High Hopes: A Phillies Podcast - There's No Lockout and a Draft of our Least Favorite Phillies Ever

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

James Seltzer and Jack Fritz draft their least favorite Phillies of all time. The guys also talk about the Lockout (kinda) and much more. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hot Cloud Storage on the free Odyssey app or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the high hopes podcast. It's a bunch of baseball nerds talking about the Phillies on radio.com and sports radio, 94 WIP. Another edition of the Hiles Podcast. Aw, what's that for? That was my impression of baseball being locked out, Jack.

We have no baseball right now. What am I supposed to be like, hey? Welcome to the Phillies Podcast where we've got nothing to talk about, Jack. Well, I don't know. I guess a yo for talking to you once a week is like, you know, I would give. Okay, okay. You know what? You know what?

Back it up. Here we go. Okay. Ready? All right. Yo! It is another edition of the High Oaks podcast. How was that, buddy?

Now I can see why Zoe's still awake. I got to be honest. So for those little inside baseball on a baseball pseudo baseball podcast baseball not around um zoe jack was just uh a party to zoe not wanting to leave the basement so i could record screaming i don't want to go upstairs it was it was good stuff yeah and then you turn around and scream i mean she sounds like a self yeah she sounds like a seltzer already, pal. Definitely had a seltzer vibe going there. Yes.

Yeah, for sure. But yeah, no, it's, it's, uh, I don't know.

I gotta be honest, James, like I haven't really noticed baseball's gone. Like I, I, wow. Of all people. Well,

I know because this is what happens every year. Like for sure. We had the floor, the flurry of moves and I was like, wow, this is awesome. But like that doesn't, that never happens like

like deals usually trickle in every now and then like there's maybe like two moves wait till after the meetings it's usually till like you know January February these days for moves to really start out it's a good point Jack it's fair right like this happens every offseason where there's no baseball movement from now until I want to say like early February you get a little bit of movement around the winter meetings, but I guess even then it's like, oh, well this is a rumor or whatnot.

But even the winter meetings have sucked the last couple of years. Yeah. So, so like for me, this is just, dude, Bryce Harper signed in March. Like this is,

this is nothing like honestly, baseball, you got a lot of work to do to kill me. I'm not going anywhere. I'm strapped in for the long haul. I like you. You are just, you're the master at this. Really, truly to just, it's almost like you've convinced yourself there is no lockout.

I swear to you, I legitimately don't think there's a lockout. I put it so far out of my head and I've already convinced myself Kyle Schwarber is a Philly. I gotta be honest, James, if he's not a Philly, I will be just as devastated as if Bryce Harper was not a Philly. It's reached that level. It's probably an untrue statement, but I'm just letting people know how serious I am about it. And, you know, you've really gone down the shwerb hole in it in a big way i know you're like oh that'd be cool i'd be in on shwerbs and then you start watching shwerber film and this and that and then all of a sudden you're like i literally will not be able to breathe

if kyle shwerber is not a philly it's a it's an amazing transformation you've taken yourself well james you and and everyone out there listening i i would say that no one in this media market talks themselves deeper into players than I do. I think we all know that. Keep that in the bio, please. Yeah, well, and you ready for my fun Kyle Schwarber stat of the day? Ooh, is this going to be

a thing? Like, are we going to get a Schwarber stat of the day through the lockout only to have him sign with the Red Sox as soon as it ends? Well, don't put that hate on me. Kyle Schwarber was top 10 in both expected WOBA and O swing percentage, which a there is not a better combination on the free agent market of swing decisions than kyle schorber the guy just knows what to swing at and i will i will bet on that going forward like literally he was top 10 expected wobah i think

he's expected well was 399 and he was he his oh swing percentage which basically means he doesn't chase out of the zone was also in the top 10. Like, that's an elite eye, James. That's an elite eye. You tried to make this exact point on WIP. The listeners' heads would explode. Oh, my God. We'd be starting to get calls like, yeah, I don't want that freaking Wobba. Wobba, get that out of here.

What's his average? Oh, he's 260 last year? Get him out of here. Are you there? Yeah that out of here. What's his average? Oh, he's 260 last year? Get him out of here. Are you there? Yeah, I'm here. I'm listening to React. It was perfect. You want me to keep going?

I feel like he just doesn't work for a second there. Oh. I was locked in, and then I was like, oh, wait, recording a podcast. That was pretty good, buddy. Yeah, let me tell you something about that Schwarber. 260, strikes out a ton. Like, they can break it. Yeah, his OAA was in the one percentile.

Means he doesn't know how to defend to save his life. How's that? How's that? Yes. Yeah, so. The WIB caller said that. I honestly think I might drop that on the spot. Like, I would be so surprised.

