High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - The Castellanos Conundrum

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

James Seltzer and Jack Fritz react to the Phillies struggles over the weekend and discuss what needs to be done with Nick Castellanos as his production continues to drop. Presented by Miller Lite. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We are so bad. I mean, this is, I I mean you guys didn't get I'm barely will do that you missed the show before the show but the the you know three minutes before the show even started we're like locked in right now this is as high hopes as it gets brutal series loss to the Orioles Wheeler worst start of his career as a philly we are back high hopes baby so yeah so ban london always and also like the schedule makers are a joke like it's a joke this is 2023 eagles talk we're getting in here let's go i actually got lit when i was when i was driving in i said to myself i was like i know i sound like elliot when i say this but. It's a dangerous way to say it.

It is. I never want to sound like Elliot. But it's a little unfair that it is, dude. It's unfair that they had to go to London and then go on a six-game road trip without a day off, by the way. I mean, one day off. It was Monday, but that's a travel day. One-tier drilling down your cheek.

If you're going to play in Boston, at least make it a two-game series so they have off Thursday. This team's tired. They're tired. I would just love to flashback to all the callers. Oh, the team, the Eagles are tired. And Jack's response to said callers. First off, the Eagles play once a week. Good thing. I like it.

But yeah, I think they're tired. I do too, actually. No day off again today. Back home.. I like it. Yeah. But yeah, I just, I think they're tired. I do too, actually. They're all tuckered out. No day off again today. Back home, right back at it. But at least Trey's back. So I think, I think Trey coming back is like the right level of, okay, here's the juice. The elixir.

Yeah, exactly. Because I just, again, they look tired. They do. And it also felt like they kind of gave everything they had on Friday night. Yeah, for sure. They did. So did I. Yeah, they did. So did I. Yeah, me too.

I mean, you know me, I'm up to like midnight watching a baseball game. That's all I got. But we didn't have to do post job tough. True. I wanted it was a fun. It was a that was a fun. If they lost, I would have said, All right, I'm Terry. Who's in studio?

Yeah, I'm not if they if they lost, I was not doing both. It would have been a tough one. For sure. Yeah. After the the play and then it's like the game could just be over and then we get the rain delay and it was like you gotta be kidding me that's another joke by Major League Baseball just call the guy out so you don't feel the rain delay that's what I'm saying like have a little foresight here

it's about to start boring like what are we doing and the next pitch Anthony Sondheim what if someone's arm fell off right after that and then it's like oh you ruined his career because you didn't just call the game I'm having a tough time like What if someone's arm fell off right after that? And then it's like, oh, you ruined his career. Yeah. Because you didn't just call the game. Yeah. So I'm having a tough time, like, overreacting.

I mean, that's not true. Like, again, if we do this podcast, I mean, you just said ban London. So you're not reacting at all. And then you said the Phillies are tired. You're handling it great. If we record this podcast yesterday i would have you know obviously said stuff that we wouldn't regret it but shout out to zoe for wanting to watch inside out which kept us from recording and definitely definitely not handling it well so i i missed the rob thompson

ejection because i had oh oh i had to go on a walk happy father's day you had to go on a walk. Happy Father's Day. You had to go on a walk. Happy Father's Day. Saturday, I spent... Sorry, walk. I got to go on a walk. Well, he came on the walk. Oh, okay. Yes, of course.

It was a family walk that was a blow off the steam kind of walk. Good, good. And Saturday, I was at my brother-in-law's and sister-in-law's and everyone's out at the pool in Jackson by yourself.

Yeah. And I'm watching them melt down Saturday, which they did blow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had it. So definitely not handling it well, but at the same time, it's like they're down. They're down two of their best players during an actually tough.

And by the way, the Red Sox slowly playing better. Red Sox don't stink. They're a fine baseball team. And the Orioles are awesome. The Orioles are one of the three or four best teams in the sport. You know? Yeah. I think there's four.

I think there's the four best teams in baseball. I think we talked about this on the podcast. I don't think we did. What, Yankees, Orioles, Phillies, Dodgers? Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too. I think those are the four. Well, the Guardians are the one where it's kind of hard.

I know, but they're not real. They're not real. They're like 47 and 20, whatever. 43're not when they're not making the world i don't think they are either i they're tough i agree with you i it look they're they're tough but i agree i think the four teams are the best i do think jose ramirez should be getting more mvp buzz yeah you're damn right he should i mean gunner is pretty ridiculous Gunner's pretty good. He's so good. And so is Adley. They're just annoying.

Well, that Adley home run, yeah. I was surprised at some of those home runs yesterday. Adley, I thought was a pop. The Westbrook one just barely got out. I thought that was a clear double. I was like, all right, double. It just popped off and got out. Would have been nice to see the Phils join the Jets.

Now, the Santander ones were pretty much no doubters. At Phils join the Jets. Now the Santander ones were pretty much no doubters. At least two of the three were. I still think Anthony Santander is the most underrated good player. Now he's officially a Phillies killer. You hit two game tie home runs in the same series.

Off of Matt Strom. Ending the Strom streak. Come on. That was so dramatic. He's really good against so dramatic. I know. Yeah, I know. He's really good against lefties. Yeah.

Really good. Santander. Santander. Is he a bank? All right. Yeah. It's the official bank of the year. I'm going to call him Santander.

I like it better. Don't you like Santander? No, I like, I think Santander is a way better. Yeah. Yeah. Santander.

No. Yeah. I like it. It's got like a ring to it. It name. Santander. No. Yeah, I like it. It's got like a ring to it. It rhymes. Santander. No. Anthony. Ant Santander.

Bang. It sounds like salamander. It does a little bit. You're right. Yeah, I kind of like that. What a podcast. The salamander. It's Santander's salamanders.

The sign, they're wearing salamander cups. Just don't ruin the way that I say Santander's salamanders. The sign, they're wearing salamander cups. Just don't ruin the way that I say Santander. Because the more and more you say it, I'm going to start saying Santander. They couldn't get Santander out all weekend. It was a joke. Matt Strom's a bum.

Yes. That was what I needed. Thank you. Good podcast. Is that what we're doing here doing here yeah we're just professionals good good professionals from day one but yeah it was a it's been an annoying week yeah and it really started with sunday in london and it really continued people that lost four straight road series it's wild yeah i mean four straight series period i mean they had not they had not lost one for what, like a month? They went without losing a series.

