High Strange - Episode 04: Lucky Space Rock

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

From cattle mutilations in rural Oregon to strange patterns appearing overnight in open fields, this episode follows the objects and stories people carry with them, sometimes literally.   Want more? https://youtube.com/@itsfuckingaliensbro?si=7PxNJdeZmtxiyvpl Our High Strange music playlist is now available exclusively on Apple Music. Visit the link in our show notes or go to apple.co/highstrangeplaylist  To access our book list, go to apple.co/highstrangebooks  To find us in Apple Maps, go to apple.co/highstrangeguide For ad-free listening and bonus content, subscribe to Tenderfoot+ now! Members get all episodes ad-free plus bonus content throughout the season. Sign up at apple.co/highstrange. For Spotify, Google, and other Android users, visit tenderfootplus.com.   Follow along on social and the web: @highstrange on Instagram @highstrange on TikTok highstrange.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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discretion is advised. Cattle mutilations tend to surface the same way every time, not as breaking news, but as a phone call from someone who knows their land and knows when something's off. An animal found dead, certain body parts missing, no blood when there should be blood, no tire tracks, no sign of anything. We're up in eastern Oregon, and this is Colby Marshall. A rancher who did not go looking for this story, but ended up inside it anyway. Welcome to High Strange.

Exact same mutilation. I took some photos, documented what I could. We noticed that there was no tracks, there was no struggle marks, there was no tire tracks, there was nothing. I went back to the ranch, called the sheriff's office, and we got in touch. the state police, notified the Forest Service what we had found. When you're dealing with thousands of livestock, it's not uncommon to find something that has passed away

or there's been an injury. And so we were very familiar. One of the first things that I noticed, the cuts on the animal, nothing makes sense about it. They were all very precise. like they had been done by a scalpel. That doesn't make any sense.

A lot of times when you see an animal that is harvested in the wild and somebody is using a blade or they're using a saw to work down through the animal, the cuts can be more jagged. But this was done with an extremely sharp scalpel. Or it was done with maybe even some sort of a laircle. laser cutting tool. It was so precise. Bulls, cows, even you and I.

We have an abdominal cavity. We have a layer, a very, very fine layer inside, underneath our skin that holds our guts in. That layer, which is very, very thin, that was not nicked. It was not cut open. The hide was cut. and then perfectly removed without nicking or cutting that layer.

They just absolutely cut that away without nicking it. That is precise. And they did it on every single one of those animals. I mean, whoever is doing this understands anatomy very well, at least on livestock. I mean, surgical precision. I've spent my whole entire life around livestock. cattle, sheep, goats, you name it. And at no point in my life

have I ever experienced anything like that. It was, it was, it just, it makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. You start thinking, okay, how could this happen? Who would want to do this? What's the reason behind it? Why is it being done? What's the purpose?

These are expensive, high-value animals. Their tongues were removed, reproductive organs missing, and not a single drop of blood in the soil. We put out a $25,000 reward for information that would lead to an arrest or a conviction, and there was no leads. In this case, every single one of these mutilated bulls literally melted into the ground. their hides were there months if not a year afterward you could go right to the site you can see exactly where the animal was laying I will never look at a livestock death the same ever again I think about it all the time

and once you hear this story you will also think about it nothing around the bodies suggested there was a struggle There were no tire marks, no tracks, no drag marks. Ranchers live with death. They know what predators do. They know what scavengers leave behind. The CIA operative, he'd been around a lot of dead bodies. A few years ago, someone in the CIA reached out to Colby directly.

Key and I got talking about it, and he said, you know, Colby goes, especially during the Afghanistan war and seen some just horrific things out there. There's no blood in the carcasses. And I thought, yeah. And he said, well, if there's no blood in the carcass, it may not have the same smell as decomposing bodies do,

given that a lot of credibility. Because the only thing that makes sense to me is why the scavengers wouldn't just come after those animals land. out there is because they didn't smell the same. I appreciate the interest in it because I don't think that there's enough acknowledgement of this and enough people. I think there's people that don't want to talk about it because they see it as something

that is taboo. I think it's important. These discussions and these conversations are so important to get the word out so that people feel free to express their opinion. or look into it close so that at some point in time we can find out why it's being done. And once we know the why,