You don't think they do outs above average oh buddy well i'm happier in this place this makes me happy i'll be the one who stresses about the labor strife and the you know two groups of people who've hated each other for 60 years and uh i'll stress for us you just live in this college where was it philly land i like it yeah i mean james i i'm pretty good at blocking stuff out i i don't know if you can tell but i can kind of go down you know i could pigeonhole myself as one thing and like i'm not really there's not really much to me you know i like like you're so more credit than that buddy i like there's a lot to you i think you're layered well i'll say this i like baseball jill music my friends

and the highest podcast and tv shows and that's about it yeah yeah that's a good point and rom coms yeah oh i love dude love romcoms. It was funny. A little inside James and I's relationship. I have long trolled James about movies and how any movie would be a better TV show. I firmly believe that any great movie

would make a better TV show because TV shows are just frankly better than movies. This is live trolling on the podcast thank you great but we realized well in driving back from cooperstown a couple years ago james like have you seen this rom-com like yeah have you seen this i was like i basically had seen every rom-com besides uh everyone i brought up except when harry mentale which you saw right and i did love it yeah no i love rom-coms yeah so i know uh so so yeah so i do

love rom-coms but yeah like i just i i can just block out the whole i i have no i have literally zero interest in any labor discussions like i genuinely just like literally wake me up when baseball is off like when they settle this whole thing. Yeah. Well, that's good because guess what? We're not talking about this podcast. Baseball. Labor negotiations. Yes. I sent James, I sent James a hundred things to talk about last night.

Guess what? Not one of the topics was labor discussions. Yeah. Inside baseball. Again, Jack and I were originally going to say, we were like, what if we just did the pod and didn't talk any baseball at all

just went as long as we could without talking baseball but well the longer this goes longer the lockout goes yeah if you take us to february this is gonna become movies and rom-com and tv podcast yeah it'll be our next bit is how long can we go without talking about baseball slash Kyle Schwarber? I love it. You're not allowed to put Schwarber in there. It's going to be the dumbest part for you. Well, it's fine because I still watch Schwarber highlights every single day. Yeah, well, that's important.

We are going to talk some baseball today, but we're going to I think in the spirit of the lockout and the you know, I guess not with you, with you it engenders blissful ignorance, but with me it engenders anger and frustration, obviously, you know, towards the owners mostly, but across the board. Let's have some fun today, Jack. Jack had a great idea. And one of the 15,000 ideas that Jack sent me, again, for there being a lockout right now.

I'm sorry. Don't tell Jack. For there being a lockout right now, Jack, really had a lot to talk about. A lot on your mind. So tell them your idea because I love it and we're doing it. So I wanted for us to build our ultimate starting nine of our least favorite Phillies. Because there's a long list.

It's been a – you don't become the losingest franchise in sports history by having some losers, I guess, on your team. So everyone has their least favorite, and I thought it'd be fun to do a least favorite Phil's starting nine because, James James next week. Yes. Maybe we got to figure out the schedule. Christmas is coming up.

New Year's. So like, let's say coming up soon and then more consistently once the holidays. Right. So our next podcast. There's a decent chance we don't record over the holidays, but we will be back. We were joking about never recording again. Either way, our next podcast,

we're going to draft our all time Phillies team. Go ahead, go head to head and see, and see who built a better team of all time Phillies. It's going to be probably the most devastating thing that's ever happened to you when my team's better than yours like I can't think of something that would hurt someone more than to lose than you specifically losing an all-time Phillies draft like that would just crush you like yeah you wouldn't recover could you recover i don't think you recover no i mean i certainly wouldn't handle it well um i'm usually i'm usually

one that keeps my composure and you know and very even keeled uh but i uh i would not handle that well i would honestly i i don't really like getting into twitter fights if someone started doing my mentions i'd probably just sit there fighting with them all day long like breaking down war and how we'd build this team. But I'm pretty confident in myself. I'm an elite team builder. Everyone knows that. They know the perfect offseason. I'm looking forward to it.

I've seen the perfect offseason here and other places and other places and other places. It seems like, you know, it's really got some widespread to it. I was just going to bring it up. I wonder how many all-time Phil's drafts are going to happen after or in between.

You know, I'm just putting it out there. We're going to put this podcast out on 12-16 between now and when we do our all-time Philly's draft. You beat us to it. We made the mistake of mentioning it yeah well i know teases are important though so i know you know i mean you know life's all about good teases what i tell myself and and bits and bits that's pretty much it yeah life's life's life's too short for it not to be a bit yeah it's about teasing the bits and then doing the bits and then teasing them again. That's the move.

I agree. Also, life update, James. Boom. You know how we used to do Run Fritz Run? Yes. Oh, I know where this is going. You told me earlier. This is pretty impressive.

I mean, it's turning into like a thing. I mean, I'm- How many miles did you run today? Well, yesterday. I ran four miles yesterday. Wow. Yeah. So we're going from the back in the day where i was like oh i did my mile and a half loop and i'm dying to four miles yesterday which and last week i did three miles every single day today i did two and

a half so listen it might be a runner guy i might have to do might have to do the 10k next you know jackie 10k it's pretty disappointing uh of all the things that's happened in the history of this Be a runner guy. I might have to do 10K next. You know, Jackie 10K? It's pretty disappointing. Of all the things that's happened in the history of this podcast, you becoming a runner guy is like top tier. Yeah. Well, wait till I get snooty about it too. Like I haven't even reached snooty.

