Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Biden’s Vaccine Mandate and Caroline Mala Corbin on the Texas Abortion Law

Episode Date: September 14, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay welcome law professor Caroline Mala Corbin to help break down the Justice Department's lawsuit against the state of Texas after the passage of its restrictive abortion law (18:38). Then, Biden’s new vaccine mandate faces the inevitable GOP backlash (41:18), and irresponsible policing causes yet another unnecessary tragedy (1:00:38). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay  Guest: Caroline Mala Corbin Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel Lindland. We have a fantastic guest for you guys later on. We told you we'd bring you some constitutional knowledge on what's going on down there in Texas with the Justice Department, suing the state of Texas. I would like to shout out our booker Allison for finding an expert witness.

An expert guest, Caroline Mala Corbyn, who's going to join us a little bit later on and tell us just the beginnings, the genesis of this entire thing, what is happening, how fast it will happen, and what we can do. That got us talking about law stuff,

me and Rach. We were talking about torts, tort reform. Van apparently is an expert. I didn't know this. That was my specialty, premise liability. I'm not an expert, but I know a little bit about,

I know a little bit about torts. Because my brother Gibral went to law school, and he was very into law. Like when they, he went to Stanford, and then we got on the Gmail thread with all of his, his, his, his, his, his lawyer. I call them lawyers. Why were you on a Gmail thread with them? Because it was easy. I liked this because like we all, the Gmail thread was just about like different shit. But I liked trying to stump them.

and I liked because there's nothing more they kick each other in the nuts intellectually for fun they're so argumentative they write things in the they write we can't matter what we're talking about even if we're talking about like Kobe versus Jordan their argument always comes out in this

irrelatable legalese in the way that they and I would just come in and with like some old school folksy wisdom and just lay waste. But it was just very fun because all we did was argue all day long. But they talked about tort sometimes. Sometimes it would devolve into law stuff. Lawyers are special.

I feel like that's a misrepresentation. We don't, lawyers don't just sit around and argue all day. I would just like to clear that up. Yes, they do. No, they don't. Yes, they do. The ones I know, they do. I am generalizing all lawyers right now.

I have to sit around and talk shit, no matter what it's about. Just sit around and lawyer everything. Oh, by the way, we were talking about this. I don't know if we said this on the podcast or not, but the federal government, our guest will talk about this. I mean, another government, but the Justice Department filed suit against Texas,

and we said, oh, I wonder if it's going to be in my dad's court. It's definitely not. I asked him about this. It's going to be down in Austin. And he said if it was, he would recuse himself because we talked too much. Oh, the judge. The judge would recuse himself.

What could I do federally to end up in the judge's court. What could I do? Like, tell me, I'm going to break a law in Texas on purpose. It has to be in Texas. Well, I mean, yes, it has to be in Texas. But a federal crime. Like, you can do it in Texas or it could be you committing it against someone who lives

in Texas. Okay. So, let's do, give me an example of a federal crime that is not like violent, something that I would do. Because like, I know. You want me to pick a crime that you would do? Well, think of it. Well, think about it.

You tell me. So, like, I know that drug crimes get federal, you know, because of the FBI comes after, Ricos, Rikos are federal. Ricos, or, like, you got crossing state lines. Like, that's the thing. Okay, okay. You have the diversity. Crosses, so. It's like two different states.

So if I took. Or over $75,000. Okay. Over $75,000. So let's say I stole. What's something over $75,000? I don't want to stay. deal, though. I don't want to hurt anybody. I just want to do a federal crime and end up into

judges. Why do you want to do a federal crime? First of all, he would again, recuse himself because I don't want him to recuse him. I want him to go through a whole trial. He, no, he and Van have a relationship. He can't fairly decide this case. Like the other side would immediately file that in court. Yeah. And he would be done. But my dad would recuse himself before that even happened. Van Lathan, nope. I want him to be to, I want to go, I want day by day to get up there. and have my lawyers argue their case in front of the judge day by day. This is what we need to happen. When things start opening up, you need to actually go to one of my dad's trials.

You need to sit in the courtroom. You can, no, that's the, you can obviously do that. When things open up for a jury trial, sit in the courtroom, be a part of it. When it's over, you can go back to my dad's chambers. talk it out with them. Oh, my God. Can I root for him? Like a filled trip.

If he, if he bangs the gavel, can I be like, yeah, judge. That's what I'm talking about. That's a good call. He did a good job. I want to go. I think the bailiff's may take you out, but. Can we, can we do? Well, we can make this happen for you.

Can we do moot court mock trial at your house? Sure. If we come down and then the judge could be, it could be me versus you. And then the judge could be the judge. Sure, Van, why not? Oh, why not? This is what we're going to do. We can play court.

Holiday at the Lindsay's. We'll get everybody together. We'll pick an issue. We'll do moot court. And then the judge could be, but we have to have a jury too. So we might bring, oh, Brian's family could be the jury. Okay, great. I love this.

This is a great idea. It's just something that came up with a happen to hand. You're so excited about it. How was your weekend? Oh. Okay. We need to take a break from each other. My weekend was good.

I just chilled out, you know. Bozeman was here. Bozeman, so this is a new era of Bozeman. How old is he now? He is nine months old. Okay. So there's a new era of Bozeman. And this is jump in the bed, Bozeman.

So if I'm laying in the bed, Bozeman runs and he jumps into bed, okay? And he'll jump in the bed. And at first what he'll do is to walk over and he'll put his face right in my face. So sweet. Like right in my face. And he'll just leave it there.

And after a while, I start to look at him like, yo, man, what are you doing? He doesn't lick you? He does. Okay. And then I give him a couple of legs and then I say, stop. And then he goes and he lays down and he looks at me. Sad look. And then after that, he literally comes right up to me and lays on me and falls asleep.

Oh, he's a cuddler. He's a cuddler. He's a lover. Now, you tell me the truth. You know it just warms your heart when he does that. It does. Every single time. Except for the fact that he's such a light sleeper that if I move in any way, he wakes up.

And then the whole process starts all over again. The boson, he's figured out how to jump in the bed. And so yesterday, Sunday was just in the bed watching football with Bozeman. So cute. That sounds like an amazing weekend. Trying to talk low when the Saints whip ass. Whip ass. When James Montana Winston.

Not Montana. James Montana. Dealing. Five T-D-D's. When James Montana Wilson is dealing, I'm trying not to get too into it. So I didn't wake up, Bozeman. I'm happy to see him succeed, right?

Like coming, leaving Tampa Bay, you know, having as many interceptions as he had touchdowns. I'm happy to see him do his thing there with accuracy and precision. Didn't even throw for that many yards, but have five touchdowns. Five TDs. Right? I love to see it. I'm not even a Saints fan. What I do this weekend?

I went hiking. Hiking. Love that. So peaceful. Took copper on his first hike. Cop, cop. It was longer than I thought. We both barely made it, but we did it.

Right. And then I went to the WNBA game yesterday. Very special. It was great. It was HBCU night. A lot of energy. I've been to WNBA games before. HBCU night.

Yeah, they had a whole, they had like they were, it was shot out to your HBCUs. They were representing the dancers, the cheerleaders, the basketball players were representing their HBCUs. It was great. Sororities and fraternities were there. The music was. It was very, like the halftime performance felt like you were watching a half-time performance without the band, right?

They had the music, but they were doing the dances. There was just no drum major. It was really fun. They had a DJ. It was great. I had a fantastic time. I don't like shit like that. Okay.

You just got to find something. Why? Why? Because you missed it? Because I missed it. Because nobody was wearing a Southern sweatshirt last night. That's okay. Like, I went to a HBCU, like, support the, the fucking.

the HBCU night. I don't like that. It was a chance for people to represent. I loved it. It was great. People were excited. They were up dancing. It was great to see all.

Don't vacation with us. Okay. Give us one night at the game. It's a whole lifestyle and a culture. I don't like it. Well, you say that. I can't tell if you rep LSU more or Southern. Because you talk about LSU more than you talk about Southern.

Most people on this podcast have no idea. Just posted the Southern Drum Major. Yeah, but you're always talking about. I just literally hooked Southern up with 50 cents. I hooked Southern and 50 cent up. 50 cent posted the band. I said, hey, 50, I went there. Who knows what's going to happen between them?

I put it off a southern. You can't do anything. You can't do it. You can't stop. But HBCU night was great. You liked it. It was fantastic. It was the last regular season game for the Sparks.

They were fantastic. They walked the Seattle Storm. It was a really fun game to be at. Brian and I went. A lot of people were out there. New Orleans representing National Spelling Bee winner. She was there. She was the C-O-O of the game.

She is tough. She was so... She's great. She's so sweet. She was there. Kyrie was there. Kyrie. Yep.

Victor Oladipo was there. People were out there supporting the sparks last night. It was fun. I had a lot of fun. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. Tramphia offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tramphia is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks,

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Brian plays basketball. Is he one of those guys that thinks he can go get 14, 20 points in the WNBA? I've never heard him say that. You never? I'll ask. I do guys like that in the gym. A lot of guys say that in the gym. It was one point in life where I felt that way.

