High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - The Phillies Are 28-12 Under Mattingly... That's Pretty Good

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

James Seltzer and Jack Fritz react to the Phillies winning a series in Toronto and discuss the fallout from Adolis Garcia going down with an arm injury last night. Presented by Miller Lite.To purchase Ring The Bell by Jack Fritz and Kevin Reavy go to RingTheBellBook.comTo buy tickets for the High Hopes Night in Reading CLICK HERE.

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we had a freaking blast last night. Thank you to everyone who came out to Tony's place. First of all, what an awesome spot. Like the food was amazing, the drinks, the vibes. It was packed.

Like there were so many people there, so many people into the trivia, the whole thing. Shout out to Joe and the rest of your career, Joe the owner. like we had the best time and so many people came out. Yeah. It was, we were, it was really, thank you so much everyone came out.

We had a great time. Yeah, it was, it was really fun. I was, I was late. Yes, you were. To me, crisp hour and I have to get there from the, from the station. I was there holding it down. Yeah, it was good. It was good.

But yeah, a lot of our people came out. You asked some sicko trivia questions. Listen, all right. Tucker, yeah. Wait you hear the, so I'm asking, you know, one of my questions was, who's the Phillies all time leader in games? played. Yeah, a lot of stuff like that, you know, like Mike Schmidt, you know, you're

to him, right? Yeah. Jack, why don't you give an example? One of the questions you asked. So my first question. My first question was, when the Phillies traded for Jesus Lazzar, they traded Starlin Gaba and who else? Oh.

Yeah, exactly. He's like, he's giving things like an outfielder and go some high school, 11th round, 11th round pick. Yeah. I had to be like we saw him make some great catches at a game we went to in Delaware. At Wilmington. Yeah. A Marion Boyd.

A Marion Boyd. Right, Tucker. Oh, Mary and Boyd. No, E Marion. He married. Yeah. Who could forget. I'm thinking of O.

Marion. Honestly, if I had done it, I would have said Emmanuel Boyd and it was like, oh, yeah, it's a Marion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that was one. What college did a Ryan Kirkland go through, Tucker? Which someone got like that, too. Oh, he said Southern Florida.

Yeah, we gave it to him, though. Oh, he went to Central Florida. South Florida. Yeah, I went to South Florida. Yeah, went to South Florida. And then I asked, who did the Philly Strait Hunter Pence for? Nate Sherald's. No, he said Sherald's in the question.

Not that easy. He said Nate Sherald's and the other person. Yeah, exactly. Tommy Joseph. Yeah, which actually is gettable. Yeah, yeah, that was getable. Yeah, the Merriam Boyd is definitely the hardest one.

The one of my holster is always, who do the Phillies trade chase outly for? Yeah, you love that one. Yeah, it's all my favorites, you know? Darnel Sweeney. Tucker. He hit one big home run down in Miami. He hit one big home run down in Miami

when their best players, Remember that run that Andres Blanco went on? Of course. Who could forget? He should have been the fame. He should have been the first. He was good, man. Yeah, he should have been.

He was good. And you know who else had a mini run that also had his career end in Miami? Pedro Floriamon. Remember that? Oh, sure. Yeah. That was a smaller run. It was a way smaller run.

It was a way. I was pretty florrie. I know. If Andrez Blanco played on the O.A. Philly is a legend in this town. Yes. He's out of Bruntlet 2.0. 100%.

Come on. 100%. So, no, it was a great time. I was disappointed. I went up to two people who I knew were like high hopes people. Yeah. And I was like, I need you to get this next one.

And it was about the Ameri and Boyd one. Turns out, not everyone. You got paid in the minor league minute. Now, to be fair, we were not doing the minor league minute. No, no, no, no, no. Long since that, yes.

When a Marion Boyd was working. He might not have even made the minor league ministry. No, I was excited for a second. Dude, those two catches he made in dollar were special. They were two of the better catches I've seen live. People still talk about to this day. I do. And, uh,

dude, that park was packed at night. It was also. That was one of our best kind of things that we ever did was like, everything was like, I was actually shocked how many people came. If you want to take part and also one of our, speaking of which minor league games.

June 20th. It's going to be so much fun. We got lots of people coming. We hope. Um, we had so much fun there last year. And, you know,

hopefully it won't be a rainy gross day this time, which, you know. Yeah. So, yeah, very much looking forward to it. Yeah.

So Norrie should be back. the IEL right now. He'll be back. Rincones back off the IEL. Rurne Coen might be on the major league remaster. No, you're talking about Gabriel Rinconi. We're talking about Ramconi. I'm usually I'm Roncones Jr. I'm talking about Brian. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. My fault.

Great point. Great point. Great point. The 14th. Rukon is in AAA. Anyway, it's a bad job. Brian Rincon's the baby boy. The baby boy. Yes. Yes. Yes. Super important person does. I forgot. Yes. You hope he's Brian Rokio. It was awesome. And shout out to Connor and Chris. couple kids that he was quoting my Taiwan rant get him off my team like to me did he do it in your

voice yeah it so apparently his father said there was a time where he would just could do it verbatim word for word for a while so like you guys are awesome you made my night last night so thanks guys get them off my team exactly you do an impression of yourself i know i know well the only people don't impersonate me they just go it's the only there's no you know no real effort to you know try and go low to hide and try and do the charlie day things it's just oh it's good you know what are you going to do you know what are you going to do you know what at least you don't have a bad haircut that's true that's poor guy I know so I think we did a pod yesterday and and and did you take you take your eyes off he's beaten no he changed it he he was he succumbed I know uh he is beating down

over I know and I feel bad because he is usually someone who's pretty you know hey take your best shot you know I can handle it it turned out he couldn't when it came to his hair also because he said well my wife like so why should I care it's like yeah Yes, you shouldn't care. Your wife likes it like toughen up, buddy. But I also want to put it on a lot of doctor. Yeah, I know. He was, yeah, yeah.

So I do not want to pile on. I love, love Elliot. And I do, I do. It is funny seeing him shaking. I was shocked. I know. Actually, Tucker, we were doing the pile. We were both sitting here like, wow, he's like, this got to him.

