Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Aaron Rodgers Lied and Had Help Doing It, Plus the CRT Bogeyman

Episode Date: November 5, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to Aaron Rodgers testing positive for COVID-19, and the difference between vaccination and immunization (16:40). Then, fear of critical race theory fuels Republican victory in Virginia (42:52), the NFL combine gets compared to slavery (56:18), and the jury selection in the Ahmaud Arbery case has people scratching their heads (1:07:47).  Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. Is I the Mac man, Van Lathen, Jr.? Okay, explain that. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Why are you the Mac man now? Because I got a new computer.

I got a Mac. Did you have a PC before? I had a PC. I've always been a PC guy. This is actually a big decision, right? When you make the leap from PC to Mac, there's usually a big reason behind it. Why? Why?

Calico's like it's time for you to get a Mac. Yeah, that's what. My girl. It's like it is, it's, I was going to replace the battery in my old one. It's like get a whole new computer. And, but I will, I still will replace the battery in my old computer though. For why? Because sentimental value.

All right. You know, I've been through lots of laptops. I went through a streak of getting a laptop stolen out of the car. I mean, why would you leave your laptop in the car? And this is the way I look at it, right? Mm-hmm. God was trying to tell me not to leave my laptop in the car. I kept thinking, hey, leaving your laptop in the car is fine.

And every time I would leave it in the car, God would be like, no, it's not fine. You're stupid. I would think that you'd get that message after the first time, But go ahead. Well, the first time they stole the laptop, it was TMZs. And so I didn't really care. Right. You didn't.

You didn't. I was like, whatever. But then, and it's like, no, nothing can describe the sinking feeling of coming to your car and knowing that it's being broken into. I compare it to only the feeling of your car being towed. Have you been told before, Rachel? Oh, my gosh. Every time, yes. And it's always after the club.

Which is the worst. I mean, to be honest with you, it's the worst. But the thing about being towed after the club is you only get towed after the best club nights. You have so much fun. You're in there. Apple bottom jeans, jeans, with the fur, with the fur. You go crazy. Oh, shit.

Man, I'm going to. fucking live forever. Yeah. And then you walk outside. And it's funny because you know where you parked. It's so true. It's so true. But you try to rationalize it in your head.

Like maybe. Yeah. Like you know where you parked. You parked right there. That's where you parked. One time at a club, they literally stopped the party and they go, hey y'all, if you parked in this parking lot and this shopping center, they out there towing folks right now. So everybody ran out the club

and no cars were there. Because what the tow company did, they hid the cars in neighborhoods because they couldn't take them back all at the same time. So they were taking, they could only take like two or three at a time. So they take them, go back into the neighborhoods and get the rest of them. So when we showed up to go get our cars, they were like, your car's not here. We have no record of your car. What ended up happening was they lost my car in the neighborhood that they towed him. And I had to call the judge and say, I need, I need you to come here. It's like five in the morning. I need you to come and get my dad was so mad. And then he didn't believe me. Took me out. We found the car, parked behind a church. Isn't that crazy? Okay. This has got to be illegal. I'm going to be

with you. I'm going to go back to the tow truck company. I'm going to put my fucking hands on somebody. If you're going to tow my car. See, I don't like shit like that. If you're going to tow my car, tow my car, right? Don't tow my car to somebody grammy my house and then leave my shit there. And then forget about it. And then forget about the car.

First of all, don't try to undercut your capability. You know, if you don't have the capability to tow all the cars, then that's just my lucky night. Don't take away my lucky night. I was having a night of my life. Right. And I was in there, peop, peop, peop. I was in there

jamming, and you don't know what song that was. It could have been PYT or it could have been good life. One song samples the other. But I'm having the time of my life and I came out of my car got towed, but really it wasn't supposed to get towed because you were supposed to not have the capability to tow it. But you came up

with the workaround. You nigger rigged towing. Basically. Can't believe it. I never heard anything like it. Ironically enough, Webby was performing that night in the club. I vividly remember this. Oh, well, then that's what happened.

They was like, Webby's in there performing. We know we can get a bunch of motherfuckers. And it was like, and they probably got a bunch of people because when Webby's performing, you're looking for people who are illegally parked, but you're also looking for people

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slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash herms. Have you ever driven? What's the dirtiest you've ever drove? Have you ever driven without your license, without insurance? Yeah, like I forgot my license or insurance. That's about it. No, no, no, no. That's not what I'm talking about. Oh, like expired? Like it's expired or suspended or gone.

Never. One time in my life, I don't know if I've talked about this, I was completely illegal. Like totally illegal. Like, everything is illegal. Like expired plates, insurance. All of it. All of it. So check it out.

So there are five, there are all of these categories in Louisiana. There's place. there's license, there's insurance, there's registration, and then there's a little sticker in the front of your car. Right. Which I guess is your registration. I was four for four. Bad license.

Bad. I didn't actually get the license fixed to maybe like 2018. And what year did this happen? It's 2003. I can't handle that. I don't even know how you handled that. That is too much. Alexa play living on a prayer.

Alexa play living on a prayer. You don't have to show your ID anywhere? I have, but I had an ID. I just didn't have a driver's license. Got you. By the way, tell, because I had tickets in Mississippi in places I didn't want to, when I got it, when I eventually got it fixed, I had to go down memory lane to small towns in Louisiana

that I was driving through on my way to college. and do all of this stuff. And the crazy thing was, laziness is so toxic because it literally only took maybe three hours of work to get it all fixed. Call a couple of courthouses. They send you some stuff. You pay them.

Boom. You go get your driver's license. You go get the driver's license. It's fine. I remember one time, God rest of soul, when they were, when I was in California, and I was trying to get my car out of the impact. pound because of a driver's license situation that happened at the airport.

They typed my name in and no bullshit. They said, hmm, September 20th, 1955. Huh. Well, I mean, you're Van Lathen, right, from Baton Rouge. I'm like, yeah, well, they must have messed up your birthday and stuff like that. It was my dad. They gave me my car. Stop.

They gave me my car. They didn't look at you and not. think that you weren't born in 19 what you tell you black don't crack yeah i'm going to think this is a lie i'm not bullshit in you they gave me my car they gave they gave me my car i had i had been dropping uh could we go off at the uh at the airport right and when i was dropping her off at the airport she got out she went to the airport and then the cop came up and he was like could just step out of the car blah blah blah blah and he's talking to me he's doing the whole thing and then he goes do you have a driver's license and I give him the ID as I always do I say I haven't just moved here I haven't

been here very long and then I noticed I noticed that there's a tow truck coming up behind and I'm like what he's like oh you don't have a driver's license that's an automatic toe in Los Angeles I'm like huh so I had to walk around LAX to walk to the LAX police department and then I had to get the rundown on how I could get the car back and so one way that they could give me the car back is they had to prove that I had a valid license in Baton Rouge. And when they ran my name, my dad's license popped up. They gave him my car. It was meant for me to have my car back.

It was just meant for me to have my car back that day. Okay, whatever. I'm glad you fixed it. Yeah, I'm glad you're right now. I'm legal. Good. And like, I've been legal consecutive years. I got to be honest with you.

It was a time in Baton Rouge, just amongst the homies. like I keep trying to tell we don't get off to the best starts in life. We were all like this. Fuck it. Like we just like we some, we were some real. Irresponsible? Yes.

Like one of my, one of my friends went to jail, county jail for tickets. And he stayed there like some months. No. No. For months for tickets? We have to write letters to get them out of jail.

For tickets? Yes. Went there. His hair was all fucked up. He was talking about. He was making. But look, these are the lessons that, see, but see, this is the stuff that people are these are the lessons that we learn.

These are the lessons that we learn. Does a lesson needs to be learned in regards to paying your tickets? Kind of, yeah. Okay. I mean. Well, I mean, and also. Or like waiting 15 years to get a driver's like, But that's, it's just laziness.

There's a lesson need to be like, you know what you need to do. But see, you could say that it was laziness, right? But I was unlazy in so many other ways. It was lazy, right? But there were so many other things that I was doing. Like, I was actually working my ass off. Like, actually working my life. Think about it.

