High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - The Emergency "Oh My God the Phils Won a Playoff Game" Edition of the Podcast

Episode Date: October 7, 2022

James Seltzer and Jack Fritz react to a PHILLIES PLAYOFF WIN! The guys talk about a magical day in St. Louis and much more. Presented by Miller Lite. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is the High Hopes Podcast. High Hopes! It's a bunch of baseball nerds talking about the Phillies. On Odyssey and Sports Radio 94 WIP. No! It is another edition of the High Hopes Podcast. I can't believe they won the game, the six-run ninth inning at Jack Fritz. I didn't even know if I would have a voice for this podcast because I yelled at the top of my lungs

with the gene hit, with the Sosa slide, with all of it. It is the most intense, exciting sports watching experience I have had since the Super Bowl, Jack. Like without a doubt, nothing has been closed. Sixers playoff games, Eagles playoff games, none of it matches this. And this is the first game of the first round. Baseball playoffs are the best, dude. And we finally got to feel it again today. Like the intensity, the hanging.

I did not miss a single pitch of this game. I freaking made Emily go pick Zoe up at work. I made Emily go out and walk the dog. I made Emily watch Zoe the entire game. Like I was like, I just, this is it. And it lived up to all of it. And we're actually, you and me definitely were texting thinking, you know, we were going to be doing a, a bummer of a pod and it couldn't be further from that, man. Like I I'm like, I'm shaking right now, Jack, I'm honestly shaking. I let me one

more thing. Like, honestly, we talked so much about how it was like, I can't believe they're back in. The feeling is so amazing. I felt it even more as soon as the game started and throughout the game because you don't forget what playoff baseball intensity is, but you kind of forget what it is when it's your team and it's been 11 years and there is literally nothing like it in sports. Jack Fritz, what up, buddy?

Dude, I gave myself a headache. Like I gave myself, I think I created a fever. I don't know. I was so locked in, so nervous. And I got to be honest, like I was starting to map out like the whole, you want to know how much of a loser I am, is that I started mapping out like, listen, all right, listen, Housley pitched like 30 pitches.

They went through Gallegos. Oh, for tomorrow. You're already looking ahead to tomorrow. I get it. Yeah, I was like, okay, well then. Well, you definitely, in our text uh exchanges you know you were definitely the one of us who was really dour yeah but dude that freaking ninth inning i haven't like i haven't felt something like that you said it's a super bowl and like i agree with you. But from a Phillies perspective, I mean, the Howard Homer off Loesch, yeah.

Obviously, the holiday no-hitter. Honestly, it's a holiday no-hitter. Jack, I was thinking about this exact thing. Like, obviously, like, 09, you had those moments, and obviously getting the World Series and all that. But, like, and obviously, 08 is packed with them, like we always talk about. But I honestly think the last time we had a high as Phillies fans, a moment, a magical thing as Phillies fans

that was like the ninth inning today was the holiday no-hitter. That's it. James, I mean this very seriously. This is not meant to be taken. I'm shaking, dude. I'm like shaking right now. Honestly, that ninth inning made this the last 11 years worth it. It really did.

Like waiting forever and that being our first game back. It's such a great point, dude. And Gene to get the hit. Gene, of all people to come through in that moment, the guy who waited as long as we did. Like, come on, man. His whole career was he started in 2012. He waited with us even if he wasn't with us the whole time.

I know. And, like, it felt like the city was hanging on the edge of their seats. And when people say baseball is boring, I'm like, sure, but wait till the postseason. And there is just no freaking way that you're sitting there in the ninth inning. Gene does that. They come home. They make it 3-2.

Arenado, what happened, buddy? What happened? What happened, Nolan? Oh, and by the way, Yachty, cute little tactics in the ninth inning to try to extend that game and get a reliever in there. Absolutely cute. Hate to see something like that backfire to an all-time legend. Oh, real quick.

Hate to see that happen. Jack, real quick, because honestly, the fact that it's five minutes into this podcast or whatever, and we haven't done this, speaking of all time, right? Can we talk about all time? How about the all time best fans in the world filing out of the ballpark in the top of the ninth inning, Jack? You are losers.

Absolute losers. You are front runners. You don't know what real baseball pain is we've seen real baseball pain that was incredible does that that game makes up for game five in 2011 it does that that game is avenged to the day you're right you're right the secret we talked about it going in but you're right like that's that's what that. That was like the exercising the demons of that day, especially for it to be like the same game until then. Right.

It's like the exact script. Obviously they had one more run and the starting pitchers didn't go quite as long, but like, it's the same script and then for the Phillies to literally flip the script is unreal, dude. The Phillies never win that game. Like, the Phillies are... I have sat here for the last 10 postseasons

and watched other teams do that. What a great line, Jack. Well, think about it. The Royals in 2014, when they came back, or 2015. Greats last year doing that stuff. The Nationals against the brewers with uh trent grisham in right field like oh yeah we have spent the last 10 years being robbed of that we have been robbed of that feeling and god it's just it's so nice to be back and they did it

they were the ones that did it. We don't have to. Listen, I mean, obviously one of the worst broadcasters of all time. Oh, my God. What a disaster. Like, dude, the Franski calls. They were ridiculous. He's the best.

They're all the way back. The Franski calls are incredible. And it's just we've waited and we've waited and we've been dying. And the first eight freaking innings were excruciating. And I was pacing around my house. And, like, Wheeler was unbelievable. Nolan Arenado hit a ball that I swore was, like, eight rows deep. That was the longest non-home run I've ever – I mean, the most sure –

like, the wind literally stopped it in its tracks. Like, everyone in the stadium, Arenado and the announcers were all like, well, that's gone. And then Juan Yepes comes off the bench, and it's Jose... Who, Jack? I know.

And it's Jose Alvarado who gives it up, who's had, like, one earned run since July. Yeah. And no homers since, what, was it June or whatever this was? Ah. And then that knife inning. We're going to talk about that knife inning for a while, and we're going to talk about little baseball moments that add up.

I listened to your eight-minute montage of the greatest Phillies highlights of all time today on the Midday Show, and yeah, I'm not afraid to admit that I started weeping at the end or started tearing up. I did too, dude. I welled up completely, and I honestly think it might be the best thing I've ever been a part of in sports. Like, that thing is magical. And now you're going to add the ninth inning to that.

