High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - Orion's Boner Ends The Phillies 2025 Season

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

The Philadelphia Phillies' 2025 season has come to an end with an extra-inning loss to the Dodgers in the NLDS. James Seltzer and Jack Fritz react to the loss and wonder what the future holds for the franchise and key players such as Kyle Schwarber and JT Realmuto. Presented by Miller Lite To purchase Ring The Bell by Jack Fritz and Kevin Reavy go to RingTheBellBook.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Philly's tastes like Miller-Chime, Philadelphia, celebrate responsibly. I think Jack leaving his spot and just an empty image there, if you're not watching YouTube, is pretty appropriate of how we feel right now. Honestly, I just said to Jack, before he started recording, I said, you know, I'm just going to wait until he start recording. It's like, let's just frigging do this. I have not come that close to crying about sports since Joe Carter hit a home run when I was 12 years old, and I sat there and cried my little eyes out.

like that was the most devastating way to lose a game that I can remember. Like I've been trying to in the, you know, 10 minutes since the game ended before we started recording. I've been trying to cycle through the devastating losses and moments in my time as Philadelphia sports fan. And like obviously, you know, we've got them. You know, the Super Bowl a few years ago was one of the World Series and stuff. But it wasn't, it wasn't, you know, it was Jordan,

Nalvarez, we remember that moment. And we remember, you know, the, the, you know, the, you know, the, the, you know, the, a flag on Bradbury and we knew it was over and this and that and all that stuff. But like to have that game, that epic, awesome, you know, playoff game that was just as on the edge of my seat as I have been for three plus four hours, whatever the hell it ended up being, like I was every, I couldn't breathe, I felt like, and Jack, for it to end that way in I again been racking my brain I think the single biggest individual athlete choke moment that I remember like I can't we've had athletes you know come up small before but I can't remember an individual guy like having such a bad all time blunder all time choke moment as a Ryan Kirkering had tonight like it's and it was just the most depressing heartbreaking way for it then. how you doing man i i i'm sure you know i know there are a lot of people who love to give you crap

but i'm sure there are also a lot of people and certainly listen to those pot out there who who are feeling up for ourselves but also feeling for you knowing how hard you're taking this i'm sure how you doing pal i i can't i i can't believe it i really i really know i'm still in shock i'm still in shock i i sat there and i had my Because I just had Twitter open for, I felt like 30, like three minutes. I didn't know what to say. I've never seen that before. I really haven't.

It was one of those things that it's almost like you saw it happening in slow motion. I know, dude, you're so right. I was like, don't throw it home. Because your initial reaction is, oh, my gosh, perfect. Andy Baez, who has been an absolute choke artist, this entire. series grounded out and and then you're like oh you got plenty time and then and then it's like he's turned towards home and then you're like well he has time no he doesn't have any time and then he freaking sails it halfway into the bleachers I oh my god dude I I got to be honest

I got to be honest I think that I'm going to be telling my kids about that I think I mean for years and years, the Orion, like, someone's going to find some, some proper way to name that, but like, I mean, there's Orion's belt. Is there Orion's meltdown? Yeah, I mean, yeah.

I mean, like, it's, I'm like, I get it. Let me, let me just, let me start with this. Let me start with this. They didn't lose the game because of Ryan Cargaring. So let's, let's put that. Yeah, like Harper was over five, Turner was over five.

for it was one five whatever there's a lot of stuff in there yeah and and dude it was just it was such a gritty grinded out to the best freaking teams in baseball and it really i i honestly got more mad about games one and two than i got about that game i really did because if they could have stolen one of these games we'd be gearing out for cbp on saturday but i just i cannot believe that happened i cannot believe in the in the bottom of my i i i I've seen the Phillies lose. James, I've seen the Phillies invent ways to lose baseball games, invent ways to lose. I've never imagined that.

You wrote a book about it. That was the heart of the book. I've never seen the pain and the love. And a part of me is kind of, I like this pain. This is a different kind of pain. It really is. This is like, this is sick of bleep. All I want to do is curse.

All I want to do is curse and curse and curse and curse and curse and curse and curse. but like that is the sickest most twisted dude i was ready to say this is the primo game from the flyers back in the early 2000s that's what it felt like it was setting up for i truly feels like a loss three time change i never ever felt like they were going to lose that baseball game i never really felt it because i had so much belief that somehow some way through the guts and guile of this baseball team that they were going to eke it out they were going to eke it out and they were going to get this back to CBP, and it was going to be beautiful.

It was going to be a beautiful moment against a juggernaut Dodgers team. And oh, my God, he threw it over JT's freaking head in the most Orion Kirkering way possible. I don't know how you come back from that. I just don't know. Because it's no one in the rest of their comprehending of sports lives is going to forget

of Ryan Kirkering throwing home and bleeping down his leg with the chance to get it back to CBP. Again, it's not the reason they lost this baseball game tonight. But also, like, dude, I don't know, man. They shut the Dodgers down and the Dodgers kind of choked it away too.