In the time that I refused to take the three hours to get a driver's license, I lost 150 pounds. Okay. So there's some give and take here. No, it's just sometimes niggas is just trifling, Rachel. And that was me for a pretty long time. Clearly. I'm so glad you got it together, though. Well, I can tell you something. Don't call me.

You guys, don't call me. Oh, Rachel. Rachel, I will call you. Hey, hey, Rachel, I will call you. Rachel, what? Hey, I need you to come pick me up. Where are you at? Okay, don't, don't trip. I'm at the police state. they've taken my car. No.

I live that life in my 20s helping people out. Nope. You help people out? Yeah. He used to go, hey, hey, no. Can you come get me? Can you call this person for me? Can you put some money on the books?

All that. I'm done. So here's the thing. This is my thing about putting money on people's books. And a lot of you that are listening to this don't have a lot of relatives that are in the pen. like all of my relatives were in the pen. So here's the thing about putting money on people's books.

If you have to ask me to put the money on the books, it's not going to happen. The people that, I'm serious. That's so cold. If you have to ask me to put money on your books, I'm not going to do it. The people that I put money on their books, they know that it's going to be there. Right. Right. They don't have to ask.

Say, hey, sometimes I'll just. running through relatives back in home. Hey, this $50, $60 just give it to him, he up the road. But if you have to call me, that means that we play freshman football together. And you just got my number from somebody. And he's like, oh, shit, Van, remember me? Yeah, man, man, you was a hell of a blocker. Oh, I didn't get that.

Oh, man, what? Like, when I started getting on TMZ? No, you did just. Wait, wait. No, you didn't. Just compliment yourself. No, no, no. Oh, man, you were a hell of a blocker.

That's what they do. No, no, I'm keeping against her. That's what, no, I swear to God, because I really wasn't that great of a blocker. But that's what they do. They, man, bro, because they always, they always, because this is the way it happens. They always tell the truth. But then they always give you the compliment, but to tell the truth inside the compliment. It's like, I'm like, bro, man, man, you was a hell of a blocker, bro.

I'm telling you, man, if you just had a little bit more developed calves, you would have been a dog. And then you're like... People say that to you? My dad used to say that and then he made the whole team say it. I could jump. I could jump. Like, I could jump.

I really was good, but my then like, like, boy, I'll tell you what, that boy got great feet. If his cast was just a little bit more developed, you'd have a coupon. I'm like, and so people with people, the whole team started saying that was like a running joke. And he called me to ask me for bread.

I'm like, bro, I got some prayers for you, man. our lights went in different paths and I respect it you know anyway have you ever had to okay I'll say this and then we'll start

have you ever had got that call from a relative or a friend that they couldn't get out of Vegas you have to wire their money had to wire their money not multiple times I had to buy the money to get out

get a plane ticket home not Vegas but Miami one time not Vegas not Vegas so you send them the money it was family yes so you know that somebody's falling on hard times when they ask you to wire money.

It was definitely a wire. It was definitely a Western Union. I still get people right now because when I was in college, that was the lick. Going to the fucking grocery store. Right. You know what I'm saying? Going to the grocery store. And this is the thing about it.

So you would go to the grocery store to wait for the wire from your parents for the Western Union, right? You go to the grocery store. But the thing is you were broke while you were waiting. for the money. So you're in the grocery store watching all the commerce smelling the fresh baked cakes from the bakery and you're like, Jesus Christ, I hope they don't forget. I hope the money is here because I need some fucking supplies. I'm in college. But like, there was people recently who needed me to send some money and they're like, yo, just send it over Western Union. And I was like, look, I'm not going to be, I'm going to be honest with you.

if we're not to the point to where a cash app or a zeal or something like that is you're shaking your head you're saying they didn't have it they were too old it's an older relative I'm telling you guys it's a lot of responsibility that comes with this black family thing it really is it really it's a lot of people hit me up you ain't doing nothing for your your little cousins. I'm like, who? Who are they? I haven't seen you since 1991.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's family. And I love my family. I love my family. God damn it.

They're the ones who taught me not to have a driver's license. Speaking of teaching, I think we all learned an important lesson. And that is, there's a difference between the term immunized, immunized, and vaccinated. Because Aaron Rogers has pulled off the caper

of the NFL season. He has managed to conceal the fact that he is not vaccinated. He tested positive for COVID on Wednesday. And according to some NFL media, he is indeed unvaccinated now. Aaron Rogers during a press conference earlier in the year had said that he was

I don't know why I'm having so much trouble with this world. Immunized. Immunized, yeah. Which of course means most of us take us as meaning vaccinated. But apparently

he would have been petitioning the NFL for a homeopathic immunization. He had before the season. He did. Oh, before the season. Okay, okay. Before the season.

Homeopathic treatments. So he did not get vaccinated by the traditional sense. Aaron Rogers. Saw people getting jabs in the arm and he went home and took some ginger ale and mixed it with some robocetusset and he drank it

and he said COVID cannot fucking affect me and it didn't for a while I guess but during this time Rache he was doing press conferences without a mask he was on the sidelines without a mask he was breaking every single protocol that exists

for COVID in the NFL what the fuck is going on and what should happen to Aaron Rogers now? That's a really good question on what should happen. I find this story so fascinating, but just on so many different levels. One, I didn't even know he used the term immunized, but wait,

now I can't, now I'm having trouble saying it. Yeah, immunized. Immunized, right? Is it being weird? I don't know. It sounded wrong when I said, you make you mess with me.

Whatever, he's not vaccinated. Right. But he's, but then he would answer questions and press conference conferences and say like we and would separate himself from those who were not vaccinated to imply that he was. So it's just a crazy whole situation. But even more so, you have to realize Aaron Rogers didn't act alone. That to me is the more troubling thing. Because the NFL basically put the responsibility on each team to figure out if you're a problem.

players and coaches and assistants and trainers and everybody working on the team is vaccinated. There is no way that Aaron Rogers could continue the way he did without the assistance from somebody on the Green Bay Packers staff. So that's also another issue because now you've got to look at every single team and make sure that there's not another Aaron Rogers on your team. Yeah. And I feel like the NFL was trying to give the responsibility to the teams and now they're going to have to step in. So you see what should happen as a whole, the NFL is going to have to to make sure their protocols are in place because at this point you can't trust the team member teams and they need to figure out how Aaron Rogers was able to slip through the cracks because

those people should be reprimanded as well because he couldn't have done this without somebody else alluded to the fact that he was vaccinated to but Aaron Rogers has to be suspended yeah I think I have to go I think it has to go further than that but I agree with you though you think he should be way wait I'll just say he should be suspended because you have to make an example out of him because this can't continue. If you, if you excuse what he did, then you're never going to be able to punish anyone else for doing the same thing. And there very well could be other Aaron Rogers out there. Very well could be some more on the team. But it's just such, you put so many people at risk and then you preach all this stuff about how you're one with the team, but then

you've been lying to the team this entire time. It's just troubling on so many different levels. But I'm curious for you, you think it should go further than this is, or I'm curious with you, you think you think you should go further than suspension. Yeah, so let's talk about race. Let's inject race into it. You know what I'm going to start getting? I'm going to get like one of those turkey injectors that you get for a turkey baster. No, no, no, no.

The ones that you stick the turkey with and you inject the seasoning into it. Oh, okay. I don't cook. I'm going to get one and it's just going to say race on it. And then every time I inject race, I'm just going to hold it up. I'm going to do that for real. Let's inject some race into it. So Kyrie Irvin obviously has been.

made the poster boy for vaccine hesitancy in professional sports. And that's because the situation between him and Aaron Rogers is, those are different, right? The reason why the situations are different are because Kyrie Irvin was truthful in saying that he was hesitating to get the vaccine. And his organization imposed the proper consequences of that choice onto Kyrie Irvin, right? Carrey Irvin is a black basketball player, all right, who had made a decision and suffered the

consequences of that decision. I don't begrudge the Brooklyn Nets. What's not really the Brooklyn Nets? As much as it is, as much as it is the city of New York or whatever for the fact that Kyrie Irvin cannot participate. They say, if you can't participate, you can't play, that's fine. this is a very, very fascinating look into America, fascinating look, because a black man gets punished for his truth while a white man gets help with his lie.

