High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - More like Sh*ti Field amirite?

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

James Seltzer and Jack Fritz recap a disastrous series at Citi Field as the Phillies lead in the NL East is down to four following a sweep by the Mets. Presented by Miller Lite To purchase Ring The Bell by Jack Fritz and Kevin Reavy go to ⁠⁠RingTheBellBook.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I screwed it up, just like the Phillies freaking screwed it up, Fritzie. A week and a half ago, we're sitting here. We're bird and boats. Oh. The best series of the freaking season, 46 runs. Everyone's striking everyone out. he was just magic and then we get the worst series of the season what a house of freaking horrors like honestly jack i like i don't want to play there in the playoffs like

they can come here that's fine i don't want to go there i'd rather go to l.A how crazy is that how insane is that i would rather play the dodgers in l.a than play the metts in new york what the hell man yeah because they're cheating there's simply no other way to explain the nonsense that goes on up there. Spike would be so proud of you right now. Spike would be so proud. Thank you. Thank you. It's pretty ridiculous, in my opinion. All of a sudden, they've been

horrible with runners in scoring position all season. Now they're hitting $5.50 for a series. Come on, man. John DeRond, four hits for the first time in his career without recording it and out. They're on every single pitch. Chris Sanchez, all of a sudden, they're not chasing anything.

They're totally in the zone. I mean, they must have something on the Phillies pitchers. And yeah, obviously a lot of tongue and cheek. But I do think, I think they legitimately do have something on a lot of these Phillies pitchers. And that's something they got to correct. I don't know if that's gotten into their head, but that ballpark is the worst. And I don't, I don't look forward to playing there. They may never win there again. But overall, with a lot of time to think about it, because that one, was over early yesterday just you're on to the braves you're good we're on to Atlanta

we're on to Atlanta is a minor pit stop you know I guess the boats right we dropped anchor for for a little bit you know we're just going to take it down a notch but there's there's real concern I think some some real concerns with them but I just I guess I said this overall trust that they're going to not to use another ship reference but right the ship okay like i just i they've played too good of baseball against enough good teams for me to freak out because in six games at city field this year they've played like dog crap now if they play in the postseason and and they lay down again and by the way it's the met's seem like they cannot wait to play the fillies which is incredibly annoying like they they they they can't wait to get the hell out

of New York. When it was, when it was four and off or after the Vianto's home run, they could not.

Oh, they were as cooked as you could be. They could not get out of a city field fast enough. But I just,

man, obviously we circled this series. We were excited for this series. It was a one where you wanted them to go up

and meet the moment. They didn't even come close. I mean, game two was, was, was the, a fighting chance.

But they just, they just, suck up there. They just, they just suck in that stadium. And that's the pod. So, yeah, that's the pod. We're good. We'll talk to you guys next week. He's for some Seltzer. I, um, I, um, I, so I agree with a lot of what you said. There are parts of it I don't agree with. I do agree. I agree with the general feeling of I am not overreact in this series. Like, I hate it. I think there's a lot of people today who are saying that right there is why they're not going to win the World Series. We saw it. They can't be the Mets. They always do

this in big spots they're a team that doesn't meet the moment like i don't think that's true i whether it's cheating whether it's uh uh having something on the pitchers whether it's most likely i think what i think is is probably the big like i think the phillies just go there and they they just they think they're going to lose like i think they walk into that building and they expect the worst and you're not going to play well most times especially in a sport like baseball that's all about confidence and all about seeing the ball and you know you're going to fail anyway if you're going and expecting to fail like that's bad so I like I don't I don't I think it's about that building and just the Phillies playing in that building and their vibes and all that I for me it's not

as much that like I'm not overreacting to it because I think the Phillies are really good like I do I think they're good they've had a good season for the most part they played well they've beaten good teams even though they lost the Mets whatever I just think it's more that like I I don't think there's a truly great team in baseball right now. I mean, the Dodgers, I think, have the highest upside as a team. But I just think it, like, you know, it's kind of what we, you know, have talked about all year on and off and started the year. Like, it just, this series reminded me that, you know what,

it's really just going to matter if they hit in October. Like, that's it. Yeah. It's it. And they can. They can in October. They might not. We know that they, we've seen them not hit.

But like, it really, I know it's dumb. And it's like, there's not much analysis to it. I really do think, like, they're going to be in the playoffs. If they hit in October, they got a real chance to win, or it could look like that. Like that, I, it's simple, but I just, I don't think that, I think that people are overreacting, Jack, taking this series and saying, like, because this is all I heard today. You know, all I heard was, they can't win the World Series. We just saw why. That was a big moment against a team that they have to show up against, and they didn't.

