Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Bachelor Nation Gets Aggressive and Kamala Has a Really Bad Week

Episode Date: June 11, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss the aftermath of Chris Harrison’s official exit from the Bachelor franchise (00:30), and Kamala Harris’s sensitivity comes into question (21:06). Plus, toxic masculinity results in another tragedy (55:49), K Michelle’s got a new look (1:05:46), and it’s Mailbag Time once again (1:13:48). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. Rachel, how are you? I'm okay. I'm a little annoyed.

I know. But I'm okay. I'm a little annoyed, but I'm okay. I see that they've been coming at you on the comments of the old Instagram. Man, hard. But you know what? I'm used to the hate. what I'm annoyed with is I don't want to keep

hashing it out like I'm not the spokesperson for when things go wrong in Bachelor nation there are so many other people who could speak and give opinions but they always want to come to me that's more of what I'm annoyed with than the comments I'm used to the hate that's just another day another hater mad people have been reaching out asking you to comment on it Everybody.

You name it, everybody. Who's the biggest outlet that's reached out? CNN, GMA, Hollywood Reporter, different podcast, conservative podcasts. Conservative podcasts.

You should have done those. We'll see. You should do that. You should do those conservative podcasts. It's so interesting that like, like, whiteness always. needs an excuse. You mean somebody to blame?

A scapegoat, yeah. Yeah. It's got to be somebody else's fault. It's wild to me. I mean, I'm not surprised at any of it. It's just more of, do you hear yourself? I'm in the confines of my job. I ask a question, somebody answers, and it's my fault.

Right. But it's my fault. Right. Right. Bozeman was very upset about it. That's my boy. Bozeman was like, we were reading the comments together. You were reading the comments?

You were in the comments. I was reading the comments to Bozeman. And Bozman was like, yo, he looked at me. He's like, you know, how long are we going to deal with this? This shit looks bad on us as a brand and as a family. I'm like, oh, my God. So I had to post. But you're doing okay?

Or is it been a lot? Has it been a lot from the, I see the Cairns have come out in full strength to support Chris Harrison. Cairns are no stranger to me. You know, I've said things here and there. Anytime I say something that, I guess, for lack of better words, threatens their white fragility, they come at me in the hundreds. In the thousands, really.

So that's, I think it's just more the context of why they're coming at me this time, that it's just so ridiculous. So obviously we're talking about the fact that Chris Harrison is gone. The range of the numbers that are here from Chris Harrison's suggested payout or alleged payout, is anywhere between $40 and $69.9 million. Now, I don't know why they put the 0.9 on there. I don't think it's that much. They could have said 70.

They could have said 69. You don't think it's that much money? No. I've, that's the first time I've heard that figure. I've heard more of like 20, 25. Nah, he probably got the 69.9. Because he a freak. So he was probably like, you know, I know I can look at a freak and tell.

You know what I'm saying? He freaky. Like under those suits, he probably got two nipple rings. You know what I mean? Oh my gosh. So he's a freak. So he's probably like, yo, how much you want, how much you want, we want you to talk no shit about the bachelor.

You ride away into the sunset and he probably won't. I want $69 million. If it's $69, that's a wild amount. It's a lot of money. But look, here's the thing, though, and here's the difference. It's like, when we fuck up, we don't get no $69 million, you know, and to blame it on somebody else. Well, you know, I mean. Like, they get, Chris Harrison right now is acting like, and look, I don't think he should have been fired.

I'm well on the record. Yeah, you've said that. I'm well on the record saying I don't think he should. should have been fired, but I'm looking at some of the stuff and people are making it look like he's fucking Joan of Arc. Like is he's not a martyr. He's not a, I don't know. But you kind of become that when cancel culture takes you down, right? And that's, that's what's happening. Like people are saying he was can. People are saying he's a victim of cancel culture. He was canceled. So they, so you do. When they, when they let him go or whatever term,

they're using, he did become the face of it. He did become a sort of martyr, which it's, you know, I think the most interesting thing is when people tell me, he gave you everything. How dare you? And I'm looking around like, that's what people say. He gave me everything. So how dare I, you know. Did he give you anything?

No. I mean, it's hard to say no. I shouldn't say that because when you're, there's advice that's given. you know, when you're the lead. So yeah, he gave me advice. Right, he gave you advice. He gave you advice and you feel like that was useful advice. So you, you in your past, contrary to popular belief, you have not had a contentious

relationship with Chris Harrison. No. I haven't had a contentious relationship with Chris at all. What a wild time. Which is why he agreed to come on our show and do an interview because there is no beef. Right. I mean, there never has been.

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Ask your doctor about Tramfaya today. Call 1-800-526-7736 to learn more or visit Trimfaira Radio.com. By the way, this is not the last we'll hear from Chris Harrison. Chris Harrison? No. Well, he's a very good TV man. He'll be back on a show in very soon. And he's got bread.

He's got some money. This is the, I feel like. the dismissal or the departure of Chris Harrison is a net loss. For who? Everyone involved. And I mean, not you specifically because you did nothing. You were the, actually, you were on the other side of someone being insensitive. So I don't even understand the logic, but whatever.

Like privilege is never logic. So whatever. logical so it doesn't matter um i think this is this once again shows everybody is too cowardly to confront these things head on the reality is that there does have to be in the world where you could go to the party uh i don't know why you would want to go to the party but where you can go to the party you come back and be like hey i understand that was wrong no better do better to where we have as much trusted each other as neighbors in the society where we can do that. There's a world where Chris gets on there with 50 years or 40 some odd years of privilege

and makes an ass out of himself on extra to where he can come back and be like, look, like I feel this way, I feel that way, but I get that this is not the time to like put this out there or it's not the time to speak on something that you don't really know what you're talking about. And I should have been more open to having a dialogue rather than to dress down Rachel on the show. And where the people at ABC and everybody else goes, okay, look, this big thing happened. Let's talk about it, put it behind us and move on with the show. And to where everybody that's watching the show and enjoying it and everybody on the other side of it to where the issues that face the Bachelor or Bachelor Nation to where there's a full-throated attempt to address those issues. Right. Yeah. But once again, that's not what happened. What happened was people cut bait and they ran to their corners and they ran to their sides and that's what we're going to do for the rest of time.

Well, I think this is one of those things where we weren't at the table. We have no idea what happened in mediation and what was put out there from either side. And I think I agree with you in that sense. I think that when Chris came out and he apologized not once, not twice in writing, but then a third time on television, he said he was going to take. take the time to do the work. And that's why I said on extra that I was surprised that the announcement was made. And I mean that I thought it was. I thought that we talked about it literally last week that we thought they were going to wait and see kind of some things that happened. But I have to keep reminding myself, we don't know what else was at stake. We don't know what other issues there may be. We don't know if there was bad blood. We do know, according to the article that was put out there, that, you know, he did threaten them of what he would do if they didn't pay him a certain amount of money. And so I just, we, that's what the article said.

Not my words. That's what the article said. That's funny as hell. That's funny as hell. But I'm sorry, I did not mean to interrupt. No, no, no, no, you're fine. It's almost like he was saying he knows where the bones are buried. And if you don't pay a certain amount, it sounds like on one end, they had made up their mind. So he's like, okay, well, if this is the decision that you make, then you need to fully compensate me because of what I know. I've been here since the beginning. So again, we weren't privy to all of that. So we've no idea why the decision was made and how it all went down and why they decided on that amount to pay him. But I do think that it could have been a learning experience should they have gone another way.