Now, I am not on the side of either one of these guys per se, But I think it's interesting that Aaron Rogers was giving the latitude and the opportunity to deceive everyone because he was Aaron Rogers. And now only after the fact when your hand is caught in the cookie jar, does everyone see that Aaron Rogers was lying the entire time, participating the entire time, leading the Green Bay Packers to one of the best records in the NFC the entire time? So do you know what I think should happen? Of course, Aaron Rogers should be suspended. Okay. Of course, Green Bay should be disciplined by the league. But I think the discipline should come in the fact that Aaron Rogers and the Green Bay Packers should have to forfeit every game that Aaron Rogers participated in this year. If Aaron Rogers has been flagrantly, flagrantly violating the league's virus protocols.

flagrantly violating them, flaunting them in the face of everyone, lying about it, saying that he was vaccinated when he wasn't, getting the help of the Green Bay Packers organization because he is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. And if this public health issue is as serious as what they say it is, if it's as serious is what they say it is, then the hammer has to fall in the fact that the times that he participated, The times that he did all of these things, those games, to me, the competition was tainted by someone who was breaking a rule that was supposed to keep everybody on the team and everybody around people safe. Now, the only reason why I compare it to the Kyrie Irvin situation is not because there's necessarily the intentionality there, but just because it's interesting that at this point, this makes me actually even respect Kyrie a little bit more because at least he had the

nerve and the wherewithal to stand up and speak his true feelings to everyone. And normally, whether we agree with guys or not, that's what black men get killed for. Black men don't get killed for the lie. Black men get killed for their truth. However inconvenient, uninformed or rash their truth might be, they get killed for their truth. While sometimes it seems like white people get all the opportunity to uphold the lie. And at this point, the lie's been exposed.

And I think there needs to be a clear message that this type of chicanery, chicanery. Chicanery cannot be. Got that word, right? Yeah, chicanery cannot be tolerated. Am I going too far, Rachel? Yes. I don't agree with you. I would agree with you if he, Aaron Rogers was out of the 14-day quarantine.

and got to come back and play. Then I would say that he was being favored, he was being protected, and I would say, and I would insert race. At the moment, it's too soon to say that. Aaron Rogers, what are you doing? You're saying I prematurely injectivated. And listen, rightfully so, because of what we've seen happen,

whether it be in sports, politics, life, anything, we typically, that's the way things go. But right now, it's too early to insert race because Aaron Rogers hasn't been punished. We just found this information out. And I also think it's premature to say that the reason that he was able to get away with this is because he's white. The reason he was able to get away with it is because he's the star quarterback of that team and somebody on that team favor him. The Brooklyn Nets could have done that same thing, but they decided to do things the right way and abide by the rules that are set in

place by the city of New York and didn't protect Kyrie. I don't think that's because Kyrie is black that they decided not to protect Kyrie. Also, Kyrie was honest and forthright with it. Aaron didn't. So you can't even say that the NFL or someone was protecting Aaron because Green Bay was for sure. But you can't say the NFL was doing that because he's white when the NFL did not know as well. Not the NFL.

The Packers for sure. So somebody on the team decides to do that. And I'm going to be honest, because he is the star quarterback, they need him. They're on a great run. They're doing very well right now. If Devante Adams was immunized as well, I totally think they would cover that up for him. Because he's their star number one receiver.

I do. I really do. They are protecting their stars. I really do. There is no way. I don't think they do it for Lamar Jackson. No, no, no. That's a different team.

The Ravens, that's what I'm saying. It's a different team. You can't talk about what the Ravens would do. talking about Green Bay. Green Bay has proven themselves. They've proven themselves, though, to be to protect their players, to lie for their players. No, that has not been proven by any other team. I think that they would do that to ensure their wins and the great run that they're on right now. And there is no way that Aaron Rogers is not going to let his number one, is going to let his number one receiver get in trouble for being immunized and not vaccinate them.

So here's the thing. I think that this doesn't have to do with just standing on the Packers. I think this also has to do with standing in the league. Aaron Rogers isn't just a star for the Green Bay Packers. Aaron Rogers is an entity in himself in the NFL. And I think the Packers know that. The Packers also want to keep Aaron Rogers. The Packers had a very contentious offseason with Aaron Rogers. So they're tiptoeing around some things that are going on with Aaron Rogers to make sure that he's happy enough winning there. They're having a great season and to keep them long term. What I'm telling you is I don't feel like black players and black people really in terms

of that get these breaks. Now obviously there are situations to where, you know, you do something, you break a law, you get kicked off a team and you get another chance. That's obviously the case. But in this situation here, think about what we're talking about. we're not even, we're going to talk about a player that, uh, tragically, tragically broke the law, uh,

and just stupidly and recklessly cause a loss of life later on. But we've seen players getting trouble and being invited back to their teams, right? We've seen this before. I'm not saying that that doesn't happen. But what I'm saying is this type, this type of issue, which is so front facing, which is so public, which is so hotly debated and hotly, contested for them to go all in on this on this type of situation is just it's mind blowing to me it's it's it's it's it's it's mind blowing to me that they will go along with this is mind blowing to me it is in this type of message

this is going to be political fodder this is going to be social fodder this is going to be this to me is a gigantic big huge lie that they were in that that they were invested. to. And I'm sorry, man. I personally look at, and I'm, this is, Kyrie should get his ass vaccinated and go play some basketball. That's what I think, right? He doesn't want to do it with me, him have a difference of opinion of that. That's fine. You got to live in society with people who have differences of opinion. You know, people want the virus to mutate 10 times a minute. We're doing the best

we can. But what I'm saying is to all the people that are talking about the fact that these two things speak to some interesting diverging circumstances in American society. I can't help but see it. Like I can't help but see some white dude with a shitty grin having everyone lie for him and protect him while he goes out and does something that they all know is against the rules, that he knows is against the rules, that everybody on that side knows is against the rules. And he's being excori and protected for it while there's a black dude out there who has the same viewpoint, basically. And they're hanging them on the proverbial vaccinated cross. No, I just don't agree.

I get it. My dad always says history has predictive value. So because of things that have happened before, I totally, you can use it. I totally understand why you would say that. But I think it's jumping to a conclusion. And I don't think it's comparing apples to apples. Brooklyn Nets decided to follow the rules. I don't think that that has to do with race.

Those are the rules that are in place by the city, not even necessarily. The NBA, that's the rule. They're following it. Kyrie is not playing. Green Bay decided to break the rules for their quarterback who is white. I truly believe they would have done it for Devante Adams as well. I ain't saying every black player on that team. But your star wide receiver, the favorite choice of your quarterback,

I think they would have done the same thing. One's a rule follower, one's not. Now, I'm telling you, we'll watch the situation. We'll keep everybody updated. We're watching how the NFL handles this. I don't even think I don't even think Aaron Rogers should play the rest of the year. I really don't.

I think that's how far his suspicions to go. They should forfeit the games you already played. Fine, that too. But I think you're done. You're done this season. And I think the team should be fine. Something should happen with the team, and maybe that's where the forfeitures come in.

What if I don't really forfeit the games because it's not cow. But I think they should, though. I think they should. And to be honest with you, there's something else. I'll say the last thing I'll say is this is hilarious. I'm sorry. Like, this is a very serious situation, but I can't look at a picture of Aaron Rogers

or Kyrie Irvin right now without smiling. This entire thing is so funny. If it wasn't so fucking serious, I'd be laugh. even more, but it's fucking hilarious. It's just wild that I never would have thought this would have happened. I didn't know it could. I didn't know it could happen either. I didn't know it could happen either.

The Nets, they won't let Kyrie practice, which I don't think they should, but the Packers lied for their guy. Okay. Are you saying ones better? You saying the Nets should have lied for Kyrie? Nah, I'm not saying. I'm saying, you know, well, you know, I'm really, you know, I'm really. really saying? What are you saying? Real freedom is having them lie for you. That's what real freedom

is. Lime for me too. That's privilege. Ooh. Lates throwing heat. But I want some of that privilege too. I want some of that privilege. I want some of that privilege. Like you hit the nail on the head. Like it's privilege. But it's not that I don't want the privilege. I just don't want them to be the only ones that have it. Sure. Absolutely. It's good. Oh, by the way, my dad had an old saying, do you want to hear it. Please. May, I might have said it on this before. He would say, it's not your pussy.

