Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Being Proud of Not Dating Black Women, and Talking Hip-Hop With Reason

Episode Date: January 7, 2022

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the ‘Fresh and Fit’ podcast hosts’ declaration about not dating Black women (5:04), then rapper and L.A. native Reason talks the rise in crime in the city and the current state of hip-hop beef (28:11). Plus, New York’s newest mayor draws backlash (1:03:56).  Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Reason Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel, what kind of drink are drinking right there? You know, okay, I have a confession to make. What's a confession?

My name's Rachel Lindsay. Uh-huh. And I'm addicted to Red Bull. It's not good. I'm on a whole health, eating clean, and I really have been. Like, I've really been good. came from this retreat. However, I've got some issues and one of them is Red Bull.

You like Red Bull. You like Red Bull. Sugar free though. Sugar free. It's just like, just make you all jittery though. Look, we want to check back in with the first segment of last week's show, which is Trudy's Corner. It's been unanimous on Reddit. That pound town guy is creepy. Reddit has spoken. Mr. Poundown, they say that he's creepy. And I just want to let Mr. Poundown know that if he's listening, you can still course correct.

Okay. You don't have to be creepy Mr. Poundtown guy the entire time. You can still course correct. Okay. But you thought he was creepy, right? 100%. And I disagree with Van. I'd like to just move on.

I'm just letting him. No, you like, if he does, great. Good for him. But, you know, I'm just letting you know the consensus is you got a little bit too much dip on your chip there, Mr. Poundtown. All right. Dip on the chip. Now, we're going to start with. That's so gross.

It's just sounds so gross. I hate it. I dip it on the chip in thing. Dip it on the, what's your favorite dip? Have you ever asked you this? No. You haven't asked you? What's your favorite dip?

What's Rachel's going to do? No. No? No. No? No. No. I don't like that answer. What? You asked me to answer. I answer for answer truthfully and you're going to tell me no.

No. No. No. Pico de Gaio. That's not. Why not? It's a dip. I use it on chips. What is the problem? What's your favorite dip? It's like, so you mean tell me with all the delectable dips out there, you dice up some vegetables, put it on the chip and that's your whole thing. Oh. I don't say I make it myself. What about what about? What about our french onion? No. So that's disgusting. French argument dip is disgusting? I have an issue with textures. You know, my pickiness is rooted in textures. So I can't handle the texture of most dips. So Pico de Gayo has like some, a different texture to it that I can handle. It's got a little bit of crunch. And I can deal with that. Okay. Look, thread up on the Thought Warriors Reddit, what is a better dip? Pico de Gio or French?

I don't want to participate. No, no. It's done. We did it. We are the thought warriors ready. We are. We are. First of all, first question is, is Pico de Gallo a dip?

Which I say yes. If so, is it better than fridge? You know why you want to say no? Because you know it's a better dip. You're mad you to think of it first. My nigger. Yeah. In a million years, I would never choose.

You're talking to a bona fide fat boy. In a million years, I would never choose pigo de gall over a French onion dip. Like, there have been times when I've actually, when the French onion dip is still plentiful, but the chips are down to their crumbs, I've been known to take a spoon. Dip it into the bag of chips with the crumbs on the spoon and then dip that into the French onion dip dip and eat it like that. I love a little French onion. I need you to understand.

These thoughts have never crossed my mind. Because you're not intuitive and you're not inventive. Well, because I don't like food. With food like that. Remember, I eat food to survive, not for pleasure. That's how I am right now, by the way. I'm logging all my meals and I'm doing all my things. I've lost an astounding seven pounds this week.

That's amazing, Van. Probably there's a lot of water. Yeah, we're doing great. All right. We have to talk about something. I don't want it. I don't want it. The only pico I know is the one that's right outside there, not too far from where I'm back.

That's the only pico I want to know. Pico, take you all the way to the beach, take you all the way downtown. Other than that, have no use for Pico. Okay, we're going to start with something interesting now right now. Here on Higher Learning, we don't normally get into trashing podcasts or podcast beef. It's not our cup of tea. We like to talk about relevant issues. But there is something that happened on a podcast that we've both been discussing,

that we simply cannot go without talking about here on Higher Learning. Okay, Rachel knows what I'm talking about. Rachel's watched it. You have to see the look on her face. It's very funny. All right, there's a podcast that goes on down there in Miami. It is called Fresh and Fit. The structure of the Fresh and Fit podcast is fresh and fit.

They call themselves high value males, which is, of course, a term. Oh, my God. Oh, and you had told me that I never would have pressed like, what the fuck? They are high value males. Of course, that is a term that has been coined or made popular by Kevin Samuels. And the Fresh and Fit podcast deals with male-female dynamics and things that go on down there in Miami. But they, they're part of the manosphere. There's all these podcasts out there right now with this really, really masculine super energy.

I would even say masculine because the masculine energy is completely awesome and great. But they have this like, I'd say they're men, men, men, they're men and women and this and that. That's what they're trying to do. Maybe toxic masculinity would be a better thing. But I don't want to brand them as toxic. That's what they're doing. And a lot of people like fresh fit. Now, Fresh Fit have talked about a lot of things.

They talk about going out on yacht parties. They're talking about the fact that they don't want to be with one woman because they're high value men. All of these things they've talked about. But they've also decided recently for whatever reason or in the past. at some point, that they were going to talk about black women. Fresh is, I think, I think fresh is from Barbados. And fit, I think is part Sudanese. So these are both guys that we would consider here in America to be black.

Now, this all started initially when they had Asian doll on the podcast. You see when they had Asian doll on the podcast? I did. Ficked Asian doll off of the podcast because he said that she was being disrespectful. He didn't actually kick her out. Let me make sure I know that. She left. She left.

She left the podcast because she said that he was being too mean or whatever. Then a clip surfaced a fresh and fit to black dudes talking about why they don't date black women. or not why, but the fact that they don't date black women, this is that clip. I mean, hey, bro, if you want to date a bunch of Shanikas, go for it, man. La Quisha. Yeah, like, me and Fresh aren't really down with the brown like that. We ain't night writers. No, I'm good.

You know, sometimes if they're, you know, redbone, but like in general, me and Fresh, don't dabble in the dark, if you know what I'm saying. Yep. Okay. So, obviously that clip made its way to the Shade Room. It made his way to the Shade Room in light of the Asian Dog clip, because a lot of people thought that they were mean to Asian dog. All right.

So before we get into what we thought about both things, fresh and fit took it upon themselves to address the clip on a stream that they did earlier this week. This is basically what they had to say about what they had to say about black women, about the fact that they do not date black women, and about anybody who questions why that might be the case. Go ahead and roll that, Donnie. When it comes to dating and your personal preferences,

No one bats an eye When women say I want a man that's six feet tall Makes a certain amount of money Blah blah blah blah Those are considered preferences But if I say hey man I don't date black girls like that Oh god

You hate black women How dare you? You know what I'm saying? It's ridiculous My mom's black, your mom's black Yeah my sister's black like bro We just have a preference If we hate a black woman Would we bring African American women And black women on the show?

Okay but the question Let me finish We would not If we had an issue with them our dating preferences are our preferences, just like you have the prerogative as a woman to date, a man that makes a certain amount of money, a high income, whatever it is. No one batts and I, we are free to choose who we want to hook up with and date. Like, what the hell? Like, there's not wrong with having a preference.

Okay. Before I even jump in with any of my thoughts, I've been talking a lot. But Rachel, you are the resident black lady, you and Trudy. Trudy, I know Trudy got to say, you and Trudy of the podcast. What's your response to what Fresh and Fitz said? I have a question first. Sure. In those clips that we saw, because I was unfamiliar with them, I was unfamiliar with their

podcast. I don't know how popular it is, but when I watched the clips, there were women also sitting at the table. Black women, several. Are they a part of the podcast normally? So I actually had talked to academics and actually had got a DM from Fresh about maybe going on their podcast because what they talk about is like relationships and all that stuff like that.

Tell them to come here and I'm going to tell you in a second. And so, but yes. So what they typically do is there are two guests and then there's a whole table. It's actually a really novel way to do it to do content. A whole table full of people. Excuse me. They're two hosts and a whole table full of people. They talk and then there's a conversation that goes on around the table.

And yeah, a lot of times they're black ladies up there. But it's Miami. so it's a very multicultural, you know, community. So you have blacks, you have Latinos, you have Cuban ladies, you have Dominican ladies, you have all different types of ladies. But they're normally of a certain age range. And they're all sitting around talking about that type of stuff. Okay.

So that's nice if that's the concept of it. But I didn't grasp that when I watched those clips because on multiple occasions and there's another occasion where they're, I think, no, that's when they're explaining why they said what they said about black women, fit, hushes. the black woman. Like, hush, I'm talking and multiple occasions. So that's why I was trying to understand the setup of this show because they don't invite conversation.

They shush people. And it is very toxic. Just let you know, he says only one person talks at a time. So even in that same clip, which I watched the entire thing, I watched their entire stream, when somebody else would try to cut that same girl off, he would say stop, let her finish. Unless he was talking.