And sometimes you've got to win a baseball game 2-1. It's not going to be like everyone has a step up, but, man, I love, I loved this team. I loved this team. And the finality of this, it just sucks, man. It just sucks. Losing in that, like, Ronde Barber, Ronday Barber, Joe Carter, the Kauai shot that. yeah and like and even ronde barber like you knew it was over at that time but like and like the joe carter thing like that's like a walk off and it ends it but that and it's the

world series but that's a guy hitting a home run and doing it doing a job or whatever you know like this is this is i mean how many times have has he fielded a ball like that you know how many times have as he fielded a ball like that you know how many times like how do you not instinctually throw the ball to first base it's just when it's so unavoidably a choke moment like a to your I mean he said peed down his leg like you know that's that's what happened like he in the biggest moment of the series of the game of everything like his brain stopped working and to your point jack like i hope that mentally he can get over it because that is like that like i am sure it's he'll never forget about it like i'm sure that's something that's going to stick in his head

forever and who knows how long it takes him to get back to normal after it you know but at the same time i mean how could you ever trust that guy in a big moment again like you know i certainly know philly's fan is and honestly to your point as as much as like i i like i don't know know what you do with like i mean he's like you know he's under you know you're a cheap contract and this he's not yeah dude but but like i don't know that he can pitch in philadelphia like i'm with you like i think there are to your point i think that i think look i'm 44 years old man like i have a i have a kid you have kids now like a ryan kirkering's like 24 years old or 25 or whatever like i can like be super angry at him and i am and i'm like so disappointed i feel bad for him but that's

my point is like he's like a kid he's a kid who had like the worst moment of his life just now in front of the world and friend and ended the hopes and dreams of players his teammates of of millions of fans and like I'm mad about it like don't get me wrong like I will never be able to trust him in a big spot like I I or maybe it'll take a really long time or whatever and like I'm not saying that I would like get off my team but I think there's going to be a lot of people who feel that way. And I feel, I feel just, like, I'm just so sad, man. Like, I feel so gutted. Like, it feels like, like, 165 games. And it ends on that. Like, it's, it feels so unfair to everyone. Like, man. And, and, and yeah, like, you know, as the, as the offseason goes on, we're going to

talk a lot more about, you know, Harper and Chorber and Turner having one game. And that game was awesome but on the whole for the series they didn't come through and you know after flipping the switch last night and the old thing like that's going to have be talked about like it will brandon marsh had a horrible series like we're going to talk about these things and there were guys who stepped up i mean zeus coming in in that spot out of i mean what a what a freaking king that guy is like and and freaking should have had a little bit out of the inning sanchez got screwed on that that second strike call that ultimate or the third strike call yeah and that ultimately leads to Duran walking in a run.

I mean, to think that the season's over because a guy who had one walk with the Phillies this year walked in a run and then you lose on that. On again, Jack, and we joke, and this is not joky-joking time.

I'm being dead freaking serious. We joke about, like, you as a major league pitcher, you would have thrown the ball to first base in that spot. Like, it's such an obvious, instinctual thing. Like, as a baseball player,

like, when I was playing bait And look, you know, I was, I was never even close to what you were much less close to anything. But like, when I grew up playing baseball, my whole life, when my dad taught me baseball, the first thing he said is like, always know what you're going to do in every situation. When you're fielding, when you're on the base pass, whatever, like, no, if the ball comes to you, what are you doing with it? What's the situation? Like, and it feels like, and I know he had a moment, it must have, like, lost his mind in a

moment, but at the same time, like, how do you not know to throw to first base? And that's about that you should be at least, you should be at least big, He just lost his mind. He blacked out. He blacked out. But like, man, I'm sorry, dude. You can't black out in that spot, man. And again, I feel so bad for him.

But I'm like, again, I'm so, I'm so angry and sad. So it's like, it's a tough one, man. I don't, I don't really know how to talk about it that well. Like, I don't, like, it sucks. This sucks. I don't think I could ever. I don't think I know how to properly express sadness, anger, and disbelief in one pop.

That is what we're trying to overcome right now. So let's hit on the sad part. The sad part is, dude, I don't care what anyone says tomorrow. I'll fight. I've never been in a fight in my life. I will fight any single person that tells me if this team didn't battle tonight. Like there's, you can be frustrated. You can be frustrated with the offense, but dude, like, and I promise I'm not trying to sound cop outing.

the Dodgers pitchers are really freaking good, man. And it's not like the Dodgers beat up this Phillies pitching staff. The Phillies pitch and staff match that team mono e mono. Like, I'm sorry. Sometimes you're going to have to win a game 2-1 and your offense isn't going to be perfect. Like, it's baseball. I can't be so dumb to believe that like, these guys weren't even trying. That team showed a lot of freaking heart, man.

And those are the two best teams in baseball. It just freaking blows that they played in the first round. That's what sucks. That's what I'm not about tonight is that, well, I'm not, there's a lot. I'm not mad. You're sad about it. I'm sad about it. I am too.

I am too. And I agree with everything you said. Because, like, dude, that's a seven game series, man. That's a seven game series. And we're going to look, we're going to look back on the Robertson decision. We're going to look back on the bunt more than we're going to, well, actually, that's not true. I'm never going to forget.

So I just, no, no, no, no. As sad as it is because I totally agree with you. And this is a well-fought series. And they even fought back in game two, you know, like I know that it sucked the way it ended in that one, too, with the dumb decisions and, you know, even the decision two bunt, which was horrible and all these things. But like, they fought this team went toe to toe with the Dodgers at no point in this series where they overmatched, where they outplayed with like, honestly, there was only one game where one team dominated and it was, it was game three. Like they, I'm Jack, I just, I'm a hundred percent with you. like we can talk about some bad at bats from trade turner tonight and Kyle Schwerver and some spots where you need more for your big guys and like there are discussions about that but on the

whole man like the dodgers are awesome roki susaki was yeah freaky unreal tonight like on one of the better relief performances i've ever seen in a playoff game like oh you know really he was outstanding and you know i'm with you like i'm bummed and i'm a little disappointed in the top of the line just just when you look at the numbers but on the whole This team, man, they, they fought so hard. And they, again, to your point, they ran into a great, great team, a capital G great team. This is one of the most talented teams I have ever seen in my life watching baseball, just pure talent, like the guys that they have. I mean, like, like, Roki Sasaki would have got $100 million if he had been a free agent coming in.