Because you talked about a world of you go to that party and then you realize how wrong it is. And, you know, like you make amends for that and say you're going to do better. Well, that's exactly what happened to Rachel Kirklandall. And she's with Matt James. And so there is a world where that can happen and you can be forgiven and people move on. Yeah. And then you have the other side of it. The other side of it.

I'm very interested in the fact that you said he knows where the bones are buried. Has to. For you to make that kind of, for you to make that kind of threat, again, people, according to the deadline article. These are not my words. line. According to that article, his attorney made certain statements. If you don't do this, then this will happen because he knows this. Well, I just, I think for me more so, it was about the fact that these, these bones, they're buried.

And they're not bodies because you said, normally people say they know where the bodies are buried, but these are so old that the bodies have already decomposed and their bones. So it's not the bodies. Since the inception of the franchise. Inception. Christopher Nolan. So you are, but you're, you're feeling okay. You're like you don't, you're feeling good because I know you had deactivated your your Instagram back in the day.

Would you think, do we see another Instagram deactivation coming? Not this time. No. No. And people ask me, why don't you mute your comments either? because I want y'all to see where hatred lives. I want y'all to see how people talk. Like, don't hide in my DMs.

No, these people are outright putting their faces out there with Bible verses in their bios coming at me from left field. Right. We should have- Attacking my appearance, attacking my intellect. What they say about your appearance? Attacking my character. They always talk about my teeth.

Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, that there is, it's true, you know. You heard it there. Van is behind all the faceless Instagram comments that I get. What if it was all me?

What if it was all me? Yo, yo, check this out. We're going to get it again, Bolson. Come here. So, no, you've been getting a lot of it and you want people to see it. You should what you're saying. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to hide it.

I'm not going to mute it. See how people. people talk to me. I'd be honest with you. So there have been a lot of people, a lot of the thought warriors that were like, don't do this topic because they think that I am a little too jovial about,

you know, Chris Harrison situation and what happened between you and Chris Harrison and I thought that I was going to poke fun. I would never poke fun at Rachel being harassed on the internet. Like, I'm not going to poke fun at that. Like, it's not. But the only thing that,

that's comical about the entire situation is that this is all so serious. First of all, it just tells you how valuable the Bachelor franchise is and what a big deal it is. But it, like people are going so hard. There's this one particular person that, on no matter what I post, they post, let's talk about how unlikable Rachel Lindsay is. They keep saying that over and over and over again. And I'm like, yo, what the fuck? man, like they're really mad about the bachelor. But it's not that big in the grand scheme of things. You're now attached to this world because of me and because we did

we recap two seasons. But if you didn't know me, you would see the headline and you would keep it moving. This is only for people who are in Batchar Nation and who watch this show. Otherwise, they don't care. They don't know that there's this big fuss about it and next week nobody will be talking about this. The next time people will talk about this is when they announce a permanent host.

It's David Spade. Probably David Spade. No, no, no, no. Did you see on Bachelor in Paradise? This actually, I might be interested in seeing this. They've now announced all the other guest celebrity hosts that they'll have. Oh, so it's not just David Spade. No, David Spade is on for two weeks. Okay. They have

announced Lance Bass, Sarah Hyland, because she is engaged to a former Bachelor contestant who is the bartender on Paradise Wells Adams Titus Burris Is it Burgess? The comedian

Yeah he's the one I'm looking for to the most and last but not least Lil John Oh that's great That's great He's been on the show before I'm into that I'm into them experimenting with different things

I think we got to stop calling it Bachelor Nation now why that's what they call it but i don't think we should call it bachelor nation anymore it's a little too aggressive nation doesn't have any connotation they are they are so i think we should call it the bachelor clan i knew you were going to say that you know why i don't because it's more like a no you can do it no it's more like a clan now look the people that aren't in bachelor clan which is what they call the knights of The Bachelor. The people who aren't in it, they know I love them. They know I love them.

And they know we're not talking to them. But a lot of y'all out there, it's just people use different things to expose their racist, xenophobic, privileged opinions. And they're just filtering them right now through the, Bachelor. So I, you know. So there's the nation and then there's the Klan. The Klan is currently in my comments. The Klan, the Bachelor Klan is currently in your comments. And then there is the Bachelor nation of people who just love to watch a television show where random people fuck each other. You know, and who doesn't like that? You know, I saw our boy Michael Rappaport was doing this

thing. He was taken up for Chris. He said, Bachelor will never be the same now that Chris Harris is going. I mean, I didn't watch the first episode, so I can't really speak to it. But, I mean, from what I saw, people enjoyed, I mean, here's the thing. You watched two seasons. Did you really see Chris involved that much? The host's role is very limited. So I don't care anything about Chris, but I haven't watched the show time in and time in

and time. So I don't know. You know, I'm not the right person to ask. Sometimes on these shows, the host has a way of being a constant, I would say. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So people probably.

The voice of reason. Yeah, you know, Matt James wants to sit down and warn America that he's going to pick a white woman. And who else does he have that conversation with? You know, he's got to have that conversation with Chris Harrison. When is Matt James coming on the podcast? Okay. He's like he's been talking about this.

I want to talk to Matt James. I want to talk to Matt Matthew James Jr. the 3rd. I want to talk to Matt James. When is he coming on? I want to talk about that scene with Chris. I want to talk about the scene with his dad. I want to talk about John of Scorpio. I want to talk about Rachel Kirklandell.

I want to talk about him being tall. All right. When is Matt James coming on the show? I don't know. I've done a poor job at setting that up. I know. You have. I'll text them right now.

Been too busy, you know, being around here. Look, I like your braids. Your braids are nice. Thank you. They'll be here all summer. The whole summer you're going to have the braids? Whole summer. Here's the thing about the braids that I always like.

No, there is no here. Oh, okay. Wait. Because I thought it was going to be negative. It's not going to be negative. Here's not going to. You know, you already, you already commented about my tea. I did not.

Yes, she did. I didn't comment. I replied to a comment. Rewing the tape. Rewind the tape. No, I replied to a comment. you made about your teeth. I didn't comment on you.

Okay. What they say about your appearance. My character. They always talk about my teeth. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I mean, you know, that there is, it's true. So the thing about the braids is what braids always do, especially when they're fresh, is they give the world, they give the world a view of just how big someone's head is.

You know, and you never, you never really can tell until you got the brakes. I think everybody knows. Everybody knows I have a big head. That's no secret. Everybody knows I got a big head. Yeah, a noggin.

How's Brian doing? I haven't spoken to Brian. How's Danny Seeker? What kind of transition is that? Because the reason why I was thinking about, I'll tell you the way that was the way I did that is because I'm thinking, okay, well, Rachel has a big head. But obviously it's people that like that.

Who? Brian. How's Brian doing? You know what I mean? Ryan's fine. He's fine. And yes, he does like my big head.

Did he, I've been rocking this big head since birth, you know what I mean? So I'm comfortable in it. That's why you have strong neck muscles because your neck's got to hold everything up. You know,

your neck is strong. That's why it's like people. Why don't you just keep, I'm a punching bag today. You know what I mean? On social media on this podcast. Why don't you just throw some more in my way? So,

but here's the thing about the stuff on social media. Does it, is it seriously? is it actually bothering you? No. I didn't think it was. Not this time. You don't understand, Van, I know you're new to this.

You don't understand how many times I've been attacked. Right. And before it's been things that I've said. This is actually one of the first times where I didn't say shit. You didn't do nothing. And I'm still getting attacked. Normally it's something I said on my podcast or I used to blog about the show for us weekly. And I would be in there taking jabs at folks.