But that's just because you haven't played enough basketball, you know? They would have whooped you. Yeah. I mean, they're professional basketball players. Now, don't get me wrong. It's like there was a time when I was a really great basketball player, but not one of the best in the world. world.

Solid. What did your cousin say? Solid. He was solid. But remember, remember, he's judging me on the NBA level. Oh, is that what? He didn't say that. He just said you were solid.

No, he's judging me as he was one of the best high school players in the country. It was a good basketball player. I don't know what you said. Oh, but you left out something that happened this weekend. By the way, you guys at your gym? No, Van, let's move on to our guests. You guys at your gym who think y'all can compete with the athletes in the WNBA. just fucking give it up

just fucking just stop you guys fucking don't embarrass yourself you wouldn't be embarrassing there's nothing there's nothing embarrassing about losing the professional basketball players but that's what they are the best in the world

at what they do so shut your mouth oh yeah you forgot look no you know what that was the end of my weekend let me tell you what happened on Saturday so I had to watch the LSU Tigers get destroyed on the road in person

In person. And I'll listen to Rachel Lindsay say that the whole SEC is just Alabama. Even though LSU has won three national championships since 2000, even though Florida has won two national championships, even though Auburn got in there, won a national championship. Yeah, you keep going back. I can start naming Big 12 national championships too. Stop. What was the last time of Big 12 won a national championship? Go ahead.

Because LSU won in 2019. Was the last time of Big, go ahead. There was the last time of Big 12 won a national championship? Championship. Go for it. I'll wait. I'll wait. I'm like, go for the. I don't know. Right.

Yeah, right. So, and so Rachel was so sure. And then Tejas, the Tehas longhorns with brand new coach, Steve Sark the Jaws. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Shark,

Sarkeesian went out and got blasted that. Woo, pig suey by Arki. Shout out to Arki, who's now ranked number 20 in the country after they. Pigsui! Bust that ass, baby. I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait.

I was so excited. I was watching it. I was like, me and Bozeman were dancing around. Me and Bozeman in here ring around with Rosie. You really were. Ashes, ashes. Texas fall down. Bozano.

You know, what happened? I don't know how, but somehow this is Greg Abbott's fault. I haven't figured it out yet, but for somehow, Greg Abbott,

that's the only thing I can't even defend it, you guys. I was trying to come up with comebacks to Van, and sometimes you just can't defend something. Sometimes it hurts. It's bad. It was bad.

But you know what? It's just one loss. And the words, and the words of Aaron Rogers, it's just one game. It's just one. It's just one game, guys. And you know what?

What did come out of that game, which is great, we got a new quarterback. Okay? We've been trying to figure out who our quarterback is, just like LSU. Y'all are having quarterback issues. They've been fighting between two guys. Second guy, Christian, I cannot remember his name for the life of me. Stepped it up. Death, they started to look better in the second half, but it was too late.

It's too much of a comeback. So I think things will be better for Texas. Even Texas has less to answer for than the Packers. The Saints looked great, but it looked like Aaron Rogers was playing games on his phone. Didn't care. Like Aaron Rogers was like, he got the contract. Aaron Rogers was like, hey, fuck it, man. He's still upset about Jeopardy.

That's what it is. Thought he was going to get Jeopardy. I'm going to be honest with you. Which is a better job? Being the host of Jeopardy or being an NFL starting quarterback. Depends when you are in your career. I would say right now, Aaron Rogers would say Jeopardy. At the beginning of his career?

Nope. Would you rather be Alex Trebek or Tom Brady? Well, Alex Trebek had a longer run as a host. So I'm saying. So I'm saying. Alex Trebek is the greatest of all time. And less work. And less work.

And Tom Brady is the greatest of all time. Would you rather be Alex Trebek? I'd rather be Alex Trebek. Less work. This is the very serious question of the week. Oh. We're comparing. Game show host to NFL quarterback.

This is in honor of Aaron Rogers. Game show hosts or NFL quarterback. Would you rather be Alex Trebek, the greatest game show host of all time to me? Or would you rather be Tom Brady, the greatest NFL quarterback of all time? Can I make a case for each really quickly? Please. Alex Trebek. amazing guy who works.

They would tape all of these shows together so he wouldn't have to work every day the entire month. He made a shit ton of money. He was universally beloved as an apolitical, lovable, amazing guy who had a

multi-generational run from the 80s all the way to the time of the 2000s, basically up to his very shocking death. He got to do it super long. He was in everybody's household. He had all of his mental faculties. All of that. He lived a nice, long, productive life. Met everyone was everywhere. It was omnipresent. Tom Brady, 20 years in the NFL, beloved as an American sports hero, married to a Brazilian supermodel, money, adulation, fame, jawline, avocado ice cream, all of those things, but they also

come with having your body beat up, having all this political stuff that's going on, deflategate, spy gate, a lot of things go on with being Tom Brady, a very polarizing guy, love him, hate him everybody loves Alex Trebek Aaron Rogers is probably looking at this situation going would I rather be Alex Trebek Of course Would I rather be Tom Brady? And the question for everybody out there is would you rather be

Alex Trebek or Tom Brady You named no cons for Alex There are no cons There you go It's a different type of fame It depends on what kind of fame do you want really is what it comes Down to Alex Trebek is good in every hood

Every hood Alex Rebecca's good in. That's true. Tom Brady is not good in some hoods. My answer was Alex. Yeah. But I could see people making a case for Brady because it depends what kind of fame do you want. I'm a bro.

I don't like Tom Brady. All right. So look, we promise you guys an amazing interview. We're going to give you guys an amazing interview. Caroline Corbyn from the University of Miami School of Law is going to break down where we stand right now with the U.S. Justice Department and what's going on in Texas. Check it out. Okay, so we told you guys last week that we would bring on someone who could speak to us directly and with authority and knowledge about the Justice Department's lawsuit trying to stop the abortion law in Texas, okay, which is disgusting.

We hate it. Of course, Merrick Garland should be Supreme Court justice has filed this on behalf of the Justice. and we have somebody that can give us some insight to exactly what's going on on the show today. Her name is Caroline Mala Corbyn. She is a professor of law and a dean's distinguished scholar. Oh, my God. Look at all that stuff.

She, with JD 2001 Columbia Law School and a BA from Harvard, Harvard. Harvard. Wow, wow. Has articles published in the New York University Law Review, UCLA Law Review. several law reviews. You're really deep on the law reviews right here. You've done them all. And of course, she has joined the Miami Law School faculty in 2008. So we are happy to have you here with us today. It seems like if we're going to do our homework, you're somebody that can help us out. I hope I can help. Okay. So explain to us. Obviously, a lot of our

listenership, a lot of people in America period were bummed out when they heard about this abhorrent and flagrantly bad law in Texas and they were hoping that something could be done to stop it. And then last week we hear that Merrick Garland and the Justice Department are suing Texas in order to try to stop the law.

For the layperson that's wondering what all of this means, what would the first thing that you say to them be? Well, I think it's first important to understand the back to the whole situation we find ourselves in. So if you don't mind, I'll just tell what led up to the Department of Justice having to step in. Go for it.

We definitely don't mind. Okay. Well, it all started when Texas passed a law banning abortion at six weeks. And Texas was by no means the first state to try this. Lots of other states have tried to ban abortion. at six weeks. But usually what happens is they immediately get sued in federal court, and the courts pretty immediately strike down the laws unconstitutional even before it goes into effect. Interesting. Okay. So the question is, how is it that didn't happen with the Texas law?

And this is where Texas got deviously clever because it intentionally designed its law to avoid review by the federal courts. And this is how it did it. Usually when a state passes a law, it intends to enforce its own law. And so the people you sue in trying to stop it are the government officials charged with enforcing the law. But what Texas did is it banned any Texas officials from enforcing the law. And it said instead private individuals and actually any private individual, anyone, they don't have to have a link with Texas. They don't have to have a link with the woman getting the abortion. They don't even have to live in Texas.

