High Strange - Roundtable Discussion #2

Episode Date: February 24, 2024

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Corbell. It's available on my weekly podcast, Talking to Death. It's out right now. Just go search Talking to Death on your podcast app and look for the most recent episode with Jeremy Corbell. And I promise you it's worth it. Thanks y'all Guys good song And he's out of jail now is he yeah, yeah Oh gunner yeah, yeah, it's like when did Metro go to jail? Okay, we're back, we're back, we're back. Out of jail. It's been a minute.

We're out of jail. Out of jail, straight to space. Yeah, that's why it took so long. We've been in jail this whole time. No, we've been in podcast jail making other podcasts, but trust me when I say we have never stopped thinking about how strange, because it's one of the most fun shows I think I've ever worked on.

No, we're back here because one, we've missed you. Two, we've really never stopped talking, thinking about or researching or researching, investigating UFO phenomenon since we, since Episode 8 of High Strange. And we've done a couple of different things since then. And we wanted to give you another round table episode because it's been so long. A lot's happened since we left off.

I feel like a year ago, which is about a year ago now, almost when the podcast first came out, I've let the conversations evolved even more, further past that in a good way, in terms of people just being open to the concept of, hey, maybe there's stuff going on that we don't fully understand, and it's okay to look into it.

I mean, I can honestly say that since High Strange ended, I have looked, I have researched more than I did during the production of High Strange ended. I have looked, I have researched more than I did during the production of High Strange, into UFOs, into aliens, into NHI. I am obsessed beyond what I was before. Dylan was already obsessed, I think. I'll always be obsessed. Yeah, if any of you could see our text chain

for the last eight months since we last made this. None of you would ever listen to us. Nothing gets right. It's just all conspiracy theory. It kills all credibility in the show. Absolutely. But nothing gets through the cracks. Nothing slips through the cracks.

We see it all. We've seen everything you think that you need to email to us. We have seen it. Right. Or if you're just a casual listener and you're like, what the hell are you talking about, man? Tell me something.

Right, okay, that's fair too. Because I'm also, I'm kind of more in that camp sometimes as well where you guys send me this stuff. And there's been some big news stories. I think the biggest thing that's happened since the release of High Strange was this kind of legendary congressional hearing.

And last minute, Dylan and I decided to take a flight to DC and go to this thing Wanted to set up what was actually going on that day just like like for those who didn't know this happened there was a big congressional hearing about UFOs and We went to go see these people speak in front of Congress and we went to go see these people speak in front of Congress. Yeah, so I got the call from Payne, late one, it was probably 8 p.m. one night.

We had like an hour to get there. Yeah, and he just, he calls me, he's like, we're gonna go, I don't own a suit because I'm a child, but apparently you need a suit. You are a child. You should own a suit. I should own a suit, 32. Well, I have one suit, you know?

And you looked good in it, let me see. Oh, well, thank you. You looked real swab. But that's all I got. I can't repeat it. Yeah, but we get there, you and your suit, me and just my everyday clothes. Luckily, they still let me in, which is nice.

But we get there, not really knowing what to expect, and we get sent into this room next to the Congressional Hall where the meeting's actually taking place and it's just full of other- Nerds. Let's call them nerds. I was gonna say alien enthusiasts, but alien nerds. Let's call them for what they are, they're nerds.

We were there too, we were like, oh my God, we dressed up nice for this. Oh, I wanted to go so bad, I was so jealous. Yeah. It was an experience. It was a once in a lifetime experience. There were so many people at this random hearing on like a Tuesday or something that there was a spillover room for press because the actual congressional room was too full

for anyone else to attend in there. And so we were in, at first I was kind of bummed, like, oh man, I wanted to be in the actual room where they're doing this. But it actually turned out to be a cooler experience, I think, because we had a live feed from the room right next door. So we could hear it and see it, but there was way less,

there was less rules in this room, I'd like to say. It was... It was the back of the class. It was the back of the class. People were clapping. It was this, it was the back of the class is the back of the class people were clapping It was this surreal thing like people talk about the idea of disclosure Right where you know eventually one day the government comes out and says hey Here's what's really going on and there's all these species of aliens or we had these craft

You know, I don't think it's ever gonna happen that way. It'd be cool if it did. But it felt like a disclosure moment where you were maybe I was just too excited, but it felt like in the moment I was witnessing something that was like legendary. I think, I think it's historical. I think, I think Rush will be in textbooks. Okay, let's talk about Grush, because if you don't know who David Grush is, who's really the main person who was testifying before Congress, let's talk about who David Grush is and what he was even saying. What was your

favorite thing he said in the Congressional? Well, okay, I remember you showing me that this guy was about to come out. There was a whistleblower from the government who was coming out with some big bombshell information and then they dropped this interview with Ross Colhart, this journalist from News Nation. And we watched it at the same time. I think we were in Denver or something. And you got me hyped on it.

And he was saying stuff that was absolutely bonkers, crazy sounding, because you've never heard really many people of that level of clearance say something like that. That's the thing. It's, you've heard crazier claims than this. Everyone has. Everyone's heard some crazy shit from some UFO guy

who's like, yo, the aliens, I'm talking to him in my head, from my bedroom, I can call UFO him in my head, from my bedroom, I can call UFOs to my house, my backyard. We've all heard that. If you've looked into this at all, you've heard the crazy stuff. But this guy, the crazy thing about this is he was saying some of the crazy shit,

but his credentials check out. He's like legit top clearance, like big deal, counterintelligence guy, came from like working on big missions. Not a dumb dumb. Not a dumb dumb. This guy isn't some guy. I'm probably saying this wrong, but I think he was about to be promoted to like Lieutenant Colonel, which is like super high up in the military. Like this guy is not a joke. He's not some crazy person, but Gresh is like, almost bulletproof.

Like this guy's like legit. Like he was- He was briefing Obama on counterintelligence measures. Like they don't, that responsibility doesn't go to- It's an egg on their face if this guy is completely, has completely lost his mind, but somehow still sounds completely sane when he's talking.

Like let's just run down bullet point. Some of the biggest claims that David Grush made to Congress. Can I start with my favorite one? Yes. Mussolini. And no one's gonna believe this. The casual listener, I'm sorry.