The Jane single. The Sosa slide, man. The Sosa slide. I can't wait to hear the Franski call of the Sosa slide. Well, and shout out to Topper in that move. Dude, big time. Pinch running for both. you want to talk about shout out to topper like topper managed the pants off marmal today like marmal played such a big role in the cardinals losing the game the decision to move on from quintana when he did the decision to bring helsey in for his five outs or

trying to get five out like all the decisions along the way made no sense and you can quibble with the wheeler thing i want to get into that a little later the decisions along the way made no sense. And you can quibble with the Wheeler thing. I want to get into that a little later. But for the most part, like Topper nailed it today. And that Sosa decision was massive. Yeah, because it allows. Boehm doesn't score there. There's a 0% chance Boehm scores.

A 0% chance. The one part, and again, the one part that I was thinking in my head was like, okay, fine, but if this is a tie game or you go up and I would want Sosa in there for his defense anyway, but I would obviously rather have Bones bat in the lineup. But that's a ballsy decision, and he went for the kill. I mean, he went for the kill, and that's what he does, and that's what he's continued to do. Especially when it was the fourth run and not the third run.

The runner on second, if that's Boehm, it's such an obvious decision. But for that extra run, that's not as obvious a decision, and it mattered so much because if Sosa doesn't score there, who knows if the momentum of the inning carries them on to six runs. And look, they scored a run in the bottom of the ninth off-fifth line. We could easily see if it's a two run lead, there are one run lead there. It's a very different potentially situation. So that was like a really,

really big thing, Jack. Yeah. And again, that's just trusting your guys. And it is nice to have it at Mundo Salsa back. Yeah. I like that a lot.

I think he, I think he brings a good energy, energy to this ball club. I'm so with you, dude. And honestly, James, like my,

my biggest takeaway other than the comeback and the win. Well, it's me. I'm so with you, dude. And honestly, James, like my biggest takeaway other than the comeback and the win, well, I mean, it's all in one. That is the takeaway, yeah. It is the takeaway. But, like, that's one of those wins where it's like you start getting a little team of destiny. Yeah. To put it in yours and neighbor Dan's terms,

that's a video yearbook game right there. Like a real video yearbook, not the sad ones that the two of you have watched. I mean, that's the saddest thing that happened. Of all the things that have happened, of all the games we've watched, you and neighbor Dan and whoever else is as sicko as you two, and I have not met anyone else yet, but I'm sure there are a few others, not many, but you guys watching the 2013 video guys watching like the 2013 video yearbook and the 2015 video yearbook and like these just horrific like time capsules like probably the saddest thing that happened over the 11 years jack well i watched the 08 one this morning so i was

that's a totally different i was in good spirits but you guys were watching those you know but but but like to finish up on the point it's that like them coming back and winning that game like again this is the first time all these guys have been in a big game besides like schwarber you know like wheeler's never done before alvarado's never done before robertson's done it so robertson's included um but then you get to the offense schwarber been there hoskins never been thereT, never been there. Bryce, never really been there. Boehm, never been there. Castellanos, never been there.

Like, Gene, obviously never been there. Stodder, like, up and down the lineup. Vierling or Marsh. But them able to do that, it just creates such a mentality in the back of your head of, like, we're not dead yet. We're not dead yet. And that is so, that cannot be understated enough after this win like it cannot be talked about enough just what that does when it comes to belief and and believing in yourself for guys who haven't done it before and you have that little

naiveness in the back of your head like we can come back we can come back we can come back and it was so refreshing james it was so refreshing because for the first eight innings, I was like, guys, the wind is blowing in. You're not hitting a homer today. I know Juan Yepez did whatever, but you've got to put the ball in play. You've got to find gaps. You've got to think line drive. And they did it.

They did it. Now, boom, he got hit, so obviously that helped. Yeah, LZ helped. But credit, right? Like, you're absolutely right about that, Jack. And, you know, it's a really interesting point about the they almost, like, don't know what they don't know. And they almost don't know, especially, like we talked about,

like all that pressure going into the playoffs, like breaking that drought, I did think took a lot off them. And they were the looser team today. Like I know for eight innings, it seemed like they were super tight and whatever. But like they were the team that when the pressure was the tightest, when it mattered the most, they're the ones who got hits and took pitches and made smart decisions and did great base running. That like ultimately when the game was on the line, the Phillies put up six runs, man.

And yes, the Cardinals helped and all that. But like, the Phillies absolutely deserve credit. And to shout neighbor Dan again, it's funny, he just texted me. He said that he wants me to ask you if you thought the Phillies' chances of coming back in the ninth were infinitesimal. And it's funny because it really did feel like that, right? To every single Phillies fan. And Jack, real quick, before we move on with credit,

because like, come on, we're super deep in the pod considering that we have not credited one of the two of us yet. So I just want to say, you know, in light of my Nightingale article and all that, I just want to read you something that never left the drafts, but with one out in the ninth, this tweet was composed by yours truly. Just a disastrous showing from the bats especially the top of the lineup they are absolutely the reason we lost have to be better tomorrow or it's over fingers

crossed lol go phils ever since that tweet the phillies scored six runs jack and won the baseball game so like i'm not like gonna say that's why but i just wanna you know with the nightingale article we talked about a lot i just want to get that out there well good job not pressing send on that um well i was just prepared the funny thing is is i've had and i never do it anymore but in the past like years in the past i've had real bad luck with like getting ready to open, not even tweet something, but open Twitter to tweet something about a win. Especially because, as you know, I'm always behind everybody. So I'm always like kind of like itching to not be too far behind. And I've had disastrous luck.

Whenever I go to tweet like, oh, great win or whatever, they always screw it up in the past. So I've like stopped doing it. So today I was like, eh, they're losing. You know, no harm. May as well just get it ready just saying yeah well and i learned my mistake too uh because when they went up six two i started like aggressive i started like thinking of things i wanted to tweet like i wanted to tweet about yadi being a fraud for uh you know trying to stall there and that's exactly what they deserve and then i was like you know what but then they're gonna turn around and say no that's exactly what you deserve. And then I was like, you know what, but then they're going to turn around and say, no, that's exactly what you deserve.

