High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - Saying Goodbye To Freddy Galvis And Hello To Carlos Santana

Episode Date: December 16, 2017

James Seltzer and Jon Marks discuss a big day of Phillies action, as Matt Klentak said goodbye to Freddy Galvis and hello to Carlos Santana. The guys break down the Galvis trade (to the Padres) and what it means for J.P. Crawford and the franchise moving forward. James and Jon also analyze the Santana signing and its implications for Rhys Hoskins and others. Lastly, the fellas discuss the Manny Machado rumors and what it would take for them to pull the trigger on a deal. See omnystudio.com/policies/listener for privacy information. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Literally, I think he might be in a tin can. Mr. Johnny Marks. Marks, what's up, brother? Well, it's Friday and the storm of the century was here today. I don't know how many inches the storm of the century is, but people weren't expecting this much snow. So I'm looking at an hour and 40 minute drive that normally takes me, oh, about an hour, so it's going to be a little bit longer. But yes, so I'm on the Bluetooth in the car. So if it sounds s***, I apologize.

But I'm not going to hold the phone up to my ear when I'm driving on snow-covered roads. So you're just going to have to deal with it. Yes, I think your safety is paramount to all of us so and also you're not getting it you ask there are people it's a good point that's a good point yeah i think opinions could vary there but at least as far as i'm concerned i'm worried about your safety so uh we'll roll with that and look uh you know we had to do whatever we had to do to get this out there because uh you know it's been like nothing all off season obviously a few rumors here a few things there and then wham everything comes down in the same

day johnny as uh uh we will talk uh let's do it in chronological order at least in terms of uh of how it played out today as uh you know this is a uh a marshawn Lynch-like podcast. We're all about that action. We are going to get back to the review previews next week. We'll do some catcher talk before we get to the outfielders. The outfielder is going to be a little more interesting now, as we'll get to in just a minute. But let's start with the Freddie trade, John, as I think, you know, obviously the Santana signing

is the other thing that we'll get to, and then we'll look ahead and see what it kind of all means moving forward here. But I think at least for most people in Philadelphia, they're going to feel the most connection to the Freddie trade. You know, a lot of people, whether you're like you and me, where we both agreed that we were very happy if they could find something to move Galvis for and to just give J.P. Crawford the reins at shortstop and let the kid, you know, move forward with the franchise.

But there definitely is, as you put it on the radio today, a lot of Freddie Galvis truthers out there as well. And look, I get it. He was a good Philly. I think he stood up in the locker room, obviously a great defensive player, a little more pop fun guy to root for. But you know, we talked about it i i think we're both pretty happy with this they get a uh uh uh padres prospect eniel de los santos john i don't know if you know this about me but i'm a huge fan of fun names to say julius chassin still my favorite to this day uh but i'm a fan of eniel de la santos but a 22 year old right hander six foot

three a little under a k per inning last year in the minors um uh number 15 or 16 prospect more or less depending on where you look in the padre system for what it's worth padre's a pretty strong farm system john uh we just talked about whether they would or wouldn't trade freddie uh in our last show, and now already it's happened. What's your general reaction to kind of the whole news coming down and saying goodbye to Freddie? Yeah, the last time we spoke, I didn't think that they were going to get it done.

And you know what it showed me that Klintock got it done? Because you're right, he's not even a top 15 prospect. I looked at a couple different sites today. I looked at a mid right. He's not even a top 15 prospect. I looked at a couple different sites today. I looked at midseason. He's certainly not a top 10 prospect. He does have some upside as a back-end starter. Like you said, he'll give up hits. He doesn't have the greatest

control, but he does have some strikeout potential. Maybe he ends up going in the bullpen, but right now he's viewed as a back-end starter. Anything that you're going to get for Freddie Galvis that you consider value at this point, it's good to me that Matt Klintak realized that it was time to move on and J.P. Crawford needed to be the starting shortstop of his team. And that's what he did.

So I think he looked at the landscape. The Padres were the most often team that kept hanging around the rumors with Freddie Galvis. I think quite that looked at the landscape and said, Hey, maybe if we hold on to them through the trade to the trade deadline, we can get a little bit more. Bottom line is you would maybe get a C plus prospect instead of a C prospect.