It's your turn. Makes sense. Yeah. He'd be like, he'd be like, man, it was his way of saying, man, don't get around here trying to own these little gals. Let that little guy go out and be yourself. You don't own her. Remember, son, y'all, y'all little boys running around talking about it's your pussy.

It's not your pussy. It's your turn. And you get to decide how long that turn is by how you act. I'd be like, what an artful way. Damn, what a toxic way to make a decent point, you fucking feminist? What a toxic way to make a great point. Okay. We have to talk about Henry Ruggs III, who is a wide receiver, was a right receiver for the Las

of Vegas Raiders, who I'm sure you guys have heard about now, was involved in a just horrifying DUI car crash that resulted in the death of a 23-year-old woman. Henry Ruggs III was a speechster for them. He's one of the fastest players in the league. A guy who was coming into his home. He was leaving top golf, people say, in Las Vegas, and he had a blood alcohol of 0.16, which is twice the legal limit, according to prosecutors. They found a gun in his car as well, but that ended up being the least of his problems

as Henry Ruggs decided to travel 156 miles per hour. he hit a woman rear-ended her going 127 miles an hour on impact when the airbag deployed and he killed her and her dog he has since been released by the Las Vegas Raiders and looks to face some pretty serious jail time as I believe that he was charged with driving under the influence resulting in death I'm not sure how you analyze this one it's ugly, so neat, so reckless, so disgusting, hard to even fathom for the family of that woman who was just driving home that night. But disgusting things is what we do.

So when you saw this entire thing unfold, what were your thoughts? Well, I was actually on set when, and this is so troubling, I was on set when a producer came in and was like, man, Ruggs just killed someone. That's all that was said. And when I tell you, and we were like, what? And it was like, yeah, and people were like starting to discuss it, but nobody knew any details. And the first thought somebody said was, was it a girlfriend, a wife? Isn't that wild?

In that wild? No, I know. It's not that there's not truth to it. I'm just saying that was the first thought that it was domestic violence, which is a whole other discussion to have. But I just wanted to bring, that's how I found out. and that was the initial discussion. And then obviously more information came out and we learned about the tragedy

of this young woman losing her life. Her name is Tina Tinter. Thank you. We keep calling her. Tina Tinter. Tina Tinter losing her life. I mean, you hear stories like this and you just think this could have been avoided.

And even more so, Ruggs had a friend who died five years ago in a car crash. Yeah. And so like when you add that to it, it's just, you just, you would hope that people would be more responsible when it comes to drinking and driving, especially that I also found out that the Raiders have a car service available to their players, maybe even additionally to the staff as well, but specifically to the players, since that's what we're dealing with, for when you go out. So there are options there. You never had, obviously Uber and Lyft are available. But on top of that, your team has tried to put things. in place for you to avoid these very types of situations and it was ignored. And then also there was a passenger in his car. And it's just like all these things happened that allowed for him to continue in this way that eventually led to the tragedy of someone, Tina, losing her life. And it's just so

devastating where in one second this man, you know, first round draft pick, you know, life changing for him and his family, had this amazing opportunity. And just like that. that it's taken away and so is someone's life at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think sometimes when I talk to young brothers and Henry Ruggs, I think it's only 22 years old, sometimes when I talk to young brothers, it's hard to get them to see human.

They either think that they are destined for an early death or that they're going to live forever. you know it's hard for them to just see that hey you're a person and every decision that you make has ripple effects for you and out for the people beyond you right so henry rugs is young he's strong um he's living a life that maybe he didn't think he was going to get a chance to live he's from there in alabama i believe and for him to take that extra thing to protect everything sometimes it doesn't feel like he needs to do it because what could hurt Henry Ruggs, right? Who could Henry Ruggs hurt? You know, like I'm here, I'm a star, I'm here, I'm going to be here forever, what could go wrong, and then something goes wrong, something goes terribly wrong. And there are

going to be discussions about Henry Ruggs and what he does now and how he picks up the pieces and how he moves on with his life. And I guess people will have those conversations. I never will. I don't know what really is going to happen for Henry Ruggs moving forward. I hope the best for everyone, but I can't say that I'm overly concerned. I'm not being... What do you mean by that? Well, I just have a really weird relationship with someone actually dying because you fucked off at Top Golf.

I'm not angry, but if I'm being honest with you, It's like these would be one of those situations where I don't really know. I'd be really interested to talk to someone who's lost a family member to a drunk driver or to a careless accident or something like that and see how they processed it because God forgives everyone and, you know, and we all live in society with second and third chances. But this woman is dead, man. Right. For nothing.

Like for nothing, it just, I'm honest with you. It does make me angry. Of course. Yeah. Like, it's just like, you know, and it's not, he didn't try to do it. I understand that. But at the same time, the negligence is so obscene that I'm like, fuck, man. Well, it's just like who kept giving him drinks?

He had a passenger in the car. Who didn't notice that it wasn't okay for him to drive? You know what I mean? Like, there just seemed to have been things that could have stopped, like, quick decisions could have been made for this to not happen. And then it ends up with someone dying. Yeah. And that's what I think where the anger comes from and the frustrations that it's like,

it could have been avoided. You did if it happened, you had a good time and then this happened. Yeah. No, yeah. Yeah. It's just prayers to the family. I hope that they find some sort of closure. We don't know what's going to happen when he rerugs.

He's probably going to do a little jail time. time here. And just hopefully people are able to find peace. But guys, I mean, it goes without saying, man, God damn it. Like, there's just, come on, man. Come on, man. Like, use the Uber. Why are you going to, he was going to 156 miles an hour. Just completely fucked. Totally fucked. And by the way, Last thing I'll say about this, this could have happened in any American city where there's a football team, right? But because this was in Las Vegas, this is going to be a little tense for the league. Because before a team was brought to Las Vegas, there were myriad things that the league was concerned about being around in Las Vegas. They were concerned about a gambling aspect.

And they were also concerned about a partying aspect. And here you have the team having been there for not even one season. And you have this type of situation. So this is probably going to reflect on the first. franchises the Las Vegas Raiders as much as it will reflect on Henry Rugs himself. I don't know that they have a car service and they're doing the right thing, but they're going to probably bear some of the responsibility here as far as when people out from the outside are looking into it. All right, let's take a break. This episode is brought to you by Weather Tech.

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They were in it to win it. Yonkin is very clearly a Trump Republican. McCullough is not. He is a Democrat. But Yonkin won. Youngkin won a race that was polling very closely, but ended up not being so close on election night, actually shades of the 2016 Trump presidential election.

Lots of blame to Gore. around in the Democratic Party as to how McCullough lost this race that was able to make the Virginia, the governorship, read for the first time in a while. But Rachel, you see this race. Who do you blame? I blame the Democrats. I mean, if you just look at the race and let me just say this. A lot of people will talk about Biden and people, you know, it's because Biden and this and there is truth to this because of Biden and what he's done so far in the presidency and people are his approval rating is down and people are looking at that I always have to remember that nobody wanted Biden to be president it was the lesser of two evils it's not like they

were over thrilled to have him they were just trying to get him out of office that it's is it not true they were just so we look at the win and states turning blue as if everything's democratic or I'm not Democratic, but as blue and people are Democrats and things are more liberal and people voted at record numbers and that's true in some sense. But at the same time, it wasn't because everyone's a super fan of Biden. And it's almost as if they've gone back to what it was before. They just wanted to see Trump out of office. And so I think when you look at what happened in Virginia, which you kept saying pay attention to, pay attention to, Biden won that by what, like a 10 percentage point or something like that?

And the fact that people thought, okay, well, then that's going to carry through to the governor race. And then this happened. It didn't. Now, you called him a Trump Republican. Yes. Yonkin. Yon is that a fact?