I'm sorry you're not there yet. I'm shocked. Honestly, I expected it a little quicker. Yeah. Well, it's coming, pal. I know. Trust me. All right., it's coming, pal. I know. Trust me. All right.

Let's do it. Yes. The all-time worst, most hated sports hate. You know, we don't actually hate these people as human beings. But when we talk about some of these people, I'm going to say I hate them because I sports hate them. And that's what's going to happen. Now, important, important distinction. This does not mean they were the worst player just your least favorite yes and also another important distinction only during our lifetimes like you know i i don't know i didn't i didn't see jim

costanti like i don't know if he was a jerk and i would have hated having him on my team i wouldn't use an mvp but you know what i'm saying like if there's some guy from the 60s or 70s that everyone hated like we're sorry they're not gonna be on our list we're just doing guys we personally hated right there fair as it is okay you want to start or should i well we'll start a catcher we'll go around the diamond obviously we'll say picture for last i know technically a picture is the one but we going to go catcher around the diamond back to pitcher. All right. I will go first on catcher, and then I'll give you first pick on first base,

and we'll go from there, okay? Love it. Love it. I am taking the woats of the woat catchers. I'm sorry, James. You can tab him as well. But Rod Barajas, easily. Wow.

Rod Barajas. The worst. Didn't protect home plate. Gave up on his teammates. 2007 Phil's was a disappointment. Now I will say, Rod Barajas did pave the way for Chooch to take over for him and turn out to be the best catcher in Phil's history. I mean, yeah, probably.

I mean, Levy would be offensively better, but I think I'd take Chooch. Well, Dutch. yeah, probably. I mean, Levy, you know, would be offensively better, but I think I'd take Choo Choo. Or Dutch. Dutch Boone. But Dutch wasn't as long, you know, as long run. But Dutch would be up there, too. But, yeah, it's – Not many guys – I mean, Bob Boone was legit back in the day.

But, yeah. Not many guys have caught three no-hitter slash perfect games. Yep. That's true. Choo Choo. Not many guys have been the catcher of the Philadelphia Phillies when they won a World Series. Only two, yeah.

Only two. This is where it's going to get fun. First of all, look, I'm honestly shocked you didn't say JT Romito, but I'm happy that you did. No, I don't. Along those lines, honorable mention Andrew Knapp on my list. He didn't make the top spot, but I mean, after this past season, let's be honest, dude went back to being Andrew Knapp,

the Andrew Knapp we all hated. What a horrendous baseball player he was at the end of the year. But here's the fun thing about our list, Jack, is that we'll get a few of them here on my list where I can add a little, what's it? Oh, I'm an old man flavor love it um so so my catcher who the philly signed and i was so excited as a kid because i knew him from the tigers i was like this dude is a baseball player he's awesome he's gonna be a philly and then lance parish sucked as a Philly. He was horrible. Like, what a disappointing signing, as they all were,

until Jim told me, like, my whole life, any signing they ever made, it was like, that sucked. Any big one. It was not that there were that many. But Lance Parrish is, like, a perfect example of someone we were excited about. He's a good baseball player, came here, and stunk. Not a Lance Parrish fan. Yeah, well, and Lance Parr parish is one of those guys that always

gets talked about when it's like what's the worst free agent signing in philadelphia sports history it's him uh and then it's like well who's the other one danny tartable well yeah don't tease my list too much oh sorry sorry sorry little danny tartable coming later love it love it so i actually i i it's my turn on first base and I actually realized that I think this is an unfair one and I'm gonna I'm trying to pivot on the fly because I forgot that when I was younger I met him and he was like the nicest guy like he was such a nice guy so I hesitate I was going with a similar vein because when Greg Jeffries was a man, I love that dude as a baseball player. I was so excited that the Phillies signed him.

I was like, yes, Greg Jeffries. Like what a stud. And he was good for like one year and then he stunk with the Phillies. So it always disappointed me. But I forgot that when I was seven years old, I met Greg Jeffries. And he was like a sweetheart of a guy, Jack. He was such a nice guy. So I feel bad about putting Greg Jeffries on my list.

But as a Philly, I didn't like Greg Jeffriesffries i mean you gotta do what you gotta do now i will say i will say i can't really cut audio and use it later but did you say the term i love that guy as a met i mean you use the listeners may or may not know as As a player. Yes, as a player. He's a good player. The listeners may not know, but James was actually born in New York. Well, yes. They talk about that all the time. Lived there. I'm smelling it. You a big Steve Cohen guy, too?

Yeah. Okay. This is good. Anything else you want to tell the listeners? Good stuff. My first baseman, I was going to use him for third base, but then i remembered he also played first base how about that wes helms i hated wes helms man like oh my god he was such a

loser oh his face just screamed i'm gonna strike out he had a terrible swing it was slow he killed us with the marlins randomly like like him and freaking Conine. Like, Wes Helms would randomly be good against us. And then we signed him. And it was like Orlando Skandrick when he signed with the Eagles. Like, you just never trusted him. He was always a Marlin. Never embraced him.