And I just don't think that's the case. I think it's that that building just is a house of ours, and it is what it is. Yeah, I think the one of the disappointing things from it is, you know, and this is very, it's like it's such a blanket statement because this, we love good blanket statements. Oh, yeah. Well, and again, I could be using blanket statement completely wrong. That is on the table. So, and, and, you know, we romanticize the 07 to 11 guys, right?

Believe it or not, they had losing streaks. They had down periods. They weren't, you know, they weren't unbelievable all the time. Yes, yes. But the one thing I do feel is like there's no way Utley and Rollins and Howard would let that happen over and over and over again up in New York. Like, I wish I felt better about them taking that personally. And I think in game two they did. I thought they showed up in game two.

I thought they were actually, the funny part is that I thought they're actually trying to do a little. bit too much you know best of Wilson diving for a ball you had no chance of getting to price which when he gets it if he gets it but if he gets it they're like all there he is trying to do something i know he's trying to get in scoring position but it was unnecessary in that spot like there was no reason to run there and you know i think they played with a sense of desperation in that game yesterday they kind of just checked out once once once it was five nothing um or six nothing but yeah i just that's the thing that i i do think about with them is that there They're so, they're so, eh, you know, everything's going to be okay.

Just a bad series and let's get back to the bank and everything will be fine. I wish I felt as if that they took a lot of this personally and they were going to come out and take it to a team. That's the one thing about them that has been kind of annoying or less. It's disappointing too, yeah. It feels like they're always the reactionary ones rather than like taking it to a team. and maybe because that's how they're they're built um but man i just it's really hard and i i've said a couple times like in this city in a mocking tone but like in this city for for a team that is our closest rival and a team that we hate and that took you out in the

postseason last year to to have this feeling that they are just our daddies in a way like Pedro back in 2003 that that sucks that really really sucks now here is some some some some painting in a positive way okay salzer how about this because as we do this podcast we paint things in positive direction oh yeah yeah yeah this is exactly how it felt every time they went to truest in like 2020 2021 2020 they beat in the postseason 22 we all remember the Nick Nelson game, right? Oh, come on, man. We got Conable in the, in the, that got Joe Girardi fired.

Got Joe Gerrari fired after he took Kenley Johnson. Ruling the Harper Homer. I'll never get over it. Yeah, one of the worst, one of the worst moments of all time. But it did lead to Gerardy getting fired. So it wasn't that bad of it. I heard Gerardi on a call the other day. He's doing Yankees games with Kay.

And I wanted, I wanted to bring everyone in, Rick Cone and O'Neill. And it's just like all the. those guys do games. It's like, could you pick a guy? Dude, I wanted to punch my TV all over again. I wanted to punch it again. I was like, I can't even hear his voice. He makes me so mad. Anyway, but the, so, yeah, so Truest Park used used to be just like this. Now, here's a negative one. Here's a negative one. They've sucked at Oracle Park for as long as I'd been alive out in San Francisco. Literally, literally. Even the heyday, like the 07 to 11 guys, they struggled out there, they out there as well. So another place,

This is a big one. 1983. You were alive for it. You remember it well. Oh, yeah. Big time. In 1983, they went one and 11 against the Dodgers in the regular season. One and 11.

And then beat him in the postseason. So, again, it's a good one to pull. I just, it sucks. It sucks having this feeling. By the way, really seemed like the entire city watched this series, given the reaction to everything. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. And Mets fans are feeling a little chesty, which I hate Chesdy. I had to watch game, too, with a buddy who's a Mets fan. I hadn't seen him, came over. I got that freaking broom emoji from him last night. I'm like, screw you, man. Like, I don't, screw you. Like, I couldn't say anything.

I couldn't say anything. I couldn't even play all. I could say it. Like, word for his place. I don't care. Like, I couldn't say anything. I feel like an ass. Hate it.

Hate it. Now, two things that are concerning, though, James. From a standpoint of like, did they just? just wake up the Mets. Didn't love, didn't love them rolling out, the fans rolling out, the big microphone thing, making fun of foam. And honestly, like, if Phillies fans had, if the situation reversed, we would have been like, those guys are geniuses. That's hilarious. He deserves it.

Like, great job, Phillies fans. You crushed it. Like, good job, Mets fans. Like, they owned us. Like, they probably, like, and it's deserved. Like, that was, I mean, anyone but boom, anyone but boom. Like, why was he the one that had to complain and create this nonsense? And it was, like, a 15 minute delay.

Like, it was, it was boom. It had to be bone. It couldn't be anyone else. It had to be that guy who, of course, he's complaining about a freaking thing in center field. Of course. Of course. And if he's the one that woke up the Mets, then there's going to be a problem. Like, I just, oh, my goodness.