I know. They were just sweeping them all. Yeah. They still have swept more sweeps than last year already. I mean, come on. Yeah. Peaking too early? Peaking too early.

I am glad there's a little courage. Yeah. Look, they weren't going to go 116. I'm sorry. That record was safe. And I wouldn't have wanted them to go 116. No to win that much no it's too much and you're losing the playoffs you can't push that hard for six months and not take your foot off the gas i mean it's too much i mean the only team that did all that like set wins record and one that was it the 98 yankees the only team to ever do it. I'm thinking like all sports though, too.

Like, so you have the Bulls, the Bulls are the ones in the NBA. Like the Warriors came up small or they didn't get the job done. Yep. The 72 Dolphins, I guess.

But like, weren't the a lot of those games coin flips? I mean, it's impressive. And there's also 12 games. Yes, I'm pretty sure. So I think 14. Either way. No, the only reason they're on top of my mind is i saw larry zonka

was like interviewed this weekend he was yelling at the reporter but was he really great their team was good for you you know what i will give them credit like they the the poppin champagne is a great thing like that is good for you guys honestly good for you you know we own that they own it they're like this is our thing. And guess what? It's still going. It's actually why I'm mad at you. The 07 Patriots are still the best team I've ever seen. No doubt. Did you root for them in the Super Bowl?

I actually rooted against them in the Super Bowl. I rooted for the Giants. You are a New York guy. All-time travesty moment there. Grew up a Mets fan. No, stop. When'd you move down here again?

I was 12. You might as well be from New York. My dad went to Cheltenham. Hold on, man. You moved down here when you were 12? Yes. You think about all the New York-ness that's been infiltrated in you. I'm surprised.

Do you think there are people that are? My dad went to Cheltenham. What do you want me to do? I'm from, he lived in New York. I actually surprised. What do you think? My dad went to Cheltenham. What do you want me to do? I'm from, he lived in New York. I actually, I actually truly, well,

I am actually, I think growing up in New York as a Philly sports fan, forge me as a even tougher fan. Cause I'm around giants fans, Mets, the Mets were great then, you know, suck the Phillies.

I had to listen to all these nitwit Mets fans. You see, I went asking there. Yeah. Nitwit Met fan. Oh, Darryl Strawberry. Doc Goodman. I'm talking listen to all these nitwit Mets fans. You see how I went asking there? Yeah. Nitwit Mets fan. Oh, Daryl Strawberry. Doc Goodman. I'm talking about Steve freaking Jelts.

So, yeah, it was tough. And you know what? It forged me. It made me what I am. How did you watch Phillies games? You didn't have the package back then. I didn't when I was like seven, eight years old, six years old, and I didn't get to watch Phillies games often.

We went to the vet. I went to like eight games a year. My dad would slap us down at the freaking vet. So got i was at the schmidt retirement game i was the god freaking carlton retirement game i was at all these games i met ricky jordan on the field one time it was a freaking thrill that's what i did i went to the vet i went to the vet that's how i watched philly's games i drove to the freaking vet from new york so full disclosure did not think you would get that fired up about that but i appreciate you going there. I take it seriously. Yeah, it's good. No, because again, you are a New Yorker.

Like I don't claim being from Delco when I moved from media when I was five. That's right. I'm a Chester County man. Yeah. Everyone knows that about me. Everyone does. Everyone knows. Yes, they all know it. Chester County is fine. Yes. Yes. Everyone knows it. Yeah. All day, every day. So you are a New Yorker.

That does stink though so like hold on so yeah would you go to watch eagles games yeah well that sunday you could make games work we used to go to sports bars i used to go to eagles bars to watch the games and all that oh yeah how would that how would the sports how would the eagles bar get the eagles game like again this is like bro i don't know how it worked but yeah this is way back when but it works they were able to make it work i don't know how again did, but yeah, this is way back when. But it worked. They were able to make it work. I don't know how. Again, did they have- The satellite.

I think it was the satellite dishes. Like the actual satellite dish that you actually put on the top of the building. Yeah. Nice. Pretty good stuff. Learn a lot about Seltzer. I know. I know.

I don't think you're a New Yorker, but- Yeah, it's good. I'm happy for that. It's good. We'll never let that go. Are you going to move on to something else? Why? You're leading the show.

Just following your lead. How are we talking about this? Baltimore Phillies weekend. Somehow we're discussing the match. Yeah. Well, because they, because it was brutal. Now, Friday night was fun. Friday night was like, I was sitting there Friday and I was like, this is just the game

of the year. Friday. This is a high level. We went from the game of the year to, you know, two of the worst. Friday was, was like high level baseball. Like it was two heavyweights. Phillies obviously depleted. The Orioles not.

And like, yeah, I think Kimbrel doing the ear thing to the booze drove me nuts, drove me up a wall. But Friday was awesome, man. Friday was really what you kind of thought the whole series was going to turn out to be. Totally. It was basically Friday and half of Saturday felt like a series.

And then yesterday happened. And really the last few innings on Friday, too. They pulled away. It was like, we're not winning. Yeah. But yeah, the fact that they... I thought they showed a lot of... I think they... It kind of reminded me... the whole series reminded me of the marlins game before the all-star break

last year where patria hit the home run oh yeah yeah and then they just kind of took the last two games off yeah i like that that was the game of the year up to that point it was awesome yeah it was it was awesome so i just again they're down to their best. Wheeler wasn't great. Like, do I expect that to be the new version of Zach Wheeler? I don't. Of course, it had to reignite the stupid Garrett Stubbs can't catch him thing. I know. Which drives me crazy.

I know. I also, I feel bad because I was like, oh, now he's starting the All-Star game on Friday. And now he's like Ranger. No, you did. Yeah. It was my fault. I get a lot of people say and also apparently did I say something about Cassianos being good in the

outfield because people are blaming me for the error. I was like, what? I'm even surprised that was an error. It was a horrible call. It was like he threw it to home. It wasn't like it was that didn't make sense to me at all. Well, and I would just wish Major League Baseball could correctly

understand the gravity of the moment. That's one of the most precious streaks in the history of baseball. Now, luckily, he's going to break the Ripken streak. So I think that's a little more important. So we can kind of let this go because he's got this other great thing going. It can be as impactful and as important. He's got this other great thing going. Right.

