High Strange - Episode 02: Something Physical

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

Stories are one thing. Evidence is another. This episode explores encounters that stop being abstract and start leaving injuries, marks, and physical traces behind.   Want more? Our High Strange music playlist is now available exclusively on Apple Music. Visit the link in our show notes or go to apple.co/highstrangeplaylist  To access our book list, go to apple.co/highstrangebooks  To find us in Apple Maps, go to apple.co/highstrangeguide For ad-free listening and bonus content, subscribe to Tenderfoot+ now! Members get all episodes ad-free plus bonus content throughout the season. Sign up at apple.co/highstrange. For Spotify, Google, and other Android users, visit tenderfootplus.com.   Follow along on social and the web: @highstrange on Instagram @highstrange on TikTok highstrange.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's your home. That's your husband. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. At a Morehouse college, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King's senior. It's the true story of protests and rebellion in black American history that you'll never forget.

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I really struggled with it. The more I remembered, the weirder it got. Something has physically happened to me. Like in an interview like this, Half an hour ago, it turned on. What do you mean? You've been talking to it ever since. It's working now.

Right now. You can see it. You can feel it. Can I feel it? Is that weird? No, you can feel it. It's right here, right under my hand, right now. This is a piece of biomechanical technology.

An alien implant. I'll tell you this story. Hey, guys, real quick. I know it's annoying. I mean, I hate doing it. But if you're enjoying High Strange, could you please, pretty please, rate and review it and also hit the follow button on your podcast app? I don't know. The algorithm likes this stuff. It means a lot to us and it helps us in the charts. And also, I want to hear your genuine feedback. It takes literally 30 seconds and you can do it right now as you're listening. It means a lot to us here at Tenderfoot and to me personally. Enjoy the show. Welcome to High Strange. King Lai. Tonight's close encounters of the third kind.

Whitley Shreber says they're really out there. He is Whitley Streber, there is the book, and it is a continuation of his enormous bestseller Communion. In the late 1980s,

Whitley Streber had a moment in pop culture. After I finally realized that this probably was real, something that was non-human, that was intelligent, started trying to challenge it to get through my fear. Over a period of months, I formed a relationship with them that I believe could be a template almost, almost as if they have one end of a phone and we've had two wires.

How do you know you're not nuts? Well, first of all, we were flooded with thousands of letters from people who basically wanted to know if I could help them explain what had happened to them. and these stories, one after another, that had elements to them, unpublished elements to them, that suggested that this is much more than a dream, that there is something happening to people that's similar from case to case. Late night television, talk shows, bestsellers,

but outside all the mainstream success, there were hundreds, then thousands of people who reached out to him privately, who were saying this happened to me, too. some details that weren't even public. And that's when the question shifts. Not is Whitley lying. But more like, why are so many people describing the same thing? What happens next is where Whitley's story gets even harder to categorize.

About a year later, one of my neighbors came over to the house. He shows up and he says, Whitley, I saw that happen. and I nearly dropped my teeth. He was a retired state trooper. He said, we were driving home about 2 o'clock in the morning on that night. And he said, I saw what I thought was the Goodyear Blimp in a field.

He said, I stopped because I thought that it must be in trouble or it wouldn't be there in the middle of the night. Got out of the car, struggling through the snow, going toward it to try. try to help them. It was obvious to him, something's wrong. As he moved toward it, he heard screaming, and he began to move faster. In his mind, it was a blip that had gone down and people

in it were screaming. So he needed to get there to help him. Then, lights turned on all over it, started making a growling noise and coming toward him very quickly, panicked, jumped back into his car and drove off. And he said to me, I'm just so embarrassed. I shamed the fact that I ran. And I said to him, if you tried to help me, God knows what would have happened to you. Then I knew. I knew this had really happened.

In my opinion, that was me in there. That's what he thinks, too. It was the right time and the right night. Everything. Many people have read your book. You caught my attention, okay? How often do these people visit you? I have been with them a couple of tons.

They're real. And I was not unconscious or in an altered state of mind. One night, this very peculiar event took place. Yeah, you were visited. It was a May night in 1989. It was about 11 o'clock at night. night, Anne had just turned in and I was going to sleep. Windows were open because it was warm, and I heard crunching of gravel in the driveway.