Haven't seen this. There wasn't a bit for him. It wasn't a bit. Yeah. Haven't seen the shaking. since the lie detector. I think you're right about it. And even then, I think he was way more shaking about this.

Like the lie detector, he at least was like, ah, you know, those things are dumb. You know, he went to the whole like, are they even, do they even work? You know, he was able to go that way. This, he was just like, well, I had to change my hair back. Not one person. I guess they got it.

Yeah, no, he said he was on the sidelines. He thought people were like looking at him. And he was a high ranking member of the Eagles, asked him what he did. Why did he do that? So he created a storm. He did. He did.

He did it. Always is an ability. Not the one he wanted to. No, no, no, no. But it was weird at seeing him that show because normally he's really good

about just putting his head down. Yeah. Locked in. So the fills are good. Those are good. They might not suck with 27 and 12 since Magnetian. I mean, that's 28 and 12.

I mean, that's really good. Yeah. I mean, that's over a month. Why don't you put the title of the podcast? 28 and 12, that's really good.

That's really good. That takes you can only get here, folks. That's what they pay. This is the podcast people deserve. In case, in the time. title Tucker is going to use Taylor Swift is a fraud for our Go Bird's title. Oh, I changed it to who's a bigger fraud. Taylor Swift or Jalen Carter.

Even better. Wow. That sounds like two on five five nine. I mean Taylor Swift is a fraud. I mean sit in the front road the next thing like come on she's well she's never a Philly. No, but she was in the front with gavs with a freaking guy we can have a go against the next. I do. I do. It's why. Mr. Gatekeeper here. Okay. If it were the Phillies, he would be like burn her at the steak but since it's not the Phillies. Ah, who cares? She's. Mary, going to marry Travis Kelsey if your wife got front-ro seats to the cabs, you wouldn't go with her?

First of all, they are super famous She's not pretending to be a Kaz fan. No, but she's pretending to be a Knicks fan. There's plenty of photos for the years of her with Nick's gear. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what to tell you.

Fraud City, that's what I'm going to say. First off, as the first person to call it, her being a fraud Eagles fan years ago. Yeah. I'm glad that everyone's now picking up on it. Good. Good. But I don't fault her for going to a Cavs game with Kelsey, who now is a minority owner of the Cavs now.

Yeah. So I think that's just... I mean, he should be mad at her. If he's an owner of the cabs, he's got his wife out there for the Knicks. Rich people don't care about sports. I know.

Unless you're AJ Brown. That's the real take. I know. You're right. You don't get a shot at the team unless you're a J. Brown. It's a good point.

It's a good point. To be clear, once on the record, if I was in the big leagues, I'd still root for the Phillies. I love that about you. I've been thinking about that. The AJ thing came down.

It's good. Yeah. It's like with Mike Trout, who should be forcing his way back to Philadelphia in 2011. Yeah, but you guys pay all the money. Exactly. In 2010, when the after got drafted by the Angels and the Phillies acquired Roy holiday, he ran downstairs and told his dad,

dad, we got Roy Halliday. And his dad was like, the Angels. You're an angel, son. He's like, no, the Phillies. It's like, come on, Mike. That doesn't just leave you. Grow up, Mike. Yeah.

But we don't even need you anymore. Well, it might need him because the right, the right field situation. We wouldn't hurt. We don't need him for the money that he's getting, but it wouldn't hurt that Mike Trout out there. Let's get to last night and the series, obviously, we get to a whole series, but I do think the biggest news from the series from last night is the Adolus injury, left the game.

We'll see there's calling a shoulder thing. I would be surprised if it's not an I-Eleston of some sort here with this. The way-magli talked. Long me, I agree. But the way, yeah, I agree. But the way Magnet talked, I think there's going to be an I-A-Lastin. What do you make of the injury itself, especially what a bummer? Like, he's finally starting to have, like, his first good week is a Philly offensively,

and this happens. What do you make of the injury? And really what they do? Because we've talked about how bad the outfield is. We haven't talked about what do they do if something that's hurt in the outfield? Because like we, I mean, I'm Rinconis Jr. I mentioned him for a reason. But like what's the move?

What do you make of the injury? And how do you see this kind of shaking out? Well, first off, the biggest takeaway is JT. Get in front of the plate and make a play kid. Anyway, it was a seed to the plate. Unbelievable. There, J.T. Yeah.

Yeah. Not the best of the tag. Yeah. He missed that one to go. He misread the ball. Anyway. Just like with the Duran bitch, we didn't know it was coming.

That was nuts too. That was a mystery. That was that pitch cloud. He had two nights. I'm just saying. And I do think that spooked Duran because now he was, I think so too. Yeah.

Like he just was like, I think he's a little worried about throwing it with conviction because that happens. But anyway. Yeah. So those things is a huge bummer just from the standpoint of like what he brings defensively is so valuable for this team. He has helped them win games out there. And like I think Baroa can match him from the standpoint of,

of like getting the balls, but not throwing, yeah, obviously. Do you think they just stick Barrow and right field for now? So what I think they, what I don't really want is,

I don't really want one of the, the camp or Felix Reyes, even though I think that might be what happened, or what happens. Rincones is not crushing the ball at Lehigh Valley, but there would be some juice. Like what I would do is I would go

Rincones against Ritees and Baro against lefties. these because I don't want to bring up like I do want the defense of Baroa because I think he does provide value late in the game and to wear like because Rincona is not like a great defensive outfitter but we've done the Felix Reyes thing I know it was a short thing of course it was almost simultaneous last night. Adolese got hurt and they said it was a muscle strain but who knows how he wakes up and what the imaging shows so I never really believe them right after the games because there've been so

many instances over the last. I don't think they know. I think they're just saying what they think, they're the guess. Who could forget when Reese Askins tore his ACL, Rod Thompson. Oh, Tom was like, oh, something walking around the glass, fine. He was jumping. It was jumping. It was great. Yeah, it looks good. Looks good. He was doing karaoke. That was the, uh, that was such a kicking the junk. I know. So. The injury itself, but then that top everything just made it worse. Yeah. It was so known. And yeah, Rod Thompson also said that his concern level of aid and heading into the season was none. And here we are in June. And he hasn't played yet. but yeah so I just am expecting like a six to eight week injury to be completely honest with you

I just hope it's not a season under but I would I would I would give rancos a shot here and see if against strictly right-handed pitching because he is not a he cannot hit lefties but against right-hand pitching see what he can do and again it was simultaneous last night Felix Ray has had a home run the second Adolius left the game was a three-run shot we know there's power there but he is a he's just a sieve yeah a seven he can't play right right. Like you stick him in left. You march over to right. Yeah. And then what they could do, but they could. So I think what I would do is.