Never got a big hit. Wes Helms is my first baseman. Such a great one. Total loser. Hated his face. Like, I hate the face guy. Not a Wes Helms fan. Good one.

Yes. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Second base. I have a controversial answer, by the way, but you're up first. Okay. Second base is a loaded answer.

But since I'm going first, I'm taking him off the board. He was the worst. He was the worst. He was terrible. He came up to bat in the final out of Game 7 of the 2016 World Series. They were all afraid of this Michael Martinez. And everyone in Philadelphia was like, is that Michael Martinez? Shout out to Brian Coulter for that tweet that I feel like comes up once a year honestly it's one of my favorite tweets in twitter history the brian

coulter tweet it's so good it's like yeah a chicago cubs twitter like you know freaking out indians twitter tweet get out philly's twitter michael martinez we all knew how that i bet was gonna end so i would have bet my life if i if you could and back then they didn't have like live in-game betting and all that stuff like if i could like live in-game bet my life on an at-bat i would that would have been the one i would choose like i would have bet everything i had he wasn't gonna come through imagine seriously like imagine him coming through with a big hit to end like to to get the get cleveland the guardians the guardian a world series um but yeah like imagine him coming through in that moment and like and like he goes down the problem is you can't you can't imagine it like you can't he goes down and cubs infamy is the michael martinez game like it just it was

never gonna happen so michael martinez is my second baseman it's a great answer i thought about putting him there i i the reason i didn't was just because like i never expected anything from michael martinez he didn't play that much where i was like i was just like oh that guy sucks like he's a horrible baseball player like that was my only but i didn't dislike him because and you'll see with my answer here there were never any expectations from michael martinez My answer for second base, and this could be controversial, but I believed in him. I thought he was going to be a stud. I thought he was going to be a part of this podcast

in the sense that we were going to talk about him for years as this foundational piece. Scott Kingery, you suck. You suck. What a disappointment you are. You've got millions of dollars, and you didn't earn a penny of it. And I'm super bummed that you're costing money on my luxury tax over your car owner.

Obviously won't go over it for nothing. So Scott Kingering, my least favorite second base. Yeah, it's a good answer. It's a good answer. What a disappointment. Can I put my extras out here for second base? Oh, please. Absolutely. Ty Kelly, who I base? Oh, please. Absolutely.

Ty Kelly, who I to this day think I can get out. I think he hit a home run against the Mariners. And I was like, how did that happen? And also, can we be honest here? And no offense to Ty Wigington. And no offense to anyone listening to this podcast who goes by Ty. Go by Tyler. Ty sounds ridiculous.

Like, it's the thing you tie around your neck. Like, T-Y looks stupid. It's like a stupid-looking word. It doesn't look like a word. Wow. Ty is dumb. Sorry. I'm so sorry.

Going after Ty Daubert, huh? Wow. That's a great listener to the podcast. I mean, think about it this way. Tyler Daubert. Boom. Like, that's a great listener to the podcast. I mean, think about this. Tyler Daubert. Boom. Like, how much better does that sound? Yeah, you're telling him to grow up a little bit?

Yeah. I mean, look, if your name is actually Ty and it's spelled differently or whatever, different discussion here. But when it's T-Y and your name is Tyler, just go Tyler. The strong take on Ty. Thank you. I feel like I had to bring it. My other name was John McDonald.

John McDonald. I forgot John McDonald. You're going with some obscure dudes. I couldn't stand it. I don't think you got a hit here. I really don't. I'd have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure. This is good because I think my list is more mainstream where you're getting the real deep cuts, which I love. That's what I do.

That's us. That's what we do here it's perfect all right you got you got first for short stops oh so we're go so you're you're you're not a a you're go oh i'm not the book guy where it goes five four because in my list i had third base all right go third base no no no go third base go third base okay all right i hate this guy turns out he seems like a total asshat of a person, too, but that's neither here nor there. I don't know him well or whatever. I'm talking just sports aid. Another guy we had expectations for.

We thought he was going to be good. Not as good as we thought Kingery was going to be, but he turned out to stink. Cody Ashy. You suck, Cody Ashy. Thank you. Okay. Poor Cody.

He was the next Utley this was i think there were real expectations there you know whatever uh i'm going with no one else but david bell i mean there was no one else that was possibly going to make my list for third base even if he took david bell i wouldn't have cared. He would look so miserable to be here. Didn't look like he smiled once playing for the Phillies. Me and my granddad used to fight about David Bell. He liked him. I hated him.

I think I ended up being right on that. So I will always hold that against David Bell. And it still drives me crazy that he is the last Philly to hit for the cycle. It drives you so crazy. You bring it up so often. I need it. I need it to end.