Well, what I'm saying is, listen to what I'm saying. I'm saying is if she was talking, he would stop and say let her finish talking. And then when he's talking, I'm not making up. I'm not taking up for him. I'm just saying if people watch the stream, his whole thing is when one person is talking, don't interrupt. So when he should show like that, that's what he is.

I understand. I guess I just saw the guys talking over each other back and forth. But when a woman would step in, it was like hush. Yeah, okay. That's what I noted. So there was some extreme toxic masculinity going. And the reason why I said, don't go on. on their podcast come over here because,

and I wanted to understand the setup of that show. It's because I didn't like, and I didn't watch the whole thing because I had enough watching the clip that I needed, I wanted to hear from the women who they were offending at that table. I wanted them to hear it. And it seemed like, and maybe it comes later on in the past.

She did. I mean, in that clip. She did get a chance to talk. You let her have a hold. Yeah. That's the clip that we need to see. Because the way it looks, it looks like the black women aren't even given a chance

to speak on what they're saying. So I'm glad to hear that. Okay, so moving on. I hate that we have to talk about this subject. And people who are listening are probably like, oh, they're just so, they're ignorant. That's an ignorant line of thinking. That's just these two guys. No.

The reason we have to talk about it is because it is that they are not, they don't stand alone when it comes to that line of thinking. There are a lot of black men who think that way. There are a lot of black men who say that very proudly and, loudly. It's not just a one-off. I can remember in college where I would have black men tell me to my face that they didn't date black woman. They wanted a woman who looked a certain way. And if she might be black, she had to have European features, which is what they referenced with, well, maybe I would do a red bone. It's so sad that they can't understand how damaging that is,

because they're allowing a certain type of stereotype to perpetuate within our community and are okaying it. But it's also so damaging because they're trying to mask it under, oh, it's just a preference, just like you might like somebody tall or with a certain eye color. But that's the difference. A preference is, oh, that's my taste or maybe I have a tendency to like that. What they're doing is it's an absolute. I absolutely don't date black women.

and then use derogatory language like, oh, all black women have names like Shakita. You dabble in the dark. It's disgusting. And they talk about it as if they're repulsed by black women. That's not a preference you have to not date black women. You are disgusted by them. And if I had been at the table, my immediate question would have been like, why? That's what the girl asked.

Why are you so adamant? Yeah. And what was their response as to why? that they don't have to explain why. And I'll tell you why they're afraid to say it. They don't like black women. That's there's if they don't want to say it. Yeah.

But no, but they're masking it under, I have a preference just like you. What it really is is self-hatred and a disgust of black women. So if you do a social caste system, black women are at the bottom. And they play into that thought by talking,

calling them Shaniquas and dabble in the dark and all of these, these like they're disgusted by us. So they say that they don't have to explain because they don't want to face the truth. They don't want people to know the truth. They don't like black women, period. Right. Okay.

Yeah. I mean, everything that you said is true. I think a couple of things jump out of me. Number one is this. So to your point about this sister who asked them why, she asked them a couple of times why. She asked them both and why. They said they didn't have to explain it. That's bullshit.

That's cap. that's cowering from the conversation. I'll tell you why it is. Yep. And this is directly the fresh and fit. Your whole podcast is the why. That's what any podcast is. And a podcast is the why.

You come on there and you said, you say, I don't feel like I should have to be just with one woman. Well, why? The answer is because I'm a high value man. And a high value man means this and this and that podcast. If a podcast wasn't about the why,

then it would simply, be people going around making statements. Hey, I think this. Wow. I think that. Wow. Really? What you mean? The why is why people are watching it. Their podcast is full of wise. No matter what they're discussing, whether it's social, whether it's financial, whether it's relationships, whether it's whatever it is. You know what I mean? It's all about why. So to draw that line then is to your point, them just not going, them not wanted to say. the quiet thing out loud. Okay, number two,

I actually don't begrudge anyone who has a preference. I don't care about that. Like, I don't know why people have preferences. I don't know why preferences exist. It is a, that's actually not true. I absolutely know why preferences exist. I know that a beauty standard is pushed down people's throat. I know that the way Europe and the European imperialism has affected the world

means that white means right. If you're not white, the closer you are to white, just the better off you are, the more attractive you are, the more whatever. And I understand that that is something that comes from centuries and centuries and centuries of programming. I get that. What I'm saying is I don't want to legislate that with anyone because that's almost a psychological level of piercing into them that to me isn't really worth my time.

It's not worth my time for me to explain. explain to for me, because I don't think people want to hear it. It's not worth my time to explain to Fresh, who is from Barbados, who says the first time he had sex with a woman, she was a white woman, she was a tourist, and then forever he liked white women because of that. There's a reason why white women are tourists in the country that he lives in. See what I'm saying? It's a reason why they come to the country that you live in for fun. And a reason why the economy of the country that you live in, that you come from, is based upon how many white people show up there every single year. There's a reason why all of that stuff worse. There's a reason why all of these

beautiful places in the Caribbean or in Africa or wherever is a reason why all of those places with all of these resources are still poor. There's a reason why. All of this stuff comes from the same reason. That's probably a conversation that is a lot, maybe even too deep. Maybe people don't want to have the conversation. I'm not trying to force that on people who don't want to have it. This is what I'm saying. Fuck all of that. Fuck it.

Fuck why. Even fuck the why. The why for me, I don't care about. I couldn't care less whether or not these guys want to date black women. I really don't care. I mean, I have to care about whether or not my nephews want to date black women. I have to care about whether my homies want a day black women.

I have to make sure that the guys around me that I can still influence that they can properly appreciate sisters and give sisters and make great homes with them and do the things that they have to do. I have to care about them. I can't care about grown men who I'm out here feeling or however they feel. I'm not going to fight that battle. This is what I will say. You attacked black women. So there's a difference. And let's be fair and honest about this. Let's be men. Forget about the high value part. Let's be men. You attack black women. You call my mama, Shanika. You call my sister, Shinika. You call my podcast. co-host of Shanika. Fresh and fit

owe black women an apology. They owe black women an apology because what was said, whereas it would have been taken, they would have been offended no matter what. If you go on your podcast and you say, I don't date black women, it'd have been offensive no matter what. The way that they said it, the fact that they announced it so loudly, the fact that they threw it out there like it was a stat, like it was something to be

proud of, that specifically denigrates a group of people that I am irrationally protective of needs to be reconciled. It does. They also said on the podcast that they make fun of all kinds of groups.

Hey, we make fun of everybody. But all of a sudden, when we make fun of black women, now y'all want to get up in arms? Yeah. And let me tell you why. The protection of black women and black people has to be irrational in OD because the attacks of black women and black people are irrational in OD.

See, we have to be irrational. We have to be emotional. We have to be aggressive. We have to be completely laser focused on protecting ourselves because the attacks are just like that. It's irrational and like overzealous and OD to have mamies and have blackface and have menstrual shows and have black women portrayed as hypersexualized. or loud or crass. All of that's OD. See, all of that's too much.

All of that's overaggressive. So yeah, I'm extra sensitive. And a lot of people, black, white, all over the place, they're extra sensitive about that. So the reality is, no, you can't live like that. You can't live taking shots of black women. We're talking about a protected class. I definitely feel like that sisters have to be a protected class.

because they've been overly assailed. And it's not me, it's not me waxing poetic. It's not me going crazy. It's not me doing the same van thing where I lose myself. They wrong. Period.

And so, and so for me, and so for me personally, I don't give a fuck. It's for somebody else to have a discussion about fresh and fit, about the centuries and centuries of programming that have led to them looking at the women

Fitz said that his mom has asked him why he doesn't bring a suit and these girl. Fred said that their mother has asked him why he doesn't date a woman. I think he's from Barbados. Why they don't bring these women home? They've asked them that. Their mothers have asked them that. The reason why your mom has asked you that is because you not dating women that look like her, you're hurting her.

she wonders why she's not good enough for you she wonders what she did wrong to bring someone into the world who cannot find beauty in how she looks now the reason is it you don't have to but you do have to show respect you don't have to date black women you don't have to like black women you don't have to be around black women but fam i'm going to need you to respect black women. And what you said and what you did was irrespectful. Well, that's the whole thing. And this is where I would disagree with you is the why is so important. Because these two individuals have a microphone. And because of what I said earlier, they're not alone in their thinking. And for some people who are listening to this on the surface,

they may say, hey, what they're saying, they have a point. Like, they have black women in the room. so clearly they don't hate black women. They have black friends. They have black mothers. I get what they're saying. I have preferences too. The reason you have to understand the why is because you have to pierce through that. You have to understand that having them in the room doesn't mean that you respect them, you value them, or that you desire them.