I understand that kind of stuff. Right. You know, I had an opinion and you want to come at me about something I said. This time, nothing. Right. So maybe there's some repressed feelings of things that I've said before that people are,

I'm not quite sure. Matt James said next Thursday. Matt James, okay? Book it. Book it. Book it. So, Matt James on the podcast next Thursday. We finally get to have our conversation.

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Okay, so Kamala Harris went on our first foreign trip since taking office. She announced task forces to address the corruption and human trafficking that are viewed as a potential driver of some of the migration that we see here to this country. She also offered the most direct warning yet to potential migrants. As one of our priorities, we will discourage illegal migration. And I believe if you come to our border, you will be turned back. Do not come. Do not come. The United States will continue to enforce our laws and secure our border. That is what the vice president said.

My question to you is on its face, do you have a problem with that sentiment and the way that she articulated it? A lot of people are very, very upset about that, the fact that Vice President Harris said that. Are you asking me about the statement alone or just the whole way she's handled it in general or her speech? Whichever part of it you feel like you want to talk about. I can understand why people feel with her saying not once but twice, do not come, do not come. It's a bit shocking coming from Kamala Harris. One, because people have been questioning, you know,

she's been put in charge of the border and immigration and handling that for the Biden administration. And people have been very critical of her because she has yet to go to the border. So now that you are actually, you know, going into. Central America and it looks like you're addressing this head on, the first thing out of your mouth is do not come. And I think people are shocked to hear that come from the Biden administration, especially because Senator Harris was, there was an emergency rule that the Trump administration had where they would turn people away, migrants away without providing them a chance to apply

for asylum. And there were a group of Democrats. that actually accused Donald Trump of misinterpreting his authority, and they were against that. So then, and Kamala Harris was one of those Democrats that signed a letter or whatever it was to that questioned the legality of that. And so then for her to have this stance, I think is a bit shocking to people. Maybe they're being a little too hard. I don't think she's like, do not come. That's the end of it.

And that's all I'm going to say. obviously this is a really complicated issue and she wasn't going to be able to provide answers in that one speech. So I think people have to give her the time to work through the complexity of this with one handling immigration and then handling also what is particularly going on at the border. They're not necessarily one and the same. So I guess all that to say, I understand why people are upset at the comment. but I think at the same time, people have to give her and the administration a chance to really figure out what to do and to address it. I know people also had an issue that she was calling it like the root impact or the root cause or there was a phrase that she's using and the Biden administration is continuing to say, well, I think that they really need to attack that. And I think they need to think they need to do it quickly.

And I think she needs to go to the border. I think the fact that she hasn't gone to the border doesn't mean that she's not working on the issue. But you got, you have to be there and be a part of it and understand what's happening and see it. I think to really be empathetic to what's happening and to make real change. Hmm. Very well said. So you're from Dallas. That's called the Big D.

Yes. I am, um, I'm being transported to the Big D by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Yeah, that Big D is disappointment. Now, I don't know that I can say I'm actually disappointed because I don't know how much I actually, I don't know how much I actually thought about the administration, but there was some hope there. So there's a fair amount of disappointment. Here's my problem with this. My problem with this is, number one, you know, I think most countries have, most countries strive to have strong borders. okay yeah you have strong borders that allows you to sort of um you know monitor contraband that might be

coming into your country uh monitor any potential terrorist organizations or people that might seek to harm american citizens that are coming into your country uh so you want strong borders you want borders that you know you have control over to a degree uh i don't think anybody that I know of it's just like, hey, open up the borders, let everybody in and all that stuff, because there are all kinds of security concerns,

all kinds of different concerns if you were to do that, right? Sure, there are some people that want that, but that's not what I'm talking about. What bothers me about that is the sentiment of do not come. Okay? Yeah.

The sentiment of do not come is a nationalistic ridiculous, disrespectful thing to say. Okay? A couple of reasons. Number one, a lot of the issues that are going on in Central America, in large parts of Central America, are directly due to American influence in that region. So it's almost like someone standing up there acting like we don't have anything to do

with the dysfunction of countries. around there. We haven't played a role from financially to militarily, like in sort of the stabilization that we see. Wow, I can't talk to them. I'm actually high. I'm actually high. To the fact that some of these issues, these countries are having issues, right? It's not all of our fault, but American foreign policy has to do with some of this stuff. But let's say that it didn't. It's just an insensitive thing to say. And it is. And there's a, and Democrats have to understand how to control the messaging that they're putting forth into the world. And saying that America's closed when the spirit of America has never been built about that, has never been,

that's not what we were told it was, right? The, what, like, what we are. What we have been told was give us your tired, your weary yearning to be free. Well, it's written and you can come here and seek asylum. And so when you stand up representing the most powerful office in the world and you contradict that, it's not even so much about what you're saying. It's about who you're saying to and who hears that. That to me, when you talk like that, It doubles down on this American superiority narrative that makes everybody outside of us something less than us.

If you're going to tell people who are starving, desperate, and in danger not to seek the asylum or the resources of your country, then the question I would have is how great can your country be? and look, even if they all can't come, which they can't, I get it. We have to, I wouldn't expect Kamala Harris and Joe Biden to put that type of energy out into the world. And I wonder why she did it. In the grand scheme of things, how much does it mean? I'm not sure. But I just know that for the last couple of weeks, the last couple of months

from some of the stuff that Biden's been saying from some of the stuff I've been hearing from them, it's seeming like it's business as usual in Washington and I hope that they know that we're not going back to that and we recognize that people are people

with souls and feelings wants and needs and some of them are scared and some of them are hungry and I'm not comfortable with someone just saying, hey, you people that fall into that, fuck you. I'm just not comfortable with that.

If that makes me a bleeding heart liberal, if that makes me a far left cuck, then I am not. Just hearing that makes me feel uncomfortable. And it makes me feel like, to be honest with you, that Kamala Harris doesn't have the emotional center and the sensitivity that I thought that she had.

And I wonder if somebody like that, to be honest with you, that I wonder if people like that are fit to lead. Well, it's interesting because one of the criticisms with Kamala Harris is that she flip-flops. Before, when she was running for president, that was one of the things people said. And so for her to align herself with Democrats who questioned the border policy,

for them to criticize the rule that the Trump administration had in place, it goes against that because now the Biden administration is still using that same rule that they criticized. And then I think, you know, like my response to it is the phrase, do not come, do not come is cruel and insensitive. I'm hoping that that was she said it wrong and she plans to do more. but the additional problem with saying the phrase do not come is that you're not taking into consideration why they're coming. A lot of people are escaping violence and are seeking refuge and for you to be that dismissive about it, it's a little shocking. I'm not saying that I expected, I don't expect, you know, I wasn't expecting Kamala Harris to come in and change everything in a speech

or in one visit, but that was a little, not a little, it was very, off-putting and it was just something that was in contrast to the way we've seen her stand when it comes to immigration, especially somebody who's leading it for this administration. So maybe, hopefully, and this is a loose, hopefully, the way she responded and the reaction that she's getting from so many people, and I mean that outside of the United States as well, will, you know, bring her into shape. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, look, um, She was in Guatemala. She talked about a lot of other things that were going on.

She talked about she wanted to tackle some of the corruption in Guatemala and make that a top priority for the United States. And, you know, to lay out a strategy in the region that can maybe be more stabilizing and maybe help some of those countries. So maybe some of these problems that, you know, force people out of their homes to make a very, very dangerous journey to the border of the United States so they could be solved so that, you know, maybe you have better societies where they're from. I just think that it's very important that we treat people like people.