Sosin left a bit. Like, you know, they've been doing that kind of thing. Wrong. I would. I'm just saying things they've been doing. Yes. Wrong. No. The, what I would do that I think would be really creative and, like, possibly provide some upside. And we'll see if he would ever do it. But like, I would, I would bring Keaton and Anthony up and have him play first base.

Oh, wow. and left. Really? Or right. I mean, Harper probably won't do that. He said, no, I don't know if Keaton Anthony is the big bat that he was talking about. In my world, he is the big bat that he's talking about. If you squint, you see young J.D. Martinez. Oh, really? But, wow. He's, he could hit. He can hit. He's, I, I feel pretty confident. He came up. He hit the big league level. Yeah. Wow. So if they did, that could be like the really creative

route. If this is like a thing thing. So, so what you're saying is you think of all the guys ready to hit like who have a chance to hit in the majors right now you think just pure bat wise keene anthie has the best bat at those guys no doubt yeah no doubt uh camp hasn't really gotten going since going back down uh felix delis pop sure but i just you know seems like a quad a guy we talked he's a guy i think kemp's a quad a guy i think keats and anthony is the most like major league-ish type bat and if they want it's still a guy that can he by the way like he doesn't move that well but he did win a minor league gold glove at first base. So he's not, he's not a disaster out there.

He is not. It would be, it would require Bryce to go to the outfield, but I'll buy the numbers. Alts above average. He's like minus six. Like I've been a horrible defensive first baseman this year. The I does,

it doesn't totally suggest that, but he also has had a- He hasn't been as good. Like the last couple years, he's felt like a really good first basement. He is not this year. He is not. Now,

what they'll probably do is either Kemperias and Burroughs. That would be my guess. Or if anything, I think Rincones, they do before, yeah, possibly Rinconas. And then they just do Rinconis and Burrow.

Again, I would, I don't want to do. So, so, so plays in left field, you know, marching right. So potentially, if, if Kamsana, whatever, I think they're going to mix and match to try and figure it out. I just, I do think Burro is important to keep up from the defensive standpoint. I exactly late in the game. So, yeah, I mean, we'll, we'll say it is bummer because it felt like he was, he was getting going a little bit.

I did have this fear, though, of like, I was saying this last night at Tony's place. I was like, here's the lock of the century. And this is before Adolies got hurt. For the next month and a half. Stott, Bome, and him are going to be good, like, good to possibly be pretty good. Yeah. And it's going to convince them.

Yeah. And it's going to convince them that everything's fine at the deadline and we don't need to go get it back. And I didn't want that, you know? So, like, this might force their hand. Yeah, I think they have to. I mean, it depends on how long he's out and all that, but even still, I mean, to expect him to come back and just start hitting right away.

Yeah. I just have a good feeling about it. I don't. I don't have any, I don't know anything. But he grabbed it. they said strain that immediately like it was a strain. You can take it out immediately. Yeah. And now the good part is he was not reaching for the elbow and he wasn't reaching for the shoulder. It was, but he could look like it was he could also like torn. They're all connected. They're all connected. Yeah. So he also could have torn a bicep or a tricep or whatever.

So yeah, it stinks for him, especially because he's on a one year deal. And he was again, starting to show pop and man, we had like three sick backflips. I know. We were starting to dream on the postseason moments. But, um, and I will miss him in right field. a great, great deal. I mean, it was one of the most fun things we had this year. The best defensive right fielders is worth? Oh, I think absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, I would say pretty handily. Yeah. Just like one of the best defensive outfielders they've had in the last decade or whatever, you know? Just a pure treat. So I do feel bad for him. When the stakes rise and the lights get bright, that's when you find out who can really swim.

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and everywhere else you get podcasts. But overall, I mean, what a series went up in Toronto? Yeah, no, that was good baseball. Not a place they play well. No, and Zeus. I mean, you know, I know he didn't get through six.

You want to see him get through six. But, I mean, after that, adding last year, which I had forgotten about and you put it on the last pod. Like that was a disaster for him going into that building. And, you know, come back this year, he was really good last night. I thought for the most part. Yeah. So I went back and, dude, you want to talk about real sick of hours this morning.

I went back and rewatched. So I had. It is hard to catch every pitch at those events. It is. It is. And I wanted to see what Zeus looked like. But I also was driving home for the Keller coming in for sugar last night. By the way, listen to a little bit of your show this morning.

and just the overreaction to change sugar. It was like, one bad outing. The guy's been good. Do they watch? No. Did they watch anything? Joe, I didn't even know what he was like sugar.

Shugart? What is it? I know. I was like, my goodness. Pitched a ton. My gosh. He learned sugar.

Everyone's talking about how he's 22, Bilotti. I love sugar. My God. And so he's fine. Also, he's pitched like twice in 14 days. Yeah.

So give him break. Anyway, it was annoying. I get it. Even with the four runs he gave up, his area is still three, four, believe that's good.

Yeah. And good job by Keller. Just coming in. What a shot down. Yeah. But, but yeah, so I had an Alvi.

Alvi's been getting some outs. Two straight outings. Yeah. Starting, starting to, I don't know. He's just, he's a tough one,

man. He's a tough one. Because I want to believe. He's so important. He's such an important player on this team right now. Like obviously they could trade. They do whatever. But if that dude's good,

it does, it really makes a difference right now. So I had the, I had the computer on Lazzardo and then I had the TV. watching the last three innings. That is some real. So I tell you what, the pitch clock makes it so easier to speed through games

because it's pretty much if you just keep hitting fast forward 10 seconds, 10 seconds. You know they're going to, yeah. It's the pitch is the pitch. That's actually really great. And that's why I'm mad at MLB.