And it was a nice little reminder, you know, Zac Eflin allowing that run in the ninth is a nice little reminder of like, don't do that. Don't get ahead of yourself. Don't fully, you know, dive in and believe. But, you know, they did it, buddy. They did it, man. And again, like, I know we talked about the top but i was just opening my notes because i was like all right let's like talk you know let's get into the stuff we took notes and not just pure emotion but i just when i look at my notes and i see the top thing it was what i wrote at the beginning of the game like as you know first inning stuff and it's just like excitement and nerves and and it's that thing that i said before about how like

the 11 years felt even longer once the game started jack like i didn't think it could feel longer than it did living it and then finally clinching and that weight being off and like we all said the town was right back in i think we all felt it like we all just needed them to officially get back in the playoffs for everyone to be like oh thank god we could be excited about the phillies again and it felt so long the 11 years felt so long when that happened i felt it so much more once the game started jack because like i didn't forget what playoff baseball was like but it i almost forgot what it was like to watch my team in the playoffs and and to hang on every pitch to that level and to literally again not miss a pitch like i was like i i wouldn't go to i held my pee

for a for a commercial break because i was texting someone during commercial break and i was like i i wouldn't go to i held my pee for a for a commercial break because i was texting someone during commercial break and i was like oh crap i wanted to pee guess i gotta wait till next summer like there was just no messing around like and and it was just so like beautiful like really beautiful as a sports fan to feel that especially jack after all that we've suffered through and the amount of i almost, bleepy baseball we have watched over the last 11 years. Like it was a real validation of it all today, man. Like throughout the whole game, like the bottom of the six, like even before the ninth, like when it was zero, zero, like I really felt at the bottom of the six when they got out of that, the double play to

Pools, that Pools moment when Pools comes up with the, you know, with first and second and no outs and like that place is ready to lose their minds and then they get the double play and they get the out after and it was just like you know like that felt so special to me it was the most intense sports feeling I had felt in such a long time and then to be able to like go through the roller coaster of going down to nothing and then coming back and winning it like unreal all right I want to get to a couple decisions because you know we both like Wheeler was great you know playoff Wheeler was was exactly what we hoped he would be where did you stand in the moment on the the Alvarado decision the Wheeler decision because I do think that if they go on to

lose that game that's probably one of the major talking points and I do think it's like a lot on both sides or a lot of people thought you shouldn't take Wheeler out. A lot of people were totally fine with it. And personally, I'll just tell you, I was fine with the decision. I wouldn't have done it. Like in the moment, I'm like, I think I'd let Wheeler battle through this. But Alvarado's been amazing.

Like I can't quibble with it. Where were you in the moment? This is something, you know, obviously you usually have a really good feel for. Where were you at in the moment with that decision? I would have let Wheeler finish finish the inning yeah like me too i i was texting people i said i would give him one more batter you know if he gets on then you pull him but if he's rolling he's rolling and i i honestly think i think getting out of the six and the pool house thing was like okay i'm good i'm locked in like you could trust me and

i would have and this isn isn't revisionist history. That's how I felt at the time. I would have left him out there, especially because, like, Carlson – so bringing in a lefty, like, you flip Carlson around, but he's better from the right side. So it's like, well, I don't like that. And I just – I trust him against Dickerson. I know he was obviously going to pinch hit Juan Yepez or someone.

Someone, yeah. No doubt. I would have left him in there, personally. You know, and it's fine because it worked out. But then I was thinking more like, it seems like an early spot to use Alvarado because I was thinking about – We both talked about wanting him to be the closer, him and Eflin to be the eighth, ninth, or whatever.

I'm right there with you. But also to be fair, maybe if he had gotten those outs quickly, he might have come out for the eighth knowing Thompson with Alvarado. Yeah. I mean, he could have. I was just thinking like it feels early. I would like him later in the inning or later in the game for hopefully, you know, hopefully bigger outs. Totally.

But at the same time, like, Juan Diepez got a cutter that was right down the middle of the plate. And Jose Alvarado made his first mistake in three months, maybe. So, like, it's going to happen. It was honestly, the thing that was frustrating to me from that standpoint was, you know, the at-bats were frustrating. You know, heading into the ninth, one through five were 0 for 15. It was exact. I mean, let's be honest. Again, that's why I wrote that tweet.

And, you know, obviously it changed. But, like, if they lose this game, like, we might talk a little bit about the decision leave we learned. But we're really talking about the offense coming up completely small, and especially the big guys who matter. We're talking about Schwarber. We're talking about Harper, who that walk was big, but it was also more unhealthy, I would say, than anyone. But Harper did not look great today, and I think that was pretty clear.

That was something that was funny I was thinking about earlier when you were talking, and it's funny, a little inside baseball with the pod. I make notes before, but i'm really bad at like doing notes as we talk because i really like focus on what you're saying and i try and be really locked in and it's like nice miller light um by the way shout out to miller light the most important miller lights for phil's wins uh we love you miller light and tweet it out yeah and they won in bush stadium so oh yeah. Proving who matters the most here. Score one for Miller Lite.

So, whatever. You know what's funny? Is that through the beginning of the game, I was like, oh, I had some beers. You know, they're light beers, so I was fine. Like, the buzz was completely gone by the ninth. Oh, it's so intense. Like, it's like sobering. It's sobering. It's such a good way to put it,

dude. So funny. So the inside baseball thing is, is sometimes as Jack is talking or the pot, I don't take notes and there'll be things I really want to say. And then by the time I, I, you know,

I'm speaking, there's something he just said that I'm locked in on. And I responded, I forget about it, but I'm happy about it. Cause it reminds me like, it's so funny. Cause watching this game today and it played out that it. But I'm happy about that because it reminds me, like, it's so funny because watching this game today, and it played out that way.

And honestly, if you look back at the season, like, I felt so much more comfortable in the big moments in any moment with the bottom of the line, like, from bone down up in Veerling style. Like, those guys up in – and those guys had the best at-bats all day. And it's funny because we played obviously played that ultimate montage was amazing but we also played a ton of of uh i put together a montage of the season that we played when they clinched and we played a bunch of odds today and it's so funny because if you think about like the biggest moments of the season

it's not and it's veerling and it's boom and it's the kids you know it really is wild how you know that carried over today. And the guys who had the best at-bats, the guys who seemed the most confident in a playoff game, were those guys at the bottom of the lineup, really, six through nine. Yeah, and Gene. Well, I said that's what he's part of it. I mean, I know he's not a new guy, but I was saying, like,

from Boehm to the bottom, like, six through nine was the key part of the lineup today. Well, I would just like to say that I think it's time to put Gene in the Phillies daycare. You know? Love it. He's got that attitude. He's like a kid at heart, you know? He's a part of those guys.