Absolutely. That we treat people like people and not like policy. And look, for people that are upset with how critical I'm being of Vice President Harris, I watched this entire thing. I got as much of this as I could. I looked at it in context. I did not get baited by a headline here. I did what I could

I can't find any reason any reason for me and look I'm not the vice president of the United States I get it I can't find any reason for her to have come off the way she came off you know

and and and the reality is that you know a lot of this has to do with the way the message is communicated and the United States has some fucking nerve man like some fucking nerve from some of the things

that we've been involved in some nerve to tell people to choose starving or to choose death or to choose political silence or to choose, you know, living in a horde condition rather than to choose our border. You have some nerve to tell people that.

I'm just so, well, whatever. We'll see what happens. Yeah. It's all a bunch of hoar. You want another whopper? You want another whopper of a story. Did you see this video? I actually posted this video on my Instagram

of a police officer. Okay? Instated like initiating a pit maneuver and turn it over the car of a pregnant woman. Did you see this? Yes. You saw it. Okay.

So here's the deal. You hesitated there. You didn't see it. So it's okay. I'll lay out the story for you. So this is what happened. This happened in Arkansas. this woman is suing the police department.

This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. This woman was pregnant. Too much pregnant. Her name is Nicole Harper. All right. She was 38 years old. She thought she had lost her baby. She thought she had lost her baby.

She was going 84 miles an hour in a 70 mile an hour zone. She was speeding. Bad Nicole. Yeah. She was speeding. Okay. Flash his sirens, turn the siren on, and flash his lights for her to pull over. So according to Nicole Harper, and if you watch it in the video that is available because we have his dash cam video,

she did not feel comfortable pulling over onto the side because it was a shallow shoulder. And if you watch it, it is. There's not much room there, right? Did she slow down? She put her blinker on. She slowed down. She put her blinker on. and then she put her hazards on,

indicating to the police officer that she was intended to comply when she could find a place to get off the freeway. What he had said prior to his dash cam coming out was that she fled. There's video of this, of her slowing down, putting her signal on, and then putting her hazards on

while she found a place to get off that was safe for her. he you know what the pit maneuver is so the pit maneuver is when you're running from the cops they drive up to the bumper of your car and they nudge it he nudged the bumper of the car he instituted the pit maneuver she the car her car she was like a jeep it it like a jeep wrangler it veered off hit the side and flipped over and flipped over flipped her car

she was pregnant she was certain that her baby had passed away and and even in the video you can hear in the video he is still dead calm in that he just flipped

somebody's car over just gave me some EMS we need EMS but like so I watched the video and I posted it on there posted it with the trigger warning I'm not trying to trigger you guys

but damn man and so for me I looked at that and I thought she's now suing him. As she should. As she should. She should not just sue him. This guy should be fired immediately.

And to me, Oh, he's not? No, he hasn't been fired. He should be fired immediately and charged with attempted vehicular manslaughter. A hot. Manslaughter. Yep. Yep.

It is ridiculous. It's two minutes and seven seconds long. That's how long the pursuit was. Wow. They're going to fire them. But that is in, wow. You know, my time is working with as a prosecutor. You see a lot of hot head police officers who are looking for their moment to just treat a situation like it's the wild, wild west and think that they have the authority and the power to do that because they have a badge and a gun. And this is one of those situations. You mentioned the baby's okay, but was she okay? the baby was born in February. At first she had gone there. This happened back in July. So at first, she didn't think that her baby had survived.

And just so people know, the Arkansas driver's license manual urges motorists to pull to the nearest, safest spot out of the traffic lane. That's what she was attempting to do. That's what she was trying to do. even the corporal that we talked about the lieutenant. See I say, I deranged this man the same way. Even the lieutenant that we talked about at Corona Zario some months ago was attempting to pull to a safe, well-lit place.

People say comply. They're trying to comply. This was two minutes and the guy couldn't even stop. He wasn't even trigger happy. He was bumper happy. Spokesperson for the Arkansas State Police declined to, comment on both the lawsuit and the incident itself. She said she didn't feel like it was, uh, uh,

she didn't feel like it was safe. The trooper. So it is the, he approached when she was flipped. This is what happened. Just to put the cherry on the top. I didn't include this part. When she flipped over, okay, he helped her out of the records and said,

why didn't you stop? She says, because I didn't feel like it was safe, she answered. He said, well, this is where you ended up, is what he said. Ma'am, you got to pull over. I hope the lawsuit is on behalf of her and the child, because that's how it should be.

And I hope they get paid so much money. And then I hope they fire this man. Her legal team. And he shouldn't be working anywhere else for another police department. I don't know. It just seems to me, it seems to me people caring about other people's humanity is a short supply. Like oh for sure I mean we've already covered two stories

It's ridiculous It's ridiculous and people and I'm just sorry There feels like something that has infected policing And I don't know that there is an answer I'm sorry Well it's not a new infection It's not a new infection it's an old one It's an old infection

It's an old wound that's now infection It's something that's like It's something that you were talking about like when you said he knows where the bones are buried. That's not how you say that. It's the bodies. But then a body... The bones.

A body becomes the bones. So it... He knows where the bones are buried. I stand by what I said. But not really. Did you see what Louisiana did? Juneteenth said to become an official holiday in Louisiana. You get it popping.

Didn't Trump make it a national holiday? Or is that just something you just said? It's crazy. Governor John Bell Edwards is expected to sign Democratic Baton Rouge rep Larry Selders' House bill 5-5-4 into law. Larry Selders, I know his brother.

It's like, this is Baton Rouge stuff. What do you think? What do you think about this? Louisiana, Juneteenth. Do you care? Louisiana doing something right. Do you care about Juneteenth? Do you celebrate like next week

will you care about Juneteenth? When you celebrate Juneteenth? Why are you saying will I care about June team? We've had this conversation last year on June teens because I told you it's actually a Texas thing. It was when these slaves in Texas found out they were free. Not Louisiana, Texas. So obviously it's something that it is because it is just Texas. No, it started in Texas, but it's crazy how you don't want to.

It's crazy that you say, okay, it started in Texas, but we shouldn't be able to celebrate our freedom in other places as well. Didn't say that. The question was, do I celebrate it? I'm a Texan. I am telling you, of course I do, because it's something that it's like a very big deal. What's your Juneteenth thing? What you do to celebrate June 10th then? What you do to celebrate June 10th this?

It's a separate. No, see, that's crazy. That's not that it depends. You know what? When I was in Texas, it was more of a thing. Like there was always a barbecue, a cookout, a block party. There was always something going on for Juneteenth. Since I've left Texas.

You haven't celebrated it. I acknowledge it. You haven't celebrated. Okay, what's your Juneteeth look like? You tell me what you do. Let me get on board. Show me the way, man. Show me the way.

I don't really go up for Juneteen. Like, you know what I mean? In Texas, we really did. In Louisiana, they would have a concert where like Roger Troutman and Zap would come to Baton Rouge or. Zapp. You know, you know what I mean? June T.

You know, featuring the Commodores, but not Lionel Ritchie, not that Commodores. You know, just Camer's a daughter. Right. It's never Lionel Richie. because he left the Commodores. But what I'm saying is, like, we knew Juneteen, but we didn't, like, really celebrate it like that, if I'm being honest.

I don't think we celebrated it like, oh, this is the history of it, but there was always something going down on Juneteen. And we recognize what it was. But nowadays, you just don't care. It's like June 15th. It's like. No, that's you. You said that.

No, I did not. I never said that. I never said that. I never said that. But I'm happy. I'll tell you why this makes you happy. More official, uh, recognizations.

More, more official. Recognization. Recognition. Wow. I don't know. Where to see. Recognize. Wow.

