Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Amber Rose in-studio, and the Sesame Place Situation

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

Van and Rachel discuss the Sesame Place backlash following a video of a character ignoring Black children (22:30) before welcoming model, author, and musician Amber Rose to discuss the arc of her career (38:23). Plus, a pair of prominent members of the church come under fire for questionable comments (1:42:06). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Amber Rose Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Our learning is on. It is Ivan Lathan. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. And we are... We're live. We're live in studio.

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The mat's very gray. I wanted it to be more black. Wanted the mat to be more black. Yeah. So you want two different types of black. Yeah. I want it black and like, Ebony, black and...

Like black and obsidian. So black and black. I know how much you love that word. Obsidian. I went away from jail. I can't do it anymore. I was getting jail manicure. Oh.

You said jail. I heard J-A-I-L. That's right because that's how you do us. I was like, I'm sorry, what? Why? What happened? You have a little shine. I have shine because I got the polish.

but I can't get the jail the jail. The jail cracks off. You should have never gotten the jail. You should have all for what you get because it's more about the upkeep of your nails, right? Right. Than being healthy.

You don't need a gel. You just need to polish. You don't care about the shine of it. They talked me into the jail. Who's they? I mean, the people at the nail place. So I go there and I think I told this this story.

I said I go there and they don't have the shiny buff. They said they're out of the shiny buff. Now, I don't actually understand how they could be out of the shiny buff because the shiny buff is not, a product, as I understand it, it's a process. Okay. They buff you up until it shines.

Absolutely. They said, but we can give you gel and it lasts for three weeks. Mm-hmm. And like the first four or five days of the jail is great. But then for some reason, my jail will be cracking off. We can talk off, Mike, and I can give you my girl, my lady. She's a great. So you're saying that they're doing the jail wrong?

It should not be cracking after four to five days. And I'm a person who's very rough on their nails. I box, though. I'm very rough on my nails. How are you rough on your nails? I just am. So I'm telling you. How are you rough on your nails?

Like for some people, they're just hard. I don't know, whatever it is that I'm doing. They break easily. They peel easily. You got to go to my lady. Who's your lady? Who is she? Her name is Stella.

Shout out to Stella from ESNL. Stella from ESNale. And she's going to, I'm not getting jail anymore, though. She's not show. I'm over that face. I use NextGen, actually. What's that? It's the whole thing.

It's a Japanese gel. It's very great Like these are my nails Those are your nails These are my nails This is not acrylic Oh What was acrylic mean

Like where they put the nail on And they like do a whole process Like some of them Like this one's broken So it is And so you can see But like these are my nails Interesting

She keeps them that way Yeah Yeah she's great It's fantastic You have a very interesting shirt on The periodic table of marble Yeah

How many of these guys do you know? Well, they look different in cartoon form, so I just want to be very clear about that. Okay, so let's play the game. Who's that? Wait. Who's that? With the A on his head? Yeah.

Is that Captain America? It's Captain America. Dane, that's one. Okay, if he didn't have the A, I would have never know. That's him. Who's this? Okay, the Hulk. Great.

That's I recognize. Who's that under Hulk? It looks like the wicked witch of the, of the... Okay, now I want you to really try because it's very easy. This is the Hulk, and who is that under the Hulk? Wonder Woman? Wonder Woman is D.C. You're upsetting me.

So, so, so, so, so, I don't know a woman and Marvel. Is that easy? This person has a show coming out on Disney Plus next month. Black Widow? No, look at the person. I am. She's green. She's, okay, so this is the Hulk and this is.

Venom? Are you fucking with me right now? No, I'm not. I'm not. I need you to understand this. This is not basic knowledge. What I'm saying is, wait, I'm giving you clues, though. No, you're not.

I don't know who has a show coming out. This is the Hulk. Yeah. Green. Okay. This is under the Hulk. What is she called? She Hulk?

Boom. How did you get that? Yeah, she Hulk. I've never heard of her in my life. You did, because why would you say she-hawk? You could have said Lady Hulk. Well, no. Because if anybody's watching the video, the picture is a green woman under Hulk.

So, if he's a he, then. She's a she. Yeah. Okay, who's that? Oh. Who's this right here? Venom? It's Iron Man.

Why does he look like? That's not how the Iron Man looks. How about this? Venom is not on this bitch. Don't say Venom again. All right, the audio people don't like this bit. We're going to do a couple more. So obviously you know who that is.

Spider-Man, yes. Okay. Okay, do you know who that is? Well, the name I was going to say is a DC character, so I'm not. No, you can't say that. It's a daredevil. That's Dr. Strange. That's, ooh.

Thor, Thor. That's Thor. That's Thor. That's Hawkeye. That's who? There's two black people. Who are they? That's Luke Cage.

That's Falcon. So that's Anthony Mackey's character right there. This is actually Venom. I just looked over there. Okay, so you tried to call me out. I knew Venom was around here somewhere. I don't know who any of the rest of this people are. It's very...

Oh, you know who that guy is? Black Panther. Black Panther. Thank you very much, Rachel. God damn it, that was hard. But he's blue on your shirt. I just want to be clear. Sometimes when they draw him, he's...

He's a little more blue. Okay. He looks blue. What did you do this weekend? I actually had a really good weekend. So I was at a gala on Saturday night for the Marcus Graham Project. What's that? Marcus Graham from Boomerang?

Yes. And it's all about, so a couple of family friends of mine, I've known them forever. They're friends with my sister, but I grew up with them. They started this organization where they have all these interns that they filter them into different companies, big companies, where they have jobs as, you know, like in the marketing side of things, brand managers,

and they get to intern and they go on and they do things within these organizations. So it's been going on as the 15-year anniversary. And they did it because they based it off of Marcus Graham from Boomerang because that, if anybody's seen the movie, it's this agency that's black-owned. But in real life, statistically,

black people don't live in these spaces. So they started this organization to help young black adults who have a desire to get into this field get there. And 15 years later, here we are. And it was at Paramount Studios right in front of the fountain outside. It was a beautiful thing. Fonsworth Bentley was the host. He did a fantastic, it's not easy to host. He did a fantastic job hosting.

And it was really beautiful to see the impact that they've had because so many alums came through. Like who? I mean, they're not famous, but they were alums of the program. So they haven't made it yet. Well, they have in their industries. You have people working for McDonald's. You had people working for LVMH. They had people, mm-mm.

Calvin from McDonald's, Calvin is one of the Marcus Graham? It wasn't Calvin. Wouldn't that be great if I'm like, I found Calvin, y'all. It wasn't Calvin. We don't talk about Calvin. We don't talk about him enough, what he should, his impact. Yeah. But it was really a beautiful thing to see what these two people who I've known forever have done.

And so then on Sunday I hosted a panel We went to the Paramount Theater on the lot We watched Boomerang And then we talked about the cultural impact Then also some of the themes within the movie Of like You know Some of it is beautiful to see

Black people in their success We talked about the LA Times article That was written that Yeah we talked about it We did the rewatchables For Boomerang we discussed Did y'all do rewatchables? Yeah we did

Y'all didn't have me on This was a movie I could actually do No man we It's too much of a gamble with you It's this was, but y'all should try me and you know I'm a Robin Givens look alike. You know I'm a Robin Givens look alike. We talked about it.

It was brought up. Like, can't do it though. It's too much of a gamble. Like, hey, Rachel, you want to come do the color purple rewatchables? Never saw. And I could have done that. I could have done that. It's too much of a gamble.

But y'all watch Boomerang. I feel a certain way. All of these. All you rewatchable people, I feel a certain way. There's no way you can feel in any way. You did it. Nope. You could have spoke on my behalf.

There's no way to know what you've seen. Like you, this is a game that I'm not playing anymore. Did you do it? No, did I do what? The rewatchables for this. I was on it, yeah. It was me and Bill and I think Wesley Morris.

I blame you and I'm gonna go on record. I blame Bill. I blame Bill. I'm mad at Bill for this. But how are we, you haven't seen any movie. You should try me. No, I haven't seen like Marvels and D.C. This is a black movie.

That's not true. You haven't seen Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. I have now. This is a black. You see Love Jones? I did, yes. and I did interview Keanu Reeves last week as well. What is he got coming out?

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I'm over 800 now. I'm the man. I'm the man. I'm not. I'm telling you all right now I'm not. I'm the man. Look, it just came through, man. Shout out to credit karma.

No ad read. For keeping me straight. I've been looking at it. It's really Kalika. Like, I've been... Oh, I know. I know that. I've been looking at it.

I've been looking through it. I've opened up several different credit cards. I've paid them all off. Okay. I'm doing my thing. I've got credit. Congratulations to you. That's a beautiful thing.

Anybody who listens to this podcast knows that I have law school loans and I will not hit it anytime soon. You have law school loans so that's bad on your credit because you're not paying them? It's considered good credit, but at the moment I don't have to pay them right now because all of our loans are in forbearance. So what else? So finished your beautiful situation about the Marcus Graham project. Did moderated a panel where we talked about the different themes in the movie, how groundbreaking it was, how people as beautiful as it was and it was a celebration of blackness and success. and professionalism and showed that we aren't monolithic.

There were articles that were written that talked about us in a very negative way. Right. And said it was, quote, a reverse world, as if it wasn't realistic, as if there weren't these black-owned companies out there making millions

and some billions of dollars. So we talked about that. We talked about some of the themes if this movie came out now after the Me Too movement. You know, the way women are portrayed in the movie isn't always in the most positive life. Like when?

Like... the way Eddie Murphy treats women the entire time, the way he objectifies them in the movie. A win? They're literally, I literally just saw it so I can point out specific things. Like the fact that he questions Jacqueline who plays Robin Givens the moment he meets her,

so he tries to hit on her. And then he finds out they're working for the same company. And then he immediately assumes that she is not his taking the role over him. But that, to me, and the film is actually, I feel the film is progressive in that nature.

No, no, no, it's progressive because she is but it's not progressive in his thought. It's not progressive. Homophobia is an issue in the movie. In the movie, the way that Martin talks about women, the way, it's a... Okay, so this is my problem with this. Okay.

That shit is real. It's not that it's not real. It's just in a different time. 30 years later. So the movie came out 30 years ago, 30 years later, how would the movie be different? And if you're questioning that, Lena Waite did a whole series on BET.

I know my man was in it. And it like kind of fixed some of those problematic areas in the way women were objectified. Even the woman that he goes after a Jacqueline in the movie, right? He's going after her. She's sexy. She's in control. She flips the script on him,

which is a beautiful thing to see. But the woman that he gets with is the woman who's softer. Not by the end? Yes, because she takes him back. And in 30 years from now, something back what you mean? 30 years from now, Angela wouldn't have taken him back. See, let me... 30 years from now, Angela would not have a problem with this.

So Angela's Halliberry in the movie. Just for people who have never seen Boomerang, if you have not seen it, you should see it. Jacqueline is the boss. She's powerful. She doesn't allow herself to be controlled by certain stereotypes. She's sexual. She watches sports. She drinks beer. She can outdo him and everything that he does. Yes, she is very not what a woman was defined as in 19. In 1992.

Yeah. Hallie Berry is the complete opposite of her. She's the nice girl. She is even like, they're afraid she's going to be taken advantage of. She's just, and he basically uses her in the movie. He doesn't use her. Yes, he does. To get back because as soon as, as.

You are, this is wild. As soon as, okay. He doesn't use Hallie Barry's character at all. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert, because I really want to explain it because I feel like most of our audience probably hasn't seen the movie. Okay. Spoiler alert.

In the movie, Jacqueline basically is like, we work together, stop getting so emotional, stop getting so attached. She basically breaks down this image that he has of himself, that he's this player,

he can get any woman that he wants, and he can, but she breaks that down and kind of calls him out. So his reputation at the office goes from being this charming womanizer to like this sad puppy. Yeah.

So he starts dating Angela, Hallie Berry, who's the nice girl. in all of this, right? And he gets with Angela and they have a great time and they're really compatible and he kind of eases his pain

through his relationship with Angela because the moment that Jacqueline Robin Givens is ready to take him back, he jumps right back into it and he kicks Angela to the curb. No, he doesn't. Yes, he does. Let me tell you something.