And the Phillies got a C C plus prospect. And I think they realized they probably weren't going to get that much more. And it's just better for this team if they moved on right now. So I'm happy they did. Freddie was a great Philly. I appreciate what he did here. He's been with the organization since I believe he was 16 years old.

Maybe he comes back at some point as a utility player. But as of right now, it's all about J.P. Crawford and the youth movement. So I'm excited to see J.P. as starting shortstop from day one. And you know I feel this way. And the youth movement. So I'm excited to see JP as starting shortstop from day one. Yes. And you know I feel this way. I was actually, when we did, at the end of our last show, I guess it was two shows ago, we talked about, will Freddie Galvis be the starting shortstop

at the start of the 2018 season for the Phillies? And I believe that both you and Fritz said yes, and I was the one who said no. And I didn't think it would happen this quickly, but just what who said no, and I didn't think it would happen this quickly. But just what you said there, the feeling felt like this team wanted to move forward with the youth, and Crawford is such a crucial part of that movement. And he's a shortstop. Like, yeah, you can fool around and put him at third because he's talented and he can do other stuff,

but he is a shortstop. He is a long-term shortstop. their stuff but he is a shortstop he is a long-term shortstop it just made sense to to me at least to to cut ties and move forward you know with this team as you want it to kind of shape forward and get him as many reps as a major league shortstop as you can you know so that when you are competing he's got you know 300 games at shortstop instead of you know 100 and whatever or whatever it is but uh regardless i think look if uh and we obviously don't know much about Daniel De Los Santos, other than he has a fun name, and, you know, what we've kind of read and looked up in the last little bit.

But, again, the Padres are. He just turned 22 on Christmas, right? Yes, he turns 22 on Christmas. So he pitched last year at AA San Antonio at 21. So, I mean, just to say that, listen, AA at 21 being a starting pitcher, that's pretty advanced. And that's me beeping my horn because I had some asshole that just started out in front of me. Anyway, yes, it's 21 years old pitching at AA.

I don't know what his upside is. He looks like he's got decent numbers. He's got a shot at being a major leaguer. And this point for freddie galvis i'm satisfied with that so i'm excited well exactly that cjp that and that's the point like for freddie like we talked about it i was i mean you know i wasn't going to give freddie away but at the same time like for the idea of just moving forward with jp i was willing to take a lot for Freddie to move forward. And if this guy becomes a fourth or a fifth starter, I mean, that's a steal, to be honest.

And obviously that's his high end, it seems like. It's probably unlikely he ends up being that. But I think to take a shot for, again, a guy who we all agree was expendable and is a very good defensive shortstop, but isn't a top half or even a top three-quarters probably overall shortstop in the league. Definitely top half. And from the Padres' standpoint, they needed a starting shortstop.

They gave up their 15th best prospect or whatever. It's a good deal for both sides. The Phillies are ready to move on because of J.P. Crawford, and the Padres are trying to win a couple games next year, and Friday has one year left on the contract. You don't have to worry about paying a big salary going forward, but I think it worked for both teams. Yeah, and if you think about how the Padres have kind of,

and granted, for better or worse, generally seemed to structure their teams. It's a big ballpark they play, and granted, they brought the fences in a little bit, you know they've always been more of a geared towards pitching and defense freddie seems like a fit there you know they're always a light hitting team out in san diego so um i think that makes a ton of sense uh who would have thought though because the freddie news comes down i have fritz texting me freddie with like six y's and i'm like, oh man, I can't believe it. And then not like an hour later, John, the Carlos Santana news comes down and we had heard the rumblings a little

bit. I can't remember if it was that guy in Boston, Nick Gaffardo, who seems to throw stuff at a wall and maybe hit one. But the Santana news came out. We talked about it on a previous High Hopes pod, kind of like that. I like Santanaana but it's a a strange shining but you said it when we did the first base preview you were at least of the three of us certainly the most adamant in the belief that hoskins not only could be an outfielder but that that you thought the phillies might like him there and and john you nailed this one yeah and i think i was on with John Stolnes of Felski Files. Specifically, he asked me about the Santana rumor, and I don't remember if we talked about it that much on here.