What's you on? What is the word again? Recognition. More, more significant. recognition of Juneteenth will lead to bigger Juneteenth celebrations everywhere. I did a podcast one time with Camel Foster and Camel was like he he hopes one day

to live in a world where Juneteenth is celebrated where he walks down the street and he sees a white person and they say happy Juneteenth and all of that stuff like that and I told him I was like it would Camille said that. Yeah. Yeah. Camel, yeah. I told him the reason why we don't have that now

is because Juneteenth is a divisive issue amongst the white establishment. How can you not want to celebrate the end of slavery? Like, what is this? It's weird. It's weird. I want to give it recognition. Oh, you know what I meant to tell you?

I met two of your friends this week. Who? Who did you meet? Matt Barnes. Matt Barnes. And Terrence Jay. And I have to tell you, is Terrence Jay not a friend? Terranche is a friend.

Okay. Well, there was a moment there. Do you want to speak on? No, it was it. Terrence Jay is a friend. What happened? I was working a red carpet. Meet the blacks too.

Everybody go see Meet the blacks too. Meet the blacks. And it was great. I was like, oh, you know, I have my mask on. So I'm sure that's why they didn't recognize me. Nobody care? No. Terence Jay was so nice.

Both of them were like, we're fans of the podcast. and I was like, that's so great. But when you're going to have me on all the smoke? That's exactly what I said. I did all of the smoke. I said, Finn likes to mention all the time that he did all of the smoke. He said,

oh, we would love to have you with big fans of the podcast. What are you going to talk about on all of the smoke? What do you mean? You act like I don't have conversation. I know that you have conversation, but it's like a basketball-based thing. Are you going to really be able to talk basketball? Is everybody, this is a sexist comment.

I just want to take, know that red flag it. Like, I can't talk about. Talk about basketball. I used to do have a sports radio show on ESPN where we talked about more. I had a football and then we had all sports. No, then we had all sports. You made it sexist because you are a football mind. No, then we had all sports.

Would you like to do it? We used to. Me, Taylor Twelman and Jason Gough. Okay. Had a sports show, GtL. Let me ask you a question. Would you mind if I gave you a little quiz right now? on like NBA.

Okay. Let me tell you why this is not okay. Because that's not what all the smoke is. It isn't a test. It's not a quiz. It's about topics that I'm knowledgeable about basketball. And yes, I could. By the way, I will tell you something. That is very, that is very massaging.

Apparently, I only know how to talk about The Bachelor. Nope, that's not what I said. You know football. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. But look, it is something that men do to women, though. Jackson. Jackson brought it up before.

It rolled off your tongue. You're like, I'm a girl says to a guy, I'm a Lakers fan. He's like, oh, yeah? Tell me how many banners we got up there at the top of the Lakers. It's so fucked up. Name every hall of favor. You know what? Guys do that to guys.

Women do not do that to guys too. Women don't do that to men. But guys do that. Guys do that to guys too, though. I remember I was. No, no. They do. I swear to God, I was in the barbershop one time.

The barbershop doesn't count. I was in the barbershop one of the biggest arguments, one of the most embarrassed I've ever seen somebody before. My man June was cutting somebody's hair. June was cutting somebody's hair, and the dude says that he's an Eagles fan. And June goes, you can hear the barber, the, the, the clipper's cutting off. And you're an Eagles fan?

All right, name their whole D line. Who can do that? And like, and like, Like he said, name their whole D-line. And this dude couldn't. And when I tell you this nigger was livid. He was so mad. They kicked them out the shop.

Man, what you mean, man? I love the Eagles, man. I love Donovan. Nah, Zian. I asked you about the quarterback. Name their whole D-line. And everybody started laughing at him and laughing at him. So they have to put him out the shop.

So it happens. But I'm sorry. I'm not going to look. I'm saying, so you know basketball. Basketball expert, Rachel Lindsay. No, stop. That's so messed up. Basketball expert, Rachel Lindsay.

That's what you are. You're a hoops expert. You all hear this? You'll hear this? Stephen A. Lindsay. Rachel A. Smith. Those are my dad's initials. Oh, guess who's interested in the tell it to the judge segment?

Of course. The judge. Of course the judge is interested in to tell it to the judge segment. It gives him a chance to speak. his ministry to the world. His ministry. The judge is something else, man. I go back and I listen to that all the time.

The judge was not playing with me. I do. Like, it's so funny. It's so, I was. He likes you. The judge is great. The judge is, to me, I wish I could be like that. I wish I could be all regal and, like,

and principal and stuff like that. But I just want to really eat M&M's man and watch sci-fi. So speaking of the sports world Did you see the back and forth between Jay Williams and your ex-boo? I did. Come on. I'm sorry.

Kevin Durant, who Rachel said hello to one time in college. This is interesting. And I want to know where you feel on this. So where you're saying on this. So this is what happened. Kevin Durant, they were talking about Janus Antenacupo, versus Kevin Durant and Jay Williams, who, you know, is a good guy.

Jay Williams is a guy. We know Jay. We know Jay. Jay Williams is a good guy. Jay Williams then went on ESPN's Get Up. I think it was, or maybe it was one of the, I think because he was talking to get up. It was Get Up.

Yeah. So he went on Get Up and he said that, you know, KD doesn't like, I'm paraphrasing here, KD doesn't like to be compared to Janus. And he told him so at a party. He said, hey, because Jay had said that Yonis was if KD and Anthony Davis had a baby. And so then Kevin Durant came up to him and said, don't you ever compare me to Yonis ever. He told that story. And then Durant just let him have it.

Wasn't having it. Durant said it was lies, straight lies. Said it was straight lies. Stop using my name. I don't even talk like that. Blah, blah. This is- Then went at the media, said this is what we do.

For a hot take. So this is on the heels of Shannon Sharp doing something not similar but related to this. Remember when Shannon Sharp called Julio Jones Live? The reason why I say that they're similar is because it's both taking personal relationships and then bringing them out in a media space. All right. Number one, Jay Williams said that he's stood by his story. and that he maybe shouldn't have brought up the fact that he spoke to Kevin Durant.

Do you agree with that? Whose side of your audience? I'm on Kevin's side. He absolutely should not have brought up that private conversation. That's not what you do. And he clearly, and I like Jay, but he clearly was doing it to bring something different to the table. And I think when you're a person who's constantly in television, you're always trying to

have a hot take, say something interesting, do something that somebody else can't do to draw in viewers. And that was a moment of him doing that. Hey, I know Katie. Hey, we had this private conversation. Hey, I know something you don't know. He revealed this to me. I don't blame Kevin for being upset.

Whether it's true or not, it should have never been brought to the table. And it wasn't even that juicy of information, I think, to even risk your friendship or whatever relationship you have with Kevin for that, for that moment. You know, what you just said is completely right. What happens is what... What you just say is completely right.

And I'm talking about the analysis. It's spot on. It's spot on. What happens is there's so many voices out there. It sometimes becomes... We live in this weird, weird, take-infested world. And sometimes we're not even trying for the smartest take or even the hottest take. We're trying for the loudest take and what is going to cut.

through over the noise and made people pay attention to us. And if you can say I talked to KD and KD told me don't compare him to Janus, that's obviously going to cut through because that's basically Jay Williams, if we're being honest, what Jay Williams said was that KD basically said, fuck Janice. I mean, you know what I mean? That's basically what that says. And if you, Durant, some places is like, yo, if I want to say that, I'll say it. I don't need you to go back and talk about even if it is all true.

Man, we had a holiday party. Like a holiday party is the worst place. Yeah, he said they were at a holiday party. These guys may have had some yule's, some yule tides. You know what I mean? Because you know when you get some yule in you, things change. You get a yule. You're out there at a holiday party.