I literally just watched it twice in the last 24 hours. Let me tell you something. This is so indicative of the different way that we see this movie. Number one, he actually doesn't kick Angela to the curve. She leaves him.

She leaves him because... Because he sleeps with Jacqueline. He sleeps with Jacqueline, right? And so this is my point. This movie is ridiculously progressive. It is. Boomerang in a lot of ways. The prank is ridiculously correct.

In a lot of ways. Number one, it is taking aim at toxic masculinity and the fact that men feel like they have to control women in love and in other situations. Marcus Graham doesn't have any control in the movie from the moment that Jacqueline comes into the movie. He doesn't even have control with Angela. Yes, he does.

No, he doesn't. He doesn't even have control with Angela. The reason why he doesn't have control with Angela, because Angela ends up being the woman that he truly loves. So when Angela, when Angela, he's with Jacqueline, the second time he goes, I can't do this. Like, I'm in love with her. I can't do it.

He can't control himself. Jacqueline brings him down. And then Angela brings him down. He gets broken down twice. Was there a woman recapping the rewatchables episode with you guys? There was not. But let me tell you. Bill.

Bill. Bill. Bill. This is, we need to do a part two. should have had the theme of womenhood is so prominent in this film that you should have had a woman's opinion on this one. I got to say. Actually, I would say that there's not that much womanhood in the movie. The movie is about, I don't think so at all. I think it's a very male movie, but it's a movie that subverts that. There's not really a female lead in Boomerane. Are you kidding me?

Not really. Are you kidding me? That's not really. The movie is so much about my. is the lead, absolutely. But you can't have the movie without having a Jacqueline. And like you split almost the lead role between Jacqueline and Hallie. Or Robin Givens and Hallie. And so they're like you can't have the movie

without them. They are lead roles. But then like he's working for Lady Eloise, which is a woman on. You've got Grace Jones in there. Oh, the movie has a lot. To that point, you are awkward. There are a lot of women

who are running this movie. And Marcus is kind of in a woman's world. And that's why it's progressive because there's so many women in the office. He is a, he is a man in this. And yes, he's in control, but he's also, but women are running the show. Women are calling the shots. Yeah. And so I think that's what makes this movie so progressive and that's what makes it so great.

But at the same time, there are some things that are very problematic. Anyways, so off on this. We should have done, we should, some. I actually think... No, what, we'll do a higher learning watch. You know what, Bill? We said it before. We're going to start doing a higher learning.

We're going to do our own rewatch. Once a month, we absolutely should. And then because I, anybody who... So look, obviously there's some... This is the living color era of comedy, right? Yeah. So obviously there were jokes that would be appropriate for 1992, 1993 that are appropriate now.

However, however, I should say that in my opinion, going back and watching the movie, I was actually blown away. by just how progressive and forward thinking the movie was it was very subversive to a lot of it's why y'all should have had a woman in the room who could have given you some of the other side of it

I absolutely think the movie is progressive but we talked about that and we talked about you know like black people and professionalism and all of that and it was a beautiful conversation and some of the people on that panel shout out to them Heather Woodard she is director of communications with McDonald's we had We had De Tavio, CEO of Revolt.

We had Dalyne Goff, who is taking over Jet Magazine, which made me think of a question for you. And we had Diane Sharp Parks, who is the daughter of Bill Parks, who is Marcus Graham, basically, in real life. So it was a beautiful panel that I got to moderate and have the discussions that we're having now. We were able to have on that panel and then talk to some of these young adults

who are in this industry. And it really was just powerful. Like I walked away and I was like This is so beautiful to see what happens When we come together And how many people were watching the movie Probably like 50 And y'all all sitting in there together

Watching them fuck And then we all Yeah They fucking in the movie Yeah we did yeah we did So y'all in the other watching the love scene And then y'all We did I don't know what you want me to say to that

But we did Yeah But it made me think of So it was really cool to talk to Zaylan Gough Because he's bringing Jep back To a whole new generation page 43. Yeah.

And so I thought, I was like, I want to talk about this on the podcast of Jet was extremely meaningful in my life. If you guys don't know, Jet Magazine, it came out. I don't even know when it started, but it was, it's such a thing. I don't even know what the word to use in the black community. And I know as a kid for me. Staple. Staple.

Thank you. Staple in the black community. It's a small magazine. It like fits in your hand. I don't, I don't know of any other magazine. is the same size as a Jet Magazine. Maybe a Reader's Digest, maybe? Okay, all right, shoot.

I guess there are some of Reader's Digest. But for me, it meant so much my parents, I went to a predominantly white school. My parents subscribed to Ebony and they subscribed to Jet. That's how you learned about black people. And honestly, it was. And, I mean, not just, not just, I shouldn't say it like that, but it was key.

Rachel, it's 530, it's time to read Jet Magazine. It was key to staying. It was just called an Afro. The key to staying on point with what was happening in the culture. So obviously my parents and church and my neighborhood were all black. And they did exactly what they were supposed to do. But it was cool to see Beauty of the Week. It was cool to see the top songs and albums on the back page.

It was cool to see, you know, black love. You had the wedding announcements. You had people on the cover. You had different stories. And so it was very key to what was happening in the culture on a week. And it was like a question on the front page. is Bill Cosby the dad of America? Like is Michael Jackson the greatest of all time?

Michael Jackson on there. What did it mean to you? Oh, it's Beauty the Week. Page 43. To be honest with you, at the point that I... Did you cut them out and put them on your wall? No, I didn't cut them out.

At the point that the Jet beauty, that I realized that it had the beauty of the week, the rest of the Jet really didn't. Turn right to a Beauty to the Week. Who is it? Where is she from? What is she like to do? she's from D.C.

Oh, she's from Tallahassee, Florida. She went to FAMU. Oh, you know, it's interesting as Jeff comes back out. They have to rethink that kind of thing. They're not going to do beauty. I don't know. It's a different day and age. It's like, what is beauty?

Before you could do that. And it was just, which also I think about Boomerang, there's certain things that you accept because you were so happy that you were having this moment. You know, Boomerang had the largest budget of any black film at its time. And it went on to be wildly successful. Yeah.

Staple in the culture. At the time. At the time, you know, that was unheard of, which is why it's so iconic in such a landmark moment. I think with the same thing with Beauty of the Week. We saw, you saw, you didn't see black women in that way, in bikinis and their beauty being celebrated and put out in such a public way.

In 2022, somebody's going to find a problem with it. Yeah, I mean, you'll find a problem with everything. You guys find a problem with the movie. You guys. When he says you guys, he means women. You women, you women, have a problem with it. I didn't say that. I'm sick on this goddamn complaining.

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Ask your doctor about trimfaya. Tap this ad to learn more about trimfaya, including important safety information. Okay, big deal of today. I'm sure you guys have heard of the story. Sesame Place in Philadelphia is being called out. There's a mother of two, two little kids. And it's claiming that one of the theme parks employees that was dressed up as Rosita, shunned her black daughters.

The video shared by the woman, her name is Jody, shows her two daughters excitedly watching characters parade through the theme park in Philadelphia. We're going to play the video for you right now if you're watching. If you're listening to us,

we need you to go and look at the video where the two women see the character, they try to get a high-five, two little black girls, try to get a high-five, waved off by Rosita. First of all, it wasn't even just a high-five. The little girl was walking up, to Rosita to get a hug.

She's trying to get a hug. It was a lot. No hug. And they tried to get a high five. Boom. Sesame Place came back and said that the Rosita character was responding to somebody who was asking for the kid to be held. Hold my kid.

It was going to, no, I can't do that. But there's another angle where it looks like Rosita walks past them. No hug, no high five. Then walks past them again. These are the little black kids. No hug, no, you didn't see the second angle? Is it the one I sent in the crew chat? No, maybe, no, there's the first angle we see when the characters come in like this.

It's the second angle when she walks past them again. No fucking high five. Sesame Place is saying that they're very inclusive and this was a mistake. You watched it, Rachel. Do you think it was a mistake what Roseita did? Excuse my language because we're talking about Sesame Street, but this is fucked up. and it really made me like it really made me

sad to see like it really did because I just keep putting myself in the place of the mother and those two children and this is something maybe the kids when kids are young sometimes they don't realize certain things but maybe it did and this is

something that is going to let's just say that they did realize it it is something that they will remember forever it was so blatant and the fact that something that they'll remember forever if they recognized what was happening. Oh yeah, that they would get that race. Oh, okay, I see what you mean.

If they understood the racism, for the rest of their lives, they're going to be like, you know, one time I went to, yeah. Yeah, and they might not because sometimes things just go over children's heads. But if they did, let's just operate in a world where they understood,

because you saw it on their faces. In the moment, they were hurt. You saw it. They recognized that they were passed over. They were reaching out to this beloved figure to them. and the figure looked down, shook her hand over them, like, nah, nah, nah, nah, and walked away. Right.

Right. And within two seconds before that, though, was, you know, giving high fives and hugs to people. It just, it, like, hurt my heart to see these kids rejected in a certain way. Like, we know as black people that we will be rejected time and time again. and the world will reject us and society will reject us and whatever and we can understand that

and maybe handle a little better as adults but as children to learn that lesson at such a young age and to be rejected in such a public way by somebody you adore

so much is hard. I will remember I'm not going to name the athlete but I was a kid and I was a big fan of this athlete and I play for And I went to a book signing.

What do you play for? And I was so excited to go and my mom went with me. Why do I protect these people? And my mom went with me and I waited, we waited in line for a long time and she did it for me because I was such a sports fan. And when I got up to the line and I had my book, I was, I held my book and I sat it down and I was just like waiting for this individual to make eye contact with me and acknowledge me.

And they signed the book and just passed it down. down, didn't say hello, didn't look at me, and I was seven or eight, and I'll never forget that. And I remember, because I'm dramatic, I took the book, and I threw it away. You're kind of bugging on that. I'm so dramatic. But they didn't, I'm a kid. And being in a position now where people, I am on no means on that person's level, but being in a position where there are people who admire what you do and want acknowledgement, sorry, Van's

laughing at me, but it's true. I actually agree with you. There's just something where I am so tuned in when it's a child. It would have taken a half a second for that person to connect with you and make a memory for, yeah. This was a person who was my hero. Right. And I just, are they still relevant today? And like, and I've seen this person now doing what I do multiple times. You didn't tell them the story? No. Oh, fuck that. No. And I, but my point is, it stood out to me at seven or eight. And so it's, and I think that's why, like, when I saw this, it just hits so hard because they probably will remember that.

Because I remember it when it happened to me, waiting that whole time to see that one person and then they diss you. So it's just, it's just despicable. And the statement from, from Sesame Street is even worse because it's like, you don't know who sits inside of that costume. You don't know what their beliefs are. There are multiple videos now coming out showing this same character dissing other black children. And so it's like, y'all have to be. to do better than this. You just have to acknowledge the fact that you made a mistake in hiring this person who's clearly racist towards

black children. So Sesame plays, the costumes are performers wear sometimes make it difficult to see at lower levels. Fuck that. And sometimes our performers miss hug requests from death. The performer paternity of the Rosita character has confirmed that the no hand gestures

seen several times in the video was not directed to any specific person, whether it was a response, like I said earlier, to multiple requests from someone in crowd who asked Rosita to hold their child portfolio. Okay, but you're not permitted. So good. So here's the thing. I think this is a very important moment. It's an important moment in the life of the kids, of course, like you say, but it's an important moment for us as well.

Because we say shit a lot of times and people think that we're making it up, right? Yes. So we go, we say stuff and people think, come on, man. You're being sensitive. You're being sensitive. So you say stuff like, hey, man, I remember going to Sesame Place, Philadelphia when I was like seven or eight years old and there was this character Rosita

Latin X character like you know Black love brown pride like Suu Puck said we're together I remember trying to get a hug and they hugged all the other white kids but they didn't hug us and I'm still wondering and you say stuff like that years later and people go that's your trauma talking

that's you that's your problem you're making this up And we keep trying to say, yo, we're not making it up. Right. Shit fucking goes down. Now, in this situation, I will say this, Donnie knows. Me and Donnie found something. We found a commercial.