Having them sit at the table for you, like that's the thing with black women. Just because they're the way they feel about black women, just because they're sitting next to you doesn't mean that you have any respect for them. Watch the way that they treated Asian women. doll in that room. It was a hundred percent disrespectful. And so I think that for people who are listening to this, who on the surface are like, they have a point. They have to understand why they make the comments they do, why they are so nasty to black women, how deeply rooted it is. And I think that's the deeper discussion that needs to be had on that podcast. That's why I said, no, don't come over there, come over here because it's a bigger conversation that it doesn't just need to live on their

podcast. Other people need to hear this as well. I mean, we can have it. My thing is this, we can have it on the podcast, but I don't think it does much use to have it with them. And, you know, like, just because all you're going to give from them is defensiveness and all of that. Like, to have a conversation about the perversion of the European beauty standard and why it's so pervasive, not just here in America, but really everywhere you go. Colorism exists everywhere. Racism exists everywhere in the beauty center everywhere. It's definitely a deep conversation.

to bring a couple of guys on who have talked about why they don't like blood I'm not dealing with that type of energy I don't fucking care but they're not alone is what I'm trying to say is we can have the I understand that they're not alone but what I'm saying is we can have that conversation without them all that's going to do is run my blood pressure up we can have like we can we can have that conversation about that feeling and about where that comes from we can have that conversation without them but and maybe it's different and maybe it's different and maybe this is a black man, black woman thing. I don't give a fuck who they decide that they want. I already know why. It's not them in particular. They're just the face of a whole school of thought that has made black women feel less than for years. I know, but the whole them, the whole them.

I don't care. I'm like the, the entire them. By the way, most black men, overwhelmingly most black men are into black women. So there's a, there's a. Correct. Correct. They might not as strongly say, I only date, I don't date. I refuse to date black women.

But, and Trudy can hop in on here. I am telling you, there are a lot of black men who will tell you I like somebody who has a certain skin complexion. Of course. A certain type of hair texture. Like, I, I don't just want a black, black woman. I'm telling you. Oh, no.

No, I completely understand that. And I think you can love black women, but then also hold black women to European standards. And you know what I'm saying? Like so it's just so deeply rooted. No, that that's, I'm from Louisiana. So like, you know what I mean? So I certainly know about it was times growing up where I wasn't light skin enough. It's definitely different for men.

But there's times in like where I wasn't light skin enough. My sister who is light, bright can see her veins and her arms. Damn, she is uncomfortably light skin. Ebony, if you can hear this right now. get some sun baby go out in the backyard get a little sun your light skin people would be like damn that's your sister and like man you could be cute if you were light skinned with some green eyes or something like that like get out of here this big ass nose you're gonna like this big ass nose but no I understand what you're saying what I'm what I'm saying is to your point you're right

and all of that stuff needs to be explored it has to be explored but fair or unfair I'm for black men to have decorum when speaking about black women. At the least, I understand what, like, whatever. I'm asking you, because of the situations that we are in, I'm asking for some decorum. I don't give a fuck how you talk to other people and with the jokes you play in the games you play. I don't give a fuck how you talk and joke with your Latino friends. It was a girl on the podcast talking about she loved to say the N-word. These n-word didn't say shit.

I don't give a fuck how you play with them. I don't care. But I am asking and I don't think it's irrational to ask. And even if it is irrational, ask, I don't give a fuck for some decorum and some respect to be maintained when you're speaking and talking to black women. And I think that's a cultural edict that look, if there was a woman in there that was 50, 60 years old

and they're talking to her crazy, I'm going to be like, yo, respect your elders because they deserve that. When it comes to like, sisters even more than that, bro, come on, man, get right. That ain't get a little tighten up on your shit, bro. Tighten up. Tighten up. Talk about some Shinika, nigger.

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Oh, that's beautiful. Thank you for that. I'm going to keep it gangster, man. Shout out to everyone. Best rappers in the world. The homie reason. representing TDE. I see he's got the platinum album in the background.

Jesus Christ. Now I feel like one of them dudes is like, you know what I mean? Don't. Don't. It is what it is. Be proud. I'm going to go get my Oscar

and put it in the background, nigga. You stunting on niggas. Look, so we want to talk about a lot of things with you. We also want to talk about the little back and forth that happened in the comments on Instagram. It was coming from me.

Wait. back and forth on your point of your post fan oh man i be i be responding to van like he just one of the homies forgetting that like he got all these followers like you know what i mean like but this i talked with my homie so i'm just responding and then i had to i had to kind of like defend myself a little bit so before we get into that and kind of the fresh and fit stuff because we just talked about it a little bit before let's talk about what's popping in l. now you are from here are you not yeah yeah i'm from there so you are from l.A so you are well aware of of what goes on in LA streets.

What happens with LA rap and like so that the climate as it has ebbed and flow over the years. How do you feel right now? You're a rapper, bro. Yeah. Like you're a rapper. Is it safe to be a fucking L.A. rapper right now, man?

It seems like the streets is on fire out there for folks. Be honest with you. I'm not even going to box it into rapper. It's just kind of not safe to be in L.A. right now. Like L.A. is really like, it's like, L.A. is always, had its moments where, you know, we've gone through this thing called 100 days, 100 nights. That's been a thing before.

It's been like a gang initiation thing or it might be like a gang retaliation thing where they try to kill like one person every single day. So we've gone through different things in LA at different times. But this is the first time that we kind of like went through three or four things at once. You know what I mean? Like we went through 100 nights. We went through, you know, just the whole EDD PPP thing not being a thing anymore. so a lot of people are outside trying to figure out other ways to get it

and then mixed into that like a couple of gang beefs and then mixed into that a couple of rap beef. So I just think that like in this last like three months, it's just been crazy. Like it's been like it's, I've never seen LA like this before, honestly. Never. I've net lit literally I have never in my life seen LA as bad as has been the last two and a half, three months. It's to a point literally I was just talking to my boy.

We were trying to find something to do for New Year's Eve. legitimately, I'm not even exaggerating. I called about 40 people. Nobody was doing anything. Everybody was going outside. Nobody was going anywhere because it's scary right now. You know what I mean? And so everybody is just like, you know,

it's like we're just staying the house. It is what it is. So, yeah. You know what's what? You know, I'm new to L.A. Yeah. You know, it's what I feel like we were hearing a lot about crime and different things that were happening.

And now I feel like I'm not hearing about it as much, or I just don't know if that's me being desensitized to how much we were hearing about it, which is terrible, how much we've been seeing about it on social media or hearing about it on the news. But on this podcast, we talked a lot about what's been happening in the hip hop community and with the senseless killing that we're seeing, not just in L.A., but just across the country. And I guess my question for you is, we've seen it happened before. Like Dallas is it's big in Dallas, I'm from Dallas. Is it worse than you've ever seen it before?

The state of hip hop when it comes to these senseless killings, it just seems like scary to just step out. Is it worse than it's ever been? Honestly, in my opinion, and you know, I wasn't like, like I was alive in the 90s, but I wasn't, you know what I mean? I wasn't older, you know, to be able to like, you know, really live into it. But from what I can experience, yeah, this has been like the worst that has been,

you know, rest of a piece of slim, honey, rest of piece of the ruler. I just, I haven't seen it like this before. You know what I mean? Like it's to a point to where, you know, I don't even understand the point of beefing because, you know, hip-hop beefs have always been either one or two ways. It's always been too far or it's been fun for the culture. You know, you go back and forth from records,

something that, you know, it's part of the culture. Yeah. You can't even, like, typically put that line of trying to do something for the coach or having a moment anymore because everybody is handling their issues in different ways. You know what I mean? And so I personally. I personally have never, I can't remember it being like that, you know, where we just have the killing of the dog, rest and peace to him. It's like, I haven't seen it this frequent,

you know what I mean, like ever in my time span. Now maybe, you know, it happened in the 90s during the pocket and the biggie stuff, but I don't remember that. You know what I mean? I didn't live through that like that. So you're on TDE. Yeah. And shout out to Top, me and Top. Let me tell you, say something real quick about Top. It's a lot of people that you meet in the industry that's cool that you cool with you pour up with when you see him it's a couple of people that have actually looked out for you yeah i knew you was about to say that your top is like yeah keep going keep going like who there's a there's a couple people who have actually like helped you in your career like looked out for you delivered stuff for you when you

didn't even ask them for it you know what you know what you didn't even ask them for nothing and that's top so shout out to top top who is the the CEO and the the big man over there at TDE. So just give him his followers there real quick. Now, TDE to me is a very interesting record label because y'all comment on everything that's going on in the culture, right?

And you got people representing all different types of sets. You got people representing different areas. Everybody getting along. But the music doesn't seem at all. It's not at all. Exploitive of violence, exploitive of the gang banging. It's all.

in there, but it's not the main thing with not one artist and you got gods from all over the city. I'm getting the old reason. I'm getting old. 41. I have said on this podcast before that I feel like the music

itself, we need to have a healthy conversation about how much of the music is just straight up glorifying, killing, like we in the fucking Grand Theft Auto game. And I'm like the old man, in my yard with the hose.

Everybody's screaming at me. You're a rapper. You need to be able to create and talk about whatever it is without anybody encumbering you creatively. How far do you think the content of the music goes into kind of some of the stuff we're seeing now? And is it time that we have a real conversation

about it? I think that the content, I don't, I'm not one of the people that feel like that content influences the things that. that happened, but what I do think is that the content makes people have to stand on who they are in the music, if that makes sense. So I personally think things go farther sometimes because it might be, like, let's say that that's what I rap about. And then I get into it with, you know, another rapper.