I thought, very bad news. It was clearly a vehicle of some kind, plus they had no car lights on. I had a shotgun under the bed and a pistol in the drawer beside the bed, plus a bank of switches that could turn on floodlights all around the house. As I became fully awake, I heard a man's voice say, condition red. I'm not talking about aliens now, am I? I'm talking about people. I started to go for the lights. There's a man and woman standing in the doorway of the foot of the bed.

They looked like people. I was scared to death. Alarm system was right beside the door of the bedroom. L.A.D. was still red. In other words, they hadn't breached the system, but they were still in the house. They had to have breached it somehow because you can't get in the house without breaching it. Forget floodlights.

I'm going for the Benelli riot gun under the bed. The next thing I know, they pushed me over onto my right side. I can't move, can't see, I'm totally helpless, paralyzed. He's pushing the side of my head into the pillow again and again like that, and the woman's voice is talking very gently.

A couple seconds later, there's a huge flash of light. I jump out of bed. I grab the pistol. I run through the house looking for a breach in the system. There's nothing. It's all intact. I think, is this a lucid dream or what happened? I go out to the garage.

Alarm system's still intact. It's not tripped. Still on. Damn, garage door is wide away. And that's not possible. The alarm system is still armed and the garage door is wide open. So how do you rationalize that? Well, I called the alarm man.

I said something screwed up with the alarm system. My garage door is right open. I'm looking at it and the system's not tripped. He comes over, his gauce meter finds this incredibly powerful magnetic field on the garage door that we have no explanation for whatsoever. It's not his switches. It's just there. Magnetic field so powerful that the door was wide open and the switch hadn't been tripped.

We're not talking about dreams or sleep paralysis. We're talking about a locked house, a homeowner with a firearm, an alarm system that never trips, and people. Not aliens or ghosts, but other people inside his home. When he says, I'm not talking about aliens. now. It almost becomes more confusing. And fear sounds different when it's human. A few days pass and my ear begins to hurt. His ear would turn red and he felt this little bump inside it. The doctor says it's a cyst. My ear would turn red. I touch this and I feel a bump. My ear would turn red and I'd hear this

noise. About three or four years later, we moved down to Texas, my hometown of San Antonio. Having dinner with some friends, one of them was a doctor, and I mentioned my ear. He feels it. And he said, it feels like a little cyst to me. I can pop it out at my office. Come over tomorrow morning. We go to his office and we videotape the whole thing. This is what happened. Let me go ahead and just make an incision around that. I feel it again. He opens an incision.

He sees a white disc. Oh, that looks at a white thing. But see, this will last. Whitley did, in fact, film this. I wouldn't say it's the best quality ever, but it looks like he's actually at the doctor. When he touches it with his scalpel, it moved on its own.

I guess it went under. That's the hard part, I think. I'm going to disappear again. It's actually moving now? Well, he's poking it, but it went under. I mean, I got a little piece on him. Here's some more on here. It goes under the skin down into my earlobe.

It's like a little tiny white disc. It's all in the video. It's there. He got a little corner of it with the scalpel. You can see the doctor looking at it and describing it and seeing it move on its own. The implant is real. He puts in a stitch and I go home.

The morning after that, my ear starts burning. Things in my earlobe, I can feel it. And it moves back up here where it is to this day. It's still there right now? Right now. Can you see it? You can see it. You can feel it? You can feel it?

Is that weird? No, you can feel it's right here, right under my hand right now. Oh, yeah. Hello. Lab technician calls him and says, is this a practical joke? He says, no, it came out of a patient's ear. Labtech said,

this is a piece of biomechanical technology. This is a piece of metal that has cilia on it, and they're motile, they move. What does that mean? Cilia are little hair-like things that enable something to move. That's how it moved down into my earluck. Something has physically happened to me.

Like in an interview like this, half an hour ago, it turned on. What do you mean? You've been talking to it ever since. It's working now. Right now. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles.

I'm Inalick Lamouba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. Have both been assassinated. And Black America is out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almemata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King's senior and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson.

To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. In 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A building on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze.

Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years.

He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a man. marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. You're a predator of Michael Levin Good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bowen-Yin. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead-up to the Milan

Cortina, 2026 winner Olympic Games, We've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Bob, hi, Matt. Hey, Elmo. Hey, Matt, hey, Bowen. Hi, Cookie. Hi. Now, the Winter Olympic Games are underway,

and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to two guys, five rings on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade some? someone to buy a car?

When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness.

Mind games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The whole thing seems like a fever dream. Is Whitley just going around life, further narrating its fiction, making up stories and writing books about it?