TV. Let's, I'm glad we're bringing this up on the podcast. You just did it. Because it's, because they do it by 15 seconds. So when I try to do it, they're all out of rhythm.

Wow. All out of a rhythm. It's outrageous. It's horrible. I can get in a rhythm on MLB. TV. And there's like where you go right past the pitch and then you like scroll back and you just go 15 and just wait again.

And yeah, what I do is I wait the extra five seconds and then go rewind. Oh, that's smart. That's not bad. That's not bad. But either way, you're still scared. Yeah, you're still screwed.

Yeah. It's a lot of work. And you can get a rhythm. The rhythm is key. Boom. Boom. Boom. It's amazing.

It's magic. Thank you. Thank you. So if MLB.m.m.m.v. I can fix that. And make a 10 seconds instead of 15. We really help the viewing experience. Yeah.

No. So Lazzardo, what I found so interesting about Lazzardo last night. is he made a concerted effort to decrease velocity to get his fastball in the strike zone, whether he was behind 2-0 or behind 3-1 or it was a 1-1. And then when he got the two strikes, that's when he saw it. He would rip it.

Yeah, he was ripping it. And that's kind of what unlocked Sanchez's command, is having a feel for 95 so that he could get it back up to 98. So it was only one start It was the first time I'd seen him really do it But I did think that to get into the strike zone He was throwing like 90 There's a, he threw a sinker at 93

And at first I was like, is he hurt? And then the next pitch was 99 And it was like, okay, so they're trying something A little bit different here And because it makes sense Because when he starts walking people Then the blow up, the innings happened And that's what he has to

Yeah, that's what he has to maintain right now. So, so I think, thought that was a really interesting thing. I thought he a good feel for the change up all night. He did attack with that sweeper. I was surprised. At one point, he had only through eight changes,

but didn't feel that way when he was, it was like the fifth or sixth inning. I thought he threw a good amount of changes to get back into counts. So, yeah, I thought he was really, really good. And,

like, the Blue Jays hitters in that building feel like they're on more pitchers. I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you. There's something about that place that I think they have a, they have a good feel up there. I think their home record's really, really good this year, even though they're under 500. So to see him go up there, you know, exercise and demons from last year, I thought was really important.

I thought he pitched. I thought he pitched really, really well. Yeah, I agree. I think the starting pitching was great the whole series, obviously. You know, they lost the Wheeler game, but not Wheeler's fault. Wheeler was terrific. And look, Dillon Sees was awesome. I know he just came back, but Cease was NAS.

That was a really, that, look, we've probably seen too many pitching duels this year. And I know I'm talking to the wrong person. You are Mr. Pitcher. Yeah. But like a little too much. of like our can we score some freaking runs here that was like a that was a joy to watch those guys go back and forth that was like a really and also like two guys who just mean the one ernie clement uh strike out on the check swing like that ball that we it was like it ended up like

three feet outside and swung out and cease it's just the ball moves like he's like a wizard out there it was that was a really fun i mean i know they lost but that was a fun pitching battle to watch those first six innings yeah and the most important thing from that game was they scored a runoff Louis Varland, which no one else has done. Yeah, ZRA heading into that game was 0.26. He and Louis Varland,

for those of you that remember, what I believe was on like the 2023. Oh, he was a fritzless man. Oh my gosh. When he was a twin. Yeah, I had him on my team.

And he had like three bad starts for me. I was like, well, that didn't work out. See you, Lewis. Yeah. Yeah. And now as a reliever,

he's disgusting. So that was more impressive than anything, was coming back and scoring against Louis Varland. But yeah, well, first off, I thought obviously Sanchez was fine. He had his best stuff and he still just goes out and deals.

But I thought the bigger takeaway for me, because I think we have a good feeling about the starting rotation, is like that's two straight series where I feel as if the offense is settling in and starting to have some guys, like, against, almost like settling in a way. I mean,

Stott had some big hits. Boom, obviously. I mean, that was a tank shot last night. He really, that was like those, when Bowman hits it like that, we've done this a zillion times.

It's like, why can't you do that more? Like right there, that thing you just did like that, do that more because it looks so natural because he's so big. And when he gets a hold of one like that, it's like it looks like that's what he should be doing. And it's so rare, you know? He is. I do think he is making a concerted effort to swing harder. I agree. He's been much better.

Yeah, yeah. He was bad. What was he bat? Like one, one, 40 something in his low point. I mean, he's got better offensive numbers and stock now. I mean, he's worked his way back. He deserves a lot of credit for it. And, um,

And especially considering we talked a lot about all the stuff with his parents going on. Like it's not like that's going away. Like he's just playing through it. So he did. I think he's a much maligned guy on this pot in this city many times. I think Alibone probably deserves more credit than he's getting. Yeah. Well.

And, you know, like since the two day reset, all his numbers are. Yeah. No. Yeah. And all of a sudden. All of a sudden he's got eight homers. Yeah. Eight owners.

And again, he's hitting like he's pulling some. Like he's did like tanking some shots. Well, what he's doing is he is, I mean he's looking to. pull the ball in the air with authority, which is important. But he's also doing the classic bone thing of just shooting the ball the other way. So that's been good to see.

And Stott also shot that ball the other way off Ireland. And then last night drove that one. So Stott and Bone both kind of feel like they're stabilizing. Marsh has been really good. Dude, I thought, I thought Harper just smoked the ball entire series. And got the Homer last night. Finally got a homer last night.

He, if you want to go through some of the expected numbers on Bryce. So he's in the, his expected numbers are in the 98th percentile in, uh, slug. Uh, he's in the 95th percentile in walk rate,

which is good. Ninety second and inspect the batting average. Wow. Is expected batting average is supposed to be nine, uh, two ninety two. Those numbers feel, what's the word for those numbers?

Well, we can't go by expected to call an elite. Is that elite? I'm just, if the bright, I'm just passing around. He has, look, he has, he has, he has been closer to elite than not. I don't, I wouldn't say he's elite, whatever, but like, he hasn't been elite.

