High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - Final Out: Schwarber Grand Slam Caps Off Comeback

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

The Philadelphia Phillies came back from 4-0 on Wednesday night to even the series against the Astros. Jack Fritz and Tucker Bagley react to Kyle Schwarber's grand slam, Cristopher Sanchez's up-and-down start and Treat Turner's continued hot streak.Presented by Miller Lite.To purchase Ring The Bell by Jack Fritz and Kevin Reavy go to RingTheBellBook.com

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The crowd is singing high hope. I feel a little less warm. Welcome on in. It is another edition of the High Hope's podcast presented by Miller Light, Jack Fritz, once again alongside and joined by Tucker Bagley. Tucker, how are we doing, Val? Much better than last night. Much, as you said, much more joyous occasion to get together tonight and talk some Phil's baseball.

Yeah, and listen, I did taxi early. When they went down, I was like, eh, you sure? You sure you want to do this? Because I felt a big old negative podcast happening. But they fought back. They came back. Ended up not being a laffer, but you could kind of kick your feet up a little bit. And Tucker, the thing that really hit me tonight,

and it's really been kind of the theme here, really since a rise of addition because they have been a different team. Now they've gone through fits and spurts of good offensive performance. When they were facing worse pitching staffs, they look like world beaters in offense. They're walking all the time, a lot of ducks in the pond. And then teams said, hey, we're not going to just let, we're not going to just walk you the entire time. You're going to have to beat us with your bats eventually. The Phillies have to adjust back to that.

But overall, the one thing that I do feel about this team and have sensed about this team. And one of the things that genuinely makes me proud of this group is, is there has been a different level of fight within games that I don't totally remember during many periods of this version of this team over the last four years and, or even five years. And like last night stunk because that was the game you could have stolen. The whole Brave series was a back and forth affair that really could have gone either way. but to come back tonight against Hunter Brown, who is really good, is he a top 10 starter in baseball?

Maybe not, but he's in that 10 to 15 range. He's a really, really good pitcher. A night where Sanchez doesn't have it will get into that. I was impressed and I was proud of how this team fought again and how really Tucker they have continued to fight really since a rise has gotten here. and they kind of knew it was go time in the season. Yeah, I mean, they still have those games where you can tell early on, they just don't have it and they don't have it, have it in them.

But those games have become fewer and much more far between. And yeah, you look at what they did tonight where they fought back against Hunter Brown. Like Sanchez gives up four in the top of the third and you kind of feel like, ooh, that wasn't great. That's not ideal. Don't want to see, don't see Sanchez getting blown up like that. But they fight back. And it wasn't like a huge home run.

they battle, they strung together hits, they tied it up. And then he immediately gives up the tour and home run, you think like, well, it kind of feels like last night. Like you get close, but you, but you are unable to really push it over the line. You scrape one out in the fifth. And then you just explode in the sixth inning and really put it out of reach with, you know, the Shorebrook Grand Slam being the exclamation point. And you're right.

And I don't know if the desperation from the, the poor start to the season where they've really had to fight in early for six or seven weeks. They had a scratch and claw their way to every win possible because they didn't really have the margin for error that they have in years past when they've gotten off to worse starts. But yeah, you look what they've done. And, you know, there's a path in the postseason where you can say, hey, if they fall down two nothing, three nothing early in a game, you aren't necessarily counting them out

because they are putting together good at bats. They are walking. They are, you know, digging deep. They're getting into bullpents earlier. they're killing bullpens again, which is something that they did in years prior as well. And, yeah, I mean,

the way they fall back tonight against an Astros team who really, you know, after two and a half innings, you thought we're going to coast to a second straight win, and maybe you turn the page to, wow, I hope they can at least salvage the game tomorrow afternoon. You're now going into a rubber match

after, you know, really seizing momentum. Yeah, and it seems like we're getting a bullpen game from the Astros tomorrow. So, you know, you feel like you're in a pretty good spot heading into that.

I had no idea that Emi is like their mop-up guy now. You know, I mean, he was such a target for them this offseason, someone that they were begging to get. And that seems like a little bit of a bullet dodge. Maybe he kind of gets his bearings and he'll end up being okay. It was jarring seeing him come in the eighth inning in the game where they were already down by a ton. It was also jarring and also put a little smile on my face, seeing Danielle De Los Santos.