Yeah. Well, the Trump can conveniently try to hide on the campaign trail, but he certainly is a Trump Republican. Because he didn't. What he was careful to do is to not post too much affiliation with Trump. But what he did do. is basically give the blueprint, the roadmap of what Republicans who are coming up in midterms and what will happen in 2024 should do.

Republicans are masters at hitting all their talking points and playing to the right people, their fears, what they want. That is what Yonkin did. That's not what the Democrats did. Democrats ran an entire campaign. What's his name? McLaugh. McCollough.

McCallough, McCallough ran an entire campaign anti-Trump. Trump is not in office. And the fact that he continued to do that was really hurt his campaign while Yonkin was talking about education and playing on people's fears with CRT and talking about not wearing mask and talking about appealing to moderates and talking about how teachers needed higher pay. And it won. And that's what we're going to see happen in 2022 with these minutes. terms and that's what we're going to see happen in 2024. And if the Democrats don't get it

together and align their interests and really fight against what the Republicans are putting in place, it's never going to be any different. That coupled with the fact that Biden is not doing a fantastic job in office. So it's easy to blame, oh, look what's happening at the presidency. Looks to happen with the administration. He's not getting things done. So it's like we have to fight on two ends. We have to fight against Biden or criticizing him and what that administration is doing, but then also fighting against these hot issues

that are going to be debated from here on out. And that's what Yon did. And that's what how you won. Question for you. A lot of this battle was waged on CRT itself. This was a referendum by the people of Virginia on

the boogeyman of CRT. They were told that their children were going to get taught that Harriet Tubman and Flavent founded America and they don't want that. They were told that their children were going to be taught

that fucking the real housewives of Atlanta were the daughters of the American Revolution and they're like, we don't want them to like we don't want them to be taught that. So they got very scared and they voted for Yonkin. here's my thing most people really be honest with you on both sides don't know very much about

CRT i talk to people all the time they're on the left that when you really start to pare down and get into what CRT is they really can't tell you what CRT is that makes me ask a question if CRT is not being widely taught in schools which we know it's not if CRT is is actually not this big of a deal is CRT worth the fight Yes. You think that it is. Not that it's worth the fight to get it implemented into schools because they're not even, that's not even happening. It's not being taught.

But now it is such a talking point that people use the term CRT. Probably don't even understand what the acronym stands for or what the acronym represents. But it's out there now. It's a headline now. So you have to combat it because they're going to talk about it. So you have to at this point. If we ignore CRT, it's, I mean, there are videos out there where people don't understand CRT.

All they understand is that it's this looming thing that attacks their privilege and their whiteness. And that's all they need to know. It's an attack against them. So you have to combat it at this point. Even if it's not an issue, it is an issue. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, you have to attack it. CRT to me stands for crackers ruining things. Wow. Let's get that going. That's my CRT. Crackers ruining things That's what CRT And by the way

If you're white And you're listening to this It's 90% chance That you're not a cracker But We're up against The saltiest of the saltines There down there

In Trump land man Like they are You just want to Like there is not enough Chicken noodle soup To dip all the crackers in That is not I like that by the way

I like when you take a saltine You know, when you go to a restaurant, they got the nice Jewish delis out in L.A. And you get some chicken noodle soup. Do you go chicken noodle? You go chicken and rice soup. Which one do you do? Chicken and noodle.

You ever do chicken and rice? No. Do you have an issue with chicken and rice? I mean? I don't like rice in anything like that unless it's like gumbo. Gotcha. So you get the chicken noodle soup and then it's like a little treat when you notice the crackers right next to it.

You're like, oh, they give me some crackers. And then you dip a cracker in the soup and it gets just a little. little wet, not too soggy and you eat it is very nice. No, you're gross. That's delicious. Wow. But yeah, so I just wonder about CRT sometimes because it's like the right, they're like a fucking evil ATM. You give them something and they just turn it into racist cash.

Like whatever it is, like CRT is like a card. You stick it in the evil ATM and all it fucking turns out for them are election results. So the Democrats have to find a way to make the Republicans campaign on reality. And that might be by simplifying the issues that they're talking about in a way and not necessarily trying to paint as broad a brush as what they seem to be trying to paint. It seems like to be honest with you, there are too many ingredients in the stew. for the Democrats and too many cooks in the kitchen. Now, look, it's early.

A lot of people are looking at this as, you know, a harbinger of things to come next year. But next year is a long time away. It's a year away. So what people should be doing right now is not bedwetting, as Bukhari-Seller says. They should be organizing and understanding what needs to be done to secure an electoral victory in the midterms, which is going to be an uphill battle, right? If you care about that, if you care about policy, it's going to be an uphill battle.

I'll say this, though, there are ways to beat all of this. People are talking about the voting rights legislation in Georgia and Texas. There are ways to beat that. It just has to be organized around. So what people need is the information of how to get out their vote, of how to go to the right precincts and make their vote count, of how to not have their vote discounted.

And the money and all of the resources, resources needs to be put into that because nothing's happening on the hill. Let me ask you a question. Oh, I'm sorry. Were you finished? Yeah, that's it. Let me ask you a question. I think Republicans have mastered playing off how dumb we are as a society, right?

People don't research, people don't read. They read headlines. They click things for click bait. These hot points that infuriate their base to where it's like, we got to fight against this because our livelihood is being threatened. how do you combat that at like how can the democrats also play on that liberals progressives whatever it may be it's harder and that's that's the biggest question that i have it's like how do you combat that how do you play off that because we're not having we can't just play on

how dumb the society is we have to undo the damage that's been done in addition to that and nobody wants to take the time to read or learn about it but see i don't think you have to undo it number one think you have to turn out new people. Number one, I think you, I think the Democrats, I think it's all in turnout and messaging, right? So if you have somebody that wants to believe that they're going to come along and TCRT in that way, it's going to be very, very hard to undo some of that. The point is, how many people that aren't wired that way? I actually believe that. And are those making up the margins? And are there people in your people? your own base who are staying home because they feel less than energized by what you're putting

out there. Did Terry McCullough running as for Virginia governor, did he provide a blueprint to a better life for Virginians all over the state that made them want to get out as much as the people were afraid of CRT? Like, did they run the right candidate? Is the left, is the left evolving properly with the sort of shifting landscape of their electorate, all those things happening. Are you getting the most, you squeeze in a limit hard enough and getting the most juice out of it? I'm not so sure that that's the case. I'm not so sure that that's the case. And I also think that the message on the left needs to be simplified.

I understand that there's a very diverse electorate. And that's harder to talk to all of them. but we have to have real conversations about what Americans want and need. And we have to do those things sometimes by by sort of gathering people together at the highest levels of what they will want from government. And what I mean about that is like the more we fracture the identity of the left, the more infighting there is. And the more infighting there is, the more everyone.

can't get on message. So have tough conversations, come together, discuss things, and everybody on the left, forget about what happens between the left and the right. Everybody on the left realize that you can't win every battle, that sometimes the winning is in the compromise. So you might not get this one thing. The winning's in the compromise? That's true for, no, I do. I'm just surprised you said compromise. I know. I believe that. Oh, yeah. The only way you loses by not compromising. I think when you look at things like what Biden's trying to get done, like at some point,

you're going to have to have a more united front and a more united message to Americans. And a simpler one. Simpler. It's like not stupider. Simpler. There's a difference. All right.

Do you enjoy the NFL combine? Do you watch it? I used to When I had friends When you guys don't know with the NFL Combine It's when they get all the NFL players And they get them together And then they run

And they jump And they throw They do all the things that you do On the football field Yeah I'm not gonna lie Sometimes watching the NFL combine It's a little uncomfortable

Because These are big ass black dudes A lot of them And they're poking at them And prodding at them and doing all of this stuff and it looks a little bit like a slave auction.

People have said this before. It looks like a slave auction a bunch of white guys watching black guys perform but they're mad at Colin Kaepernick because on his show, Colin in Black and White, which by the way, did you watch Colin in Black and White?

I have not. Why? It's been a really rough week for me. Too rough for you to support the man who put his career on the line so that you could be on the... You can try to guilt me all you want. My guilting you.