No, not this year, but he's been, he's been, he's been just below elite. Like, he's been damn good. He's been an all-star, you know? His expected Wobba's the 98th percentile, expect his slug is 98 percentile, expect him batting out of his So he's got unlucky is the point. Yeah. Well, and I mean, dude, I feel like he's been. I feel like he's hit it hard to a lot of people.

Yeah. Yeah. And, um, yeah. So, so, so I thought all series long, he's on every pitcher. And like, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, Trey just, you know, going through it. And Shorebro was slow until yesterday. I wanted to get to Trey. Yeah, Shor had one hit and then he had the home run and another hit yesterday.

So that was good to see. But really Harper's the one at the top of the lineup that's been kind of stable. Yeah, I agree. So let's get to Turner because I think, you know, as exciting as Bome and started, you know, with Bome getting it going on, Marsh still being good. I think when you look at this team and say, all right, and especially now with the adult injury, like there is one guy who is such a massive swing factor for this offense. and the ability to be good, great, whatever it's going to be.

And he's a guy who, like, again, it's hard to watch Trey Turner and think he's going to do anything at all right now because he looks so lost at times and the approach hasn't been great. You know, he'll have a game here or a game there. But, you know, he's also a guy who we have seen, you know, struggle to this level or worse when he got his guy here and then turn it on for half a season and be one of the best theaters in the sport. Now, I don't know that he still has that in him.

But he petted through five last year. I think he's got a better player in him than we're seeing this year. where are you out with Trey, would you consider moving Bome up to two that? I mean, seriously, we've talked about that. I mean, like, how long do you keep Trey at the top of the lineup? Like, where are you out with the Trey thing right now? Because I think he is that by far the biggest, like, swing guy on this team who is not living out right now. Yeah, I mean, I just, I don't have this overwhelming sense of, like, hope with Trey.

Like, people just keep saying, eh, like, he'll heat up. He'll heat up. I don't know. I don't know if he will. You know, it's just he's, even last year, it's not like he was a bunch of high impact hits. It wasn't infield hits. And I don't know.

He's pretty frustrating. I just, I can't tell if they think who would bruise his ego by moving him down. I mean, I think they definitely think that. I just think it's a question of how long do you wait till you have to do it. The thing that I've been, they've been very tender with him throughout his entire time here.

You know, before the ovations, he was hitting eighth. Like, yes, but he was also. what, like one of the worst hitters in the sport. Yeah, you're right. You're not far up. No, you're right.

Yeah, you're right. He's sitting 24. But even then he ate a little bit. They still would move him back to the top of the line. If you remember, he'd clean up and stuff for a while. So I don't know. Yeah. So, and the other thing that we're monitoring is now as good to see Schwerber had the night he had last night. But like, Schwerber's OPS since he went in the lead off. And having Trey hit behind him is like in the mid to high sevens, which is not usually what you expect from Schwerber.

Now it's not the biggest sample size in the world, but they pitched around him a couple I mean, look at the homer numbers too. I mean, just, you know. Three since moving back. Exactly. So, yeah, I mean, again, I am starting to be of the mindset of against Ritees, I would just bat Marsh lead off. And I would go, Mars, Schorber Harper.

And I understand the complications that creates late. I know all that. But also, you have a chance to blitz a pitcher. And those are your three best hitters right now. And I want them having the most of bats in a ballgame. Now, Marsh is batting fourth, so he's getting fine. Like, you can make a case for Bohn to put him at two if you want. If you want to just break him up, which is fine.

Yeah, I mean, maybe just should move them to five for a couple games, move bone up there. I mean, I don't think bone's going to be overwhelmed. I would do it right now. You have to do something. You can't just keep rolling out on the tool. And it's hurting the line up. It would be the slowest one-two punch in the history of baseball, I believe. Shorebur and Bone hitting one-to.

Yeah. I don't know how. Shorber Hoskins? Yeah, I know. Maybe not. I don't know. Do you think Reese is faster than Baum? Right now?

Not right now. Certainly not. No. Pre-A-C-L, Reese, maybe. I think, no, actually. I think I don't. I think they're probably the same level of speed and the fact that bone's taller.

The fact that bone's taller, he probably covers ground quicker. I don't know. Raffy. Yeah, that's a good point. It's a good point. We did bad Schwerburn-Hawkins one too.

That's a good point. Pretty dang slow. That team also went to the world. I was supposed to say it worked. It didn't work. Yeah, yeah. So I'd give, I give bone a little bit around there maybe if they don't,

if they don't want to do the, maybe against lefties you could put bone there in Marsh. But I just- I mean, the point is Turner has to be taking, out of the tool. You can't be in the top three anymore. I thought the stash was going to get him going. Yeah. I know. It's just I don't know. It's sad. It's a bummer.

He is, he is the most disappointing player on the team. Do you want to move slower? Especially based on the money. He is? Yeah. Wow. Then boom. That's what I thought. That was my guess. 26.5 versus 25. That would have been my guess. This is close, but I would have guessed boom slightly. I want to know at 2022 pre-ACR-R-R-R-ise was with his

sprint speed. That's what it is. That's what I'm looking at. There you go. Well, egg on my guess. my face. He's currently a fifth percentile in sprint speed this year. He's not. He's also first percentile on arm strength.

Really? Yeah, he never really. Yeah, he'd a pea shooter. No, yeah. He's never known for his arm. Hey, sounds like a left fielder to me. No. Bring him back.

Bring him home. Bring him home. They need a right fielder. Yeah. Right on. Hold on. Adoli's hurt. You know who's out there?

Casti. Oh, buddy. great point. West and Wilson got DFA yesterday. What a magical reunion it could be. Cassie back. Oh my God. I think the Eagles are more likely to trade for AJ Brown to bring him back than

Cassie Kevin. Thompson's not here. True. You song me around. You only bring one back. Weston Wilson or Cassie. Wesson. Well,

the last hitter to the cycle. That's right. You think that's going to catch on. In his first major league, bad. I mean, how better, how much better is it get to that?

20 years from now when we're doing this podcast is, is the Westwell's in the last cycle. I hope not. And is it going to catch on like the David Bell last cycle? No, nothing will because like your hate for David Bell was such a special thing. Thank you. It's a unique thing. Awesome.