Okay. Okay. And if anyone has seen this commercial, I want people to watch this commercial. If anyone's seen this commercial, I personally think we should have expected this from Sesame Place. Go ahead, Donnie. Come on down a Sesame Place. in place. What are the only little brownies we accept are the ones who came straight from

Betty Crocker, who was a white woman. That's right. As long as your kids have ancestors who own slaves, we're down to play with them and love them up. If not, leave them home because we got mail detectors. Yeah. That's an actual Sesame Place Philadelphia commercial. For anybody who might even watching the footie.

you would have seen Van Mouthing the words to the commercial. Because I watch it so many times. I watch it so many times. Look. Look, there's a lot of people out here. Donnie, you need to stop playing into the things that Van has you to do. So here's the thing, which I don't understand is that. Donnie is like, Donnie is Whitney on this.

every time I come up with a new hairbrain idea for Donnie Donnie's like okay this is what we could do me and Donnie are cooking sucking up we did it earlier that's a real commercial from Sesame Place so look the question now becomes obviously I mean we could talk about the years and years of microaggressions and this is not so much a microaggression as this is

an actual aggressive let's do this so I'll do this let's say that in some realm this is a mistake. Let's just go with that. Let's say in some realm and some... Sure, we can play that.

Let's play that this is a mistake. It doesn't change what Sesame Place has to do. Because the thing that's more important than anything here is how the kids feel. These are not adults. Adults, sometimes,

you've got to look at an adult and you got to say, hey, fuck your feelings. with a child, that's not important. With a child, it's important to me, at least, I don't have any children, but I see them in Target and other places. I don't have any children.

But with a child, it's very important that we teach them that their feelings matter. Right. Like we teach them that we're providing the structure for them, a place in the world where their feelings matter where they can express themselves. So these children felt a certain,

way. I don't know if they had enough scar tissue on their brains yet to think racism. You just noticed the sign? 100%. You just noticed the sign? I don't know if they've had enough life experience to say racism. Now they'll feel racism, obviously. And that's another thing that we can talk about in terms of the conversation around this. But Sesame Place has to make sure that these kids know that they're welcome there. And that other little black and brown kids know that they're welcome there too. It is not something unfair for this company to have to do. It's their job to be welcoming to children.

These two children were put in a situation where they don't feel welcome. The question now becomes, Sesame Place, beyond statements defending yourself, what are you prepared to do to make these kids feel welcome? Yeah. I said, really, they should blow the whole fucking budget on them. they want to come back to Sesame Sesame Place. They should be able

to stay in Sesame. They should be able to go Sesame fucking crazy. Because this, I'm not taking... Look, nigga, I'm at the end of my rope. I'm not taking racism from Sesame Street. I'm not accepting it. We shouldn't. We've accepted racism a lot of places, let's be honest, man.

The fucking Waffle House. You know, all kinds of... I can't... I'm not fucking taking it from fucking Big Bird. Y'all going to get right. If Sesame Place don't make this right, it's foot on the neck of Sesame Place for as long as it has to be. This has to be.

Now, these are the children. We need their brains to form right. Well, it's just so opposite from what Sesame Street stands for. And I guess it was what made this whole situation blow up even more. Obviously, the act of it is ridiculous. But the response from Sesame Street was so

uns Sesame Street-like. You're throwing the whole street in. Is it not the whole thing? Is it not the same thing? Whoa. Your commercial had Sesame Street, Rendez. It had Sesame Place. Oscar de Grouch had nothing to do with this.

And neither of this. So Sesame Place is everything. Sesame Place is a theme park that Sesame Street themed. Okay, it's the same thing. I don't have time for this. I didn't watch it. I'm very honest, y'all. I didn't grow up watching Sesame Street.

I'm not into the characters. You know, man, what's up with your parents, man? I find Muppets and Puppets very disturbing. Did you watch Fraggle Rock? And I found it terrifying. My sister, my older sister, watch it. I'm familiar with, I don't watch. Alf, I don't like that stuff.

I find it extremely disturbing. Alf was different. Alf was, I find it. I've had a sex addition. Okay, I don't know enough about it to speak on that. It's all, I want to see it in an animated space. I don't want to see the puppets. I'm just very bothered by it.

Anyways, it's very anti-whatever you want to call it. What's the, so I said, Sesame Place? It's very anti-Sasemey place. So to me, this was a no-brainer, and it should have been very, easy for Sesame Place to say we are not, we are going to investigate what happened with that person in that

costume, because you're talking to adults now at this point. You don't have to pretend like Santa Claus is real or that kind of thing. Just say we're going to investigate and we're going to understand what happens. Why are you going so hard trying to defend that individual when it's very obvious what happened in that video from multiple angles

when you don't even know the personal beliefs of that person? To me, it should have been like we're handling it, we're going to take care of it, We're going to reach out to these children. We're going to make it right. And we're going to make sure no other children who looks like them or any other race feels this way again because that's not what Sesame Place represents. Absolutely. This was easy.

It's easy fix. And by the way, it's just, like we said, it's important that we go the extra mile to make little black kids feel welcome in the world. Yes. Like feel welcome in the world. These are two little black kids. They just want to hug these characters that we see. There's two things that they can do. Seriously.

Obviously, two ways that Sesame Place can make this up. One is to open the park up, bring those little kids back out, let them have a good time, get as many hugs as they want. This was a park? I thought it was a parade. I'm so sorry. I thought it was a parade. It looks like a parade in the park.

Okay. You ever go to Think Park before? I have, but I didn't know Sesame Place had its own. But it's, they got parades sometimes that happened in theme parts. All kinds of things happen in theme parks. You're right. You're right. You're right.

You're right. Or there's something else they can do. We can round up. maybe 40, 60 black adults and they can let us go to the park and just beat the fucking shit out of all of the characters Let's go with the former.

Like get our fucking angst out You know while the little girls Like watch they can ride rides And they don't have to say what's up sorry to the little girls They can let us go up there Because I'm ready to go And just let us beat the fuck

Because I tell you one thing Beating up mascots And seeing them beat up It's hilarious. It's going to be traumatizing for children who look at these people's ears. They're not going to watch us beat up. They're not going to watch us beat them up. I want a piece of Rosita.

I'm not going to lie. Like for me, I don't know who's in there, but hopefully it's not a lady. But if it's a lady, I'll get Ebony on. I was going to say, or me. Listen, it's hard enough that our children have to face things from human beings, but the fact that now they have to deal with different fictionalized characters is what makes this whole thing worse.

We'll see what Sesame Place does. obviously what Sesame Place has said now is not going to work. Got to go a little bit further. You got to saw the commercial. You know that there's a history. So the reality is Sesame Place,

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business. So visit Spectrum.com slash business to learn more. Restrictions apply. Services not available in all areas. All right, coming up next, guys, we have Amber Rose. We told you we would have Amber Rose on the podcast. Amber Rose is going to join us on higher learning. I'm picking the polish off of my nails. No, please stop doing that. It bugs me because then you shouldn't do it. It's a waste. You shouldn't take this time to put it.

It's not coming off. It's coming off because you're picking it off. It's not, it's coming off. Anyways, can we get to Amber. We got Amber Rose. You guys, welcome to Higher Learning. Again, we have Amber Rose joining us right now, higher learning.

Yay! She's just walking the building. Do you know you are our first in-person guest? Yes. Really? Yes. It's all been Zoom since before you, before now. Oh, right.

Yeah, I follow you guys. Yeah. What are the shoes? Tell me. Vettamont. What's that? Like a designer brand. But I don't even, how can it be something that you have and I don't even know about it?

Because you're wearing a periodic table of Marvel t-shirt. So I think people know that fashion is not your forte. You just fucked off with me for no reason. I'm just pointing out of it. You can't be great to everything, Van. That's not your thing. It's fine. Amber, what's going on?

How are you doing? I'm doing really, really good. How are you? I'm good. What is good for Amber Rose? Happy. Yay. Yeah.

Happy is a wonderful thing. And healthy. Happy and healthy. Yeah. What's been key for you to get to that place? Because so many people are aspiring, self-included. Like some days I'm happy, some days I'm not always healthy. Because I have a feeling when you say that, you mean mentally.

and physically. So if you can talk about your road to get in there. Yeah, I feel like in order for me to get where I am now, I had to really just be exactly who I am up here. And when, you know, for non-famous people, it's hard. So for famous people, it's even harder, right? because you have like this persona or or I don't know, the perception of who people think you are. And you try to live up to that.

And then I just got to the point where I was just like, you know, I just got to be me. I got to do whatever makes me happy. And that's what I'm going to do. And I just start doing that. I mean, I know it sounds simple, but no. I really start doing that unapologetically. Can I ask a follow up really quickly? Was that scary for you to do?

Yes and no, because I've always been like Amber. And then when I became famous, that's when all the shit started. You know, it was like, you have to dress like this. You have to say things like this. You have to be super politically correct. Who told you these things, Amber? Just the inner circles. Yeah, they, basically.

Yeah. Yeah. And then like, you know, you get like a publicist. And then you're just like, yo, that's not who I am. Why do I have to fucking act like I'm somebody that I'm not? And it became very frustrating for a long time. Why do you think you're famous? I'll say something.

When I was in Philly, I would get on the bus and people were asking for an autograph. I swear to God, on my children. And I was just a regular girl from South Lily. This was before. This was when I was 16 years old. Oh, wow. And I lie to you not. I am not exaggerating.

I'm not saying this with any ego. I swear to God, people would ask me for my autograph and they would be like, you're going to be somebody one day. You look famous. You look. I don't know. To answer that question, I don't know. What like

Hold on I have a follow-up to that Sure go for it So because it's funny I did an interview earlier I had a lot of interviews today I So like there was no one before me

To say Oh I want to be like that girl And take these steps to get to where she's at Either they were a singer Or an actress Right Or had talent Yeah yeah yeah right

So when I got into the entertainment business, it was literally an accident. Right. Right. So I guess for me is, so you don't know, what do you feel like the significance of your fame is? The significance of my fame. I don't know, man. I mean, I can honestly say it. Like, you're saying initially?

No, I mean, so. So like, if, like, people are famous for all kinds of reasons, right? normally when somebody gets like this type of notoriety, it's like, like they, like, for example. What are you famous for? What am I famous for? Really? I got something in common with Amber. I know.

I know. That's what I'm famous for is like a moment that inspired a lot of people. I was on TV before that, but I had a moment with, you know, this guy that we know. And it inspired a lot of people. And from then, I was given a platform. I feel like the significance of that. I disagree. You disagree.

I knew you way before that. I know. A lot of people did, though. Yeah, I think, but I think that, you know, it turned a corner then, you know? Yeah, but you can say that about anyone, right? So everyone that's famous, whether they're, you know, Uber, Uber famous, they had the one director that was like, I want you to be in the mood. So everything is a stepping stone in life. We don't owe people our lives because if we sustain that,

that's us. Right. You understand what I'm saying? So there's people that come and go, but if you have a voice and a platform and you decide to, you know, stay with it and be able to talk to people and have communications with people, like, that's a talent in itself. Yeah. I was telling somebody that you were coming on the podcast because I was excited about it. And they said, well, she's like the first influencer. I don't consider herself.

Like, I don't know because when I think of an influencer, I think of somebody who's on social media, just like posting pictures. But to me, you, because you were the first in what you did in so many ways, I saw you more than that. Yes, sure, you influence people and a culture and maybe like a school of thought.

But I didn't look at you as an influencer. Do you see yourself in that way? I'm not going to hear off. But no, I mean, but like, I guess I looked. For sure. Right. But I guess I was looking at, I'm boxing an influencer, maybe in the terms that we look at it today. I thought you more than that. Do you see, would you call yourself an influencer? An influencer? No, I don't want to be an influencer. Yeah. See? That's how I see it. I just want to be me. And then if you fuck with me and you fuck with the things that I'm saying and you want to follow that, that's cool. If not, I'm cool with that too. Yeah. I don't want to like, I want to be me and you do you. That's it. Yeah.