Basically, anyone else could enforce the law. And so what this means is, individuals are the ones charged with enforcing the law. But it's not clear who these people are going to be. And therefore, it becomes really uncertain about who you're supposed to sue. So when the clinics went to try and challenge this law and to get a federal court to stop it from going into effect at all, because again, as I'm sure most people realize,

It's completely unconstitutional. I mean, under current law, you can't ban abortions before viability, which happens at 24 weeks, not six weeks. But the problem was it wasn't clear who they were supposed to sue. So the clinics, when they brought their lawsuit, they sued a whole bunch of different parties. They sued Texas judges. They sued Texas clerks at the courts. They sued medical professionals. They sued a few individuals they thought were super-keptu.

to start challenging it. And again, they weren't sure it was the right people. And the district court thought it was okay and was going to proceed. But the Fifth Circuit and the Supreme Court thought, I don't think you've actually successfully overcome these hurdles that the state of Texas tried to put into place. And so that's where we were before the Department of Justice. just stepped in. The clinics tried to sue to get the federal courts to declare this law blatantly unconstitutional as it is. But the Fifth Circuit and the Supreme Court were like, we don't think

you sue the right people. And if you don't sue the right people, we don't actually have authority to decide this case. And that was a problem. So that was sort of the dilemma, which is when the Department of Justice stepped in. And so now the Department of Justice is trying to bring the lawsuit. So I think the next question after that would be, so now that the Department of Justice is bringing this lawsuit, you have stated that it is unconstitutional as it stands, but there's this whole thing of, you know, who is it that we actually sue? So now that there is this federal suit, how likely is it that it will be successful in being

able to stop this law? In bringing the complaint, so again, the challenge is, is it the right party bringing the suit and are they suing the right people? This suit is a lot simpler. It's the United States of America suing the state of Texas. And so you may wonder, well, what grounds does the United States have to sue Texas? And their complaint, there are at least a couple of reasons why they say they really should be the, should be suing Texas. And the first is this basic idea,

the federal government has a very strong interest in making sure states follow federal law, including constitutional law. There's something in the United States Constitution called the Supremacy Clause. And it basically says that if there is a federal law, and that includes the Constitution, and it's duly enacted, then if there's a conflict

with the state law, federal law wins. So federal law is supposed to be supreme law of the land. And this is, and so the federal government has an interest ensuring that its laws are actually enforced. And this is especially true when you have a state trying to avoid federal courts reviewing their laws for constitutionality. Basically, the United States is trying to vindicate the constitutional rights of the people in Texas. So that's its first basis, which is a little general. It also has a more specific basis,

which is basically is trying to protect its federal officials in Texas because there are all kinds of federal obligations that would conflict with the Texas law. So, for example, there are federal prisons in Texas. And the Department of Prisons have a, federal obligation under federal law, they're required to help women get an abortion who are imprisoned. But of course, if they help women get an abortion, that mandates that law. And the federal officials become vulnerable to suit under this. So they have this very general claim. We want to vindicate

the constitutional rights of American citizens because under the Supremacy Clause, federal law, constitutional law is supreme, and a more specific claim that, listen, this is going to put our people, get our people in trouble. And we have an interest in protecting our people. Caroline, you're one of the most entertaining law people that we've had on the show. This is the energy that I'm talking about. This is great stuff. I got to tell you, I wish you would have been my con law teacher. I feel like I just learned. Don't you, don't you make a face, man. I wish you I'm a lawyer. My name is Rachel. No, no, this is fantastic. I have such a better understanding of what's going on. My question is, so the federal, the federal government has brought suit about this.

What is a timetable on this? For people that are fretting about how quickly or how long it's going to take for there to be some resolution here or to know whether or not this suit would be successful. Like what kind of time frame are we looking here? So there's three levels because ultimate resolution sounds like you're wondering when will the Supreme Court decide this. Yes. And there are three in the federal court system because there are state courts and federal courts. And the federal court, there are three levels of courts.

There's the district court, which is the first court. then there's the court of appeals, which for Texas is the Fifth Circuit, and then you get up to the Supreme Court. And honestly, it can take some years to go from filing a case to having a Supreme Court resolve it on the merits. However, sometimes there are emergency appeals, because as we saw with the first case, they haven't resolved it on the merits. And when I say on the merits, I mean, they haven't resolved the actual constitutional question of whether this violates the law. Instead, they were dealing with this sort of procedural hurdles. Do we have the proper people bringing the suit? Do we have the proper people being sued?

For those procedural questions, those went up pretty quickly on emergency appeals. And so while it may take a while to make a resolution on the merits, I should have said, they, a court can in the meantime issue something called a stay or an injunction. And basically, this is the legal version of saying, hey, wait a second, hold on there. We think this law is not actually constitutional. And so maybe you shouldn't enforce it for now. Right. And so this question of a stay can be decided more immediately.

and challenges to these kinds of things can go up more quickly. And so while the whole life of a case from trial court to the Supreme Court can take quite a while, there could be a stay issued along the way that might happen more immediately. But I'm not entirely certain. And to be honest, the issues are so novel. This is such uncharted territory. I'm not entirely clear. I'm not sure anyone's certain

quite how it's going to play out. We're continuing to see states get really creative in how they're, right? I mean, I've got to give them props for ingenuity. Also evilness, but definitely ingenuity itself.

And they are. They're finding these ways to get around things to try to ban abortion. We're seeing this a lot in the southern states. And I think that there is becoming this increasing fear, not I think I know, there's becoming this increasing fear that there is going to be a challenge to Roe v. Wade. And what happens when the Supreme Court, because we know they didn't address the constitutionality of this. They didn't,

you know, they pushed it back. They punted it back to the states. What happens when the Supreme Court does finally hear a case like this? Is there a threat to Roe v. Wade? How likely is it that something like this can happen? I hate to ruin your. evening, but the Supreme Court is actually going to hear a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the fall, because it already has another case that it has accepted on its docket. And that's a case out of Mississippi that banned abortion at 15 weeks. And so we will soon find out whether they are, in fact, going to go all the way and simply declare that Roe v. Wade was an error and women do not actually have autonomy over their own bodies and states can ban abortion. Or they may not overrule

Roe v. Wade entirely, but nonetheless, weaken protections to such a degree that they might as well have. So we will have more clarity when they will be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be So we will have more clarity when they hear this case out of Mississippi. So this is my last question. A lot of people out there right now, you know, their elections that have led up to this, and obviously the elections have consequences. And this is one of them. This is one of them.

But there are a lot of people out there right now who are feeling helpless. A lot of women are feeling helpless. And a lot of allies to those women are feeling helpless. helpless in terms of just watching this all spiral out of control from the cheap seats. As the average American citizen, concerned citizen, is there anything that you can do in any way to help our sisters or maintain the integrity of Roe versus Wade or in any way be involved? Or is this just all stuff for the lawyers to figure out at this point? So again, I don't think there's, I mean, the case is going to be, you know, what happens with the case will happen with the case.

But what started this all was a law, and it was a law passed by representatives. And if you don't like those representatives, then you should become politically active and ensure that there are new representatives. I mean, that's our democratic process. They should be accountable to us. Now, obviously, that's becoming more difficult because of the increasing voter suppression and disenfranchisement. But to the extent possible, right,

exercise the powers you do have as a citizen, not just in voting for different representatives, but why not become a representative? I mean, there's no reason why everyone can't get involved politically, even at the local level. I mean, run for school boards. run for your local council. Start. Right?

I mean, you know, look at the jokers who are in power now. If they can do it, you can certainly do it. So that's one thing I would say, just in general. And second, more immediately is help the women and clinics in Texas, right? They could definitely benefit from your money and your time. I mean, clinics are always short on funds, but they're going to be especially hard. pressed in Texas because of this law. I mean, after all, the point of the law was really to harass clinics out of existence, right? The goal of it was to invite so many lawsuits that they would spend

all their time and resources defending against them. So one way people can help is help your local clinic, help your local plan pan-hood, or hope your local independent clinic. Or if you want to help more directly help the women of Texas by donating to one of the many abortion funds that exist that help women get abortions, quite frankly. Even when it's constitutionally protected, it still can be very difficult because of certain regulations that ultimately require women to make two trips to the doctors. And now they don't have to make just two trips. They have to make two trips out of state hundreds of miles away. And that costs money. I mean, they, you know, and so to the extent that you can donate anything to these funds that really directly help the

women exercise their constitutional rights, that would be wonderful. Wow. That is such a good point about donating to abortion clinics and abortion funds is what you said. I just want to say thank you so much for coming on. I mean, you broke it down so clear. And I feel like as citizens, we are learning so much about the Constitution, maybe in a way that we hadn't before. We're paying attention to it, I should say, in a way that we hadn't before with all the issues that are coming up. So thank you so much.

That was amazing. My absolute pleasure. Thank you for joining us on higher learning. Look, we're going to tap back in with you whenever we have legal stuff like this. Okay. That was fantastic. Thank you so much. And hopefully we can.

we can affect some change and keep America from just falling off the edge of the earth. God damn it, we're so close. We're teetering on the edge, guys. Doesn't it feel amazing? We're right there on the edge. She's just got to laugh.

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Carvana. Pick up these may apply. That was fantastic. Right. I mean, she's amazing. You know I almost went to the university. of Miami law school. Yeah, one of my exes did.

Why didn't you go? Honestly, because I knew I wouldn't be able to focus. Let me tell you something. An ex-girlfriend of mine, she went to the University of Miami Law School. It was like 2005, right? And, you know, things got kind of fucked up here with the hurricane. So when it was time to get away,

I was still too scared to fly. caught the Greyhound bus to Miami from Bad Roos. How long did that take you? A full day? 19 hours. Woof. Let me tell you guys something. Shout out to the people who are on a bus somewhere right now.

I'm not dissing you. I'm not. I promise you I'm not dissing you. I'm not dissing you at all. But right now, if you know somebody in your life that doesn't have any ambition, that doesn't want to work or go out and accomplish more in their life. Put them on the bus

and make them travel on the bus from Miami to Baton Rouge. You'll be like, fuck this. I got to get up and get out and get something. I got to change. Get up, get out and get something. Because I remember that was the, like the train is a little elevated.

That's different. You know, you're saying it. But the bus was. Bus is different. Buses, the bus was. 19 hours. 19 hours. I've only done it from Dallas to Houston on the Greyhound.