I know we did, but the reason why I thought that it made sense from the rumor standpoint is it's not a John Heyman, well, the Phillies don't have starting pitching and they have a lot of money, so I'm going to connect the dots and say the Phillies are interested in Arrieta and some other people think they have Reese Hoskins. So why would the name of Carlisle Santana be floating out there? It didn't make sense unless you realized that they were really, they felt like Hoskins could adequately play left field for the next three years.

So that's why I thought there was actually some smoke with the fire, some fire with the smoke um i i liked signing i i don't know what it means for nick williams or a doable or altair but i know what it means for this lineup and he's a gold glove caliber first baseman and he's he's gonna make this team better and in citizens bank park if he doesn't hit 30 home runs then it would i think would be disappointing yeah i think he'll probably i mean look he'll be around that number 23 last year 34 the year before uh and like you said i don't know if he's quite gold glove anymore but he's close i mean he's he's a really good first baseman a former catcher who you know can

handle himself you know is really good with with picking the ball for obvious reasons as well. And here's the thing. Look, we've talked about a ton where this organization is heading from a philosophical standpoint. And all you have to do is look at Carlos Santana's year-by-year on base percentage to know why they signed him. I mean, look, 46 games his rookie season, 4-0-1, and then incredibly durable. Hasn't played less than 143 games, games any season usually in the 150s but this has been his career 351 365 377 365 357 366 363 the dude gets on base and he gets on base consistently even batted lead off i think 150 at bats last year for the indians like um yeah so he's a guy who it just fits into that philosophy we've been talking about john like

that approach the plate about getting on base being your first priority where does he hit though what is the line like what is he i was trying to figure this out today because hoskins obviously is very patient do you use him for protection behind Hoskins, or do you bat him clean up with Hoskins as the three-getter? Well, here's the thing, and I think that's the most fascinating thing about Gabe Kapler being here, is I think anything's on the table from an analytical standpoint. Santana might lead off. It wouldn't shock me if he decided to have Santana lead off.

Now, I think we've got to see how the season shapes out. I think Cesar is still a really nice potential leadoff hitter as well. We saw the strides he made in, you know, getting on base, on base percentage last season and really the last couple of seasons as well. But I think it's going to be hard to tell with Kapler. And I think Kapler is going to be one of those guys who adjust the lineups a lot based on the matchups and the pitching. Santana switch hitter too, which we didn't mention, which is always nice. And he's one of those rare switch hitters actually, like who's really legitimately pretty close in terms of how good he is from each side of the plate. You know,

you usually see those switch hitters and it's usually that they're weaker from the left side than the right side. But for some reason, this guy, he's really good from both sides of the plate, John, you don't always see that. Yeah it's it makes things so much easier because you're you're thinking like are you have hoskins right-handed hitter yet managers love to have the flexibility of of either stacking right-handed hitters against a lefty starter or being able to go left right left right left right so you can't bring in a situational lefty and nail your lefties. Or you can't bring in a situational righty and nail your righties.

So Santana really in the middle of that lineup, him being a switch hitter really, really helps. Gives you some flexibility. Gives you a high on-base percentage. You can see what they're looking at here is they're valuing those things. It's not about just hitting home runs and hitting for power. It's about getting on base. It's about making your team better.

So you look at some of the young players on the team, J.P. Crawford and Reese Hoskins, what do they do well? They're high on base percentage. They're high IQ players. Carlos Santana's the same thing. Yes, it's exactly right. And he does have more pop from the left side, which is nice. But again, just a really solid hitter on both sides of the plate.

And again, I saw a lot of people, at least a few people on Twitter and whatever kind of complaining about the money and all that. That's where baseball is. We've kind of been shielded from it here in Philadelphia for a little while because the Phillies have not been good enough to actually pay anyone any money, John. And that has been an organizational choice. Obviously, you know, they have geared up for this. But look, they have money to spend.

$20 million a year is exactly the type of money that a guy with Carlos Santana's resume makes him majorly baseball right now, John. And it's three years, remember that. For all the bitching and complaining about Ryan Howard's contract, and I was one of them, it still was only five years. So when the Albert Pujols is ten years, or you know what I'm saying, seven years, eight years,

you get him three years for 60. So it's advantageous for that. It's only three years if you want Reece Hoskins to be the first baseman at that point in his career where he starts in 28-29. You can do that. And you're right. I mean, you look at the middle relievers they're signing. The middle relievers make it $7.5 million.