You know what I mean? But like that, like it's just, and he's coming out of the pen for them. I'm like... What a run! This champ is picking up speed. But they found a lane. Phenomenal launch into the air. Absolutely incredible.

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visit tell us dot com slash total security to learn more conditions apply anyway i go ahead i'm sorry i'm sorry i just i want to hammer that home i totally agree with you i have so much love for this team and what they did this year and how they brought me back in and it sucks that you know it it it sucks it ended like this and I and I I don't feel any shame in saying that I don't feel any shame in saying that I am proud and I love a baseball team that lost in the NLDS to the Dodgers I don't feel that way and I and even when now again this is all before Ryan Kirkering through the ball into into the the Scott Francky's booth at at Dodgers stadium with a chance to throw to the first base and extend the game but as the game was winding down I was like dude they're just they're fighting an uphill battle here if someone doesn't pop a home run I have no faith

in their ability to win this game yeah I felt the same way I did not feel combat I was like you need I get me one run the Bader the Bader it was the Bader of bad it was the Bader of Bad I thought he was going to get hit there so bad

but as the game was winding down and and as you started accepting your fate I guess in a way I was fully prepared to say, dude, bring these guys back. There needs to be tweaks. There needs to be adjustments. But there's just a damn good baseball team here, man. And maybe you're just the rockets that have to go against the Warriors.

You know what I mean? Like maybe that is who you are. But I felt like that they were just right there. They're right there. And that's what makes the first two games so annoying if they could have just stolen one of those games. We're talking about a game five at CPP that you know is crazy. And it's not going to happen and we have to accept that, whatever. But I don't sit here.

I don't sit here after that loss feeling hopeless. We have sat here and we have done post game shows after series losses where we said, break up the core. what's the point you have to change the chemistry yada yada yada i don't feel that way i think there needs to be tweaks i think cassianos the perpetual alec bone decision bringing back harrison bader is is a who knows how the series goes if harrison vater's healthy by the way that that dude that's what i was going to say i was like if you want to just point to one thing where here's some errant game one maybe they win game one maybe they win game two maybe they win the night like all these close

games, Bader could have played a massive role in. Dude, I'm with you. I, I, there's obviously going to be some changes like they, you know, they're not going to be able to bring back Couchover, Rangers, Farras, JT, like all, all Bader. Like, it's just, it's a lot of money, you know what I mean? And I don't think that they're going to be able to, or they're going to prioritize bringing all those guys back, especially when, you know, I do think they want Andrew Panner to be a part of the rotation next year.

And I do think that they want Justin Crawford to play for this team. And, you know, I think there are spots where, you know, we'll see what happens. But look, I, I agree for you, agree with you for the most part. I do think that they do, like, guys are getting older. I mean, Bryce Harper, we saw it this year. I mean, Bryce, look, this postseason, Bryce wasn't Bryce. You know, Bryce, you know, even Schwerver had the two-hour game. I'm sure, you know, on the whole, didn't have a great series.

And Turner had a three-a-game but didn't have an awesome series. So, like, you know, they're one-year-old each, even if they bring Schwerver back which I think they, they're definitely going to try to. But, you know, JT, which I think they'll bring back, 35 or whatever's going to be. Like, so I get it, but I do think they're going to have to find an infusion of something from an offensive perspective, you know, like they're just going to have to. I think, look, the Wheeler can be healthy. And you, I mean, Sanchi, Lazzardo, Painter, who knows what happens there.

Like beef up the pen a little bit seems like a very doable thing. They need something offensively, something different. are part of it, but they're going to. And I don't want my last statement to be like, just rhyme back on the same team. Because I agree with you. Like, I, I guess my main point is that.

These guys aren't losers, is what you're trying to say. Like Nick Castiano's might be a loser despite his hit tonight, but. Yeah, that's a big hit. No, it was a good hit. That's why I want to give him credit. I ripped him, but still, like, I still think what he said is outrageous, and I don't want him back. Honestly, I really don't want Nick back on the Phillies.

He won't be back. I know, and I don't. I don't want him back. Like, I don't care they had a couple hits in the postseason. Like, I don't think he's a winning baseball player. I don't think he's a winning guy. Like, so, like, I'm, I would be very happy to get rid of him to start there. But look, we're not there yet.

Like, let's get to the mad part because I think we've elucidated this ad pretty good. You see that word right there. It's way too big of a word for, for this podcast. I know, I know. That's very, we got some smart listeners, dude. We do. We got some, like, we got some, like, high-end, intelligent people who listen to this pod. So that was for them.

Well, and to be clear, most of my dumbness is a bit. Just kidding. So. We're going to have one last. No more last. Let's get mad. Yeah. I mean, like, I guess I don't know, man.

Like, my mad, I'm actually, it's just the Kirkcoring thing, but I feel bad for Kirkering, but also throw the bleep in ball on a first base. Just throw the ball of first base. Dude. So, like, all right. Can I just. Yeah, we got to get mad about a little bit. No, no, no, but my photo, hold on.