And if you rock with me, you don't. And if you do, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to say I'm an influencer because then it's like, I don't want to influence people. I just want to be me. And if you fuck with it, then that's cool. Well, then let me piggyback on that because what I have loved what you've done with the slut walk and taking something that people, words and phrases people try to put on you in a negative way. And you took power in and you were like, no, I'm going to take it as this because this is who I am. I'm going to take this negativity and turn it into something else.

I think that's influential. I loved that you did that. Would you consider yourself an influencer in that way? Like what would you describe the movement? It's not that movement. It's still present. Like what you're doing with that. Yeah.

I mean, I feel like the gay community has been doing that for years, you know, fighting against derogatory labels where young teens were committing suicide, getting bullied in school from the F word, you know. It's the same thing. It's homophobia, racism, you know, sexism. It's all in the same realm. So I'm just fighting the good fight for women. But I'm not the first nor will I be the last.

But I'm happy to be a part of it. Let's talk about get your home on. Okay. A couple of things. Yes. I've seen responses across the gamut. All right. Let me just give you all the responses because I'm from Louisiana.

Okay. All right. We take our cash money records very seriously. Yeah, okay. There was homies that hit me up. Like, what the fuck is fresh doing? What the fuck? It's a classic.

It's 22 years old. They need to get over it. Damn, is it 22 years? Yeah, it's 22 years old. That's what makes it a classic. All right, but I mean, come on. Was there any part of you that thought that maybe you should leave a classic, like, get your role on alone? No, I love to piss people off.

That's my thing I do too Why Why make the song What does get your hoe on mean What does it mean to get your hoe on? Get your hoe on means Dance with no shame

Live with no shame Date with no shame And live your best fucking life Because If you don't And you hold back They'll probably call you a hoe anyway So

Don't let it bother you Just get your home on, girl. Live your best life. Girl or guys, what, could guys get their hold on? Everybody. So everybody. It's fluid. It's fluid.

You say everybody gets your horn. So a lot of people would say. I say, all my bitches. You say all my bitches. That's what I say. Okay. So you're talking specifically to women. No, men can be bitches too.

I'm asking, because a lot of people would say that as far as us fellows, we already been getting our whole on. Well, listen, it's like, it's like the argument of like black lives matter. And then people are like, but all, lives matter. It's like, let us have our moment. Y'all do what y'all want to do. Get your ho-on is for the ladies.

And the LGBTQ community. And the LGBTQ community. So let me ask you this. There's a lot of people who think the message is unhealthy because they have a negative connotation. Don't listen. On hoan. Is hoan healthy?

But that's the thing. If you're talking to somebody stupid, right? They're going to say, she's promiscuous she's telling little girls to go out and have sex all day y'all know that's not what I'm saying come on

define define Hohen for the stupid people Hoan is having control of your own body and this political climate we do not even have control of our own body very true why can we not have a song to celebrate us and us be able to do whatever

we want with our bodies. And that's also not having sex and saying no. Not being forced to be with somebody because you feel obligated because you told them to come over and you changed your mind. You know what I'm saying? Don't take get your home on so literally. Like I want you to go outside and, you know, walk up to a car and get money in exchange for sex. Right. It's just some shit I just need y'all enough.

Not y'all. But like just people. It's like, come on. Yeah, it's ridiculous. The lyrics of the song are sexual. Sex. Some. Some wet pussy we slang.

We're sexual beings and that's okay. I agree with you. I'm wondering if you, when you make a song, when you're in there and you're going, I'm going, I'm going make the song get your whole on. If you're thinking about the people's buttons who you need to push in order to get the message out there. Are you knowing that you're going to. fuck with people. Oh, yeah. She's confrontational. I love it so much.

Oh, it just, it makes me like orgasm. When you piss people off, that makes you. Oh, my God. I feel the tingles all over my body. I love it. So everybody this, everybody is, that's I'm not a troll though. Everybody's seems a little trollish. I'm not a troll. But everybody that's like. I'm more masochistic. Is that how you say massistic?

Massac. Like a masoch. Yeah. So you, so what you're saying is, you, You open up your shit, you're on Instagram. I fucking hate Amber Rose and you're like, oh. Yeah. That's exactly how I feel. Getting Manny on the track. Was that a process or was, okay.

I hit him in a DM. I say, yo, let's get your whole one put over, get your roll on beat. He said, that's the best thing I ever fucking heard. Yeah. And then he was like, come down to Houston. He lives in Houston now. He was like, come down to Houston. We were at his house.

We ate. We was in the studio. He was, he reproduced the whole thing. Really? Yep. It is not a loop or, or. I can tell us some difference. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, he reproduced the whole thing. And he was just like this shit. And he even hit me after because there was blogs like, Amber gets torn apart on Twitter. And I went on Twitter. It was like three tweets that said they didn't like it. Every other tweet was like, this shit's a bob. This is hard.

He was like, look, you know, if people ain't talking about you, you ain't doing nothing. Right. So he loved it. He loves it still. He's very happy. Have you ever been embarrassed about anything? Like, so much of your life has been out there. But I get embarrassed about shit that like, like more personal conversations or like personal

shit that I've done. Like, I'll wake up three o'clock in the morning. I'd be like, why the fuck did I do that in 2012? Like what? Like, just, I don't know if I, like, just said something out of turn that was just stupid. And then I would just go home and be like, why the fuck did I say that? So to piggyback on that, do you regret anything that you done? Maybe you didn't embarrass you, but maybe like, like, okay.

I can't really think of anything, no. Yeah. No, everything was a learning experience for me. So this is my, this is my question about get your home on. Is there a sequel? Is do you plan to go back to the well and take another hip hop classic and make it into a sex positive anthem?

Not right now. Are you playing on starting a rap career? My album is done. Your album is done. I was working on my album the last time I talked to you. When you asked me if I was a rapper and I looked over and then I was like, no. What year was this?

This was like 2019 or something. I've been working on my album. for two years. So I remember that. I remember you, I remember going, are you about to, you, because you was dressed like a rapper then. Amber had the velour on. She had to chain. I'm like, I'm like, you're just like a rapper then. I'm like, you're going to start rapping. So you're seriously

going to start rapping now. I literally was rapping back then. But it doesn't matter unless you put the music out, Amber. But she did. She just did. So I'm saying the album's coming out. This is the first single. What's the name of the album? I can't say that right now. Well, give us something. Like features. Maybe what's

the, maybe what's the, the, wait me, what's the Like, just know that this was not an overnight thing. I've been quiet on purpose.

I sat in the studio day and night. I have a good ear. I've A&Red a bunch of amazing projects. You've A&Red a bunch of projects. Oh, yeah. Like, give me an example.

Like, what have you A&O. All my boyfriends, all of them. You've A&Red for all your boyfriends. All of them. You've A&R for Ye. Absolutely. You've A&Red for.

I put Nikki on Monster. I put Nikki on Monster. You could just stop there. You can stop there, right? I put Nikki on Monster. He didn't know who Nikki was back then. I had Nikki pull up to the studio and I put her on Monster. Because you guys were, yeah, I think me, you and that.

You guys were super close at that particular time. Right, but she was still coming up. Yeah. Yeah, she was. And I saw her in the studio. And I said, oh my God, this bitch is fucking talented as hell. And then I went back to Kanye and I was like, you need to get this girl, Nikki on Monster. And he was like, who, what?

No, I'm not, no, mm-mm. And I said, just let her pull up. What's it going to hurt? So he didn't listen to anything that she had done. She just pulled up and like with that verse. Well, she pulled up and we all had a conversation. She heard the song. and then she came back the next day with the verse.

And he almost wanted to take the verse off. Because it was too good. It was too good. He slid on that bitch. Yeah, he told me that the same day. He's like, how the fuck did you bring in a bitch that killed me on my own song? Did you have to convince him to keep the verse on the song? I don't remember that part.

It's a long time ago, man. Very long time ago. I remember that man. I was a young man then. So for Wiz and 21, too, you helped them with their music? Yeah, I feel like if you're in the studio, And you're like, yo, there's this, here's this old song that you should probably get somebody to sample. Or, you know, I don't think you should repeat that line again.

It's just, it's too repetitive. It's just not. Or maybe if you count by numbers, most of those songs work. For your album. Wait. For your album. Wait, when is it dropping? I'm just saying, those are things that I have set.

You've contributed to like... I believe it. Because you're probably in the studio so much. But, Dave, I'm also from South Philly. I grew up in a diner. My mother was a waitress. So I sat, she didn't, we were very poor. They let me have a booth at the restaurant, my little coloring books, and all I heard was music all day long.

So am I attracted to creativity and music? Yes, I am. But I'm also happy now that... I have the means to do it independently. I don't need a 360 deal. I don't need money. I already have my own money. So I, you know, I could put out songs when I want.

I could put out my album when I want. Everything is like mine. Who's your inspiration? Like who, like what rappers are you looking at that you're like maybe inspired by or pull, like when you were sitting in that diner? Like who is it that was influential to you that you're taking and you're putting in your own album. A few people.

Little Kim, Madonna, Eminem, Marilyn Manson, System of a Down. What the fuck? And Rick Ross. You know, I love all of these people, but you, nigga, you all over the place.

That's what makes a difference. My album is John Rubending. So you got some rock on there? I have everything you could ever need in one, man. You feel like you're going to have the album with a year? Is it dropping its 2022? Yeah. Listen, I know my shit is hard.

You know it's hard. 100%. I will bring, I'll let you hear my album outside when we're done. Amber, I want you to be ready for the fact that a lot of people aren't ready for you to come into the rap game. You're going to get a lot of blowback for this. Who cares? She loves it. I've been dealing with that shit for 10 years.

I sleep like a baby. How are you in 80 right now? Good. You good? Yeah. Like, there was some ups and downs. A lot. And now you guys are up again?

Yes, for the most part. Yeah, it's complicated. What does that mean? It's layers. What are the layers? That's a lot of layers, man. What's the layers? It's just personal layers that like, you know, it takes a long time to break all that down.

I will say this I will say this and this is no excuse to hurt people or break hearts or be a fucking asshole right but a lot of men and I've noticed this

throughout the years black white Asian Spanish don't matter a lot of men don't have positive male role models in their lives growing up right and it it affects them in ways that is detrimental

to like their mind and their body and their outside world and their friends and everything just they don't know how to keep it together because they never had a man that said this is how it's supposed to be. So I'm all for guys and this is another misconception about me. I've heard people say, well, like, you don't want guys to get their hoe on, but like girls can. but it's like, no, I want guys to get their hoe on. But be a compassionate ho.

I'm a compassionate ho. I don't fuck marry men and men in relationships and men with babies on the way and all that. I don't do shit like that. Right, right. Be a compassionate hoe. A hoe with morals. That's what she said.

What's compassionate hoeing? Tell us what compassionate hoeing. It's like, you know, if you want to live your best life and do what you want with your body, that is okay, but don't hurt people. Be a good person. That's it.

I'm a good person. I don't hurt people, man. I don't. I don't cheat. I don't lie. If I'm done with a relationship, I'm honest about it. I don't go out and find somebody new before I leave that person. Like, I'm just, you know, so I feel like it not only with A.E., my baby daddy, most of my relationships, most men in general, I have brothers.

I have sons. It's a sausage party at my house. every day. I'm the only girl. You know, my security, my assistant, my team, they're all men. So I have a lot of these conversations. Lyrically, when we see you, I mean, like you set the album's done, but lyrically, when we get to hear these songs, will you tap into not just the misconceptions that people have of you, but maybe like a side of you that people don't normally get to see? Will you go there? Musically, I mean, I just do what feels right in that moment.

