Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - A ‘Corny’ Conversation With Wood Harris

Episode Date: March 3, 2023

Van and Rachel talk disinformation in light of the Fox News defamation lawsuit with Dominion (14:56), before welcoming actor Wood Harris to discuss ‘Creed III,’ his other memorable roles, and the concept of "corny" (41:47). Plus, a top NFL prospect and an NBA star face legal trouble (1:24:47). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Wood Harris Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Ileyn is on. Is I Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel, Lynn, Lindsay. Rachel, I'm about to stop. I'm about to set a rule. I'm very,

I'm almost at the point of setting a rule saying that I will not receive any email, not emails, any DMs from Thought Warriors anymore. What's going on in your DMs? You keep responding to people. Well, what happens is I don't check the Reddit anymore. So I think people, they really got used to being able to say something to me. And so since I don't go there, don't go on there anymore, they just like DM me whenever they have a problem. And I read the DMs.

And what's the problem? Well, there's two problems. Number one, people are one person made fun of how I dress. They said I'm wearing too much hard hard hard stuff. Was this just a joke. That was, that was actually funny. The person that said that to my Twitter, yeah, actually very funny.

But I wear a lot of car hard stuff because it fits, you know, this, when it fits Big Man good. So I wear, I have a lot of different stuff. You know, I go through my closet. I try to try on, like, I have this funny game that I do. I try to try on stuff from before I gain weight. And it's fucking hysterical. It's very funny.

It's not funny. It's funny to me, okay? But by bands, got me. Boom! Let me tell you something about Vibance. I'm not,

Donnie, we need to have like a disclaimer that says I'm not anyway, repped by Big Pharma. I'm not endorsing anything. Were people mad about that too? I swear the God,

no, no one brought that up. I swear to God, I'm not endorsing anything. I'm not telling anyone to take anything. Yeah. But there's something

that's happening to me where it's suppressing my appetite as well. I'm just, these last couple of days have been just a cornucopia of getting shit done.

It's so weird. I went through my phone and saved all the phone numbers in my phone of people who I hadn't saved their numbers. Okay, that's another level of focus. And you wonder why this is hot on the streets. It's hot on the streets.

This is hot on the streets. I didn't know. Oh, yeah, they told me. They told me that, but I don't, I've never heard of anybody. Oh, yeah. They're getting into it. Did you have, did you have an Adderall phase in college? Did we talk about this?

I feel like we talked about it. No, I never did. I really didn't. I knew people who were doing more so law school is where I saw it than I, than college. We've never talked about your law school experience that much where it's like hyper competitive and you're like, you want to herit everyone and kill everyone. At the University of Texas. that. You didn't feel it.

I went to Marquette for law school. Went to Marquette for law school. So, Kenny, Kenny, Kent. So at Marquette, did you, was it, was it letter grades or was it past, fail, high pass, high, like, whatever? No, it's letter grades. But I was in these Milwaukee streets. Like, hard.

In the Milwaukee streets? What? Hard. in the Milwaukee streets, Nick? Have you been to Milwaukee? I'm not dissing Milwaukee, guys. I've never been.

I'm just saying it goes down. Milwaukee can be kind of rough. Okay. Oh, no, no, no. That I knew. But is it going down? I'm not saying like it's popping.

You go to Milwaukee and you're like, what is there fun to do? And they say Chicago. So it's not like that. But there are a couple of spots that you would go to. And the bucks were being in there. Who?

The bucks were being there and you would be like, hey, Michael Red. No, what you're doing it? Yeah, 720. 720 was when, no, it was Brandon Jennings. Brandon Jennings. Oh, Jesus Christ. 720 was the name of the club that was popping like that. Then there was 618, which was more of like a, it was outside of downtown, more of like a.

So I know some of these, I know some of these bucks. I know Larry Sanders. Shout out to the homie Larry Sanders. Big Larry out here doing this thing. Larry Sanders is a very nice guy and a very strong and upright brother that everybody should be supportive, big tall-ass niggins.

Shout out to Larry Sanders. He was on the Bucks at that time. When did you leave? I didn't know him. I knew like, well, I was there from 2008 to 2011. Oh, so I don't think Larry was quite there yet.

So 2008 to 2011. So you were getting in the Milwaukee Street. So does this mean that like you weren't super focused on law school? Was that the thing? I did enough to get by. I was never, I was not the student who was like, I have to be the top of the class because I knew my plan.

I was, Wisconsin has this to where if you graduate from Wisconsin, you leave with your bar license. So all you do is graduate, pay the fee, and you're a licensed attorney. But I knew I was going to go back to Texas to take the bar, which I did, and I really focused on that. So I was just trying to, I was just trying to do enough, right? I worked for the Milwaukee Bucks, my last semester in law school.

I was a legal intern fan. I was a legal intern. I had a great time. Yeah, I was a research assistant for the sports law institute when I was there. I worked. So you just seems like you did a lot of stuff. Right. Yeah, like I would work hard and I would play hard.

Right. So I got introduced to somebody who was from Milwaukee and they kind of had the keys to the city and I got cool with their daughter and I would hang out with no law school people, just people from the city. Nice. And it was a good time. Yeah, you know, I have friends. friends that went to law school or like a lot of yours. And then they went to law school

and then they, everybody freaked out over the bar. The bar was tough. The bar was tough. The bar caused, I've seen the bar cause relationship problems. I've seen the bar cause, like the bar was tough.

I've seen some of the smartest niggas I've ever known just can't do it. It is rough. It is a, in Texas, it was two and a half days of testing. I developed heartburn after the first day. and I had it from the first day I took the bar

until I got my results. For three months, I had heartburn. That's the kind of stress that I was under. I think it was the pork chops. No, it wasn't. It was rough. It was. How much time do you study when you study for the bar?

I'm probably not the one to focus on because for me, like three days before the bar, I was like, fuck it. At this point, I either know it or I don't. I was at the club. At that point, three days before. Who are you? Rachel, do you realize that you've given possibly the most irresponsible answers to every single question that I've asked?

I'm a good test taker. I'm a good test taker. So am I, but like, and you're so successful and you're like the kids that are listening to this right now. You don't listen to what I said. I said three days before the bar. At that point, if you don't know it, you don't know it. I had been studying. I would honestly say I put in a 12 hour days.

because you would go to your bar prep class, which is about three to four hours, and then you would go straight to the library. You would find your people, find your study groups, so you could exchange outlines, get different information. Some people were taking classes that you weren't taking. And I go to SMU library, and I would study with out-of-towners.

That was my key. Not the people who went to law school in Texas, they had an advantage because they knew Texas law. I study with the out-of-st-towners. So I'm not telling you that part, 12 hours a day, 12 hours of today. And I had a long distance boyfriend. Made it work.

Made it work. People have been, we're not going to have Scott Adams on the podcast, but we're only not going to have Scott Adams on the podcast. People were mad. I had somebody hit me up and say that I was Emmanuel Acho. And you know what pisses me off about that? Y'all needs to calm down.

Do you know what pisses me off about that? And shout out to this person, because we ended up actually having a pretty good conversation on, on back and forth. But we're really pissed me off as about that. It's like sometimes I feel like I'm being honest that that y'all don't really pay attention to what it is that's actually being said on the podcast.

Sure. And I know that the podcast is an entertainment podcast and I don't think that the words that I'm saying are so important that anyone need, like hang on every word or heed every single message. But I don't have any problem with anyone interviewing somebody that we might, consider to be as a problematic, either outside of the culture, whatever you want to call it.

I would interview anybody. Those are the types of interviews. I was recently asked to sit for an interview with Richard Spencer. I won't be doing that. But I would interview anyone, right? I would interview anybody. The problem that I had was the interview itself. When you have somebody there who espouses certain things or there's a purpose to the interview like the police or Roger Goodell, not to rehash this, not to drum this back up.

I feel like there is a responsibility to approach the interview in a certain way. So if we had Scott Adams on here and it was like, hey, tell us about the beginnings of Dilbert. What was the inspiration? Huh? You feel brave with the things that you said? That would be one thing.

But having an interview, But having an interview to where you either hold somebody's feet to the flame, poke holes in the narrative that they're spinning, right, or are able to talk around them in a way, not to try to change their perspective or their opinion, but sometimes these bad ideas need to be confronted in an open form. But I think that that's interesting. I think it's interesting that we're kind of moving away from a point where people feel the need to do that.

I think people now would rather kind of let them fester amongst their own people. I'm not, one of the reasons why I'm not for citizenship is because I feel like bad ideas should be confronted where everyone can see. I think it's interesting that that thought warrior hit you up in that way or that other thought warriors were against bringing. somebody on because we've discussed before having somebody who was not a blatant racist necessarily like Scott Adams, but we've talked about having someone on the complete opposite end of the spectrum on this podcast. And the point is not to give them a platform to further these ideas, it's to make these ideas go further. It's to give them to have the conversation where we can challenge them on the things that they're saying and confront them on issues that have

made the news or that have been controversial or have gone viral on social media. And I'm sorry, thought warriors, when did you not want us to do that? At this point, we are almost three years in this thing. And I think that you would trust the type of conversation that we were to have, whether it's coming from van, me, or both, that we would do it justice in the higher learning way. So like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. We have Wood Harris on the podcast today. Yeah, we do. What's the, what's the enduring Wood Harris role for you? What do you feel like? I mean, remember the Titans. You have to understand. Remember the kind of household I grew up in.