I think all the other pieces will come into play. But until we know the why, I don't think we'll ever figure this out and it will go on as the longest unsolved murder mystery in the history of the world. I don't think we're alone in the universe. I think the universe is too big and too massive,

and I think it would be ridiculous to think that we're all by ourselves out here. I've thought a lot about whether or not an alien culture from outer space would come to do this kind of thing. And the way I look at it, and maybe I'm naive about this, if you're using that kind of technology and you can travel across the universe and cover the distances that are out there, why would you use that technology to harvest reproductive organs off of range bulls in Eastern Oregon?

And I've went so far on this, well, hey, you know, if they're coming from a billion miles away across outer space to sample Eastern Oregon beef, we must be doing something right. I would tell people that I thought that, you know,

it must be a testament. to the beef we're producing, if that's the best beef in the universe. I also am not naive to think there isn't some other life in the universe and they might have some interest in it for a variety of different reasons. Personally, I think it is a group.

I think it is a cult group that is home base right here on planet Earth, which goes to the main question of, you know, why. I've also had people ask me, do I think it's government? Do I think there is a government entity out there that is doing this? If the government wanted to do something like this, why wouldn't they just do these activities, you know,

on these big land bases that they have places all over the United States that they have isolated, that they can control every aspect of the environment? So why would you run the risk? This series is not about jumping to conclusions. It's about documenting, patterns that refuse to disappear. Cattle mutilations are one of those patterns. They're decades old, global, and still to this day completely unresolved. My name's Jeremiah Holmes. I am currently

the sheriff of the county. I moved out here to Cowboy. Moved out of your work on ranges. I had Cowboy for about five years, a fairly large range, south-central part of Oregon. That was my first experience of mutilations. I remember going out with the boss at the time and looking at it. The leg had been removed, the heart had been removed, the reproductive organs had been removed, the tongue cheek. For me, I have for the most part ruled out predators. I've seen firsthand what a cougar can do and I've seen firsthand what a bear can do. I've seen firsthand what wolves will do and coyotes will do. None of this adds up to that.

When I first saw the first one, an alien thing came up, I said no very quickly. But at that point in time, my thought process, I was younger, but my thought process goes back to the little green men we see on TV screens when we're a little right. Do I believe in that? I don't know if I necessarily believe in that. There's a lot of unexplained things that happen across the world.

Keeping an open mind and following the facts where they are, I'm open to wherever they might lead. Too physical to be dismissed as imagination. And too weird to find a reasonable explanation. While some ranchers are dealing with unexplained violence on the ground, other people in other parts of the world have been staring at something just as strange from above. And they've been arguing about it for years. Crop circles. The thing is, crop circles didn't start as a joke.

They didn't start on the internet. They started quietly. I got pulled in, I think like a lot of people did in the late 80s, when the newspaper started running a lot of stories. Huge formations that were appearing in Wiltshire, so I started heading down there, late 80s, early 90s. I kind of went in there thinking, There must be something paranormal involved here because these things are huge.

For me personally, everything changed when I went out and made my first circle with a team of established human circle makers. You can see this isn't as hard as you're led to believe. In the late 1970s and early 80s, farmers began waking up to find large geometric patterns pressed into their fields overnight. Providing you've got a fairly good understanding of geometry and providing you've got enough manpower and enough darkness, you can make quite a convincing crop circle.

But then it becomes a lot more interesting because when people go out to these circles and make them, they start having a lot of weird experiences. People who go to these circles after they've been made have weird experiences. Well, it's not aliens, and it's definitely humans, but there's something weird in the middle. Are we creating some sort of magical midpoint here

where weird stuff does happen? And if you step away from that argument of, oh, it's aliens, oh, it's humans, the story becomes a bit more interesting, in my mind, at least. everyone sort of goes into overdrive trying to back track real-world events and link them no one will believe you that you made that crop circle that first circle really sort of highlighted to me that people will bend whatever they want onto that formation onto that design and make it into something that makes sense to them

It's almost like a co-creation. unwittingly, you make something and somebody builds a whole mythology around it. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary.

Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its fault of secrets. Listen to the Sixth Bureau on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. A nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Leppie. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt the case of Lucy Lettby,

we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived in, to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Lettby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpbright became the victim of a random crime.

He pulls the gun. Tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Tremaine. Hudson as the perpetrator. Germain was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth.

For 22 years, only two people knew the truth, until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan.

He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final Rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a quarter. courtroom, with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract.

Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search for it. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of He Said She Said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Crop circles sit in a strange place. They've been treated as either evidence of something extraordinary or as proof that people will believe anything, as long as it looks mysterious enough.

And like most things in this world, the truth doesn't land cleanly on either side. You have some people who openly claim they've made these things themselves. And as weird as that sounds, there also isn't much of the truth. physical evidence proving that either. Maybe there are multiple truths here. Maybe not everything in this topic is neatly squared away. Real or fake doesn't always cover it. And it gets even stranger when you hear that people report unexplained experiences at crop circle sites that are supposedly man-made. Physical sensations. Equipment acting weird. Emotional reactions they can't explain. At a certain point, the question stops being whether crop circles are real or fake. It becomes,

something more interesting. What are the experiences of the people who come in contact with them actually telling us? And that's why I love the story you're about to hear, not because it proves that crop circles or alien messages, but because it captures something honest, and it turns into a full-blown adventure. I met this guy the way you meet a lot of interesting people in the world by accident at a hotel lobby bar during a UFO conference. He sat down next to me, and without much context at all, placed a small shiny metallic rock on the bar between us. He told me, he believed it came from somewhere else, maybe another planet. Maybe it was debris from something that didn't belong here. He said he had it tested and that no lab could tell him what it was. I'll be honest, this space rock

did look strange, but I also don't know shit about rocks. What I did know was how seriously he took and how excited he was about the whole damn thing. Enough that it made me excited too. He called it his lucky space rock, and that it had stories of its own. His name is a lawn. And earlier this year, he flew halfway across the world,

chasing an idea he doesn't even fully believe in. He had 48 hours in the UK to try and find an actual crop circle. And his plan was to use his lucky space rock as his guide. I bought one-way ticket to Israel through London. In London, I had only two days.

So when I landed in England, land in the UK, I rented a car, got to the Crop Circle Center. That's where I drove first. I go in and I meet that woman who works there, that's her life. She has a museum there. She has this website.

When people find a Crop Circle, they let her know she puts it up online. And she said, look, there's nothing new, but there's an old one from, like, a month ago that you can go and check out. So I was like, okay, cool, I'll do that. I drive there.

I knock on the door, this woman opens up. Yes, can I help you? I'm like, crop circle? She goes, oh my God, not again. She goes, stop, just stop, it's a hoax. There's no crop circles. You all keep coming here for this. It's not real.

I'm sorry that you're to come all this way, but I'm sorry. I drive back to my Airbnb and I'm kind of like baffled. And little did I know, all the country road in England are tiny and very narrow. And I'm also driving on the left side, it's fucking weird. Driving this huge car, this car comes in front of me. I freak out, I move to the left. Then I hit the curve.

He hit the curve and I get the flat. Flat tire. So I stop at a flat tire shop. And the guy's like, eh, yeah, let me put the spare for you. Come back tomorrow, I'll fix it. I go back to my Airbnb, kind of bummed, and the landlady tells me, well, you know, you should go to every rock circle. What? Yeah, everybody knows about Stonehenge, but there's also every rock circle.

It's in this village. It's free. You can go all day. So it's like, okay, day is not completely lost. I'll go there. So I took my rock. I went to that place and it's amazing. It's incredible.

This megalithic rocks just in this huge. circle around the village. My mood got better. And then, I got inspired. I took my rock and meditated, put my iPhone in front of me, and I'm like, come on,

Elias, let's fucking go. I'm here for one more day. Give me a crop circle tomorrow to check out. That's literally what I said. So what were you trying to do exactly? Sam on a crop circle. Try to manifest a crop into existence. Yeah. I just kind of laughing at myself.

I was aware that it's ridiculous. So what day was this? That was July 11. I can... Do you want to play it? Yeah, I'll play it. That's my phone. Alon ends up in a garden.