And, you know, but we as impactful and as important and especially like the eye test really does back up how good he is in right field that 400 plus games there. Like letting that die, maybe throwing to the wrong base. It's outrageous. I hope someone should step in and say, hey, for the good of the sport. It's a good point. Change it around so that, you so that we have DiMaggio. We have Ripken. We need Castellanos.

We need those three are going to be etched in the Mount Rushmore of Major League Baseball. Until it's Castellanos twice, which is going to be wild. And then that's how we get to the Hall of Fame. They have to etch over Cal for another Castellanos. Throw some hair on it. Castellellanos is brutal he's so tough like it's hard to watch him it's just brutal and he's like maybe if he's not batting too it's just like the fact that he's batting too yeah and thank god for turner thank god trey's coming it's it's ridiculous i know he's been better the last month than prior ever he's batting 215 or 210 or whatever i mean and again like i know it's not always you know apples to

apples he's making 20 million dollars like i can't like also why is it that that this one guy gets to say well i want to play so i play i'll bet you you Bryson Stott would like to play against lefties, and I know he's stunk too. Well, we'll get to Bryson. Yeah, but I mean, at what point do you, I don't know when you cross the threshold of you get to decide that you play every day. I guess it's Nick Castellanos.

I mean, it's so weird. Do you remember a guy who you think could benefit from a couple days off more than Nick Castellanos right now? Is there anyone who could maybe benefit more more from just clearing your head not worrying about going up and doing something you're horrible at right now I I agree I just I mean it's unless I think that loses them I don't know how that's possible I think you need to take it out of his hands like just because he wants to play doesn't mean he should play the chips are already down how much worse can it get like we're we're at the bottom, the bottom of the barrel.

Again, Nick Castellanos has been, now he was pretty good last year in the postseason. Obviously, the first play, again, we're trying to build a Nick Castellanos. It is wild. We're trying to build a Nick Castellanos Hall of Fame case right in front of us. He's on a list with him and Reggie Jackson. That's it. Those are the two guys on the list. He's going to chase down Ripken for the most consecutive

games played streak. He never makes errors in right field because he's a stalwart out there. He is the only... Him and Reggie, the only guy to have multiple homer games. He's the only guy. He's the only guy to have them back-to-back. He's the only guy to have, I think, four homers or five homers

in three games, four homers in two games. More deserving of the Hall of Fame, Nick Castellanos or Nick Foles? No, I think here. Anyway. Nick Foles, stone-cold Hall of Famer. Well, Nick Foles is one Super Bowl away from being in the Hall of Fame. You're right. Find his way on a team.

Right. One great game away. Yeah. Like the Castellanos thing, i just i i don't know again if if this team hadn't had the runs that they had in 2022 which he barely contributed in and hold on oh let's not forget like the 2022 thing we were talking about moving him down the line of me wouldn't we were talking about taking him out of the line and he wouldn't and and that is a big reason if you want to point the reason they lost the world series that's one of them nick cassiano's one of them but he is i mean he's

lucky that they've had the runs the last few years just people oh he would be like public public enemy number one he would be he might not be able to show his face in the stadium seriously if they didn't make the playoff let's say let's say they're they're a middling team let's say they didn't have these runs they don't make the playoffsoff, let's say they're a middling team. Let's say they didn't have these runs. They don't make the playoffs. We're still in this drought, and they're on pace for 82 wins, 83 wins, or whatever. Yeah, man. He might not be able to show his face.

Nick Castellanos would be getting, if he didn't have these playoff moments, these things to ingratiate him to us and any dessert, he did come through in those spots. He has been a big part of this culture, this thing that we love. But again, it's Philadelphia. He's making $20 million, and he's one of the worst hitters in the sport? Yeah, dude. He would be getting destroyed on a daily basis. He wouldn't be able to go out there.

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As you prep for your draft, let us give you the coverage you need. Follow and listen to Reception Perception on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. There's been a lot of talks. Jim Bowden keeps saying that they're looking for a starting outfitter and a fourth outfitter. He ain't messing around. Which is interesting. And again, when you have this opportunity like they have.

Go for it. There's four. Again, there's four real teams. I don't count the Guardians. Mariners maybe if they can get someone. But I think it's those four teams, and this is their World Series year. You can't have that.

The outfield production is so lackluster. It's unbelievable. And it seems like Rojas is going down, which is fine. What do you make of it? Well, the way that Gale wrote it, it seems like it's almost... It's done. It's a decision. It's done. No, no.

What I mean is that it seems like it's not just his play, but also getting picked off second base. It's on Friday night, not scoring from home because he doesn't have a good secondary lead. Yeah. I think they want him to go work on the little things. Because again, if you're not going to hit. Even the fielding, we've seen it with him.

The little things that kind of taking it a little lackadaisical on balls, the kind of, you know, the one hand, I know everyone just doesn't catch his one hand and now it is what it is. I get it. But like, it does feel like even the, I think it's an attention to detail thing on all fronts. Yes, I think that, and they want, because again, if you're not going to hit, like you got to do everything else really,

really well. You got to be great. So, and you know, whatever, Pache and him are basically the same player. Pache is probably better like definitely better to play but whatever absolutely better yeah so interesting though you kept bringing up marsh playing more center field than the minors jackie i oh man no one no one's got a better finger on the heel for these things that's right so yeah marsh is in center field yesterday obviously with doll it's just like i'm fine trying it for a little bit i guess i'd just be more surprised than anything if like doll and maryfield is good enough in left field i feel like they're using a lot of or like and listen we're both dominant and that's. And it's good that he got a hit yesterday. But it feels like a pretty big, like, okay, they must believe in something with Dahl

to have him basically be the starting left fielder with him and with. That's a big jump from a guy who got picked up off the street. There's a minor league free agent that was doing well in AAA. And let's be honest. Dahl's had some nice moments. I think he's won for his last 15 or something like that. He's not been great. Dahl-Merryfield is

tough. He's definitely shaky. He's definitely shaky. Now if we're talking 2019, let's go. 2019, Alfield's fine. And Castellanos in 2019. That's when he was a Cub. Castellanos in the Cubs was the best hitter in baseball straight stud so man the outfield is just it is it's it's nerve-wracking right now because

it feels so lacking well and especially it's one thing when stats kicking butt and granted boom had a great weekend and it looks like he's eating right back up eating right back up but again boom you know just went through that struggle harper's harper but when i mean getting turner back is huge but they were relying on sosa coming through on boom being really good they need stat to be better if the outfield is going to be that bad like there's no margin for error boom can't struggle stat can't struggle if you're not you know what i mean like it's and with jt out you know you lose not, you know what I mean? Like it's, and with JT out, you know, you lose that,

that, you know, and again, JT is not the best hitting catcher in baseball anymore, but he's a hell of a lot better than subs and Marshan. So when you lose that, that drop off there too, you need something from those outfielders.