If I want to handle it peacefully and just have a conversation, I can't be that guy because on this song, I didn't kill 40 people. Do you get I'm saying? Like I was in a clubhouse room just random. And I saw, uh, you gotta stay off this. I know, I literally deleted the shit off my phone. But, um, uh, it was,

it was when Wack and 21 was getting into it. You get what I'm saying? And, um, I don't want to speak on the whole situation, but I did see afterwards, because 21 was just trying to like, be like, bro, like, I'm not about to mess with the money. I'm, I'm out of here, basically. You know what I'm saying? But you see people on Twitter like, oh, 21's supposed to be

a gang citizen. That's what I feel like the content. if 21 was less mature, he might have felt like, I got to stand on this now. So now me and Watt got to have a real issue. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Because of the content of which he might be rapping about

or whatever the case may be. So I don't think it's necessarily a content. I just think that it's more ego and pride that goes into it where you got to stand on who you are similar to being the rich guy that's rapping and then you're in the strip club and they expect you to throw 20 bands. It's the same thing, in my opinion. So let me follow up real quick then.

So who is, because they actually, to their credit, they were able to get that squash, right? Yeah, yeah. Wack and 21, they were able to get that squash. Yeah. But a lot of times the shit that we see in on Clubhouse and the shit that we see in all in these records, it's not getting squash.

That's real. It's guys that's still like, you know, when I run across you, I'm going to see you and all of this stuff. And then they end up running across each other and they see each other. So then whose job would it be? Because we all got, oh, gee. right no matter what it is that we're doing we got o g's whose job is it then to quiet some of this shit down when it gets started up from that yeah i think you said it i think it is though g similar

to like you know the j print situation with drake and and kane you know what i mean i just think that you know the the the ogs of the industry that we in you know what i mean uh you know maybe need to be more active especially if they have relationships you know what i mean with these people um it just needs to be more conversation like i look at it bro is that this is this ain't no to me, in my opinion, nothing in the industry is real beef. Anybody I've had a real issue with, thankfully it hasn't been

many, it ain't had nothing to do with rap, you get what I'm saying? And that's for anybody I know. So to me, it's like if it just comes from disrespect and words being thrown back and forth, I don't ever see why niggas can't have a conversation. You know what I mean? And I think that that's something that OGs needs to be pushing.

As far as TDE goes, I just think that the reason why we don't speak on none of that is because a lot of us really lived it and it's like it's not cool. Like you know what I'm saying? Like it's not cool. Like Q said this in a Twitch. He was like like it was either a Twitch

or it might have been us just chopping it like at the studio or something like that but he was like losers go to jail. Like I feel like a loser if I'm in jail. You get what I'm saying? He didn't mean it like everybody in jail is loser. What he meant to buy it is if I got all this money and I'm risking my freedom. I lost. I lost. Why am I taking

a chance to lose? You get I'm saying? If I have money and all this stuff going for myself, he was like, I'm not going to jail for nobody, you feel me? And so I just think that that has to be more of the mindset that the OGs is like pouring into the culture in my opinion. So do you think something needs to change in the message and in the content? And if so, what would that change be? It's hard for me to say it needs to change because I'm an artist

and I feel like every artist should be able to, you know what I mean, speak and talk about what they want to talk about. You know what I mean? whatever, because some of these people, like, you know, they really come from that. And some of them, like, they still in that. Unfortunately, you know what I mean? Like, they don't know how to make that break, you know, once they start making money. They don't, it's still kids at the end of the day. You know what I mean? And so in a perfect world, would it be great if everybody was sending a positive message? Yes. But then at the same time, we would lose some of what the culture is in hip-hop,

which is this is where we come from. You know what I mean? So I don't necessarily think it needs to be a change in the content. Like I said, it just needs to be a change in the culture as far as, like, what we're trying to do, the end goal at the end of the day. You know what I mean? Like, my opinion, I look at it as you get into music business for two reasons. You either love music and want to make the greatest music of all time

or that you can make, or you get in it to get your bread and hit a lit. It's one of the two, you know what I mean? So if it's bread and a hit a lick, then just get your money and get out the way, in my opinion, and nothing should be in the middle of that. You know what I mean? And if it's the music,

then just make your music. and, you know, stand on the greatest music that you can possibly give the world. I think it's just more of the ideas and the OGs and the mindsets of artists. That's why I love artists like Drake. He shows love to literally everybody. You know what I mean?

Like, from what I've seen, I love the fact that, you know, I love when two artists at the top of the game can get along without jealousy and, you know, all these other things. I just think that that needs to be pushed more instead of anything else. And a lot of it comes down to fans.

It's like fans, everybody wants to see a fight until the fight goes too far. That's worth. That's just what it is. You know what I'm saying? Like everybody wants, even if you had a club and you see two people fighting, you're all going to watch until somebody started getting stomped out. I'm saying? Or somebody pulled out of gun or to see a head and start bleak.

Then it's like, oh, damn, they shouldn't have been in, but it's like you got a hundred people with cameras out. You get them saying? Like, so I think everybody got to kind of take a little bit of responsibility in what's going on. Like it's the artist, it's the media, it's the fans. I think it's a little bit of everybody. Yeah. I'm going to come back to hip hop in one second because I want to talk about reason the rapper. But I'm going to ask you about the reply on social media.

So I put the thing up about the guys saying, fresh and fit talking about, you know, they don't want to date black women. And so I put it up there. And I said, hey, I don't like what people loudly announced that they don't want to date black women. Yeah. And I think it's one of the most anti-black things you could do. paraphrasing. And reason came back and reason was like, I agree, kind of. Reason. He's like, he's like, everybody should be able to speak on their preference.

I was like, yo, man, this reason is always about to happen to him. Look, I understand. I can't what he was saying. He's like, everybody should be able to speak on their on their preference and stuff. But actually, I'll read it right here. I'll read it right here. It says, let me get to it real quick. I mostly agree.

I think everyone should be able to speak on what their preference is, but I do agree that the devaluing, degrading, uh, of, et cetera, of black women is extremely anti-black and the corneous shit a man can do referring to the clip going around. Here's the thing. Reason. You just agree with me. Why did you jump into the front? And it's hilarious.

And I feel like I'm the most misunderstood, you know, on TV. And this is why. how I talk with my homies like you got to understand I got into the industry when I was older I got into the industry when I was 25 you get what I'm saying so I wasn't in it like that so I talked to media

I talk to anybody like they're the homies you get them saying so me when I'm reading it I'm not thinking about platforms I'm not thinking about none of that I'm like wait a minute I don't date white women and I don't want nobody telling me I can't say that out loud I'm thinking about you get what I'm saying so I'm like

Oh. I'm like, so you know me? I can't say I own date white women out loud because I can say it and I'm a stand on that. So I don't think nobody should be able to, like, this is how I think, you know what I'm saying? Like, so would I ever degrade or put down a white woman, no, I wouldn't? You know what I'm saying? But if I want to say on any public platform that I don't date white women, I'm going to say I don't date white women.

So I'm very big on keeping the same energy. But I feel like what they did was corny because you're attacking your own. people and probably the, not even probably, the most oppressed group of people that, you know what I mean, like are in America, period. So I just thought it was corny that you went out your way. Like, I just feel like there was other ways if you don't date black women. I personally feel like if asked or if it is brought up in a conversation,

you can say, I'd prefer to date white women. Maybe you grew up around all white women. Maybe you're not comfortable with talking to black women. Maybe you've gotten rejected by a bunch of black women, because that's what I think it is when black people don't, black men don't date black women. Maybe you've been rejected a lot, and this is where you win at.

You get what I'm saying? Whatever it is, I think you can respectfully say that without all the Laquishas and and night, right, all the stupid, the stupid shit that they said, I thought that that was corny and I thought it was super anti-black,

but I do have to remember that we're on social media. And the moment I say, mostly agree. It was on his head. It was so funny. I was like, yo, you saw my reaction. My sister hit me.

My sister hit me. It was like, I love reason. I came, I'm like, did you read what he said? He essentially said the same shit. It was, as well, as it said, mostly agree, it was up. You get what I'm saying? I was like, you know, let me respond.

I'm usually, I don't respond, but I'm like, let me respond a little bit. That way anybody that comes in, they can at least have a transcript to kind of read and whatnot. But it was more on that. Like, I'm just very big on freedom of speech as long as disrespect. And like I said, for me, it was more of this is how I talk with my homies. If my homies say, you shouldn't be able to say that out loud. I'm like, well, no, I don't date white women. And I'm always say that out loud.

So you're not going to be able to tell me what I can't say. And I'm not going to tell somebody else what they can't say just as long as it's respect in the room. That's my personal opinion. So, yeah. I'm so glad you could clear that up. Now, I did not see the comment, but you saw my reaction when I saw. But I'm also glad you just made that point, too, about I think there is a difference in saying you don't date your own versus you saying, I don't date white women. You know what I mean?