Mussolini, his Italia, recovered a UFO in 1933. And he's saying this like this is fact, like the US government or whatever, this special access program, whatever this black project is, knows about this recovery in 1933 under Mussolini. This is part of some bigger idea here, where he's basically saying that for decades now, the government has had this secret program,

a crash retreat, a UFO crash retrieval program where UAP have allegedly crashed on Earth and the US has scooped them up and tinkered with them and tried to figure out how they work and kept all this stuff a secret. It even goes beyond that. And this predates Roswell, which is the crazy. Because Roswell is 47? You know, the biggest theory that I've always followed and always believed in is that we set off nuclear bomb tests

in like 1946 and then 47. I don't remember the exact date. You can look it up. It's on Wikipedia. It's Trinity test. We set off the bomb, the nuclear bomb test, and they came, right? No, this predates this. This is 1933. This is before, so all that, like,

they're attracted to nuclear bombs, which they probably are, and nuclear energy, and whatever. But this predates this. This is something before that. And what I think he's implied is that it's even older than that. Which I think I've thought for a while now, but. I mean, there are huge claims that go for generations.

Basically, he's alleging that there is this black program, this hidden secret program that's, that Congress and even the president president most of the time, if not damn near all the time is not privy to where they are keeping the secret that we know extra trust real life not only exists but has been here and maybe even is here and we have crafts and the way he phrases it is Biologics non-human intelligence Biologics of non-human intelligence meaning cadavers insanity and you can look past that though like that you can sure dismiss that go ahead All the service that this sounds you know It sounds nuts right but but what did he do he got in a congressional hearing?

He got both sides of the the spectrum both sides of the parties both parties to agree you got AOC you got What's his name Matt gates? Matt gates an AOC both like way wait a minute. Working together. Both keeping a shit, yeah. And this goes into Brian Bender's whole first article that he wrote about this in 2017 where he's like, okay, where is all this money going? Right, that's the real issue. This is taxpayer money going somewhere else that it's hidden.

AOC is like, whoa, okay, I don't care about the alien stuff, but like what I gathered from her congressional oversight committee testimony and questioning is where is this money that the taxpayers are putting in? Why is this going to some secret private entity? Like no matter what it is, right? Yeah, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what it's for.

This is a problem. And then you got Matt Gaetz kind of saying the same thing. You got both sides of the red or blue kind of coming together on this, being like, yo, we need to dig further into this. Senate's freaking out about this a little bit, at least some of them. If you remember back to High Strange, season one,

we featured two journalists pretty prominently, Leslie Kane and Brian Bender, and they would chime in kind of throughout the whole series with great insight on different details and aspects and just a little historical factoids about the UFO story in American culture. They were also two of the journalists who broke a really big story years ago that kind of blew the lid off of this conversation in the mainstream with the New York Times and political and political yeah, and We met with Leslie Kane a couple of times and

She always sort of kind of hinted at there being some other big thing coming, which is what every UFO person does ever, I feel like. But I believed it this time. You talked to the right person. I think you do know. And sure enough, though, she's the first person to technically break this David Grush story, the guy who came out with these big claims about this secret government project going on.

Yeah. And, And, yeah. And so, we actually talked to Brian Bender again recently, and gracious for his time, just to kind of catch up on what's all happened since then. And I always enjoyed the way that he pragmatically broke things down. And it wasn't always a, it's, it's, he didn't always make it about aliens, right? And maybe it is aliens and it's the way that we think that they are. Maybe it is. And it's all these other dozens of things or thousands of things too.

Maybe it's none of that. And we don't understand it either way. If there's something that we don't understand, I think that it's none of that and we don't understand it. Either way, if there's something that we don't understand, I think that it's worth looking into. And he always had that sort of pragmatic, practical approach to it, which I really found refreshing. And so catching up with him was fun. And we're gonna play some clips of that for you guys

in a little bit. Yeah, no, I really appreciate Brian. And I think I really love that he's mostly skeptical even though he's heard some stuff. He's heard some stuff that I haven't even heard. Well hearing is not seeing. No, right. It's what you want David Grush to come forward with is physical video evidence. Evidence. Physical DNA DNA. Something you can analyze. Now, you couldn't really ask for a more credible guy, right? A more credible person.

No. But again, it's just, you're going on somebody's word. And so that's a big leap. And with claims this big, this new to us as a society, I think that it's only fair to be met with a little bit of scrutiny. But what if he's telling the damn truth? Oh, if he could- I don't know if he is or not, but I will say this, he's pretty fucking believable.

I mean, he's not. He's good at it. I guarantee you if he could walk out on stage and on the news nation interview and be like, Hey, Ross, I brought a sample of a craft and it's metal that we've never seen before. He would do that. He just can't, you know, he's got to, he's got to go through the adoption process. He's got to get things cleared. anything he talks about in public or on media

It has to be approved first. So what this process you're talking about this This is where he could get in trouble for divulging. I guess top-secret information. Yeah, how does that work exactly? from how you know it like So what's he afraid of? So it's the, it's weird, but it's, I've only learned this semi-recently since High Strange ended, episode eight ended. I've learned this afterwards because honestly after our season ended,

so much stuff happened. And I really had to dive deep into this topic and be like, okay, wait, this is actually moving forward in a weird way I didn't expect. Right. And almost in a synchronistic way. So with the Dobser thing, basically he has to get approval from his higher ups. He's no longer working with them. He's no longer part of the military in any way, I don't believe. But he has to go to the ICIG, which is the- Are you losing me?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's his higher up, it's basically just think an intelligence leader, right? The leader of the intelligence. To get permission. Yeah. Or something. So an adopter stands for Defense Office

of Pre-Publication and Security Review. Because he has the highest clearance level. And that's the thing, there's all these myths about how many clearance levels there are. So he has the highest level of security clearance, so he's trusted with the biggest secrets in our nation, right, amongst our nation. It has to be cleared because he was a former employee, right? These guys are trying to not go to jail, basically. Yeah, because if they release some classified information to the general public, that is like treason.