Maybe. Did these things actually happen to him? And if they didn't, does he still believe they did? And what does that mean exactly? I'll admit, I've gone back and forth a lot. I come from true crime. I'm used to looking for some universal truth, a verdict. Yes or no, true or false.

No gray area. The thing is, you don't have to believe Whitley Strieber for this story to matter. Because stories like his exist everywhere. The first thing I like to dispel is a frequent misconception that UFOs are limited to this country. Very often people ask me, how come I never hear about UFOs in other parts of the world? How can we only hear about UFOs in America? Well, UFOs are not an American phenomenon. They are a worldwide phenomenon.

That's one of their most dramatic characteristics. People all across the world describe encounters with the same shapes, the same paralysis, the same missing time, the same physical effects, different languages, different belief systems, all the same information. And when something repeats itself like that, across borders, across generations, across technology gaps, it stops being like folklore and becomes more like a data set. It is very international. It's a global phenomenon. UFOs are not an American problem. They never were. They're reported by pilots in South America,

tracked on radar in Europe, documented by militaries in Asia, whispered about in places that don't benefit from telling the story at all. The phenomenon itself is global. Nick Cook has spent his career investigating classified aircraft programs. Having investigated classified aircraft programs,

the Calvin picture. It's like no plane I've ever seen. The Calvin photo. In 1990, two men were hiking near Calvin, Scotland, and took a series of photographs. What they captured would later be called the clearest UFO image ever recorded. The Calvin photo shows a sort of diamond-shaped craft

hovering in Scotland, quite a remote area near Calvin. This little corner of central Scotland has become the centre of activity. It's what's known as a hotspot, an area where people claim to have seen unidentified flying objects. The Calvin photograph, which some people have touted, the world's best photograph of a UFO, it's quite clear.

This photograph could be real. There's good circumstantial evidence that says that could be a genuine UFO. Since you're only hearing this, If you want to see the photo yourself, go to the High Strange Instagram. It's just at High Strange. The problem with it is its provenance. Whoever took the photograph disappeared off the face of the earth.

No one has been able to find the individuals who actually took the photograph, if they ever existed. It was a diamond-shaped craft, stationary, structured, silent. And if this story wasn't strange enough, The people who took these photos have never been found. One of the early investigators of the case, Royal Air Force Press Officer Craig Lindsay kept one print. It surfaced later, the Ministry of Defense, produced another photograph.

There was some kind of trail to this thing. The story was killed under circumstances which remain murky to this day. This is Nick Pope. For years, his job title at the UK Ministry of Defense was literally one word. The Ministry of Defense telephone directory was about two inches thick. There were very detailed job descriptions, something like coordinating officer for updating NATO war books, deep specialist stuff. But with regard to my job, it just literally said UFOs.

So it was a little bit of a... question mark. Having seen all six images and having seen the intelligence community analyses, we all concluded this was a real solid, structured craft, about 75 feet across, and we have no idea what it is, how it even flies. This is pretty extraordinary stuff. Not all of the UFO sightings that we get are going to be weather balloons or the planet Venus. What I always like to do, do is look around in a sort of geopolitical sense as to what's happening at the time. Nick Cook isn't a UFO investigator. He's an aviation journalist who spent years embedded in classified aircraft programs. Part of the whole UFO debate is whether some of these

things people are seeing are actually ours. New technology. Secret technology. Suspicious thing about it, the Calvin photo was snapped on the eve on the eve of of Saddam Hussein's invasion of Kuwait. Iraq invades Kuwait and overthrows its government. Iraq's president Saddam Hussein warned that he would turn Kuwait into a graveyard if any foreign country tried to intervene. I was covering a lot of classified U.S. aircraft programs like the stealth fighter, which had been developed in secret during the 1980s.

There was another mythical beast called Aurora. And Aurora was reputed to have gone really far. fast, five times the speed of sound, maybe six. Mythical because there were sightings of it, but never anything officially revealed or admitted. But there was plenty of technological evidence that this thing was built in the black in secret. Nick Cook had seen stealth programs years before they were public. He understood how sometimes secret tech can hide in plain sight. Does this explain the Calvin photo?