And so I think that people would use that as an excuse because, you know, they were on there talking about, well, you say you date, you know, you don't date. people or you don't date people with this color eyes. But if you say, if you attack your own, that's a completely different thing than just saying, I'm not into white women or I'm not into this or whatever. Whatever may be. Circling back to something you said, you said you like what Drake is doing. Who else, who currently in hip hop right now

are you feeling other than Drake? Because you already see that one. Yeah, I like that. Just from that standpoint, not necessarily like the quality of music, but which I think is first of that's very high quality of music, but Cole is doing something similar to that. working with a bunch of other people. I like that.

Lil Yadi has been doing that for like the past two years or something like that I like. I just like when people show love and collaborate and it doesn't have to be all the politics and, you know, who has what following. Like Yadi is doing records with dudes that got 40,000 Instagram followers. You get what I'm saying?

Because he met him and he liked their music, you know what I mean? Like I think stuff like that is dope because now we take the business out of the music. And I think that when you take the business out of the music, you get the best product, in my opinion. When it stops being about what makes the most sense profit-wise and it goes to what just makes the most sense music-wise,

you know what I mean? Like, to me, that's when we get the best music, the best product. That's when people are having the most fun. That's when we discovering the best artists because we might have not even known about this dude if this dude didn't do a record with them, you know what I mean? So it's a few dudes that's doing that.

But yeah, those two specifically are like the first two that come to mind. So I'm going to ask you two questions. number one. Number one, are you competitive in rap? For sure. I'm very competitive. You're competitive in rap. Like you, so you listen. That's rapper on TD. Like, that's how competitive I am. That's how I feel. You feel like you're the best

rapper on TD? I'm the best rapper on TD. That's how I feel. Do y'all talk about that on TD? Like, do you Abso, Kendrick? Not necessarily, but it's like, it's like an unspoken thing. Like, you, you know, like, you know how niggas feel because of how they react. Like, so, for instance, like, when I sent

Flickin' Up to have so like he said, Oh, he got, he got busy on Flickickin. And he, come a, let me, wait a minute, wait a minute, he got busy.

And so, he's stupid, but this is how you know when niggas is a competitive. So don't really call or nothing. Like, he sent me the verse and then gave me like four minutes and then called me and was like, did you listen to the verse?

Like, did you listen to the verse? Like, I'm just trying to get. Like, I'm just trying to. get a song done and you come over here doing all that you're doing too much you feel me like it's little stuff like that you know like you can kind of tell you know what I mean like we're all competitive in our own like

little separate way and whatnot so so then you feel like you're the best rapper on TDE sure um do you you don't you don't say that it's all now just let's just so people so people know yeah I'm not going to dis any other record labels yeah but what I'm saying is

if you're saying that you're the best rapper on TDE you're basically basically saying in a very like yeah it's a very small list pretty much after that like exactly you basically if you say you're the best rapper on TD I could I could take it as you saying you're the best rapper on the West Coast you're the best rapper maybe in the world yeah and you you you that confident you that competitive you feel like bar for bar nobody's fucking with reason I feel like bar for bar the only rappers that I would say I wouldn't just say I'm hands down just better than hands down is probably Hoven Way.

Those are the only two that I wouldn't just say that I'm better than. But there are other rappers that I will say are better artists than me. And I'm trying to grow on my artist here. I'm trying to make better music, write better hooks. You get what I'm saying?

But if we just all lined up and rap, if we just all lined up and rap, the only two I would feel like I just, I don't know if I can outwrap them is Jay Z and Ho. Those are the only two. Really? That's how I truly feel. And you should. And you should. And you should.

Andre 3000. Andre 3000. Like I got to love, let me, let me say this. I told you, I'm very honest. I say things I probably shouldn't say in the public. I'm saying it anyway. I got to see more from Andre. Like, I feel like it's very, and I'm not saying what Andre does is easy, but I feel like when you come outside once every four years and you give us the greatest verse we've heard in the last four years, I can do that. That's how I feel. I'm not saying it's easy.

It's just saying that I feel like I can also do that. You get what I'm saying? Like, and so, like, I don't have, I have Andre in my top 10, but I don't have him as high as most people have him. You get what I'm saying? Like, I have guys like Hov and Wayne because of how much they've given us. You know what I mean? Like, I have guys like, you know, Lupe Fiasco, fabulous.

Like, these are dudes that are in my top because they've been rapping at a high level for so long. Kendrick Lamar, Jay Cole. You get what I'm saying? So just so we're sure. just so we're sure. Yeah. Love Lupe to death.

Lupe actually, Lupe might be my favorite rapper. Really? I'm going to be in that three off. So Lupe might be able to outwrap me if we just lined up and rap too. Lupe's correct. Lupe might be my favorite rapper.

Lupe has made rapper raps that I mean, I was just a time of my life. I was like, I don't care what y'all niggas say. This nigg is the best nigga. I was on that same way for a good three and a half, four years for sure.

Right. But just just so you know. Oh, go ahead, Rach. I'm sorry. Well, no, no, no, finish your thought. Go ahead. Just so you know, it's a lot of guys out there to be rapping. My man, Royce, the 5-9, be rapping.

Royce is crazy. Royce is super crazy. Right. But you say that Fabulous is better than Andre 3000. In my opinion, yes. Fabulous is better than-old. I was going to say, just for fun, can we just go ahead and line them up? Yeah.

I mean, I would love something like that. You get what I'm saying? Like, but like, I feel like if you lined up Fabulous, I got my money on FAPE. That's how I feel. Word up. I'm not about to hate on Fab. But God damn, that boy from Atlanta is a monster reason. He reason.

Come on. We love Fab. I love Fab. You know damn well. Three sacks is. Well, that's the thing. I don't. Reason.

I've seen, look, look, so I've seen records like, like, what's that joint? Fab is crazy. Respect to Fap. He's outwrapped Wayne. If you can outwrap Wayne, you can outwrap Andre 300. He's outwrapped Wayne on records. I don't think that if they line up, if they do a six minutes of death type record,

like I'm not saying that it's easy for Fab, but I think if Bab came in there with a mindset of, I want the best verse, I think Bab can outwrap Andre 3000 on that verse. Reason, you just got the best promotion for your next project because my friend, you just went viral. You just went viral. Tell us what your 2022 is coming up with, bro.

Yeah. So I'm working on a little, another pack of records. I just dropped the pack of records in October. I'm trying to do. That's like been like my new thing, while I'm finishing the album. So I'm trying to drop another four pack. Actually, I'm trying to release a single,

not like a single business wise, but just like a Lucy in two weeks and then follow up with the four pack and then follow up with my album in April. So I'm trying to be busy, do something that, you know, TDE standards is not normal, you know what I mean? But I just got a lot of music and I'm trying to just get as much of it out there.

But I'm really excited about this upcoming album. This is like the album I've been working on for like the last three and a half years. Like I work on you, take breaks and then go do new beginnings, and then work on it, and then take a break and go do the CP. And then work, you know what I mean? So I've been working on this album literally since before I got signed to the label. You know what I mean?

Had this idea, concept, everything. And I'm at the tail end of it. I'm just looking for, like, the records that can live on the playlist and different things like that. Go be a big year for TDE? It's going to be a huge year for TD. And I know that, like, artists have said that before, but COVID kind of th up, but it's scary over here, bro.

I'm not even like, not even in no type of way exaggerating. Like, it's, it's going to be a very, very big year. I think this will be one of them years that people already say it, that we're the best rap label out, but I think this is going to be like, you don't have to, like, fans don't have to argue for us. Like, the proof is going to be laid out, you know what I mean? And because we know Dodd is leaving, but this album is still under TDE. So I don't want niggas trying to count this off like that.

You know what I'm a nigga is trying to say that ain't no TDE. I'm like, don't do that. And you're like, but like, this bomb is still ours. You feel, me like, so, yeah. So, you know, that alone by itself with Dot, you know, speaks volumes. And we pretty much are slated for almost everybody else to drop awesome.

You know what I mean? That's nuts. Yeah. That's great. That's a good tease. Yeah. No, I've no more. I've loved having you on the podcast.

I love somebody who speaks their mind and is not afraid of what people are going to say. That's exactly how I am. They'll kill me and get over it I'll defend you in the comments. Hey, listen, listen, seriously. Everybody knows that listen to hip hop that got it is one of the best rappers on the planet right now. Got some crazy hip-hop takes, but you know, West Coast guys always do.

My man, Glasses Malone, shout out Glasses. Glasses once told me that 4-4-4 wasn't a hip-hop album. You know, Glasses once told me, Westco's do is different. These got the best barbershop talks out here. Glasses say all kinds of, glasses are heat. me up like, bro, tell me when you think Jay-Z went pop. I'm like, glasses,

I want to have this conversation with you. Yeah, I'm not like, I want to have this conversation with you. All right, my man. Thank you for coming on the podcast, bro. We really enjoy it having you. I want to have you back around the time you're about to drop and I want to talk to you about having my company direct one of your videos. Hit me up.

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We got some new public servants coming. Okay. Okay. Some of the people that stormed the Capitol. Today is January 6th. This is taking a year ago today. We were watching. As a miracle was in peril,

as someone took a big jar of mayonnaise and spilled it all over in the Capitol. Helman's best. Helman's best. running down the size of the capital. By the way, I went to D.C. Like last year. The capital was huge, man.