I've never done anything past that. Oh, no. We've gone full across country on the bus. On the Greyhound? Yeah, me and my mom and my sister, from Baton Rouge to Los Angeles, California on the bus. Full across country on the bus. Stops along the way, or was it a one way?

Stop so. No, no, no, no, no. Every stop along the way. I know. Well, you can pay less or more. You pay more for less stops. or you could pay less and stop everywhere. Whatever I did and whatever we did,

we got all the stops. We stopped at every prison, picked up guys, they got the clear bags, they get on here, you know what I mean? And my dad would always say, rest and peace,

dad, my dad would say, don't worry about them. They ain't going to do shit. They just got out. He'd be like, my mom's worried about that. He's like,

them niggas not going to do nothing. They just got out. Like, if it was a week, if it was a week after, then maybe they get the inch, but they just got out. they still convincing themselves, I ain't going back.

He'd be like, all these niggas's going back, though. But I got down there and I was stugging around Miami. Shout out to Miami. I was everywhere. That was your first time. Oh, and she would be in law school all day long. And she had this green Malibu. And I would ride around Miami listening to the Carter 2.

I'd be down at Nikki Beach. I'd be at the Clevelander. Opelaca, I would go out. I would explore. Shout out to all my zoes. I would be around Miami thugging it. I stayed down there like two or three weeks, went to like the chicken kitchen kitchen,

one of my favorite spots in Miami to get a chop chop bowl. I don't know exactly what you're talking about. So y'all broke up after this, right? Yes. I would have broke up with you real quick. Yes, I'd be running around Miami, spending my gas. You better be home waiting for me

after I come home after a long day. I don't want to listen to the law stuff, though, was the problem. Who wants to talk about it? That was, I never wanted to talk about law school. when it was over with. I detached myself completely. That's why I didn't go. That right there,

what you're just talking about is why I didn't go to Miami for law school. I know me. I would have been out having a really good time rather than focusing on the books. That's an expensive law school.

Yeah. Do you remember on the Cosby show when they went, Justine, Justine! And they were singing the Justine song. Do you remember that? Theo? Stio was singing the song

about Justine. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. America's singing a song. That's the song. same way. Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. Vaccine, vaccine. The vaccine is just dividing us. Joe Biden's song is vaccine, vaccine.

He is mandated the vaccine for federal workers. Okay. There's a couple of different vaccine things that are going on. We're going to touch on right now. Biden, though, start with President Biden. I said that he, He has new orders. His new orders,

a vaccine mandate, a vaccine mandate on private businesses with more than 100 workers would affect 100 million workers and help turn the tide of COVID-19 in the U.S. Of course, this was met with a great deal of pushback and controversy and people were livid.

Most vocal was South Carolina Governor Henry McMaster, McMaster. He's the master and he's the governor of South Carolina. Mick, McMaster. Governor Master. We're going up there to see Governor Master, who in a tweet,

paid the tussle over a compulsory vaccine as a battle for personal freedoms. He said, rest sure, we will fight them to the gates of hell, Jesus Christ, to protect the liberty and livelihood of every South Carolina. But Friday, Biden pushed back. he said that he's not going to be deterred by the largely partisan reaction to what he wants to be his vaccine mandate and his vaccine mandate for federal workers.

He said, have at it. Love it. He's ready to go 100 rounds on this. What do you think, Rachel? I think it's necessary. I mean, everybody is tired of having these restrictions. Everybody is tired of us feeling like we're not moving. we're not moving forward.

This was supposed to be a summer where we were so hopeful that things were changing and things seemed to be getting worse with the Delta variant. And it seems like every day there's a new alert on your phone about a new variant that's entered your city. So Biden is trying to take action and put measures in place that can get us back to where we need to for society. People are tired of living in the way that we are. But they're mad at Biden for taking measures to try to get us back to some sense of

normalcy. I'm for it. I am 100% for him implementing these things to get the unvaccinated folks vaccinated. I can't, I don't remember what the percentage is, but he did say that if these workers, 100 million workers get vaccinated, it increases the herd immunity or to a, so it like rises the level up tremendously. He has, he's got a plan for schools. We've got these kids in schools.

They're not getting vaccinated. He's trying to enforce all school employees to be vaccinated. as well. I mean, he's doing what he needs to do to get us back to normal and people are still upset about it. It's like people just need a reason to complain and they're complaining. And I do love the information that is going around where people are putting up posts saying, you know, measles and tetanus and polio and mumps and chickenpox are all things, different things that we've had to be vaccinated for. And but now, and no one really had an issue with it. I mean, yes, they're anti-vaxxers, but like nationwide, there wasn't this outrage about your freedom and stripping you

from these things. But now all of a sudden there is. And so I just, I'm, I'm commending the Biden administration and I love that he is just like, you know what, I've had enough. Have at it. You want to challenge me? Go for it. Well, there are a couple of differences. Number one, this is a novel vaccine to a novel disease, to a novel virus. So we're not sure about when vaccination was first introduced, people felt about it because not everybody had a device in their hand where they could make every opinion known to everybody. But can we just, but I agree with that. Yes, it's novel.

Yes, we've had doctors come on and talk about the technology being in place for a lot longer than, you know, to replicate to like increase the ability to make a vaccine a lot quicker than before in the past. We've had doctors come on this very podcast and talk about it or a doctor come on and talk about it. Yes, there wasn't. we didn't have technology in our hands to say for people to voice their opinions, but people also weren't saying, no, I'm not going to get it.

They took it. And I think my point by saying that is there was also nobody telling them not to take it. So because information exists and it's such a big place now, you have a lot of people who are basing their entire identities online by trying to compel people not to take the vaccine. And, you know, people are scared. It used to be that they had more trusted sources of information and authority. And someone said, hey, the end of polio. And everybody went, yay!

Yeah. Now somebody goes, hey, it might work. But at the same time, you might end up with a third nipple on your head so you never know. I did watch something interesting that a guy named Scott Gottlieb. Do you follow Scott Gottlieb? He does a lot on the vaccine. He does a lot on coronavirus and COVID since the beginning. Scott Gottlieb.

No. So he said it and I was thinking Doug Gottlieb in my head and I was like, Jesus Christ. I know. I was like, wait, why, why him? Speaking of felonies. Doug Gottlieb, remember what happened to him in college? Doug Gottlieb, who's always dunking on athletes,

will never forget the way you stole your roommates credit card. When you were at Notre Dame and got popped. Oh, he's trying to dunk on athletes. Yeah, yeah, nigga. You took it to Dillis. He didn't mean to do that. That's why I was like, Doug.

Doug. Doug Glewis, is that where he went? Hide your Amex. Doug Gottlieb's on the prowl. He's looking to make a charge. That's what he thought, that's what he thought coach was talking about when he said, take a charge. Doug Gottlieb was like, I'll take a charge, all right.

I'll take my roommate's charge. George. All right, anyway. So Scott Gottlieb is a doctor. And he did a very interesting. He's a CNBC contributor. You see him on MSNBC all the time. He's been doing a lot with the pandemic since the beginning. And he said something interesting. He is obviously very pro-vaccine. He's been talking about the vaccines and best practices on COVID for a long time. He wonders if the mandates are worth the political acrimony that's they will engender. And I'll tell you why. What he says is he doesn't think that the United States is going to get to 90% immunity, right? So right now, we're at, I think he said either 75% of the

population has had at least the first shot, okay? Maybe he said both shots, but I can't remember. He said, if we're going to get to 80, he said, we're not going to get to 90%. We're not going to get to going to get to 90% even with these mandates. We're not going to get to 90%, which would, according to him, be some kind of huge turning point. He goes, okay. He says, we're probably not going to even get to 85% with this. He says, because a lot of these things that we're talking about would take a long time

to get rolled out. And he goes, also, some of the people that you're talking about vaccinating in this point, if they have hesitancy, especially in the southern states, they might have already been affected. So you have to wonder how effective the mandates will be, right? And he goes, so if this is going to get us in the interim to like 80% vaccination, right? He says, you have to wonder if the political acrimony that's going to be, that it's going to be had because of this. And this is, what I'll do is I'll go over to Arthur Wars and I'll drop the interview into the Reddit.

So you guys can watch it for yourselves, his words, not mine. You have to wonder about whether or not that political acrimony would be worth it, not just for people in the science community, but in American society for an extra 5% of vaccinations. And he's like he's not so sure, even though he recommends more than anything, everyone go out and get vaccinated. He's not so sure that doing it this way with the amount of time it would take to roll all of this out. It's going to take a long time. and with the amount of fighting that it's going to be on this issue, that it's the best thing for the psyche of the country in fighting COVID-19 to actually mandate the vaccines.

Is there anything that jumps out at you when you hear that? I mean, 5% is still better than the percent. You know, if we're 75 and we're trying to get to 80, that's better than before. I mean, no, nothing really jumps out of me. I think it's a valid thing to bring up. to mention. But if the goal is to get vaccinated, if the goal is to return back or try to return back to society the way or some normalcy in society, the way we were before, then every percentage

helps, in my opinion. That's just how I see it. And I think that's how the Biden administration is looking at it. And I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't, because if he doesn't do anything, then people are going to get mad at him. If he does do something, or, in this way, like take these strict measures than people are going to have something to say. So I'd rather have people have something to say and I'm increasing the number of people that are vaccinated or, you know, saving lives.