Didn't they say the thing had been there since, like, 2018 or something like that, too? That was one camera angle where it did look like there was a glare. Like, we will say that. But at the same time, the Mets are facing it left through the entire night and didn't complain about it once. Like, Bomer, you've grown it into $10,000 plays in your Philly's tenure. It's not because of a thing in center field. It is so funny, too.

You could have, if you could ask every Phillies fan, guess which player will do this thing, like a hundred percent was it, boom. It's always going to be Bome. Can I maybe Bome? He's got it. And then if I was a Mets player and I was looking for something, some kind of motivation to rally the troops and bring everyone together. Harper.

I would just put a photo of Bryce Harper wearing Mets gear in the rivalry pack trying to taunt us and be like, really? Bryce usually has a great feel for the fan base and usually has a great feel for like what looks cool, what doesn't look cool, the rivalry pack. is about as big of a swing and a miss that we've seen from old. Well, it turned out to be one. I, so I didn't have a problem with it. I know everyone was so mad about it.

Like, if he hits two home runs in that game, we're like, this is the coolest thing that a Philly athlete has ever done. We're like the showman and all that stuff. So like, I get it. Look, I think he took a risk and it didn't work out because he didn't play well. And he deserves to get crushed for it because that's what he knew. I think he knew if he didn't play well if they lost.

that there was the risk there. But I like it, man. Sports are supposed to be fun. Like, I want freaking Lane Johnson to walk out with two Lombardi trophies to the 50-yard line before they play the Cowboys. Just be like, look at this. Hey, you like that? You haven't seen that in a while.

Like, I love that kind of stuff. Like, I get it. And I get why people are mad. And I get that, like, he didn't play well. And thus, he looks like a doofus. And that's all true. But, like, I'm not going to come in and say that when I saw it in the first place, I had a problem with it because I didn't.

I just didn't. Well, so I am. one that i think people have probably known this about me i get nervous for people i care about and oh very very yeah very yeah it's like i can say you've got so many children out there metaphorical children yes yes i i do not have a bunch of you do have a couple real children but yes yes yes but there's not a lot of little fritzes running around but the yeah but the um like you know very protective of guys so when i saw him go out there and that and i was all i thought about was like you better hit a home run and they better win because you're going to get crushed because

you're right like in one instance if he does that maybe it's a spark maybe it's like jrallons so if jrallons we're the team to beat man like we're the team to beat and if he goes out doesn't win MVP they get smoked in the division that people are like wow j-roll why would you do that put a target on your back that's ridiculous so On one hand, but also, like, J. Roll was doing that because he believed it. Yeah. This was to sell Harper 10s. You know what I mean?

Like, do they, see, if it was for, to make money, that's a problem. Like, well, it's for the Harper 10 collection. That's what it is. So is that what it's for. Yeah. I don't, don't love that as much. That part of it is less good. I'll say that's less good.

It's less good. I like the concept of it, though. Like, again, I'm more rivalries. Like, we've talked about so many times. Like, we've talked about WIP all the time about, like, the rivalries. in sports like there isn't that same level of hate there isn't that same level of venom and we miss that like that's awesome that's part of no one says dallas sucks anymore you're keeping that alive bow Dallas talks man they suck so much like that's what I'm trying to say you know

I need the Mets to freaking suck too you know you still got this sports hey he's still got it though I grew up with it like it matters to me like and I I want that I so I I don't love the Harper 10 part you've swung me I didn't know that that part that is that's he just he didn't just do it just to do it i mean that i thought he did it because it was a fun thing to do like no no no no no no okay hand out guys guys i like to apologize to the listening audience changes my take just a little bit yeah can i get one more one more like boomer uh old take that's because you that's the funny thing yeah i'm the old guy on the pod you are much more of the boomer than i am so go ahead and i know he had a great series in the home run uh game two was a moment

later. Ah, what a, what a moment. What a moment. It felt like a real moment. It did. It felt like it was like, I literally, Jack, it's been a little while since I threw both my arms up in the air in a Phillies moment. Like, I went like, in the Graham was watching with my Mets buddies. I was like, but I literally was like, it was like, it went nuts. It was awesome. It was a big moment. I, so Jill's still down the shore with the boys.

And I was, I'm at the house. We don't have any couches inside. So I have to watch every game outside. And I was, you know, in the in the borough i feel like i had to be a little bit quiet couldn't like freak out you know because we're the houses are on top of each other i was like freaking out yeah no i can i could tell no one could hear me it was wild i was like wow we can really spread our wings back here yeah we could be as loud as we want no one's gonna hear anything but like all right it was a great play i didn't love the him in lindore laughing at each other like ha ha ha like you got me like

Yeah, not that's my other, my other boomer day is like, I want you to be a killer. I agree with this. And I think, I think Bader, Bader to his credit, I, of all the one, the one thing we have to say, he did play on that team last year. Like he, like, I know, but now they're the enemy. And I agree. I agree. I'm, I agree, full stop. Mm-hmm. He might be really tight with Linder. Like, who knows? I got, you know what I mean? I'm just, but I agree. Like, full stop, I agree.