Aurora just happened that one of its operating bases was on the Scottish airfield called Macrohanish, which is not a million miles from Calvite. Late 80s, early 90s, a good deal of those programs have not seen the light of day. I went to interview the boss of the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works. I sat down and we started talking about all the aircraft programs he'd worked on. And he said,

I've worked on 15 real flying aircraft programs while I've been here, but I can only talk about 12 of them. Lockheed Martin Scunt works. Their mantra was, if you can imagine it, we can make it happen. Whatever you dream up, we can do. Where money meets imagination, you get the most phenomenal innovation breakthroughs. Now, talking of the Aurora, in the late 90s,

I then interviewed the head of US Air Force Research and Development Programmes, a guy called General George Mulner, on the day he retired. On the record, in that interview, was Black Programs. Secret stuff. Here we were able to talk about secret programs. I could ask him anything I wanted. It was like, finally, here we go. I said to him, so let's talk about whether you might have commissioned a Mark 5 plus hypersonics biplane.

and he said, let me tell you a story. So he goes, what would you do if you were me? We have a Mark 3 reconnaissance aircraft in the Blackbird that we are retiring. We have a new generation of spy satellites able to deliver real-time reconnaissance digitally, which is a first. But those satellites aren't quite ready yet. So we have a gap. What would you do?

So I said, well, I'd probably fill it. with an interim capability, something that's just going to do the trick in the short term. So he goes, go figure. My inference from his statement is that a few prototypes of this aircraft were built. It filled the gap, and then they got rid of it. If you wanted to put reconnaissance on the ground very quickly around about the time Saddam Hussein was invading Kuwait,

you might want to send a very fast spy plane to take reconnaissance imagery. You had an airbase very close to Calvin in Makrohanish, where a lot of spooky things were going on as a result of the invasion of Kuwait. The United States has put six warships in the Gulf on high alert, and another six are on their way. The crisis has found the prime minister with President Bush to coordinate the British and American responses. You might just want to divert attention,

away from that with some strange speculation about a UFO, which then subsequently appeared. There are a lot of red flags in it for me. Here's the problem with Calvin. The photo exists. It's a real physical photograph. All the analyses exist. There's no debate on whether the photo itself is real. It is. But what are we looking at? And why is there a big mystery behind who took these? Are we still learning things? Or are we just at a point where it's peaked? Here's the whole thing about the UFO world. The very confusion about it, the whole thing, is a wonderful distraction. If you're in the military and you want to hide things, break through secret stuff that might have happened in the US military,

well, let's put some real noise, disinformation noise, around places where we want to keep things secret. Strange anomalous photographs that cover up the fact you're flying spy planes that are secret still. UFOs present a brilliant smoke. screen. Everything becomes mixed up in a great myasma of real information and crap. And in the end, it's very hard to work out what is truth and what is fiction. And that suits a lot of people in the intelligence world. There's too much evidence from too many different directions, much of which

converges on the same data sets to say that everybody is. is making this stuff up. What you're beginning to get now is the military and intelligence world saying there is a phenomenon here. In 2021, Director of National Intelligence published a report saying exactly that. The phenomenon is real,

and that was the first time an official body had admitted this was a thing. What, of course, they didn't say because they profess not to know, was what was causing it. Are they extraterrestrials? Are they coming from out of space? Psychological people hallucinating stuff?

Or is there some middle ground that is worth investigating? Maybe they're interdimensional. It's some glitch in reality that is letting stuff through that we don't understand. I'm more inclined to look at that. This to me is the unsettling part. even if Calvin was secret human technology, that explanation alone doesn't close the case. It opens one more,

because the same shapes, the same movements, the same witness reactions. They show up long before 1990 and long after. Weird shit comes with a UFO sighting. Poltergeist phenomena in their bedrooms at night. Bigfoot is seen in the backyard. All of this weird shit.

shit comes with it. If I'm inclined to look into what may be causing UFO sightings and experiences, consciousness is a really good place to stop. How do we perceive reality? If you flip the aperture a bit, let's look at the nature of reality. Let's see if we can find out whether there are anomalies in the way we perceive reality, which may explain. paranormal phenomena like UFOs.

Most of us walk around assuming reality is just what's in front of us. What we can see, what we can touch, what everyone else seems to agree is actually happening. But the older I get, the more obvious it becomes that reality is not a fixed thing. It's an experience. You can be in the same room as someone, hear the same words. watch the same moment unfold and walk away with a completely different understanding of what just happened.