I'd rather that. And I think that's how they're looking at it. I think what I'm actually for is whatever the best practice is. And I think we've gotten away from that, like as Americans. I think we've gotten away from whatever the best practice is going to be. And I think that there's some glitch in our thought process. that doesn't allow us to compute the information as it comes in. Meaning, we've created a culture where people want to do what they're told to such a degree

that they don't want to be told to do the next thing. It's interesting. So everybody is still tribal in America. So if you come out and you say don't wear a mask, everybody jumps into their different side of it. Don't wear a mask. Okay, I never have to wear a mask. What's not what we said? We say right now we don't have anything that can tell.

you that you have to wear a mask. Next week, you might have to wear the mask. But you told me I didn't have to wear it. And I believed it. They said don't wear a mask. Now they don't wear a man. They don't know what you're talking about. So I think that our brains are losing in some way their elasticity. Like we're not very nimble intellectually. And so it's making us hard lines and people are on either side of it. So what I'm for is whatever the best practice is going to be. I'm not for overly politicizing it to the point. to where, you know, we've made two different. I'm for like, yo, if the best thing is to mandate a vaccine,

then mandate the vaccine. If the best thing is if mandating the vaccine only puts us through more and doesn't really give us that much of a benefit, I think we have to not be too afraid to say that too. But that's always Scott's opinion, by the way. I have to do more on it. I think that's a good point. I personally think it is the best way to go.

I think we seem to be at a bit of a standstill. And if we're talking about making some change and this is a way to do it, then to me, I think that that's the best practice. But again, that's my opinion. Right. My opinion. Speaking of doing their own research,

Nikki Minaj, she said that she will not be attending the Met Gala in 2021 because she isn't vaccinated. She said this. She tweeted this. She said, they want you to get vaccinated for the Met. If I get vaccinated, it won't be for the Met.

it'll be once I feel I've done enough research. I'm working on that now. In the meantime, my love, be safe with a mask with the two strings that grips your head and face, not that loose one. Okay, she went on after this on her Twitter right now. She continues to do this is brand new, fresh news, fresh out the fresh buns, fresh buns. She went on to talk about and retweet all types of people who, quite frankly, are tweeting her horror stories. of the vaccine. The one guy said that

somebody he knew or somebody didn't know was about to take the vaccine and they were about to get married and then their testicles swole up and now they can't have kids. She said that she knew somebody who took the vaccine and now they're sterile. She's retweeting a lot of these and saying that she's in the process of doing her own research.

She's retweeting both sides of it or just the horror stories. She's retweeting the horror stories and she's saying for what I've seen, I have to go back and look at it now, but she's retweeting the horror stories and what she's saying is, hey, that's so sad. Do your own research, blah, blah, blah. And she's also saying that she knows people that have been negatively influenced by the vaccine as well. Now, I don't want to cram stats down people's mouths, but there have been adverse reactions to the vaccine, but they are just incredibly, incredibly low occurring. incredibly low occurring.

We're talking about millions and millions, hundreds of millions of vaccine doses that have been given out and thousands, in the single thousands of adverse reaction to the vaccine, you know? Right. Most of the science that comes out, not most of the science,

all of the science that comes out says the vaccine is pretty safe. So, but sure, they have been adverse reactions to the vaccine. Absolutely. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't ever recall Dr. Fauci as saying that no one has ever had an adverse reaction. Like, it's not 100% like with free of side effects or anything. And nobody's saying that.

So of course you're going to hear, sadly, a horror story that's related to something. Just like you're going to hear positive effects from the vaccine as well, the vaccine. as well. Here's my thing with Nikki. One, I was just trying to look at her, I was trying to look at her Twitter page because I was trying to see if she's retweeting both sides, which is what I would hope that she is, because then it, I think you should be able to have an open dialogue of, you know, however you feel about it, it shouldn't just be monitored as I'm only hearing positive things about the vaccine. I think it should be both. So that's why I was questioning as to, is she only sharing the horror stores or is she sharing the other things? I see the

she's taking a poll on which vaccines to take to her audience. I would hope that that's not the end of her research. I would hope that she's doing the research herself. But the thing that stood out to me the most when you were quoting her tweet is, what's taking so long on the research? That's what I wonder. I was asking how long does it take to do the research? Yeah.

Like, why are you still researching? I mean, are you, I would like for her to say, I'm sorry. I just now started. You know, these vaccines have been available this entire year. Now they're FDA approved. I'm wondering why you're just now starting to research. Maybe it's because certain events are requiring you to now get vaccinated. So maybe it's a real reality for you where it wasn't necessarily before.

So now you're doing your research because it's looking like you're going to have to get a vaccine to attend some of the things that you normally would be able to attend. So maybe that's why. But that was the first thing. It's like, why are you just now doing the research? yeah well what she's doing now she's very subtly backing off of it by posting which vaccines you should take by going back for she's very subtly uh backing off of it so this is my thing look nicki minage is entitled to her opinion i wish i knew what the research was that people are doing um i started

i'm a little paranoid anxiety i started researching the vaccines in april of 2020 So by go, she's a very recent person. I don't know. Look, is her business? I think that to me, doing the research is a very powerful thing. And if you're going to step out and talk about the fact that you're doing the research, maybe you should educate people on the actual stats and statistics of adverse reactions to the vaccine and how safe the vaccines actually are and not be prone to retweet horror stories about them.

If you don't want to take it, then don't take it. If you want to use your public platform to tell people that you're going to wait and you're not going to take it, that's fine. To be honest with you, we sort of did that here. It's a scary thing to do. It's a scary thing to do in a world that's filled with so much distrust to trust your body for anything, especially with a couple of what we've been going through for the last year and a half. It's a scary thing to do. But what I will say is it's not our jobs to make it scarier. It's not our jobs to make it scary.

It's our jobs to portray things as they actually are. And I personally think that, you know, Niki Minaj didn't do this. And really, to be honest with you, if you're not going to the Med Gala because you don't want to get vaccinated, then that's fine. But she took a stance just by saying that I don't want to have to get vaccinated to go to the Met Gala. So she had a problem with that. Well, now she doesn't have time. Well, she doesn't have time for what? Tonight.

Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. So she had a problem with that. what I'm saying is come out, stand on the sand with your chest. You have an issue with the vaccine. You don't want to take it. That's fine. But then the problem I had was the retweeting of the horror stories from it, which are going to influence other people's not to go out and get vaccinated.

And I don't think that those fears are in any way substantiated in any real way. Exactly. And if you're going, like you said, the big thing too is you're just now doing the research. Great. Share the research. Because right now it seems like your research isn't going. any farther than your Twitter page and people commenting and the retweets and that's what I have an issue with as well. So if she is doing the research, kudos to her. Good for her. We all should be

doing before we do anything in life. But it doesn't seem like that right now. Yeah. Well, look, she'll figure it out. You know, she'll do the research. All of you guys are doing the research. I just want to know, hit me up. What is the research? Because I've done some research. It's like doing the work. That's what I'm doing the research. I'm doing my own. research, do your own research, but come on my. Just fucking speed it up. We need an answer. Shit or get off the pot. Stick or get off the pot. Okay, we have to talk about a story right now that is happening out of Georgia. And guys, trigger warning, it is not a great one. 12 year old kid was killed in a car crash. Black kid was killed in a car crash after state

troopers used a pit maneuver to stop the car that he was in. This young boy's name was Leiden Boykins. He was a passenger in a car driven by his neighbor. Charlie Moore was the neighbor's name. Charlie Moore was being chased by the Georgia State Patrol. This was the morning of September 10th. They chased him for a little while. Then they executed a pit maneuver on the car.

The car flipped over and Leiden Boykins 12 was dead. Apparently, according to the Georgia State Patrol, Oh, Moore, Charlie Moore was pulled over for speeding. They said that he would not produce his driver's license and instead drove away. They followed him for a little while and being concerned that he would not stop. They said they followed him for like three and a half miles. They then did the pit maneuver, flipped the car, killed the kid. Moore and his son both survived.

He is now in custody facing charges. and leading Boykins is dead. Now, Moore has a different story. The Boykin's family says that Moore's wife told them that when the troopers first stopped Moore, Moore who is black, he had his son called 911. Okay. Moore's wife then told people that Moore told the troopers

he considered himself a sovereign citizen and would not roll down the window while his 14-year-old son was calling 911. This, according to the family, made the state troopers attempt to break the windows. When they started trying to break through the windows, according to Moore's wife, he asked them to send more people like a supervisor over,

but he was so scared of what was happening that he drove away in this entire time, the 911 operator was still on the line. So there's questions now. Now, more, Charlie Moore has been charged with murder in the death of Leighton Boykins.