Ultimately, I understand. It's not that big of a deal. I was in an emotional state as they're about to get swept. And he's smiling playing patty cake with Lendora because he threw him out at second base. Well, let me ask you a question because you kind of hit on it before. And I do and I want to put Topper and then like Harper Schwerber together in this from both levels of leadership. Because you kind of alluded to that before saying like what upsets you is that Jimmy and Chase and Ryan would have never let this happen. and that is in a way a shot at Bryce and Chorber and the leadership on this team. And you were talking before about the mentality of, you know, just a series.

I mean, that's Rob Thompson to a T. And I know that he has to say what he has to say. The media is going to defend his guys. But like, that is really, I believe how he looks at things. I believe Rob Thompson looks at that series. It's like, you know what? No big deal. It's just another series in a season and a regular season.

Are you worried about that messaging? And are you worried about the guys at the top, like leading this thing right? I do. I'm very curious as to what would ever cause Rob Thompson to panic. Does Rob Thompson in traffic ever get annoyed? Or is he just like, dude, I'm wondering if Rob Thompson in a burning building, like the walls are burning down next, he's like that this is fine me. He's like the real, real life like representation of, he's sitting in a burning building all right. I was like, yeah, you know, everything's fine. I would love to know if there's something that makes Rob Thompson mad.

Like, does there anything that he just like slams a desk? Like, damn, you know, like raise the blood pressure a little bit, Rob. So, yeah. And this is, this is obviously psychoanalyzing a three game series. Totally understand that. But this is also how they talked last year when, when things were falling apart. When things were, when they were 500 for a long stretch, it was a lot of relax.

We got it. And I just wish there was a little bit more of the kick in the ass. And hopefully behind the scenes, that's happening. And I do think a guy like Bader can be the kick in the ass kind of guy. And now that he's playing better, maybe he feels like he has a little bit more cachet. But we've talked about this team a lot. You know, you talk about the stars in the team. I think, I think Trey is a very like, mild-mannered question.

mild manner to go with the flow i think he works i think yeah no no yeah i think they all work hard but i feel like it's a lot of like individual work hard in a way and i think trace kind of just go with the flow schwarber is consistently just we're good you're good you're a good player and i think at some points that's important i think i think that's a good thing harper we can beg and plead for him to be like the the the big emotional rah rah fired up reality is is that when he's playing well, he's very, very good and very into it

and he'd like to see the fire. When he's not going very well... He's a little sulky. He kind of gets a little sulky. Yeah, you're right. JT is steadfast, do his own thing. You know, like, he's actually like Utley. I mean, I think he's like ugly

and he's not like Dutch because Dutch, you know, police the clubhouse in a way. Yeah, exactly. But I think JT's stoic. Cassianos is in outer space. Dude, I think you are nailing all of these like this is a you really good points here i agree with you and i think it it might matter

it's a really good point dude cassianos is in outer space we don't know where he is like uh and also one of the worst players in baseball it's just hard to be a leader when you're playing that bad like it just is boom no shot stop i think a quiet guy like that's when things are going like this who is someone to to to grab it by the troops yeah grab it by the stones and say we got to stop letting this happened. And I know it's putting so much on a guy that's been here for three weeks in Harrison Bader. But I think he could be that guy. Like he was with the Mets last year. He was on the 22 Yankees team that I don't barely even know what they did. But he had five home runs in that both season. The point is he's played in the playoff game in the playoffs. He's been in big games. He's

been in big spots. And he has an edge to him. Like he has a, I think the right level of, you know, don't bleep with me kind of attitude in a way and I think he could be someone that walks in tonight and says let's figure it out like this is enough of this

so like my one I guess my one fear again just to hammer at home that is such a and if he does wow it's a hard spot for a guy who's only been here a couple weeks to go into a locker of guys he doesn't know as well and doesn't have the relations with and be like

yo get your heads out of your asses like that's tough And again, this is psychoanalyzing a play late in the game. But there was a ball that Castellanos could have camped under, right? And Bader took it away from him. Yeah. But, I mean, that's- Bader took it away from him. And I like that.

Nasty was like, I did too. I noticed that. Like Bader went right in front of him. Took that ball away. Because I don't think Bader cares. I really don't. And I don't think he cares. I think he'll like, I think he is a do whatever it takes to kind of win kind of guy.