It's one of those really random things that really no one else in the world cares about but you. Well, I think Philly's fans care about the David Bell thing. We need another cycle. We can't keep having to remember the David Bell cycle. It was not... All I remember is this,

is that I was so not happy that he hit for the cycle the night he hit for the cycle. I was like, oh, really? This guy who stinks hit for the cycle? So, yeah, no. It was not a David Bell guy, and I need the cycle thing to end so we can move on and erase the name from the Phillies record books. Shortstop. So this is going to be controversial because he had one moment that people

love to remember and really inflate how good this guy really was. When we, when I really remember this guy as captain double play, and that is Wilson Valdez, who literally was allergic to not, like he would ground into double plays every single time he hit. He stung, he stung.

Oh my gosh. He's a better pitcher than he was in the NFL. Oh, it was dreadful. Like it was literally dreadful. And to this day, it's like, oh, Wilson Valdez, he pitched that one time. It's like, yeah yeah he also ground into like a hundred dollar plays for the 2011 fills so uh like i don't want to hear any more of the wilson valdez thing so uh wilson valdez my least favorite shortstop of all time gotta admit shocked you didn't go freddie and i know

it's not freddie but the freddie fans like you know that's always been one of your i know i know i agree that i was gonna put freddie there uh but then i remember like i was excited that he came back like it was cool it was cool it was cool to see freddie again if we do this podcast three years ago freddie is my shortstop just because like okay oh my god it was like oh he's a gold glover no he never won one he's better than and than Angleton Simmons. You didn't know that? Yes. Right, right, right. So, yeah, Freddie would have made it, but I was, you know,

happy to see Freddie this year. Okay. Mine, I'm going to do another old guy one. And again, it's, you know, my old guy, not super old guy.

Even though, to Jack, I am a super old guy. This is one where I hated him before I even saw him play. This is strictly as a player, nothing, you know,

but I grew up with my dad. Like whenever my dad would make a joke about the worst hitter, Steve Jelts was the name that he would say. He's like, oh, that guy's, the only guy that guy's better than is Steve Jelts or Steve Jelts made Mendoza look like a, you know, like all kinds of jokes. Like my dad just would tear Steve Jelts

apart and I came into Steve Jelts just saying this guy's the worst and guess what he was the worst he was a horrible hitter he was horrible to watch Stevie Jelts my shirt seems like a fine fella but as a baseball player not great yeah again another one of those names

that always gets brought up when we're talking about this is Steve Jelts. Desi Relaford had some out-of-nowhere comments, like ripping Philly, like two years ago. Really? Yeah, that got everyone all upset. I thought you were going to go Relaford, but Steve Jelts is a good one. Okay.

Right field, I mean, why don't you go first? Because mine you already mentioned before. It's just a quick Danny Tardy. The guy signed. He was here for 11 games. games he was so good in kansas and he's like the yankees like yes and not just that he got hurt and then was like bleep it i'm just retiring i'm done that's great danny thanks man he played 11 games for the phillies and then retired like awesome and i i this is always just brought up, but about the day Tartable has the worst signing ever.

Because they gave him like a million a year, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah, they paid him like in those days. And again, he played 11 games and retired. I think in the end it sounded bad a sign because he retired. You know, he didn't lose too much long term, but just brutal. Well, yeah. And then I watched, Jill and I rewatched Seinfeld and the Danny Tartable episode. Oh, with George, but just brutal. Well, yeah, and then I watched Jill and I rewatched Seinfeld

and the Danny Tartable episode. Oh, with George, it's great. Yeah, that's the guy that I love. I love that episode because people never talk about it, but that is the true invention of launch angle. Launch angle is what, because they're talking about launch angle.

That's how you hit the ball in the park. You're like, no, no, you gotta hit it up like this. That's launch angle. Revolutionary. Get George Costanza in the Phil. The market's like, now you got to hit it up like this. And like, that's launch angle. Revolutionary. Get, get, get George Costanza in the Phil's analytics department. Let's get this thing going. What have I been saying?

What have I been saying? I've been saying it forever. The Phil's are Costanza way. Been saying it for years. Uh, again, my right fielder might be controversial, but don't do Bryce.

It's not fair. Jack. I know. I know. MV3, MV3. Um, it's not fair jack i know i know mv3 mv3 um it's not bryce but he also had a lot of expectations coming in here and honestly it made me more mad when he left and turned into this like oh the the heart and soul and leader of a giants team and that is hunter

pence i i was so excited when they traded for Hunter Pence. They had to bat him fourth with Howard out and he just could not do it. Another guy who I felt like grounded into 200 double plays a year. Hunter Pence, like, sure, good game. Let's go eat. That was a fun moment when he first got here,

but they needed him to be the Worth replacement and Hunter Pence, who I think him to be the Worth replacement. And Hunter Pence, who I think is more talented than Worth, literally could not do it. So Hunter Pence, I think if he was better, those teams would have had a better chance to compete for a World Series. But he did not live up to the hype here. And again, I got to San Francisco and did exactly what we wanted. Oh, my gosh. He's like firing whole team up and turning into a legend. And here he was one of the guys that could not handle Philadelphia. Yeah, that's a really good one.