Yeah, whether the UFO part of it is true or not, if you divulge that, then you're going to jail. If you accidentally give away a missile system that we don't want our enemies to know about, some sensor development that we've figured out that China or Russia or Iran doesn't know or doesn't have access to. It's for national security. I get it. It's classified information. You have to get stuff approved before you can talk about it. But before his congressional

hearing, he did a dopser, got it cleared. Everything he talked about to News Nation in front of congressional hearing was cleared. He was being dopser, got it cleared. Everything he talked about to News Nation in front of Congressional hearing was cleared. He was being very careful about it. You could tell that he was, you know, he had just prepped himself on the scope of what he knew he could legally talk about. Or that's how it came across at least. Yeah, they're saying it doesn't go against national defense

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and this congressional hearing that Dylan and I got to attend in person and because he's smarter than I am, he more eloquently breaks down some of the big key points of what David Grush was actually claiming. And when you analyze it, it's some pretty big stuff. Let's kick to it real quick. Brian, how you been, man? I'm good.

I'm good. What's the latest in your world of journalism? So, well, you know, I sometimes joke that I'm now a recovering journalist. So, about a year ago, I left journalism as a sort of daily full-time reporter and editor after, I hate to admit it, but 24, almost 25 years. And I'm still writing, I'm still reporting, but I have a different day job where I'm now basically a Beltway Bandit, as they call it. So I'm a communications consultant,

mostly helping tech startups and research universities navigate the federal government, so helping them tell their stories. But I'm still writing, I'm still reporting, I'm a contributor to Politico Magazine, so working on a couple of bigger projects for them. So keeping busy, but a little bit of a different audience. But a lot of the same topics, national security, global affairs, politics, once in a while, UFOs. Right.

If I trip and fall into the rabbit hole. I just realized before we hopped on this call that the first time we talked was in Roswell, New Mexico at that UFO event. I never really asked you, I don't think, or at least it wasn't in the podcast, what your thoughts on that was. I mean, because it was, for me, it was like this is totally bizarre. Also, Roswell, New Mexico does not have enough restaurants. But Applebee's was really good. And that giant alien outside the Dunkin' Donuts to make it clear it was a statue of an alien, not a real alien.

You know, it's interesting. You know, when I kind of stumbled into the UFO story in 2017, when I was part of that group of reporters that initially got some inside information about some Pentagon research programs that had been going on that had been kind of secretly funded by Congress in recent years. I kind of pretty quickly made this determination that I'm going to follow the money. So if the government's spending money on UFO research, who's it going to? What's it for? Who are the key decision makers in Washington that are behind it? Because I was

a political reporter. I mean, to me, that was the story for us. It's like, okay, this is, this is a political story. It's a policy story. People are really concerned about things that are out there and I identified some of which seem to defy what we know about physics. And I decided that I was not going to sort of go too far down the rabbit hole of like gonna sort of go too far down the rabbit hole of like sightings and reports and testimonies because obviously there's this whole canon of ufology that you know I once used to I once said on a panel that you know I covered a little bit of the JFK assassination in terms of like the fight over the government files that were still being withheld and I used to think that was like a ball of yarn, but I hadn't met the world of UFOlogy yet.

Oh man. In a way, it makes this JNK assassination crowd look, you know. Small fries. Exactly. But you know, my takeaway from Roswell and others is sort of like, if UFO research could sort of start now and go forward and throw away all the stuff in the past,

I think we could be more effective at actually finding some answers to some of these mysteries, because just the level of scar tissue that exists and the different viewpoints on, was Roswell an alien crash? Was it, you know, some military test? Was it a cover up? What happened there? I mean, it's just it's like, it's almost impossible for a journalist in modern day to untangle that mythology

versus fact. And, you know, you saw that on display in Roswell. I mean, I went to one of the panels, what was like, you know, there was a lot of people on the panel was like 40 white guys lined up all over the age of 70. And like they have like, each of them had two different theories about what happened there. Right. And they were adamant about it. I mean, obviously, I'm exaggerating a little bit. But the journalist to me was like, I wouldn't even know how to write this story. Right. Is there a story?

Write the story of Roswell, Bender. I'd be like, I don't even know where to start. But it's not on religion. I mean, some people have their own sort of little lane in the world of ufology that they believe and many of them have read millions of books and done all kinds of independent research and they believe it as if it's gospel and it's like nothing is going to change your mind. There's pretty widespread belief or kind of gut feeling that we are not alone in the universe as an intelligent species, whatever species might mean, you know, elsewhere in the universe, you know, could mean something

very different than what we think of. And I think you could also go a step further and say there's decent amount of evidence, certainly circumstantial, if not even more than that, that they actually do exist somewhere, in some way. Because, I mean, it's hard to look back over history, and even in ancient religions. I mean, so many references to some sort of heavenly beings coming here, you know, having some sort of role, certainly in our sense of ourselves as a human race. And I tend to be among those who believe that, you know, whether

smoke, there's fire, there probably is something that fits that description somewhere in the universe, far away or maybe not so far away. But then the second bucket I sort of think about is, and this gets into some of the reporting that I was involved in, the question of whether our government or governments of the world of whether our government or governments of the world have some really solid answers to that question or evidence of that that they've been hiding from us. I consider those sort of two different lanes, if you will, because I think you can believe that there are aliens or there are extraterrestrials or some sort of form of intelligent life that, for whatever reason, we can't kind of put our finger on in a sort of convincing way where everybody's like, oh yeah, of course they're here or they've been here.

And I, you know, I'm in that camp, but I'm not yet convinced, like many people in the world of ufology are, that the evidence of that, the proof of that, is somehow resident in some secret government agency or buried under Area 51. And in the grandest conspiracy of all time, the US government, presumably in cahoots with other governments in the world, has kept that hidden from the global public. I don't think that there's evidence of that. I would imagine that even though it's been on UFO Twitter and shit on a bunch of front page, everything all over the news circuit. Some people have probably been living under a rock or just haven't heard about this yet. So to speak to them, just give me a little like short recap, log line on David Grush,

who we talking about. So David Grush is a now former intelligence official. He worked for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, NGA, which is sort of one of the alphabet soup intelligence agencies, really responsible for like, you know, using space to map the earth. But he was part of this Pentagon task force that was set up by Congress a couple of years ago to basically answer some of these questions like, were there secret government programs that might know about, you know, extraterrestrial crashes, were there programs that could have been reverse engineered, where we learned some new technology from something