So just, yeah, it was the same guy. And I think that my, I guess my fear, because we don't know this, I don't know this, you don't know this. But my fear with the leadership with the Phillies is that it's a lot of just like do what your own, like control what you can control as you're as an individual rather than a rallying, get together, bang, here we go. And maybe, maybe Bader can be the one to have the, the tough conversations. It's a fascinating thought, and I totally agree with you. I think you nailed it. And I think that is, you know, and again, going back to the same I said before, like, they absolutely can win the World Series this year.

I mean, they are talented enough. They are set up well enough. Like, they can win the World Series. But this is one of my biggest concerns with the team adding into the playoffs. Like, we can talk about the on-field stuff and, you know, four through nine and who's going to step up and can they get by without Wheeler and all that stuff. But I think from an off-the-field person, I think this kind of leadership void and how it plays itself out when this team is struggling,

I think is a real potential Achilles for this team. Like a potential thing that could be their downfall if they can't find a way to, you know, respond in these situations, you know? Yeah, but and again, I do think they will. Like, I'd be surprised if they go out and lay down against the Braves this weekend. They have already. I mean, the Wheeler's thing, they responded to that. like we like i we said at the time like they're going to have bad series like it's just that it was

this one in new york against this team after last season that amplifies it and magnifies it but we said after that mariner series we're like hey it's not just like they're going to freaking run through the playoffs and it's you know like it's it's it's about responding again and picking yourself back up after this yeah i just i guess my one thing is like i i do feel like when the going does get tough that sometimes they have a propensile to check out. And I just, I wish there was a... Well, I hate the Evali at Chor Park's credit,

but he, with his, he said that they're a bit of a front-running team, and they are a little bit. Like, I know. I don't want to. I don't want to. No. But, like, he's so giddy, too. Like, he's so happy.

He's so happy. And that's the problem. Oh, he can't wait to tweet out because he knows I'm looking. He knows I have his notifications on. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He gets thrilled. He's so happy when they lose.

Or he'll text nothing to our, our thread. And he'll do a little, but I thought this or I was told this or whatever. whatever yeah him him and jillio i mean jillio absolutely adorable move the other day with the the division's over i mean let me just tell you if like it is rare that i think that something that like someone says in the radio like sticks in a way where like i think people will truly blame that person if it happens if the phillies lose the division i think people will truly blame jrillo like i think that moment will be forever i'm christin press and i'm tovin heath we're world cup winners and the hosts of the recap show.

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I will blame him every single day. of my life the the the the aggressive necessary it was so unnecessary no and you know and it was like oh let's see how much i can mess with jack and james in the high hope's community let's see how much that we can just screw with them no time for screwing around all right we got a freaking division to win and i got to deal with this nonsense because you want to get a cute little opinion out there i hate it hate it every second of it hated every second of it i wanted to drive to the studio from the beach and strangle i really did not today because of course you're going to get sweat after that. So many bad omens.

Bone complaining about the double play, the Harper rivalry pact, Giulio saying the division's over. How are they supposed to win that series? How are they supposed to win a game? So, I don't know. It's horrible. I hate that play so much. One other thing on Topper, before I move on from that, and I know this has been kind of a theme

with him that he's not really come out of the dugout kind of manager, like it seems. But did you have a problem with him not coming out for Lozardo at that spot when Lozardo's walking? off the field and you know you wake up this in the my legs gets tossed now i know he's getting taken out of the game but he got tossed do you like look wasn't he on the mound he's making walking off the mound yeah no was like yeah but they go talk to you're out there already my point is at no point does it feel like toper ever goes out in these situations and gets his guys backs like i don't know like if i'm lazardo wouldn't you appreciate it if topper got

up in there with you and was like kind of it just feels like he never does and i know they get tossed for it. But like maybe a toss once. I don't know. Like this is not a big complaint. This is absolutely a nitpicky thing that I am doing here. But it just feels like it's a lot of times where I feel the manager should go out and talk to an umpire in a situation for his player.

And he never does. Yeah. And it's actually one of the things that I think has happened in a lot of baseball is I feel like these guys never get tossed from games. They, they are way more like, well, maybe they are the fines. Well, I think Major League Baseball has, has, behind the scenes, I think they don't want managers arguing. They made it very clear. Like, they've set the rules up where I think you get like tossed.

If you come out to argue balls and drinks at all, right, is it automatic tossing or whatever now? Like, they've got all these rules set up, which by the way, almost curse is bleeping stupid. Like, does baseball not get one of the things that people love about their sport? Like, it's so dumb. But I just, I get that the rules are set up that way. It just feels like he never does it. No, I know. I know. And when he does, it's like, they get a standing ovation leaving the field. And it's like, what is this? I do, I will, I do appreciate a good, uh, on, you know, lip reading BS from, from, from Rob Thompson. He's got a strong BS. Like, when he says, when he says BS, he means it. He means it. It's a serious one. So yeah, I mean, I didn't feel it in the moment. I just did it. I just did it. I thought, you know, it was the compounding of them, you know, it just feel like it's never, he's never going off there. I was actually, if there was time to do it, I thought it was in the first inning when, when, when so. Poto stepped out.