And it's one you wouldn't think of. No one's thinking that because he seems like such a great guy too and all that. He's a fine guy. Yeah. So awkward, though. I know he's great as a player, but he looks so awkward doing it. He's one of those guys where it just doesn't look like it's your work, and it does.

But it did here. It's a great one. Well, the swing was so weird. Yeah, he did the whole thing. He was so herky-jerky in everything he did, you know? I know. I know. It never made any sense.

And then what, his age is like 38 season with the Rangers? He made an all-star team out of nowhere when he's playing, I think he might have been playing the Mexican League in the offseason. He went all the way back to the beginning pretty much. All the way down to the bottom. Got back to the top. Made an all-star team and retired. The Hunter Pence, he was

so good when he was in the Philly, which is frustrating. It seems like a trend at times. Center fielder, I would be shocked. Shocked if we don't have him in the same race. Am I going first? I'll go first.

You go first. I just took Pence. You go first. Okay. I mean, it's Odubo Herrera. Like, hate that guy. Hate, hate, hate. Hate him.

And we obviously hit him off the field. Like, he would win this for off the field. We were doing, like, most hated off the field athletes. He would be right at the top of our list, but I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about the moron who played for my team for five years, six years, whatever it was like the idiot who every single night, every single game found a way to do something stupid to not hustle, to not run out of the box, to like bat flip on a lazy fly ball to right field. Like, like what an annoying baseball player have on your team?

Like, and again, hate him off the field too. But like, just as a baseball player, Jack, like what a dumb moronic player to have on your team who causes way more harm than he does good. I hate, hate Odubo Herrera as a baseball player. Um, yeah, I mean, listen, I mean, listen, he was a very frustrating player for a lot of people, and the off-the-field stuff certainly didn't help.

But, my answer is actually Captain Noodle Arm, Ben Revere, who, like, oh, the whole, oh, he batted 300. I actually should have seen it. Oh, he batted 300. I don't have seen it. Oh, he batted 300. I don't care.

Oh, my God, I don't care that he batted 300. It was 300 singles. Like, it was just single there, single there. Like, all that stuff. And, oh, in the center field. No one's defense is more overrated here than Ben Revere. Like, he wasn't good at tracking the ball. So, it was like, oh, well, like, I'm so fast that I'll get behind

and then I'll run it down and catch it. That's how he made the catch in Cincinnati and stuff like that. Like, you just couldn't – he didn't get good jumps on the ball. And, again, the batting average thing, it's like, wow, I batted 300. It's like, yeah, that's fine, but they're not impactful 300. And also, I'm 99% sure I had a stronger run than him. Like, he could not throw the ball from center field uh in like on on a line it was it was a lollipop every time yeah i didn't hate ben revere as much

as you but the arm i'm i'm definitely with but i i just knew what ben revere was i didn't expect him to be more than you know that 300 was like yeah this is great this guy's getting on base good for you ben but i get. He was more annoying than not. By the way, I feel, I got to say, I feel like an idiot, Jack, because I did this whole thing about going around the diamond, and then I did right field before left field. Yeah. How does that feel?

Yeah. Like an idiot. For being real about it, I feel pretty dumb. Good. Pretty dumb. Good. That's what you get. That's called accountability.

It is. All right, left field field you're up first left field i am taking a guy who they drafted number one in the 2016 rule 5 draft and that was tyler goodell he what what i hated watching. I forgot Tyler Goodell was a Philly. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't. I had to. He was so skinny. I was like, this guy has no shot. I remember there was legitimate hype about Tyler Goodell coming from the Rays. He could be something. They stole him from Tampa. And then he got here. And I think Elliot might have more power than Tyler. Like I seriously do. Tyler Goodell was awful. And like the only thing he's known for is like throwing out the, the guy at home plate against the reds, you know,

and when Cameron Rupp blocked the plate, the only good thing from the Tyler Goodell era. And it honestly just having him play left field was just a total waste of time. All right. I went with a much more mainstream answer. First and foremost, I mean, dell era and honestly just having him play left field was just a total waste of time all right um i went with a much more mainstream answer first and foremost i mean jd drew is the answer but he never really was a philly so like it doesn't count but we all know jd drew the most hated left fielder in philadelphia philly's history whether he was ever philly or not hate that guy hate him hate him

uh but in terms of someone who's on the team and look again a controversial answer because the bat is great and i really appreciate it and i love him and i'm happy he's here but you know that year watching reese hoskins play left field is like the single biggest abomination to fielding that i've watched in my lifetime and my entire life watching baseball including like as a team it was the phillies for the first two months of this season. We all remember that, you know, but, but in terms of just one player in one position, it's the worst thing I've ever seen. Jack, we had to watch a year of the worst left fielder, the worst outfielder we've ever seen in our lifetime.