I didn't realize it was that big. The capital is huge. So that took a lot, even to get up those stairs. I'm like, God damn, they have a piece. A lot of them. Yeah, white rage is very, you know, makes you athletic. So, but 57 people who played a role in the events on January 6th of last year. It seems fucking weird that that was a whole year ago.

I know. That's nuts. are now running for office. Doug Mestrano, Pennsylvania State Senator, the leading voice in the national movement to discredit the 2020 election results. There's a lot of people that are doing it.

At least 57 individuals are now running for elected office. What does this say to you? What do you think this means, if anything? And do you think that their proximity to what happened on January 6th will hurt them as they run for office? Absolutely not. Because 11 of the January 6th protesters

were elected into office after the January 6th protests or Ryan of last year. We've already seen it happen for 11. That, those 57 probably watching that, that gave them even more confidence that this was something that they could do and what they did is accepted.

And do I think it'll hurt, hurt them with the Republican constituents? No. Because as we all remember, we were watching it. We saw it in live time happening and it felt like it wasn't even of this country, of this world, as we were watching. It's like that's happening in our country in the United States of America. If there was going to be a time when things were going to be bipartisan and we were going to come together because we love our country and we stand for democracy, that was the time. to do it. And we did see people have a voice and speak out and condemn what happened, but that quickly changed. And we saw Republicans double down on what was done. They weren't standing, they weren't

calling it a riot. They were watering it down. What we all saw, what we were all scared and enraged and whatever emotion you might have felt watching that. Instead, they gathered together to fight against the Democrats and to stand in what happened. So why would this hurt? them with their Republican Party. The Republicans who lead this country align themselves with that behavior. Loved it. Doubled down on it.

Stood beside it. And so of course these people feel like they can run and win because they're going to win. Run and win. How about, yeah, they're going to win. I've seen some rumblings over there in Republic land of people like Dan Crenshaw

calling out. Marjorie Taylor Green. I've seen other people. I saw a guy on CNN trying to distance himself away from Trump and a potential 2024 election. I've seen little movements of people trying to distance himself from what happened on January 6th a little bit, but it's not nearly enough. They are still playing ball with the insurrectionists. Think about that. Your Republican Party.

The party of Kemp, the party of Dole, the party of Reagan, the party of Nixon. Those Republicans, that Republican, all of these guys, all of these America First, whatever, the George W. Bush will bomb the shit out of you party because it's America First. They're on the side of people who attacked the government. God damn it. These last couple of years have been a fucking doozy. these like look even the black lives matter kids they didn't even have it in them to go up there running up in the capital we fucked up target

you know what I mean like we fucked up fucking staples did you see dick Cheney what did Dick Cheney say he said he was on he was up there today you know because they were talking about January 6th and he was with his daughter and they interviewed him and asked him what he thought about he said

this doesn't look anything like it did 10 years ago so he's on the side of his daughter. Yeah. And I'm not here to promote Dick Cheney at all. But for Dick Cheney as evil as that man. Vader himself. He's like, we weren't like this 10 years ago.

So as dark as he is, he's saying these folks out here are darker. See, that's what, that's why America, this is crazy. America's always been afraid of the wrong people. Yeah, we got out there. We had some civil disobedience.

what did it cost you a couple of fucking printers? You know what I mean? Like what happened out there? Like yeah, they burned some swords. They did some bad stuff. Yeah, sure. Well, bad depending on how you look at it, civil disobedience is sometimes necessary to get it.

I don't think it was bad at all. Whatever, I'll be honest with you. These people stormed the capital. They took on the American seat of power. Insurrectionistrators, all led by President Trump, but you guys are playing footsie with him. Very interesting. Very interesting. The question now becomes whether or not you can get the train back on the tracks. It's off. It's off the track. It's not even close. It's so derailed. It's about to crash. We are slowly. If these 57 people are elected, we are slowly watching the country turn.

I don't think it's that slow. Okay. Well, fine. These people are stepping into power to make decisions to change the way things are run in this country. We're all. already seeing it. And if you're familiar with anything with the Handmaids Tell, remember, before they knew it, they saw stuff change. And the next thing they knew, they were living in Gilead. I'll be honest with you.

I just need to know when handmade land is coming. Because I'm not trying to live in Gilead. I'll be in Canada so fucking quick. Gilead sucks, bro. I'm going to keep a real with you. Do you watch a show? Yeah. Like, look, let me tell you what watching Handmaid's Tale is like,

it's like I've said this before. It's like showing up at one place at one time and letting somebody pull your fingernails off for an hour. It's like the hardest thing to watch. It's like, hey, you know what? Life's not bad enough. Come kick me in the nuts for 35, 45 minutes. They never win. You got the black dude, like her ex-husband up there going through it, you know.

And Gilead, no one's having fun. It looks like the men are having fun. The commanders are when they're at the brothel. Sometimes. Sometimes. But then they got to keep it a little too tucked. Gilead doesn't look very much fun at all. I don't want to live in Gilead.

Seriously. No, I don't either. That's what happened. Nobody realized it was happening. Oh, this is not that serious. Oh, it's not that big of a deal. Next thing you know, women aren't allowed to go to work anymore. What's her face?

The commander's wife? She was a part of it. She was a part of it. She was the leader until they put her. her place. Yeah, she was the Uncle Tom of women. And then after she became the uncle, she was the Commander's wife is the Uncle Tom of women. She really is. That's why she got it. She got it. Yeah, it's very crazy. All right. New York City mayor. Let me tell you something. I like this nigger. No. No. He got to get it together. He's got to get it together. No, y'all wrong.

Y'all wrong. Y'all like, y'all want to have fun. That's y'all problem. Y'all like this nigger. Adams. I wasn't very familiar with him when he was running, but I like him. This motherfucker here is crazy. Like this, this, this, there's not. He is. This fucking here is crazy. So there's no cure for COVID. There's no real cure for COVID.

But he is proposing one, swag. He's. And dressed in it. Did you see him? Did you see him with a sweatshirt? Yeah. The whole thing. COVID and testing spray paint it all up.

The whole he got swag. Like look, fuck it, man. Cough with some swag, man. Respiratory depression with some swag. He said this. He had a press conference and he was giving a pep talk to New York. He said, when a mayor has swagger, city has swagger. We've allowed people to beat us down so much that we all did.

All we did was wallowing COVID. That's all we did and we no longer believed. This is the city of swagger. This is the city of reswager. resiliency and all these messages out there of what is going to happen what is going to happen we're going to survive hey look on its face that doesn't seem that bad doesn't seem that bad but but he kept going he did um uh oh you wouldn't we go to the low-skilled workers thing well yeah because i mean if you stop there yeah it doesn't sound as but i mean it listen it's it's like

he thought if he kept saying swagger enough times COVID would disappear. Or if you click your heels together and say swagger three times, it'll magically disappear. That's how he was talking. It's a little problematic. It's a little problematic. It's not a little problematic. This is what it is. You ever see I Am Legend?

Like, imagine it as a comedy. That's what Eric Adams wants. He's kind of even getting it together. Imagine that Robert Neville is actually, Alexander Hitchens. And he's turned around and he's talking to the camera and he's giving you the rules. He's doing all of that stuff. Hey, yeah, that's what he wants you guys to do.

He wants you guys to swagger through COVID. As everyone is coughing, he wants you to swagger. That's not all he said, though. This motherfucker is out here. This guy has only been in office weeks. This motherfucker is out here. Look, there's a lot of people who listen to this podcast that are probably working their way up. And Trudy won't ever fuck with you.

but they're probably, they're probably working their way up through different types of jobs. Eric Adams wants to make life simpler for you because you can't understand shit. Run the audio. If my businesses are sharing with their employees, you are part of the ecosystem of this city. My low-skilled workers, my cooks, my dishwashers, my messengers, my shoeshine people, those who are working, dunkin donors. They don't have the academic skills to sit in the corner office. They need this. We are in this together.

You dumb fucks. You stupid bastards. You don't have the academic skills to sit in the corner office. You know what you do? Fry some fucking chicken. Eric Adams got it. He's on the job. He says, look, take care of shit.

because we got a bunch of ninkum fucking poops who are out there. Actually, everybody he's talking about, right? Look, cooks, dishwashers, messengers, shoe shine people, those who work at Dunkin' Donuts. All right. So every single group were the people that kept us going during the pandemic. Right. We should shine their waxy ballsacks. We should kiss their fucking asses.

Every single group, the cooks. The dishwashers, the messengers, all of these people, the Amazon delivery drivers, all of these people kept us going during COVID. And Eric Adams said, fuck them. They don't have the skills to sit in the corner office. So, look, I'm watching this guy. I love this guy already. For fun, you're watching him for kicks.

You're watching him for kids. 10 out of 10. President. Okay. That's what we need. That's what we need. We need Eric. We need Eric to slow down.