Okay. These are the movies that we were watching. These are the movies we were watching. I loved him. I loved him in this movie. Julius? Like, I loved his story. I felt.

him was a true story. That was, that was it for me. I wasn't. Left side. Left side. Left side. Left side. Left side.

Wait. Wait. We are the tightens. I love that movie. That was, that was when I first really came to know Woodhairs. That's too many roles. too many roles. That was the first. No, the first. No, the first. I'm not named him the best. I'm naming the first. Good question. Well, I mean, the first time I remember seeing him was above the rim.

Sure. Well, I did not. I was not watching that in the 90s. But yes. I saw, remember the Titans. I'm pretty sure that that came out before the wire. But so that's a one hair. 2000. When did the wire? Was that 0.2? I think 2003, maybe 2003. Maybe, no, maybe 2002, 2002, 2003, something like that. And so, yeah, the wire might be 2002. So it's the first time is probably remember the Titans, but then, man, he just goes on that run, man. You know, Wood everywhere. And a career that when you think about it, not even when you think about it,

what is everywhere right now, what Marvel, Blade Runner, oh, the, the, the creed, franchise going not just going but going strong. I can't wait to talk to Wood Harris about all kinds of things. So we'll have him on in a little bit. But before we do that, we have to talk about a big deal of the day that we haven't really touched on here

on higher learning. And that is the potentially seismic case of Dominion suing Fox News. Something important to talk about on the other side of this break. Let's do it. Okay, Rachel. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters.

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Trading derivatives involve significant risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Manage your activity with our consumer protection tool. Restrictions applies. See terms at Fandul.com slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash terms. Yes. Fox News. Mm-hmm. First words to come to your mind.

Yuck. Yeah, but why? Don't just, don't just yuck. You said first word. Oh, you said words. I'm sorry, I heard word. Fox News to me, when I think of it, first thing I think of is unreliable.

Mm-hmm. Doing things in a performative way and for show. Yeah. But then I also think about how are they, are one of the most watch networks at the same time. Not one of the. The, the, the. Yeah.

So before we get into what's going on right now, I'll take you guys back into the history of my understanding of Fox News. I first started hearing the term liberal bias in the media. When I was in high school, when I really started to kind of pay attention to that stuff. And at the end of the 90s,

or maybe the mid-90s, Fox News burst onto the scene. And Fox News ended up, it set itself apart, obviously, as being a right of center network. Okay? And for years, that was okay. For years, Fox didn't seem to peddle in the kind of outright misinformation

that they are mired in now. For a long time, you had the Bill O'Reilly's of the world, you had Hannity and Combs, Henry used to share his show with a guy who had it leftly perspective. You have Mark Lamont Hill, who was somebody who I first saw on Fox News. I'm not saying that Fox News was ever someplace that gave you the news straight down the center and didn't in any way a sort of prop up right-leaning thought. What I'm saying is it wasn't as bad as what it's

been for a number of years now. Now what we're seeing is Fox news is not being even a news operation anymore. When you say, when you say that Fox at this point is an arm of the Republican Party and not just the Republican Party, but the far right MAGA kind of conservative wing of the party, when you say that? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. When you consider that Fox is the most watch cable news network out there. And it's mainstreaming some really terrible ideas, such as White replacement therapy. White replacement therapy.

That's funny. You need therapy to replace. White replacement theory. Dog whistling, white supremacist tropes, all those types of things. You were wondering, is there any possible thing that could kind of yank them back from the edge of just complete whack-a-doo bullshit? There might be. Right now, Dominion voting systems.

which is a company, is a Divervay's company. It sells electronic voting hardware. I'm sure you guys have heard about this in software. It's suing Fox News and its parent company, News Corp, Rupert Murdoch's situations, for its peddling of the big lie, which is, of course, that Donald Trump actually won the 2020 presidential election. A lot of times when people would point to ways that voter fraud happened,

they would point directly to Dominion's software. Have you heard about this case? Yeah, no, absolutely. It's one that we shouldn't take lightly and we should pay attention to because whatever ends up happening with this case is going to be, it's going to dictate honestly how we receive news, right?

Like who, the way that, yeah, the way that we receive news. So, yeah, I've been paying attention to it. I find it very interesting because this is a defamation case, right? And a defamation case is a really, really hard to prove because you have to prove what's a standard called actual malice. And so it's not just that false statements were made. It's that the person had knowledge that these statements were actually false.

So what you're going to see on the other side and what is happening with Fox News is they're saying, were protected under the First Amendment. Am I jumping ahead here? No, you're doing a thing. We're protected under the First Amendment. We're just giving our, we're just giving our opinion. We have the right to say these things. But if you can prove that not only are they saying the wrong thing, but knew these things were wrong, which is hard to prove, right? Because you basically have to get inside of their head that their intention was to lie, that they knew that they knew that they were, that they knew these statements were false and they were going to continue

perpetuating these false statements. Well, what's happened is in the discovery process where Dominion's team, legal team, is trying to figure out what Fox News knew. During the discovery process, they've been taking depositions, they've had access to text messages, they've had access to emails,

and they are learning that the higher-ups, all the way up to the top, to these hosts that are on air, were not only making false statements, but knew they were making false statements and didn't believe any of it. There's so much evidence that goes towards Dominion's case that to me,

it seems like this is a no-brainer, even though this is a hard case to prove, that Fox News was defamatory against Dominion. And here's the other thing I just want to say to, even if Dominion is successful on this case, their reputation is forever tainted because of how big the big lie was. You will forever think about Dominion and their equipment and how faulty it was or the things that it was capable of doing, switching votes.

And so it ruins their credibility as states on the local state and national level use these machines for voting purposes. So even though they're suing for $1.6 billion, this has been detrimental to their reputation and their whole business. You're not even supposed to know what a company like Dominion is. Exactly. Right. If the company is operating and the software, should I say, is operating the way that it should be operating, you're never even supposed to know what the name of that company is. You're supposed to, the faith is supposed to be so high that the votes are being tabulated the way that they're supposed to be tabulated, that you're never even supposed

I've heard of that company. You'll only ever hear the name of a company like that if something is going wrong. And in this case, nothing did go wrong, but Donald Trump, his cronies, and Fox News made it seem like that was happening. We have basically everyone. This is Lou Dobbs on November 11, 2020.

We're talking fresh. After everything. This is Lou Dobbs talking about the big lie in Dominion voting systems. Also breaking the election software blame for what some humorous in Pennsylvania called glitches and Michigan and Georgia, those glitches were, it appears, programmed in software used in not just a few states. In 28 states in this election. The software is in the voting. of a company called Dominion Voting Systems.

Okay. Let me give you guys a little breakdown here, a little media situation. Okay, so Van Lathen, myself, third person douchebag, who I am now, writing a headline for TMZ, the way that you can, the way you write a headline. Let me tell you where Lou Dobbs fucked up. Okay. when you are writing a headline about a lawsuit

or about an allegation you have to maintain the intellectual consistency of the allegation throughout that headline or throughout your statement it appears lends way too much

credibility to the accusation people are claiming people are saying a large swath. The better thing to do there is to identify the specific party that is making claims to take a gigantic idea and crystallize it into one person, one entity. If there is a voters group in Georgia, if there is a political group in Arizona, if there is, if there is an elections personnel person in Nevada, what you need to be able to do as a news organization, and I'm not teaching Lou Dobbs or anybody at Fox how to do news,

I'm just telling you how I was taught to do it. You need to say they are saying this. They're saying. We're not saying it. They're saying it. Okay. The moment you get into it appears, you're editorializing.

Yeah. Right. You're saying, hey, well, we thought that this was going on, but it looks like this is happening. Well, it looks like this is happening to whom? Right now, it looks like this is happening.

It looks like Lou Dobbs thinks that it happened. And Lou Dobbs is saying this on Fox's Airwaves. Let's move on. You have Maria Bertramo with Trump's lawyer, Sidney Powell. This is November 15th, 2020. Donnie, give me that out of you. Welcome back.

According to public records, Dominion voting machines are used in 2,000 jurisdictions in 30 states. According to experts, if one site has a flaw, other sites are likely to as well, which is why Texas rejected using Dominion software three times, raising concerns that the system was not safe from fraudulent or unauthorized manipulation. That's troubling, given we already know that at least two software glitches in Georgia and Michigan, occurred on election night. Attorney Sidney Powell is leading the charge against Dominion, and she says she has enough evidence of fraud to launch a massive criminal investigation. Sydney, thanks very much for being here. We appreciate your time this morning. I want to get right into it. We just heard about the software made by Smartmatic from Rudy. And I want to get your take on what you and I spoke about just a few minutes ago, and that is a gentleman named

Peter Neffinger. Tell me how he fits into all of this. Yes, well, he is listed as its former Admiral Peter Neffinger, a retired Admiral Peter Neffinger. He is president and on the board of directors of Smartmatic. And it just so happens he's on Mr. Biden's presidential transition team that's going to be non-existent because we're fixing to overturn the results of the election in multiple states. And President Trump won by not just hundreds of thousands of votes. but by millions of votes that were shifted by this software that was designed expressly for that purpose. We have sworn witness testimony of why the software was designed.