that we recovered that we couldn't explain. So David Grush was part of that effort. Last year, he came forward publicly and also filed, you know, a request for an investigation through the Instructor General for the Intelligence Community, which is sort of like the internal watchdogs over all the spy agencies. And his claims are that he talked to dozens of people on the inside with clearances like himself,

who assert that the government did in fact have in its custody at some point UFO crash material and that there was an actual secret program to figure out how does that stuff work. He's made those claims publicly, he's testified before Congress, but he is the first to say that none of the some 40 people that he says he talked to on the inside or people that had real knowledge, does he have first-hand knowledge himself? In other words, he's never seen anything. He's never worked on such a program. He's hearing this from people who swear that this is the case. And when I say I don't think there's evidence of these claims, you know,

we don't know what these secret programs were. We don't know where they were run. We don't know how they were hidden. Now granted, they could all be secret, deeply classified. And so that's why we don't know. But I also think we have to consider that one of the most common things humans do, you and I do it probably all the time, in our daily lives is play the game of telephone, which is I talk to somebody who knows my brother

in law, who works in the secret agency, who saw the alien bodies at area 51. I have found in my reporting in getting to know some of the leading people, particularly former government officials who really believe this, who again will say, I never saw it myself, that they have fallen victim to a little bit of a game of telephone. It has gone on for decades. You know, sort of the water cooler talk, even at the CIA or at the Pentagon, where people hear these stories and they hear them from people that are quite credible. I mean, they have security clearances, they're entrusted with our nation's secrets. But I do think there is an element of this, of sort of this echo chamber, if you will, that this is true and it's always been true and it's always been hidden and I talked to the people who know about it but yet we still haven't seen the goods

and you know and people say well if it's secret why would we see the goods right how would the government you know bring itself to ever let us know and my rejoiner to that is we get a lot of secrets to get leaked out of the government to the point where they put people in jail for the rest of their lives. Right. Leaking stuff. So if, you know, there was this grand conspiracy to hide evidence, real evidence of alien life, why have we not been able to figure it out? And, you know, why haven't we been able to see the evidence? I'm not ruling out that it's

possible that that has happened. Those programs did exist. There was a UFO crash. I'm just saying I'm not convinced yet that that's the case, even though there's this whole sort of cultural phenomenon surrounding this that almost takes it as gospel. You know, you know, we watch a lot of Hollywood movies that, you know, underscore that. And I think, you know, it's a cultural issue as much as it is a sort of, you know, national security issue, right? We just, we believe what we believe and doesn't matter really what the facts are the truth is And I think we can't rule out that some government people have been Have fallen victim to that too back to the claims that he's made do you mind kind of unpacking a few of those?

you know and he mentioned some sort of biologics And he mentioned some sort of biologics, crafts, and I mean, alleging that aliens are real, we've seen the bodies, have the bodies, and we have crafts, and it's just all the things that Steven Spielberg wanted it to be, right? Yeah, I mean, he's basically, his claims are that the government has hidden for decades, secret programs that have known about, when he says biologics, like literally like biological materials, alien bodies or parts of alien bodies, also alien technology, and that there were programs up to

secretly try and understand how does this stuff work. So that's the reverse engineering program that he claims or programs. And he claims that these were hidden from even the highest levels of the government, that they were sort of, we buried in kind of the military industrial complex. And I say that because these claims also assert a role for defense companies, aerospace companies, the Lockheed Martins or the North of Grummans, not necessarily specifically, but the companies that have made the stealth bombers and all of those secret programs that were being developed for decades. In some cases, we're actually mistook for UFOs, right?

I mean, they were testing these things out in the desert, stealth bombers and drones and all those things. I mean, those things were these things out in the desert, stealth bombers and drones and all those things. I mean, those things were being developed in secret for years. And I think it's important to sort of remember that because when you talk about secret alien technology and if you're one who believes that the government does have it or has been working with something like that, you can't really divorce it from the other netherworld of black programs. So, billions of taxpayer dollars that have gone into develop next generation technology

like the stealth fighter, the stealth bomber, you know, hypersonic missiles. I mean, that budget has gone up and up and up and up. We don't know kind of what's in it, but we know the overall numbers. And so, there's a lot of secret technology development going on as we speak. Doesn't necessarily mean it has any relationship or connection to, you know, E-key or alien technology. But if there were to be alien technology that we recovered or studied or something

and somehow learned something that got led into some of those black programs It's all the more reason for the government not to want to talk about it to want to cover it up But you know you mentioned the house the recent house hearing and the former pilots you know, I think their testimony for me also Fits into that first bucket I mentioned earlier. In other words, David Grush, the whistleblower, says the government is hiding all this stuff.

But it's hard to dismiss those sightings of those Navy pilots in their testimony and what they say they saw as real evidence of something really woo-woo and really out there really advanced and You know if they're not ours and the government has said that that some of those things those orbs those spheres They call them tic-tacs. They were like oblong shaped Craft that you know would go to from a hundred thousand feet to the surface of the ocean in like a few seconds. Nothing that we could do. The government has said they're not ours. And so the government is on

the record saying that we're seeing stuff out there that we can't explain and we're trying to explain it. But again, that's different from the government already knows what these things are. the government already knows what these things are, and it's just lying to us, and has figured out all the answers. I think a lot of their reluctance to talk about the UFO issue is not because they have knowledge they don't wanna share, it's because of the lack of knowledge.

In other words, they know there's something out there, and they can't really figure out what it is. And if you're in the intelligence business, you don't share secrets but you also don't share information that you have that you can really put together at either. Because you would want your potential enemies to know that so. I do think that you know the pilots coming forward it's really change the conversation. forward, it's really changed the conversation. And it made it a sort of more serious topic. Like, if we don't know what these things are, we damn well better find out. But, you know, it's still, it's still intriguing to me the possibility that there is, there has been secret programs

within our government that do know more and are not sharing more and That to me obviously would be a huge story in and of itself, but it's also a huge story for our democracy because it would also be proof of a government within a government Because you have the House of Representatives saying tell us what you know We have the head of the Pentagon saying we don't know, but we're trying to find out. But meanwhile, you would have some sort of, you know, netherworld of government officials or contractors that sort of have all these goods. And even the leadership that we've elected to sort of oversee them are in the dark. So like, you know, it's a good story that we have to keep tracking because

of the implications of it, if it were to be true, you know, not just what it would mean for, you know, our presence in the universe if we really did have evidence and knew of another intelligent life form. But you know, what it would mean for, you know, our politics that we sat on this for years, and they were able to hide it even from the people that are supposed to know all the secrets. One more thing before I let you go. There is a video circulating on the internet that came out a few days ago. It's a UFO video, an alleged UFO video from the military and it's being referred to as the jellyfish. Have you seen this video? What are your thoughts on that? That was Corbell. Yeah. Jeremy Corbell is sort of kind of the leader in, you know,

sort of plopping into the public discussion some really intriguing footage of things that, you know, come out of the military or some government agency, he obviously had some sources that leaked that stuff to him. But the thing that's always puzzling to me is like, it's always, or usually it's a very small, teeny little clip. And I'm always like, where's the rest of it?