You're just not going to get a profit. No, no. And hopefully Marsh going back kind of gives him a little bit of a spark, but I think, I think we kind of know what Marsh is at this point. Like he's 265, really strong against lefties.

Yeah, good against righties. But, you know, he's a nice player. So, and the Stott thing, it's weird because I haven't, sometimes you feel players' struggles. I feel the same way as you do. I just, like, it's like, everyone's like, Stott's been horrible. I'm like, look at the number. I'm like, yeah.

Yeah, it's been. I guess he kind of has. Yeah. And I will say the one thing I'm like, yeah, yeah. I guess he kind of has. Yeah. And I will say the one thing I've noticed, cause you're right. I haven't felt it as much as you would think as the numbers imply that it's been,

but I will say I lately have been the Rojas thing we talk about. I've been feeling that more with Scott where it's like the balls off the bat. I'm like, Oh, and then I'm like, Oh, it's a fly.

It's a, it's a weak fly. Like it feels like the ball's not exploding off the bat the way it used to. And it's a lot of just weak ground ball. Yeah. It seems like, oh, and then I'm like, oh, it's a fly. It's a weak fly. It feels like the ball's not exploding off the bat the way it used to. And it's a lot of just weak ground ball, it seems like. So, yeah, the stop thing is definitely becoming a thing. And, you know, people, and I heard you guys talking about it on the way in today, and I was of this mindset, too, before it's like, dude, he's at 235. Sosa has to get some second base starts, too.

He has to. And I think against tough lefties, he will. I think if it's a tough lefty, is your second base oh yeah yeah i think that's gonna happen regardless i just wonder if it's gonna happen against righties too it could i mean if that doesn't start hitting soon like because it's not just the start struggle it's that whether you like it or not you got to find ways to force those in the lineup if you keep hitting i mean homer again this weekend like the dudes that i'm not i'm just i'm not saying that it's a lock that he will but i'm saying if he keeps hitting you have to, homer again this weekend. Like the dudes that I'm not, I'm just, I'm not saying that it's a lock that he will,

but I'm saying if he keeps hitting, you have to, you have to figure it out. He's definitely starting to cool off. Like, I think he's two 14, I believe in his last since like June 1st. So he's definitely cooling off,

but like, at least there's something there. Like there's, there's a threat. He's hitting some home runs. Yeah. And, and Scott right now that he had the hit on Saturday,

which was, which is good. It's just a lot of weak contact a lot of weak contact and he like he cannot be a 235 like he needs to be in the two six if he's not going to be a power hitting second baseman like he needs to be between 750 and 850 ops and batting between 265 and 280 yeah that's That's what he should be. Yeah. 235 is like, he's too good of a hitter. It's unacceptable.

He's just too good of a hitter. And the walks have been good. It's nice to see him walking more. You love that, but it's got to be combined with actual hitting the baseball. Do you worry that the, the, the walks is like,

it's kind of looking to walk more than I was just going to bring that. Yeah. Cause that's what it kind of feels like. It almost is hurting. And that's what sunk Castellanos in the first. No, no, I say that a

bit tongue well not really talking to you but the beginning of the season he was trying to like yeah he was he was be a patient hitter now he just swings first pitch all the time yeah i can't do that equally as exciting yeah every time i i cannot stand first pitch swinging i know it's like just work a little bit i know like short where when it's the first pitch home. I know. It's like, just work a little bit. I know like short where we need to first pitch home run. The game is the best thing ever.

It's cool, but like, man, it's just, it's excruciating. Well, especially when it's every time.

Like it's like, it's one thing to like, you know, be selective. Yeah. Cause Bryce is so good at like working down just to give it away

in the first pitch. So, but yeah, I just, so it's a, you put the outfield glove away for a little bit. Let's just focus on

maybe some second base here and see if like getting style off his feet gets him going. You know what? I think there's such a correlation. It's like, oh my God, they sat Boehm one game and now he's back.

It's like, dude, I would be surprised if that's really that big of a deal. And we always talk about it. I think it's also just different guys and different things and different moments. Like, yeah, maybe, maybe this was a perfect spot where boom really just needed a blow. And like that happens. But I think there's also a lot of times where you just give a guy a day off and doesn't do anything either.

You know? So I think it's, it's all dependent. Exactly. Exactly. Like, I like as much as I, it's more, it's more just grading and just grading and like it bothers me that he just plays every day almost for my own sanity. Then do I really think like they get him a day? And look, it's more of a why the hell not? Like, give it a shot.

It can't be worse than what we're doing now. But do I really think Castellanos gets two days off, comes back and he's awesome? No, of course not. Like, I don't think it's going to do anything. But it's like, freaking try it. The problem for the Castellanos thing right now is that he's batting two. I know.

Castellanos batting six or seven. The first, when he was horrible to start the year, it's like, well, he's batting seven. Yeah. But he's found his way. I feel like he's batting cleanup or two, the vast majority of games over the last month. It's the magnifying glass that I think that comes with the second spot.

Because it's so important. It's arguably the most important. He's always top five. He's never out of the top five. Ever. You'll figure it out. Yeah, of course. I just, man, I don't know.

I don't know what they do. They've gone so far down this, like, we're just going to let him play his way through it. They're not going to, like. They're not not gonna change oh yeah i explain 162 man dude if he plays 162 again tears will be shed let's let's bet right now the over under is 161 and a half do you think he hits the over the under because i'm gonna say over i think he's playing every game this year that is my prediction i'm gonna take the under the under'm going to take the under. The under. The under. But even that, I'm talking about deadline-wise.

Are they going to have to have a sit-down? We're going to have to go get someone better than you, and you're a platoon guy. I don't think they will. I don't think they will. I mean, they should. Of course they should. Absolutely.