It was designed to rig elections. He was fully briefed on it. He saw it happen in other countries. It was exported internationally for profit by the people that are behind Smartmatic and Dominion. they did this on purpose. It was calculated. They've done it before. We have evidence from 2016 in California. We have so much evidence. I feel like it's coming in through a fire hose. That doesn't sound too bad, right? Except for one thing. Text messages from November 16th, 2020, which would have been one day after this aired. From Tucker Carlson say, Sidney Powell is lying about having evidence for election fraud. Okay. And later on, communication from Rupert Murdoch himself, who was deposed on this and is seemingly willing to sacrifice different personalities on Fox News, if that means sort of settling with dominion in some sort of way, said that he said in communication between him and other people at Fox that Trump was eventually going to concede. The reason why that's important is because it seemed like,

at least internally, inside of the Fox Brain Trust, they knew that Sidney Powell and people like her, including disgrace Mayor Giuliani and others, were lying about this, but they platformed them anyway. Rachel, question to you, even if you don't say, if you allow someone to come on your airwaves

and say something about a specific company that you know to be untrue and you don't in any way do any journalism is that defamation. Yeah, if you knew the state what was being said was false, then it's, yeah, it's defamation, right?

It's a false statement and he knew that statement that was being made was false. Absolutely it's what it is. And I mean, it's wild because the reason all of this Fox News even started this jumping on this bandwagon is because they pissed off Trump. And Trump got mad. And Trump started calling them out because they essentially were the ones to announce that Biden won the presidency. Because was it Arizona? I think that was the state. They announced that he won Arizona.

And Trump got mad and started calling out Fox and Fox's ratings dropped. So their response, to get their ratings back up and to get power in this whole news, you know, to remain on top like they were, was to jump on the bandwagon that Trump was on, even though they knew it was a lie. Rupert Murdoch, in his deposition said it's not about red or blue, it's about green.

It's about green. It's about ratings. It's about money. It's about power. And so rather than give the truth and to honor journalism, and to protect it, they went after the Green.

And they jumped on whatever Trump was saying, they were going to repeat it because that was going to let them hold on to everything that it is that they lost. Which is not what we do was not journalism. So let's talk about Rupert Murdoch real quick.

Rupert Murdoch's deposition has been unsealed. And in this deposition, he talks about the fact that, like I said before, various Fox News hosts participated in this. He says some more directly and more egregiously than others. And when asked what should happen to them, he said some of them should be reprimanded. He said they should be reprimanded.

And in some cases maybe they should be let go. So the question now is a billion dollar haircut is a huge haircut. we've seen Dominion with threats of lawsuits and other lawsuits be able to shut people down like Newsmax O&O and who remember they ripped Newsmax ripped the My Pillow guy right off the air when he was on this can't do it, can't handle the lawsuit. So Dominion seems to be in a good spot with Fox News

and the question is what's going to be the fallout of all of this? This is the reason why this story is so important to me is because Fox News killed Brian Siknik. And that is not hyperbole. That is in no way hyperbolic. That's not me jumping to a conclusion. That's a fact. The Trump administration could not accept defeat in 2020.

And because of that, they concocted a vivid fantasy about what actually happened. And there were several people who they villainized in that fantasy. They villainized election workers all over the country. They villainized their own vice president, Mike Pence. They villainized anyone who refused to go along with the big lie. Okay, they villainized dominion. Anyone that didn't believe this fairy tale was an enemy.

Normally, we have to dig very deep to uncover the actual bones, the remains of what bad ideas do. Normally, it's hard. You can't really see it. You try to convince people of what believing and putting your faith in the bad ideas. You try to convince people of what not addressing systemic racism will do. You try to convince people of how not using the proper pronouns or dead naming people, you say, hey, there's a corollary between the way people are treated and percentages of runaways and suicides and murder and violence. And all of those things are absolutely true. You say, hey, white replacement theory on your show directly leads to some guy in Buffalo or some kids somewhere else getting a gun and going killing people.

These are the bad ideas. This, you don't need to do any of that. These people believed the lie that was peddled by Donald Trump and given wholesale to millions of people by Fox News. they then stormed the Capitol on January 6th and they kill people. Yep. They kill people because of what they believed. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. They killed people because of what they believed and what they believed was told to them, not just by the president. It was told to them by the president's cronies that work on the law. largest news organization in the country. If I was the family of the slain police officers in January 6th,

I would levy a wrongful death suit against Fox News. Yeah. Yeah. To me, and I don't know that that would, but to me, I see a clear line. Yeah. Their negligence caused that. No, no, no.

Not their negligence. Hold on. very clear, before I look, not their negligence. It's not negligence. It would have been negligence if they believed it without doing the due diligence as reporters. They lied on purpose, Rachel. No, I'm saying under a wrongful death,

they're reckless act, they're negligent. That's what I'm saying. Their reckless actions caused that, is what I'm saying. Not negligence in general. Let me just say this. Were you done? I'm sorry. I think I'll say that.

Let me just say this. The outcome of this case, I can't stress the importance of it. Should Fox News not be held responsible in this? If Fox News gets off and it is not found that their actions were defamatory, they are untouchable. They are completely untouchable and this will have huge consequences. Think about this. sit down, especially growing up for us, not necessarily

they get on the phone, but you sit down in whatever medium and you take in information that you believe to be true because that is what journalism is. That is the integrity that's supposed to be affiliated with journalism. Here Fox News, it is coming

out from from Rupert himself, that they lie, that they knew that these statements were false, yet they put it on their airways. through their hosts by bringing on other people to perpetuate these ideas. They put it out there. If they're not found responsible, where does it end?

They are untouchable. If they are allowed to hide under the First Amendment by putting out lies in an intentional way, it's all gone to shit. And they'll be able to do whatever they want without consequence. Here you can draw a clear line to, where the lie was and the direct action of that lie and how it has hurt organizations, people, families, the integrity of journalism, all of it. And if you can't find them responsible, what are we doing?

They have to be found responsible. Here's the problem. Are you going to change the law? You have to change the law. Here's the deal. Many people have said it, and I agree. It's very likely that the Fox News public will not ever hear about what's going on. They get their news exclusively from one place, and Fox isn't talking about it.

And I am not saying that Fox isn't talking about it. Howard Kurtz, who covers the news media for Fox News, brave son of a bitch, said this on television. Some of you have been asking why I'm not covering the Dominion voting machines lawsuit against Fox involving the unproven claims of election fraud in 2020. and it's absolutely a fair question. I believe I should be covering it. It's a major media story given my role here at Fox. But the company has decided that as part of the organization being sued, I can't talk about it or write about it, at least for now.

I strongly disagree with that decision, but as an employee, I have to abide by it. And if that changes, I'll let you know. Wow. So you guys might be asking yourselves a question right now. You listen to this podcast. You're like, man, we know Fox is fucked up. Rachel, we know Fox is fucked up.

We know that Fox is fucked up. We know that this won't change Fox. We know that the only way that this could possibly even make a dent is if Fox loses some real high profile on-air talent and is then forced to reconcile with their audience why that talent is gone. So I'll say this. Or advertisers. That is the thing. All of these networks are essentially. Essentially, advertising hups.

That's how they make their money. You might not think that you're watching Fox News, but you are. I am. Rachel could be. Kalika could be. Brian could be. Because the products, at least some of them, that advertised heavily and advertised heavily with an organization

that helped kill police officers in Washington, in my opinion, you might be using some of those products. If you want any sort of change out of whatever the apparatus at Fox News is, the only thing that the only weapon that you'd have is to boycott, is to identify

and continue to identify those that continue to do business, with Fox News. And that's not just Fox News. That's Fox Nation. That's all of that shit. Okay. Now, this is what I say. It's up to us to help you guys with that. So what we're going to do, me and Donnie and Rachel and Ashley, we're going to put our heads together and keep a list of companies that are doing business with Fox News. Some companies are going to leave, some companies that are going to come back. From time to time, we're just going to talk about them. And hopefully we can make sure that any company that's doing business with Fox, that we don't do business with them here at higher learning.

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Go see it. Creed is great. Good job, Mike. Good job, Jonathan. Good job. Tessa Thompson. Yeah. Yeah. Our interview with Wood right here, check it out. You guys, we're about to go ahead and get into an interview that I'm not even going to try to act like

I'm not a fan. I'm not a big. fan is certain people that are in this business in this industry that have made things and have been the person that they are, you just connect with them. You're just, you're just a fan. You're just, hey, you're happy when you see them on screen. They bring it every single time. And for me, our next guest on Higher Learning is one of those guys.

a career that has spanned so many legendary roles and moments, different iterations. And now, huge movie coming out, probably going to be, we're not saying probably, it's going to be the number one movie at the box office this week, Creed 3, and he is one of the stars of it.