You're wearing a decadent winter sweater. You know, it's got like. Filled with the holiday space. filled with the holiday spirit. You got a Santa hat on. How could anyone report on a story when people are wearing Santa hats? You might be stubbornlyly.

Use your boy. Yo, don't ever compare me to y'allis. I don't know if it was true if it was said or not. But yo, man, don't report on stuff that happened at the holiday party. Man, this is coming from the TMZ. I don't report on stuff that happened

at the holiday party, Jay. Come on, man. And they're coming, like, they're in the playoffs right now against one another. You don't know what kind of relationship if the two of them have. Now you're possibly starting a beef between the two of them.

It just, it was unnecessary. I think Jay learned the lesson to never do that again. And I'm shocked it came from Jay. If I had to line up ESPN personalities, I wouldn't expect Jay Williams to do that. Right. I have a question here. I'd expect perk.

Do you expect perk to do it? Yeah. I think perks. Perks from Texas. I like Perks. He's entertaining too on ESPN, but I think he's also done that before. That's why I'm putting him out there.

So we're going to stay in the sports world right now, and this story is not as light as the one we just talked about. Virginia did football player, 18-year-old freshman. Freshman linebacker has been charged with second-degree murder. He is accused of beating a victim after discovering that the person who he met on Tinder as Angie was a man. So apparently what happened was he tender match

with somebody. The gentleman who's passed away is 40-year-old Jerry Smith. This freshman football player is charged in the beating with Jerry Smith. He's been granted bond to stay with his family, but his actual release is being held up

for five days depending on the appeal. So I guess the story is that they matched on Tinder. He thought he was matching with woman named Angie. At some point, they meet and it turns into a beating. He says that he beat this man to a point to where he heard gurgling, and then he left. And after this, the gentleman passed away from blunt force trauma.

Now, I've dug into this story a little bit. Okay. And in digging into this story, you're seeing some people around the area where the area where this took place, talking about the reputation of the man in question, Jerry Smith. And there are people, wait, he's not the man in question. Julius, not the man in question. The victim here, the victim here at Jerry Smith. And saying all kinds of things.

Saying that Jerry had, there's one woman that's claiming that he had a history of being harassing, that he worked at a bar where he had harassed people, and that, you know, There's one woman even saying on the internet that he had roofied her. I don't really think that there has anything to do with this story. I don't know that any of that stuff is true. Obviously, it's a football community there. You might have some people there who are looking to look out for this man who is accused of this crime. So they might be saying all kinds of things about somebody who's not here to defend themselves.

I guess my question to you is you hear a story like this you read the headline what's your first thought it's devastating it's devastating that you know it's you know

when when we decided that we were going to talk about this topic it was really hard for me to think of what to say not because I don't like I feel conflicted about it it's disgusting it's devastating it's devastating, it's deplorable. But this is a person who was on Tinder

trying to seek another person out to go on a date with them and that it ends in a murder. Yeah. And Jerry was living the life that he wanted to live. And this Virginia Tech football player found something out and instead of just walking away

and just saying, no, that's not, that's, I'm not interested, you know, and moving. on, he decided to take matters into his own hands and take somebody's life away. And it's, I can't even imagine what it is to be a part of this community where you are fearful to go on a date because it could end like this. There was a law and law and order SVU episode that was, that, that, that kind of mirrored this same story. And it's a tragedy that, sadly, this isn't the first time that something like this happens. And it's something that plagues this community. And it's something that,

And I just think it's terrible that Jerry is living the life that he wants to. And there are people like this that won't allow him to. And it ended with them taking his life. And I can't even imagine, cannot even imagine that you're living in fear just to live the life that you want to, to be who you are. So I guess my only question to it is, number one, the first thing I'll say is this. people say that toxic masculinity or that a warped sense of masculinity that it doesn't exist and it's not a thing and to be honest there are people out there that are going to be

sympathetic to the young man in question here they're going to be sympathetic they're going to say hey I'd have done that too you know you had options to walk away for sure for all those people and I know you're right I know they're going to be ignorant people to say that right So I guess my thing is that when people talk about the fact that those things don't exist, this is this right here is the byproduct of them. The byproduct of having people equate your sexuality to your manhood or your sense of worth or your sense of being or who exactly you are means that anybody that crosses that.

Let's say that this all went the way it's being painted to have gone, right? Let's say that Jerry Smith, who's passed away now, 40-year-old guy, that he lied and he deceived this young man. And then they get to a point to where they meet. However it gets to the apartment, it gets to the apartment, he finds out Jerry is a guy. Okay. The question is, now what? Now what? Even if you curse somebody out.

Because that's a hell of a thing to do to somebody, right? Yeah. But even if you curse someone out, even if you don't, even if you don't, even if you, laugh, even if you get, at what point just beating the shit out of them until they're gurgling? And here's the thing about that. So you beat them up, they're gurgling. You hear the gurgling. You leave. Like, you leave.

You know what I mean? And and and there's one person responsible for the death of Jerry Smith. But societally, everybody has a hand in it when we continue to push these narratives. Yeah. That your manhood is your everything. That your sexuality is your everything.

And look, don't get me wrong. I have been a part of all of this. I understand that like this is handed down from generation to generation. But I'm telling you is that now Jerry's gone and this kid is probably going to go to jail for a very long time. I don't know. I saw this immediately. I'm like, this shit isn't really working. Like the way we're doing it right now, it's a sad story.

It's not working. So what do you do? You know, I mean, you have the community, the LGBTQ plus community speaking out and, you know, trying to bring these issues to light. You know what it is? We don't talk. It's not mainstream enough is the thing unless these kinds of things happen. But you're right in the sense that it doesn't have to just be murder to be detrimental. It's cursing someone out.

It's degrading them. It's taunting them. It's harassing them. And we don't talk about that enough. We don't bring that to the forefront. And those things build up and they lead to situations like this. And this is a community that's under attack. Right.

I'll be honest with you. What I meant when I said that is if I said when I said cursing somebody out, if I went to somebody's house thinking that they were a woman when they were actually a man, I would probably be pissed. I would probably be uncomfortable with that. Just the deception. You know what I mean? I would probably be,

there's no fiber in my being that would want to hurt them though. Right. It's like no, I mean, there's going to be a moment of shock when you make the realization for sure. And by the way, we don't know if any of,

a lot of this stuff could be different once all the facts of this come out in terms of what happened to who knew what when they knew it? Because I think I misspoke earlier. I said that some kind of way Jerry ended up at the, that Jerry ended up at his apartment. What actually happened was that the Virginia Tech freshman

went to Jerry's apartment. Right. So, you know, I just. But what we do know is it ended in a death. Ended in a death. Punched him and stomped him. punched him and stomped him That is terrifying for the comedy

It is stomped him stomped him Man Man oh man If we don't need to do better Like if if if If we don't need to do better We're giving the lives away to

Like a bunch of bullshit Yeah You know it's just it's crazy And by the way it's happening all over the All over the country in situations where you see trans women getting killed a crazy murder rate

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One thing before we get to the mailback. What? I saw a picture of K. Michelle. Are you sure it was K. Michelle? I wasn't sure that it was K. Michelle, but it's obviously K. Michelle now people are talking about the fact that this Kate Michelle. So I picture of Kay Michelle. Okay.

Kay Michelle is totally different. She looks like a totally different person. It doesn't like I'm not convinced. I would never look at this person and think that this was Kaye Michelle. You know what this reminds me of? What? When Don from Danity Kane changed her entire look. Yeah. Nobody knew who that was. Whole look. Is it changing your entire look though? It's like changing your entire look. When you're unrecognizable or

unrecognitionable, as you would say, unrecognitionable. When you do that, yes. No, but what I'm saying, changing your entire look is like getting a new wardrobe or a new hairstyle. These people have changed their faces. Like, this looks nothing like.