When I posted this, I wondered what a lot of people wondered, which is what was the purpose of executing the pit maneuver in and of itself when you know that there are two children in the car? And it's caused, quite a bit of conversation on my social media. Because there are people that look at the situation and go,

the real villain here is not the Georgia State police. That is Charlie Moore for fleeing police when he knew that he had two kids in the car. And I cannot in any way act like I don't see the point that those people have. I see it differently. I wonder how you see it. Hmm. I didn't see what people were saying on your social media, but I think there's fault to be spread around. What I think is extremely unfortunate is that there are, like I said, you can blame, I think, multiple people when it comes to this, but at the end of the day, a young child unnecessarily lost his life. And this is a situation that could have been avoided. And I find that the most,

frustrating thing of all of this. Forget who you want to put the blame on. This is a situation that easily could have been avoided. And it's ridiculous that at the end of the day, this child lost his life. And I, I, if I'm putting the blame on someone first, I'm blaming the police officers because they're the experts. They're the people who have been allegedly trained to handle intense situations. people who are resisting arrest, they are trained to handle this.

The moment that you saw, because according to Moore's wife, the police came to the car. So some trooper saw that there were children in the car. Despite what Moore did, and I do think that he was wrong for engaging, even if he was fearful in a high-speed chase, I think first the blame is on the police officers because you did not need to do a pit maneuver, knowing those children were in the car, showing that you had no regard for anybody's life in that car. That's what stands out to me the most. You didn't have to do this.

I know that there are other ways that you were trained. And if you didn't, where's public safety? Somebody else who knows how to handle these type of situations. I think that I do think Moore has some fault. It's definitely not murder. I do think that he has some fault in knowing there were children in the car and speeding away because, if there hadn't been a pit maneuver, speeding away with children in the car, puts them in danger.

And something else could have happened. You could have flipped the car. But that isn't what happened. It's the police officers that did it, which is why I blame them the most. I think it's despicable that Moore is charged with murder. And I think that the police officers were reckless in how they handled it, handled it. And they were, in some sense, criminally negligent as well. So I think there's blame to go around. But I think the police officers are who you have to look at this first, because they're the professionals and the experts, and I'm using air quotes with this in this situation. They're supposed to, oh gosh, why can't I think of the word?

De-escalate. Thank you. De-escalate the situation, and instead they made it worse. Well said. So normally when a child dies and they care of adults, the adults are to blame. So the fact that there are adults here to blame is not shocking. You know, obviously Charlie Moore made the wrong decision.

and he made a failed decision and he's going to have to live with that wherever he is for the rest of his life that a child died because for whatever reason he ran from the cops so having said that I think about a case

that we covered earlier where there was a pregnant woman in her car in Arkansas she was driving she was trying to find a safe area for her to pull over and the cop in that instance Pitted her with his car.

If you guys don't know what the pit maneuver is, the pit maneuver is when they drive up behind you, hit the back bump with your car, spin your car out to make you stop. Sometimes when you execute a pit maneuver, people hit the stops or the median or whatever it is in the middle of traffic. Sometimes they flip cars.

In this case, they did flip the woman's car. She was pregnant. And, you know, she could have easily been killed her and her baby. Fortunately, everyone survived. in this case, people did not survive. The 12-year-old boy was killed. I'm wondering for everybody that is so anxious

to absolve the cops of the blame for this, I'm just wondering why. Like, the standard that we hold law enforcement to in our community is so unbelievably low that I can't fathom how we continue to look at ourselves as citizens like

the people that are saying hey you can't blame the police in this situation it's Charlie Moore's fault I'm not just upset with you I'm incredibly disappointed the police are there

to ensure the safety of society at large. We've made all these little treaties as society members, and the police are there to make sure that we abide by those things. Very simply, very simply, right? The cop has to be there with the willingness and the want to protect human life first. Catching the bad guy is second. So let's look at a couple of things that go on with this situation.

Forget about the situation in Arkansas where the woman was by herself or the cop hitter. Let's say that the cop in this situation believes that the man in that car has kidnapped those two kids. Exactly. Let's say that he believes that. And he believes that the man in that car has kidnapped those two kids. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Mm-hmm. And that the man in the car is driving away from the police and he has two kids in the car that are kidnapped. Let's say that that's what they thought. Mm-hmm. How does pitting the car make the kids safer? Exactly.

Exactly. Like how does putting the car make the kids safer? How does that you're going to you're going to initiate a car wreck basically to stop the guy. So you're going to put them in a potentially fatal situation to stop him. Okay, fine. Forget about that. For speeding. For speeding.

But let's say they don't think it's speeding. They think that it's a kidnapping situation. Let's say they think that the guy's in there is a big time drug dealer. Okay. Okay. And they want to catch him. He's got whatever. keys that he's making birds fly down south or whatever.

All right. Are the lives of the kids in the car even worth making that bust? What would be the reason, any reason why a police officer would put two children in a dangerously, deathly, life-threatening situation? What would be the justification for that? And when we're asking both questions here about the pregnant lady and about this, it seems to me that the cops want to pit people. They've learned it.

They never get a chance to do it. And so they go, hey, pit maneuver. Now, if you guys want to have a conversation about Charlie Moore and if you guys want to say, well, we got to blame each other when we fuck up or we got to do all of this. If we have such, the question, it blows my fucking mind. Black Lives Matter and the entire narrative of it, do we believe that? Do we believe our lives matter, our lives matter enough for us to say, hey, that shouldn't have happened? Yeah. Are most people in your comments blaming Charlie Moore?

It doesn't see I don't think that there's some of them were it wasn't as I don't know the I can't do the precision in my head but I'm saying that like for even the people that were it there's something about us sometimes to where we want to believe that everything's. that is happening to us is our fault. And I get that. We want to believe that it's all our fault. We want to believe that as soon as we start acting better, then we'll start doing better. Because that makes it seem like we have some agency in this.

And of course, we do have some agency in this. But the reality of the fact is 100% of the reason Black America is in the state that it's in right now is because of systemic and historical white supremacy. Terror and intentional, intentional harm economically, environmentally and physically. That's 100% of the reason. So you don't need to argue for the cops.

The guy shouldn't have run, but the cop shouldn't have killed that boy. Correct. Correct. I feel like I, you know, I don't know what people were saying in your comments, but I feel like, listen, you can say that Charlie Moore was wrong and still say, but the cops were mishandled this situation completely and it ended up killing a child. You have to see it that way. You have to hold the police to a completely different standard than you do a terrified civilian. That's how you have to look at it. I mean, he's wrong. And I wholeheartedly believe he was wrong.

calling yourself a sovereign citizen. I don't know if people understand what that means. Do you know what that means? I see it all the time. I watch it on YouTube. Yeah, like they don't believe that they're a citizen of the state or even this country. And, you know, like some people will say, I come, I came from the heavens. Like, they don't believe that they're entitled to be ruled by these laws of the state or, you know, the nation because they are not citizens of state.

Okay, sovereign citizen. That's very a general sense. But him saying that, him driving away. yes, it's wrong, but you can't ignore what was done here. And I don't understand, I don't understand how people can't see that in all of this. That's what I think is the most shocking. You have to put aside your anger for how Charlie Moore reacted in that situation and looked at what was the ultimate cause of that child's death.

It was the pit maneuver. Because if this situation would be totally different, if Charlie Moore sped off and then he flipped the car on his own. He ran into something. He did, but he didn't. It was the cops flipping his car over that killed it. Forget what reason they did it. They could have handled the situation totally, totally different.

So Charlie Moore. Murder is insane. I did not know he was charged for murder. That was news to me. It just happened. Charlie Moore is responsible for putting the kids in an unsafe situation without a doubt. Absolutely. It's the police's job to injure.

safety back into the situation. And I don't understand how we've lost, I understand how we don't get that. It's the police's job to come into the situation, supposedly. Policing is a poor public safety apparatus. I understand that. But it's supposedly their job to come in

and inject a situation with safety. That's what they're supposed to do. Serve and protect. Like, did the police in that situation protect leading Boykins? No, and I would love to know from a police officer, when you execute a pit maneuver, what is the high probability that the people in that vehicle are going to be injured or killed? Like, what is the probability? I'm saying it's a high probability, but what is the probability that person going to be injured or killed?

And if that is a high number, then why would you do that to two children in that car when the person that you were trying, yes, there was somebody you were trying to apprehend. There's also two children. And the only answer that I can come up with is that you did not care about their lives. You did not care how they ended that situation. You just wanted it to stop or how that situation ended. You just wanted it to stop. And that's what I can't get over is that you had no regard for their lives inside of that vehicle. So there's a 911 tape that has literally just come to my, that literally has just come to me.

They literally just gave it to me. and I am going to We're not going to play the 911 tape But I'm going to read you some excerpts as is reported Right now by the website reading off of So Moore's son spoke to the 911 Dispatcher initially

He says I asked for a supervisor And the police are being violent This police once again in this situation So once again let's look at this situation There's a man Who's being stopped by the police He is not cooperating with the police. The police, allegedly according to this account, begin breaking windows, right?