Wood Harris joins us today on higher learning. My brother, how are you? Man, I am fine, man. Thank you for that very gracious intro. I appreciate that. So let's talk about the movie real quick because I got tons of shit I want to ask you about But let's talk about the movie

All right I saw the movie And I saw the movie So it's fantastic It's great It's like right after I got I was seen the movie I hit Mike

I'm like yo bro This was really good What I'm going to be honest with you I had low expectations Just because it's the third movie Of a trilogy But you guys You guys were able to do something

brand new with the characters and almost like started over it's kind of almost like a reboot in a way like an origin story tell us a little bit about that I think that was a bit of an objective for Ryan even with Creed 1

you know I think the long term plan for Creed was for it to have its own like ecosystem and be its own vehicle not necessarily just attached to Rocky and I think with the third edition

Mike came in added certain aspects of his own creative his own creative output and we ended up what we ended up with man which is a very unique great movie John Majors is just awesome

literally I mean but that's how that happened I believe early on because Ryan Coogler is masterful he's very thoughtful and very smart, just really, really smart guy

and his long-term plans often come into fruition. You know what I'm saying? So what you're seeing is something that was cultivated like maybe a decade ago, bro. Like coming into fruition now, you know. So. Really? For you, what was it like being directed by Michael?

Since you've known him for so many years, you knowing when he was a kid. So what was it like, you know, seeing him step into that role and working with him in that way? You know, it's just really interesting. Like, you really have to be, well, if you know Mike, then you just come in supporter. Because you know Mike. You know he's just a down, good person. Like you can't come in bringing egos and trying to act like, you know, you're so special or whatever.

You just want to get down with the program and be supportive. supportive of it. You know, it's his first film. So you want to come in and not, you know, be another chief in the kitchen. A lot of times, it'd be a lot of people with their ideas. And I didn't want to expound a whole lot of things. I just wanted him to have his own space and not worry about me, you know, worry about less. It's very difficult to direct yourself. And I don't know another actor given such a duty. You know, this is an epic film, right? It's not like a, indie thing, and it's the third part. Like, like, you know, it's the third part.

It's very important that it comes out a certain way, right? So I don't know many actors given that much opportunity. So I literally known him since he was 15 or 16, and I just want to be, like, super supportive and be my best. I always want to be my best, so I'm bringing that to him, you know. But I'm like a big brother type. He's like a little bro to me. And my little bro is popping.

Okay. My little bro is popping. Okay. Any animosity between you and him ever because you had him killed? Let's talk about it. Very hard to watch. Very hard to watch. You had them murked out.

We all had to watch it. I was like, God. Damn. Yeah, no, man. No animosity, bro. No animosity. So I'm too gangster for that. I feel you.

I feel you. So you play Little Duke in this. And for people who know the entire Rocky franchise and you know that Duke was Apollo Creed's trainer that then became Rocky's trainer. After Rocky changed his style and after Apollo's death. Really, in a way, your character is kind of, if Sylvester Stallone, is not in the movie, your character is kind of the last link to the legacy brand of this being a Rocky movie because you're the son of Duke and you're the last person that would have known all of these characters. Yeah, all of these characters. What is that like? What is it like to be

the Duke four generation and still have to kind of play on something that's so familiar to the people that know the entire Rocky lore. Because you got to be a little bit different and you got to be like what you are in the movie, which is kind of that steadying presence. Right. You know,

I never really think about the Rocky stuff because I think if I start putting those things in my head or put even the original Big Duke into my thinking, I just don't want to have that kind of traffic in my brain.

you know, so in order to be in like the current moments, I don't really dwell in the past things at all very much, to be honest with you. I just, it's very difficult because there's so much work we have to do that's current and in the now, you know. But that said, I'm the type, I don't want to do a disservice to what already was, you know what I'm saying? So Rocky is for generation people just super important. Sebastian Stallone is a great actor to me. And without him in the film, I'm almost like him in the film, you know?

I'm the Stallone character in a sense. So we knew that moving into it. We talked about that, but we still gotta be fresh, right? Right. So Mike and I are partners in the business, in our boxing gym. We own the gym and we're looking to brand out some new talent. And that's a little different.

You know, we're partners. Okay, so now we execute rather than me being like a mentor or someone executing from an authorizing position, we're like nearly equal in our objectives. You know, so we run this business with the objective of putting out great fighters and in comes John Majors, you know what I'm saying? So, excuse me. that said, I mean, you know, the way Mike and I operate, I mean, there's just a long-term chemistry, you know, so when you have that, you work faster together, you know.

You kind of can think, kind of like you know what the person is thinking in the sense. So, yeah, we have a lot of balance on the set because Mike is very thoughtful and hardworking and talented. it. So there's a lot of balance, you know. It was a difficult task for Mike. I was able to watch it be a difficult task. He couldn't get much sleep. He had to sleep in hyperbaric chamber, you know, to recoup his body from all the working out.

And it was tough. He was doing the Michael Jackson thing? He was doing the Michael Jackson thing, dude. Minus the Pope of all. Get that right. He was in that smooth criminal style, bro. Right. He was, what I'm saying?

He was on that, ah, ha, he? For real. Yeah, Mike, man, Mike is a great person, though, bro. You know, I could go on about Mike, man, because I like to talk about, like, just great people, man. Like, great young man, bro, raised, you know, raised by a solid family, you know, and I tell people, like, he was raised right.

You know what I mean? Like, you could tell in the interview. Like, recently the thing went viral with a girl was trying to be funny or whatever and had been from his high school experience. And, man, he handled that like a champ. If you think about it, let me ask you. Let me see.

Give her eye contact and say, how you like me now? He did that for the most part. He said, how you like me now? He did. I'm only the sexiest man alive. You know, and I happen to be extremely rich and young and thoughtful and smart and ladies love cool Mike, you know what I'm saying?

So it's like, well, I mean, well, let me ask you this. Since you bring that up, big news today, Joe Button, podcaster, said that Mike was corny for the way that he handled the lady on Luriel, shout out of L'Oreal, L'Oreal, on the red carpet. Joe said that Mike was wrong and Mike acted corny that Mike proved that he was corny

by the way he handled Luriel. Hmm. Well, what comes in the play is corny, right? So we know what corny has meant with black people. Like, like, like, like corny is if you, if, if you're in the hood, I grew in the hood, I'm from Chicago, right? Mm-hmm. So, you know, like, people will call you

corny if you sound white to them, which means you might be articulating a certain way, you know what I'm saying? So I ain't grow up like over, I wasn't a super, articulating person, grown up and nothing like that. But I totally remember what corny was. Mike is 36, I believe. So what was corny 20 years ago

was to be good in school, was corny, to, you know, it's corny actually to be your own self. Corny has, as Joe Button's definition to it, we all can pull up and design a definition around a slang term like corny. Okay.

But careful when you throw names out at people, you know, like we do that too much, you know. And I know Joe, Joe Button's, you know, that's kind of his style, you know, that's in tow with where, that's the way he is. You know what I'm saying? So he's brutally honest. That's his opinion. I think Joe is from New Jersey. So he might know stuff about Mike that, you know. And but, but, you know, it's, what's corny?

Right. It's corny to be raised right. You know, like, everybody's so damn cool, you know? Everybody's so cool. Everybody too cool for school now, right? I don't even, like, everybody's so cool, man. Like, nobody's, okay, I'm corny, too. I'm corny, bro.

I know I am, so. If Mike is corny, and Mike Corny, Van, yo, man, we corny. We corny, you know? We're corny, we corny, bro. We corny, we corny, we corny. Like, I'm corny as hell, dog. I can solve the Rubik's Cube. imagine watching your nick top of David Blaine and all that.

I'm super corny, bro. So, okay, so we're corny. Now what? What do that mean? Right. Like, what do you want to fight or something? Yeah. Okay, I'm corny.

And you cold in, bro. What can I say? You're the fridge, man. I'm the oven. You know what I'm saying? Whatever you want me to be. Like, all I know is Mike is highly loved. Yeah.

He liked more than all the people making these comments, right? he's liked more than those people. Hey, yo, being like goes a long way. Like, you know, being like goes around. Now, corny people that ain't black, they don't go through the same persecution, you know, that like, we decide, like, it's okay if I write on my head right here, Ferricon, right?

If I pull a J-electronica and put Ferricon right here, I'm not, what is that? Let's start defining shit then. And y'all want to define everything? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I'm always going to go to bat for my squad. You know what I'm saying?

Like, Mike is on my squad. Like, that's my teammate. I don't be wanting to hear, you know, vitriol. I know it's not vitriol coming from Joe. I know he's just giving his opinion. And, you know, it's a viable opinion. Okay, so let's say he is corny.

Okay, me too, bro. And so it's Van, bro. Yeah. Okay. So we corny, bro. And you want to fight Van? Go fight Van. Don't fight Van.

Don't fight Venn. You fight Ben. Van got hands. You could be corny with hands, man. You can. You could be sexy and corny now. Corny then used to be sexy. So you redefining corny.

All right. All right, cool. So we're just sexy corny, you know, we're sexy corny niggas in the back or whatever. What you want me to say? Yeah.