Did they just look at it for three seconds or three hours. And I was familiar, I had heard about the jellyfish a couple of years ago, like this sort of was going around. Like, oh, the Pentagon got custody of some radar footage or sun camera footage, I forget who it was, of this jellyfish, of this very large tentacle. There was another one, I think it was a different one,

people called the chandelier that looked like a big chandelier hanging over the Persian Gulf in the Middle East. Pilots were seeing it and reporting it. They're intriguing, but taking an isolation, least pilots were seeing it and reporting it. They're intriguing, but taking an isolation, they don't really get us very far. It's exciting, it's click bait. Obviously I understand why Jeremy Corbell

wants to put these out there. It's great for his website, it's great for his brand. But in the grand scheme of things, is it really moving the ball? It's just like another shiny object, literally. Like, let's look at that for five minutes. And, you know, I think the next chapter in this, if you want to go back to that, or sort of the breaking point is, and I think we're starting to see it, I don't think it'll be a breaking point in the sense that it'll be abrupt, but it will evolve, continue to evolve. The topic of UFOs

is now, I think in a way, much more mainstream and acceptable in sort of acceptable society. You know, this is a little more imminent maybe than the next season. But you know, the Pentagon office is supposed to release kind of volume one of its findings from the last few years, I think any day now, which is supposed to be sort of, what are we learning from some of these military pilots, for example, what are we learning about the possible existence of, you know, secret compartmentalized programs that were hiding, you know, UFO material. It's also supposed to report back on like, they were required by Congress to do a historical study, like go back 75 years and try to figure out

what might have been hidden. Interestingly, that study is also supposed to focus on any disinformation campaigns that our own government undertook on the topic of UFOs. And I think that's interesting too, because if you really did want to hide something, you don't just lock it in a box in a room somewhere and give three people with security clearance authority over it. You might do that. But I think if you really had a deep dark secret, you also create around it so much

bullshit in so much conspiracy theories, yeah, so much noise that no one is ever going to find the room because they are gonna be distracted by 50,000 other things and other stories and other tales. And there's already evidence in terms of government documents that have been released that our government had a UFO and disinformation campaign. Often it was to shield those black programs I talked about,

the stealth bomber, the stealth fighter. I mean, the Soviet Union, the Russians were crawling all over America during the Cold War, trying to figure out what do we up to? What's our next big weapon? And there's evidence that we actually, our government spread false UFO reports to drive the Russians crazy and also take people off the scent of maybe some truly secret thing that had nothing to do with ETA that we were working on.

And so I'm interested to see what we're willing to cop to on that, what our government is willing to admit on that. Because I think that's also muddled this issue in a way that makes it very, very hard to unwind this ball of yarn. People who care about this, the public needs to marshal itself to figure out ways. How do we gather more information? How do we, on our own study these reports and see if we can figure something out? It makes me question why someone like David Grush would make something up like this. That's so complex.

I mean, people do weird shit for weird reasons that you don't understand lately. That's so a fact. But this person is a decorated individual in government and intelligence in the intelligence community. And I don't see what he really has to gain. He kind of really has stuff to lose. If this is all for a book deal, that's pretty shitty. Can we go can we go into that? Let's go into why would he lie about this?

Also, we met him. Only if he believes it. Do you wanna go into how we met him? Oh yeah. And how he didn't bring any of this up to us? Yeah, okay, actually, we'll play a clip of this actually. So, Brian Bender mentioned a man named Jeremy Corbell, who if you're not aware of who this individual is, Brian Bender mentioned a man named Jeremy Corbell who

If you're not aware of who this individual is in my eyes He's kind of like he is like the new UFO guy. Yeah, he's the UFO He's just on the pulse of this stuff right now. Yeah, but like this there's been another UFO guy There's also George nap. Oh, yeah, but no, but like right now like this is the he is on the pulse of all things UFO UAP and Tends to get all of the government leaks and clearly has some great relationships with secret sources and Has broken a lot of big stories in in the UFO genre here I recently sat down and interviewed Jeremy Corbell, which I've been trying to do for a long time. Actually, we were trying to interview Jeremy well over a year ago, while we were making High Strain Season 1. Mike and I actually flew to Vegas. If you remember in the first season when we went to Area 51, it was the same time that we were there. And we simultaneously stayed at this hotel in Vegas

and attended this Star Trek conference. We're not Trekkies, I don't really even know much about Star Trek. Speak for yourself. I kind of. No, it's fine, I'm not saying anything. It's not bad, I just, I was like, didn't feel like I was a die hard fan enough.

Like William Shatner was there, it was the whole thing. It was cool to see. Yeah, but Jeremy Corbell was there with another journalist George Knapp who we've used some clips from his Some of his journalism and season one and they spoke on a panel and my plan was to hopefully You know grab him afterwards and and and have a sit down with him, but he was super busy like most people are in the world and we had to postpone it. But I realized, I'll play this clip, I'll play this clip from the interview in a second.

But I realized that in my interview with him, he was describing that scene where we met after the panel in Vegas and we were at the elevator. He goes, you know who I was with that day, right? I was like, uh, yeah, George Knapp. He goes, no, the other guy, David. I was like, oh yeah, the David, the tall guy, right? Yeah.