I'm asking you. I will get to it. It's just not on my top list. Do you think it's, okay, fine. Well, since you didn't see this, did you see the scene in question? I saw the same. So Colin Kaepernick, in the very first scene of Colin Black and White, come out swinging. And he had some NFL players at the combine.

They walk into a shot when they come out, the other shot there at a slave auction. Something that people have said for years, by the way, for years they have made the correlation. But now Colin Kaepernick is once again. the anti-American devil. What they don't want you to understand is what's being establishes a power dynamic, which is what Kaepernick says. It says, before they put you on the field, teams poke, prod, and examine you searching for any defect that might affect your performance,

no boundary respected, no dignity left intact. Jack Brewer, who was an NFL player and a Fox News type of dude, he says this new Colin Kaepernick doctrine that's penetrating the minds and hearts of so many of our underserved black kids across America is the single largest threat to black men in the United States of America. You guys, Colin Kaepernick is the single biggest threat to black men across America if we can just get rid of the guy with the Afro. Just real quick on this, because I'm not sure.

We've done a lot of sports today. I'm not sure if people are that familiar with the NFL Combine. Do you see a corollary between the NFL combine and a slave auction? I think you could use that example. If you're going to follow in that line of thinking what Kaepernick was doing, I think you could use that in almost any power structure, any business, any corporate America situation. I think it's an exaggeration because at what point in that clip he says, in that part,

he says, you're left with no dignity intact. That's a bit of a stretch for me. in the combine, you go through a physical examination, right? They want to see how far you can throw, how fast you run, you know, how much, how high you jump or whatever, you know, like they, they want to see all of that. They want to make sure you don't have any injuries. Why? Because they're going to invest millions in you to play for their team.

If I work for a corporation and I go in for an interview, you're going to mentally poke and prod me and ask me a series of questions because you're going to be investing as me as a potential employee at your business. I just think it's just a bit, I think, is there exploitation? Absolutely. Is it a slave auction with no dignity left intact? That's a little bit too much for me because especially good, I think it waters down and generalizes slavery, if I'm going to be a little honest. Slavery, you didn't have a choice. NFL. It's voluntary. You're slavery.

You worked for free, pretty much. You worked for free. NFL, not the case. And so I just feel like it, I get it. Again, I'll go back to the word of exploitation, but I don't, I think slavery is a bit of a stretch. And so I can see why some people, like, is he the biggest threat?

Absolutely not. That's an exaggeration. But it's a little bit, it's a little bit much for me. And let's also not forget the first. fact that Kaepernick wants to play in the league, which is also tough. If you really feel that strongly about it, you don't want to be a part of an organization that makes black men look like slaves. It doesn't make any sense. You can't do it, you can't have it both ways. Well, you could have it both ways. You could. And be a hypocrite. You could be a part of the

organization and still seek to change the organization. If that's the case, then we can't criticize America. He's not going to change the way. That's, that's nice for you to say it that way. I just think it's, what are you mean? I'm saying we're all standing, we're all staying in this country that blah, blah, blah, but we hope to change the country. So just because you, you want to participate in something doesn't necessarily mean. It's my first time hearing him talk about the combine in this way. And as much as he's fought for change in certain things, I've never heard him talk about wanting to change the, the way you make it into the NFL or the system. Not saying that he doesn't believe that, but I've just never heard him speak that before.

So to me, it just seemed exaggerated. That part is a little too much for me. I'm not saying there's not some truth in it, but we're all poked and prodded in certain ways when we're entering some type of corporate America, whether it's mentally, physically, or whatever, because they're investing in you. I'm not saying it's necessarily right. I think there's more exploitation on the sports side of it, but it's not slavery. It's okay, so obviously it's not slavery. I don't think he was necessarily saying that it was slavery. This is my thing. Obviously, the first scene of Colin in black and white painted a very direct picture. It was very on the nose, right? That criticism has been around for years, though. This is another thing that, to me, it all has to do with the messenger. People have been saying that I could literally send you 10 memes. Like they stand around guys and the guys with their shirts off and they're taking body. fat measurements and they're doing all of that stuff.

And it's a dude standing with a shirt off in front of a room full of mostly white guys. And they are examining him. There's a book. Right, right. That is going to remind you of what we've been told that a slave auction is like. And by the way, if we really get into it, it's not that far off. I mean, they're getting like, it's not slavery. It's certainly not slavery.

But the mechanism by way. by which the combine and the NFL exists is certainly akin to slavery in terms of black men being paid for white men being rich, getting rich off black men's physical prowess and what they can bring to these large, huge organizations. They take care of them and they do everything. I'm not saying that that's not, there's a weird deja vu about it. also I would say that in the combine itself there are dehumanizing aspects of it there was a guy named Jeff Ireland back in the day Des Bryant complained about this he was

the the GM of the dolphins during Des Bryant's interview he asked as Brian if his mother was a prostitute you know and so like these things aren't perfect but I don't think that necessarily the observation that hey doesn't this kind of remind you of this is that bad. I can really speak to it as deeply as Colin did because I never went through it. Maybe Colin felt like he didn't have any dignity left. Maybe Colin talked to guys that felt like

they didn't have any dignity left. I wouldn't know because I didn't go through the combine. You can't call a guy making $5 million a slave. You just can't. And to your point, it's just so interesting because also for y'all who don't know, not everybody's invited to the combine. It is looked at as an honor to get to be involved.

invited to participate in the combine. That's, is it not? Is it not? It's like, man. Oh, man. You got, you got to go to the combine. You're the best to the best. Right.

You want to get invited to the combine because you, uh, with some guys, some guys don't participate because it would just hurt that draft stock. But you want to be invited to the combine because most of the time you want, it's an opportunity to show what people can do because you want to be able to help and change, you know, it's an interview. Yes. So, but. It's a bit of a leak for me.

It's a bit of a leap. And I know, and I, yes, it's easy for people to blame Cap and I know it's been around for years and there's memes about it. There's a book about it. Like, I get it. But there's a little much. Not going to stop me from seeing it though. I'm still going to see it. You got to watch it.

It's good. The kid who plays a Capernick, Jade Michael, he's great. It's also good to watch like, I always wonder what it was like being biracial, you know? Like, and it's like. Yeah, I actually did you too. What? Yeah. I have as well.

That's what I'm saying. You have as well. What's your biggest question for, when I say biracial, I mean like being black and raised by white people. Because Colin is biracial, but he also has two white parents. Yeah.

Got you. One thing in it that way. Right. I just always wonder what it's like to feel like maybe you're stuck between two different worlds, right? Like the, when I hear biracial people talk specifically black and white, it's like I want to, you know,

maybe show honor to this side. and then on it to this side, and I feel like I'm stuck in a place or I'm not black enough for this, for this group, and I'm too white for this group. And, yeah, I just always wanted the mental conflict

that they have being of both races. I just always wondered what it was like when you tried to get all your cousins together. Yeah, I knew you were going to take it to a different place. You know, you get your cousins together. You know, you have your cousins. Because growing up, there was always a point where I had some of my mom's cousins together

and then some of my cousins on my mom's side because on my dad's side we're all hanging together. But like, there was no race wars, you know? Like, you could really incite something

with you biracial, you know? Like, skin, ass people, making rap music, taking over rap, Drake,

Jake Cole. That's how you know that it was tough because they're like, you know what? I'm going to come out and I'm going to do the blackest shit ever.

You know, I'm going to be the best and Drake and Jake Cole decide they were going to take over rap and they did. Shout out to them, man. Shout out to people from varied ethnic heritage. Shout out to Obama. Who they let, become the president.

Who they left. I'm saying, we still haven't had a true nigger as president. What's the next topic? I'm just joking, guys. You guys are going to get so mad. Barack Obama is black as fuck.