I mean, David Dahl's been better at bat-per-bat basis. It's been a week and a half. I'm not saying David Dahl should been better on a bat per bat basis. Like, it's been a week. I'm not saying David Dahl should play over Nick Castellanos, but I'm saying that, like, they could absolutely find someone to play right field who will be better than Nick Castellanos. I just don't think there's any chance they're going to do it. Again, I think it's more likely he plays every game. Can they? I wonder if it gets to the point in the offseason where it's like,

okay, we'll attach a real prospect. Well, I think that's a different situation. I think once you get to the offseason the off season where it's like, okay, we'll, we'll attach a real problem. I think that's a different situation. I think once you get to the off season and once you're out of this moment, would you, well, that's a whole different thing. Again,

there's a lot of factors to this and, and the clubhouse stuff obviously matters. Like it matters to us. It matters to them. Like it's real. So you also have to pack it up. I know that's the point. Like at a certain point,

you can only say like, he might be the greatest guy in the clubhouse. The guy can't hit. Like, are we trying to win a World Series? Are we trying to put together a freaking, you know, a bunch of places you want to hang out? The Castellanos conundrum.

Yeah, it is. Oh, are we going to go conundrum back-to-back pod? We are a conundrum pod. Yeah. We are a conundrum pod. Yeah, I just... Please start hitting the base. Yeah, I just. Please start hitting the base. Yeah, OK.

Like make everyone's life easier because it's going to start again. You start you're starting to feel it, right? I mean, you're starting to feel the Cassianos turn coming. And again, because he's batting second. I'm trying to hear some stuff.

I think it's just one of those things where we just have to hope that Cassianos has one of is hot when the playoffs are happening and we get another potential because he can do that he can go on these runs i know but i just think that we all have to be ready to the castellanos is gonna have some big at bats in the postseason and and it's gonna anger us and we have to hope that they those at bats don't you know decide the playoffs because it's gonna happen he going to come up in big spots and he's going to be casting. This next month in 13 days

until a trade deadline is like it's excruciating. It's exciting. It's exciting because like you know, again, I think we talked about this last pod like we haven't felt a trade deadline really since 11. Well, well, besides trading Hamels and no, no, no. Yeah. On the

positive side, like one go out and help us win a world series side just saying it's exciting a nice sell-off trade deadline oh it's great it's a whole different thing but yes there's throw especially for you i mean that's like come on man getting into jackie wheelhouse i still think they could have got mookie in 2014 trade hamels a year by the way moookie I know I was watching what happened to and it pummeled him and I'm like that's bad yeah it was like you know how like you can kind of see it like Bryce when Blake's now hit him like guys know and like you could tell Mookie knew he was like this one's not just normal like this is a problem and and it sucks for

baseball yeah it's good for the Phillies sort of i mean he'll be back and he'll be back but look i mean that is it that's a dangerous injury like come back and hit for power is dangerous sure my worry is that this forces them to be like all right let's go get well that's the concern is they're gonna go freaking exactly yeah yeah yeah well now all right so the trade down ending and then we'll get to the take back but by the way someone on this podcast has been in on the trade deadline since may 1st. That's true. Yes. Tucker has been talking about it nonstop. That's true.

With this concept that we're talking about right here, literally this idea of there's other teams out there in on this too, like Dodgers. I think it's actually a really unique year in the fact that not only is it the Dodgers and the Yankees and the Orioles at the top who, like we talked about before, the two biggest spenders theoretically. The Yankees haven't been when they've been, but theoretically the Yankees and the Dodgers, the Yankees and the Orioles at the top, who, like we talked about before, the two biggest spenders, theoretically,

the Yankees haven't been when they've been, but theoretically, the Yankees and the Dodgers, the Orioles with every prospect on the planet to trade. And then the Phillies sitting there with this group of three. Then you take in the fact that literally all except two teams in the National League are within two games of a wildcard spot. Like the Rockies and the Marlins

are the only two teams that are outside of two games. Two games of a wildcard spot like the rockies and the marlins are the only two teams that are outside of two games two games from a wildcard spot so you have to have both sides to make trades happen the lack of sellers and even the american league a lot of teams still in it you know the west falling apart who knows but still in the wildcard hunt like how do you think that like affects this whole dynamic because it's like a small group of buyers and and a small group of sellers and a bunch of in between yeah well obviously the it's gonna cost more to get all these guys probably which is probably terrifying yeah or if you like Andrew Painter fan yeah yeah if you like those guys it's and it's I mean again it's why Davidbrowski has paid the big bucks. Like you. There it is. There it is.

You got to decide. That's why he gets the big bucks. Who are your keepers? Is this, it should be an all-in year. It feels like an all-in year. I think it has to be. It's good for baseball. It stinks that both the Yankees and Dodgers.

It's so annoying. Like, really? Like, could we just get one of them? Like, could the Dodgers have an off year and we could be the Phillies-Yankees year? Could we? But I actually think, I think the Phillies farm system has more interesting prospects than,

like the Dodgers have a guy that's probably going to be, and then this is Robert Orr, who's brilliant. But like, you know, I always have to give him some credit for things. It's tough when you have to give credit.

I know. I'm not a creditsman at all. I'm not a creditsman at all i'm not a creditsman but the um there's a guy that's lower level dodgers prospect that's going to be one one i guess in a couple in like a year is that good so but other than that like did you tell me the dodgers have the guy who's going to be the best prospect in baseball yeah yeah within a year sweet within a year really once jackson. Sweet. What's his name? I don't know.

I gotta look it up. Okay. But, um, yeah, so like, but I think like right now the Phillies have more tradable pieces than like, I'd be more interested in like the Yankees just depleted a lot of their guys. They did.

For Soto. Yeah. The Dodgers, they've been trading guys every single deadline. Now they signed Shohei and like they used a lot of money. And signed Yamamoto and all that. So, and by the way,

Yamamoto also. Hurt. Yeah. It's another one. Yeah, it's true. Not season ending, but it's an injury. And signed Yamamoto. And by the way, Yamamoto also. Hurt. Yeah, it's another one. Yeah, it's true. Not season ending, but it's an injury. And the Orioles obviously have like, I mean, the Orioles are the Orioles.

So like they can trade forever. The Orioles can win any trade negotiations if they want to. Yeah. No, they probably won't. Now they're not, you know, I don't think they're as like they, I think the Orioles feel like their window's a little bit bigger than the Phillies and Yankees. Yeah. Yeah.

So, but I think for the first time in a while, the Phillies have competitive pieces that like could swing deals if they, if they want to get it done. So again, they're, they're in a really healthy spot as an organization. What are you putting on the table for what player? And I think you have to put it on the table.