So I don't really I feel like I'm an open book I mean there's not much else to really know about me I'm pretty open Yeah You know what I mean

I worked at the office So I know it all Yeah But I think like maybe the things people don't know About you right Like not what they see on social Not what they watch Like when you're at home

You know what I mean And you're with the kids And it's like the stuff that people don't see Like will you maybe tap into that when they may be because I feel like people think they know you but they maybe necessarily don't. They definitely do not know.

Yeah. So I'm saying well we get that probably not. Okay. I want nobody in my house. What don't they know? How you are about like what? Like what did this?

What's the see? You're so open. What are the secrets that Amber Rose keeps? I'm allergic to cilantro. Oh no. Yeah. What like? I like to sleep with socks on.

No. And my pants tucked in my socks. Oh, nigga, you weird. And hot. No, I literally have to. I will not sleep all night. I will be up all night if I don't have my pants tucked into my socks. First of all.

I will not sleep naked either. I don't give a fuck. So let's talk about this real quick. There's some secrets about me. I've recently discovered sleeping naked. How do you recently discover this? Was it a hot? How says an accident?

So listen, it was hot. and I'm like, fuck it. It's actually very liberating, Amber. I couldn't sleep with full pants on. You got to at least have shorts. I can't sleep the socks on. I would never sleep in shorts or just underwear or just naked. I will not.

I need, I have full pajama sets. Like full on matching sets with the socks. This might be personal, but like, let's say you're intimate with someone and you fall asleep. I don't. Oh, okay. You don't fall asleep. So it's like, I mean, you say it intimate. I'm just going to say fucking.

So if you're in a situation, you guys are fucking, you're having sex. Yeah. You can't just fall asleep. You're not. Naked? Yes. No. You're going to get up and you're going to go put something on.

I'm a wash up. I'm a, you know, feel clean. What's the wash up situation? Like, what do you do? I'm probably just a quick shower. Take a shower. I'm going to assume that I would probably get in the shower before. I'm very clean with my body.

Yeah. And then put on my pajamas and tuck my socks into my pants and my socks. Now, if you're at his house. I will probably pack a bag with my pajamas and my hat. You already know it's go time. Listen, I will not sleep. I refuse to sleep uncomfortably. I won't do it.

I'm like in shock. I would be so, I feel like I'm suffocating with socks on. Have to. And I can't have a break between my pants and my socks. Why? I will wake up in one second. So you have to feel, you have to feel a complete. So you got to think, okay, so I grew up with a black mom, single mom.

Rachel, Rachel, did Rachel say you ain't black? I said I did not know that. He had to educate me. Let's keep it all the way. I'm white passing. You probably get that a lot. In my defense, I literally go. I literally said, no, I'm very, I literally was like, no, she's not.

She's white. I flat out said that. I had no idea. I am white passing. But you're black. Yes. And I had no idea. Well, I have a white father.

I had no idea. He had to educate me. Yeah. But you don't talk to the white father? Yeah. Oh, you talk to him? Yeah, I talk to my dad. I love my dad.

So what does he teach you? Does he teach you about whiteness? He don't teach me about whiteness. He doesn't tell you like, hey. Well, my dad has three children of color. My dad is not a regular white guy. Your dad's a dark shark. He likes a little bit.

I've never heard the thing. He's a dark shark. He's a dark shark. He likes a little chocolate. Yeah. Well, my stepmom is from Panama, but she's black. Yeah. Like, Afro-Latina.

Yes. What is, I never hear about your dad. Like, we've never, like, we talked about your mom the last time. I never heard about your dad. What's his thing? Well, this might contradict what I did. Tell us about your father, because a lot of people would look and they would say, does Amber Rose have father issues?

Because anytime a woman is down with the hoeing, they go, oh, my God. Do not have daddy issues. She must have an issue with her dad. Tell us about your father. So the reason why it's difficult for me to explain is that me and my mother had a really great relationship growing up. And I was going to say my mother always tucked me in and tucked my feet under. And she was very like, made sure I was warm.

So now I-security. Yeah, that's my security. So my socks and my pants are my security. That makes sense. So, but, yeah, I feel like my mom made mistakes, and I'm not mad at her for that. Most of my life, my mom said my dad really didn't give a fuck about me. And he did. But he was in the military.

He was gone a lot. And so when I, when I, my mom and dad got divorced when I was six. And then I went to live with him in Colorado for one year when I was 12. And I had no respect for him because all I heard my whole life was your dad ain't shit, fuck him, you know. And so I was like, you ain't shit. And I was just disrespectful, little ghetto-ass bitch. And as I got older, me and my dad got a lot closer. Hence why, you know, people would be like, well, if she had a dad, then why she's a stripper and why I was, you know, poor in the neighborhood with her mom and Philly.

So that's kind of how it all went down. My dad definitely tried his best to be around as much as he could, but he was always shipped off to Germany or Norway or Panama, where my step, we met my stepmom 30 years ago. So, yeah, so now we are very close. The whole family? No, I go see my dad separate and I see my mom separate.

Oh, yeah, but you're close with both of them, I mean. My mom and dad, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How are the kids? Wonderful. Getting big.

How old is? How old is? Nine. Damn. Damn. I know. And slash will be three in October. God.

Damn. What the fuck? Like nine. It's like he's going to college tomorrow. What does he want to be? Like, does he want to be in music? Does he like talk about that now? Does, you know, my kids are very interesting like their mother.

They're very, very interesting kids. So we're all genetically, and I'm telling you this is genetic, okay? I'm obsessed with gore, like full on, like blood, guts, brain splattered. Amber, what's up with you, man? Those are the type. I'm not white size. I've been knowing you. And people will say stuff, I'll be like, yeah, I don't know, Amber.

I'm starting to believe what they said. You had. You wanted to know personal things about me. No, come on. Keep going. I like scary. I like horror stuff. So this doesn't bother me.

I'm a very eclectic person. So, yeah, I like shit like that. Both of my kids came out same way. I didn't introduce them to nothing. They just love it. So we have all fake blood that we, like, just put all over our faces, and we run around the house like zombies and Slash is obsessed with skeletons, human anatomy, organs.

He has all the little jelly organs and stuff. Ghost, goblins, and zombies. I think it's. cute all day though like it's like Halloween all year around all day uh I have no thoughts look yeah you can't say shit I have no thoughts I mean like for me I was scared of that type of shit I was very afraid of Freddy Kruger and all of that type of shit Freddy's pretty scary he's very scary I have not watched Freddie with bash yet but we watched Chuckie and you know shit like Chuck he's funny because Chuckie's funny though yeah it's a bitch but like Freddie looked like

Freddy was terrifying and Freddie looked like he they everybody listens to a podcast knows this. Rachel actually showed up on Halloween as Freddy and freaked me to fuck out. I love scary stuff. Like, Freddie is having a good time slashing your shit up.

Yeah. Well, my favorite part is when he killed Tina in the bed when she was like going up the wall. Yeah, you're talking about Nightmare Island Street to Dream Warriors. Yeah, maybe.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know my trauma. Okay. You recently came out talking to about that you don't believe in God.

Yes. Can you talk? Because we talk, we talk into religion a little bit on the podcast. We talk about our, we, I'm going to pray for you. I don't need your prayers, but thank you. Where, where, like, how did you grow up in that way? Is that something like you came to? I was baptized Catholic when I was born.

My mother is Cape Verdean, she's West African. They're mostly Catholics over there from colonizers. Yeah. And my dad is Irish and Italian, which is very Catholic. And then my mom got back into church later. And then I got re-baptized as a born-again Christian. I was like 10, I guess. And then I just had a bunch of questions.

Like I had a Mohawk when Mohawks were not cool before Puff had his Mohawk. And I went to church one day with a moth. hawk and it was just like why is your daughter have a mowah this is da-da-la-la-la-la-ha and I just felt like shamed and I was very young I was like really into like heavy metal shit like Pantara and

Metallica and shit. Slayer. And you like Slayer? And yeah they just I just felt like weird about it and I was just like they're fucking judgy as hell I don't want to go to church and then as I got older you know I got more logical and realistic

like, okay, those are those people. I'm not going to take it out on just people that were just mean. But then I just started feeling like I just start really getting into science and evolution and Big Bang theory. I like Buddhism. Buddhism. More of a philosophy than a religion. I like that. I like to meditate and stuff.

You know what's interesting about God? Yeah. He believes in you, Amber. Oh, God. It doesn't matter. Somewhere right now, God is up there. He's going like crazy, Amber. I'm going to keep working.

You know, you know what's crazy after that came out? All the Christian Jesus freaks said I'm going to burn in him. Of course they did. I know. We talk about it. This is why. I don't talk with y'all. We talk about it.

Like, we both come from Christian backgrounds. we believe in God, but Christians make other Christians look crazy. And so I'm not shocked when someone says what you say because I get it because I know how it is on the other side. Like I've been attacked for certain things that I've done. And I'm like, you guys, I'm one of you. Well, yeah. And they call me a Satan worshiper. And it's like if I don't believe in God.

You definitely don't believe in Satan. Why would I believe in Satan? Right. Speaking of that, let's talk about pastors. you had a very, very famous moment with a guy named Jesse Lee Peterson Yes, I did Two things, before we get to what they're talking about with Jesse Lee Peterson

I need to tell you about that interview by the way Please, Jesse Lee Peterson I'm looking at this up, huh? Jesse Lee Peterson is a conservative, they've asked me to come on a show a couple of times DC went on there, you've gone on there DC went on there and like whatever but made a fool out of Jesse Lee Peterson like he is

I don't have an answer for that Is there something else I can help with? Fans phone always does this It's serious possessed Thank you But like So they've been asked me to come on there a couple of times I've never wanted to go on

But his thing is to get people on there And really to You know that guy And really to I don't know Expose, exploit, embarrass them Or whatever It's very conservative

he's some would say he's a chauvinist all of that you went on there and there was this one exchange back and forth

the slut the slut maker situation yes before we get into it tell me about what do you want to tell me

about the interview quickly so just like I'm your first guest on here I was one of his first guest okay

I thought I was getting punked the whole time on my kids I thought I was getting punked. Right. I didn't think it was a real thing. So I would have went so much harder on him.

Right. But it just got to the point where like, okay, this guy's truck. Ashton, come on, come out. You know, like that's what it felt like. Because of him? Because of the questions he was asking. He's so obnoxious that you would never think any person on earth would be that way. Okay.

Like, it was laughable. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I almost felt like I would see him crack a little smile every now and then. So for me, it was like, okay, you're falling apart over there, you know? And I really did feel like this was some type of punk show. I really did.

Until I left and I saw it online, I'm like, this motherfucker was real. Yeah. So recently, Jesse Peterson, who is incredibly homophobic, transphobic, all the phobics. has been accused of several different men. Of course. Of being in the same-sex relationship. Of course. God bless them.

So look, there's two things here. Number one, there's nothing wrong with being in the same-sex relationship with somebody. That's not something that should be used for a gotcha or to ruin somebody's life. However, in this particular situation where someone has been so stupid. staunchly against it when someone has been so unfeeling, unthinking, and downright evil to a specific community. It's interesting, to say the least. What are your thoughts about that? Duh.

Like, he's obviously gay. Most people and pastors, priests, you know, people in the church are usually gay. then they fight against it and then they wind up seeing a little boy, you know, what happens after that. But, yeah, like politicians, like, anybody that fights so hard for, like, you know, gay people to not be married, you're gay. Sorry. I actually agree with you.

Yeah. And why do you care so much? People, if you don't give a shit, you don't give a shit. I don't, you know, I don't care. about what doesn't, you know, work in my world. He's just, you can't be that homophobic and not be gay. So what we're, so obviously, and what we're talking about is the toxicity that sometimes can not all closeted people are, because I don't want to get, I want anybody get in

trouble. So not all closeted people go on to become vile homophobes or do things, but. No, we're not talking about closeted people. If you're in the closet, that's okay. You come out when you want to come out. That's your business. Right. Right.

We want people to feel safe in their environment when they come out. If you are blatantly homophobic outward to the world and you have a show, right? Yeah. Most of the time, you know, and you've watched political, like, documentaries and stuff. There's a whole documentary called Outrage that it's about this very phenomenon. Exactly. Exactly. And so they're just like, God, I'm gay, but like, you know, I got to kind of vote against this. I get the stupid white down south people to vote for me and shit.