He's like, that was David Grush. And I was like, and David Grush mean the guy at the congressional hearing, the guy who's started a whole brand new conversation about this. and David Grush mean the guy at the congressional hearing the guy who's Started a whole brand new conversation about this and in that moment. I go holy shit. You're right I see his face now Yeah, and he is tall as shit and I hear his voice and I go I'm I'm in the uber Back to the airport and I text both you guys I go go dig up that tape because I was also Like secretly recording all that which I told him at the end that I was doing that yeah I said go play that tape back and go to this moment and I was doing it on Dropbox

And I was like holy shit. That's his voice. That's him He tells me the layout for it I'm gonna suggest some guests that I can get him in contact with. It's like an audio escape thing. Yeah, it'll be the documentary version, right? Beautiful. Yeah, I want to help you. Yeah, it's going to be... I wouldn't waste your time if I didn't think it was a shooting. This is my bodyguard, Dave. Hey, don't be my ass.

I have a special friend here. This is Dennis. You don't need a bodyguard, but I still do. I know, he probably can beat my ass. Yeah. He's a fat go-go. He's so big. The thing that we're working on is going to be just targeted towards breaking the stigma.

Yeah. And kind of just self-acknowledging. Just like, yeah, we're self-aware. Like, yeah, it's kind of, it's aliens and silly, but is it though? Like, you know, what's really up is the entire tone of the whole thing. Yeah, I think that will resonate with just everyone. And I think that it could be a way to just push the narrative forward and... I'm sure we'll find time for a beer or...

Yeah, I love that. ...minigolf in the dark lights. Yeah. I saw the mini golf police. That's true. I have a plan for that. He did do just it for the first time. No, he mini golf plays. That's true. He did do just it for the first time. I've never played in a mini golf.

Exactly. We're all doing later, later tonight. Don't know yet. Okay, hit me up, because we might be going to, you know, Zed. Zed, yeah, the E.A.J. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, right with his manager really well. So I could probably get us all back to it. I used to, I'm in a different life. I used to be a laser lighting designer. I used to do laser stuff. Yeah, okay. He used to have our controls. Very cool. You know.

Yeah, if that's the vibe. If it's for like an hour, it might be a fun little thing. Forget it all. That's cool. We run out of stuff to do, I don't know. Yeah, do you? Yeah, it's right by the edge of the house. Yeah, I never would have said.

I mean, if that's what's about to get him on the scene. He's super cool. After I left, and we're all good. Yeah He's super cool The It's a weird thing that this guy who comes up with this, what could potentially be a life altering story in the UFO narrative was right there next to us. And we've also been trying to reach him for like months. But now, hey, now we know that we're only one degree away. Also, Dave Grash is standing right fucking there. Yeah, it's basically one of those, you just out of my eyeball.

Talking to me about Zed, and you're inviting him to the Zed show Yeah, which is just another dude. You're going to go to the Zed concert, dude Yeah, like I don't know you but you should come like sounds like I was being lame But no like we you know now we were on Smith's Actually, you know Tim Smith speaking of Tim Smith if you're hearing this this guy's amazing Actually, you know, Tim, speaking of Tim Smith, if you're hearing this, this guy's amazing. He's Zed's manager. And Skrillex. And Skrillex, and among other people, he does a whole bunch of shit.

He does cool shit. He's a big time. Cooler shit than I do. Yeah. He was in Vegas the same time we were. And we met up with him and he's like, you guys want to go to backstage Zed? And I was like, I mean, what is that question? And so I was clearly like,

hey guys, like you wanna go backstage Zed? Turns out it was actually even cooler than I was even talking about. It was, I mean. It was in his DJ. It wasn't backstage. We were, I was DJing vicariously. We could touch his butt.

Yeah, I could touch his butt. I mean, I could have. Actually, no, I did give him my hat and he threw it into the crowd. You told him to. Little known story actually about Tim Smith is that this man who is amazing, love this guy, Zett's manager, he is actually the sole reason

that I was ever able to talk to Travis Walton. I told him I was doing this, this show a long time ago. When, kind of when I first met him, I think, and I, you know, he's into the topic and I was keeping him up to speed. And somehow Travis Walton came up. He's like, you know, actually, I know that guy I met him before. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, yeah, I met him at a conference or something and he's a Tim is a big UFO guy and I guess made the connection with him and remember that day when we were waiting on Travis Walton to come and we thought he was never coming and

I really I mean I was texting Tim and I to this day think that Tim sent a text to Travis in like help change his mind. Oh yeah absolutely. He was very late and that's all good but I think that he was having doubts about wanting to do it. And I talked about that in the podcast. I just left that little detail out. Jeremy Corbell has insight unlike most people do in this space, unless you are part of the government. Because he has relationships with these people who have leaked videos. The stuff that's spawned some of the biggest articles you've heard

in scene and read online. I sat down and talked to him and it is an amazing eye-opening conversation and I want you to go check it out on my weekly show called Talking to Death and I know it's annoying you have to go click another app and all that stuff but in the meantime while we're working on High Strange season 2, every week on my weekly show, we talk about stuff like this sometimes, talk about true crime, talk about UFOs, talk about aliens, and if you want to just follow along as we're building these shows and actually working on High Strange, that's how you could do it.

So if you want to check out the full interview of Jeremy Corbell, which I think you really should I swear checking out He's one of the better ones that he's done Most mostly because I feel like he was just open with stuff and I even asked him what I felt like were some Real rational harder questions and he had good answers for them I asked Jeremy Corbell what he thinks in his opinion is the most interesting, compelling footage of UFOs out there, which is a big question because there's a bunch of shit out there and a bunch of nonsense and a bunch of stuff that might be real that we don't know. So I asked him this and this is what he said.

What do you think personally is the most compelling evidence of extraterrestrial life? Personally. First question that I've asked every single person I've ever tried to like interview. I was so naive I'd say, what's the best? Tell me personally what it is and it's never. I'm hoping you'll give me a nugget over here. I know that's what I want when I talk to people. It's never as satisfying because the real... Like to you though, because...

I know. You're gonna hate my answer, bro. I know it. Okay, what is it? Are you ready? It sucks. Okay. What is it?

It is the preposterous preponderance and the weight of the cumulative evidence and my personal experiences that gives me the most powerful feeling of that. That is the evidentiary of it. It's the culmination over decades and the preposterous preponderance of evidence. And we could break that down for your viewers. What does that mean? Everything from multi-sensor platforms to like histories. I get weird going with this. Yeah.