And for that, I'm sorry, Reese, you're on the list. Wow. Is that, is that, is that, is that too much? Well, well, I mean, I'm sorry, Reece. You're on the list. Wow. Is that too much? Is it overboard? Well, I mean, Reece and left field, I can't believe they did that. You want to talk about miscalculation of resources? They can't even move around at first base. It's unbelievable.

What were they thinking? All that just – if you're signing Jim Tomey, I get it. If you're signing – Yeah. Carlos Santana. All this for Carlos Santana? Are you kidding me? Santana's a fine player, but Reese just had a monster year.

You're trying to build off that, and the first thing you do is you stick him in left field? Yeah, it's just crazy. It should have been a bigger red flag. By the end of the year, they had Santana playing third. They had Justin Boer somewhere. Oh my god. The first year of the end of the year they had like they had santana playing third they had justin boer somewhere

oh my god like there was the first year of gabe klintak was insane what they what they tried to do like really really like and they won 80 games somehow i know i know yeah that's how gabe got the most he could out of that team jack wow nothing ever came of gabe right like he he got fired from here and never got another job. I don't even know what he's doing. He's probably, you know, I don't know. He's back to blogging. Yeah.

That's probably what he's doing now. So, you know, I mean, they made the right decision moving on from Gabe and keeping contact for that extra year. It was a really, really good time. That with the Gabe thing, like, obviously, you know, mom and all that, but, like, game thing like obviously you know mom no but like the the keeping contact for the extra year was like by far the only because they had to pay him like literally it was only because that's the point and and you literally missed out on time

from like because that would have been the hire like that would have been the high well i don't know he might have gone to boston anyway he might have gone to boston anyway but like that was the off season if you got rid of him was a finalist before like it made sense of me from philly you know all that i still think you would have chosen boston over over he might have he might have and that's a separate thing he might have well honestly i think it worked out pretty well i mean i know i know i do too i'm happy with dave i'm not you know i'm just saying like that that move of keeping clint doug dexter here really was just a horrendous decision yeah well in time, it was only because they just didn't want to pay him to not do anything. They didn't want to pay him to go away.

And he was still getting paid last year. And I know what he did for the Phillies. But yeah, recent left was insane. And people talk about Schwarber's defense. Schwarber looks like a gold glover compared to Will Riesman. Oh my god yeah and schwerber schwerber again was like in the first percentile on baseball savant of like uh uh oaa or whatever like literally one of the worst defenders in the sport and i listen it wouldn't be great having schwerber out there but again when we're coming from the baseline i've had to watch a

season of reese hoskins field, uh, it's fine. Everything's great. All right. Starting picture. This is a Jack was kind enough because when he suggested this idea to me, I only said, I was like, well,

we're obviously going to have the same starting pitcher. And he goes, Oh, this person. I was like that person. He's like, I'll pick someone else. You can have him,

but everyone should know that the clear 100 decision for both of us between the two of us the immediate name that i thought of when this list came up the only man certainly in philadelphia and honestly maybe in the history of ring ceremonies to get booed as he got his world series ring adam eaton we, buddy. We hate you so much. And he probably – $24 million. Probably hates us back, which – I mean, it is –

Jack, do you think – I mean, I know it's in Philly. We haven't had many of them. But, like, do you think he is the only person to ever get booed in a World Series ring ceremony? I would think so. I mean. That's got to be.

I mean, come on. Like, that doesn't happen. Well, and I'll never forget. I was there and very proud. I was too. Very proud to boo him. Yeah. I was booing.

I was a hearty boo. I was a hearty boo. I could not stand. And he's so smug about it. Oh, he's so smug. And what drives me crazy is uh like when they when they clinch in 07 and it's a dog pile and everyone's freaking out the first face you see is adam eaton giving his dorky little high five to whoever um the first face you see when the phil is clinched

the nld is that waste of 24 million dollars so, Adam Eaton is far and away the leader for our rotation. But I will say, I started thinking about it more and more. He might have been a better investment than Mr. Jake Arrieta. Ooh, I don't hate this move you're making here. I mean, $25 million a year? I mean, at least Eaton was 24 over three years. I mean, Jake Arrieta, who was a total stiff here for three years, was just dreadful.

Like, literally was done $25 million a year for absolutely nothing. Jake Arrieta gave this team absolutely nothing. He was trying to fight Todd Frazier. He threw Scott Kingery under the bus. No, no, no. He always took ownership.

It was always his fault. He never put it on anyone else. Very accountable. Very accountable. That's the first thing I think of when I think of Jake Arrieta. Two other guys that would be rounding out my rotation of least favorite. Brett Oberholzer,

who literally, every time I took the mound, I was like, oh, they have no shot tonight. Brett Oberholzer, one of the Ken Giles trade guys, I think might be from here. I don't know, but just awful. And then Tyler Cloyd, who I will never forget,

85 miles an hour coming up through the system while I was throwing 85 miles an hour, like back in the day, got up here and was just dreadful. So Tyler Cloyd also on my rotation. That's a good one. All right. Finally, relief pitcher. There's a lot.