I don't think anyone could hate West Wilson like that, you know. It was true passion of mine. Yeah. Oh, it was. Yeah. It was a real thing. It was a bit. It became a bit, but it was a bit born out of reality.

Yeah. That's what all my bits are. I know. There's a little bit of reality. I know. I'm seeing that one was like, that wasn't a little reality. That was fully true. You know what that was?

You were telling me about hating David Bell before we did podcast together. That was a long-running thing for you. You want to know what it was? It's the way I kept my granddad alive. Yeah. Because we used to argue about David Bell. And I freaking couldn't stand him. He's a good player.

And he looks miserable. Can he smile? And he went back and you, I don't know, have you watched the video of his home run in that game? No. In today's game, that gets overturned. It wasn't a home run. You're the best.

Triple also. You're the bastard. They thought went over the wall. Was that one? Yeah, because we watched the TV call. They say it's a home run and he stands on third and they just give him the triple. Yeah. See, Tucker also watches all the video yearbooks.

I know. Tucker, you're the weird one. You're the weird one, Salazar. I flew back from Italy. I watched 11 Phillies video yearbooks on the plane. Yeah, to get right for opening that? Because that's what we do.

And that's, he would have known to Marion Boyd last. You said he didn't. I know. I didn't. I was giving you credit. You were too much. Let's take back. we're jumping right into the take bag i know 32 minutes in the pod which i mean i normally do it

like seven eight minutes before this but yeah i know uh so i know that you there's two things i actually want to address with by the way just when i go to the take bag just know that anything you want to talk about the games you can keep going like the take bag is is your world buddy it can be a six hour take back i'm glad that we're discussing the take bag as if we haven't doing the take bag that's my whole point yeah i got it so I have, there's, there's two elephants in the room that we have to address with you. Oh, this was not expecting at all. Yeah.

Well, listen, because again, you're on a baseball podcast. You, I don't really care about your football podcast. You are, I know you don't. You are a baseballman. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. It's my favorite sport. And I believe I heard on the air.

Nervous. This is two of, I got two of the things that you said on the morning show that bothered me. Oh, now you're listening again. This is a problem. You weren't listening for so long with old Jennifer Shagging. That was great. The first one. one was a report I heard the second I listened to.

So the report I heard is that you were just waxing poetically about how excited you are for the World Cup and how, oh my goodness, it's just so fun watching these countries collide. Oh, but when the World Baseball Classic happened, it's like, oh, poo poo, poo, poo, who cares? Your little stupid fake trophy. You know that I got into the World Baseball Classic. I was in. It won me over. What else do you want me to say?

And the whole reason was it didn't have the history. It didn't have the history. Yet. I'm in. It won me over. What do you want me to do? It won me over. I'm in.

But it's the history of it. And also there's more nations involved in a lot. Yeah, that's a fair gripe. What else you got? And I wasn't waxing poetic. I just am excited for it. I know. Anyway, I'm glad.

What else? Now this is New York with your own ears. All right. And then the second thing when you addressed is, is you did poo poo all over Max Scherzerzer's 35, 300. I forgot about it when he said it. I just wasn't thinking. When he was, I was fair.

I didn't mean to prove it. It was pretty cool. It's cool. Yeah, I just, honestly, I just didn't think about it when he was saying. I missed what Joe was trying to do. I didn't, man,

he's 11th all time. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, Furlanders 8th. Yeah. So, like, we got two, we're watching two goats, man. Yeah.

Like, those guys are him. Iner Circle and Kerch are. Inner Circle Hall of Fame. Yeah. Yeah. So we're like a little bit of a golden age of baseball. I love it. We are.

I think baseball, like kind of struggle with SARS until the strike and like maybe this is because the failure sucked but like 13 to 21. I agree with you. The sport was not what. Look, we've talked. I think the pitching clock, the pitch clock, I think these changes

have helped the game and I think having these great playoffs like the World Series last year. That felt like I felt like people I never talked baseball with were talking to me about the world series last year. Well, I think also I thought, I think I think judge in a time it's not bird magic in the 80s, but I mean, having the two biggest teams have those two guys, you know, both feel larger than life.

Yeah. And I don't know. Just like the pitching we have now is really in a fun spot. So, but yeah, 3,500 strikeouts. It was amazing. And dude, if he didn't miss, I think in the last four or five years, he's missed like 200 in some games. Is it that many? Like, if he didn't miss those games, he could be 4,000.

Yeah, he could be 4,000. Yeah, he could. I miss that many games. Yeah. So, um, oh, and then the other thing that I wanted to bring up is, is I really am, I really am like a big fan of, of how Maddingley is running games. Yeah. I thought getting Lazardo out of there, even though it was this six one game,

he got him out of there before, like he didn't let him finish the inning. Yeah. And he was nibbling. He was clearly, you know, didn't have the same stuff. You could see it. Yeah. He got sugared out of there, which I felt like Thompson would have just been like, I, you got to work your way out of this, the seven four game now.

we still have a three-year-on-lead. We're ready to panic just yet. And Natalie's being more aggressive with it. I thought the night before when he pulled, he pulled Crawford in the eighth for in Mundo, we both the lefty on the mound, which feels pretty, I mean,

it feels like something that's old, but it feels like something that we got used to with other managers doing. I feel like Thompson would just, again, let him go out there. 100%. Yeah. But Maddingly was aggressive in going for it.

So I just, the biggest thing that I've liked and the difference between him and Thompson, he's just, I think he's way more proactive. And the other thing he's done that I meant to bring up, because Stocker mentioned it and he's right. And I think he actually stole this from the Blue Jays is, I think he's actually taken a lot from the Blue Jays.

Smart, why wouldn't you? They're a well-run team and they almost won the World Series last year. Like, yeah. He was not what he was. He wasn't like this in Miami. No, yeah. He let starters go forever. Anyway, but they're doing way more running on 3-1, 3-2, 1-out situations.