A set-up guy, a seventh inning guy is making $6-7 million. If that's the case, a starting all-star quality caliber, I don't think he's going to be an all-star anymore, but you know what I mean. A good starting player is going to make $20 million in free agency. So that's just, I think, fans have to realize that's the nature of the business today. Exactly.

And that's the key you just said, John. The three years is the key. And the thing with the Howard contract that was the real problem was that it was, yeah, only a five-year deal, but they signed it with two years left on the other deal. So it was like a seven-year deal in reality. And a $10 million buyout. Yep. deal so it was like a seven year deal in reality um but buyout yep and this i mean this has a fourth year that's a club option for 17 and a half million which you know theoretically if if

the way santana progresses could actually be a steal if they actually do want to do it but regardless that's in their hands which is nice and three years is really not that long a commitment especially for a guy like this who as we mentioned has been both so incredibly durable and also so incredibly consistent in terms of his approach to the plate his ability to get on base whether his average is high or low he's going to get on base and usually lower more than high um but and he's got some pop for you and like you said john uh you know we've we've watched a lot of not good baseball players here in philadelphia this guy's a good baseball player you know he here in Philadelphia. This guy's a good baseball player. You know, he's a good baseball player.

We got a good baseball player here. You know, I can't find it. Like, you know, I was not a move Reese Hoskins to the outfield guy. I thought he's a first baseman long-term, put him there. But I wasn't staunchly opposed to it like I was to, you know, the idea of Freddie playing shortstop instead of JP. I was much more against that. This, you know, he athletically can do it. If they believe he can do it and they can turn into it, great.

It opens up. I mean, if you have a bat like that you can put in the outfield and it gets you that better bat at first base instead of a weaker hitter in the outfield, awesome. All about it. It was all about who we're going to sign at first base like if you were doing it to tommy joseph could play first base no exactly down with that exactly so that's crucial and um but it does bring up an interesting point john uh that you mentioned

before and i want to get your quick take on it and then we'll kind of use this as a way to kind of lead into some of the other rumors and stuff. And real quick, you did mention middle relievers. We did not mention. Remiss with all this other news. Tommy Hunter, I do like that signing. He's a really good middle relief pitcher with a lot of stuff. And, you know, the deal they got him on, as we're seeing, John, with these other signings,

actually looks like a pretty good deal already. So, and again, another one of those candidates to flip. Pat Neshek's back. Two-year contract for Neshek. It's great. I'm good with it. I was mildly surprised that they got two guys. I know they're trying to bolster the bullpen because

they either missed out on some starters, which I'm sure they were trying to grab guys, and they just weren't comfortable overpaying to get them at this point. I thought we were going to see a lot of the younger guys this year in middle relief. There's so many young arms at the high minors. I thought maybe you were going to see some of those guys this year, but you can't argue with bringing in veterans.

And like you said, these are guys that could easily be flipped at the trade deadline. Yeah, exactly. When they signed Neshek, I tweeted out, like, Step one, sign Pat Neshek. Step two, trade him. Step three, repeat for all of eternity. So I'm all for it. But it does beg the question, looking back at this Santana signing and Hoskins, a clear everyday had thought this outfield looked kind of set heading into 2018. Obviously, anything can change, and it did. But we thought a Nick Williams, Aaron Altair, Oduble Herrera base of an outfield looked pretty solid. And now that's not happening.

So, A, who do you think is the odd man out at the moment? And, B, do you think they are the odd man out because another deal is still on the horizon? And B, do you think they are the odd man out because another deal is still on the horizon? Yeah, the latter. My initial reaction was, all right, well, they probably don't have enough confidence in Altair based on his injury history. And the Phillies shouldn't have all that confidence in Aaron Altair. When he's on the field, he's a pretty good player, but he hasn't shown the ability to stay on the field. So I can't blame Matt Klintak going out and saying, you know what, I'm not comfortable with it.