No crowd, no spectacle. Just him holding his lucky space rock, eyes closed, breathing slowly, doing exactly what he came there to do. He recorded himself on his phone the whole time. I went to sleep. I wake up in the morning. and I was following the crop circle report

and there was nothing. There's no crop circle. I'm like, the fuck, this trip is not going very well. That night, I'm flying out to Israel. So I have like day and a little bit of the night, and then I'm done. I didn't really think someone's going to happen. I hoped, you know, fun adventure no matter what. This is when his whole story starts to sound like some Steven Spielberg adventure.

I stop at the tire shop. And the guy tells me he can't fix my tire, and he's like 300 pounds to get a new one. This is a rental. I'm not fucking doing that. So just put it in the back, and I'll use my spare. It's a tiny spare. I'm just going to drive on that. Then literally I get a download from the universe.

Go to the Crop Circle Center now. What do you mean download from the universe? Intuition. I don't know how to call it. You just like, all of a sudden, you know, it's not a voice, physical voice, but it's almost like it. but very, very, very clear. I need to go to the Crop Circle Center now. I drive back to the Crop Circle Center.

I go in. And like, hey, how's it going? All of a sudden, she gets a text message. And she's like, Crop Circle just popped up. The coordinates, pictures, videos of it. And I'm like, what the fuck? Okay, how do I get there?

The way that report comes, they have pictures, a video, and a map with coordinates. But it's not like a Google map. It's not a location you can just put on your GPS and then go there and you'll find it. Here's a picture of the area. There's an arrow that points where the crop circle should be.

So I get in the car, I start driving, I'm playing music. Bro, I'm high as fuck. I got a crop circle! I'm just so happy. So it's an hour drive. It's very country. Like, I'm in the middle of nowhere. There's no houses, no nothing, very small roads.

I'm 50 minutes in. I hear, poof, my spare explodes. I get another flat. The car stops. Now in the middle of fucking nowhere. I don't have another spare. I'm stuck. I'm fucked.

I'm mad. I missed my flight. I was devastated. It come all the way here to fucking England, give me a crop circle that I ask you for, and then ten minutes before I get to it, you're going to fuck me like that? Are you kidding me?

I thought, it's all bullshit. There's no aliens. It's all bullshit. This whole thing was a fucking mistake. My whole obsession with this is a mistake. All is lost moment, epically. And I call my fiancé, and she's going to say, babe, listen to me.

You got this. I'm like, I do? You do. Look around. Is there anybody there? Mind you, there's no houses anywhere. There's not a neighborhood, it's not a street. And I realized there was a fence right next to me, like a picket fence.

And I go on my tippy toe and I look above the fence and show up there's a house. There's a house. There's two cars. The only house. Go and knock on their door. Nice gentleman opens the house. door. They were super nice. It took us like probably an hour and a half, figure out this local towing company. And they said, yeah, we'll come get your car and we'll take you to the

airport. Great, when? 11 p.m. So she hangs up the phone like, oh my God, thank you so much. And then she looks at me and she goes, okay, shall we go find your crop circle? Are you serious? She's like, we live there a whole life, you've never seen one. You're saying it's right here. Let's go. Not all is lost yet. We get into their car, she's driving, I'm sitting next to her, her husband behind me, with the map that I gave him, and he's navigating. All country roads, dirt roads.

Get to this place, we thought, that looks like the pictures. We recognize the trees, we climb up. I bought a drone for that trip. So I was like, okay, I have a drone. I'll send it up there in 360 overview and see what I see. So I get the drone up, and at the end of that 360, the crook circles get into my frame I found it

30s, oh my God, look at it! I can't really, it's happening to me. I feel like the flow of the universe, aliens got it, they're one with me. Fall, I found it! It's here, oh my God, it's here. But it's on my drone. Against his own expectations,

the universe plays along. Maybe it's coincidence. Maybe it's pattern recognition. Maybe it's dumb luck or good space rock luck. The important part isn't whether the crop circle means anything. It's why people keep chasing them. His name is Alon. If you'd like, go check out Alon's YouTube channel.