And like him and Stott clearly have something. I think, like you could argue, he's the guy who changed Bryce and Stott's season and career. Who knows, you know? Yeah. But, you know, I'm making Gene an honorary member of the – Love it. That's an official high-ups position now. Yeah, because you're right.

I actually had the same thing written down in my notes. I was like, I would much rather have Boehm, Vierling, Segura, Stott up than, you know, the one through five, which is a shocking place to be at now. Thankfully, to their credit, they really buckled down the ninth. They had some good at-bats. Even Castellanos. And Castellanos hit the ball hard. That line out to third was tough.

It was just to add somebody. He wasn't as horrible as I expected. He still is doing that annoying. Look, it's like I'm trying to frigging find something here. No, I know. But honestly, when you're talking about the daycare, Boehm probably had the best game today besides Gene in the ninth. Some really solid

defensive plays. He had the big double. But honestly, to me, Boehm getting that double and then Gene getting him over, I know they didn't score there, but I was like, yes, winning baseball. Schwarber, having that sack fly in the ninth. That's winning baseball stuff. Gene going the other way

in the ninth. Sosa getting home on that play and the slide to the outside of the bag. That's all smart baseball. Oh, and by the way, another one that we forgot to mention in the sequencing of things because it was just a down to nothing but a clean inning. David Robertson. That's why he brought that guy here, to come in a spot like that where a game could fall away. And he comes in, and a dude who's been in a lot like that where a game could fall away and he comes in and and uh dude who's been in a lot of big games in his life and and gets you through an inning where you know

things could spiral there like that was a really big inning that that obviously we haven't even mentioned like he deserves credit for going out and taking that inning down i thought the phil's played a better baseball game than the cardinals today and then one of the narratives heading into the series was like listen the cardinals don't play bad defense. They're not going to hurt themselves. And whatever. I thought the Phillies played a more solid brand of baseball today that if Yepes doesn't

hit that home run, I mean, those guys also can't hit either. And again, Topper managed circles around Marmo in the hole. You can quibble with the Wheeler decision one way or the other, but it wasn't a disaster. And the Sosa move, the decisions he kept making throughout the game, like Topper really did.

Well, Mar's coming in for Wheeling. Yep, like Topper really, and the steady hand throughout it all, like really nice job by Topper. Really nice. Yeah, so, dude, I can't believe they won that game. Dude, we all thought they weren't going to. I don't care what anyone says. There's no Phillies fan alive who maybe before the ninth,

but once it got to the top of the ninth, and especially with one out, there's not a single person who thought they were going to win. And I just feel like that's one of those games where, you know, obviously we know that Phillies baseball has been dead or hurting for a while um and it's just like it that had such a feeling of the heyday yeah like what was so i think that's probably their biggest i i don't think i'm missing oh i texted joe to camera the phillies have never scored six runs in the ninth inning. No, I know.

I know. But that's the the Gene single is the biggest hit on the road since Howard's double against Houston. Oh, that's a great one. Yeah. Right. I mean, I mean, yeah, I think it has to be, you know, unless, you know. Yeah. Without a doubt, it is.

Yeah. No, you're right. It is the big road road moments. I'm thinking on the top of my head here. The Howard double, the stairs,er, the Victorino homer. Yeah, the Victorino. Real quick, just, like, the stairs homer doesn't happen without the Victorino homer.

This is a big to-camera thing since I just mentioned him, but he's right. Like, people are like, we don't – everyone remembers into the night. No one remembers the Shane homer, and it was arguably more important. Yeah, it's like the Earth's fourth down on the Superbowl. It's a great call. What a great call, dude.

Yeah. So, so it's, it's one of those moments. That's like, you think about the heyday, a lot of their great moments happened at home. A lot of the moments that we talk about,

we, we, uh, you know, idolize around here happened at home. And that would say that's a road win. And listen, I know it's baseball heaven.

Oh, Oh, put this on a postcard, Alex. I know it's baseball heaven. But that crowd, to their credit, was really, really loud. They were great, dude. So until they left, I have in my notes, I was like, credit where due. They are so annoying. But that crowd was into every pitch of that game. And being able to shut them up is so glorious. Make them leave. So annoying. But that crowd was into every pitch of that game.

And being able to shut them up is so glorious. Make them leave. Make them look like fools on national television. They left in the ninth, Jack, against a team that just put up six in the ninth. Like, how do you know your team can't come back and score? Like, you just saw a team that was down 2-0 do it. And you're like, well, see ya. It's crazy. In a playoff game.

James, I need to ask you a very serious question. Oh, I can't wait for this. Please, yes. How sad do you think Cardinals fans are right now? Oh, my God. That was a, Jack, that was a all-time gut punch loss for them. Again, did you see the stat they flashed? It was so funny because usually I feel like we're watching broadcast.

I'm like, don't, don't say that. Don't do that. They kept doing stuff that was like, I can't remember Rodriguez, uh, uh,

jinxed Housley at one point. I remember we said, but it was great. And then they put up that stat where it's like the Cardinals are 93 and Oh, when leading by two runs or more, any of the ninth inning, it's like,

thank you. Yes. More of that stuff. It felt like for once the gods, the sports gods were on our side, Jack. I know. I know. It never happens to us, by the way. I want everyone, if you're listening to the IHOPs podcast for the first time and you haven't paid attention to Phil's baseball,

you weren't really around for the run, that never happens. i'm just telling you that never happens the philly anomaly in my entire life that happens in the regular season sure that win right there never happens in the postseason especially with this team you know uh the new iteration of the phil's um that just it doesn't happen yeah i'm i'm so with you and it is pretty crazy too to your point about the just the road win from the phillies perspective and the big road moments there but also the cardinals were 53 and 28 at home this year jack they were four they were under 500 team on the road they were 40 and 41 but at home they were 53 and 28 like that was something that we didn't really talk about a ton going in but i didn't even notice it but they were a dominant home baseball team this year and

the phillies went in there and and deep pants them in the in the big moment and um let's throw some more credit around because you mentioned it before alec bone with the defense and like man like he had the biggest defensive play of the day with that double play turn. Obviously had the prettiest defensive play of the day for a Philly with that, you know, Jeter-esque dive into the stands catch. But, like, let's throw a little credit to some. We talk a lot about Topper and the credit he deserves.