That right there, when they're breaking the windows, they are escalating the situation. They're escalating the situation rather than de-escalating the situation. And in our current climate, Charlie Moore is wrong. But in our current climate, if I'm there with the cops and for whatever reason the cops are breaking my windows, I'm going to be fucking freaked out too. Okay. Now, if the cops ask me for my license, I'm going to give him my license for sure. Right. But if the cops, for whatever reason, get to breaking my windows, with the current climate that we're living in right now, which all plays into this, I'm going to be scared too.

So he says, I asked supervisor, police are being violent, they broke my window. The dispatcher says, In order to speak to a supervisor, you're going to have to pull over. This is when he's already, he's already, he has driven away. I'll notate that you want to speak to the supervisor.

Charlie Moore says, I need you to help me, ma'am. I didn't do anything wrong. I've got three officers chasing me. I asked for a supervisor, they would not give me one. I asked, what did I do wrong? They would not tell me.

They don't have their cameras on. They don't have anything on. It's three white guys, and they are chasing me around my neighborhood. that's the first part of it that pays a clear picture of someone who reasonably or unreasonably is in a fear-based situation

perhaps this man is unrational or irrational from the beginning of it perhaps this whole sovereign citizen thing is a belief that he holds close to himself what I would like to do is live in a world where there's some sort of public safety apparatus that in that situation

thinks about the kids. And if I'm going to pay tax dollars, my tax dollars cannot fund the guys who are going to make the wrong decisions. That's their human beings. But my tax dollars do and can fund a public safety apparatus that thinks about the fact

that there are two kids in the car. And I know that you guys upset. I know that we always got a rush to blame ourselves and if we stand up straight then a white man will stop kicking us in our back I know that. I know that that's the way I know that that's a survival mechanism. You want to

believe it's your fault. The police shouldn't have done what they did. Yeah. I'm just disappointed. I don't know where the story's going to go. Like I said, more has been charged with murder. That seems like the cops try to cover their asses.

Uh, maybe there'll be more information that, maybe there'll be more information that changes my perceptive on this, my perception, my perception, my perception on this. Um, but I'm just sorry to the family. Sorry to everybody involved. Yeah. Just, I'm gutted. Yeah. It's, it's, it's terrible. I, it's avoided. That's disgusting. Um, I will, on the Reddit page, our thought wars, I will drop the link to the YouTube video that has the 911 call in it. If you guys want to hear it,

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So Florida State lost to Jacksonville State. Did you see that? Yes. I know Jacksonville State as the school that former LSU quarterback, Ryan Parilu. If you guys ever want to look into one of the strangest careers in NCAA football history, look into the career of a guy named Ryan Paraloo. All right. Ryan Paraloo came to LSU.

It was supposed to be the next big thing. And for some reason, just shit just kind of got fucked up. And he ended up going to a school called Jacksonville State. Jacksonville State is like, that's why I know what Jacksonville State is. Well, they beat Florida State. Here's the thing, guys. Jacksonville State ain't supposed to be Florida State. It's a small school.

They beat Florida State. on a last second heave that had the whole fucking internet going nuts going nuts and a picture that I saw was of a redshirt junior offensive lineman named Brady Scott who after Jacksonville State ripped the heart out of Florida State Brady Scott plays for Florida State the Seminole's he got down on one knee and asked his girlfriend, Michaela Pierce to marry him says you are my world Forever with you will make me the happiest man in the world Michaela Scott has a nice ring to it

That's what he put on Instagram And I'm not gonna lie man The old man and me Just fucking went nuts After the most embarrassing loss Of the college football season thus far while the other team's players, if you look at the picture,

are still celebrating on the field. Yeah. You get down on one knee and you ask your girl. So you couldn't have waited for a win. You like this. No, I didn't like it. But he couldn't wait. He said somebody's got to have a good day.

One of us has to make a good day out of this. Oh, I just changed my mind. Did he actually say that? No. No, I'm just saying that's what his actions did. If he just said that, I'd have changed my mind because that's some gang-sish to say after you just lost. And another thing I'm noticing as I'm looking at this picture, I'm zooming in, I notice that his jersey is a little clean.

The dirtiest it looks like he got is on that knee that he's bending on. I'm not quite sure old Scott was in the game. So I feel like he's not even affected by what's happened. He's a red shirt. What is he offensive lineman? It's a red shirt, junior, offensive lineman. I don't think he played. I think he's like, you know what?

This is a win for me. Forget y'all. One of us has to have a good day out of this. I didn't even play in the game. I'm assuming this, y'all don't know. His jersey looks clean. So let's do this. But if I were her, I would have said no.

Let's do this. I'm going to propose a scenario to you. Okay. Let's say that Brady Scott had already decided that he was going to do this after this game. He thought that they would win. Clearly. She played in Jacksonville State.

Her parents have come in. He's made a big deal. He's got it all planned out. If you take that loss, do you change your plans? Yes. And not... I mean, this is a simple answer for me.

First of all, I don't like these type of proposals. I don't like proposals at sporting events like this. I just, they're played out. It's not even special to me. And now you add all this drama to it. No, you tell them to go back. This was just a nice trip for you guys to come out and watch me play.

Sorry for the loss. We're going to try again. we're going to try again at the next home game. I got to be honest with you. I've changed. I've changed my opinion on Brady Scott. No, you're just being difficult. This is terrible.

Do you know how Brady Scott responded to this? By posting his wedding registry. Brady Scott is to go. Did he really? Brady Scott posted his wedding registry and said, also if you search my fiancee's name or my name on Amazon, a registry should pop up as well.

Did he really? Yes. Okay. Brady Scott said he doesn't care. Isn't this though, because it bothers the shit out of me, but isn't this how we would want these guys to be? Shouldn't there be things that are more important than football, you know? In that particular, I got more like, I still hate it.

No, because obviously football is important. That's why you propose to her on the football field in your uniform. Like he won at the moment. But if you're, I'm sorry, if I'm her and these are the kind of decisions that you make in life, I don't want a future with you. That's how I'm looking at it. What? You wouldn't marry Brady?

This is a bad plan. It wasn't planned out. It's just, it's like the way he mismanaged his whole situation. I'm judging how he's making life decisions after this. I'm not quite sure if I want a future with you. That's how I'm looking at it. I wish we could see her face. She said yes.

No, she probably melanied him like on the game. She said yes because it was in public, but behind closed doors. She gave the ring back. Yeah. He's had it tough. He's played for three different head coaches. He's a red shirt senior, actually, it looks like. I'll be honest with you.

And it looks like he is a player for them. Big guy, six foot six, two 90. It's got a good NFL size. He needs to put on some weight, though. But look, I don't like it, but it's a different generation, man. It's a different generation. So you're saying he did it for the likes, comments? No, I'm just saying nothing like winning or losing the game

is going to stop a Brady Scott. Who Bozeman? Yeah, Bozeman just came in. Nothing's going to stop. Boseman loves love. So whenever he hears about love, he's going to come in. Big lover. Kind of you question.

Should I be worried about the fact that Boseman is so anxious? Like, I was walking Boseman this morning, and there were these guys that were, like, jackhammering something. And he was, like, super scared of the jackhammering. And then, like, we went around the corner, and he saw these guys welding something.

And he saw he got super scared of that. Like, I've never been around. a dog that's this scary and it makes me super protective. I'll let you babysit copper. He would jump at all those noises. Now granted, he's a rescue. I don't know his story before, but like those kind of noises, he's going to put his tail down and try to run home.

He doesn't like that kind of stuff. The dog I grew up with, gigantic German shepherd name Apache, he would fucking kill. Make a noise around Apache. He turned around, hair goes up on the back of his. I guess it's the same reaction. Fight or flight and Apache was ready to fly, but not Bozeman.

I fear that if- I think I'd rather take a Bozeman. If someone comes in here and tries to rob us, Bozeman's going to help them. Okay, well, that's not caught. Bozeman, no. If somebody comes in this house in the middle of the night, Bose were not going to bark?

Really? Hell no. Bozman's going to jump up. Yeah, well, stop telling people that. He's going to try to play. Oh, no, they got more problems if they're coming in my shit in the middle of the night. I got the Pinelli M4. I got the Panelli M4.

So they got more problems. You don't have to worry about both since. I'm going to hear you. And I'm not even going to say shit. That's my thing. If you come in my shit in the middle of the night, I'm not going to say shit. I'm going to rack my shotgun.

And if you hear the shotgun rack and you continue to walk back to there, say, what's up to my dad? Like, I was just being for real. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's the real shit. I get it. I get it. You're protecting your house and yourself.

All right. There was a fight at the MTV. We haven't told you know how far culture has fallen is that the VMAs were last night and we didn't even feel the need to talk about them. Did you watch the VMAs at all? You know what? It was on when I came back from the game. So I caught like half of it. Right. So, you know. I wanted to watch the performance of Chloe Bailey. I saw it. Yeah, I did. I didn't end up watching it. I saw it. I'll tell you why I didn't end up watching it.

First of all, why are you laughing? No, go ahead. I'll tell you. She's too young. I feel it feels inappropriate. How old is she? She's over 21, right? She's 22 or 23.

It just doesn't feel right. Why? Because she's so, she's, as her sister introduced her and said, she's found her voice. Yeah, it just doesn't feel right for me. Like, as a 41-year-old man is like, obviously the little girl is fine, right?