Like, it's a whole thing. Like, and he's a pastor. I don't know. I don't believe he's a pastor. He's a Charleston. I don't even know what that is. I just, I'm sorry. That's what they call, like, fake and fraud pastors who use a pulpit to preach all these things.

But, like. He's so disgusting and disgusting. respectful and he I'm so mad at myself for going on that show like it was I did not even need to be in that space with him like I honestly thought I was getting punked I really did there I've never seen anyone so obnoxious in my life what's next for you what else do you want to do you want to go into maybe acting do you want to I could see you with like a podcast I could see you like really having a space like this where you sit down because you're so open and you're unapologetically yourself,

which honestly I think is how more people should be. They should be fearless, and they should just like, you're like, this is me, accept me or don't. And there's a beauty in that and there's a confidence in that that most people don't have. I could see you doing something like this.

Would you do maybe like a podcast, a show? I would do a podcast, you know, right now. Okay. I really want to focus on my music. I'm really excited about it. And it's fun. You know, there's nothing better than having a job that's actually fun, you know?

And so, and I enjoy it. So I'm, um, Who would you do the podcast with? Probably Marissa. You, Marissa, maybe Britney Renner, too, the three of y'all. No, probably just me and Marissa. I love Brittany, though. I love Brittany.

What do you like about Brittany, Renner? She's unapologetically herself. Brittany doesn't like me. She doesn't. What'd she say about Britney? What happened? So here's the name. I wasn't going to bring it up.

I wasn't going to bring up. We love Brittany. What happened? We had, no, Britney is, Brittany is a little off in her take on me to be, to be clear. Okay, okay, what happened? So this is the thing. Uh-huh.

Rachel, sometimes. I use the word. No, let me say, I use the word, I'm from Texas, okay? And I refer to Brittany as a Bob. And I said, but in Texas and Van disagrees with me, it doesn't necessarily, I'm not calling. her a ho. I'm saying she's a person who admittedly has said she goes after a certain type of guy. So in Texas, we're like, oh, that's bopping. I'm bopping on that guy because he has a nice car.

I'm bopping on that guy because he's got a section at the club. I'm bopping on that guy because he's a rapper or an athlete or whatever it may be. So we're like, oh, look at her bopping over there. It doesn't necessarily, I've referred to it as myself like that. And I would never refer to myself in a negative way. So she took it as and Van took it. He did not help as negative. And I, I'm like, I would never, I don't talk down about women. I really don't. But I used the term bop and I, I mean, like, I say it all the time. So that's, that was the.

Hey, let me tell you something. I don't know. I mean, I understand. I understand in Texas. Bop is. Oh. Yeah. But like, if you listen, if you listen to Paul Wall when he's like, he's like, look at those

girls bopping on. And he's talking about cars. I'm just, I'm just telling you, you can't take away. Every city. Texas culture. I think that it originally was what I'm telling you it is. And I think that as the word grew on and it went to other places, people just interchangeably used it with as ho as a negative way. So I'm still using it originally how we used it.

So maybe that I am problematic for that. Maybe I am. But I would never call a girl a hoe in a negative way. This van's very serious question a week. We've done this before. We did this. Is bopping? Is bop?

Does that mean a ho? I think if somebody called me a bop, I would feel some type of way. I know what it means there. No, I get that other, I'm just telling you from when the award originally came out, that's how we used it so freely. Like, oh, she's bopping.

Oh, she's a bop. Oh, look at like, like, it was just like that. It wasn't like so negative. But I get the connotation of it. But I'm not referring to her in a negative way. But she don't like me. But also it's like what guys, is she supposed to go after.

What do you mean? Yeah, what does that mean? I'm just saying like who is she, if she goes after a certain kind of guy, what kind of guy is she supposed to go after? I mean, you mean now or back? No, but I'm saying the way you're saying,

the way you were saying like Britney is known for going after a certain type of guy. Self-proclaimed. Self-proclaimed. Like, there are videos of her being like, listen, you got to go after a guy, you know, like, oh, I go after the guy because he has this money and he needs to be doing this. Yes, she does. I'm paraphrasing, but she is, no, I sent the video in the group chat. She's talking about like, if a guy doesn't do this, I'm going to say this wrong. But she refers to it. I remember because I've been following Britney forever. She said, get with an NBA player and have a baby because they're fucking dumb and you can get a chat. Thank you. Thank you for helping me out. But in her defense, right? In her defense. she said that years ago right we all know as women

were dealing with trauma from men fucked up men that do us dirty right she was that was the place she was in at that moment then she fell in love with someone and had a baby and that person cheated on her and treated her like shit and the world goes against her oh I didn't touch that

no I'm not saying you I'm saying for that situation I'm like I'm so team her on that and I hate the way that people piled on her for that I just refer to that And like that, that's the, that's the conversation that I was bringing up and stuff. But like, she, I would, we were like, come on the podcast. I would love to talk it out. She called me, um, a pick me girl.

Pick me. I was like, that's not me. They really went there. It was a very, like, for me it was a hilarious situation. I was like, it's, like, it's, for me, it was funny because they, it's, it's not that I love it. It's just that. You don't want to see girls fighting, though.

I don't want to see girls fighting, but you know what I do like? I don't want to see girls fighting, but what I like more than anything, and you know this, what I like is the smoke right to you. I like not. I'm super confrontational. So I love that. And Brittany, there's a Spartan Black Panther at the end of the movie. Oh, no, it's actually a Civil War at the end of the movie where O'Coye is standing in front

of Black Widow. And Black Panther goes, as much as I would like to see y'all fight, we don't have time. Because he knows that that's going to be like a good battle. and then they get in the car and they move on. That's kind of how I felt. I was like, I want to see these two match wits. But I don't want to see a battle. I just more so, if I hurt someone's feelings

or you took offense to what I said, I would love the opportunity to explain myself and let you know that's not the intention that I had behind it. So I do hate that she listened to that and thought, oh, I was coming at her to the point where she's like, oh, you're a pick me, you're trying to choose these certain men.

That wasn't it at all. So I wanted her to come on, so it's like, let's talk about it. Right. Let's hash it out. Not like, let's go at it. I mean, I know, Brittany, I talk to her often. She's definitely a feminist. She's, it does.

It's bad enough that we hear shit from guys all fucking day. Sure. So for her to hear that from you, it was just like, that's the cherry on top when you get that from a woman, you know, even though you didn't mean it in that way. No, yeah. Because, like, what she sent like a picture was like a whole thing of like girls calling other girls hoes and sluts and this. Did not use the word bobper. But I was like, that's not. what I meant.

But I get it. That's why I was like, come on the podcast. Let's have a conversation about it. I think everybody's doing good. Last question for me. I think everybody's okay. Last question for me. Yes.

You made me drive an hour and a half. This is going to be your last question. You want to go longer? Yeah, I want to go longer. What do you mean? I just drive an hour and a half. You asked me five questions. We've been going for like an hour.

Really? Yes. It is literally all for an hour. So let me ask you this. Listen, do you see anything about women who are famous or get a lot of pub, get a lot of shine on IG right now? Is there anything about the current crop of ladies that you don't like? Is there like, have you got to the point where you can look at with a critical eye or what some people might be doing? You know, how like basketball players go, well, you know, look at the guys coming along now.

because you influenced a lot of these ladies is there any way that you feel like they're doing it wrong sometimes? Nah. Nah. I feel like everyone's different. Everyone's different.

For me, the reason why I have longevity is because I don't talk shit. I just don't talk shit. Have I had Twitter battles and shit throughout the years? Once, twice. maybe maybe three times i don't even think three times yeah but i actually can't remember who did you have to it by the way no it no it don't even matter yeah but and always if they

came for me always like i just i don't start trouble um even the men that i've dated i don't y'all don't know nothing about me in 21 or me and m gk or me a whiz or me and i forgot about m gk i didn't i fucking forgot about i did too until she just said it. I forgot about MGK. Anyway. All I'm saying is, I don't say anything.

You slid a white boy in on this, Amber. Yeah, earlier. I forgot about MGK. When was it, when did MGK fall into the, into the, I want to talk about this. I'm sorry,

I even said anything. I was just trying to make a point that the guys that I've dated, you know, I, we, you know, we go our separate ways

and I, and I leave it like that. A lot of these girls are like man, man, man, man, man, man, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, it gets to the, it's single post on the story. I'm single now. Don't do that. That's the one thing I say, girls, don't do that. Because that's what I was going to say.

So, like, then maybe the thing, the question to ask is, what advice would you give? You see like a new generation coming up. Things have changed so much. I feel like the way people do put their business out so much now. And for that 15 seconds of fame, for like that viral moment, maybe that's what I should say for that viral moment. What advice would you give? Or maybe what do you hope, maybe you can answer that, but then also, and maybe this is one and the same question of just like, what do you hope with what you're doing with what your message, which what you stand for resonates to these women? This is the thing

Y'all got to stop sleeping with married men It's not cool Y'all just got to stop Men too Y'all got to stop Everybody got to stop That's why people don't want to get married anymore A lot of women don't want to have babies anymore

You know what I'm saying We don't want to be involved with y'all vice versa You know I'm not just I speak for women Because I'm a woman That's what I do But that's not just with Women, guys do the same thing.

And it's like, let's just all try to be more compassionate, more loving people, care about somebody else's feelings, move on with integrity. You know, like, even when I put that shit out about A.E. online, like, I was pushed to that. I couldn't fucking take it anymore. Like, that was a lesson for him. I didn't give a fuck about the internet. I was like, I told you what I was going to do and this is what I got to do. Now I got to stick to my word.

You know what I'm saying? Or you told him that you would tell everybody? I told him if you fucking play with my feelings again, it's going to be a problem. But he has a problem. He has a problem that we are working on as a family. What do you feel like his problem is? It's deep rooted.

It's deep rooted. But we have children and we love each other. And, you know, I'm down to help, but I'm also not going to sit around. around and get played. I will say, since then, amazing. An open book. Transparent.

You know, talk to the psychologist, psychiatrist, we have meetings together. We talk a lot. We communicate a lot. He's not weird with his phone. He's not on tour with Tyga. I don't keep nobody, no prisoner. He wants to be with. his family. So, you know, that's a step moving forward. And that's all I could really ask for

right now. And we'll just, you know, just see how it goes. But. So those are the things like for him to gain your trust back after that happened. Did you give him like a set of things that he would have to do or a set of, no, I was out. It was over for me. But how did how did you get back to a point to where you guys could get back on the same? page, what did that take for him? He just came over one day and was like, I changed my number. I changed my number. This is the password to my phone.

Here's the password to my IG. I'm done with that life. I want my family. I was immature and stupid and insecure. And I should have never did that dumb shit. I regret every moment of it. And I said, I don't give a fuck. That was my initial response.

I don't give a fuck. It's too late. Because when a woman is fed up, we fed up. Yes. You know, we'll try to help you, but when we're fed up, it's over. You know, and it was for me. But again, all the steps that he took and was consistent for a long time. Because I know people like to think I'll just jump into another situation.

But I like to take my time and, like, you know, he was coming over, seeing the kids and just got his life together. And I've seen very few stories of people actually doing that. So, you know, we'll just have to wait and see. You guys going to get married? Probably not. I don't want to get married again. You don't want to get married again. And it has nothing to do with Alex.

I mean, he really, I just want to say this. AE is an amazing father. He's an amazing person. he just has an issue that he is working on and doing great at, you know, resolving that issue.

So, yeah. You know what? You know what's a thing? And I just want to say this is like, even with me, like, there wasn't anybody in my life. Like growing up,

like no one in my life who ever, valued like fidelity. Like there was there wasn't like not one person in life that valued, that valued that value like so it would be like, you know, I don't want to talk to you about my dad's gone on. I don't want to talk to you about my dad, but my dad didn't value that.