We talk a lot about Kevin Long and Cotham. Like, Bobby Dickerson, man, like, what he has done with Boehm and how he's helped him get to this point and I'm sure he has been involved because you know you know everyone's like he's a legend like Stott has gotten so much better this season like amazing job by Bobby shout out to Bobby Dickerson Jack 100% I mean like even like Reese is still pretty much a butcher but he's been better better and Gene is really good at second. And Stott, listen, Stott is a rookie playing shortstop in a playoff series. And had great at-bats.

That's a high, high-pressure situation. And those guys didn't flinch. Like, Stott and Boehm didn't flinch all afternoon. And, you know, it's just – it's obviously something that can be wild man well something that can be fixed like this feels so different from all the podcasts we've ever recorded like we always talk about not having young players we always talk about you know blowing it in big spots and this and that like it just feels it feels so different right now in the best way jack it does and um it's one of those again it's one of

those games that i just think that this it's like today was the day for everyone that was like ah i don't really know these guys you know they didn't come through our system they didn't do this they didn't do that like that's like one of those wins where you say these are our guys you know and we can kind of you know wipe away what they have done the last couple years and and they get a clean slate heading into those postseason series and they're one win away james like like they're one win away from a postseason game jack games i know p buddy i know and the good part is James is the Phillies. Like they work the, they worked a lot of the Cardinals top bullpen options.

I assume that Gallegos is going to be good for tomorrow. It looks like Helsley has a, he's getting an x-ray on his finger. So they might not be able to use him. There's no way he's pitching tomorrow. And honestly, I hope he does. I hope he does.

And Jordan Hicks, like whether he does or does, I mean, I was going to say's pitching tomorrow. And honestly, I hope he does. Either way, yeah, yeah. I hope he does. 100% not pitching. And Jordan Hicks, like, whether he does or doesn't, I mean, I was going to say this to you, and I may as well throw it in now because we're talking about them. Is there, if you're just the average person and they're like, all right, you get to face a major league pitcher, is there anyone you want to face less? Like, that guy has no idea where the 102 is going. None. 100%.

So, and he's just coming back from injury, so I'd assume that they probably don't want to use him tomorrow either. So who are the Cardinals pitching tomorrow? It's going to be like Jordan Montgomery and that kind of stuff. Yeah, which is great because those are not guys who are accustomed to those situations and coming out of the pen. And to your point, Jack, also about the greatness of tomorrow, like, look, N nola obviously we all feel

so great with october nola shout out after that last game and to your point really like september he had some some moments but like the bats didn't back him up and it wasn't all on him and he had his best september he's had a long time and all that but i know i feel a whole hell of a lot better with aaron nola pitching in a non-elimination game for his first playoff start than, you know, pitching to close it out rather than, hey, if you lose, we're done. Like, you know, I think it's a really nice spot for Nola. Like, just a touch of the pressure off where he can go out and really kind of, you know, pitch freely like he did in that last game.

Now, the interesting thing is I don't think that they trust Eflin enough to come back the second day in a row. Like, I just – that's a big ask for a guy who doesn't do that a lot. Yeah. Well, again, he just closed his first game on Monday night. And now he's like, is Zach Eflin the closer now? Like, I just. Well, he's never pitched back-to-back days in his career prior to this bullpen.

You know? I know. I know. But the good part is, is that Robertson barely pitched. Alvarado barely pitched. They didn't use Durant at all. And you have Fulter, who I trust coming in for a couple innings in a playoff game, without a doubt.

Tomorrow is the night that you go for it. I know, obviously, you want to go for it anyway, but if it's the fifth inning and it's still 1-0 or whatever, tomorrow is the night that's like, all right, we got all these guys at our disposal. Like, we're keeping this at one run and we're giving our offense a chance. So I feel really good about that heading into tomorrow. Like, they are set up much better heading into tomorrow than the Cardinals are.

Like, the Cardinals don't have their closer. There's no way they're going to use Jordan Hicks again. That Palante guy stinks and looks like a knockoff uh a knockoff miles teller um he does that kind of like a um almost like a you know that's a great call like if the nose were different yeah yeah um you have like guy who's gonna probably come back he's just a guy like he doesn't yeah he doesn't worry me um you know obviously they can use some starters here and there. Flaherty is warming up today. So that was interesting. They'll probably use him if, if Nicholas can't get them spinnings tomorrow.

But if you're looking for advantages and check marks, the Phil's have the advantage heading into tomorrow night for sure. Yeah. And especially if who knows, like, you know, it's crazy to think that, you know, we just talked about pitchers the Phillies could use tomorrow and didn't even mention Sir Anthony's name. And it's obvious why,

because he's been so bad and has struggled so much in September. But he's also someone who, if they can figure it out, has the best stuff on the team outside of Wheeler or Knoll or whatever. So it is an intriguing option there as well, depending on how the game plays out. All right, I want to fire a few quick hitters at you quickly. And you don't even need to respond to this one, but obviously I think we all know Brandon Marsh cannot take that pitch, the 3-2 pitch in the eighth.

That is unacceptable. Jack, how do you feel about the Topper nickname officially being explained by Michael K. and A-Rod? I don't know if you heard this because you were listening to it. I don't care about Topper anymore. He's the top. I don't care. I gave in months ago. The Bills just won a

playoff game. I don't need to be bogged down in our little stupid tricks that you try to play with the Topper. I love it. I love it. That's where we're at. We don't need any more you know, I almost cursed again. I almost said bull BS. I'm fired up right now, buddy. We don't need any more.

Hey, hey, hey. We don't need any more bits. We just got wins now. We've had to survive on bits for so long it's it's weird to not have to do that it's freaking exciting it's all we ever wanted we started this pod with no bits in mind it was like hey let's talk phils because literally that's how jack and i became friends in the worst days of the phillies when he was my intern at another radio station that we won't talk about. He and I talked baseball and talked Phillies and we talked about the crappy Phillies teams and how much we love the Phillies and how much we wish they were better. And when Jack left and I left, Jack kept in touch with me and texted me and like we became friends. And then I did what I could to help him get to WIP.

And now we're here right now because of that. It's like, it is literally like, I'm not joking and saying that the Philadelphia Phillies, obviously, I was about to say Philadelphia Phillies are the reason for the IOPs podcast. Yeah, no, no crap. But like the Philadelphia Phillies are the reason Jack and I are friends. Like they're the reason that this pod is a possibility that Jack and I work at WIP together, all that. It's all because of our love of the Phillies and baseball.