For one second, for one second. Like, I didn't have turned the photo for a phase, Jack. So, all right. Just hear me out for one second. Hear me out for one second. Is there a par of you that's like, I'm going to be out to tell my kids about that? Like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not hitting the right note.

I'm not hitting the right now. Not at all. Let me ask you a question. What happened to David Robertson? Like, why? It's a fair point. Right. David Robertson's a 40.

old vet who's been in a lot of big spots, that was a big spot. You're bringing in a right, which I was fine with with, like, go into the right hander there. I was totally fine with decisions. And in the moment, I was even fine, like, I was fine with the decision making.

But what happened to David Robertson? He pitched in that game one. And then, like, I would personally, especially because Kirkring pitched last night, and I know he's looked good, but he pitched last night. I know. Why would he go to a fresh arm, David Robertson, who's been in so many big spots in that situation and a dirty

inning with runners on when Kirkering has not been great with inherited runners this year. Like, that's been like his biggest freaking thing. I just, it didn't like, again, and I'm not killing Topper tonight. Like I think there, you know, I blame, you know, a lot more things on tonight's loss than Topper and Tabbert a great night last night. You know, we can go back to game two and have issues with the bump, which I do and all this stuff. But I do think that it's fair to say, why.

you going to Ryan Kirkry in that spot yeah I think they just believes in the way trusted him like so much in this series they overtrusted him and he's fine but like he did like Turner obviously didn't bail him on him on and stuff but like he still like other than the clean inning in the game they were down like he didn't really pitch amazing you know well it was funny they overstrusted him and then every single person sitting on their couch was like I don't trust him at all Totally. My brother texted me, and obviously Kike walked, my brother texted me, Kike versus Kerkering with the game on the line is the stuff of my nightmares.

And I'm like, yeah, I feel exactly the same way. I was like, this feels like the worst case in area. Yeah. And I think they lost some faith in David Robertson. You know, David Robertson hadn't necessarily done a job, but at the same time. You put him in a bad spot, but okay. But at the same time, he's 40, he's been there before. that's a dude i i really didn't even think about it because i saw kirkering warming up and i was

like well i guess i have to mentally prepare myself for a ryan kirkering coming in this baseball game and maybe it's one of those things like they're they're trying to piece out their future i don't know like he's not going to in the perfect world be someone that's going to have to get that out i just think topers over trust him i think yeah i think that's probably fair more faith in kirkering then and obviously even before the disastrous moment where you know again to black out in that moment it's just like an all time how can I trust you in a big moment again kind of moment thing but even before that like it's they get no point in the past two playoffs or three excuse me three playoffs that kirk ring's been a part of has he gone out and been like other than I guess

when he was down five three or up in the game big you know like he just yeah he's never coming to a big spot and gotten the job done and you can blame other circumstances and stuff and he's never been like the worst ever give up a run or this or that but like man like i don't know i was just i didn't i didn't love going him there especially again after pitching yesterday like i just don't get robertson isn't pitched like his arm going to be fresher i'm sorry yeah well it's so there's a couple things i don't want to like jump forward to the off season but finding another a real right-handed option before Geron is huge.

And I don't know that Strom we can trust as like the go-to lefty out of the pen next year if you want to be in a week. He's good, but like wouldn't you rather have like a and I guess Alvarado, I mean, do we, is he coming back? I mean, you know.

He's got an option. He's got an option. That was a serious sneeze. That was a good sneeze. I know. Thanks. But. We're struggling through this. But yeah, finding, I mean, Luke Weaver. Luke Weaver Does that interest to you at all?

Sure, buddy But that's my thing, man. That's my thing is that I think I sit here I still sit here feeling mostly shocked. I'm really not that mad. I think I'm sad and shocked over mad. Again, I tweeted this out while the podcast has been going on. You know how I brought up the when you die?

You have the seven-minute highlight of your life? Oh, yeah. Just for people listening, this is not like a factual thing or anything. This is a... I saw it on Instagram. Yes. I just want people not doing it and think that, like, you've, like, where people are starting for this, is this a real thing?

Did I even know about it? Anyway, go ahead. So people say that when you die. People say, yes. You have a seven-minute highlight before you pass on. And, I mean, what a hopeful message, by the way. but I really think that the Orion Kirkring throng in the Baltimore I hate you I hate you I hate you

I hate you so much you're sick and twisted individual it's going to be on it dude it's going to be on it I'm letting you know I'm letting you know so speaking of it are you going to think of it this way because Tucker has a good name for it and it's true and it's I actually almost referenced this before and I want to know if you know your baseball history and I also want to know know and Tucker text me and let me know if you were referring to the famous play in baseball history so I grew up uh oh I know it is I know yeah one of the I'm happy one of the books my dad got

me was like a book of like just famous baseball moments and things or whatever and I read about Merkel's Boner you know about Merkel's Boner. Orion's Boner. Yep, Orion's Boner. I guess so Merkel's Barrow for those knows Cubs Giants back in like early 1900s uh boner Merkel excuse me at a base running gap, they end up losing, and I'm losing the pennant. And it went down as Merkel's boner as like a really famous baseball play for a long time as like the all-time example of a guy just blacking out and having a horrible moment that caused his team the game. Like Ryan's boner. I mean, I think it was like over a hundred years ago or something. You know, we can re-back it. I think it's been long enough for a new boner, boner named play, you know. Dude, I, I, I, I, I swear. I,

I swear, that's what I was trying to think of. Yeah, yeah, it's perfect, Tucker. It's freaking so perfect. It is exactly the right thing. Like, it's exactly the right thing. And it also shows how rare it is for someone to just lose their mind like this in the moment, like that as bad as he did. Well, Tucker, I'm going to need that for, I think the sanity of our listeners, that has to be a title of podcast. Oh, that is the all time.