But that's a pretty strong signing to give a guy $20 million a year. Like if you would have signed an outfielder that's a starter, but, you know, kind of like a good starter, not an all-star level type guy. kind of like a good starter, not an all-star level type guy. I do wonder if they have something in the works where, I don't want to say Manny Machado, but somebody where the team's saying, like, hey, listen, we want a major league ready outfielder right now. They don't grow on trees. When you see trades in major league baseball,

there's not normally a young major league ready outfielder that can be dealt, that can be the starter the next year because their value is very high. The Phillies have not one but two in Aaron Altair and Nick Williams, and it wouldn't surprise me, if you're going to get Manny Machado, you're going to have to give up Nick Williams. You might have to give up both. Absolutely. Would it surprise me if they were Working on something It would not at all Yeah I agree that's where I lean

As well I think it's Unlikely I'll say that we go Into the season with Hoskins And all three of those outfielders on the team I think The most likely to stay like you Kind of intimated as well both Mostly more so because i don't know if

teams are as excited about trading for him due to the age and and he has a really good contract but it's not the you know club control that a williams or an altair has and the upside a low a lower upside but i you know i'm happy with that i think audible is a great player and i'm happy to have him here but i'm with you i think we will see something happen. And like you said, and let's lead into that there because the Machado trade talks and all that type of stuff is still very much on the table. We've been hearing a lot of back and forth. It seems that kind of where it's at right now, John,

obviously there are a lot of teams involved. Number one, first and foremost, the Orioles do not want to trade Machado to the Yankees, nor do they want whoever they trade Machado to to trade him to the Yankees. Obviously, it gets a little sticky, but that seems like something that Peter Angelos, the psychopath that he is, really cares about. But the Phillies seem to be one of the few other teams in on this. It does seem, though, like the Orioles keep asking for Sixto Sanchez in return.

How do you feel about this whole kind of situation? What are you kind of willing to give up here? And is Sixto off the table for you? Well, I've actually had more Twitter interaction with this Philly stuff today and yesterday than I have with anything else that I've talked about. So that's why I told people on the air today, James and I are doing a Phillies podcast because it's Eagle season and we can't talk about it that much.

But I don't think what I would be willing to give up is going to get Manny Machado. And unless there is an agreement that's worked out in advance to where you're giving him $400 million a year, which I don't, I mean, are the Phillies willing to do that right off the bat? Is Manny Machado willing to sign it? You're going to have to give him premium money if you're going to do it. I'm not giving up Sixo Sanchez. I'm not

giving up Scott Kangry. I'm not giving up J.P. Crawford. I said that there's another player that I wouldn't give up, but I know that you are going to have to give up some value. I would think Nick Williams has some pretty good value out there. Nick Williams would be a guy.

Adam Haseley would be another guy. Mickey Moniak, who I don't think has much value at all right now, I would try to trick the Orioles into thinking, oh, former number one overall pick, 19 years old, Moniak. I'm not giving up Sixo Sanchez. 19 years old, Moniac. I'm not giving up 6-0 Sanchez. Even if, James, if you're saying that you're able to sign him and you weren't working on a contract extension before, I think that we're having a different conversation.

But as it stands right now, I don't know about any contract extension being worked out. So if you're doing a one-year rental and you hope I get them here, that you're going to be able to re-sign them, I'm not giving up 6-0 Sanchez. I'm not. They're called prospects for a reason, and I get them here that you're going to be able to re-sign them, I'm not giving up Sixto Sanchez. I'm not. They're called prospects for a reason, and I get that, but I'm not willing to do it because I look at a Manny Machado

or a Mike Trout. Mike Trout has put up historic numbers. How many playoff series has he won? You need players around you, and if you trade all your good young players around you, Machado will hit 50 home runs and be the runner-up in the MVP, and the Phillies will be in second to last place. So put that in your pipe and smoke that, because I don't want that.

To quote the great Hal McCray, put that in your effing pipe and smoke it. I'm with you here. Look, I think that there's no zero chance, less than zero chance, that the Phillies would trade Sixto or Kingery in a deal like that without a contract negotiated in that 72-hour window. I just don't think that happens. Look, there's no reason to. He'd be on the market next year.

And also, the Orioles don't have that kind of leverage. They just don't because of that reason. Unless Machado is willing, like you said, you made that key phrase, unless Machado is willing to sign an extension, it all comes down to that. Because otherwise, if you're talking about a one-year rental and hope he likes it here and all that,

then you're right, John. It's a package based around Nick Williams and, you know, Moniak and Haseley. And I don't know if that's enough for the Orioles. I also don't know if anyone else is going to offer much more than that unless they have a guarantee from Machado. So it's a real difficult situation.