Not because one of you is lying, but because perception isn't neutral. What if multiple truths could exist? Your brain is constantly filtering, filling in gaps, making assumptions, protecting you. So you can function without being overwhelmed. That's consciousness at work,

not as some mystical concept. But as a practical system, it's how you survive the day. But here's the part that messes with me. If your experience of reality depends on what you notice, what you expect, and what you ignore, then two people can live in entirely different worlds without ever leaving the same place. And once you realize that, lots of things start to click. Why arguments go nowhere? Why certainty feels comforting.

and why new ideas feel threatening before they feel interesting. It also explains why encounters with the unknown are so destabilizing, because they don't just challenge what you believe. They challenge how you know anything at all. When it comes to consciousness, even our smartest scientists are still guessing.

We can explain what the brain does, but not why it feels like being you. So every now and then, I try to check myself. maybe my version of reality isn't the only one operating here. Realizing that two people can be honest, vulnerable, and trying at the same time, but still be living in slightly different realities. The same room, same words, same intention, but filtered through different histories, fears, and expectations.

Not because anyone failed. Because consciousness does not always line up on the same. same frequency. The Ministry of Defense standard line we dish out to the media and the public on this was that this subject was of no real interest. It was always downplaying. We just glance at these reports. There's nothing of any particular defense significance, but we take a look just in case. But the reality, of course, was quite different. Things that I had access to in the that job was the archive. We'd looked at this phenomenon since 1953. We'd had a permanent research effort on it since 1953, but reports went back further than that. We had a huge

archive, hundreds and hundreds of sightings from different locations around the UK. 90, 95, maybe 99% of all of this is going to turn out to be misidentification, censor error, or hoax, something fairly mundane. But don't throw out the baby with the bathwater because there's something here. These things sit in the files, almost like an unsolved crime in a police file.

the whole plethora of UFO sightings that are out there. A lot of it is born out of witness testimony. The sightings that people are reporting today are not that different from sightings they were reporting 50 or 60 years ago. One of those cases in the Ministry of Defense file that doesn't have a definitive explanation to it, a whole class of schoolchildren seeing something. In 1977, in the small Welsh village of Broadhaven, something landed.

Not once, not briefly, multiple sightings, in daylight. 16 schoolchildren, a teacher, no prompting, no group discussion, and they all drew the same thing. This is one of those stories that feels like it's right out of a movie. Because kids don't gain status from ridicule. They didn't have TikTok back then. Kids don't protect reputations. They don't know what to fake yet. And all these kids describe seeing the same thing.

One of those kids has never stopped thinking about that day. His name is Dave Davies. And I flew all the way across the pond. to try and track him down. Welcome to the A building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Manilic Lamouba. It's 1969.

Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated. And Black America was out of breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's Almermata, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King's senior,

and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the I-Heart Radio Al-E.

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home.

That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. You're a dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. You're a predator, Michael Levin Good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast.

or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Bowen-Yin. And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead-up to the Milan Cortina-26 Winter Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Bob, hi, hi, Matt. Hey, Elmo.

Hey, Matt, hey, Bowen. Hi, Cookie. Hi. Now, the Winter Olympic Games are underway, and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to two guys. Guys, Five Rings on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious.

NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP might actually work.

This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yes. Is that good? Right. Take me all the way back. I mean, this is the thing that's been going around my head for 50 years. My intent that afternoon was to try and prove that there wasn't anything there.

I failed. I've known sceptics who try and rationale their way out of it as much as they can, but don't think I haven't done that. If there was a conventional explanation for what I saw that day, I'd have already gone, fair enough, that's it then. But there was no other explanation for what we saw that day. I've spent nearly 50 years. countless books, any sort of reference material.

I've always pretty much said this is proof that I'm not lying. I wouldn't have wasted all my money and time on all this crap. On the surface of it, you just think, air-flying sources, whatever. But the more you look at it, there is a trickster thing sort of going on. There's a lack of logic to what they're doing sometimes. and you just think, it's completely mad. But it was just the sudden realization that I've got something in front of me that shouldn't exist, but does.

I went through the school as being the kid who saw the spaceship. A claim that something strange came out of the skies and landed in the Welsh village of Broadhaven. I stepped over the perimeter fence. and as I got one foot over it literally rose up from behind trees whatever it was it was spotted three times by children from the local school

what we saw was definitely physical that was beyond our understanding the children say the object had a large dome cigar shaped silver in colour I've just been on the phone to their headmaster I know that 16 children saw it. Suddenly the silver cigar-shaped objects

seemed to pop up from behind the bushes. How clearly did you see it? Well, I couldn't see its face. You say you saw a man as well, did you? Yes. There was a thought in my brain I should leave. Were you frightened at the time? Yes.

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