Like, I've never, we a lot of times will, like, do a pot and be like, oh, there's our title. and it'll be like, oh, that's clearly the title. There's never been a more. That is the title of the podcast. And I mean, that's the title. Did you think they were going to lose tonight as the game was going on? So I went right back and forth, buddy. I was, to use another big word for our smart listeners,

I was vacillating back and forth between win and loss. Like when Zeus was dealing, I was like, where I was like, I honestly, Zeus was one of the things that gave me the most confidence in where I was like, dude, we're going to win this. game like zuss is coming in here and giving them that like that's going to pick guys up like let's go like freaking zeus and and then once we couldn't hit me it was one of those things where it really went with like the pitching and we would get out and i'd like all right all right and then every inning would just kind of go down offensively the whimper and again i'm not i think there's a lot of reasons for it

we're going to we're going to talk that out we're not there yet like unfortunately i have to do an eagles podcast night too jagged you know horrible horrible that is are they down 10 right now They're down 27 to 17 to the New York Giants can't, honestly, don't even care. Like, I only care because people will just be in a worse mood tomorrow, but like, this is meaningless tonight. Like, the Phillies are the only thing that matters. Like, this is, you know, Eagles have a lot of games left. This would be a disaster's loss, but they got a lot of games left. Like, like, this is the, like, and for a week, for whatever.

Like, honestly, for an off season. Like, that's why this sucks so much, Jack, because it's like, it's such a, like, the most unfulfilling end to a season you could possibly have and now we have to wait till freaking March to watch and play again and it's late March and it's just like you

well you know I don't care you're right though technically to technically watch and play to watch it play a meaningful game again it's going to be March and I you know at late March

and you just sucks like I don't want to not watch his baseball like it's so much freaking fun for it to freaking end on that for that to be the thing that we have in our memories you know like that's what we're going to think about the Phillies first thing I'm going to think about for the next six months or whatever the hell it is is I almost said super Ryan Kirkman I don't mean stupid like the stupid Ryan Kirkring moment like you know

just like like that stupid moment where a guy for a second just completely forgot how to do his job and completely forgot what was happening or lost his mind or who the hell knows what happened to him in that moment. But like to watch it in the moment and to see the replay and they're like, like it is rare, Jack, in life, much less in sports that you watch someone have a moment like that, dude. And that's why I feel so bad for him, but also so bad for all of us as fans. Like it's like, that's why it sucks because I feel bad for this kid. Again, he is a kid. But like, I feel so bad for you. I feel so bad for me. I feel so bad for every father with their kids who's been watching

this playoffs together. And every young kid who's getting excited about the feelings, every old person who's like, how many more playoffs do I have? Like, all that stuff. Like, like, I'm old now. Like, I don't know how many playoffs I have. Like, I didn't see that many to start with for the long portion of my freaking life. You know what I mean? So, like, I just, I, I get the people are mad at him. I'm just mad that this is how we have to live with this. man, that we have to freaking live with this as, as the end to it. Like, it's, yeah, it's just the worst, the worst possible. It's like, honestly, it's the worst ending to a season since Ryan Howard tore his Achilles.

That is the worst way that a season has ended since Ryan Howard has torn his Achilles because there was that, that sadness and like a real injury with it and stuff, you know what I mean? I can't think of a Philly season that ended more sad, right? Can you just because of the moment that it, I'm talking just the last moment of it. I'm only talking the last play of the season. I don't say losing the World Series being like the last month. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm saying the last time a season was this sad when it ended was when

Ryan Howard was laying on the ground in a heap with a torn Achilles. Like that's how sad this moment is to end the season. Or Ryan Howard striking out against Brian Wilson, then the 20th M. LCS in game six with a runner. But that was that was further ago. So that wouldn't be since, you know? That wouldn't be sense. that's my point since 11 yeah yeah yeah well and i do i do legitimately feel bad for i do feel

bad for i do feel bad for ryan curf i know that i know that he theoretically ended our season but really the bats ended our season and i dude he's going to have to live with that for the rest of his life and i hope that he can come out the other side a stronger a stronger guy yeah and and hopefully it's something they use as fuel. I'm not totally sure that it's going to be the case. I mean, it could absolutely break him. Like, it could. I hope it doesn't, to your point.

But things like this have absolutely impacted people's careers before. Like, it's a, you know, like, and this one, like I said, might be the biggest in my lifetime in terms of just an individual athlete having a choke, blunder, whatever you want to call in the moment. Just like, I can't, I can't remember. remember a bigger, more impactful athlete just completely and totally choking in a moment. Like, yeah, I mean, like, you're talking about like, I mean, Ronne Barber picked the ball off. Joe Carter. Yeah, that's my point. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, why hit a shot? Like, Ben Simmons passed up the dunk, kind of, I guess. But, like, that's not as bad as this was. I mean, it's just not. Like, it's not. Like, that's, like, weak and whatever. But, like, he did. passes to The Bible and The Bible could have gotten in it.