I think what ultimately will happen whenever it does happen, and I would think it happens before the season, but it could happen at the trade deadline. At some point, the Orioles will say, all right, there is a 0.0% chance that we are re-signing Manny Machado. Get what we can for him. And I hope that the Phillies are there for that moment. But I also think there's a non-zero chance that Machado does say, you know, screw it.

If you're willing to give me $420 million right now, I'll take it. You know, I avoid injury for a year, whatever it is. You know, I think that's a real possibility. And, you know, obviously you'd have to want to come here or wherever that, that deal would happen. But if that were the case, let's put that hypothetical on the table. You can trade for Manny Machado. He is locked in for the next, you know, whatever it is, eight years at four and 10 years at 400 million, whatever it is, nine years at 400 million, whatever it is,

you know, let's afford 35 million a year, whatever it is. I'm bad at math. What would you give up in that case? Oh, wait, I don't really,

six or 10, like, I just threw 100 miles an hour. Oh no, John, your tin can is sounding like a, uh, static filled tin can all of a sudden. Here, how about this?

I'm going to go first, and then we'll see how John sounds. This is how badly we want to get this to you. We don't even care about how bad it sounds. Two producers, former producer, producer, no less, which is crazy. I'm at the point where if Machado is willing to sign an extension, and I don't even care what the money is, that doesn't matter to me. I mean, he's going to get what he's going to get, and it's going to be big, and I think he's worth it. I think he's one of the five best players in the sport heading into the next generation, the next decade of baseball. He could play shortstop or third. Obviously, he'd play third here, but he's that good a defender and that versatile.

And, you know, I think that the price really is what it is. I think it's worth it to get that guy in here. I am struggling with the concept of giving up Sixto Sanchez. And because of what I said before about, I don't think the Orioles have the leverage, even if Machado is willing to sign, where they could – because they are in a bit of a tough spot here in terms of trying to move him. I don't think that there is any sort of –

I don't think that you should give up Sixto is what it comes down to because I think you take the shot that you can sign him in a year if you won't sign the deal. But I'm right on the edge with that, John. You know my philosophy that these kids, they're young and you don't really know, especially with pitchers and arms, but Sixto, I mean, the more you hear about him, the more you see the videos, the more you hear what people are saying about him and scouts and respected people. I mean, young Pedro is not a phrase to be thrown

around lightly in my mind, John. That's the best pitcher I ever saw with my two eyes, at least in terms of most dominant in the moment. But I think after that I'd give up Kingery and anyone else in the organization. Where do you kind of stand? Did the tin can fix itself? Yes, we got you. All right, good. Yeah, see, I would – man, I mean, I agree with you where I wouldn't want to – I don't want to trade any of these guys.

I don't want to trade a kid who could end up turning into what Pedro Martinez turned into and has the kind of stuff that is dominant. But I also worry about a slightly built pitcher that throws over 100 miles an hour. Yes. That you have a shoulder injury, you go from 100 to 95 to 92 to 90. He's a

young dude. He's 19 years old now. He was in Clearwater last year, so he's still in single A. A lot can go wrong between now and when you make it to the majors at whatever age. I know Kingery right now could be a starter in a starter and a difference maker going forward i can't say that about six those

so if i was asked who would i rather deal kingery or sanchez i would say six those sanchez kingery kingery is more of a sure a sure thing i agree with that i agree with six though that's true but at the same time like six-0's ceiling is so much higher. And I'm with you. And again, I always veer towards the conservative with young pitchers and arms. Look, all of these guys, they're doing stuff that the human body is not supposed to do. They're contorting their arms at speeds and angles and stuff and twists and stuff that you're not supposed to do with your body and thus you know that always scares me the one thing that i i keep hearing

and you can see it when he pitches but the the thing that really makes me feel good about Sixto is the ease of the delivery you know the fact that yeah he throws 100 but he doesn't look like he works to throw 100 even for how slight he is even for how slight he is, even for how small he is. It's just that kind of natural motion, kind of like Pedro. I get the comparison because that's kind of what that was. So I'm with you. Look, again, I say that if you put Manny Machado in front of me and he says, I'm willing to sign a 10-year contract with you,

come get me, I'm probably giving up whatever it takes. I mean, that dude is a top five player in the sport. If you trade sixes, you're not giving up all the prospects, but you're not giving up your other top five prospects. Sorry. Exactly. No, I think if you trade sixes, it's sixes and a lot of trash. I don't know about a lot of trash.