Yeah. You all right, Joe. I like that you just separating the BS versus what the person really is, who they really are. I love that. And I, And what I also love is you're at the point of your career

where younger talent looks up to you. They like you, they look up to you and what you've done because you've had such an extensive career. And I'm wondering for you, what is that like? Because they're putting you on the levels with like, you've shared the screen with some amazing actors, your amazing actor yourself. They're putting you on that level two and rightfully.

So what is that like? And do you feel a level of responsibility to maybe advise or mentor some of this younger talent as they're looking up to you? firstly it's pretty awesome to have a long-term entertainment career you know it's a lot of people you don't see you know and you still see what Harris brand new and and you will always kind of see me you know what I'm saying after a while you get it right but um when the younger talent comes like I did BMF work with little Meach and all these other

younger cats and John Majors and and I love those cats to be honest with you, they're like me. You dig? Like, they're more like me than say a Denzel. Like a John Majors is more like Wood Harris than Denzel.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I love that. You dig? Because when I was coming up Mad Young, like the older generation, like they're very competitive and I much respect to it because, you know, my favorites are those guys. Denzel, Larry Fishburn.

Sydney Portier, black and white movie stars and stuff like I'm inspired by that, right? So this is not to throw anybody under the bus but they have a different way of being with the young talent like myself coming into the game, right?

So, you know, it's competitive, you know, so, you know. Why? Let me just, let me just, I mean, look, we, let me look at it with the young, you know? I feel, I feel you. Why has that changed? Because I've heard that, not

just from Wood Harris. I've heard that before. It's like, I, you know, I talked to Tay and tell me, well, back in the day, it really wasn't this situation to where it was like, kumbaya in Black Hollywood. He's like, we were up for all the same things. He's like, now it's different than it was even when he was coming in.

And he told me that some time ago. What do you feel like has changed to where you guys don't feel that way anymore? Well, partly I believe the, advent of all the streaming. There's so many places to work. If you think about it, for Wood Harris to go pro in movies, he had to get a movie, bro.

Like, now you can go viral. You can, there's so many ways to learn. I went to school. I went to NYU. And, you know, I had to go, I felt like I needed to learn, like I needed to study. I just want to be what I feel like I'm evolving into,

which is a much more respected a higher talent in a sense. So the younger cats, I just love seeing it, bro. I think it's changed because there's more opportunities. Plus, like Tay and me and others like me and Tay. We went through it, and in a sense, I'm not doing what they did.

I will never do the type of shit that was done to me, right? I've had scenes removed before by super dope actors, bro. I'm talking about the world. class actors who might not feel like, like, who could look at you and be like, I don't want this, this dude is a really good actor. It's like getting in the court with somebody who, you know, that's a really good dude over there.

Like, he might, he might, like, get too much attention and stuff. Like, so I understand that. I just would never do that, you know. And I don't think my generation who are just under that, sort of, just under that generation of actors, I don't, some of us might be that way, but we still have a lot of opportunities. You know, it's not just a movie one-off

or get a TV show here and there. We have a lot of opportunities. We also go after producing more. We go out to be directors more. If you're not cool with young talent and young producers and writers, how could you do that? You're right, yeah.

We kind of do more. You know, we, you know, we set out to do more even when we fail at, right? The older generation, And I think they were, you know, connected with their agents and managers and sort of like waiting for the next opportunity. And bro, when I'm in between movies and TV and stuff, I'm cultivating other things. Like, you just have to. And I think they did a lot less of that.

So it made them a little more competitive and maybe less down with the young people trying to come up. You know, so I'm super cool with the young coming up. I feel like I want to be responsible for them being dope. You know, I want them to say if they get an Oscar, yo, man, my favorite is this dude, or even if they just tell me, you know, John Majes, for instance, John Majors looked up the teachers I studied under and studied under them. Let me tell you some. John Major is amazing for that, bro.

Who goes looking for your teacher? My teacher. And the whole time we was shooting a thing, he would come over in my corner. Show him we shoot Creed, he'd come over in this corner. He'll still be in character, but he'd be like, but he'd be talking to wood. It'd be him talking to wood. But, and he would be like, you know, I gotta kill the,

like he wants to kill the talent ahead of him. Like, you know, I'm saying. Which, I'm cool with that. Cool with that. It just makes you go really far, right? Right. Because really the world, I feel like the best, man, you know? So, you know how that is.

Like, you feel like the best, You just kind of like, well, bring it. Bring it. Let's do it. Bring it. Yeah. Like, be better than me. Right.

Be better than me, bro. Be, be awesome as hell. I tell my daughter and my son, my daughter who's going to act, right? You got to pull a Merrill Street, yo. You got to be undeniable in this entertainment world, especially as a black person, right? If you're deniable at all, they start pushing you away. Pure. So I hold on to my relationship with the young.

or with the younger actors. And it also keeps you young, you know. Like, I'm not going to be out here fighting against Little Meach. Right. He's dope. He's dope. He's dope. BMF is dope. Those young actors, the guy playing Lamar is dope.

These actors are amazing. So let's give them some, let's get them some love, bro. Like, just give them they love me. And they love me. Like I saw the guy, yeah, yeah. I forget his last name. I'm messing up his name. I do my hand.

right, I'll do my team. Yeah, yeah, I love that dude, bro. Fantastic. Awesome. He's fantastic, bro. Him and John and Mike are around the same age. Actually, I don't know Yahaya's age, but I'm assuming. They're around, I mean, he's a little younger than them, I think.

But they're all in the same. Like early 30s? Early 30. Yeah, they're all in the same kind of deal. That dude is awesome. I saw him at the premiere on Monday. I didn't say a word to him. And that's another thing to answer your question.

She said about mentoring. I'm really not like that type of, I will, right? But I don't make assumptions. So Little Meach came to me and asked me something, so I'll say something, right? But if you don't ask me, I'm not going to invite myself to be a mentor. Because I don't ask presumptuous. So I just don't invite myself. So whenever it has happened, it's just been the young talent,

you've been coming on your big bro or whatever, you know, and ask me this or that about acting. And I do have a wealth of information. Like I feel like I have a wealth of unique information. But I only imparted when I'm, you know, asking you shall receive type thing. I'm never going to knock on a door and say, oh, my man, even if I see you doing stuff that I can come and correct, you know,

I don't feel comfortable doing that. Because to me, I don't like doing that kind of stuff. Right. You mentioned BMF. You and your brother both have played on BMF. When are we going to see y'all share the screen together being a movie? I don't know when you're going to see that. You know what I'm saying?

I'm still happy we did what we did. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. It's so unusual for you, you know, me and my brother. When I was doing that work on BMF, I was working with my brother, my older brother, you know, and I was just kind of, like I can't believe we're doing this scene together. And then I started hearing the similar tones.

I was like, oh shit, we sound tonally, we're very similar. So I was in the middle of the scenes, I was like, I got to change my tone in this mind. So I still was on like artist's imagination mode. You know, so I was just kind of, I didn't want my tone to be just like my brothers. You know what I'm saying? So that's what working with him was surreal. And then I felt the obstacle of, you know, let me make some more differences. happening between us because, you know, I know my mom was like, from everybody knows we sound

very similar unless I, um, introduce some other tones to my voice. So that's kind of where I was working my brother. I worked with him before on another TV show called, uh, Justify. And, um, and, uh, and that, that's the two experiences. And he and I are producing things and we'll produce together something we work on next, hopefully. Okay. So I got to, I got to ask you this, because I got a couple questions and then you know I got to do at least one wire thing. Everybody knows what's going to happen here. So you are

a veteran of the sports movie. Okay? Yeah. Above the rim, sports and the streets. Yeah. Remember the Titans. Sports. History.

Sports. History. Creed. Creed. You know what I mean? Shout out to my homie, Boaz Jacin. Like, Creed. You worked with some actors who are really good athletes,

Dwayne Martin. You know what I mean? Mike McGee Jordan. Like, who is the single best athlete actor that you have ever worked with? Single best athlete actor I've ever worked with. That's a good one, bro, because people be having talent, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Because I know you're a Hooper. So I know the best they ever worked with. I'm the best day ever because I ball out you know what I'm saying but who's the best that I work with

you know one of the I mean Mike is one of the best okay Mike and who that's why how corny are you bro if you don't go give 40 points on the basketball court

you're not corny what is funny shit coming from Mike and hoop and Mike can fight Mike can give you 30 a game can Joe do? What could Joe do? I'm trying to I'm not trying to

I fuck with Joe Button you know what I'm just saying no can he who or is he just cool because he cool you know what I'm saying but anyway

um let me think um I'll tell you one of the better people who could really it was really like Brian McKnight can who

oh my God um not a actor but Brian was yeah yeah man yeah no bullshit like 6 6 6 and shit Brion like 6 6 6 6

And rank or who? No. When I first got out to L.A. Ran across Brim and Night out there. I had heard before. But I'm not talking about just like, I'm not talking about like he's good for, no,

I'm talking about, no. I'm talking about a big, strong, silky guard. Like he could, like, yeah,

but like it's like, I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah. Like, big, like he can really play. He can really play.

I did not know. Yeah, he could really play. Yeah, he could really play. And it's signing all that. Could Tupac who? No. Tupac was not a good basketball player. Tupac wouldn't even touch a ball.