Like, whatever. Like, this is, this season ended because this guy had the worst brain, like, moment of all time. Like, that's it. Like, there's no, like, so, like, I can't, I, like, it's just, for him, for all of it, like, it's just such a bad, like, look, I heard what I'm, I'll say to Ryan Kirkering is, is a phrase, I'm sure he said a million times, but I thought it was so, so good and so concise, but he was talking about all the stuff they went through and how he's like, always tries to grow through things. And he's, like, always tries to grow through things. And he's like, if you're going to go through it, then grow through it.

And it's like simple, but it's a, you know, it's the only message that I think Ryan Kirkring has to hear right now is that you're going to go through a buddy like this is going to suck. This is going to suck so much. And I'm sure he feels it to your point. Like, I think there is maybe no one on the planet who is more upset right now than him. For how he let his teammates down, for how he let himself down, for his family down, for I let him, millions of fans down.

But people are going to be mad. people are going to be set there's going to be like idiots and stay dumb things yeah and no one's going to forget it it will never leave him it will never leave him so you know I just man like you there's no other choice for you but to like try and

find a way to to grow through this thing and use this as something that you can learn from because you're young man you got your whole life in front of you dude like I I am like find a way And I know it's hard, like, and I, I can't imagine being in that spot.

Like, Jack, like you and I, like, if people say something mean about us, it hurts, you know, like, I can't imagine what that guy in that public and that big. And we're talking to, like, a fraction of the people who watch that baseball game and saw that thing, you know, so it just, I really hope he can find a way to use it as something that down the road can be a growing thing. But I also can't believe they threw it in a Frankske's. I can't believe. I can't believe he did it. I can't believe he did it. I just I do that. I swear to guys sat on the couch and I wasn't even that. It was one of those things where it was. It was like state of shock. It was like it really was. It was like I disassociated. I felt like it again at first and I disassociated and then I just I honestly felt like I wanted to cry like I didn't cry but it like

welled up a bit because I felt so sad for him for us for the Phillies for the moment for that game ending that way like it all just hit me so hard. And I was like, this sucks you know totally totally they're right there they're right there and you know what's funny man is that they lost they lost a very good team i i really don't i don't have that hopeless feeling i i've come on here after losses and had way more a hopeless this is over blah blah blah blah they they got it they got a good DNA here they got a good DNA um and they ran to a frickin they ran into a

the juggernaut. I'd be surprised that team doesn't win the World Series again. I agree. I agree. I really, especially with what they've added in the bullpen and then soccer. I would be shocked if anyone beats them. Not being able to not being able to glass now. It was really annoying. I mean,

tonight's loss is not an Orion. Tonight's losses on the big guys to the top. It just is. Like, again, we can excuse that the Dodgers have great pitching. They do. They do. And Again, I'll say it again, Rokey Sasaki, like, I'm not mad at anyone for not hitting him. Like, I get that. Like, you know, like that, that dude looked on hit him all night.

But, like, Bryce Harper was over five. Trey Turner was over five. Kyle Schwerer was like one for five or whatever it was. And especially after last night and putting up those numbers and Kyle Schwerver were flipping the switch and all that stuff. Like, man, like, it sucks. It sucks. Because, like, you know, a lot of people are going to focus on Ryan Kirkering. And, you know, again, it's a horrible moment.

It deserves its share of the pie. But, man, like, it's tough because we got that one night. We're like, they're back. And then it was like, oh, not back. Sorry, we are not at all back. They kind, they kind of, I don't know, they kind of were. I know, like the offense. I know.

It was just a tough one. They just didn't get anything going. The shadows to this, you know, like, oh, come on. You know, it just, again, at the end of the day, like, I'm sorry. you know how this stuff works and I think there's all gray areas to all this and to your point on the whole I really do come out of this like I'm not like everyone sucks and this team stinks and I can never watch these guys in the playoffs I'll never like they're a disaster they can never win like it's four baseball games against great pitching and all that type of stuff but I do think that you have to keep it real and say that you know they lost this game primarily and you said it primarily because You know, Tray Turner, Bryce Harper and Kyle Schrober couldn't do anything. Even if it's great pitching, that's why you get paid $300 million, $330 million. You know, that's why you're about to get paid whatever, $150 or whatever those

were going to make, like, because, you know, I know there's great pitching, but that's a great hitting's for. And I know that, you know, Jack doesn't always say a great pitcher is going to win. But, like, sorry, like, you know, Robert Suarez is a great pitcher. Bryce Harbury has been off the bank on him and I'm going to want to count. Like, you know, like, sometimes you got to rise. up and and when your team loses even in a small sample size I do think it's fair to say that you know they were absolutely not good enough and and that's you know a couple of post seasons

in a row for most of them you know yeah I mean that's that's total what it is it's what it is it's what it is again on the whole I I don't to your point I I don't either like I don't I'm not hopeless either I don't leave this feeling like they they they didn't show up they choked that i i think there are spots we can point to again i agree with you like honestly i go back to game two and i do think like i think that missed opportunity whether between the decision to bond or how like i think that missed opportunity in the ninth a eight game two is the is probably where they lost the series ultimately that and you know at the end of the day orion you know giving this game away here because they do think they could

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Totally. You know, I don't feel, I think I peeped by a better team probably, like certainly a more talented team, like a flat out more talented team. More talented, but barely better. Yeah, and that's a good point, Jack. You're right. Like, again, I think this Philly team could have, if they won game two, they had it right there. They could have won game one. And again, just on a simple level.