Comparatively. I mean a lot of lower-end guys, comparatively. You're not getting Sixto, and I'm trying to think of a top ten. Yeah, like you're not. You're taking a seat on the other guys. You're Altair. You're going to trade Altair and not Nick Williams, you know? I get it. You're going to make a big prospect. Tim Kahn is struggling again, Johnny. Oh, now you sound better.

This is great stuff here. 76 is so bad right now. They have me in the back rows trying to get that. Yeah, it's brutal, man. I feel like John Candy thinks all of them have built it now. I guess that makes me Steve Martin, which is fine. I'll take it. There you go.

There you go. All right, well, you know with that in mind and with the fact that um we kind of covered the kind of whole thing here just like a final thought a on the the day the phillies have had and also what you kind of expect it doesn't have to say they're trading for me machado but do you expect kind of more big moves coming, or is this kind of the big day and then some little stuff from here? I could see. I think that they're being aggressive and they're trying to make some stuff happen, but they realize that at this point in their journey of building the team,

it's not necessary. And there's no pressure. You can go out and you can make some deals and you can make some trades, but you don't necessarily have to. So they've had a real trade. I don't know what they're going to do with their outfield situation if they don't make a trade. But good there for the Phillies.

I give Matt Quintet credit. I like the Santana move, and they did what they needed to do to make sure that J.P JP Crawford was going to be their starting shortstop in the, in the beginning of the season. Cause that's really what needed to happen. Totally agree. I think this is a great day for the Phillies. Santana, great guy to bring in here. Look played in the world series a couple of years ago has played in a lot of

playoff games as well there. And you know, at least a few playoff games and certainly a nice guy to bring into this clubhouse. And like you said, it's all about the kids and, and certainly a nice guy to bring into this clubhouse. And like you said, it's all about the kids. And be excited about it, guys. I mean, you have J.B. Crawford. You have this guy we've been waiting for for years, a first-round pick, pedigree guy, and he's your shortstop,

your starting shortstop. You have Reese Hoskins moving to the outfield. There's all this excitement. I think it's a time to really be excited about the Phillies. And John, I think there are big, big, more big moves coming. Like I'm with you. I think that Klintak's aggressive right now, but I do agree with you. I think that they've put themselves in a nice position where I think they were really gearing up for the 2019 season, that off season and 2019 season. So they're kind of in a bit of a free roll here where they can take advantage

of opportunities that they see rather than feeling like they have to do something to, to, you know, kind of drastically over all things. It's a good spot to be in. Good spot. And their farm system's deep enough to where if they feel like they,

they want to do a Manny Machado trade and they can get him signed, you don't have to worry about him going on a free agent market and you're willing to give that half a billion dollars or close to what he's going to get and you're willing to meet 10 years or whatever he's going to get for that. We're losing you there at the end, but I think you said do it, and I agree. Do it, you know, if you have that opportunity.

And it's the, look, the Phillies, how much fun would it be to have a guy like Manny Machado here? Either way, it's going to be fun. We've got a real future. But you bring in Machado, man, the hype level just is going to jump off and it's going to be really exciting. All right, we are going to let John go back to his awful, terrible-sounding commute home and appreciate him taking

and making the effort here to talk through a tin can does. And of course, we'll be back next week. We'll get back to our preview and review. And obviously, if any more breaking news or big, you know, hot stove stuff happens, we'll definitely be all over it in the moment. So as we've shown, John will call from anywhere to make this podcast happen. So Marksman, thanks for calling him from uh, from, from the road, man. Appreciate the, uh, the dedication here. That's how you follow us on Twitter. Yes. At I hope spot. And, uh, again, uh, uh, perfect that that was only like two of the words we got. So I think that was a, a nice, uh, nice way to cap off the pod. Uh, so, uh, again, thank you, everyone, for listening.

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