I didn't know he was still pitching. He's turned into a very serviceable, not great. We'll pitch in the big leagues for like 10 years kind of guy. Eniel. And do you remember the trade in which the Phillies acquired? Any of the Al-Dela-Santos? I do not remember the Enload de I Los Santos trade. Really? Come on, man.

One of the happiest days of my life. And because it felt like a win over every old beat reporter in this town, it was Freddie Galvas for Eniel de Los Santos all the way back in the day. People forget Freddie Galvis played Gold Glove defense. He did and Pete McCannan batted him second

for an entire season. He couldn't hit. Anyway, anyway. So it was a... I remember they brought him back in 21 and then they didn't let him play shortstop. I know. He played what third, I think?

Yeah, I mean he to wait third, which he was so fat by then. Like he was never skinny, but he was so fat by then. Yeah. I like, when he came back, I was very happy for, Freddie. I believe that we did a bit on the afternoon show of should we give him a standing

ovation. Probably the only standing ovation bit you've ever done. Easily. And the most notable. Certainly the most notable. But yeah. So they go down, they fight back against Hunter Brown. They blow it immediately and then just slowly start chipping away. And I think what was so encouraging and, I guess what made me happiest tonight with what was, with what they did on offense was it wasn't just the long ball. You know, obviously Schwabre hit the big one. That was great. And, you know, Turner hit one again, which is good to see.

They need Trey to get going. And I've, he's had two spurts this season that have kind of saved his overall numbers. That timeout in San Diego where he hit the back-to-back games with 470 foot home runs or whatever. And then like the two-week stretch he had in the middle of the summer. And then maybe whatever is happening now. now he is just for he's batting second in the lineup he cannot be a black hole they need him to get going he i i don't even i don't want to get ahead of myself from the standpoint of like oh here comes like last year's tray i just want to like close my eyes and and hope that that here

comes this tray run it's been good the last couple of games for sure i certainly hit the ball much much harder but i mean you look at the the inning they scored four i mean talk they executed two hit and runs. Two hit and runs in one inning. This baseball team, where last night we mocked them, said they can't do any of the little things well. And like whenever they do one little thing well,

it is like you're firing off emergency alerts because they did something that's been around for 120 years in the game of baseball. So they scored in other ways besides just waiting around for Kyle Schwarper or Bryce Arbor to Bobmore. No, and they did wait around and they did get a Bryce or a college for a home run. Harper had a two RBI single.

But yeah, I mean, the thing that this team had did tonight that they haven't really in the last four or five games on the offensive struggles, they got hits with runners and scoring position, right? I think there are six for six for 15 with runners and scoring position tonight. They're two for nine last night. I think they're like four for 24 in the Brave series. I believe they were five for the last 37 heading into the fourth inning. Yeah, so not great. Not idea.

Like you're not going to score a lot of runs if you're five for 37. And I'm sure a couple of those five hits were Louisa Rice bloopers over the second basement that probably couldn't score a run. So yeah, I mean, just what they did, it's what we saw them do in August when the offense was good, right? Like get on base, get a single, pass the baton, move on, and everyone contributed. And when they do that, you can just see sort of how deep their lineup gets. So when you have guys like Dela Cruz, who had another decent night, Sosa had a pinch it RBI.

I mean, they're a team and a walk. They're a team offensively that they do have depth. It may be inconsistent. You don't see it every night. But one through nine, if they're on their game, they have a shot to really have some depth where in a game where, you know, if Shorebur doesn't hit a grand slam or if Harper doesn't hit two or three doubles, you have. have a chance to still put up some runs, especially if trace hitting. I mean, that's the thing you kind of dreamed upon when this offense was rolling in August of, okay, you start to see the depth here.

You start to see the depth. Tucker, one of the most frustrating things that I hear a lot of Phillies fans say, tweet, tell me in person, whatever, is Kyle Schuber only hits meaningless home runs when they're up by a couple or down by a couple. And there was some staff the other night that Franke threw out that like he has the most home runs in baseball where they're down by one, up by one, or tied since becoming a Philly. I think he's got 109. And tonight obviously is, is 110 of whatever stat Fransky threw out there.