This looks nothing like. Nothing. Nothing. Kay Michelle. Is there any way it could be filter? I don't know. I don't know anything about filters and stuff like that. I really don't know. So let me ask you a question. And I hope that the thought warriors will be able to weigh in on this too.

I am a do what you like type of guy. Okay. Do what you like. You know, you look at yourself in the mirror. You go, hey, I want to change this, change that. Who am I to say anything, man, Mazel Tov. Knock yourself out. Go for it.

My question to the thought warriors and to you, is there something wrong with this? is there is I don't wrong is not the right way is it okay wrong is not the right thing wrong is not the right question forget about wrong wrong is not the white question forget about right or wrong

you can do whatever you want is this healthy healthy in what way like mentally healthy I is it healthy to is it healthy to is it healthy to is it healthy to

completely reconstruct your face to something brand new that's unrecognizable. I guess it is. I don't, it just. So it would have to be case by case to me. Because my first question to a K Michelle would be, why did you want to change your entire face?

Are you happy? Are you? Because like I can't imagine changing my entire face and looking in the mirror and seeing a totally different person. I, and I don't want to assume for her, but I'm about to. You must not like the way you look to change your whole look,

everything. And then what's also suspicious is Kay Michelle is known to be very upfront about the cosmetic work that she's had done because she's had work done before. But now she's, mom's the word when it comes to her face. She's just posting picture after picture and she's not acknowledging it.

Is she ashamed of the work that she did? Why does she not want to speak out on this? I get my first question. Why? Why? And then if your answer is because I wanted to and it's what I like, then I can't really argue against that. Then that goes to do what you want. You're a do what you want to do.

That what makes you like. That makes you happy. Do what you like. But it's, I don't know. It's, it's the same way I feel for people who heavily feel. filter their pictures. You know, why do you want to look like a totally different person? So when I see you in real life, I don't even know who you are because your pictures are so filtered.

And it doesn't mirror what you look like in real life. And then what kind of message are you sending to young people who look up to you and want to be like you? That this is the only way that you, that this is what beauty is? I don't, I just. But see, here's the thing. If there's nothing wrong. I love to talk to her. I would too.

If there's nothing wrong with it, then there's nothing wrong with the message. I just want to understand. I want to ask these questions to a person. I don't have that desire to change my entire look. And so I want to talk to someone who's done it. Why? Why do you want to do it? I don't know.

It puts me in a weird spot because I look at it and my first reaction is to be like, damn, like to be sad about it. My first reaction is to almost be sad. Like be sad about it or like or cringe. I'm not going to lie. That's my first reaction. But then I'm thinking to myself, well, if everyone is free to be like who they are. And if everyone is free to change and do whatever they want, then why should I react that way?

That's her business. That's her face. It's shocking. It is. It's one thing to have a little bit of an assistance. Like, oh, I want a more narrow jaw line or I want to, you know, like, plump my lips. lips up or whatever, but just she had, she's a whole new face. Yeah.

She also talked about in the past, man, she, she looks unrecognized. Unrecognizable. Now you can add the Z back. Unrecognized. Unrecognized. She also's been, she's also talked about the fact that she, she went underwent unsafe butt procedures back. in the day. Right. She's vocal about that. She's been vocal about that. That almost cost her a life.

The unsafe but procedures. I didn't know that part. Yeah. Almost crossed her life. She nearly died from unsafe butt procedures. But yet she went back under the knife. She went back under the knife. Unsafe butt procedures. I really want to get into the psychology of somebody who changes their entire face. I really, and it's no shade. I want to talk to someone who's actually done it. We should have somebody on the podcast. If it's not Kay Michelle, maybe it's Don. Don, Don. From Danity King.

Don, from Danity King. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know her? She's from Southern Louisiana. She's from New Orleans. No, I never met her before. I do wonder about that, though.

I wonder. Or maybe Sammy Sosa. Could we have him on the podcast? Nah, that's too far. But look, here's the thing about Sammy Sosa, though. His face is the same? No, no, no, no. Sammy Sosa has bleached his skin, right?

And permed his hair. And permed his hair. He almost, he looks. he looks like Sammy Sosa he is the scariest looking human being on the face of the planet I'm sorry he is the scariest

he's the scariest looking human being on the face of the planet he was like when Dave Chappelle and the Chappelle show used to play a white character and it just looks crazy but the thing is this if it's okay for everyone to be whoever it is that they want to be

and it is okay I'm not saying if it is it is, then why do we have a problem with what Sammy Sosa is doing? Like, why will we have a problem with what Kay Michelle is doing? Why will we have a problem with what Don is doing? Sammy Sosa is colorism. There's a deep colorism. We could point to that. That's colorism.

But what difference does it make what it is? I'm just saying. Yeah. It's a little, at least I can like pin it to something a little bit. Like I can pinpoint the issue as to why people have a problem with it. But what if you, if, if, if it's okay for everyone to do whatever they want and you want to be white, then. Well, that's your stance. Not everybody, if you want to be white.

Not every, he's still not white. Not everybody understands. I mean, not everybody has that same rule of thought, or school of thought of comes from that school of thought of saying, if you can do whatever you want to do. It's whatever you want to do. So anyways, let's let's do that. We should cover that topic. We'll cover that. We'll bring that up.

We'll bring that up. All right, Melbad time. Trudy. Give me the, you know, it's time to do the thing. Come on, run this song. Let's go. Mailback time. Time to read your letters.

And then we'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback time. Write us with your queries. And we'll chime in. All right, Trudy, let's go. Mailback time. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. Let's go. We've been talking for a long time. Let's do the mailback stuff. Let's go. from Davis Wallace. What is your Mount Rushmore of TV shows?

Okay. The Sopranos, the wire, Martin, and Kirby enthusiasm. But look, here's the deal. Like, here's a deal. Mine is so different.

So, so, so here's a deal, man. I'm gonna be honest with you. There's a show that should be up there, but I had to take it off. All right. Y'all know what I'm talking about. What show? Nah, man, I don't want to speak the name.

Okay, it might be on my list because I'm going to say it. If it's what I think it is, I'm saying it. Now, let's all remember, Rachel, Rachel, there were a lot of things. Rachel wasn't allowed to watch. So my Mount Rushmore is a little different. I don't care.

I'm saying it. It does not take away of what it gave us. Say it with your chest. Say it with your forehead. All right. Here we go. I love Lucy. Come on, man.

I'm sorry. That is one of my favorite shows. You really watch that shit, for real? I would, if there was a marathon right now, I would watch it. Okay, we're up. No, I love Lucy. Don't take away from it. She's amazing.

I love Lucy. The Cosby Show. I'm saying it. It does not take away. I grew up on that. Sorry, this is not an endorsement of Bill Cosby. This is an endorsement of the Cosby show. This is an endorsement of the Huxstables.

I said it. The Huxstables. He was playing a character. he was not playing himself. Thank you very much. I thought we were the Huxdibles. So you're not taking my childhood away from me. Fresh prints. Okay. And breaking bad. Breaking bad. That's dope. That's dope.

Davis Wallace, way to make me relive the horror of one of my favorite shows of all time featuring a guy, whatever, Davis, fuck you. Next question. This is from Lena. Do you have a nickname that only family members or close friends call you? If so, what is it? Spanky. Is it really?

Yeah. Why? My dad just called that. Spank. Wow. You heard it here. You know the thought words are going to be calling you that. Mine is Petunia.