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craft since 1905. All right. You know, we've got a lot of drags going out here, but we have to talk about what's going on with Armad Arbery in his case. The judge finds intentional discrimination in the Arbery jury selection, but allows trial to move forward with one black member. Rage, this is legal eagle territory. I want you guys to make like a little sound when we get to

something legal legal eagle or like you use or we could just use the doom-dum from long time no no legal eagle we want a bird sound because I love when you get into your lawyer back oh somebody challenged me somebody challenged you on your

deposition thing I know you saw the I probably should have been more specific I generalized I'm like you don't have well I know I said you don't have to answer and you technically you don't but what's going to happen is if you don't answer anything then they're going to file a motion you're going to go in front of a judge and then you're going to have to go back. There are certain things that

you don't have to, like if you're going to incriminate yourself necessarily or if it's privilege, you can say my attorney instructed me not to answer that. But for the most part, yeah, you're going to. And then people make objections in the deposition and then you fight that in front of a judge and then maybe that doesn't come into trial. Maybe it does. I should be more specific, but whatever. Anyways, criminal background is not my forte, but I want to say this about what's happening in the Ahmaud Arbery trial. The judge says, said that it was intentional discrimination, but allowed the case to move forward. When I read this, honestly, it's been a two-week process for them to select the jury, which I was shocked because

in this county, I thought, maybe they're having, my first thought was maybe they're having a hard time trying to find black people in this county. But then statistically, it's 26% black that live there. So there's definitely a pool of black people. So that's not it. Two and a half week process. The judge sounded like he was exaseless. exhausted and basically was like, this is intentional discrimination, but I'm going to allow this to move forward and basically has set up the prosecution for an appeal by saying that. If they want to go back, if they lose this for some reason, they're going to be able to point back to this.

And if they decide to take it, it, you know, it sets it up for the appellate process. But did you see the whole Bubba thing? Bubba. No, what happened with Bubba. I missed this. So apparently, they. the defense attorney, and this came up during the jury selection process, the defense attorney was upset that there weren't enough Bubba's in the jury pool. And he described that as white

males born in the South over the age of 40 without a four-year college degree. And he referred to them as Bubba's or Joe Six-Pack. And he said that they were significantly under-referral presented. And he said, no, I'm not trying to be stereotypical in any way, but I do think there's a real question of whether or not that demographic is underrepresented in this jury pool. The fact one that he called them bubbles, the fact two, that he is fighting for a certain type of white man to be a part of it. That's not even required. You have to have diversity when it comes to race and gender, not when it comes to socioeconomic background. That's not something that's it, that you have to have. But the fact that he wanted that type of person on the jury pool tells you

exactly what they're trying to appeal to when it comes to this case. The very defendants in this case, the murderers in this case, he wants them on the jury because he knows they will acquit their own. Isn't that crazy? It is. And the fact that he went on record saying that. I just watched the LA 92 documentary. Did you watch it?

Wait, which one? There's another one? Nat Geoographic. I'll just watch on the plane right over here. Piss me off, of course. Um, but I, I saw when they were talking about, I remember this being a big deal when I was a kid, the venue change that led to the four cops that were, that beat the shit out of Rodney King, the trial being moved from L.A. proper into Simi Valley, Simi Valley, where they would have much more favorable, uh, pool of people to choose a jury from and how I liked the jury was and stuff. And I look at that and I think, you know, shades of the same thing. This is what this guy would want to do. He would want to want to. He would want to. to have as favorable a jury box as possible. So he wants more bubbles on there.

And it just made me think about how, you know, we talk about how fragile democracy is, but nothing is more fragile than American justice. And while listening to you lawyers, you legal eagles, talk, it just makes me. see, like, there's so many variables in a case that lead to the quote, unquote, truth of the case. It's just, it's just interesting. And by the way, something struck me on that L.A. documentary.

You guys, remember the name Latasha Harlins? We always talk about her and what happened. But actually, we don't talk about her enough. We don't talk about Latasha Harlan's enough. We don't talk about the judge that released the woman who executed Latasha. Harlan's enough. It became about Rodney King, rightly so. But, you know, black life being wasted is not something that just happened. So check out the LA 92 documentary. You'll get a crash course and sometimes how it feels to be black. You're about to say something.

Well, well, to that, I was going to say, there's also a movie that's coming out with Tyrese and Scott Eastwood about the L.A. Uprising in 92. I think that might be the title of it actually. It's interesting that they keep, you know, it's fascinating because similar to OJ, which is why OJ got to stay in L.A. because of what happened in 92, it's just interesting how you can see a bunch of documentaries, you can hear people talk about it, there can be all these movies, but people are still so fascinated with what happened and the ins and outs of it. and it's real life and people lost their lives

or when it or Latasha. Latasha lost her life. And yes, please look that up. It's just, I don't know. It's just, it's almost if it, I don't want to say it seems fantasized, but the way it's talked about, it's like it happened, but it didn't happen.

I don't know. And they keep wanting to make movies about it. And it's just like, it would, I wasn't, I was seven when it happened, wasn't in L.A. I can't even imagine what it was like. to be here, to fill it, to experience it. And I definitely didn't understand it at the age of seven. But I don't know.

I just feel a certain way that they keep a documentary is one thing, but the movies being made about it. Don't you feel like it's fantasizing it to a, maybe I'm exaggerating with that word. By glorifying it or. Yeah. Like, well, I just think, I think people. So look, this is something that we, that we dealt with while making two distant strangers. There's a fine line, right?

you want to educate people and you want people to understand a story. But whenever you put it out as art, you know, you're commodifying it to a degree. And you want to make sure that the backside of that is going to be worth whatever it is that you're going to go through. Excuse me. You want to make sure that it's worth it. Let me use less words. You want to make sure that it's worth it. If you're going to put something out, you're going to make money off of it.

if you're going to sell it to people, you want to make sure that the art that you make is hard hitting enough that is worth it. You don't want to cut any corners. You want people to get a message from it. At a certain point, I completely understand what you're saying, and that's having made to Dish and Strangers.

I would never make another movie like that. You know, I think I've said that before. I think that movie was important to make for how we felt then. But, you know, I want you to be able to sit down in the theater with me and come away inspired, you know, come away.

Even if we do, even if I do end up doing my dream movie, which is about the Haitian Revolution, which would be a lot of blood and death, I want people to be able to leave the theater and look at what was maybe the single greatest uprising for freedom ever. Like, no matter how real the stories are, we have to put stories out where black people,

we're gay people, we're Asian people. where Latinx people where we win. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that aren't talked about. Most people don't know about the Haitian revolution

as opposed to the uprising and that you do. Right. Or at least Rodney King. People are aware. Oh, we'll just give Scott Eastwood another chance because he's running out of chances. Wait, wait. What happened?

Yeah, whatever. What did mean? What happened? Is Scott Eastwood? Yeah, Scott Eastwood. just, you know, they keep putting them in movies and he keeps fucking not delivering. Oh, wow. Yeah, I just interviewed him for some movie called Dangerous.

Yeah, yeah, I'll see. All right. We got to get to mailbag before we do a real quick war with the whites thinking. There was a Virginia City Councilman who went in Blackface Day, National Blackface Day, better known as Halloween, was another hoot for some of our white brothers and sisters out there. I saw a little boy dressed up as Kobe, something very distrable. something very disrespectful. He had all black face all over his face.

And this guy went... No! I thought you were going to say he had a jersey on. I did not see this. No, he had the black face. And this guy from Virginia, he's a politician. He went as Randy Watson from sexual chocolate. So here's the thing. So here's the thing.

It's wrong. But... Like it's wrong. Hold on. First of all, I got to hold on. I got to put on a, hold on. I got to make sure that it's right. It's wrong. It's totally wrong.

It's disgusting. It's putrid. It's fucking. It's vile. Blackface is vile. I personally think that we've made such a goddamn, a point about blackface that we've made our point about black face. Blackface is wrong. It should never be done.

Yeah. dehumanizing. This was funny. All right. And I want to be a human being. Okay. Okay. Like, I look at the picture.

He should have never done it. His name is Farron Hamblin. He was with his black face. He was a coming to American character. Randy Watson's sexual with chocolate. And I looked at the picture and this is the fucked up part about black people. See, this is the fucked up part about it sometimes is We like to have a good time.

So sometimes that gets in the way of what we should have our minds on, at least for where I'm from. I can't speak for everyone. But I looked at this and I laughed. And then I was like, nah, fuck him. But I laughed. The first thing was to laugh. It was funny. Whatever bad happens to him, it should happen.