So dynamite research as always here on the high house podcast. I just think Kyle Schorber hits a lot of home runs. He hits a lot of meaningless home runs, but he just hits a lot of home runs. He is at 44 home runs. Like, yeah, some of them are going to happen when you're up by a ton or down by a ton. But his idea that he is just like a blowout merchant is so freaking annoying. And I know people do it. And it's just not true.

He is a huge home run against the Braves and a huge home run tonight. And like countless home runs throughout the season. He has plenty of meaningful and big home runs. He hits a lot of home runs. Some of them aren't going to be the most meaningful in the world. Shocking. But my goodness, he basically went down and one-armed a ball for a moonshot home run. I think Ben said it late.

It's like the bat is so quick, so fast, and so effortless. It is a rare combo. of all three of those things. What a player? What Kyle Schrober home run do you prefer? The one tonight where it's like an effortless one arm swing and it goes to the upper deck or where he just absolutely turns on one and hits a bullet. Because they're both beautiful in their own way.

The one that he hit off of Fuentes on Monday was like that's that Schwarby. That is Schwabby. Put a barrel on a bullet as as Roob said. I like those ones. appreciate the one arm ones. They're very cool. But the ones that he just like catches flush. He's the most, uh,

like watching him hit a home run is the most like, PGA tour guy off the tee of any baseball player. I can remember besides like the one home run that stairs it. Yeah. It just he does, if he hits a home run, even on a night like tonight where he knew the, the sweeper was coming. He wasn't fooled by it,

but he still goes down and gets it with one hand. like it still goes 400 feet. You know, he doesn't miss it home runs. He doesn't hit cheap shots. If he hits a wall scrape, just because he hit it like 400 feet in the air and it's just coming down at that point. But yeah, I mean,

watching him, it's just he swats home runs. He doesn't necessarily hit home runs. Like, yes, the balance he has at the end of his swings, I just think is phenomenal. And watching him hit is just a joy. Like, he strikes out a lot when he's not going good. It is tough to watch, but on nights like tonight and weeks like this week where he's really heating up, I don't know if there's anyone more enjoyable to watch. Just make contact.

And what did I say? He was going to go on a run the second I was eliminated from the fantasy baseball playoffs. There was never a doubt that he was going to go crazy. And he's doing that. And I am very glad that this kind of run is happening for Schwabber because I was starting to get a little worried about. about the back, like he had been dealing with it heading into the All-Star break. He performed insanely well in the home run derby. That was great. But I care more about the Phillies than I do putting on a show in the home run derby. So you had, you had, you had the back thing that I was kind of worried about. I was worried about the lead-off thing a little bit because his OPS and the lead-off spot is not that great compared to having Bryce Harper hitting behind him. And then, I don't know, like the, I had this like fear of like the, remember in, what was it, June or May,

they, they got rid of all the AI stuff on the iPads. Yeah. Remember? Yes. And I was like, was there something going on there where they like had tells in the pictures and like, that's why these guys were off to such crazy, crazy starts and, you know, Schwerver's been on such an insane run. But him getting back to what is that four home runs in five games. He's got, I think,

five home runs in his last seven games. It is very refreshing and much needed at a key time for this team as they are trying to chase down the Braves and chase down the Cubs. Now, Cubs are

they're down eight, one in the seventh. So, Braves already lost. And the Braves already lost. That brings it to three? Yes. Yeah, because the Braves lost last night, too. Yeah.

So that brings it to three as we were still chasing them down. And if they beat the Cubs, they would be ahead now, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So things working out. It was a huge comeback by the Cubs last night or by the Brewers last night.

Down to like their final strike, Chorio hits a home run, and then they walk it off and an extra. So things. are breaking the Phillies way. Now, as it is a joyous night, a happy night. A real clunker for Chris Sanchez, real clunker. And a lot of hard contact. He only had six whiffs on the night, which feels insane. Command off.