Like it's pretty cool thinking about that now, like thinking about where we're at, Jack, after, you know, the journey we've taken together. After a single playoff win. Well, that's the thing. Like, you know, like, obviously you guys listen, and you know we, you know, you can tell with our banter and we like each other and stuff,

but, like, Jack's one of my best friends on the planet. Like, I love him. Like, I am going to make his kid call me uncle. Like, it is what it is. Sorry, I'm an uncle. I call him Uncle Jack to Zoe. Like, he's my freaking guy. And, like, to be able to be here now talking to him and to, like, in this moment,

think about the journey that we took to get here and to, like, actually finally be able to talk about, like, a meaningful, positive Phillies moment that is forever you know playoff wins and stuff like man it's it's it's surreal I'm just I'm really happy today man like I was happy going in I was happy all day I was excited I wasn't even that nervous I never didn't think they were gonna win until they were down to nothing and then I'm obviously like everyone else but like um I always thought we'd be sitting here talking to each other about a win and it happened so much cooler than i expected it to buddy you

know i think it happened in the coolest way possible yes yes like if you want to talk about first off on the road makes it that well no no yes it does i know what you're saying like i'm we need games at citizen bank park but a winning to get home is awesome and b getting to watch those cardinals fans leaving the top of the ninth was worth all of it i know but also imagine the reaction with sagora walks them off yeah no you're right it would have been better it's not like it would have been better at citizens bank park but i'm i'm very happy with the way it played out but you're right everything would have been better at the bank it just is what it is yeah it is what it is but you know again about as as happy as it could be not at the bank it just is what it is yeah it is what it is but you know again about as as happy as it could be not at the bank is probably yeah well and and it's honestly it's just the guys man

like i am so freaking happy for gene segura i'm so happy for that guy who plays the game with like he's such a happiness and um and just loves playing and i think him and stott i think stott has almost rejuvenated segura's like love for baseball um you know him being able to do that stop being able to do that the sosa slide um i know reese got out twice than anything but whatever um you know even harper getting the big walk in that moment. Like, these are our guys having their moments. And, you know, we talk about the history of the Phillies. We talk about what this last 11 years has felt like, you know. It was easy to be a Phillies fan in 2011, you know.

Yeah. Everyone was a Phillies fan. No one was like, you know, everyone was all in.'s fan no one was like you know everyone was all in as a party of the summer they lost and you know you and i funny enough like we started talking uh baseball right around the the hamels trade in 15. i mean that's how far back we go yep when talking about phil's baseball and the fact that we've got we've come from the the hamels trade which no players still here um but you know 17 hoskins comes up and and we start seeing these guys and the disappointing september's the last couple years and and then to all get that moment today and just i i think they

feel how behind the uh you know behind they are behind the city is behind them yeah um i think that's that's that's gotta feel great for these guys you know schwerber had a quote a couple days ago about like we've heard i've seen the videos i know what the bank can be like when we are going and i want that back and today was one of those wins where it's like you're winning this fan base back that has just been dormant for so freaking long. Like I saw people tweeting and talking about baseball today that I didn't even know liked the Phillies. Totally, totally, dude.

Dormant and dying for this. Yeah, and I just love that that happened. It was the perfect kind of game to get everyone back in now you gotta go win tomorrow of course that's the thing like right like we talk about having new highlights and all that like these highlights like they're it's fun they lose their meaning if you don't win the series like obviously you close us out now you have the momentum the cardinals don't feel great about themselves their fans now are creating doubt they lost their closer, whatever.

It's going to be tight there tomorrow night for them, I mean. Like that ballpark, the fans' butts are going to be clenched, dude. You know they are. I wonder if there's any way that they try to do the Wainwright legacy game in game two. Like I think Wainwright's, you know, whatever. I respect what he's done. For the crowd, you mean, type of thing?

Like, I mean, look, Mikolas is their best pitcher. Quintana was great today, but Mikolas is their best pitcher. He probably should have started game one. If I'm the Cardinals, I'm sending my best dude out there. But I get it. I think it could change the atmosphere there because I really do think after today, after walking out on the game, I think it's going to be tight there tomorrow. I think they're going to be more nervous than excited dude it's

insane that they have played 56 playoff games since the last time the Phillies right how crazy was that how crazy was that and it's such a good I'm happy because we're talking about like the time between and I heard so many and and by the way you mentioned Segura you know let's get the number out there 1,328 baseball games played in the major leagues without getting to the playoffs. What a freaking moment today for that guy. But for us, to your point, man, we had so many people calling in today to WIP

and talking about my kid was one when they were in the playoffs last time, and now I'm going to watch a playoff game with my 11-year-old, my 12-year-old. Like, you know, my daughter was five. Like, she's 16. She loves the Phillies. Like, one guy called who's going up to his daughter's college in Boston because she's, like, 18 now.

And she was, like, seven when it happened before. And she's a monster Phillies fan. He's going up there to take her to a bar and watch the games together. And it was, like, that stuff's magical's magical dude and that's what sports are about it's the generational connection it's the family of it all you know like I've said this and you know I always say this stuff but it's so true is like you know my dad was a Phillies fan my grandfather was Phillies fan it's always gonna be a Phillies fan her kids will be Phillies fans. This is our lives. And to be a Phillies fan, to be a baseball fan, is such a commitment.

You're an Eagles fan, and this is not to mean the Eagles. Obviously, I love the birds. But it's now 16 and now 17 Sundays a year. And if you're lucky, you get a few more. And yeah, you talk about them and think about them. But this is 16 162 three to four hour commitments a year dude like this is like you have to love this you have to care about it you have to like get something from it as a human like to be able to like feel like it's all worth it and

and the last 11 years we've gotten so like we've gotten moments and we've had fun and and honestly like thank god for this podcast because i honestly don't think i could have gotten through it without you to talk to about it without this you know knowing there were these other disease fans who were in as much pain about it and all that and want it as bad as we do and the high hopes were there because of that but like like, man, to just think about what's happened since the last time we got to experience this, how many people, like, how many people's lives are completely different? How many people don't remember it before and will remember it now and it'd be meaningful with their parents and this and that? Like, it's just, like, that's what I think is

impossible for us to convey. And it's the only thing I'm trying to convey this whole time, is just how bleeping meaningful this is, man. You know? Like, it's, it's, it's just,

it was a special day today, man. Like, for, especially your point, I think it's the single best thing that was said this whole podcast, that you said earlier, for us to wait 11 years,

and the whole thing, and to get that today, like, it was all worth it like that was magic today it was and and that's a game that we'll never forget and i think that i talked to a lot of people you know i talked to college kids you know kids just out of college and it's like yeah i was like eight in 2011 it's like wow and and they're like wow i haven't seen a big game in a while. Like that's what makes baseball such a special, special sport is playoff baseball and moments like that.