And he's just trusting the batterers not to, of course, the disaster scenario is you line it to write to a guy and they throw you up. But that's also like, it takes a lot of things for that to happen. If it was a betting man, it's probably what, 10 to 15%? Yeah, probably even less. Probably like 7, 8% or something like that. So he's been doing that more, getting guys in motion. And I think he's trying to, when you can't score runs all the time, if you're not

hitting home runs, you have to find ways to put pressure on the opposing teams. And it feels like the Phillies under Thompson were always receiving the pressure. and it was like, how much can they hold until they break? It's a great way to put it. It's a really nice way to frame it. And I think with Maddenly, there's way more, no, we're going to take it to you a little bit. And I just, I like the way, I'm starting to, I'm getting closer to the point where if he wants to keep managing the team, you just give him the job. I give him the job.

Yeah, overcorra. Overcore. Yeah. Look, he's done a phenomenal job. He has. And even like little stuff like we talked about, I mean, there are no times where he doesn't have a guy up where he's not ready for his situation. It feels like he's always thinking things out. Like he's always ready for things.

And like I like Topper, but there were too many times where it felt like Topper was caught by surprise by something. I was like, oh, wait a guy. I got to get this guy. I got to what up.

Like what? Like that should never happen. And like I'm not, this is not as much credit for Mattingley as stuff that I don't think we gave enough credit to being a real problem with Topper. And Mattingly doesn't do this. And I do hope that I, I hope we see a tangible difference in the postseason.

Yeah. Because I think that's the next test. And that's what matters most at the end of. Of course. Like we, but we've also, we can count on one on maybe two hands the the notable Thompson we can get yeah and and we don't have he's had some games like there was you know the yeah I mean game one of the NLDSs yes yes was phenomenal

23 but game one of the world series it feels like in big moments he's had games where he's like managed throughout the game one had a good play with the with relievers and whatever but it does feel like in in big moment decisions they've gone against him for the most yeah so I just because there's there's people who still do the thing of like this is going to always happen with the players and Thompson and like Tomson and like the people when they hired Manningly we all know where this is going thing yeah I just I do we need to point out the difference between what Maddenly is doing and what Thompson doing I think it's he is doing stuff differently it's not just rolling the ball out there and letting it go and then uh he is pitching a lot but I did like going back to Durrown last night so it's pitching a lot let's get into that real quick because I agree with you especially after his first blown save giving him the shot to get back in there. They had a three run lead. Like I was, I was okay with it.

But I do think, and obviously there'll be moves made in the open. We think, can Gage Wood come up and give him something in the playoffs? Who knows? Whatever. But I do think the potential of multiple inning draw on the playoffs is something you want to have on the table. He said he could do it. He does seem like the kind of guy could do it.

Do you worry at all that they're using them a little too much early in the season as a season progressive? Especially because it doesn't feel like, it feels like there's a team. that's going to play a lot of close games. Oh, yeah. Span of the season. Like, do you worry at all about that because you do, you do want him at his best for the place.

And we've seen, and at Kimbril's older and stuff, but we've seen relievers fall apart from overuse. Yeah. Speaking of Kimbril, I was trying to search something on Twitter the other day. And Twitter's like so bad with search now. So,

it was always not the best. It's like, you can find anything here. Like, even people you follow. Like, I know, like,

what are we doing? So for some reason, my Kimbril tweet from, from in Arizona in like 2023 popped up and I looked at the number dude it had 869 retweets 3,000 likes and like 300

all it was was get crumbral off my team yes all it was I mean you don't talk about the the vitriol the vitriol the ferocity that he and warranted you know well I mean he was good during the regular season but he was an all-star yeah who could forget he was a star him and gasty I know

yeah well who could dude do you're remember it was probably one of my biggest meltdown. Maybe one of my biggest meltdowns at a playoff game was game six, I think, I guess at Diamondbacks. He came in. Oh, yeah.

In like the sixth inning and they still played a stupid intro. Yeah, I remember vividly, dude, you were so mad. So mad. Furious. Yeah, they did the intro. It was ridiculous. Yeah.

They don't have a great feel for that. Our biggest argument was over Kimbril. Yeah. Who to blame more Topper or him? Yeah. Just so much. You were blamed Kimball. I was blamed Topper.

And we were both. I remember Franz and saw me before going into to do that post game show and he saw how mad I was and he was like, don't get fired. Yeah, I remember that. Don't get fired tonight. So, yeah, so of course I'm worried about it. Now, Duran has said multiple times like, I want to work.

He said I want to go multiple things to the playoffs. He said all this stuff. The nice part is that, so he's already had TJ, but he's so, built in a way. He's a hot. He looks like a linebacker. Yeah. Like he's built. So he wants to work his arm. I think his arm's just going to be fine for a couple more years.

There are guys like that. Yeah. There are guys like that. And why I didn't have a problem going back to the last night. I don't think you guys brought this up while I was listening is is, yeah, the off day today and there's a zero percent chance he's pitching Friday. It's a great point. Because it's Painter Mizorowski. They're going to be losing.

So, yeah, we're just going to lose. Schedule loss. How about this? I'll then mo. I'll then know you $200 if Duran pitches on Friday night. He's going to have two days off a lock of the century. That's a really great point. I mean,

just the day off alone after makes sense, but that's a really, really good point. Well, and that was a huge game to get last night because you have Painter and Nola pitching this weekend out there. So it feels like a nice little one to three spot, hopefully against the Brewers.

It's too bad. We don't get Mizoroski Sanchez, though. Yeah, that would have been sick. That would have been sick. And thankfully, Thankfully, they're not playing out that Vegas stadium. Now, dude, that game was wild. I wonder if they changed the balls the next thing night because it was like a 3-1 game in the seventh yesterday.

They had to have. I mean, they did something. I mean, the ball was like launching it. It was a 14, 15, 14 or 14 13 or 13 or everything? It was 11 home runs. It was insane. It was like you were watching the longest drive competition. Yeah, of course.

That's what it looked like. It did look like that. It was nuts. The first pitch of the game, Langley, is it 468. Jonah Haim hit the pop-up to right field that somehow. It was like the juice ball game here against the Diamondbacks and like 20, whatever the juice ball year was where just the literal pop-ups were going out of the ballpark. It was actually horrible to watch.