Oh, that too. That was another spot. You're right, both times. And Lazardo was heated. He walked and talked to the option to come out, which by the way. He almost got. He could have got tossed, by the way. And by the way, was a hundred percent, not to argue necessary, but was 100

percent correct. Like, he was absolutely in his windup when he granted time. Like, that was, that was crazy that he got time. And so that's the one thing about the series that I did appreciate is, is I did think that there was passion. Like, I thought that there were some guys who were really into it. Zeus, skater, like, we had dudes. So there was, there was, there was, there was some of it.

It wasn't good enough. And the thing that, the thing that sucks is, is that it really does feel like it's such uphill climbing at that place. Where like, even when you get a little bit of momentum, you're waiting for the, for the other shoe to kind of drop. They were up, they were up in game one. It was like three nothing. It's like, oh, we're in game one. Yeah. Yeah.

They're up in game. They're up in game two. Yeah. I mean, like, like, like, and it, and it, I, it, and it, I was. sitting there the entire time just waiting for the shooty drop yeah it's not a fun place to be in as a fan james it's not a fun place to be in as a fan at all i freaking hate it dude i freaking hate it one more question about the series i'm going to take bag um and i don't put much in it but and again who knows with the met's in that ballpark but like you know big

spot for sanchi going in to start the series mm-hmm i mean like he's never been the ace before and i i think he's going to be fine i just think he's too good a pitcher and all that but like it is an added thing like he's the one he's getting the ball in the first game of a series in the playoffs were you at all concerned that that he didn't deal in that kind of first big spot as the one ah second big spot it did dominate the mariners you did you're right you're right you're right after after the injury so i guess that counts too you're right you're right uh yeah i mean not not really uh i thought it was surprising i guess it was a and this is where i kind of wonder about if the Mets had towels on them

and it was frustrating in the Phillies pitchers because I've never seen Sanchez react like that and you never see Lazzardo act like that where they're both kind of freaking out on the mound. So, yeah, Sanchez, Sanchez will be fine. I actually think it was more,

he just could not find a feel for his change up all night long. Which you talked about after the game. He said that. And if it's not working, he's not going to be the same pitcher, obviously. No, he's pulling his basketball all over the place. So, yeah, I just, I think it's one to monitor, right?

You know, down the stretch, like, can we trust him? But I also think he's, he doesn't, he doesn't scream to me as someone that is super phased by situations like that. So not too concerned about it, but it's definitely one to, to monitor as we head down the stretch run. All right. It's good to take back. All right. Well, listen, they got Calquantral and Brise L are the first two nights in the Brave series at home. Oh, great.

let's go do a job could we yeah like i'd almost rather be facing like chris sale and whoever he's saturday he's all right yeah i just feel like they're gonna like it's i feel like the guys who we don't expect them to hit they or we expect them to hit to just not get but i after this year real quick by way elder was the one on the mound when they won like 15 to one and that's true real quick i forgot to ask this before we moved on the nola mclean and they're bringing up jonatong today too who's yeah have you seen his numbers tomorrow tomorrow it is tomorrow yes but have you seen his numbers i mean oh jonathan sick yeah it's like 179 strikeouts like 113 innings or something you've been insane like a once on me or i forget jona tong

forget nolan mclean the painter part of it i know it's because of injury and stuff but like are you does it bother you at all just because i heard people saying i get it and like we've talked about where we're out painter you know we get it injury i'm not concerned long term in a lot but does it like bug you a little bit seeing noel mclean deal for them and knowing jonatong's coming up and he's the same age as Andrew, frigate painter. Like, does it bother you at all? Well, I definitely watching McLean. People talk about it. You know what I mean? Like, it's been

discussed. Well, watching McLean was definitely like, hey, this would be this would be fun to have a young pitcher's come up and jump. He's, he's pretty sick, man. He's nasty. I watched some of the, I watched some of actually him, he pitched against Painter

up in Syracuse early this year. And I watch a lot of it. I forget which Philly took him yard. Maybe he was Kemp. Maybe it was one of those guys and I was like, ah, maybe when it gets to the big leagues, he'll have, he'll have problems. He hasn't. It's, it's power stuff. It's

that, whatever that sweeper is, it holds him playing for a really long time. And then it, and then it shoots out. Like, it's a great pitch, man. Yep. I mean, listen, he's going to be a problem. Tong, I think Tong's to me really good.