I'm going to have to go back and watch the first two innings of it because I was trying to get the boys asleep. wasn't going well, but I was in the car and doing the old steering wheel swat as Altuve who got a got a hit, which by the way, I like Justin Crawford. I do. My goodness, he cannot read a baseball. No, he struggles. He struggles out there. Oh, my goodness. Oh, just, just the tough one watching him play center. field, but, you know, Sanchez did settle in, I guess, if you want to, you know, look at the silver lining to what was a.

I think you retired the last seven in a row. Oh, yeah. Well, listen, he already allowed six. So great. Got the win. He did get the win. His 17th win of the year. So he should have got his 17th his last time out.

He did not. But he gets 17 tonight in a game that he was not very good in. And it was kind of the biggest fear of like all these recent. Sanchez starts where he would get through it, but never felt right, a lot of base hits, a lot of traffic on the base paths, and he would pitch his way around it and navigate it well enough. But you just had this fear that one of these nights that the dam was going to break,

and, you know, at least tonight for the Astros, the damn broke. And, you know, maybe they have some tell on both him and Painter because, I mean, those guys have been pretty money. Sanchez has been fine. He hasn't been as like Sanchez dominant, but he's been perfectly fine. Pretty jarring watching those two

getting shelled and back-to-back games against his Astros team. Yeah, I feel like it's been more quality pitching, the dominant pitching for Sanchez, probably the last little bit. Like he, like you said, he's been fine, he's been good. I think he struggles being compared to someone like Jesus Lazzardo, who might be the most dominant pitcher

in baseball for the last month. or so. And it kind of sucks when you have to pitch two days after, after him and, and, you know, have that, that comparison. But, yeah, I mean, he allowed 10 hits. He only had three strikeouts. The hits were hit hard. The, the home runs were, were, were no doubters. And yeah, you do wonder if, one, they had to tell or two, you know, kind of what he's going to look like when things tighten up in the postseason. Because it's great as he was in the regular season last year. And he was good in, you know, the start against the Dodgers. But he wasn't great. It wasn't awesome.

What, five and two-thirds, six-and-two-thirds? Couldn't get out of that. The big hit to Kikeke. Yeah. And just, you know, kind of couldn't shut it down. Couldn't get to that next level to really finish it off with an exclamation point. And, yeah, you kind of wonder, is that who he is? Where he's a guy who come playoff time or come these big moments.

He could be good. He could be great, but he's not a guy that, you know, like, like Wheeler or, you know, someone like that who has the reputation of being just lights out in the postseason or in big moments. Yeah, I do have a big fear of Sanchez in the postseason. And it really comes down to, I think they're going to put him into a bigger game that I think he should be pitching. If that makes any sense, like I think he's probably going to start a game he shouldn't.

And that feels like maybe even a game one. Like he might be starting game one over, over Lazzardo, which I think at this point would be malpractice by this organization. I think Lazzardo should be the game one starter. I think he's earned the game one start. I think outside of, yes, I know, this sounds insane. Outside of the 50 and two-thirds scoreless, which Sanchez did do this year, I think he's just been, I think he's been better than good. Better than good, but not great. I think he's been in the middle of that kind of tier.

We know what great is. I think Lozardo, for a more majority of this season, has been better than him. And obviously, Wheeler has a really tough stretch, and we'll see how he kind of ends the season. But I just have this fear they're going to put San, or put, yeah, put Sanchez into a game where they're going to base it off of the entire year

and most of being propped up by the 50, two-thirds scoreless, whereas that should be a game started by someone else. And it's going to be like it's been the last two months, which is a lot of base runners. And you're just kind of hoping and praying that the levies don't break and you're down for nothing in the third. Because it's felt like it's been teetering on that in so many of these Sanchez starts. And tonight, it backfired. Man, I, you hope it's not fatigue of the last year, year and a half of pitching a ton of innings more than he's ever done in his career.