There is a ton. But the one that got, all right, so, all right, there's a lot. But the one that I will vividly remember just loathing, and then eventually I got under his head at Citizens Bank Park when there was batting practice, and he was with the Marlins, and me and my friend were in left field for batting practice, and he was out there shagging fly balls, and I yelled to him, Qualls, you suck and the two teammates turned around saying yeah keep going keep going chad qualls uh i could not stand him uh as a philly so chad qualls would be my

answer now there's a lot of other answers but uh chad qualls was just dreadful here yeah so it's a great answer chad qualls i'm listening you said there's so many i said you know i thought i really went through a lot of names rifled through names then i said you know what this is our list this particular one that was my list i can do whatever the hell i want i'm taking the 2020 phillies bullpen wow the entire group sorry hector i really do love you you're the man but like you're all in the worst bullpen we've ever seen the worst bullpen in the history of the sport we hated those guys hated those guys you gotta i mean you're the worst bullpen ever jack the 2020 phillies bullpen they have to be on there yeah i mean work workman and Hembree are the one...

Workman and Hembree are right there. Brandon Kintzler from 2021, you'd probably throw him on the list. You're giving away an ace in Pavetta. It's just... What it really symbolized was giving away talent for nothing.

Connor Seabold. It was the last of many horrendous moves in the Matt Glenn Tech era. Yeah, what a GM. What a GM. Oh, God, Brandon Werfman. God, I hated that guy.

Henry. On the face. There was no worse face to see when the Phils blew a game than Brandon Werfman. He just had the mopey face on all the time. Just, again, dreadful. And Boston, he was good. He was good in the L.E.s. And just again dreadful and like he like boston he's good he's good in the at least and then he came here and it was like oh just every time he came to a game i

was like oh wow they're gonna blow this awesome uh my uh my extra name on this was of course the oh monster i mean come on how could how could it not be the oh monster how could it not jack it's a really good point well i mean listen you trade cliff lee it's like uh like honestly the idea of trading cliff lee actually made sense it's just they didn't get one prospect out of it like they they tried to rebuild the farm system on the fly and do it with one big trade and it completely like the oh monster uh tyson Tyson Gillies, JC Ramirez, like they tried to do it. It just didn't work.

But the Omonster was the, I guess, the prize of that and literally couldn't throw a strike. Just could not throw a strike. So Omonster, congratulations. You are an extra in my bullpen, but Chad Qualls will always be number one and I have real estate in his head. Yeah, not to, you you know offend more people who couldn't help it but be named something but i mean a pitcher named philippe you just had to

know that wasn't gonna work right it's like oh philippe i'm scared of philippe on the hill yeah man it didn't help but he was six eight he was six eight though his name was philippe i mean i don't know i wouldn't be scared of a guy named Philippe, right? Plus, he's Canadian. Who would ever believe in a Canadian pitcher? Another great point, Jack. Pavetta. This is fun. I think this is cathartic right here. Getting a little

hate out when we need it to. Well, listen, it's been a long time. I mean, it's been a literal decade in between playoff appearances, and there's been a long time. I mean, it's been a literal decade in between playoff appearances, and there's been a lot of pain from that point on, a lot of hope in some cases, and just a lot of mostly disappointment in the last 10 years of Phil's baseball. But at least they're not a lockout, right?

Well, that's the good part is that there's no lockout going on right now. There's no lockout going on. Everything's fine in the sport. the good part is that there's no lockout going on right now there's no lockout going on everything's fine in the sport and uh come february we'll be down in clear water just excited for kyle schwarber to be in the lineup uh ready to go ready to bat lead off and and lead the fills to a 2021 2022 actually uh nl east title love it all right i'm gonna go put my yelling daughter 2021, 2022, actually. And at least a title. Love it. All right. I'm going to go put my yelling daughter to bed soon. Is there any take-back stuff?

Or have we kind of covered it all? You know, I got nothing to take back. I will say today's the anniversary when they traded for Roy Halladay, which, of course, was an exciting day, except it also meant trading away Cliff Lee, which is one of those days, like, what the hell's going on? And I got a new tv today and i've already started thinking about yeah yeah yeah early christmas gift early christmas gift and

my first thought was wow kyle schwarber is going to hit 36 home runs and i'm going to see them all on this tv all right um we'll be back soonish Certainly no later than after the holidays. Maybe during the holidays. We'll see how it plays out. Either way, we're going to be back with an all-time Phillies draft. Don't worry. I'm sure there will be a lot of all-time Phillies drafts out there in the meantime now that this is out there. So you'll be able to find them when you want to, I'm sure.

But we're going to bring it. Me versus Fritz. Fritz versus me. Fritz, like sanity on the line here vs. Fritz. Fritz vs. Me. Fritz! Sanity on the line here. This is big. A lot of Twitter polls. An article on the website.

We'll blow this thing up. I'm so excited. This was fun, buddy. I'm happy we're talking. Never mind. Even though baseball's there, nothing else is going on. I don't know what you're talking about he's written something