I want him to run for president. I'll tell you why This is the type of motherfuckers that people want This is like I'll be honest with you He is the perfect Obama was the perfect president Obama would get up there and talk about this Not this guy This guy's gonna get up there

He's gonna be kind of like blump He's black Trump He's black Trump He loves cops and shitting on people He's Trump He's a was he not a former cop Yeah he's a former cop Okay okay

He's a former cop. Listen, all jokes aside, the generalization that people with, quote, low-skill jobs can't have a corner office. First of all, it's a huge contradiction because he then talks about how he was a cook and a dishwasher. And I'm pretty sure he's got his own office right now. So it's just the dumbest thing. He's not off to a good start. It's funny to laugh it, but it's so demoralizing. And it perpetuates this elitist mentality that as if,

to not value our essential workers. And then when did we start calling them low-skilled workers? Like, it's just, it's so gross. And AOC had the best response to it because she worked in a restaurant. She had a great tweet that she said, the suggestion that any job is low-skilled is a myth perpetuated by wealthy interest to justify inhumane working conditions, little to no health care, and low wages. She herself worked at a restaurant, and I'm pretty sure now she has a corner

office. So it's, listen, he's not off to a great start. Now, is he making headlines? Is he making news? We don't need him to do better or maybe he doesn't need to step up to the microphone so much. Because he's filling himself just a little too much. I don't know if AOC has a corner office. She probably has a regular office. Well, she's a big building. Listen, it's the point. The point is is that she's got an office. He said corner. He said corner though. I'm sorry. She's an office and she is a New York Congresswoman. Basically, his line of thinking is if you work in restaurants, you don't get those kind of jobs. I hate to be this guy. but technically until her office is on the corner, then he's right.

Okay. So whatever. Okay. Let me tell you something about. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about Eric Adams. Let me tell you. Let me tell you something about Eric Adams.

All that shit, the ALC said, man, any person that has feeling in our heart, we know that. All right. Eric Adams is, it's so wild to me that as cops fuck up all over the fucking country that we a cop telling us what a low-skilled job is. As cops fuck up all over the country, cops don't know the difference between a gun and a taser. Cops don't know how to read people their rights.

Cops don't know when to not pit maneuver a fucking woman who's pregnant. The cops going nuts everywhere. And you got the, I wonder where they're getting these guys from. Like Slappies Detective School. I wonder where they get in these dudes from the cops for a police guy to tell us what a low-skilled job is,

all the cops do is fuck up. How about the call out of Dunkin' Donuts? If I'm done it, why? Why? I'm so mad. I'm so mad. Our shoes shining, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dunkin' Donuts.

What? If I'm talking donuts, I'm having a fit. But I'm to be honest with you, if I was running Dunkin right now, I would make a whole fucking ad campaign around it. I would take what the mayor said. I would put it in commercial, and then I would make it like it was a Dunkin' Donuts

Donuts Scientist Academy where kids have to sit around and learn how to make donuts almost with like chemistry or something. I would make every single thing at Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah, I would take every single thing you have to do with Dunkin' Donuts. I'd have them taking coffee and pouring it into a beaker, the speaker around, testing it, doing all of that stuff. It'd be a good ad campaign.

But see, the thing is, I'm too fucking talented to fucking deal with Eric Adams. I should be doing commercials for Dunkin' Donuts. I love them. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Fast, reliable Internet means everything for your business. And even this podcast, that's why I trust Spectrum Business. They keep companies of all sizes connected with Internet,

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I don't like any of them. I get visuals that I'm not comfortable with. And I, when I hear like commanders and admirals and stuff, like that. Commanders, racist as fuck. Do you see what I'm saying? I don't know why. You see what I'm saying? You get a visual.

There's something that pops up in your head. Also, Commanders is bad because of handmade still. And there you go. Do you want to be called commander? I'll tell you why. I like Sentinel. Do you know why?

Why? Because of the X-Men. Okay. A Sentinel is a big, hold on, wait a minute. Let me get this out. A Sentinel is a big mutant-killing robot. That's what it is.

Is this in the comic book or the movies? Both. Is it in the movie? It's okay, I don't remember. It's in the movies. I think the name of the movie is X-Men, Days of Future Past. They got Sentinels in the movie. Thank you very much.

Maybe that's the one I haven't seen. Yeah. And so they're big, and I think that they should use the sentinels, but it should be those signals. They should use the Sentinels from the comic books. Okay. And also in Marvel versus Capcom, two, Sentinels is one of the most powerful characters. Probably the most powerful characters.

So I think they should go with Sentinel, whatever. You don't even care about some big part of it. my life. You can give less of this shit. You don't care. You just go your whole day. I do ads for ring or first. What are you talking about? You do go your whole day with no comic book shit. How could that be? I was literally just talking about this today at work. I was, you're going to get so upset. I was reading, doing a read, and I was talking about movies that Tessa Thompson is in. And I was like, you know, you may know her from Creed or Westworld or Thor. And then I stopped. And I was like, What is that?

Raganock? Is that his last? And I was like, is that his last name? No, it's not. And I, well, I know that now. Somebody explained it to me. And I said, here's the problem. What is it?

What is it? What is it? No, I know it's not his last name because that's what I said. But the whole, they were like, that's the name of the movie. And I said, this is my problem with the MCU. I, when you explain stuff, I'm like, gosh, that sounds so captivating, so interesting. But there's so much to it that I'll never be able to catch up. So why would I ever start?

Every time I turn a corner, I'm learning about something new. Thor, Ragonorke. What? Ragnarok. Ragnarok. Whatever, Van. So here's the thing. Ragnarok actually.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Ragnarok. They didn't make up Ragnarok. Ragnarok actually comes from Norse mythology, which is the death of all the gods, right? So there's a cycle. They have to have.

They have all the gods. Oden, Thor, low, keelities. And then there Ragnarok comes. That's a big war. Death of all the gods. this Ragnarok right here is the end of Asgard as foretold by a bunch of different prophecies. You know what I mean? Searcher comes through, stabs his thing in the heart of Asgard, his sword and the heart of Asgard.

Asgard destroys the Asgard has to leave, have a new place. It's like Greek mythology. It's unstoppable. Oh. It's too much. Do you know what I'm into now? Before we get to this next topic, which is very important. I'm into Matrix mythology.

Wait. Outside the movies, there's a whole thing. or you're just into the matrix? Yep. Outside of the movie, there's, guess what? I want to do a whole podcast with you where I convince you. Have you seen The Matrix?

The first one. The machines are right. The humans are bad in the Matrix. Is that what happens in this last one? The fourth one? Nope. Nope. If you look at it in its totality,

Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, all the humans, all the humans are actually the villains of the Matrix. The machines are right. And the machines are right in almost everything that they're doing. Okay. I will tell you, because there are only four movies, and this is something I can easily do, I will go through and watch every single one of them.

And I will give you your pod on that. Oh! I will. I will give that to you. I will download the movies. I will start over. I will watch them in depth, in detail. And I will come back equipped to have a podcast with you.

Done. Just to let you know, the Matrix Revolutions is fucking terrible. But good on you. Good on you. Okay. The one more topic before you get to mail back, the Los Angeles Unified School District has cut its police budget. Speaking of cops, directing the money towards the 36.5 million black student achievement plan. So this, in a sense, is.

kind of like a defunding the police type of deal. And this is what we're doing. Defund the police. Take that money. Put it into the black student achievement program. This provide funds to 53 schools with at least 100 black students enrolled with high need indicators. The BSAP has a plan to help black students succeed within their environment and reduce suspensions or other disciplinary methods by working with community groups. Rachel, your thoughts?

I mean, one, this could be the unexpected ally of the week, but I love this because this is, and I'd love to track this and to see what happens with this, because you talk about defunding the police, but this is more than just chanting it. This is actually putting action behind that statement. You're targeting a need. You've identified it. Now you are defunding the police to take those funds and invest them into this need, invest them into the community, make these students. better. You're giving these students a sense of hope as well. And the other thing I love about this is that they're also saying that they're protecting their students by removing the police because the police have have a history of being more aggressive and a little bit more dangerous to these group of students. So they're protecting their students, but then they're investing in them at the same time. I love it. Yes, great. So I think we need to talk a little bit less about defunding the police and more about what we're actually funding. So I think that's a way to shift this narrative.

Like, obviously we're defunding police departments, but we need to talk about what is getting funding. Now, tell me right now, if I'm looking at you in the face as a politician, and I ask you this question, do you have a problem with giving the black students of L.A. 36.5 million dollars? They have an issue with that.

They would say no. They would say no. All right. Well, that means we got to take it from the police budget. Wait. You know what I mean? Wait, you can't find that money somewhere else? That's what they would say.

No, we can't. We looked. You know what, nigga? You know what, nigga? Can you find it somewhere else? Do you give them half? Do they mean 36? We looked.

Guess what we decided. We decided the cops don't need tanks. How about that? We decided the cops don't need laser rifles. That's what we decided. We decided the cops don't need a fighter jet or robot police or fucking Ferraris with the cops with, you know, we don't need no dollars. Chargers. The fucking

whatever you guys got, the what you call the bitches, the Chryslers, whatever, they work just fine. The Crown Vict. The Crown Vic, they, that go for it. You know what I mean? All right, let's get to mailback. Now, mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback time. Write us with your queries

and we'll chime in. All right. Aaliyah. Maggie wants to know what is a social slash cultural discourse that needs to stay in 2021. I think we just had it right there.