But man, I just, I don't have this feeling of confidence in my gut whenever Chris Sanchez takes them out. And that's a scary spot to be in. He generated six whiffs tonight. Like how many times in the last year and a half have you. exited a game with him allowing like six whiffs with the fastball change-up combo and where his sliders turned into, it is, uh, it's, it's, it's concerning. And, and hopefully the rest of the season can kind of figure it out. Yeah, you hope so. And, you know, it's funny because you talk about him and, like,

he has a 265 ERA in the postseason in the last two years, which is pretty fantastic. Most people would sign up for it. But just feels like there's always a, lot of traffic on the base pass. Like you said, it's kind of, he gets out of it and, you know, he kind of guts his way through it. It's never an easy six innings. It's never an easy seven innings. He's never cruising to the point where, you know, he's through seven and it's a question of can he go out for the eighth? Are we going to bring in, you know, the setup guy, whether it's Bull and McFarland, Alvarado, whoever. And for a team like this, where you do have those questions in the bullpen, can you go into a game one knowing that, hey, this guy could be really good. He

could throw seven shutout, but there's also a chance that we could be in our bullpen in the fourth inning. And, you know, we might really have to burn these guys. And we'll see what happens. A lot of just gutsy performances rather than just, which I respect to gutsy performance, but every once in a while, you want an easy night out. Yeah. Yeah. Just like, you know, give me seven shoty and like 85 pitches or whatever. That, that's what I want. Be clean. Be clean. efficient, all that good stuff. So that is Sanche. Some other things that

kind of suck out for me to tonight, Tucker, pretty aggressive move by Don pulling Marsh in the sixth. You know, I mean, by that point, he's going to have another at bat. You can't guarantee that's going to be against

you know, against the lefty for wherever you bring in. It's probably going to be a righty. But it kind of goes to show where the org and where, Don is specifically right now with Brandon Marsh and where is that with Brian Dela Cruz. Yeah. And Edmundo Sosa, I mean, I think something we've talked about in the last couple weeks, one of the strengths of this team right now is the bench, which I don't think you've been

able to say that in a very, very, very long time. But guys like Sosa, Derek Hill, Brian Dela Cruz, I mean, I think him being aggressive and him getting those guys at bats and situations that are more advantageous to them than Brandon Marsh, like you said, it does say something about Brandon Marsh. You did get another hit tonight. So maybe he's starting to peek out of his slump a little bit. But yeah, at this point,

if you have three hitters on the bench who are putting together quality at bats night after night, it's a really nice problem to have where you can get these guys in early and kind of mix it match down the stretch against teams, team's bullpens. Yeah, it was at Muno, not Brian Lillacruz.

Brian LaCruz started, of course. So, yes, but Edmundo, getting him back in there in a big spot after kind of not coming through in the Braves game when you felt like it might have been another at Bundo moment. And, you know, getting him right back on the horse after the not hustling out of the box last night, which I feel like Mundo took a little personally. I appreciate his pregame availability, took ownership of it. Emundo is an unbelievable guy, an unbelievable teammate. I think he feels bad about that. And who's going to see him get him right back out there and into a semi-big spot?

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But the velocity got back up there. And I don't know. But it was, he did allow. a run, which was annoying. It wasn't a home run, but he did allow a run. Yeah, I mean, he was fine. And when he allowed the run, I was like, yeah, it's okay. It's a five run lead. It's not a four run lead. But this has kind of been a consistent thing with him, where he hasn't been the guy we saw earlier in the season. And you're also one pitch away from it being a two run game at one point. So it's fine. It's okay. Maybe he didn't have the juices flowing at that

that point, but yeah, he's not a guy that I'd necessarily give the full benefit of the doubt to. No, probably not, probably not. But he's also super, super important, as is Alex McFarland, who got back in there tonight and looked like Alex McFarland. Now, not the most high leverage spot. Totally understand that. But at least from the standpoint of, hey, he didn't fold again. He didn't go out there and look shaken after what happened with with acunia and you know the staff at stark had that um that that gal put in his article about how that was the first time in 16 years that a right-handed hitter has pulled a home run of a hundred plus 100 plus miles an hour feels first off it feels impossible given how everyone throws a hundred now and no one's turned a lot of opportunities

tons of opportunities so i mean maybe they showed him that set and said, hey, like, few and far between that this has happened. You know, stick with it, kid. But it was good to see McFarland bounce back and, and certainly looked like the guy that we had hoped and dreamed upon for the last, you know, three weeks. Yeah, I mean, you just hope that. And I think his makeup and, you know, his confidence level,

it's good to see that it wasn't shaken. And unlike some other guys in that bullpen, he seems to have the makeup of a guy who can go out and get high leverage innings at some point in this career. Maybe sooner than later, but I think he's kind of on that path. Yeah, I mean,

he screams like he's going to be this team's eighth inning guy. Whether it's this year, whether it's next year, when they eventually extend Duran. I don't think they're going to let Duran go. If you can go... Would you rather extend Duran or Marsh?