I like, I know this is Kyle Tucker is actually whatever it takes. Give me Andrew painter. Plus it's whatever it's done. Yeah, if Kyle Tucker is actually available. Whatever it takes. Give me Andrew Painter Plus. It's whatever it takes. That guy wins you World Series. You win the World Series. 100%. Why'd you put Tucker in the middle of the lineup? Not Bagley. Not Tucker Bagley. No offense, buddy. This is the better Tucker. He goes to the number one. He's the number one

Tucker in the city. Yeah, he would be. Easily. You would have to change him. You might have to. Yeah, you could go Bagley Tucker. You could go last name first. So you could kind of be like him as an odin because he's i mean like i would buy a jersey yeah oh well that's yeah yeah you do have a pj tucker jersey that's tough yeah well he did yell at you well one time oh yeah that remember when that was gonna having tal tucker having pj tucker around here now punching the microphone. Now they got a dog. Yeah.

This will bring the toughness out. But man, is he really available? I don't think so. Is Kyle Tucker really available? Well, here's why he could be. Could be. Berlander's all. Berlander's done, I think. Yeah, I think he's done.

Yeah. I think he's done. And then, you know, they have enough pitching if they want. But, like, Presley's 100 and pitched a million postseason innings. Bregman's probably going to walk. They just released Jose Abreu. Yeah, they just let him go, which is crazy. Like, Altuve, he's going to hit until he's 50.

It's unbelievable. He's awesome. Awesome. But, like, again, when you go for it as many years as they have. Absolutely. I mean. You're going to give up prospects. Yeah.

And your window is going to end eventually. And it feels like they're at the back end. And I feel like if you're the Astros, given that you like did the process, but the right thing, you actually nailed it. Nailed the process. You're much more prone to be like, let's just do it. Let's just try it again. Let's just do it again. Because it's dude, I'm just, if they got Kyle Tucker,ucker i mean it would be the best thing that's ever happened in my life

outside of walker outside of walker and jill and family sports wise yeah it would it would be ridiculous it'd be so great and john little to pay another 400 million dollars yeah it's true come on a few more years right tucker's i think he's got a couple hard years like this year next that's it i thought it was three it was, right? Tucker's. I think he's got a couple of years. This year. Next. That's it. I thought it was three. It was thought it was two more after this. So he's got. Okay. All right.

Yeah. Well, you know, pay the man. He's worth it. Sure. He's worth it. All right. And also the gold glove defender. The whole dude.

He's he's awesome. And he's a big postseason home runs. Yeah. No, he's been there. He's not. Yeah. No, I. He's my top.

Top. Come on, Kyle. All right. Take back in a sec. Shout out to our Miller Lite account of the week. Been there. He's my top, top, top guy. Come on, Kyle. Take back in a sec. Shout out to our Miller Lite account of the week. Today's show is sponsored by Miller Lite and Three Monkeys at the Toursdale Station. Check out Three Monkeys for every Phillies game and enjoy three-hour Miller Lite drafts along with

Northeast cheesesteak egg rolls with Cooper Sharp. Yes, please. Miller Lites for Phil's win. Celebrate responsibly. So, obviously, a lot to get to in the, in the old take bag, the old take bag. I love.

And so I, again, I didn't see it live because I had to go on a rage walk. Uh, the, the topper was so funny. I like, I didn't,

again, didn't know he had that gear in him. I didn't either. Honestly, he like, I knew I thought he was going to get thrown out. Like I, as soon as he had that gear in him. I didn't either. Honestly, I thought he was going to get thrown out. As soon as he walked out, I'm like, alright. I actually thought he was going to get thrown out multiple games of the last. I thought he might get thrown out of a Boston game.

It felt like we're kind of getting towards it with the way the umping's been. It felt like we need a topper rejection. I need one. They got screwed by the umpires. They got screwed this week i mean even the freaking wheeler against gunner henderson the first about of the game like the whole thing but i didn't know that he he would go that far like he was like was there a weaver i mean he was

like like red in the face like when the head when the hair when the hair yes i didn't know that i i'm with you i just didn't know he had that gear in him as a human. It was awesome. So great. By the way, for him to go there, he had to be really mad. Also, I thought it was a little Mickey Mouse by the umpire. To go back at him. Are you kidding me?

That was unprofessional. It really was. The umpire's job is to defuse that situation and to back off and to not get into it with him. I am so with you mickey mouse it was it was mickey mouse it really was but man again i heard you guys arguing this morning i can't have robot robot on yeah well it was the yeah that's the best argument by the way it's been a tough week for the anti-robot it's been bad yeah so i'm sticking to it i know i know well the point is that one time that Tabra got thrown out all year

which will be the only time he gets thrown out like that or the like 8,000 times a year where like that call sucked and I'm mad about it now. Sure. It helps really sometimes

to let everyone know it goes both ways. It does. It does go both most often all of those weeks. It has not felt that way at all.

It is not. It's like more one of the more one-sided weeks from that person because I agree with you. It usually evens out. It's felt very one like more one of the more one-sided weeks from that person because i agree with you it's it usually evens out it's a very one-sided sure everyone's once again major league baseball out to keep the fills down that's true i mean what do you expect they're like no no no no the yankees are the team that we want everyone talking about there you go boring philly yeah that's right i know everyone's down i know people are a little disappointed in the baseball team.

It is weird to be like, it's like everyone's like down with quotes. It's like, we're all not idiots. We get it. They're 25 games over 24 games over 500. I'm not going to freak out, but it is funny to be like,

we're all down right now. It's bummed. Sir. Anthony is back. He's back. Sir. Anthony's back. So Jack Fritz brought him back.

Very happy. I don't think you get enough credit. I said this last spot. So Jack Fritz brought him back. Very happy. I don't think you get enough credit. I said this last spot. I think you deserve all the credit. I would say like a tiny, a tiny portion of it to like Caleb Cotham and Brian Kaplan. Small, small,

tiny little piece of Sir Anthony gets the credit. But I would say the law, you know, if it's a pie chart, it's like the little slivers that way. And then the rest. Yeah. And we're monitoring Gregory Soto.

Another nice outing. We're monitoring. Use your powers for good. Turnbull looked pretty good yesterday. He did. I was on my rage walks.