I just, with his, his mechanics are so funky. I, I do It looks like his arm's going to fly off his body. He's like one of those, like Linsicum, like, if he reminds you, not the, not the actual windup, but like the little guy, lots of pressure on the arm. It feels like it's all arm when he's throwing. Yeah, so I wonder, but I also wonder about command with him, like, is he going to command the ball and off at the big league level, or is it going to be like five innings and four

walks? Is that a Jonah Tongue outing? So he's got pretty sick stuff, but we'll kind of see with that. McLean's, McLean really seems like the real deal. I mean, smooth mechanics, 97. power sweeper you know he that was a pretty big spot for him last night he went he went shoved city so they might have found every what six six seven years they find some six starter that's going to come up and be awesome it felt a little like early harvey last night watching him

was like this is what matt harvey was like when when mad harvey came up yeah um so yeah the going from where their starting staff was you know with minaya was was heard and montas was horrible and sanga was hurt so all of a sudden you know sanga's back i don't think he was great on on monday night but he's he's back and and pitching his way into healthy being healthy and then you have you know like there's some semblance of a staff also it's just frustrating seeing them named as the number one farm system in baseball and the Phillies were 21 which again name number one by kiley yeah i i i don't again they might be i don't think the phillies is the 21st pranked farm.

I don't think they should be. But regardless, it seems like the Mets got big a bigger dozen things with the, the farm system as well. David Serns pretty good at his job, huh? Yeah, well, but again, he's, Halsley's been horrible. Sederate Mollins is a part-time player. It was so nice, dude, I'm ripping Housley.

I know, I know. And then when they didn't score, like when Stockton didn't score, they didn't get home from third, I was like, nah. Yeah, I don't know that's not good. We should probably mention Duran real quick, too, because we were talking about something. The fact that he hasn't looked the same since he got hit, you know, obviously two out of three outings have been bad. Do you attribute anything to that? Yeah.

Well, I think it could be, the ankle, because the thing that it looks like to me is maybe he's dealing with a little bit of an inability to push off of it and get his stuff down. So I think the splinker's been up a little bit, and again, you know, when he can't finish. on it. Maybe it's not as good of a pitch and it's easier to hit. Seems like he's one of those guys where the four seamers 102, but sometimes it's a little flat and easier to square up. So, yeah.

Like, I think the healthy is very, yeah, it's a beeline. But I guess I can't get too concerned about Toronto because he's he's got what the fourth highest say percentage in the history of baseball, you know, by minimum qualified pitchers. I do.

think maybe the ankle is still affecting him, even though he said he's fine. I, maybe he's a little spooked from getting hit in the ankle. I mean, that's possible too. Yeah, you're right. If he's tenuous at all. His season and maybe another year of flash before his eyes

because maybe he had a broken foot and maybe he's a little scarred from that. I don't know. I thought I thought the national series the last game was like a bunch of bull crap pits i mean yeah no the met

straight down the line besides the the baity one which was incredibly and also i mean shout to croc called it out on the broadcast he was like why is tray standing there like what like why is he not deeper in the hole you know they they have a wide open hole there for him to shoot it through and he did i just had such a vision

of of geron going up to new york and like striking fear in every single met's fans parts of like oh bleat they have that guy at the end of games now and that did not happen which is crushing especially because because Diaz just went just dominated like credit we're due he was awesome he was awesome yeah now i do think deron's strikeout rate is not great for what his stuff is so it's only 27% or something like that right yeah like he bats find him more than you would think is the point so that could be a problem but we'll see we'll see all right back to the bag big nola start the night. Oh, come on. You've got to stop her

on the mound. A marquee game against the Braves? Come on. Whoa, we're fine. We're fine. It would be nice to get the $172 million. Not Paul Quantrell, Cal Quantrell, Cal Quantrell. Cal Cantrell. Who feels like they face four times a year.

For a guy who doesn't hasn't like pitch that long in the majors, I feel like we've faced Cal Control a hundred times already. All time. All time. All the time. Poor one out for Joe Ross. Joe Ross is no longer here. But Romano, don't you worry. Don't you worry.

He said he expects the pitch again this year. Did he really? I didn't see that. Oh, man. Come on. Get excited. The middle finger inflammation. The jokes write themselves with that.