And it's, it's excusey, but I, like, if the area doesn't get hurt. they might win the series like flat they think i don't want to say they probably win the series but like what if wheeler isn't get hurt and then exactly but you know what people get hurt in baseball a guy getting hurt in game one of the series like that like that feels different you know i mean i agree with you like but look if they wheeler i think they win this series i'm with you i'm not i'm not dude i got to be honest i'm just saying you got to call it out and say that like you know next postseason if they get there like they need more from these guys if they're going to win like flat out and that's and that's totally fine and it's not that i disagree with you

it's just that i sit here and i do feel more proud of these guys than mad at these guys i i just i really do so again i but i feel a lot more proud of of i there's way more pride for me with chris zardo and with you know like these guys and and and erin nolan ranger suarez and even guys like j t romuto i feel super proud about how he played this series and stuff like that Like, again, I'm not saying I don't feel somewhat proud of like, I feel proud over the, I agree with you. I feel more pride than not with how they played. You want the three of the top. Yeah, but like I don't feel proud about how Schwerver, Turner and Harper played.

I can't say that I do. And look, defensively, Turner made some freaking amazing plays tonight. And that was huge. And Harper was great all series. Don't care. I think you could quibble if he did, should have thrown the ball to second base in that spot. I don't know. I get taking the fair out, but like whatever, whatever, whatever.

but like Bryce has to be better in those spots he has to hid like he just has to he has to find a way and maybe he can't maybe that's the thing that we should be most concerned about is that Bryce just can't but like for right now I like again I am not mad I'm not freaking out not saying these guys suck but like I am saying that as proud as I am of them as a whole for the most part like I am I am more disappointed than proud with Harper and Chorber and Turner offensively in the way they produce And that's fair. I really wish it would have called the strike on Alex's call. Me too. Me too. I thought that was a pivotal, pivotal moment, pivotal. And I don't even blame, like, Duran that much. I thought Duran did his job.

I mean, I know. Throw a strike, but yeah. Throw a strike. Throw a strike. And I don't, I will say I don't, I don't hate the decision. I don't blame Tapper at all for walking O Tanya there. I know Tanya's been cold and people are like, I want to challenge. him like like otani's just waiting to bust out like i'm not challenging otani for any reason it's a

righty lefty thing made all the sense in the world set up forces other spots and again a guy who hasn't walked anyone all year essentially for you walk someone like you know i don't blame top for the decision i blame to run a little bit for now to throw a strike when he absolutely had to like he's his stuff in that spot three two like your stuff is good enough and aren't enough where you just have to if you have control like throw a freaking strike and if he hits it he hits it like that's the deal. But you got to throw a strike there. But again, he came in the next inning pitch.

Well, like, I'm not like, I don't think I'm a killing to Ron or anything, you know. You know what sucks too is that Trinon was right there. I know. I was so close to getting Trin and then. I was like, we get him to Trinin and get it to try. I actually thought they, when we pinch it Bader, that they would bring Trinan in that spot. And they didn't, yeah, because he had faced the three by getting the bone because he went Chorber or Arbor Bowman.

So he doesn't have to keep Vesia in there. So I really thought he was going to go to Trinan that. about when we brought Bader in. He kept Vassie in. I thought that was such an opportunity. They showed the Bader two for three again. I was like, let's go. I start again. I, for as much as I want Swarber back, and I think JTL take back and a lot of these guys, I just want, I want Harrison Bader back. More than any of them. Honestly, I really want him to back. I think he is the one thing that gives me hope for a different type of vibe, like the whole like run it back thing. Like, I, I, I, I am cool running Harrison Bader and whatever happens because of it back.

Um, all right. Let's, uh, let's wrap this up, Fritzy, because I got to watch the last quarter of this freaking disaster over here because I have to stay up into another podcast tonight. And, uh, and I, you know, look, we'll be back soon. Yeah, dude. I would say next week, we'll, we'll, we'll be back and then we'll, you know, set the off season and start to talk, but like now's, now's, now's about the emotion of the tonight. And again, like, really just, like, and that's the thing.

Like, we talked about how, like, the bun would be remembered as this all-time Philly moment decision and, you know, all that. They lost the series. And now it's like, you know, sure, like, we'll remember it as the bun. But, like, Ryan's boner is like just, like, it's almost that I think in 30 years and 50 years, it'll be the only thing that's remembered of the series. like there is one iconic and it's sad but like there will be one thing that will be iconic from the series and it'll be a ryan's boner like this will never be forgotten like it'll be philly sports lore forever and that sucks but that's that's what it is man that's what tonight was yeah and it and i totally agree it sucks for him but we're never and for us and for us too but we're never going to forget that moment for the rest of our lives Which, on one hand, kind of exciting. No, don't stop. Don't do it.

It's not exciting. It's not exciting. It's not exciting. It's not exciting. It's not exciting. Let me do it. But, but, but. I'm older than you.

I'm wiser and such things. Yeah. I want to remember it. Yeah. But I, uh, man, I, I kind of forget what I'm going to say because it's just been such a. Feels like an appropriate the way to, you know, close it out. Well, it's been, it's been, a highly emotional podcast as it should be it was it was a highly emotional serious honestly that

game like we talked about before but jack i mean it's been a long like even over this run like it's been a long time since we had a game like that like a tie one run the back and forth extra extra extra extra game one yeah it was astros game one but that was more scoring that was different you know it felt like this felt like a game where like one run's gonna win it like that's it like you know like where it's like i don't know it just you're right that's probably the closest comp in this whole run but even then that felt like a different game that was back and forth and the aster side there's a five three game and then they came back and then like you know it felt like was it like i just it felt like a long time since we've had like a razor's edge

game yeah it's from start to finish where it really felt like this is going to be one nothing or two one or one you know like it just it had that feel the entire time and you know And then to end like that, you know. So I now remember what I was going to say is, is that. Collective sigh of relief. We just felt. Not to bring, not to bring everyone down even more. Oh, God.