It's called, I'm not joking. It's fucking aliens, bro. 100% worth it. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. A nurse who should have been in charge of care. for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict? A villain? A nurse named Lucy Letby.

Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt the case of Lucy Lettby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived in. to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Lettby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level of the British establishment of this is wrong.

Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life.

And that's the unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its fault of secrets. Listen to the Sixth Bureau on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpbright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Tremaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Germain was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity.

The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only 20. Two people knew the truth until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected.

The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. Please search warrant.

This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of He Said She Said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm recording this at 10.07 a.m. I know that because I just looked at my phone. And if you're listening to this, it's no longer 10.07.

It might be morning, it might be late, you might be on a walk or just couch rotting somewhere, which already tells you something strange about time. We act like time is this solid thing we're all standing inside together. Like there's one shared now that we're all moving through. But according to science, that's not actually how it works. Physics says there is no universal present. No master clock, just events happening, stacked, differently depending on where you are. So when I say it's 10.7 a.m., that moment is already gone,

but this sentence is happening for you right now. What that means in real life is this. Time isn't something you're writing on. It's something you're coordinating with. We schedule our lives around it, and we measure ourselves against it. We panic when we feel behind it. But it's not actually moving the way we think it is. What's moving is us. Your attention, your decisions. Those are what create the feeling of time passing. That's why some days fly by, and this monologue is dragging. That's why one conversation can change everything.

And then 10 years can disappear quietly. Time doesn't speed up or slow down. Your experience does. So if you feel like you're running out of time or just waiting for the right moment, think about this. There may not be a single now in the whole universe, but there's always a moment where you're making a choice, sending a text, avoiding the conversation,

showing up, not showing up. That's the only part of time you actually touch. So wherever you're hearing this, whatever time it is for you, that's just the point of contact. Not the clock, not the calendar, just a moment where something happens because you were there. Once you accept that reality is not as fixed as it feels, a lot of these stories stop sounding like fairy tales,

and start to look like data points on a graph we just don't fully understand yet. For decades, there has been one place, more than any other, where time, perception, secrecy, and experience all seem to collide. A place that was built for keeping secrets. A place you can't even get a solid satellite image of. A place that officially did not exist until it did.

Area 51. There's one story that sits right at the center of Area 51. whether you want it to or not. A story that didn't just introduce flying saucers to American culture, but permanently fused them to this secret military base in the Nevada desert. At the center of that story is a man named Bob Lazard. This guy didn't claim to see something strange in the sky. He claimed to work inside the system itself, reverse engineering flying saucers.

Bob Lazar's story is either the longest running. hoax in modern UFO history or one of the most dangerous truths ever spoken out loud. This story refuses to die. We're about to try and make sense of all of it. I didn't just want another opinion. I wanted the person who has spent years closest to this story, closest to Bob Lazar himself. If this is all a lie, I'm honestly just impressed at this point. And if it's not, then a human revelation has been sitting right in front of us this entire time. News articles once again mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft. Things of alien origin flying in Nevada.

Out of nowhere like a Chiracro in the desert, he was in silhouette. He comes forward on the news and says, we are reverse engineering alien spacecraft at a place called Area 51, which you haven't heard about nine flying saucers. I was part of that program, and now I'm worried about my life. a threat to my personal safety, that's my story. The live interview drew international attention. Portions were broadcast by radio in six European countries

and in a nationally televised TV special in Japan. His real name is Robert Lazar. He says he was hired to work at an area called S4. At S4, he says, are flying saucers, anti-matter reactors, technology that is seemingly beyond human capability. Lazar's story is by any standards fantastic. He says he's telling it in order to protect himself. Who is this Lazar guy?

I don't know. Can we believe him? Can we not? Is he a liar? I'm going to find out. Hi Strange is a production by Tinderfoot TV in association with IHeart Podcasts, created, hosted and edited by myself, Payne Lindsay.

Executive producers or myself, and Donald Albright. Editing by Mike Rooney, Cooper Skinner, and myself. Original score by makeup and vanity set. Sound design, mixing, and mastering by Cooper Skinner. Additional production by Mike Rooney, Dylan Harrington, Eric Quintana, Sean Nernie, and Meredith Stedman. Our cover art is by Polygon.

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