Really? That's corny. Shut. Stop what the corny thing. Hey, you got me started, Ben. I guess Puck was corny, man, because he couldn't even touch a ball. What is thing? Did you ever, did you ever rap with Tupac?

I know you guys had a cyphine. I did. Yeah, yeah, I did. I did. I had fun rapping with Tupac. You mean rap like talk or actually MCing? I'm talking about, I know you got your start as a, you was a rapper before. Like, did you ever ever get busy. I know, actually, I know what you did. You talked about it before. What was that like rapping with pop? I mean, at the time, you know, when I think back now, it's like legendary and all that because it was Tupac. But at the time, you know, I'm competitive too. Like, I just, I just

kind of like, I just need to be dope. You know, I just I just want to be dope in front of another rapper. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm friends with most deaf. I'm friends with a lot of emcees. And they know me as, like, they know I'm emcee talented in that way. But at the time with Tupac, I just remember feeling like we were in a cypher.

Big, because this was the 90s in New York. They were still doing cyphers outside. So it was a cypher around where we were, where we were filming. So some other cats was in the cypher. So all of a sudden, Pop was in the cyphers. So I got in the cypher. And for those who don't know what a cipher is, because I don't even know if they talk like that number.

But basically, it's cypher like a circle of emcees, you know what I'm saying? Spitting, yeah. Unsigned people. And it's just an a cappella way of letting you know that you like you rhyme or whatever. So that was what that was like. It wasn't really no big deal like that. We just emcee it up together in a cipher in Europe, which was kind of dope if you think about it. That's amazing.

The fuck. Yeah. You do do music. You have new music that you're working on? I do have new music. I have a lot of stuff going on that this year is going to be real fun to see how it does. You know, with music, I'm just, I'm in my imagination. So to me, you know, hip hop, for instance, can be like the blues.

And meaning you see in the talent age with the art form and the sense, so, you know, Jay-Z can still drop an album unlike a pop star can. You know, M&M, they're all in their 40s and 50s, and they still are prominent, which is kind of like, it's making it like the blues. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a hybrid of the blues because blues musicians are young and old, you know, you could come in and be young and turn to BB King and still and still have fans, you know. So luckily for the art form of hip hop, because the young shit, I mean, I ain't crazy about a lot of the news. stuff, you know, because it's just too, it's too negative for me. I was going to ask you that. Being from Chicago, what's your opinion of drill

music? It's dark, bro. It's too dark for the kid. You heard? Like, that shit too dark for me. Hey, listen, you can always find something you like in these songs. That's the danger of it. Like, oh, I like the beat or the way to do flowing. I don't even know what he's saying, but the flow is cool and the rhythm will get you, right?

But that negativity is so powerful, man. I can't really fuck with it. I try hard too because I just can't get down with it, man. They're talking about killing everybody. They're skiing the shit out of grandma, bro. Ain't nobody in the hood no more. When I was, it wasn't the hood growing up.

It still was a neighborhood. I mean, it was a bad neighborhood, but then it just became the hood. Because the neighbors don't really correspond at all. So it's not a neighborhood. It's just a hood for the people, right? Why glorify that so much? I get it. We're going to have some of that.

But why is it like a dominant theme? The theme of it is dominant. And I don't like that shit, bro. I can't, you know, there's too much killing in the music. And who are they talking about killing? Us? It's all us against us and the music too much. Like, I can't fuck with that.

And then it's a lot more female MCs, right? Okay, so Lauren Hill, Eve, whoever, Missy Elliott, Queen Latifah, MC Light. You can go all the way back and start talking about all kinds of female. Foxy Brown. Look, okay. But now it's like drugs, holes, killing, take your man, fuck on, do this and that, blah, blah, blah.

Man, it ain't no UNIT Y popping. I'll tell you that much. And it ain't no Lauren Hill popping in the female MCs. And it's a lot of them now. Before, it was a man's sport. Now it's more equal opportunity. But I hate the subject matters. Like, so for me, it keeps me doing it.

Because I can't listen to this. I'd rather listen to myself. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't listen to this shit, bro. It's too hardcore for me. Like, I guess, I don't know. I will tell you, it is a wave of young female MCs that's coming up that I really fuck with. You got the flow millies.

You got the RICO nassies. You got the rhapsodies, of course. But I think, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think whenever hip hop gets one note, whenever everybody's doing the same thing, it just gets kind of boring, bro. Like, I was telling, right,

I've been criticized for what I've said about drill music out of here. At some point, when they talk about really kidnapping people and they really did the shit, I'm like, I can't, it's hard for me. I'm an old nigga, I'm sorry. It's hard for me. It's hard for me.

It's hard for me. So I feel you. Rachel, what you got? Okay, here's my last question, because I'm always curious to know this. You've had so many roles. Is there a role that you turn down that you wish you hadn't?

A role I turn down and I wish I hadn't. See, a lot of times, you know, if I don't get, if I turn something down, I almost won't even engage with it after that. I won't regret it too much because, and also I don't really watch myself all that. I'm one of those guys. I watch sports.

I watch documentary stuff in sports. And I watch, if someone said, you got to watch this, then I'll go watch it. But I'm not one of those, you know, let me see what's on TV or whatever. Let me watch a movie right now. I don't watch a lot of movies. And so, you know, I don't really have something I can say.

Now, there's things that I didn't do, like this movie Fallin with Denzel, end up with Gabriel Cassius, end up doing that role. That's a role I wish I would have did that I didn't do. But I don't really regret it because, you know, I ended up working with Denzel later anyway. You know what I'm saying? So the best man, I wish I had an opportunity.

Well, I would have been a Terrence Howard role, but Terrence is perfect in that. I know Malcolm Lee. I went to school with Malcolm Lee, right? So when the script of the best man was being developed, it was when he was in college still. So I was privy to it early, early on. and it had something to do with the influence

of the Terrence Howard character. But Terrence killed that, right? Yeah, it's great. I can't be mad. Like, yeah, so I don't regret not doing stuff that somebody else does and they did it really well, you know. So I don't know, I don't really don't have a whole lot of that.

Something you said, I'm curious about, do you not watch your own movies? I don't really watch me. I've seen it premieres, you know what I'm saying? But after that, yeah, not too much. Like, I'm not going to watch it, you know, a bunch of times. And see it at the premiere. And plus, you got to understand, we do, like, ADR work, you know,

so that's audio digital recording. So we're going in there and I see so much of it, you know, so, yeah, I probably won't see it, you know, see it for a while. Yeah. So I don't have another question. I got, I'm a pitch you on something real quick. Okay, okay. Okay.

This is the pitch. This is the movie. Okay. It's called Avon's home, colon, a wire story. It's different, though. Okay, I love it. Okay, okay, okay. So, Avon's getting out.

He had some time tacked on. He's coming back to the streets of Baltimore after years and years and years. I love it. Everything is shriveled up. He's starting new. He's trying to turn over a new leaf. He has to move in with Brianna. and he has to also live with Dee's son,

who is now thugging on the streets of West Baltimore. He's out there getting it and doing it, you get like a cold young actor, a homie from Belair, Leon, a little Leon from Snowfall, you get a cold young actor, 20, what would he be? be like 20, 21, 22, something like that.

He's just out there where he's seasoned and he's starting to have a couple corners to himself. Avon's parole officer. I'm saying. You got to put a lot. Wait a minute. This is real. Okay, keep going.

Keep going. Oh, I'm not fucking around. All right. No, this is a good idea. Keep going. No. Avon's parole officer is bubbles. Who sits

Listen, listen, listen, we could change it. Now you got me like we bubble head, you got me the bubble head shit right. We could change that. We could change that. What I want to do though. So this is the point of the movie. The point of the movie is number one and I say this all the time.

We never got the end of Avon's story. We got a conversation between Avon and and Marlow, right, that ended up, that ended up showing us that Avon's coming out of jail. There is still story left to me for the most beloved character

in the history of that show, which is Avon Barksdale. But what would be fucking fly is if you took everything that we knew about Avon and turned it on his head, Avon was untouchable, he was incredibly sure of himself.

Even being in the jail, he was unflappable. put him in a situation where he kind of got to get his shit back a little bit where he's living with his sister. I like that. Put him in a situation where he living with his sister now. They got beef because of the DiAngelo thing.

Then he got DeAngelo's sonnest there, who all grown up, who's kind of like Avon is at this point going through the same shit. He's hoping his dad comes home and gives him game he's looking forward to his dad. He's looking forward to his uncle coming home to give him game on how he could get

ahead in the streets. But Avon kind of don't want to do that. But he got to kind of tell him a couple of little things in order, I'm telling him. Save his life. To save his life. Because he's in a couple of, he gets in a couple of situations and Avon, who still got,

the name still ring out, still got a little juice. You can check back in on everybody. I'm telling you. You can check back in on throughout the movie, all the characters that are left, you could kind of check back in the, we don't have to have the parole officer

B bubbles, whatever, that was stupid. Like, you can check back in on everyone. I'm telling you, bro. I'm telling you. That's- No, Ben, you're real talk. You're on to something. Because if you think about it,

they do make these movies out of these former HBO series. They do it all the time. Not only with the HBO series, they did it with HBO series. They did it with Breaking Bad. Why wouldn't they do it with the wire when there's still a character out there

the most important character. Avon could be struggling with Stringer's death. We could bring in uh, Eager's in a couple of flashback scenes. Y'all niggas still look young. I'm serious. I like that.