Defund the police. Also, people's names that remind us of singers who we used to love. To, I don't know, you know, Alia Maggie. It's like,

kind of, you know, you get excited, but then you get bummed out. Okay, stop. Beautiful name. Beautiful name. It's a beautiful name. But sometimes I was like, you just made me think of it. Yeah. I moved on, past it.

But I love you, Alia. Both of you. Next question. It's Hannah underscore Stewart asked if you could be leader of any country, which would you choose and why? So what I would want to do is take a DNA test. and find out what country I have the highest percentage of and that's the country that I would want to lead.

I want to go back to my roots somewhere in Africa and leave that country. Right. Yeah. Sell out. I want to be the president. I'll tell you straight up. Of this country?

Fuck yeah. Would be the wildest four years. I sell out. I don't care. People call me a sellout. You expect me to pick somewhere. else, no, I want to be the president if I got to choose, would be the wildest four years ever.

I literally, literally might make it to August in my first term before they impeach me. I'm tearing everything. The executive orders are going to be crazy. When I tell you, they're going to be crazy, the first thing I'm doing if I'm the president is I'm going to get people in a bunch of room. And I'm going to get a bunch of people in the room,

the smartest people, not just in my cabinet, not just in like the smartest people from everywhere the smartest economists the smartest the smartest fucking legislators the far as the smartest constitutional law professors i'm going to ask them one question to everyone in this room what is it in my power to do forget about what i can get negotiated forget about like what can i do unilaterally what can i do week, what can I do two weeks from now, what can I do? What can I do? What can I do? Like,

what can I do? And they give me a list of things that I can do and then we just go do them. I've been telling you, we just like, bro, when I say we're going to do them, it's going to be, the holiday situation is going to be so fucked. We're going to have Bobby Brown Day. No.

Make them stop. No, we're going to, it's going to be so weird. We're going to have Bobby Brown Day. We're going to have Bobby and Whitney Day. everybody gets off work for Bobby and Whitney Day all kinds of crazy shit you know all other stuff federal elections all of that stuff but also I'm just going to get up there hit corporate America hard hey hey Amazon how you doing boom 60% tax rate fuck it move then it's a man you're too much too much all right next question it's P Hartel

Artel, would Van and Rachel be in each other's top eight if we still have MySpace? Yep. For me, yeah. Damn. No, you would be in mine. I wouldn't be in Vans. I would definitely, she would definitely be in mind. Because my Top A was only used to torture people.

I don't even think I had a Top A. I know I had a space, but I just, yeah, I wasn't. I had the crew, and then there was like three other spots. and then bitches would like rotate. But I would have Rachel just there because that would just be another person that people would like bitch about. He's like,

I've been knowing you. How you got her in the top eight? I'll be honest with you. She brings more to my life than you do. Don't put me in that. They should bring top eight back. On like which platform? Fucking great question.

Probably would have to be Instagram, right? Nah, not Instagram. I don't know. Twitter. Twitter. Twitter. Twitter. Twitter.

Twitter. Twitter. Twitter top eight would be good. And you also can tell a lot of people from their top eight, you're going in and they got Candace Jones and their top eight and you're like, get out of here. And there you go. Last question, let's go.

Okay. TK.495. Sounds like a Star Wars character. Ask which one, what's one thing from your childhood you wish you never found out was a lie? We had that question before. Did we? Yeah, like it was a form of. it that you wish you hadn't found out was a lie.

Yeah. I don't want to do that. All right, fine. Fuck it. Last one. All right. That's enough for mailbag. It is over.

We got end of the year awards now. Rachel, do you want to do them? No, because I didn't, I didn't do all of them. I did it when it was, you go through them, go through them. So these are the end of years awards.

Me and Rachel are going to freestyle these because this is really a Trudy thing. This is, yes, Trudy wants it. Trudy only. cares about this. And it's and it is a good topic truly. Let me support truly. It's a good it's a good thing to do. Why do you got to do that when you know you don't agree? Truly is a big girl. The original one she wanted us to do I did. Trudy has gone to war with the entire internet. She don't need your help man. Trudy.

All right. Best TV show of the year or a season of TV show. Oh my gosh. You know I got to go with snowfall. Oh, interesting. You know I'm all in. I'm all in on the show. I think people are really big on us doing a little recap when it starts of February. Definitely will. Snowfall, hands down. I agree. It's very tough for me between snowfall, I'd say, though, and one of the MCU shows. So it's snowfall or Loki.

I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know why I'm capping. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, yeah, Hawkeye, fuck it. Hawkeye over Loki over, Wanda vision. I liked it. I like what I like. How about that?

Best album of the year. What do you think? Jasmine Sullivan Hotels. That's definitely the answer. But my answer is Moneybag, yo. Gaines de Spain. Moneybag, you'll be doing this fucking thing. I like Moneybag, yo.

That's not what I thought you said. Man, if you ever listen to Jasmine Sullivan Hotels, it's great. It's so good. And everybody, every woman can connect to what she's not just singing about, but the stories from the women in between. Oh, that's the one. Yeah. Ally of the Year.

Does that exist? I got one. Oh, well, you go first. Jolly Good Ginger on Instagram. This is a guy who seems contier than a motherfucker, but what he really is is a good old fashion ally. He is white, but he calls out the inconsistency. and the discrepancies in white supremacist actions all the time.

And I believe, unlike some who do it, always love my man Sam White too, but unlike some who do it for the cloud, I believe he does it for the culture. So jolly good ginger. That's so good. I've seen him before now that I'm looking at it. I'm going to steal him. Let's just have one for the podcast. Let's go ahead.

Okay. He's ally of the year. class clown biggest goofy of the of the year to you there's only one answer who fucking soldier boy like what that's your class clown soldier boy is the class clown of the year I love watching soldier but he that nigga funny like he's the class clown of the year to me soldier soldier soldier had a big year too big year oh wow there's a lot of clowns though like does a clown have to mean funny or like could you just be a clown right like the baby was clowning this year you know what i mean we want to give it to the baby if you think all that shit is funny that's on you no no no no like he's a

clown is what i was wrong with not funny okay public servant of the year um i like our man that we had on michael tubs mt so i'm i'm gonna give somebody that wasn't technically in 2021 but was held over from 2020 Stacey Abrams I'm gonna go with Stacy I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with Stacy Abrams Technically is 2020 but really 2021 is she announced she's running for governor this year

So she's still down Yeah Best viral moment Or challenge of the year Well the The crates Oh shit that's easy That's right

The crates It just came to me When you said challenge, I'm like that, that everybody, everybody was craving. The crates are the kind of thing that our ancestors look down on us and they just go. And they look down on us and they go, really, we gave them all this freedom and look what they doing with it. Look what they did with it. We thought these niggas was going to climb mountains and they climbing some fucking crates.

They're like looking, you know, and by the way, it doesn't take much to impress the ancestors. You know, think about it. You, people always talk. about this. Think about this. People always say like, oh, Gabby Douglas, some old boughs. And they won eight, nine gold medals or whatever, whatever. It's like the ancestors are looking down smiling. The ancestors look down and smile way, way easier than you winning an Olympic gold medal. Remember, they couldn't fucking do anything. You get up and you put your own shoes on and you walk to the bus stop. They up there fucking crying.

Like look at her fucking go. And pick the seat that you want. The seat that you want. You get in your car. You drive your own shit. They're like, look at them, go. You know, best author or audio or book of 2021. The best author of 2021 to me is Poneal Joseph.

Oh, yeah. I saw you post something the other day. Read a lot of Pinole Joseph. His new book, The Third Reconstruction is coming out pretty soon. If you guys want to learn about who you are as blacks, Piniel Joseph is an absolutely. brilliant man and I love him. I reread the sword and the shield.

I read some of his other books. I read his Stokely Carmichael book. I read his book on the civil rights era as a whole. He has completely reshaped my thoughts and my feelings on the entire Black Power movement in its place in American history. Ponell Joseph is amazing. And he works where? He works in Texas.

So what? Mine is carrying over front. to 2021. It's cast the origins of our discontent. It's by Isabel Wilkerson. I didn't read it until 2021. Yeah, she's great. She's great.

The 1619 Project is also a book now. You guys check that out. I'll show up to Nicole Hannah-Jones. Actually, that's the book that I just thought. You just bought that? Let me see it. 1619 project. You know what she's like?

It's going to take a while. But it's like essays. You know what I like about that book? Is the book is so big and the title is so big. on a book. You can, you really use that to like trigger people. Like when you go back to Texas Oh, I'll be doing on the plane. I can on plane tomorrow. 16, 19 project. You know, hey, go to different places.

Go to like a country bar and like read it. We think the same way. We do. All right. That is enough podcast for today. Big podcast. Big, big podcast today. I am Van Lathen Jr. in case you guys didn't know. And I'm Rachel and Lindsay. We're done. Bye.