I mean, I could like point to one thing that I think is pretty good. Yeah, just like one case. Yeah. Give me one case. Yeah, sure. I think the least valued and the highest return on a case is looking at the 2019 UFO swarm events over the 10 Navy warships, the story that George and I broke with unparalleled multi-sensor, multi-platform footage that we were able to obtain and release. That 2019 case is a pinnacle of what we should be doing with getting different types of data,

getting a wide spectrum of people that all experienced the same series of events. It is a powerful case. And I have done all the damn leg work and other people now can jump in and do some of that. I've provided it on a silver platter. I've got other cases I'm working on. If people dug into that, they would have an unparalleled case.

That case is so important. This is the night vision one, right? It was night vision, it was thermal, it was radar and it was deck footage. and it was 10 Navy warships in 2019 swarmed by over 100 UFOs simultaneously coming from the west, and there's nothing out there but Hawaii. They don't know where they came from, they don't know where they went, they were trans-medium, they have helicopter pilots that saw them go into the water. You got people that fought the ships that literally came on and gave me their audio on my podcast telling what they experienced.

That case is profound and our government says we still don't know who operated those devices, those units as they call them UAP. That's a big one. It's a big one. And the skeptics would say that it was a bokeh or something in the lens. Well again, I love skeptics.

You're talking about debunkers. Okay, I guess you would say a debunker in that case. Debunkers, yeah, but I don't listen to what you're gonna say because they're- Yeah, I've just seen both sides of the story and I've kind of, but to me, having looked at it, I've seen that video. One, visually, it also is just, to me,

instantaneously compelling. So that's the green triangle-looking footage. Yes, that's one picture. By angle of observation, it was green. So triangle by angle of observation. So what is a four-dimensional triangle? Well, that would be probably a pyramid. Now, when I said, oh yeah, they were reported as pyramid

in shape, I didn't pull that out of thin air, right? Now, I can't put out everything that comes my way, but I will tell you on record that is in classified documents that there's other sensor systems that they had and they were pyramid and shaped, and there you go. But people can take a piece of this cup and tear it off and put it to the side and then hide the rest of the cup

and be like, see, it's not a cup. Yeah, but that's a piece of a cup. That's what they're doing intentionally. I'm telling people, if you look at the totality of the 2019 swarm events, which is an example of these swarms that are occurring all around the world to this day, and I have other cases of it, and I've said one before and it was off the coast of Japan,

I did that on a podcast, people should dig into that. There have been so many, and I have so many first-hand witnesses, some of whom are leaving military now and will come forward with telling exactly what they know about it. But everything happens on its own time with that. I can't control that. Absolutely.

Also, that's a huge decision that they're making too, if they're leaving and they're coming out, right? Because we see what happens to people that raise their hand on the parapet. David Grush, you just try to king call on him. Yeah, he's going to get crucified out there, man. Yeah, but he's a tough motherfucker. Yeah, I will say David Grush is also really well spoken,

I think, and just articulate. So, regardless of, you know, if what he's saying is true or not, damn, they got a good person saying it. Yeah, for real, right? We're lucky to have somebody like David Grush. He's articulate. David Grush is fastidious.

He is also has an incredible memory. He is well-oriented to be in the roles that he was in, which was national security, intelligence. He was a high- high ranking intelligence officer, career guy, he's the kind of guy you want protecting America. He's the kind of guy that was in a position to know and see these black programs.

He's the guy that uncovered with dozens of witnesses, these UFO or non-human intelligence craft being reverse engineered, that kind of thing. And then he pushed over those sources like he says up to 40 and and he put them over to another investigation into the ICIG Intelligence community inspector general like the police of the intelligence community they then did their own investigation found it to be both credible and urgent and Obviously found what he said to be not only credible and urgent, but relevant and not a lie.

So really, we're lucky to have David Grush haven't come forward to the degree he has. There's more he could do, but he has to abide by the law, does not want to hurt the United States of America. So how do you do it? And he's trying to do it the right way. Famously, if you're in intelligence, you have to assume you're being lied to you know by people in in intelligence

like sure our government has completely tried to keep this on the DL and And I get that for some time for good reason, but we're past that now So I'm really hoping that the new director of arrow Makes a point to be honest with the American public because the the truth will be told eventually And I know that because people have gone to the ICIG This isn't this cops of the intelligence agencies and they have presented what they what they know and it is undeniable So now it's just a matter of falling up on it So the truth will come out if you're gonna be remembered in history because you got the hubris and the little you know

Coat pins and you want to be remembered in history wanna be remembered in history? Don't fucking lie. How about that? Start there. Be honest with the American public. I just know that certain truths will come out easy way or hard way. And I am all down for the hard way. And so are other people.

It ain't pretty though. It would be nice if it came out in a controlled way where this disclosure process is. When we can get to a point where we stop pointing the finger at each other and being like, we could have difference of opinion, but when we're all in it together, we have some consensus that this is worthy of us looking at,

you're gonna see that completely unravel. You're gonna see, I mean, I'm not a predictive person. I don't know when my coffee pot's going off, but I imagine that if we stop this kind of weird infighting and just try to look at the truth together, it will be abundantly clear that there's a true mystery here and we could benefit from looking at it together. We've been ignoring it for quite some time.

We've been that guy, you know, on the corner of the table saying. Denying it really. Yeah,'ve been that guy, you know, on the corner of the table saying I'm not really Yeah, going along with everybody, you know, what's easier to feel like we do know everything But that's always never been true. That's never why is it true now all of a sudden it isn't yeah All right, I don't I think that's a weird burden like I am wrong more than I'm right right, but the thing is See, that's how you know that you're right. Is if you were ever been wrong.

Yeah. Or that's your always right then. Have you ever had that moment where you're like, you're a kid, right? And you fucking, you like fight for something. You're like, I know for sure they said, left and not right. And then you just get a complete,

like you were totally wrong. Yeah, you're right. Have you ever had that experience? Yes. Yes. Did you learn from that? Yeah, I're right. Have you ever had that experience? Yes. Yes. Did you learn from that? Yeah, I don't ever want to feel that way again. Okay, yeah.