To your point now, all I think about when Turnbull comes is a Turnbull coming in an 8-3-game pitch and inning. I'm just like. Yeah, it's disappointing. I feel bad for him. Yeah, dude. I find myself feeling sad for Spencer Turnbull every time he plays.

Yeah. He's going to get maybe a pretty good deal. It feels like a White Sox, right? The White Sox give him money. Can you imagine? Yes. And Alec Baum, I'm happy that, okay, it's still there. Yeah.

I mean, it was so early April, Boehm, where it was just like, oh, he's up in an RBI spot. Dang. There's a double in the gap. So they need that, dude. Like, you mentioned, he has to be good. And they're going to get reinforcements at the deadline. I wonder if they're going to get someone as good to be the four hitter i mean that's obviously a goal would be

nice yeah again it's not anti-bomb which is if he bumps everyone back a spot and get like a like a big power big classic rbi guy um in that spot it would just be it would be huge but it was good to see boom so i can like kind of calm down for a little bit. Also nice to see him, he's talking about the Segura thing and all that, but I like seeing him get pissed off and react that way and be like, all right, you're going to walk Harper to get to me?

Cool. I want more of that kind of attitude from him. Maybe we got to find reasons to get chips on his shoulder. Is there anything we can do to kind of mess with Alec and make him feel like there's an get chips on his shoulder. Is there anything we can do to mess with Alec and make him feel like there's an extra chip on his shoulder for some reason? I don't know. We'll figure

that one out. Should they cut Whitmerryfield and bring back Segura? Whit? Segura? If you put that Twitter poll out right now, it'd be like 95%. Out of baseball. Out of right now it'd be like 95 out of baseball you'll be 95

percent bring back it wasn't I see him comment on the I liked it yeah and look I like the Alex shouting him out like it like it's clear that dude mattered to this group and yeah you know they had one World Series trip with them one World Series you're right they're over without um the

Whitmerryfield thing because we're getting those without them. The Whitmerryfield thing, because we're getting those calls. They cut Whitmerryfield. They're not going to. They're not. They're just not. It's not happening. I said today on the air, 0% chance. I was like, it's not zero.

I'm like, it's 0%. Today, they're not cutting Whitmerryfield. There's not. A month and a half from now? Different. Different. But I'm saying today, he was talking about the roster move corresponding with Trey Turner coming back.

Could they cut Whit Merrifield? No. 0% chance that they will not cut with Merrifield. But what do you make of the Merrifield thing? Because to your point, they showed it with Didi, Familia, that kind of stuff. They've done it later in the season, but $8.5 million they gave this guy. With an option for next year. Yeah.

I'm guessing that one won't get clicked off. What do you make of that like do you have any hopes that whitmerryfield's gonna figure this out or is that do you think it's more likely in a month we're saying they might cut whitmerryfield like where do you think this is heading i think more likely cut but i have not given up hope yet that is tough i haven't given up hope i know but that but you basically said, I'm pretty much giving up hope, but I got a thread left, but they're probably going to get caught, but I'm still kind of...

It was a very weak, hopeful endorsement of Whitman. Thank you. That's what I do. Weak hope is one of my calling cards. Yes, that's right. Weak hopes. Welcome to the pod. I'm just saying.

Kingery just saying he is one Kingery very wrong all I thought about while Kingery is hitting home runs is the dream I had before the season Scott Kingery was going to save the season. Weirdest.

Like, I can't. Yeah, that would be something. We'd have to go back and get the audio. Dude, just saying. It'd be a thing. It'd be a real thing. Just don't let, don't let, don't let Scott Kingery heat up with, you know, feel that seat get a little warm. That's probably because Kingery's

coming. Yeah. How do you fall off this bad? I mean, Whitmerry feels horrible. Scott Kingery's coming. Yeah. How do you fall this bad? I mean, Whitmerryfield's horrible. You got Kingery? Yeah, what, I mean,

I'm surprised because I chalked up a lot the Whitmerryfield struggles at the end of last year. To not be an everyday guy. No, no, I thought it was the groin injury.

Oh, at the end of last year. I'm talking about the beginning. Yeah. To the groin injury. He was hitting like 315 before the groin injury. So,

he had the groin injury and that, you know, derailed his season. He ended up batting 270. So he had the groin injury and that, that, you know, derailed his season. He ended up batting 270. Maybe it's the new role thing. I, I,

I just looks like the power is kind of just like any like power zap from him. So I guess it's, he's one of those guys that has to play through things and you never realize that because he's a Royal, like they can just go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. Good. Go ahead. But I do think, I mean, full disclosure, I think he had a royal. Hey, Whit, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

But I do think, I mean, full disclosure, I think he had a pretty good week for Whit Merrifield's standards. I mean, he had the big London series. Big series, yep. He walked a couple times and had a couple hits. He had two hits in one of the Red Sox games. Wow.

By the way, they said, I think on the Wednesday, or on the Thursday Red Sox game, I think that's when he had two hits. They were like, yeah, that's Whitmerryfield's third two-hit game of the year. And I was like, no way. No way. What? This is no shot. This is the first time it's happened. It's the first time ever.

Because he's so, he's perfect for what they need. Again, if Whitmerryfield could be frickin' Whitmerryfield, they'd be fine. So annoying. It is. All he has to do is be Whitmerryfield. Even broken down old Whitmerryfield would be fine. This guy's not that. No, he's be fine. So annoying. It is. All you have to do is be with Merrifield. Even broken down old with Merrifield would be fine. This guy's not that. No, he's not.

He's not. He's not. So again, a glimmer of hope that he had a good week, but not super in on the idea of him like going on a run here. Yeah. So if you had to bet, you bet he's not on the playoff roster. Wow. And that's tough.

That's tough. Well, because they're going to make their deadline. Yeah. The point is, is he has a month to figure it out. Sure. Because the whole, like, we need a starter and a fourth outfielder thing. Guess who that fourth outfielder is replacing? I mean, they're both kind of replacing him, but you know what I mean?

Like you're not going. And Sosa's develops. That's my point. In the infield. You're not going and getting a starting. So you got your starter, your set, another start and another backup. And it not influencing Whitmerry. It just will.

The other thing, if he does heat up, is also the stop thing. Yeah, obviously. I mean, he is the second baseman by trade. That's pretty good. So, again, I hope he heats up. It would be much better for the money spent. Yes. You don't get the money back.