Can we finish this? I'm really ready to be done now. We've reached my point. No, I'm joking with you. I'm joking with you. Go ahead. Good. But I, and while I do feel more, more like hopeful, I guess, in a way.

More than anything, because I do think that's a damn good baseball team that lost to a great team. The scary part about what happened tonight, and I want you to file this one away, is who knows how long it takes to get back in that spot. And look, I don't think the Dodgers are going anywhere. I don't think Dodgers are going anywhere, but also, like, we have no idea what the teams don't look like next year. We hope it's semi-similar, but also these guys had some career years. And the reality is, is that Bryce is getting a year older, Trey, year older. No idea if Schwarz is going to be here or not probably going to be here. I, like from the standpoint of a little bit of a finality to what this team was,

that's the scary part about losing the series of the Dodgers is, was that it? Was that it? And the most important thing for this team going forward is Painter, Miller, and absolutely. And can I have one more thing in? And it's John Middleton, honestly, because I do think that while there are a lot of questions, and look, I'm not saying he's going to go out and spend all this money

or this, but, like, I know that guy wants to win desperately. Like, I know, we know, we've talked about this a million times, like, he's a fan. Like, he wants to win a World Series desperately. So, like, I do think that having an owner who is committed to winning and committed to, you know, like development and all these things that he's done and committed, you know, but like committed to winning, like, I do think that even if, look at the Dodgers as an example, if you want, like, some, it's positivity, it's long-term positivity, but, I mean, the Dodgers have made the playoffs what 14 straight years i think it is right they said the record this year whatever it's

13 or 14 straight years whatever you know they won a world series till 20 20 and that was a bow and then and then four more years till last year like and yes the dodgers have spent lots and lots of money and all that but like when you're committed to winning and you build and draft and develop well and you sign guys and you continue to spend money and you continue to commit to winning like to the point you know it's about breaking through you know it's like they almost broke through in 2022 out of nowhere, like you never kind of really know what year it's going to kind of catch fire at the right time or Harrison Bader's going to stay healthy or show you Tony gets hurt in a series or whatever it is. Like there's just, it's such a razor's edge as we saw tonight

between winning and losing these things that, you know, especially with these really great teams or good to great teams facing off that, you know, like I do think having an owner that's committed to winning and I believe we'll keep attempting to win. for like certainly the next few years or whatever I think that's a reason for hope to yeah uh in my opinion Thompson's safe I I think I think he's in me back I think Kevin Lonson probably probably

I'd be surprised I don't know where I'm out on that I need some time to think about it to be honest I think he's back and oh I think he'll be back I agree with you I'm just saying in terms of what I would do I'm not a hundred percent sure attached prospect to Kathy get off that we'll see what happens at Thursday we'll get to all this we don't need to do this now you can't

help yourself you're already in all the season mode aren't you I'm just saying Luke weaver Luke weaver no I don't feel like doing I can't I don't I don't I don't feel like doing I don't play doing all season stuff I I'm pretty surprised we're here I was so excited to do it and excited post game show and I'm never going to forget Orion Kirkren tonight for the rest of my life for the rest of my life i will never forget him throwing the ball into scott bransky's booth to cost his team a chance to go to the n lbs or n lcs so uh what a time and what a in a true sick a way what in addition to philly's fandom tonight was good we're done we're done i

got to go. I need a little time before I have to do a go-bird spot about an eagle's fault. All right. Thank you to everyone to tune in. You're a true sicko, which is what IOs is all about. That's really the roots right there, Jack. I mean, I do think if you're to your ridiculous point that you made there, it is it is the roots of this pot is pain and suffering. So we are, we are right back. All right. I love you. I love you. I love you so much. Okay, that I can go with. I was like, I'm not letting you keep me more. I know what you're going to do I love you so much, dude. Seriously, this pod means so much to me. Like, it really does. And I don't think that I could have gotten through it without it. Like, I think this helped me. I hope that it helped

anyone listening. It might have been horrible. Wow. Oh, my God. Jalen in the red zone throwing it like it looks like a pick six. Sequin ran him down, but almost pick six. Wow. All right. I'm going to go. Tucker, dude, thank you for for this season. Tucker Bagley. Like we don't, I don't think we shout Tucker out enough. he is such a massive, massive, massive part of this podcast in all seriousness. Like this pod would be nowhere close to what it is without Tucker. Like Jack and I, like, we love doing it together. We've been doing it forever. But like Tucker is such a big part of this pod and has been such a massive addition

over the last few years and we freaking love having him. So Tucker, thank you so much, dude. And I know you're hurting as much as we are right now. And Ryan's boner, he came up with that. So thank you for that, Tucker, a true edition. I feel like it has to be a Ryan's bonner. All right. We're leaving. I got to go. I can't believe I have to do this.

This is the worst night ever. The worst night ever. Thank you, everyone. I love everyone. Listen to this podcast. We'll be back for some off-season content, obviously. But everyone who is with us this season from the bottom of my soul, thank you for suffering with us. And we love you. And we'll talk to you guys soon. He's some shelter.