Okay. Do you know who Petunia is? I don't. I don't know who Petunia is. Petunia is Porky Pigs' girlfriend. And dad is. As a child, I look pigish. Porky pig in a relationship.

She's a real thing. Google her. I'll look her up. I'll look her up. Kind of looks like the piggly wiggly pig. Oh, the piggly wiggly pig. You know, there was a time I went and, matter of fact, I was in Zachary or Baton Rouge. And the piglet, the pig,

was not lit up and it was actually brown. Yeah. Brown pigs. Are they always like that? Because it looked like blackface. It looked like a, you think we had a black face pig. A black face pigly wiggly.

It was when I was dating the guy from Zachary. And I wish I still had the picture. I took a picture of it and I said, wow, where are we right now? It was my first time there. Maybe it was a black pigly wiggly though. Maybe it wasn't that he was a pig was in black face. That's all I'm going to say.

It's southern Louisiana. Pigley wiggily wiggily. Because I didn't know that there was a piggly wiggily. Then it was Baton Rouge. But it was down. Well, we haven't been Baton Rouge. Then it was, I mean, they're right next to each other. Yeah, we haven't been bad.

But I, but I, but I was. Is where my, that's, I mean, that's where my, my father lives in Zachary right now. So I'm looking at it right now. The pigly wiggly and Zachary closed. There used to be one, I guess. Oh, no, I'm going to be real with you. I'm looking at a picture of a pig and he kind of looks a little brown. Thank you.

I'm not, he doesn't have the, the hue of the periods that I normally see. Piggly wiggly, crazy. All right, next question. Next question. Let's go. This is from Tess Kittleberger, Insink or Backstreet Boys. Insync, easy. Insync.

Sheesh. This is from Elliot Kindler. What was the worst date you ever been on in your life? Why was it bad and what happened? All right. So back in Louisiana, there was this girl from work, Tasha, that I had been trying to get to go out with me, but she wouldn't go out with me.

She'll know if she hears this. We worked at Best Buy Together. Tasha, I've been trying to get Tasha go out with me for a long time. You know what I mean? She agreed to go out with me one time. I think I might have told this story. Finally, you wore her down. Way down in a hole.

Like Steve Urkel. exactly exactly but I didn't wear it down by harassing her I was just you know we talk I'd be like yo you want to go catch a movie or something like that and one day she was just like yeah and I was really felt great about that it was great so um we were going to see this movie called the order with Heath Ledger and I was uh I was trying to groom myself to go out there and I made a mistake and shave my mustache off. Like I was grooming myself. I can't remember what happened.

I was a zint and it was a big patch in my mustache. And I started, I started to just color in the patch. No! And like, and continue to go because I did not want to be without my mustache. And after this, I was just like,

yo, I just got to shave the whole mustache off and start back because it's whack, right? So I shaved. I shaved it off. Okay? This was I had no beard. So I had no beer.

So the whole face. Fresh baby face. Fresh baby face. Mustache going on. I was like maybe she won't recognize. Maybe she won't notice it. Maybe she won't notice it. Maybe she gets in the car and she goes,

oh. She was like, did you shave? And I was like, yeah. She was like, why? And I was like, you shaved your mustache. I'm like, you look like a little boy. And like that was my only shot and it was I was behind the eight ball the whole night We went to the movie the movie was crazy I fell asleep in the movie

It was just like it was a terrible date It was horrible but you mean you you didn't come presentable then you fall asleep in the movie It's your fault by the way she's still cool like me and her were cool way after that Oh yeah you friends own yourself big time Jesus Christ it was the must it was the lack of mustache She saw you as a little boy. I jumped into the friend zone. After that, after that date, I was actually happy to be in a friend zone. I was like, you know what?

This is my place. This is my zone. This is the friend zone. What about you? I'm glad you'd accept it. Mine's more disturbing. I went on a date with this guy and we were hitting it off and he was older than me. How are we talking about?

I was 23 and I think he was 31. Okay, cool. And so I'm like, okay, like this is, this is, this is going well. Good conversation, good dinner. Then you go, you know, you keep the date going. You go to the next spot. So we went to like kind of a bar where they were also playing music.

And we were jamming and just talking. And I'm like, wow, you know, I really think I'm into older guys. Like the conversation is just so much better. And then he's like, hey, there's this other spot you want to go to. We were driving separately. Okay. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to go to this next spot. So we pull over to the spot.

It's very dark. And I'm like, I've never been over here before. And I'm like, oh, this must be like an after-hour spot. Like, this must be like a low-key VIP. There's no sign on the door. And I walk in. And I notice there are a bunch of, there's an open area. And then there are these rooms all on the side.

And then I zero in on what's happening in the middle. And I'm like, what kind of club is this? It was a swingers club. Oh. And I don't know what I said to him to make him think, you know what? She'd be real down with this. And I just politely excused myself and I left and I never talked to the guy again. This was on the first date?

This is on the first date. Wow. Nah, he's a psychopath. This was on the thank God we drove separately. Nah, he just left. He is psychopath. First date. This was the first date.

Okay. Another question. you remember the address of the place? I don't know. It was in Dallas. It was Dallas. I know that. That's crazy.

That's like, I know the address of the place. Yeah. This was, I mean, 23. So this is what you're talking like 13 years ago. 23,

13 years ago, yeah. But now that's, that's pretty, that's pretty bad. That's scary, though. Yeah. No,

it's just like when I think back on it, I'm like, wow. Yeah. It's crazy. All right, that's it. No more questions.

Trudy, that's enough of that. Rachel, do you have an unexpected ally of the week? Oh, hold on. I did. There were a couple. I saw a couple of good things this week. Okay, okay.

A couple of good things. All right. Do you have one while I'm looking? I'm trying to pull. Oh, you don't. I do not have an unexpected ally of the week this week. I wish that I did. Hold on.

Let me give people their props. Give them their props. Oh, Baltimore Ravens owner donates $4 million to HBCUs in honor of General Manager Ozzie Newsom. Okay. That's it. That's the story.

That's the unexpected ally of the week. Four million to HBCUs. Yeah, I get it. That's great. That's amazing. Good for him. Good for all the HBCUs, baby. People that went to the HBCUs, baby.

And people who didn't. Rachel, next week I'm going to be recording a podcast from New York City. Yeah. I see you keep. tweeting you want everybody to know you're going to new york and i don't you know i did i tweeted one time what you're talking about i think you also put it on your instagram yeah saw it twice because i want to do podcasts so like you're letting people know you you're in the area yeah and i've already been hit up to do five potty's i'm gonna do

say less with my man cass i might probably i might i might do brilliant idiots with charlemagne and andrew shultz oh you'll definitely do that you can do joe buddn uh a nice No. You know, I might squeeze in an L breakfast burrito club. El breakfast burrito club. So you got up here without me? On the breakfast club? I won't do it.

That's it. I'm not doing it. Listen, I'm going to New York in two weeks. It's over. If you can hold off a week, that'd be great. I'll hold off. I'll hold off.

We'll go up there. I won't do it. I'm not doing it. It's over. It was an idea. It was a thought. And now I guess where it is. No, go on there and promote higher learning.

Nope. We'll do it together. We'll do it live together This is what we'll do You're right You're right about that Okay Melissa van

Have a safe trip And have fun When's the last time You're in New York City It's going to feel good To be back in the city right Not really No

I'm excited to go You're happy You're happy to go to New York You love it there No We are out of here Always big shouts out to our producers Donnie Beecham and Trudy Joseph, Trudy Joseph, and Dony Beacham,

who make the show possible. We appreciate you guys. All right, you guys, take anything caps off. We do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen. I'm Rachel Lindsay. We are out.