Believe me. We've got a lot invested in right field and number five starter. I don't need another eight and a half million. It is funny, too, because Dombrowski has done an empirically, inarguably unbelievable job here. And we talk a lot about, I think, really the stuff that he doesn't get enough credit for is the infrastructure behind the scenes. You always talk about the Yankees way.

We have a Phillies way. And Dave Dombrowski has created this way of going about business from drafting, developing, the whole thing. And he has been one of the most important figures in in recent history in the philadelphia phillies franchise and even he misses on so many of these it is wild to think about whether it's wit we mentioned from neil you mentioned like you know like these just contracts these misses that he had i mean castellanos is like just for the money like the the return on investment is a disastrous contract i mean the 5100 for that guy is a disaster but yet you know more wins than losses and you get to be here and i think i think

nebraskis has a uh a bad cooked meter you know yeah for real like he just yeah kimbrough wasn't i was about to say kimbrough wasn't that wasn't fair he wasn't cooked he got cooked by the end but he wasn't cooked that was a good sign what i mean ultimately for 10 million dollars you got your money i agree with you it was it was a good time as i'm jamming my pen into my eye i'm with you so yeah i uh yeah so i hope he figures it out i'm not super hopeful but man there hopeful. For a team that's as good as they are, there's definitely pressure points of conversation about is this going to be good enough in the biggest moments of the season. And then, final thing, Father's Day was not totally ruined

because Aiden Miller won. I saw your tweet. There it is. He crushed it. He did. He smoked that ball. Especially because it's a hard ballpark to hit. He's like what we wanted Boehm to be. And I love Alec Boehm. He looks like he's like, actually that guy. He's going to hit 290 with 35 home run type of guy. Probably more of a power hitter. He looks like more of a power

swing. This is an idea that I texted James. I said, I have a bit idea. But who knows if people would actually show up? Yes. And if people don't show up, I won't show up, for starters.

I'm not giving this night up for no one to show up. Right. Yes. So Wednesday, July 3rd. Yes. The Jersey Shore Blue Claws are headed down to Wilmington. Wilmington's pretty close. 30 minutes outside the city.

Not bad. It's July 3rd. It's the day before July 4th, obviously. Most people are off. Good dates. Thank you. We're thinking about an impromptu High Hopes road trip

to Wilmington to cheer on adan miller let's go yeah yeah and i was thinking i was like would it be lame if we stole the yankees roll call and just just did like adan miller over and over again it's also for justin crawford we would do that and everyone hopefully george clausen but again it can't be me and jack exactly yelling to ourselves it'd be so embarrassing yeah emily and zoe said they're in if we're doing it so and it could be just a family trip yes it could be so i guess the best way to say this is we'll we'll we'll put in the legwork for it we'll try to communicate with the blue yeah we'll figure out where to meet well jack will leave his show early that day, we think.

I think so. He's got to get the okay from the bosses. I got to get the okay. I think that'll be okay. I could show you where a guy hit a ball off me when I was 13 years old. Oh, that's worth it just for that. Off the wall, by the way. It's a 13-year-old.

13-year-old with a ball off the wall there? Yeah. He's a second-round draft pick eventually. That makes sense. I did have him struck out, but, but the stupid umpire. Oh, you know what it is to suggest maybe if they had had robot, Legion baseball,

and you could be, instead of telling the story about the guy, the second round pick who went off the wall, you could be telling the story about when he struck out the second round pick. Well, in my head, very different story.

I still did strike him out. That's true. I did. It was terrible down the middle. It's not my fault. You can't see it. Nope. So, well, pick well in my head very different story i still did strike him out that's true i did it was terrible down the middle it's not my fault you can't see it nope so will you come so will you come so i guess the the easiest way we'll put up a twitter poll yes and and like definitely tweet at jack of the two of us right definitive. Definitively. Or email. The high hopes pod at gmail.com. Again,

the high hopes pod. So the T H E. Yes. I hopes pod at G. Now I know people are saying that's just the, but I take the, from the Ohio state university. Oh yeah.

No, it's the high hopes. There's no question. It's the high hopes. So I think it'd be fun. I think it'd be fun if we got like, I don't know, 50 to a hundred people. Yes. To go cheer on A miller in wilmington and uh i don't know make

a little bit out of the whole thing so we're we're we're in like if you're in we're if you're in we're this is on you now like right right right we uh we have we have cleared the evening we have uh you know that it's available we'll be there tucker we just committed tucker to be there tucker just went i don't think so tucker's in that's tucker's in are you so let us know if if enough people say they're in we're doing it it's that simple so let us know yep awesome all right uh that it that is it i was going to talk about the draft but you can no it's not sure no you came in today drove in we were going gonna do it online and you're like i'll be there so i you know if you need if you need about a month okay i'll get there

you know what i did notice we didn't really talk a lot about nick pabetto on the last pod was there anything you wanted to throw out there well correct the phillies for for again being able to take down one of the best pitchers in the AL. I just wanted to make sure we got that in, because I realized that was delinquent by me. We talked about the series, and I didn't really bring it up. It's funny. I'm like over the Pavetta thing. Yeah, as you should be. Because I already won.

He's not a major league career. He's fine. When you were all in on him, he was nothing. He was not. Will this guy be a major leaguer? He's a major league career. major career 340 right before that started here's what i mean he should send you some cash if we're being honest i mean that guy's made a lot of money by just being in the major leagues throw a few shackles your way i'm just saying but it does not need to do that but the he's not

I acknowledge you no no that was so old it was old does that happen now? probably different very different it's your Tommy and me

yeah yeah yeah it's beautiful it's a beautiful moment don't fall on your face this week Very different. It's probably different. It's your Tommy and me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nick and me. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful moment. So, uh, don't fall on your face this week. The Padres are slowly playing better.

They are. And they are, uh, technically a playoff team. One game under 500. One game under. My boy, Randy Vasquez on the mound tonight.

Yeah. I love Randy Vasquez. Yeah. Years ago. And I, I just know that Luis Arise and Jackson Pro. Uh, Arise is going to kill us. They're going to drive me nuts. Oddly, Mike Schlitt

got thrown out of the game yesterday, too. I wonder when the last time two teams have come into a series with their manager getting tossed the Elias Sports group. Where is that? Tucker, I thought you were doing your job. Once again, you're not allowed to come to Wilmington, now, Tucker. That's right. But you're coming to Wilmington.

All right, we'll be back after the pod series until then, peace for it's themselves. We'll see you next time.