Yeah, we're back, Tucker. We're back to that one. I would love to know his numbers since you tweeted out his 5-100 idea for Brandon. Oh, it's pretty terrible. I've had multiple people in the last like 48 hours find that tweet and respond to it. It's still

going out there. Nice. Nice. But he screams a eighth inning guy and then once Aron, you know, moves on or whatever and you know, was that? I mean, he's up after next year. You give him at least a three year deal.

And then, you know, he eventually passes Babobon and we celebrate in the streets. But They shouldn't give them a yearly contract. They should give them a contract just for saves. You get 110 saves and you can move on. And they should give them a, at the end of that contract, just like Papal Bond did. They should make the last thing, 59 cents, just like that bond won 58 cents at the end of this, at the end of his contract.

What a character. One of one. It actually reminds me of, like, it's old school. It's old school to have like a set up guy like McFarrow. into, you know, Duran. But, I mean, the Brewers did it there with,

you know, Devin Williams and Hayter, the, the Royals back in the day, when they had Calvin Herrera and Wade Davis. Wade Davis. Pretty monstrous.

That's what Madsen in that bullpen. That bullpen was sick back in the day. No Ryan Madsen's third all-time in postseason appearances? I mean, dude, he only pitched in the postseason from 08 until maybe he retired. He was on what?

he was on the Phillies and then he was on some good A's teams he was on those royals teams he was a dodger he was like he was a national for a couple years he's a nat at one point like he was never a cub during that period he was never a met during that period but man it felt like he was I think he has like 60 postseason appearances yeah Rivera's got like 150 I think jansen just passed him and then Manson and then Mad Dog. It's not the same thing, but it does remind me of, like, remember when Blanton turned into a lever for the Dodgers in, like, 2016,

and it got super skinny? The only Phillies, like, hung around for a weird moment of time. Forever. I mean, Chuch was a mariner. Like, Chuch hung around enough to be a mariner and a Dodger. Remember J-Roll went to spring training with the White Sox? Well, he made the team. I mean, he went to spring training with the Giants.

He went to with the Giants, yes. He made the team with the White Sox. then went hung out with the Giants for a little bit. They hung around for a while. I mean, I don't know if it's still the case, but at one point, Ryan Howard's baseball reference page was him in a Rockies hat because he went into spring training with the Rockies, which was, which was tough to see. But yeah.

They switched it back. But if you hover over his face, it shows the Rockies, the Rockies hat. That's good. That's good. We're going to make sure we keep our guy in Philly. But yeah, no, they hung around for a while. They hung around for a while. helps a lot of other teams win championships.

Well, Tucker, that's two straight post-game pods for us. Did we reach our 10 minute in the third quarter? Maybe. AJ Brown got hurt, so there was a bit of a delay there. Don't love that. Oh, listen, 929 the 3rd, not bad. Perfect timing. Go watch the end of that.

All right. There will actually be a post-game high hopes tomorrow with Seltzer. So tomorrow is a, Tomorrow's a big day in the Fritz household as is Walker's first official day of preschool. So that's going to be a fun one. And then starts on a Thursday? Well, so Tuesday was the sneak peak day or something where we, it was basically just bring the parents through and let them know everything that was going on. I really felt old.

Just felt like this is something that my parents did it, you know, and now I'm doing the same thing. So I'm not in my 40s and 32 doing it. so I really really felt super old but but yeah so that's going to be that's going to be fun and then we're doing a pod and we're going to do a nice little post game pod

so looking forward to that but for Tucker Backley and Jack Fritz this has been another edition of the high-o's podcast