No, real talk though, Van. I thought you was halfway bullshit, but nah. That's real good ideas. No, for real, bro. Bro. Yeah, David Simon, um, that's the good ideas, bro. I'm gonna have to, uh,

bro that's a great idea for real shout out to my homies Trey Cheney like the whole I'm cool with all the wires with the whole wire the whole team right the whole click shout out Mac Wiles all of them

you could in in a way you don't have to spend a lot of time you could check up on all of them a little bit just a little bit that'll be so crazy that's an awesome ass thing and they all doing different shit now they're all doing different They're all grown up now.

Some of them might have been gone. I mean, obviously some characters died, whatever, whatever. You could check in on all of them just a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Fucking, um, Carve might be the chief of chief of police by now. Absolutely. You know what I mean? Carve might be the chief.

That's a great idea, though. Tell me, I've even thought about it before because I was like, oh, man, how could they approach the wire and it makes sense? like to have it re-invigorated. And, um, you still, you still got, my point is,

you still got Avon. And it's crazy because most shows, last thing I'll say, most, most shows that are like that, they get, Walter White dies. Like Tony Soprano,

we don't know what happened, but unfortunately we lost James Gandalfini. So rest of peace of James Gendifini. So, you know, most shows that that type of protagonist, that character, they end his story in some way.

Avon's story never ended. Bro, Marlowe's still out there. That's true. There ain't no reason not to do that, bro. I don't think so. That's great. That's great. Talk to, I don't think there's no reason not to do it.

I'm going to put it out there. Put it out there. Put it out there. Yeah, that's great. That's great, great, great, great, great. Well done, my friend. I'm going to have them call you up. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, have them call me. My couple, we want to ask you. Yeah, like, like, like, that's great. Like, have them call me. You guys, that was legitimately, one of my favorite actors in the world. He stars in Creed 3. Wood Harris, Creed 3 opens today.

You guys can go see it. Let's get them numbers way, way up there. The movie has a 90% rain on Rotten Tomatoes. I have seen it. It is a great movie. Bro, we have to have you back. We have to have you back whenever you got some time. Yeah, bro.

You know what? Got some couple things coming up and I'm coming back. shooting stars with LeBron, another movie, sports movie type thing. It's a very, very, very great movie. Then I have another project, Lady in the Lake with Natalie Portman. Oh, wow. I got to get back on here. Yeah, man.

Yeah, come back. For sure. I'm going to get busy on that treatment. I'm going to email you. Let's make that happen. I love that for real, bro. No kidding. All right, right.

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Football. Remember the Titans we talked about it. Speaking of football, it's not so great news out of Georgia. Jalen Carter, who is the number one overall prospect in this year's NFL draft. And that does not mean he's going to go number one. Right. because they're probably going to draft quarterback number one. But he, according to Mel Kuyper and others,

is the single best player in this entire draft. He is a terror. I mean, I don't know the football field in light of what's going on right now. Maybe that's not the right word to use. But I watch SEC football. I watched what he did to LSU. He is the real deal. A, prototypical.

tackle that you want to suffocate the run and create enough disruption to where guys on the end are able to get to quarterbacks. He's eating up those double teams. He's getting guys off the line. And he's going to get to the quarterback a couple of times himself. His career is in a lot of peril right now.

Two members of the Georgia family, Chandler LaCroy and Devin Willock were killed six days after the national championship game in a car accident. And when the news came out, it was just a gut punch to the entire college football community. One of them, I believe, was a player. And the other of them, I believe, was a recruiting staffer. Right. So we're talking about really young people, which is always sad.

Yeah. And in terms of this, after the team having one in their second consecutive national championship, it'd been on top of the world, which is a gut punch to a lot of people, not just the Georgia family, but anybody who cares about people, anybody who watches the SEC football. Well, it appears now

that there was a little bit more to the story. Jalen Carter, the aforementioned defensive tackle that we just talked about, his future, has been booked on misdemeanor charges of reckless driving and racing. He turned himself in to the Athens-Clark County Police Department and 1133 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday, posted Bond a little bit later. They have been in there, a restaurant warrant issued a little bit before that,

and now there are questions. He, Jalen Carter, returned to the NFL Combine, which is going on right now. Returned to the NFL Combine. And he's going to go through the measurements. he's going to go through the interviews. And it looks like he's going to attempt to tell his side of the story, not only to NFL staff, but to society at large. Police initially thought that this crash was a single car accident.

It was just caused by speeding. Now they are saying that they were racing. There's a lot of talk out of joy. Georgia about what could be going on here. There's a lot of talk about what some people's blood alcohol. There's some people that believe that there was drinking involved. Have you heard that? Well, no.

Well, Chandler, I believe they did test her blood alcohol and she was intoxicated. And she was driving. It's also my understanding that there were two other people in that car who suffered injuries, but they weren't fatal. Don't correct me if I'm wrong on that. So there were people who were there to tell the story outside of Chaylin. So, Chandler LeCroy, who had blood alcohol concentration of 1.197. That's more than double the legal limit.

This is what was said. The evidence demonstrated that both vehicles switched between lanes, drove in the center turn lane, drove in opposite lanes of travel, overtook over motorists, and drove at high rates of speed in an apparent attempt to out distance each other.

Evidence indicated that shortly before the crash, the expedition, which is one of the cars, was traveling at about 104 miles per hour. That is the car that held to two people, two kids that died. Carter was driving a

2021 Jeep Cherokee track haul with a Hellcat V8 motor, a vehicle that he received as part of an NIL deal with an Ohio luxury car dealership. I do not want you guys to forget that aspect of this case. The NIA? I tell you why. There are opponents of NIL out there. opponents of NIL opponents of people who don't,

of players being able to get paid for their name, image and likenesses. And one of the clear narratives, crystal clear narratives that they use, is that these kids can't handle all of this money. That's. Is that they're too young and that because of, of the influx of cash that they're going to make stupid,

dumb mistakes like gambling, like buying dumb shit, or like crashing, souped up cars that they might get from dealerships. I understand that argument. I don't feel like, I feel like that's not the place to apply it here because they were reckless driving. Could have been driving any kind of car. And they clearly, there was alcohol involved at least in one situation that we know. We don't know about the rest.

And that is because Jaylon left the scene and then told the police a different story. He first said that he had heard the crash from a nearby apartment complex, but then later told them that he had been driving as well in this situation. I'm not sure if he said they were racist or not, but he definitely said he was there driving. I don't think that that is fair to blame NIL or you weren't blaming, but to mention NIL in regards to this case because they were out driving. I don't think that has anything to do with the type of car that was received or the fact that he got a car in NIL. deal. That NIL deal didn't make him decide to reckless drive, allegedly, allegedly. It didn't put, you know, we don't know if he was drinking or not, but it didn't put alcohol in his hand possibly, allegedly we don't know either. So I'm just saying, like, I don't think

it's fair to use that in this situation. I think there's a direct line that you can draw to NIL and to the tragedy that happened a few days after the national championship with this crash. these charges are misdemeanors. Are they? Reckless driving and racing on, yeah, highways and streets, yeah. So worst case scenario, even if he's found guilty on both charges, that's not going to be a huge deal, is it? I have no idea what the time is that's put on these charges or if it's just money or, you know,

I don't think it's a misdemeanor. you know, he could, I don't think it's that, I'm not going to say the charge isn't serious and just saying I don't think it has serious time. It's a smearer. If he lied to the cops and it seems as if some people involved here weren't incredibly forthright with the cops, is there a possible obstruction case

that you could levy? Could be. It depends what his involvement really was. He, you know, he's put out a statement saying that the truth is going to come out. You know, we don't know, but we do know. there were other people there that were injured that can speak to it.

So, you know, it's interesting, it'll be interesting to hear what comes out of this. Obviously, this is a tragedy and whether he was involved in the way that people are assuming or not, he lost friends. This is something that's going to, that he's going to have to live with. A quick decision ended up

in a two people losing their lives. It's a loss all around. But it is interesting. also to talk about because the combine is starting and he was supposed to work out. He's not, but despite all this happening, he's still doing interviews. Teams still considering him.

He could still be drafted. No, he will still be drafted. And he will still be drafted. And he will still be drafted. Maybe not, maybe not. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. If this is a misdemeanor charge, if these are misdemeanor charges, if this is not a felony,

if he doesn't have a negligent homicide, manslaughter, slaughter, vehicular homicide, whatever, if there's no felony of, I personally don't believe that this will affect his draft stock at all if these are two misdemeanor charges. I believe you. And listen, oh, go ahead. We shouldn't jump to conclusions either.