You know, if he gets fucked over, censured. If he loses his job, blackface, we can't tolerate blackface. Like, it's bad. But I laughed. I got to admit, I laughed. Of course we laughed. It's Randy Watson. You know what I mean? It's who he dressed up as. It's not that he dressed up. It's who he dressed up as that makes it funny. If you don't know who Randy Watson is, shame on you. It's just shame on you. Even I do. Y'all know I don't see movies. I know who it is. I saw the headline. Then I said, well, I got to see the picture.

Right. I saw the picture. And I just immediately clicked out of the article. Of course I laugh. Of course I chuck with myself. It is funny. But what's not funny is that I'm so sick of white people acting like they don't know what blackface is. Of course. They don't know what's wrong. Basically what white people are doing now is dressing up in blackface and then asking for forgiveness later.

All I didn't mean to offend in anyone. Yes, you did. You know what's wrong. You just really wanted to be Randy Watson. And I get it. He's a funny character. There's a whole bit you could do with it. But like the man, he's a politician.

He needs to lose his position. He needs to lose his position. It's not okay. And then he tried to excuse it by talking about like. I'm like Dave. Eddie Murphy or Dave. Yeah, no, you're not. So you really don't care at all.

You really just wanted to be Randy Watson. He kind of nailed it. Get his ass out of here. But if he went out, he went out for fucking comedy. All right. God damn it's mailback. Mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them.

Oh, it's mailback time. Write us with your queries and we'll chime in. All right, let's go. Come on, mailback, mailback, mailback, mail back, mail back, mail back. Here we go. Kyle Farmer asks, what's the number one thing you hope your white listeners learn? from your show. Van's going to say something smart aleck.

I can say it's brewing in his head. I'll say. Go ahead, Rachel. I'll say that, well, one, I feel like I want them to know, because a lot of y'all came over for the bachelor for me, I want you to get to know another side of me. That's the main thing, right?

I want you to really get to know Rachel, big Rach, all of that. And I'm happy for that. But truthfully, I hope that you get an understanding, of what it is to be black, you're never going to fully get it because you're not. But you listen to us,

you understand our culture better, you understand why things impact and affect us the way that they do, rather than just, to me, if you're coming and you're listening to us, you want more than a headline, you want more than clickbait,

you want some type of level of understanding. And so I hope that you get that from us. And, yeah, we continue to provide that for you. That's a good answer. like I just want you to get the vibes you know come here for the vibes and the laughs

and just know that like you know what I'm a fucking person man I'm a fucking person like I'm a I'm a dude and I just want a chance to be a dude while I'm here on earth I'm just I'm a person and we have all of these cultural things

and they're great and some of those things you can everyone can enter into and some of those things we want just for us. But at the end of the day, like, it's just, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like being black, the one thing they try to do is deperson you. I'm a guy. I'm a dude. I'm a person.

Rachel's a lady, a woman, a chick. Okay. What's his name? Who? Foster. Foster? What's this? Camille.

Camille. You sound like Camille. I'm a person. I'm a son. I'm a son. Hey, don't. Get on Camille. I'm a brother.

Camille. Camille described it all. Camille was like, yes, but he said, yeah, not black. But I'm all of those, but I'm black, though. Camille, that's on Camille. Shout out Camille. That's on Camille. But I'm black, though.

I'm a black person and all of that stuff. All right. Let's go. Come on, Donnie. God damn it. Renee DeRotis S. What's a movie you wish you could see for the first time? Oh, this is easy for me.

Go for it, Rachel. to America. Is that what you're going to say? Right now, right now in the present, the harder they fall. Oh, the harder they fall was so good. So good. It was really good. It's really good. Lekeith doing this thing.

Johnton Irons, John the Majors doing this thing. The light skin, stage coach Mary, sexy stage coach Mary. They got... Edris, Edrus. Edrus.

Edrus. Just everybody. by so great Regina. Regina. Regina. Regina is probably the best performance in the film if you asked me.

I thought she was great. I liked it. But for me, it's the Matrix. Like, I can't describe to you being a 19-year-old being in the movie theater

and watching Trinity jump up and the camera spin around it. Everybody going, yo, what the fuck? Yeah! And then we completely, the movie

completely lost us about 30 minutes after that. I'm like, what the fuck? So are we in the real world? Which world is real? Like, what is he saying? Can we rewind this? But then for the, to all come full circle to where we completely understood. And at the end, we actually were flying with Neo at the end of the movie. The Matrix was a fantastic film going experience.

All right. Come on, Donnie. All right. Anna Karen Smith asks, how often do you watch your sheep? Sign a feet washer. Interesting. Well, we're glad to know that you wash your feet. Start there. I'd say once a week.

I do it more now, and I'll tell you why. Every since we, I'm going to be honest with you. I used to go a strong week and a half. I'm going to be honest with you. But now I... I now wash him about every three or four days. Oh, that's good. And the reason is, is because Bozeman likes to jump into bed now.

Oh, he gets on the sheets, though? Yeah, Bozeman jumps in the bed. I got to be honest with you guys. I got to be honest with you guys. Top tier slumber, sleeping with Bozeman is the best. Bozeman jumps in the bed. Bozeman's like 100 pounds now. Bozeman jumps in the bed.

He comes over and he takes his head and he burrows his head into the place where he wants to sleep. And then he then gets into that. spot. I mean, and it's right next to you. And after about three breaths, you are both of them kind of like breathing at the same time. And then before you know it, everybody's sleep. He is just the most beautiful, cuddly, like affectionate dog ever. I love the truth this way with your dog. But sometimes you, after he's gotten off the bed, you look in the bed and it's like, Mosman paws are dirty, so you got to rewash the sheets. In order to continue to, for Bose to be able to get in the bed, which I have to wash the sheets all the time, but it's worth it.

Or you wipe your dog's paws off after they come out from outside. Or before they get in the bed, before they get in the bed. Maybe. Maybe I'll do something. Maybe I'll figure something out. But, you know, I've been washing them. That's so cute. He's my God.

I love that you let him sleep in the bed with you. My guy. All right. Last question. From Casey or Cassie, what are some adjectives? describe how you want others to feel in your presence? There's only one.

And I'll always do a good job of it, but safe. Like, I just, like, is, it's like, I really never felt that around people. I always felt I had to, like,

be something, you know? Who, who? Fans gonna say something. Fans gonna do something. Van's gonna be something. Even around my dad, I always felt had to be on my, best behavior. I didn't feel

you know. So when you're around me, I just, and I'll do a good job of it with a lot of people with people sometimes I've done things to counteract that, but I just want people to, I want people to feel safe. That's a great one. I guess mine is

kind of like that. I don't know what the adjective is, but I want them to feel like they can be themselves. Right. Right. So whatever that is, open, honest. I don't know which which average I want to use for that, but I want you to feel like you can be yourself. It's amazing. We got to go.

Look, I'm looking at the shelf behind you. Is that a golden calf right there? It's so funny that it looks like that. I thought that to myself as well. Wow. Jesus Christ. It is an elephant. Okay, because the Delta stuff.

I'm going to be honest with you. It does look like a golden calf. My mom gave this to me. That's so funny. it looks like it does. Maybe I should move it to the other side. So it's not the first thing people say. Or maybe you should turn the elephant so you can see his trunk because like I'm looking over there like Rachel got herself a little golden cow. It still looks like the cat. There's no way it does it. It looks like it. Oh, it looks more kaffy. It looks more kaffy that way. Now it looks like the elephant.

Yeah. Maybe yeah, maybe but that looks because now you got his ass showing elephant twerking. All right. Do you have a little bit of a week? No, no. I do. Oh, good. Aaron Rogers. Van. I'll tell you why.

Aaron Rogers for Kyrie Irvin. No one has helped Kyrie Irvin this week more than Aaron Rogers. That's true. Aaron Rogers is the unexpected ally of the week only to Kyrie Irvin. All right. Other than that, it's stupid, irresponsible. dangerous, and I hope they bring the hammer down on Aaron Rogers and the Green Bay Packers. I say forfeit the games and suspend the quarterback.

Rachel, we're out of here. Take your thinking caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen Jr. the Mac Man. Okay. And I'm Rachel Lynn Lindsay. Bye, guys.