I learned that, holy shit, I got a triple check things, quadruple check them because we are all flawed. We have a chance to be wrong. Absolutely. So you always put that in front of the mind, you know? You gotta check yourself. Always.

And have other people do it for you too. Help you. Jeremy gets so much hate on Reddit and on Twitter that he's a grifter, that he's just saying stuff, that he's believing stuff that people tell him, bro, this is one of the most sincere dudes I've ever talked to. And he's not tricking anyone.

He believes this stuff. People come to him with information that they trust him with, and he keeps them anonymous, and he doesn't put it out right away, and he might sit on stuff that he's known about forever. The UFO people are turning against him and like, oh, he's just a dude saying like, next time. But like, no, this guy wants all the same stuff we want.

He wants disclosure. He wants this stuff to come out. He wants to out every source that's ever came to him, but he can't. Yeah, he's in the business of furthering this. You have to gain trust. Of pushing the ball forward. Yeah, and to keep trust and to keep other sources

coming to you anonymously, you have to respect the current ones you have right now. And he does that, and he's very sincere. Yeah, and I asked him hard questions, normal hard questions. If I were to say, hey, X, Y, Z, and you're like, holy shit, that sounds unbelievable. You know, you'd be like, tell me more, or what do you mean? Or how do you know? And I was asking those kind

of questions. And I feel like, you know, those are questions that are probably annoying. But he also knows the value of those questions. And I had never in it at all was trying to you know Catch him in something. I wanted him to take the time to explain One more detail that might be like it helps look from from for myself. I was like if I'm a Little bit skeptical help me get there. I believe you, but I'm also, you know, if it's, I deal with true crime, you know, and that comes down to the court of law sometimes, right?

Facts, evidence, you know, statements, witness testimony, shit that you can present to a jury to make your argument. And I really enjoyed that we were able to have that kind of conversation. Of course he had only great answers because that's who he is. He's not bullshitting. It's a weird topic because, you know, we don't know where this is going to go. But every time I get lost in it again and I'm like, God, man, like if it was real, we would just know by now.

I think of the exact opposite for a second. I go, man, if it wasn't real, man, wouldn't this just be over by now? Yeah. So, you know, like all the things that we proved to be wrong, there's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like how is this one? Still so persistent for as much as we know It's almost like the idea has only become more likely and more possible and that's maddening to think about

Especially if it weren't true. What does it even say about us as humans if it if we were just imagining all this shit at this point? Or what is it that we're experiencing that we're filling in all these gaps for? I think that becomes a crazier concept than there being something beyond this earth, whatever that means Existence that is more intelligent has been here for longer. We love making this show and we love making these round table episodes and I swear to God every every week We have been reminding ourselves. We need to go make a roundtable right now. Just like just to do it. And have faith in us because we have been hard at work on investigating new stories

for the second season and it's actually finally shaping up and it's becoming a thing. I'm not going to lie. What? This might be my favorite thing to do. Talk about UFOs. Dude. You're so good at it. It to do. Talk about UFOs. Dude. You're so good at it. High strain is so fucking fun.

Hey, look, he said it, keep this part in. We most certainly have plans to make a second season of High Strange, so I'll just go ahead and officially say that. I don't have a timeline for you yet, but I can tell you that we've already been working on it. We never really put it down since we stopped. It almost seemed like High Strange Season 1 broke the broke the seal for us

and kind of kicked down the door for some of the people we we've we've wanted to talk to since day one anyway. And the conversation is evolving. And I always looked at High Str Strange Season 1 as a sort of a a baby step to this concept, even for myself, just to sort of put it all wrapped up in a bow. And let's just talk about what the hell is going on. And I feel like if you were riding with me the whole time in Season 1, that we're probably in a similar spot no matter where you land, that there's something going on, right? You can't deny it. And so the conversation is not dead. It's only more

alive than ever. And I had a thought that conceptually for high strange season two, a lot of people have emailed me and they've said stuff like, you know, is this just like an American thing, right? All the stories we covered were mostly American stories besides the the Rindlesham incident, which was the American military, but it happened in the UK. But I can totally see how just the the folklore around UFOs, Area 51, you know, the US government's flying saucers, a lot of that stems from American pop culture, right? But the crazy thing is, and I've learned this even more since the season ended, is that it's a legitimate

worldwide thing. Absolutely. It's happening in every single fucking country you can think of. And I think a lot of those stories, to me, almost hold more weight because it just goes against the pop culture hoax sort of concept that we lean into when it seems too good to be true here. concept that we lean into when it seems too good to be true here. And please, please, go check out Talking to Death, my weekly show. We all three work on this show. Every interview that you hear on that show, we've all been in the fucking room. And it's a fun array of people, and we do talk about UFOs with people you would never expect us to. Yeah.

Yeah, so go check out Talking to Death. And we do talk about UFOs with people you would never expect us to. Yeah. Yeah, so go check out Talking to Death. Right now, my true crime show, which is how it's all started, Up and Vanished is out. And so we're doing these intros in the beginning of the Talking to Death episode. We're breaking down that. So if you haven't heard Up and Vanished, go check that out. But yeah, we're coming back. We never left you.

We always loved you. And please, you know, talk to us. Send us an email, like follow us on social media at highstrange, tell us what you think, and we may or may not respond. We'll post this jellyfish UFO video on the Instagram, the highstrange Instagram. It is weird looking.

It's like, I don't know what it looks. It doesn't look like a traditional UFO in the way that you are probably imagining it. It looks like some, it looks like a jellyfish. Well, have you seen the peanut butter one? The what? The peanut butter? Is this a, is this a bad joke?

It's a bad joke. Okay. What's the punch line? Yeah. Yeah. Can't wait. When does it get joke. Okay, what's the punch line? Yeah, can't wait. When does it get funny? Well, it's the peanut butter incident and the jellyfish incident. Oh my God, my God.

Wow, that's hilarious. This is how, we went too long. We talked for too long. We have fried our brains, everybody. But no, in all seriousness, Thank you for being patient with us We love you guys and we will see you very soon Go check out talking to death the Jeremy Corbell interview is all about UFOs and I know you'll love it. Thanks. I'm a Tokyo Japan in a band cell. Blueberry T-shirt, sleeve or nuller. Top turn of hurt riding anywhere.

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