Yeah, it was too much. It wasn't fun. No. Too much home runs are not fun. No. And again, pop-ups that go out aren't fun. Like every once in a while, Schwerber muscles it and it just keeps flying.

It's like, oh, that was cool. But, like, it's not fun to what, like, baseball should feel a certain way. and you should, when a ball's hit, you should know that's definitely not a home run. Sometimes they get out when you're like, oh, maybe whatever. When it's definitely not a home run, it shouldn't consistently become home run. Yeah. Like, that's it. I agree.

And I tell you what, the the Rambloin that's a which was nonsense. Some of the weakest contact. Yeah, it was super lame. And positioning was bad. I mean, Trey, you know, if he's in a different spot, I'm not blaming him. I'm saying the defensive metrics, whatever. Like, it was just, it was off. Yeah, I don't know.

People have been blaming the positioning. I get it. at some point it is baseball. Like you never know. You're right. You're right. But it does make you feel like like it makes you appreciate what Lidge did in 08. It's insane.

48, man. Do you have an idea what his whip was in, no, in 08? So I don't know. I would, I mean, life on a Lidge, I would guess it's higher than you would think. Just having no. I'll be like 1.2. 1.2. See?

Yeah. I figured it had to. And he didn't blow it safe. It's insanity. That isn't, I'm happy you brought that up because that is an insane combination of things. Like, that's insane. It shouldn't work out. Victorino throughout the guy in Atlanta

that saved one of them. The double play to end the NL East that year. Yeah. It was a great play. It was. And he did blow the all-star game. The most important game. Well, it actually mattered.

Yeah, that year it did actually. Yeah, of course. There's no way. That was like, was that the 14 inning game? Yeah, it was like, because he got up to warm up like six times. Oh, it's a dude, I wrote that in the book and ring the bell. Because I didn't say it to watch that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I did go back and recant it. And how mad you would have been in the moment. Modern day. I would have been. Blowing again. I would have like gone down there and been like like, Tommy,

what are you doing? It's curry. I mean, some of the stuff that used to happen. I mean, he like, I think Charlie Pinchett Coast in like game one down in 08 of the world of the World Series.

And it's like, well, you're catcher. That's your backup catcher. That's your backup. What are we doing here? Yeah. Just it was,

it's funny to go. And that's not something that long ago. No, it's, yeah, it's not been 20 years. And it was also the year that Josh Hamilton had a nutso home run derby. That was wild to watch.

Yeah. That was wild to watch. I hope I hope for in Harper both participate. Me too, man. And it's where you see teammates participate, but like that would be really, really cool. And, you know,

I mentioned last part, but just having the Phillies be involved in the whole thing, it's just it matters to me. Like, it's the only time I'm going to care about the All Star game for the next 30 years.

You know what? But this year, I really care. I'm super into it. What happens in 30 years? The next time it's here, I'm just guessing, I don't know,

40 years, whatever it is. The point is until it's here again, I'm pretty about, 280 doesn't pop. May 275. 275, like the next

the next something again. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah. Everything with baseball. Or 76, where it's a 300 year anniversary. It's a better point. That's even a better point.

Yeah. Can I say? Sometimes, every once in a while I got one. Every once in a while. It's Gagewood Bumpthay, so we're excited about that. Yeah, buddy.

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I like the smoked meats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got all that. So, it's a cool little spot. Beautiful. And you get Miller Light there, which is what we love for. All right. June 20th.

We mentioned before. We are going to Reading. We're going to have an awesome time there again. Families coming hanging out. We're throwing first pitches again. We're throwing the first pitch. I've got to redeem myself. So that'll be great.

I sure Tucker will be out on the field, cameras on our grill. No, I'm going to be at the beach. Oh, come on. Week. Weak guy. It was Go Birds event. We don't do those anymore.

Yeah, that's not a thing. Go Birds events. What's that? You need a sponsor first. They don't let us out in public with other people. Yeah, yeah. Can't let Elliot out. That's right.

His hair. Not with that haircut. And we brought it back around. All right. Seriously, June 20th. Also, June 24th, the garage written house event that we had planned for earlier last month is going to be, it is rescheduled for June 24th. That's coming up as well.

Garage. in Philly in Rittenhouse. So June 20th and Redding, June 24th, Rittenhouse. We'll have more events coming up later in the summer. We'll get those two. But these are the two right now. Yeah, I don't think we have anything in July.

I don't think so either. I think it's August and September. We have a couple, but we'll get them out. But coming out of this, the Redding night is going to be super duper fun. We had a great time last year. You can meet Jill. You can meet Emily.

You can meet Walker and Suddy. Zoe, you'll be run around doing her thing. It's going to be a lot fun. Yeah, I did get my father-in-law to agree to come. So someone to watch Walker and Setties. It's good work. Because Walker does not stop it. I get it.

Trust me. Zoe, I've, and it's fireworks night. Tucker heard this. I mentioned this on the other pod, the woman name, but Zoe,

Zoe calls me and her that she is a Yapachino. Oh yeah. Because her dad is a Yapachino and he does any Yapachino's first job. So she loves to say that. She tells anyone to listen. I was at an outdoor day with her and she telling her,

so did you know my dad's a Yapachino like me? We're both Yapachino. She loves it. It's very cute. Sounds like a salsa. She is selfed out. All right. We'll be back after the weekend.

We won a three. One of three. We're very okay with one of three. Yes, dying for it. I hate going to Milwaukee. They played well there last year. They did. But that feels like the exception, not the role.

But now that's anecdotal. That could be completely wrong. So Sanchez Harrison on Sunday is awesome. That is fun. Very excited for Kyle Harrison. Nola versus Drew Hahn on Saturday. It's a mix. And then tomorrow's a stone loss.

Wouldn't it wouldn't it be fun if Painter, Misaroski were like, dude, Painter just reaches back for a hundred. And he's like back to being painer. Back. What a sad thought. I know.

I know. There are definitely better timelines that we're not a part of. I'm sure of that. All right. We'll be back after the weekend to react to Milwaukee. Until that. And by the way, thanks again to Tony's place.

We had the best time last night. It was awesome. Thanks from the Lail Lowe Ler for, for making it happen. It rock. All right. Until then, he's for some,

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