I remember I was a kid and I didn't realize what a big deal this was then, but my dad and my dad and my uncles were on LSU's campus. and they were on LSU's campus, like, talking to women. Yeah. Right? Way back in the day. Don't think that my dad was, like, in his 30s. Like, this was, like, in the 80s or whatever.

I remember everybody laughs and will tell a story that when I got back around the women, like a little narc or snitch that I was, I got back around the women. The women would pull me to the side, and I was, like, three years old. All kids. And the women pulled me to the side. Like, what was they doing? was it. And I was like, it was running women up there. And everybody

laughs, right? And everybody laughs. I had a conversation with my dad like when I was like 14 or 15 years old and I said, yo, if you were ever doing something on mom, I would tell. And I remember he told me, he was like, you shouldn't. He was like, why would you want to hurt her like that? He was like, why would you do that to her? It's like, if you do that to her, that's going to hurt her.

Right. And then we break up and you got to have, I never forget this. He said, you got to have two different Christmases. I was like, well, fuck, I certainly don't want that, right? And so when I would think about that. So then you start lying and keeping secrets. Of course.

Right. And so, like, when I would think about that, I would think about, like, you know, not trying to throw anybody under it, but it's like my friend group and everyone, there was just no one, I'm not blaming on anyone. There was just no one around that went, hey, like, as a matter of fact, I have this one friend, Tommy Talley. Tommy Talley, shout out to Tommy. Not his whole name.

Tommy, Tommy should be proud of this. Tommy met a girl. The first girl that he ever, that he ever was with, they got married, they had five kids. Wow. And that's just his thing, right? Right. I remember we're all around the crew, and we're talking about, because he knows my friends from Baton Rouge.

We're talking about the fact that, like, you know, Tommy went to a strip club in Vegas. And that was like a big fucking thing. His wife knows. Nobody's. Like, he went to a, he was like, damn, like, I couldn't. I felt guilty about it. it. And the rest of me and my guys just couldn't fucking understand that level of commitment. Right. And as good as we want to be and as present as we want to be sometimes. And I'm telling you, it's just, it doesn't sometimes seem, and obviously I'm learning it now and haven't learned it now. Like before, it didn't seem like there was even the structure there for it. Right. There was nothing to build on. There's usually not. There's usually not.

a structure at all for most men. And so they grow up and they become womanizers like their fathers or that's where they get their validation from. Whoever gives them the attention and, you know. And so at that point, it's not even about the sex. It's about being, feeling secure. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

But getting your ego, you know, stroked. Yeah. And so I've seen that. a lot with a lot of males that have been in my life and my friends' lives and stuff like that, you know, there's not a lot of positive male role

models or fathers out there. My dad was an incredibly positive male role model. Okay, yeah, no, that's fine. Yeah, just not in that, you know what I mean? In that way. They could just like to get it. Right, but the thing of it is, is that he didn't have to. He could have went and been single and got it all fucking day. He didn't

have to involve your mom's feelings and heart and, you know, and And that's the thing. I mean, not to get too personal in your business, but that's what we... Talking shit about my dad, Amber. That's what we go through as women. My daddy did, man. You talked shit about my dad.

Um, and I mean that from like my atheist. Yeah, whatever. You just prayed to God. I knew I would get you. I knew I would get you. You just put the prayer heads up because you know my dad and nothing. So the whole conversation was a setup. I did it for you.

It was for you and your God. But, yeah, all I'm saying is, is that. that men are allowed to get their hoe on by all means. Please get your hoe on and live your best life. Just don't ruin women's mental health at the same time. Y'all don't have to do that. Don't ruin our mental health. We might still let you fuck, but you don't, you could just be honest.

Yeah. That's it. You don't got to involve us in a way where we're all trapped in your web while you doing this and this and this over here. Like, think before you do shit like that. I don't have anything else. That was a great way to end the podcast. Amber, let me tell you something right now.

You enjoy being misunderstood, I can tell. No, I don't. You like it. You love it. But I'm happy that you're happy. Am I misunderstood? But I was just about to say, if anybody listens to you talk for five minutes,

I feel like, not that I understand all of you, but you're just so open. I don't think you should be. understood at all. I think anybody who feels that way isn't taking the chance to get to know who you are. They're not listening to you. I don't think I misunderstood. I think she's misunderstood. No. I think people just don't agree with me. That's it.

Fair enough. We appreciate you coming out. You can't tell us when the album's dropping? I don't know. In the fall? Yeah. In the fall. Oh, so it's this year. We can say this year. Yeah. Features? Features? Can you tell us about features? Crazy features. Crazy. Like R&B You wouldn't even believe the features I got So you got

An X? No Whiz ain't on the album Y'all just wait and listen to the album No, nigger I need the fucking I need the I need the shit now

I can't man I love you though Whiz is definitely on it And I can tell you who else is probably on it I can tell you three people who I know are on it Nikki's on it These are three people

Who I know is on the album Nicky's on the album for sure Sure. Okay. Drake might be on the album. Okay. I'm waiting. Number three?

Number three to me, I think she's going to hit us with a curveball. She's going to have one of these rockers on there. Maybe surge from System of a Down. Maybe he might be on it. Oh, that'll be tight. You can just put it in your hand. Thank you so much for joining us. Yes, thank you for being here.

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green goddess chicken, garlic aoli, crumbled bacon, corn salsa, 40 grams of protein made to keep up with whatever comes next. New sweet green wraps hit different. Order now at order.com. You learned a lot about Amber. I like Amber. Ever's great. And I always have, I just love people who are unapologetically themselves. I think that she's a trailblazer in a lot of ways. I think a lot of people try to emulate what she represents

or, I don't even know if that's the right way to say it, but she did it first and so I think she has made people more comfortable being who they are and not caring about what other people think. And I love people like that.

I love her too. This is a good person. Exactly. Yeah. And you could listen to this for five minutes and get that. Yeah, good person. All right. Amber said she doesn't believe in God.

God believes in Amber. God believes in all of you guys. However, we have to talk about Christians now. Let's talk about two. Imagine if we had Amber weigh in on this. We should have. Two different salvos. Shout out by some of the biggest names in ministry right now.

Kimberrell and TD Jakes. We are going to listen to them both. Okay. I think we should start with Pastor Jakes, don't you think so? Yes, we should start with Bishop Jakes. Let's start with Bishop T.D. Jakes and what he had to say about what he feels like the role of women in contemporary society is and should be. This breaks all sociological order to the culture we're living in now. because we are raising up women to be men.

You are not applauded for your femininity. You are applauded in the contemporary society by how tough, rough, nasty, mean, aggressive, hateful, possessive you are and you are climbing the corporate ladder, but we are losing our families. Can buy your own car. I know you can buy your own house. but until you create a need that I can pour into, I have no place in your life.

So stop coming home bragging to me about how much you don't need me and wonder why I shy away. Oh, y'all ain't going to talk back to me this morning. He ain't talking to me. He's talking to me. He's speaking on your behalf. No, he isn't.

He's talking directly to you, career-obsessed man-women. You man-women out there, I love Bishop Jakes. I think... You're a big fan. Big fan. I like Bishop Jakes. So I'll be honest with you,

during the pandemic, when I was in my depression, I would listen to Bishop Jakes. I would listen to his messages. I would listen to his... I think he has an an anointe on him. I've always felt that way. I'm not a, I've never been to the church. I don't know the man. I have. You've been to the church.

But keep going. He's anointed. He says he's got an anointing on him. Go ahead. Yeah. I mean, just because you're annoying it doesn't mean it's you're perfect. Rachel. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So for you, somebody who feels that strongly, I want to hear from you. You feel that strongly about TD Jakes to wear, which I mean, honestly, in all seriousness, if that's somebody that you listen to, who help you overcome what you were battling and get you to the other side of it, that I'm never going to take that away from you. However, when you feel that strongly

in such a positive way about someone and then you hear them say these things for you, because I'm not coming into this already from a necessarily positive place. For you, when you hear that, how do you feel? I feel like he's wrong. I think that, let me put you this way.

I think the sentiment is, nah, there's really no way for me to fucking. It's all wrong. It's wrong from the standpoint that it centers the man in a relationship to a degree that I feel like is unhealthy for families. I feel like what he's saying right now is actually more unhealthy for families

than the dynamic that he's trying to lay out. He's laying out a dynamic in which a man feels emasculated or a man feels minimized or in some way small because his wife or his woman or his fiance or whatever boast about and can produce the evidence that she doesn't need him. Okay? And therefore, it's in some way the shared need of people that makes good families. I don't think that that's the case.

I think that what makes good families isn't a shared need. It's not that you need a man and that a man needs a woman, is that you want a man and a man wants a woman. I think the want is in relationships is the most important thing. What do you want to achieve? Because the want is what allows you to overcome things. The want is what a lot. allows you to build things. The want is what allows you to plan and stay on track for things.

It's not that I need you. I don't need to feel like you need me. I need to know that you want to be here. I need to know that you want to contribute. I need to know that you want all of these things. And that to me is the thing that you can't keep coming back to because you fall in and out of love all the time. The only thing that keeps you, in my opinion, tethered is how you want your life to be, like what you see your life as. And so the moment that you start talking like he's talking about, that's saying that I need your life and how you feel to validate the reason why I'm here. And I can't see how that is positive. Well, he made it seem like women can't be both.

Women can't be into their careers, dedicated to their careers, and then also at the same time equally be created, I mean, dedicated to their men. He said women being raised to be men, as if it is a man's job to pursue those things and to be that dedicated to their career. I saw somebody in the comments say, is this the new Kevin Samuels?

And that stuck with me. Because what's the difference between what T.D. Jakes was saying in that moment versus some of the things that Kevin Samuels said? I think there's a small difference. I don't. And I think the only reason. people are making a difference is because he is T.D. Jakes and he's preaching from a pulpit, which I think makes it even more problematic. He doesn't get a pass because he's preaching from a

pulpit. I think you hold somebody like that to an even higher standard. And the fact that when someone's standing in that place and they're preaching and they're anointed from God and they're saying those things, people hold on to it like it's Bible, like it's biblical, like it's a word from God. So to preach in that problematic way and almost put women down in an effort to build men up because you feel like a man is supposed to play this role in a household versus a woman. And if a woman is doing this, then she's trying to be a man is so deeply problematic that, which is why, not because he preached that sermon, he never resonated with me. I went to the Potter's house when I was trying to find a church home after I left college. And I was taking a back at how much the church

was about TD Jakes instead of church. I didn't like that his name was in the carpet. I didn't like that there was a separate section for the famous people and he was calling them out. I didn't, it felt very self-serving to me to the point where I felt so disgusted that I was like, I never went back. And to me, this sermon feels very self-serving. And you have daughters, you have a wife. And if I'm sitting in the audience and I'm listening to that. I don't know if he has daughters. I know he has a daughter.

I don't know if he's two. That would be very disheartening for me. I understand. I think the difference between the Kevin Samuel's thing is I think that you could make the argument that TD Jakes in what he's saying with this particular message is attacking women's self-worth. I think you can make that argument. I think Kevin Samuels did it very blatantly. I think Kevin Samuels very blatantly, like, dehumanized women.

I think he said, hey, if you're this age and you're this, you're not worth this. So my whole problem with Kevin Samuels was the fact that he would look at another human being and then sum up their worth for them as if he was God. Now, from the way Kevin Samuels was looking at it, he was saying, oh, this is what society wants. I don't think it was his place to speak on it like that. I think it's particularly vile to do it to black ladies who America kind of lessens their worth anyway. But so I think for what Pastor Jake's, Bishop Jake's, for what Bishop Jake's was doing, my problem with it is that with the responsibility to your point that he has in the community, I think he has a responsibility to look at the world as it is. and then talk to people in a more inspirational, fulfilling,

and realistically anointed way. And he did that. He didn't. He didn't do that. He talked about people, in my opinion, the way he talked about people was the way he was talking about the way T.D. Jakes looks at society. Exactly.