We really don't know what happened. And he's saying that what we're assuming is not the case, and so we just have to let it play out. But, you know, meanwhile, during interviews. While this is going on, John, John Moran,

look, John Moran is accused of repeatedly punching a teenage boy in his head and threatening him with the gun. This happened four days after another incident

where Morant allegedly threatened the head of a security guard, threatened the head of security at a Memphis mall. Both allegations are emerging about a month after. I don't know if you guys remember,

but John Morant was allegedly riding around with some friends, and they pointed a red pointer at the Pacer Staffers, Red Laser. The 17-year-old boy reportedly told police that John Morant, who's 23, punched him 12 or 13 times during the pickup basketball game at John's house. He claimed that Morant and a friend hit him so hard that it left a large knot on his hair. which police observed himself. We're getting to this point

where it's hard to know what to believe about John. John says that he was acting in self-defense and he swung first, but he thought that the boy was the aggressor because he threw a ball at John's head. Now look, if that happened, if you throw the basketball at me

and then you get near me, I'm a swing on you. 10 out 10. 12 to 13 times? Because that's what the victim is a legend. Well, I mean, once I'm swinging, once I'm swinging, I'm swinging. I'm assuming that he was swinging too, or maybe he wasn't. If you don't swing back, I'm like, out, oh, get you right and then get you off me. But if you throw the basketball at my head, that's a punch in my world.

I agree. You said a punch. Look, local prosecutors reportedly reviewed the case and declined to file charges. Shelby County District Attorney, spokesperson, they have a lot of other more important problems to deal with right now said that they decide there wasn't enough evidence to proceed with the case.

Now you have this, he threatened to head's security, he did this. We're getting to a point with John Morant and I don't know if we're there yet, but we're getting to a point with John Morant where it might be OG status. time. It might be time for somebody to yank his little ass up and let him know what's going on.

Because even if this issue is overblown, John Moran is far too young and has far too bright of a future to want to opt into the nigger shit. I got, I got news for you kids out there. The nigger shit don't work out. I know y'all I know y'all like it they tell y'all they say hey

what are we doing today some nigger shit and y'all go fun I want to do niggas shit too but y'all don't pay attention to what happens to the niggers that do nigger shit

it's like don't we look at the fun part of it All right? Y'all only look at, hey, we spin the block. Hey, hey, ops. Could it all still be? What? Are you done with your haze?

No, I'm just saying. They're like, hey, ops, spin the block. Ooh, ooh, chopper. Ooh, ooh, chopper, ooh, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I got the heckler for you. Y'all don't pay attention to what happens. Like, job. Love you.

Love watching you. John. Look at what's going on in Atlanta. And I get that that was very serious, real street beef that was happening. And it's different than some knucklehead basketball player that's dipping his toes into the street for fun. Could it also be that a person that's like John and whosoever rolling in his crew believes that they're untouchable? When you're young, there's already that feeling of feeling invincible. and like you got all the time in the world

and you can do anything. Now you couples out with several million and being a public figure and the best player on your team arguably what I don't know a top 10 whatever player in the NBA right now. They feel they can't see. I'm not an argument against you.

I'm just saying they can't see the other side of it because there is this feeling of I'm invincible. That won't happen to me. I got too much. I got too much money. I got too many people around me. It's just not going to happen. I'm not saying, I just feel like

that's how they roll. I just got one piece of advice for Chah. Jah, come to the corny side, bro. I'm serious, man. Come to the corny side. I got all of y'all, man, please come to the corny side.

We don't got to worry about snitching. We don't got to worry about ops. We don't got to worry about spinning the block. We don't got to worry about Rico. We don't got to worry about none of that. Come to the corny side. We just be chilling.

We play Madden. You know what I mean? We go outside. I have a burn a doodle. I walk him down the street. I say hi to my neighbors. I leave a house. No Glock in the tuck.

No Glock. I leave the house without a Glock. No Glock in the tuck. I'm not, look, I come from a place where motherfuckers would have the Glock. But I'm not going to get money and then have the Glock. Now, come to the corny side. I'm telling you, it's okay. It's okay to leave your house without looking out the blinds and seeing who out there.

You know, police roll up on me. What are you doing? Get out of my face. Do you know why? No warrants. John, come to the corny side. I promise you. The water is cleaner.

All right. We got to go quick. Mail back. Let's go. Let's do mailback. Mailback time. Time to read your letters. And then we'll reply to them.

Oh. It's mailbag time. Write us with your queries and we'll chime in. All right. First up is a question from Kyle Foshae on Instagram. Kyle asked, what flavor of cheesecake did Ben order at Ruth's Christmas? No, enough. No.

If people were in your DMs about Scott Adams, they were in my DMs about the disrespect of the cheesecake. which I explained, okay? Maybe as a person who's not a lover of food, I don't always respect food in the best way. I understand that. But we got to let the cheesecake down. Go ahead and answer the question.

It was, it was, it's just, they only got one type of cheesecake. They got the cheesecake on the gram cracker crust, and let me tell you, it's busing. It's busing. And you know what? I even thought more about the lamb chop situation, at least I didn't let the lamb chops go to waste.

Yeah, but you ate them. You ate them. What if I was waiting for them? It didn't matter that you refrigerated them because you ate them. They were never mind. So it was up to you to do what you wanted to do with it. You ate them. The cheesecake, once you went home to the apple solos, it was not yours anymore.

It was ours. And what did we do with it? We let it go to waste. Mm-mm-mm-mm. Mm-mm. All right. Next one. is from Arundel Gromboi on Reddit.

I'm going to shorten this one because we're short on time. What is one question you would ask one of your favorite black icons in heaven? You know, I don't know, man. You know, it's like, y'all come through. It's like, I probably, like, well, I don't know. I really don't know. I'm not, I'm going to be real with you. Shout out to this question.

I'm not going to want to talk about this shit. In heaven? heaven? If we got to talk about this in heaven, there are, wait, wait, wait, what if you're both not in heaven? What if you have like a direct line to heaven right now? Like, you're still alive. We're here. Yes. And we're here. Now it changes. Okay. I got to talk to Michael.

And I just got to ask him. I got to ask him so I can continue to defend him down here. I need him to talk to me. No, you can't. Hold on for a second. First of all, like, you go, so, so Michael's in heaven, and you go ask Michael,

you go to an interview with Michael. They got to tell truth. They got to tell them, whatever they say is, this is the new world's face, whatever they say, that's it. They're in heaven,

okay? So it is, you've got to take it for what it is. It's not like a Fox News situation. Yeah. I'm asking. I want to be able to defend Michael. I would ask Marvin Gaye,

like, what does he do on Father's Day in heaven? Is it like, can you celebrate it? or are you past that? You know? And you thought my question is that? See, this is it a non-serious question

and y'all have told some very serious questions. I think that's a fair question. If you're Marvin Gay and you're in heaven, like what do you do on Father's Day? Is it all gravy? There is no Father's Day in heaven. Sure there is. Why wouldn't there be?

Did you think they don't celebrate fathers in heaven? I'm sure they do. I'm sure they have stuff. They know what's going. on. It's not like we lost my consciousness. I think because of the very question you just asked, it could be a touchy subject. And heaven is, we're going to assume, you know, is the happy thing. I wonder if they're cool now.

Because I feel like that was just a bad day to things, whatever. Um, okay. Bad day. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Last one. All right.

Last one. Designer Belt on Reddit asks, if each finger you cut off would give your dogs a guaranteed five additional years of life. How many fingers would you give up? Two. Without hesitation. Yep. On each hand or just two fingers?

I would take the I can't remember but there's one There's one finger on each hand That you will be straight without I think it's this one I think either I would do that Or I would do maybe I would want

Nah I think I need my right hand So I'm gonna do I'm gonna do Hey you never know what's gonna happen I think I might do Pinky Ring left hand because I can't really finish with this hand anyway

not like I can't like I should be able to I can finish a little bit with it but if that if that bottom 10 years no question yeah no question

I could do I could do too same on each side I don't know if it's the pinky but maybe it's the pointer I can do it I could do it no question no question

no question whatsoever we love we love love our kids no question, whatever. Yeah, no question. Is that it? There is an extra one. Okay, we can do it.

Athena Z-17 on Instagram asks, if you could be any aquatic creature, which would you want to be? Now, you know these animals are tough for me. Dolphin. Oh. Either a dolphin or an orca. But probably dolphin.

I was lean towards whale. as well. Yeah. Well, it's just so, it would be cool to be a well, but I would be a well, some type of well. All right.

That's it. We're out. I don't have an unexpected ally of the week. Everybody was on the fuck shit this week. Oh. Mine is Rupert Murdoch. Makes all the sense in the world. Rupert Murdoch had to be honest in his deposition,

but I'm not saying that he was a willing ally, but the fact that he basically, exposed the lie machine that his organization is and did it very cavalierly and was even willing to throw people under the bus that's what I was going to say it said take them to

take them too take them to that that's the best part he said fuck all y'all you all okay that one is hard to talk can't top it but we'll add to it Brian Cranston if you didn't see him he was on CNN on Chris Wallace's show where he was breaking down talking about

maga and racism and he did it in like a minute in just the best way and you know we already love brian cranson but just to hear him uh you know talking this way makes us love him even more so we did it we both had unexpected allies of the week oh and they were white they were white whatever whatever fuck you guys tell you think caps off but you now stop learning i'm van layton jr i am rachel lindsay and lindsay everybody have a corny day