And man, it's just, I'm just so happy. Like I have nothing else. Like, well, obviously I have other stuff to say, but like I just, I can't express to you how happy that made me today and how it was it's it was so classic it was like oh i feel terrible this is like the biggest thing i i can't believe i waited 11 years and they're gonna go out and lay a stinker to like oh my god we might have something here you know um like maybe that was the maybe today was the ball off of uh keanu neal knee. Or maybe today was the Julio Jones not catching the end zone.

Or the Trent Grisham misplay that led to the Nationals going on their run. These things happen. And baseball teams get hot. And I don't want people to just look at tonight's game like, ah, it was kind of fluky, whatever. look at tonight's game like, ah, it was kind of fluky, whatever. When you win those kind of games, special

things start happening and teams start believing. And I know the 1-5 was brutal today. But also, they were the guys late. They were putting up some big at-bats to extend that game. And I hope that tomorrow they come out and they're more ready to go.

But that's a game that i keep harping on this that you can just look back on and believe and believe that you can come back from anything and when you believe in something like that it can lead to some magical things and damn it what a like what a afternoon. Like what an afternoon. Four hours of stress well spent. Yeah. Well, it's funny because I was joking with Emily because at like 455, 450 or so, I was like getting my mic and getting the computer ready and being like, all right, well, you know, get ready to record a Lost Pod. You know, it's a bummer, but, you know, we're going to record, so let me set up or whatever.

It's like they're going to go out sad, you know. Well, exactly. And then 45 minutes later or whatever, they're up 6-2, and it's just like, holy crap. Like, I thought the game was over, like, 45 minutes ago. And now we're sitting here, and I'm setting up to record a victory pod, a, like, magical victory pod. Like, Jack, I'm so with you. Like, today, and again, you know, it's actually kind of wild to think about

that, you know, we talked about it, and obviously, you know, coincidental and all that, but, like, the synchronicity of it actually being on the same freaking day day on October 7th, 11 years ago that that one, nothing Chris Carpenter game happened for it to be 11 years to the day and for it to play out like it did today is like, again, like, you know, if you believe in signs or you believe in magic or you believe in whatever, like hard to, hard to deny that one, one you know it's like wow um all right um last thing i got for you and and i'm sure you didn't hear it because you were listening to

to the radio broadcast and you're so lucky i tweeted and i fully believe that they the did you listen to any of the the espn broad by the way so what i did was because the radio is delayed and i i can't deal with delays so i don't me too well that's i i would because the radio is delayed and I can't deal with delays. Me too. I would do the radio in a second, but I stream and thus I can't pause and sync it up. So I don't even have a choice. Otherwise, I would do it in a second. What I did was I brought my Alexa into the living room and I just had WIP on and I would say Alexa, unmute. Ah, for to hear the call after.

That's really clever, Jack. Okay, so then you know that the field mics. Dude, I listened to the whole freaking game. It was awful. It was one of the worst broadcasts of my life. I tweeted, and I really believe they should have just turned K and A-Rod's mics off and let the field mics go because the field mics were insanely loud, and I'd rather just hear the sounds of the game with the guys talking. Dude, how did they work the Yankees into every single thing that happened in that game?

Oh, my God. And also, eventually, they got to like talking about the Phillies, but like the first five innings were like a literal Cardinals love fest. Like at multiple times, Michael K was like, what a treat for baseball fans like you and me to be here in baseball heaven, watching a playoff. It's like,

screw you dude. Like, and by the way, like not to, you know, look, I'm not a take shots at anyone whatever but like how is michael k where he's at in life like he's horrible i'm sorry he is a terrible broadcaster

like he is so boring and has nothing to say and has no dynamic feel to the calls like it's like a bigger oh see ya all right like there's nothing like talk going back to ultimate montage replay day and like i know this is an unfair comparison anyone but like you hear harry and you hear the freaking power you know like it's like it's like and i know it's an unfair comparison anyone but i'm talking about it's like you hear k and it's like like you're like hot like franski is light years light years and franski's great but he's light years better than K. But regardless. He's also a home broadcaster. Yeah, which is unbelievable.

But I will say, I did think one thing that was cool was when A-Rod shouted out the Philly fans. And I'm sure he was pandering, but he did talk about in 09 how he was like, kind of never felt anything like that, coming to that stadium in 09. Those fans are freaking wild. And he's right. When the Phillies are good, and we're seeing it now,

and everyone's back on it like phillies fans are the best fans out there like the most intense the most fun the most into it like and they get the game like the i'll never none of us will the brett myers walk is the all like just put that on a little reel or whatever for anyone who wants to talk about philly fans be like just watch this like yeah we're the best like who else does that um so you know whatever but um i did appreciate that and also in case you missed did you hear the david robertson things i can't go to the take bag without like bringing up the david robertson thing that a rod brought up did you hear this what's about how he's the longest stride in the league or no he said well it was part of that i think he said that but then he said he's the most flexible person he has ever known and that he could have

been a gymnast he's so flexible like what cool like what a weird thing to say interesting but and i'm sure it makes sense with the stride like it is yeah you gotta be flexible but it was like we got we got really straight yeah and robertson No one's better at striding than the Phillies. It was such a strange comment. All right. Take bag or playoff bag or whatever you got. My first take bag is that everything that you wore. Can we call it the playoff bag real quick?

Real quick. Can we call it the playoff take bag? I mean, I feel like we've never done this before. Let's call it the playoff take bag. Like, why not? The big game take bag. Like big game James. I hope not. Go ahead not well he was a loser um i know my first my first take in the take bag is that everything that you wore in 2011 including me was just bad it was a bad look like style in 2011 wasn't great it was a bit cor corny. We are much better as a people today, you know, dressing wise.

There's so many throwback photos the last couple of days. It's like, oh, this is what I look like in 2011. It's a great take, Jack. Yeah, it's like we've come a long way. I will say that. Dude, I know he ended up helping us late. Well, first off, okay. Like one of the worst umpire games I've seen in my life.