And he did it on Father's Day. This is a Father's Day sermon. This is purposeful. It's intentional. And... Pop up guys. you're not pop up man it's like a

stop stop stop I'm not gonna do it after we just had you know like Amber Rose on here who was empowering women and you know like having them stand up for you know and represent themselves and then we got to follow it with this take from TD Jakes

who was trying to take all that back because I just don't it was something he said and I wish I had a transcript of the whole of that whole snippet but he talked about how when women are in that role they're angry and they're, like, he said some of those words, and it's like, how are you equating those two for a woman who's just trying to provide

and take care of or are pursuing her goals? It made me wonder, are there female pastors at the Potter's house? No, I've never been. Because it almost seems like he would be against that as well. It just, to me, he conflated certain issues, which is why it became, you don't want to use the word, but I'll use it, excuse me, problematic. Yeah, I don't want to use the word, Because the word is like over exposed.

You always do that when it's, it has a meaning. If it's fucking problematic, it's problematic. Like, it is what it is. All right, let's talk about Kimberrell. Kimberrell is also a titan in the ministry. She had some stuff to say about ugly people. Donnie, give it to me.

You got to choose up. Find you some value. You know, sometimes before we get friends, we have to do an interview. How long have you been broke? How many times have you changed your name on your light bill? How many of your bills in your little cousin's name? Do you live in a trailer home or a house?

You know, you understand. And it's not about status or material things. It's just about choices. You know, life is different now. And, you know, we are at church. Thank God we're here. Those of us are walking by faith without a mask and no vaccine. And so we honor the Lord.

God is good. I respect all of the men of God. ear and respect you. Can y'all clap so I don't feel strange right about now. Hopefully we'll give a chance to meet each other when y'all invite me to come to your church. I'm not as expensive as I've seen. And so, I don't know, maybe you've got a little leftover from your PPP loan. Prayer, praise, and power. You understand. Amen. Isn't the Lord great? Amen. Amen. And so, you know, I like calls.

coming here because the ground is already tilled with great personality like Dr. Kahn. Because one thing I love about him, he's deep in the word, but he knows how to have great humanity. And most don't understand his personality because he is truth personified. And he tells the type of truth that makes most uncomfortable. Because who likes to be told? You're just ugly. No one likes to be told that, you know, especially when they have realized it. All right. Most don't get offended until they know the bad. bad thing about themselves. And then somebody else recognizes and says, oh, I saw the ugly too. I just

wanted to let you know. So anyway, y'all get that later. God is great. All of you are beautiful. I haven't chosen anyone to be ugly yet. God is good. God is great. Y'all look great. Most of you have on hats covering most of that anyway. Here's to you. Is Kim okay? Is Kim okay? And I need a context for this because I don't understand where this came from. I don't understand the start of this speech. I don't understand the middle and I don't understand the end. I don't understand why she started talking about this. It's just like she started talking out the side of her neck. It didn't

make any sense. Why was she standing up there? Where was this going? Was this a sermon? Was this a speech? Was this an introduction? I'm unclear. But all I can gather from that is is Kim, okay? Is she okay? Um, no, Kim's not okay.

Kim's definitely not okay. So, look, we've had a we have a lot of conversations on this podcast about what we feel like the we feel like the responsibility

of leaders in the churches we talked about Pastor Carl Lentz one time we talked about Pastor Carl Lentz who of course I'm biased because I know Pastor Carl

taught to Pastor Carl a lot in the past made some mistakes in his personal life sure made some mistakes in his personal life and he was stripped of his leadership role with Hill Song.

We've since learned that there are a lot of fucking problems at Hill Song. Yeah. Fair enough. Yeah. Pastor Carl, I thought, was treated harshly. You and other people have made the point to me that when you're a leadership position in the church, more is expected of you. Sure.

And because of that, you're held to a different standard. I can understand that. Although I disagree. I think that grace should be shown, no matter what position you have. have, I think that God shows grace. But I understand the argument. I'm not trying to relitigate it. I feel like there's a situation there where we're looking at somebody's failing and talking

about whether or not it is acceptable to the congregation that supports them. That is one thing. What I'm listening to right now from Kimberrail is literally Satan's work. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I agree. And I am not the person. that's in any moral standing or any moral position to judge somebody or to to to to make an

assessment of their character. But from what I understand about my faith as I grew up and about as I've practiced it, as I've connected with people about it, this is the devil's worth work. First of all, God sees the beauty, the harmony, and the excellence in people. ugly commenting on people's financial status in these unprecedented economic times with so much uncertainty is a gross misuse

of her pulpit and platform. Absolutely. Like, I can't describe to you how impossibly evil all of these words are. You don't stand up as somebody, church look out and call the people ugly. If we have in a comedy show, we're going there to laugh. We're going to laugh.

There are people that are in a church congregation. That's what it felt like. That are going there. She's trying to be funny. She's trying to be funny. There are people that are going to a church congregation that are going there because they feel ugly, because they feel unloved, because they feel unwanted, because they feel untethered from the rest of society.

or from people. There are people that are in a church that are there because their last chance for connection or acceptance or community is God. They're people that have dealt with addiction. There are people that have dealt with abuse. They have people that have dealt with financial issues and their hope, their last hope for some sort of peace on this earth, on this earth, is God. God represents that to them. And God, God, says, hey, doesn't matter what position or situation you find yourself in, come to me, I'll wrap my arms around you and make it all better. That's God at its best. That's us at our best when we translate that word of God to somebody. You can't stand in that position and tell the people how ugly

they are. You can't stand in that position and tell the people how broke they are. You can't do that. If you want to tell them they're not doing right, then tell them they're not doing right and tell them what they got to do to get back on the right track. But you can't stand in that spot and tell the people that are broken and are looking for the most powerful entity in the

universe to help fix them and put them back together so we can build better communities that they ugly. I was offended and to be honest with you, in my opinion, it's demonic. In my opinion, doing that right there in that way, it's demonic.

Well, it also makes you wonder, this can't be a one-off, right? That's why I ask you this, Kim, okay. Is this a one-off? Is she having some type of episode? Because that's what it felt. It was so off and illogical and didn't make any sense. And she wasn't even getting a reaction from the people in the audience.

They seemed just a shock, which is why she was like, can I get a hand clap so I don't feel like I'm by myself up here? It was very, I've only heard her sing. I've never heard her speak that way. That's what she's known for, more so singing. Right. So it, to me, all I kept thinking as I was standing up there watching that, and sorry, that coupled with TD Jakes, in that moment, I'm not going to speak on him as a pastor as a whole. But the Bible constantly warns you of false prophets and charlatans. And in that moment, that's exactly what she was. There will be some people who, there are people who, as you say, come to church as their last hope. There are also people in that audience who will believe every single thing. that comes out of those people's mouths because they feel they're anointed and of God. And it might be off, it might not make sense, it might be wrong, but they will take it as Bible.

And so that's why you really have to pay attention, one, to what's being set up there and really know things, what you believe for yourself, biblically or whatever morally it may be because you might fall into traps listening to someone who I agree with you completely demonic in that moment. Sure, sure. And that's what's scary about these two examples that we talked about today

because imagine if everybody in that audience takes that as the word and goes and practices that. See, but that's why I feel like, just like everything else, we should have like a, I'm an ages. We should have an age limit on being up there, man,

Bishop Jake's. So you think he's senile. I didn't say he was senile. I'm saying he's out of touch. I don't think you have to be out of touch to get that message right. I'm sorry. We got to pull people in. Look, I'm not saying anything.

I'm saying to me as a, as a, I'm not going to call myself a man of God. I'm going to tell a guy who's searching for God. I was upset in the moment that the black church had this week. I'm upset about it. All right, we're going to go. We had a great interview with Amber Rose. Tuts out of the topics we're going to go. But before we go, Donnie, do me a favor.

Cue up. Donnie, you there? Yeah, I'm here. Okay, Donnie, listen, seriously. Number one, you haven't updated us at all about the snake. You haven't updated us. I'm still not home. No, I'm still in Jacksonville.

You know what? I'm headed back to Atlanta tomorrow. How about this then? How about this? On God. If you're not going to be able to keep the storylines going, then we don't really need to have them, Donnie, because the reality is, is people, going on the soulless jackals are going nuts

they're going nuts trying to figure out what's up with the snake all right and then what's going on with the rabbit situation keeping them in suspense strategy all right before we leave I want to leave on the um some really really like incredible words from Kevin Gates

and I even going to talk about them I just want you guys to hear him Kevin Gates was on Carisha Police Revote, shout out to Puff, where he opened up about the time that he fucked his cousin. Didn't know it was his cousin. Then his grandma

told him it was his cousin, as grandmaws will do. This was Kevin Gates' response. Say you ready for the smoke? I don't want no smoke, but I ain't turning none down. Did you really fuck your cousin? She pulled me to the side and said, baby, that's your cousin. I ain't about to stop.

What? Like, is you really like that, or you're just... I want to stick my whole tongue in this bitch, I'm going to suck her asshole with my mouth, stick my whole tongue, and then I twirl this bitch. That's what you're going to leave him on? Yeah, I mean, it's Baton Rouge shit, you know. Is he from Baton Rouge?

That is from New Orleans. No, he went to McKinley. It's from my... I got to tell you, women were going crazy over this. And I mean that, and I say that in a positive way. I'm sure they were. Women were going crazy over the sexual things that Kevin Gates was talking about

and how open he was with the things that he likes to do. Women were losing it. First of all, it's not, I got nothing but love for Kevin Gates, Brett, with his association. I guess my question is,

was he saying he was going to do that to like a woman or was that specifically about the cousin? I think that was to any woman that he is having sex with. Also the cousin, though. Also the cousin. He said he'd been doing it for a while.

Why was he going to stop just because he knew that? They had already started it. so why not keep going at this point. That was what he said. Can I ask your question? I want to get Donnie on this because Donny looks like he would be into some shit like this.

Can I ask you guys a question? Because at first I was a little bit shocked as I am every time I hear that. But does Kevin Gates have a point? Well. Donnie? About the cousin situation? Why would he stop?

Right. He had. And choose my words carefully. He has a point. There is a point to be made. Let's just clip that and put that up there. Donnie. No, no, let me back it up.

It's because I get the why would I stop? Like, what's done is done. He's already done it. Donnie, I wasn't expecting it. I knew he was going to go there. I know he was going to go there. There is a huge difference. Donnie's a fucking freak.

Before grandma. Before grandma, he didn't know she was just another girl. Then it changes. Now you have certain knowledge. Now you know. Now you know. There's a difference. But apparently, Donnie, to you, it doesn't matter.

Let me ask you a question, Rachel. What if you found out right now that old Dr. Abbs was your cousin? I'm done. Yuck, I'm disgusted. I couldn't see him the same way. You found out right now that Brian was your cousin. I would be disgusted. But what, what, is he first, second?

Well, I know first. Is he second, third, fourth? He's going to be like a cousin, like a Colombian cousin from like. Like an, like an eight, ten? Probably like a seven, six. Oh, we're good. A six. What's the line?

Third? No, no. Third and fourth, third, fourth and fifth are too close. I think I have to. I think I have to six is okay, but fifth is too close. I think I have to draw the line. somewhere between five and six. Can you guys hear me in the control room?

You guys can't, we can't hear you on the show, can we? Yeah. I have to ask the control room something. I'm going to relay what they're. How many people are in there right now? So I need to vote real quick before we go. It's four people in the control room right now. I want to say no, but like if they're that far back,

let me just going to be real. And I'm married to you already? It's four people in control room. Does Kevin Gates have a point? It's a unanimous no. Van, you answer. I got to be honest with you. I was on the other side of it.

Because what he was talking about licking, sucking, and spinning. Everybody gets the same treatment. I thought he was talking about the cousin. He is. But I thought he was directly talking about the cousin, which was disturbing. But there is a certain degree of logic to what it is that he's saying. At this point, what damage can be done? The damage is already done, right, Donnie?

Well, now you know. You could have operated in a place of I didn't know. Now you can't say that anymore. You know you're a cousin fucker. We got to go. We got to go. We got to go. We got to go.

Take it. It caps off. But do not stop learning. I'm Van Lathan Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.