They couldn't have said like just any other finger besides the middle finger. I mean, it felt like they were giving us a middle finger with the comment. I was like, ha ha, here you go. Well, the obvious easy joke of like, hey, we all have middle finger inflammation watching there we go yes yes so he's still here and you know you know that when he struck out

Lendorin Soto in back to back at bats flashing 97 they were like I don't know yes might have found something eight runs prior four runs still five runs is Romano cooking is Romano cooking

actually do you think that do you think that he saw Joe Ross get DFA and was like damn it like i think there's a part of yeah there's a part of a manner that i think is like please like just let me go i i can't imagine he wants to take the mountain of philly right like maybe on the road but i i just i can't imagine it i can't imagine it it won't go let me go let me go i don't want it's been horrible i will say did you notice i was in correct they're like incredibly

disappointed with the outing and and also like top were bringing him into a three run game like that bothered me like i've said on this pod before four 10 runs one way or the other is the only way Romano was getting into a game for me at that point it's a three round game in New York and a game that mattered it was like all right he was a good seating like whatever like there many issues with topers this weekend that or this week that one bothered me but we didn't even get the Romano you know celebration or whatever you want to call he didn't even do the down on his knees and the upset thing after the home he just stood there yeah gonna give up a huge home run like that at least give us the comedy make it funny

Yep. Yes. He just stood there. I was so this. I was like, all right, well, if that's going to have it, at least pan to him and give me the hands on the knees and he's crouched over. Like, you just, you know, got shot or something. How that happened again? Like, always sitting there like, how again? Really? Like, he just got punched in the stomach and he's like doubling over. Like, I need it. If I'm good. I want. I'm good. Thank you. Anyway. And then, final thing, shout out to a P-Sack legend. Lou Trevino. Yep. Slipper. Slipper. Slipper. Rock University. I thought he was in a mercy of a day. Definitely been part of perfect deadlines in the past.

It's always fun when they bring in a perfect deadline guy, maybe a little past his prime, but it's always fun. He looked all right last night, up to 97, had a little slider, a little change of interest,

interesting. Who could forget through a no-hitter against a 2013 Blunesburg Huskies. So, I don't know, he's good. Was it, what was it like watching him

throw it that day? Was this stuff just off the charts for a high school kid? were you like, well, this is college, but yes. I know.

Oh, yeah, college is a boom for a minute. Dude, when you watch him, were you like this kid has a chance to go to the minute? Like,

did you know watching him? So what I remember was, thinking, we pitch in the same league. That's, like, you know what I mean? I'm sitting there.

Like, we are different things, you and me, my friend. I'm like, hold on. I got, uh,

warm the old arm up. Here's 82. He's 82 on the outside corner with some sink. This guy's throwing 93. You kidding? Like, we're supposed to be on the same league. So, yeah, yeah. That's the same way watching Mesa.

So Tim Mesa pitched in Miller'sville. And he obviously made the big leagues. He pitched forever. He was the one that allowed judges record breaking home run. Who could forget? But yes, the Trevino no-hitter, I remember by the third inning, it was we have no chance there's a 0% chance we're hitting him today these disgusting and we're not used to this in the in the b-sac i know it's the SEC of division two baseball which many people

talk about yes but that was a little bit different little jarring little jarring st lu trevino in college oh bad buddy oh bet so we uh ended up doing 40 extra minutes after we ended the pod so that's i know i know so it's all good it's all good uh would hate it's fine i know i know i know i know often i'm one to say we live with a split i won't live with the split please give me three or four please give me three or four just knit this whole thing in the bud calm down all the the well nothing's gonna really calm down because now people are just going to say nothing matters until the post season which in a ways right like that that's the thing that sucks about the series is if they went out and took two or three there's like so much positive momentum about the team holy and so much

negative momentum for the Mets too. Like it is really the flip. You mentioned it before, but it really is like you kind of shot one team one way and the other team another and it doesn't have to stay that way, but that's what it feels like coming out of series. And now it's dead. And now it's dead.

Although that four game set here is going to be massive. Big, big. Yeah. I think that's September, like, 50, oh, no, the Dodgers are 15, 60, 70, but somewhere around there. So we got a Dodgers series, too. You got the Brewers and Eagles game week next week,

Brewers is next week, dude. Brewers is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and next week. So the schedule at the beginning of September is pretty hard. But then by the end, they have like nine, the last nine are pretty good. Like, I think there's twins, nationals, and I forget what they close it out with. I think there's a Marlins series. Marlins, yeah, because there's a Marlins again for sure. Yeah, so there's a Marlon series in there.

So that could be a spot where it's get writable in the last nine games. Which would be good. Tough sledding. Tough sledding. these next like three weeks with with with games should be fun oh yeah come on man we're fine all right um three or four sunday night baseball leading into labor day so oh dude what am i crazy sunny books sunday at the ballpark oh my good dude of all the things you almost don't mention what an idiot what an idiot what an idiot go at the ballpark on sunday

5.30 to 7. 530 to 7. All right. Check that out. We'll hear about it on the pod on the pot on Monday. I'm sure we'll find some time on late night Sunday. Who knows? We'll figure it out. Oh, late night's altar. Wow. We'll stay. We'll see. I don't have to work on Monday. So we're wrong. So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. We'll certainly will not be recording a pod if they don't win three or four of us. We'll never record a podcast again. We'll be back Sunday night or Monday. Until that, he's burnt themselves. Thank you.