Oh, thank you. I missed it on my notes. I knew I missed one thing, and I was just looking through my notes to be like, did I miss something? What a horrendous job that guy did. And yes, he was horrendous on both sides. So, you know, I asked for consistency above all. So, like, okay.

He was a disaster. And it influenced the game. Like that Stoddart bat felt different. Like I felt like he batted differently because he couldn't trust a strike zone. Like it influenced the game like that start at bat felt different like i felt like he batted differently because he couldn't trust a strike zone like it influenced the game he was really bad he was um and and and all of a sudden and then i think he got tight like like i know that that effling bitch was a strike i was like i literally jumped up was like yeah and i was like wait what what yeah he was bad he was bad. He was definitely bad.

What do you think about veerling over Cassianos tomorrow in right field? I think I would absolutely do it. Better defense. Honestly, he's just a better hitter now. Point blank, who do you trust more in a big spot?

Matt Veerling or Nick Cassianos?'t answer we all know the answer like look i'm you know this this crushes my soul i have to say this like of all people you know but yeah i know they won't do it like but i would absolutely play veerling over cassianos and i would absolutely trust cat veerling in a big spot over cassianos and that's such a like kind of a bad spot to be in, but I don't know how you couldn't feel it in watching them. Like, Castellanos is still swinging over, like, sliders on the outside corner. It's like, come on, man. I know he hit the ball hard today. He hit the

ball hard. That was great. That was awesome. And his defense, like, wasn't atrocious, but, like, this is a must-win game tomorrow. We have Nola on the mound. I just would rather have a surefire better option in right field. I have an outfield defense of Veerling Marsh, Schwarber. I have an infield defense of Boehm,

who might be a better defensive player than Arenado. I think we can. Certainly was today, Jack. Evidence, you know, recency bias. I don't know, but, you know. Yeah, we can officially put that one to bed. And then, you know, you have Bones, Scott, Segura, Hoskins,

like tomorrow's a game that he got to win. I want my best defensive players out there. And maybe if he benched him, then that gets him going. That's another good point. No, it's another good point. Yeah.

I'm with you. And look, anything you can try and do, cause he's definitely just hasn't been the guy you wanted to be in it. And it is a shame cause he really does. As I mentioned, I think last pod where he does have a unique opportunity in front of him. Like if he can find a way to, to have playoff moments and come through in spots

and do things for this team, like he could start fresh next year. Like people will let the regular season struggles slide. They will give him a chance if he can come through here. So it really is a big spot for him. All right, you got anything else, Fritzy? Do we officially, you know, put to bed the cameraman in 2011 for the cameraman today, making up for it with the Arenado home run? Is that the Arenado ball for the run?

I really like that. I agree. Yes, no doubt. And also, again, chows to the wind for being on the Philly side. It's been 11 years. We needed every element and every unseen force in nature on our side, and the wind came through in a big way. Yep.

And last thing, I thought the Wheeler shutdown inning when they didn't score off the Alec Boehm double was one of the turning points of the game, too. Because, like, we watched the Fills last month, and it's like, okay, here comes an obvious score by the opposing team, and Wheeler going out and dominating. And honestly, like, Wheeler's start today is going to be forgotten about,

but Wheeler's first postseason start. He was awesome. Going out and doing that, just absolutely shoving, was refreshing to see and makes me feel even better about hopefully, hopefully, future postseason starts by him. Yeah, and how about it, Jack? Tomorrow, finally, since the start of this pod, the longest running bit,

officially comes to a close. Playoff NOLA happens tomorrow. We will see it. I thought you were going to say they're flying in Altair to play right field. But if I really get Nick Pavetta, where's he at? You know?

No, I think Big Game Nolan was pre-Pavetta. I think Altair was. No, it was. No, Altair was. But playoff Nolan is the longest running. Because Altair, obviously, we've talked about in a while, Jack. Dude, if Nolan goes shove Ziddy tomorrow. And closes it out.

If we are recording an emergency happy high hopes after the Phils take a post-season series on the road in St. Louis at like 12 o'clock tomorrow night, you won't find a happier person and people in the entire world than you and I and the rest of everyone else out there. I mean, being able to do that. No, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.

No, yeah, let's slow it down. Let's slow it down. It's a dream, but let's slow it down. Here's what we'll say. Hopefully we record at like midnight tomorrow night. There's a chance we record Sunday morning. Well, I know, that's what I'm saying. There's a chance we record Sunday morning, maybe.

Let's hope, because if certain things happen, there is no doubt we're recording at midnight tomorrow night or 1230 or whatever it is. So let's all hope that we're all talking late night tomorrow night because that is a lock if things happen. All we're all talking late night, tomorrow night, because that is a lock if things happen. All right. You got anything else, buddy? Treasure this. It doesn't happen very often, as we well know. It's been, again, 11 years. Treasure this. Special moment. Shout out to Gene. Shout out to the Phils. And it's time to ride this wave and see if we can do a little

damage. But again, 11 years today made it all worth it. It was beautiful. What a day. I'm already nervous for 11.37. Me too, man. Me too. If you want to hear bonus, James and I listen to us 1-4. Yes!

Inside baseball again, it's supposed to be Go Birds for the first two hours and then High Hopes Radio for the last hour. It's going to be High Hopes Radio. We'll talk Eagles, but go Phillies. We're not going to have that game last night and not talk about it. It's pretty insane that football is dead in Philadelphia. It's really good to get us back to our place.

The 4-0 Eagles. Call us. By the way, seriously, call us. If you listen to the pod and you love us, and you're not, you know, that sentence, I didn't mean love us, love the pod, and you never get a chance to really talk to us, call us.

We're going to be there one to four tomorrow. Call us and talk, Phils. We would absolutely love if High Oaks people call in. That'd be really cool, because Jack and I, sadly, don't get enough time to talk on the radio together, so call us. That'd be really cool.

100%. Oh, I love it. I love it all right uh tomorrow hopefully we're recording a clinching pod either way to your point today was a special special special day for us and um to jack's point don't take it for granted you know we know how rare this comes along. Like today was awesome. Enjoy it. Like, you know, revel in it. And, uh, and tomorrow it's back to work and,

uh, and we'll be back because the Phillies are playing playoff baseball again. Tomorrow. He's friends. I'm Seltzer. We'll see you next time.