Beautiful. But it just doesn't feel right. Did you see the music video? Yes. Watch the music video? I watched the music video. Fantastic. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

So when Hallie said Chloe's found her voice and then I watched the performance, the voice sounded familiar. The performance looked familiar to me. Oh, interesting. What are you? It was very, very, Beyonce-esque.

It was very Beyonce. Go back and watch it. She's phenomenal. I love the music video. But there were elements of it, like the way that she would like sing, rap, and even her ad libs, it looked totally like a Beyonce

performance to me. And I know she's signed to their label. So I was just kind of like, huh, it was phenomenal. But it was very Beyonce. Go back and watch it. I don't know. I want to watch it. Thought warriors,

I wonder if y'all had the same thought. It wasn't, the video to me was way more sexual than her performance. Except at the end when she licked the microphone, that was sexual. But it was very, she licked the microphone? Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Interesting. But to me, okay, take the look off your face. What? Take the look off your face. I'm never even watching it.

The video to me was more provocative, but I, but I loved the, concept. I loved the entire concept of the video. But the, but the performance, go, y'all watch it. It was very Beyonce. Very Beyonce. So are you saying that she is L. Wack? I said the performance was phenomenal. It just was familiar. Are you calling her a bider? No, but I think that she's got, she's under Beyonce's label. She obviously, Beyonce's a mentor to her. So just to me, like, she didn't get in a formation or anything like that.

It wasn't like she stole her moves or her outfits, but just it reminded me of young Beyonce. What do you think reminded you so much about Beyonce? It's the way she sounded. If I would have closed my eyes, I would have been like, oh, Beyonce's performing at the VMAs tonight. Honestly. That's how it felt.

But it's not to say she was phenomenal. I repeat that. It just, I was, compared to the video, It just shocked me how much it was you're gonna want her you want her to find you're gonna want her to maybe find a little bit more of her own Her own voice her own thing in her live performances is what you're saying Yeah, because the video was was that I love the medusa element of the whole thing You know you know what that reminds me of when when Justin Timberlake first came out remember that Don do do do do do do remember that joint that he came out with with him in the clips ain't nobody love me no is that it

I just want to love you baby Balsman came in the room when he heard me in the hell. So when Justin first came out, Justin didn't really know who he was. And as much shit as I give Justin Timberlake, I fucking love Justin Timberlake. Like love. I love that shit.

All that shit is hot. The Timberlake shit is hot. It was scalding. You know what I mean? You ever heard a song called Strawberry Bubble gum? Yes. Oh. Yes. It was good. I was a Justin fan back then too. I mean, not that I'm not now. I just don't know. Love stoned. You know, all that. So I love Justin Timberlick. But when he first came out,

I just want to love your stuff. And he had Pusha Tea and the clips on there. People think that Pusha Tea came out two years ago. Pusha Tea been rapping. It was fucking I was in college. But when he had the clips on there, shout out to Malice too. We always forget Malice. We're talking about the clips. Clips, fantastic. He had the little hat on. He was still in the church.

Yeah, he's still in the church. He did drop music, though, but I don't know what the music is like. So, you know, Justin had the hat and he was wearing a glove.

And it was a... He sure was. It was a little Michael Jackson thing. They said about the weekend, too. That was a little Michael Jackson. He had the hat and he was wearing a glove, and then it was almost as if he was doing his little Michael Jackson thing.

And I remember thinking to myself, well, that's not going to work. Like, I get it. Like you, you know, you're not going to, that's, that's not going to be a thing. That's not going to work. And, you know, Justin eventually found his completely own look, his completely own sound, change pop music in a lot of ways with Timberland. Maybe Chloe will do the same, you know.

But right now she's following the blueprint. She's, you know, she's with me. I say, it's an homage. It's an homage. Okay. It was still a great performance. By the way, I'm setting a standard. Too young.

Chloe Bailey is too young for lust. For what? For what? For lust. She's too young to get the lust for me. So what's the proper age for lust? I think my lust age to my,

me to go, oh yeah, she's hot. I think I got to, I'm 41. I got to set my lust age at 28. Now does the age go higher as you go higher in age?

Probably. Okay. You know, I think I can set my lust age at 28, 27. in terms of this type, you know, I got all off the only fans. So, you know, some of those girls might have been younger. But as far as like this type of situation to where, oh, this is a hot celebrity type of thing, I think you got to stop.

I think, I think you can't be, you can't be 41. That's a, that's a kid, man. That's a little. Okay. Mine is legal. Mine is you just have to be legal. So just 18. If you're hot, you're hot.

So 18. He's legal. So, so wait. So let me ask your question then. Let me ask you a question about this. Is that okay for guys? I never said you the one who put these standards on yourself. But I'm just asking a question because so is it okay.

It is for me. It's not illegal. So if I was, I can't think of anybody who's 18, but I was like, if I was checking. You're talking lusting. Like, I'm talking like, oh, like hot celebrity crush type of shit. Like, ooh. That's your type. You like them young.

That's what I would say. If you told me you like the, I'd be like, oh, you like them young. That's one step away from. You like them. You like them barely legal. See, that's what I would tell you. That's one step away. That's one step away from, well, depends on what you mean by teenage.

That's one. It is. Barely legal. That's one step away. I personally think I'm 41. And I'll ask this. I'll ask this. This is another.

I'll ask this to the thought words. Chloe Bailey is too young for a guy like me to be on some, ooh, she's a fine celebrity crush type shit. Because first of all, should not be too old for that? You're just admiring her from a distance. I don't know. I'm not doing it. Van likes them barely illegal.

No, I'm not because I didn't watch it. I'm not, I didn't watch it. Yet. You watched the video, though. I did watch the video. The only reason why I watched the video is because the video calls, the video calls such a stir on the L.

So shall be the, last thing I'll say about the, the, um, the VMAs is that we got some white on white violence. He did. Conner McGregor had a fight with machine gun. Kelly. He tried.

He didn't land, but he definitely tried. So what was this about? Did you hear anything in the inner circles? What happened? Not inner circles, but it's being reported that apparently Connor McGregor, they were on the carpet at the same time. Machine Gunn Kelly, Megan Fox, Connor McGregor. Connor asked either Machine Gun Kelly or his people for a picture.

He wanted a picture with Machine Gun Kelly. He said, no. He got upset. And it led to, yes, it is. It led to a brawl, but apparently. But, but allegedly, Connor McGregor has been sliding in Megan Fox's DMs. And Machine Gun Kelly knew about that. And so he was like, no, you've been trying to hollower at my girl.

I'm not trying to take a picture with you. And that was the fight. Now, when he presented, Connor McGregor presented, he had a cane. Has he been walking with the cane? He got his fucking shit snapped. Oh, that's right. Shoot, I forgot. I forgot about that.

I was like, was that a result of the fight? You're totally right. I forgot that he broke his ankle. Yeah, he was very, he got his shit snapped. When he fought Dustin Porrier, he, uh, just, Dustin Porier checked the kick and I guess there was a crack and then Connor stepped back on it and his shit fucking snapped. It was fucking terrible. That's funny.

Yeah, that was the fight. That was the talk of the VMAs. See, and this shows you how all the VMAs have fallen. That would have been something back in the day that would have been huge. Remember when Courtney Love was throwing the fucking makeup at Madonna when Madonna when Madonna was doing her interview back in the day, the VMAs used to be just such a big deal. Maybe there will be a big deal at some point,

but videos have changed and sort of. Did you see Madonna at the VMAs? No, what did she do? Did you do something sexy? Madonna's sexy? All right. Check that out. What is this?

Harper's Mazar. Madonna's, let me see this. I haven't seen whatever this is. Harper's Mazar, Madonna's butt at the VMAs. Twitter is going a while over Madonna's butt. I mean, I see it. What's the big deal? Her butt?

Yeah, what's the thing? It looked enhanced. I mean, she got some butt implants. She was walking with it. So I think when she came out, you couldn't see anything. Then she turns around and everybody was like, whoa. And that's how the show up. And one, it was a surprise to see her there.

Nobody knew it. But then she had the butt. So it was like the talk. That's why Twitter went crazy. Look, man, I'm from Bad Rouge. It's going to take more ass than that to shock me. y'all get shocked over a inch of ass good for madonna she feels great she feels good i feel great but it's gonna take more ass than that to shock me i'm not getting out of my too good well the butt and the fight

were the talk of uh the vmase um last thing we'll touch on before we go here is did you see russle westbrook uh in his in his in his the i guess skirt or dress that he had on did you see the picture it was a yes it's a skirt yeah it's a skirt love it i didn't love it i didn't hate it i thought he looked great but it did look kind of cool yeah i did what i want to have somebody on here to discuss alison book me somebody else to discuss traditional african garb because i'm a tell guys this and i'm going to give you a taste of this go deeper into it a lot of the ideas of masculinity that are in our head come from the Western European standard of living that we have been introduced to. Guys from our culture going all the way back have dressed in garb like Russell Westbrook,

not too far from Russell Westbrook, wraps around their lower bodies for a long, long time. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't. Nothing about it is shocking to me. I thought it looked kind of cool, but I have like, I look at the picture and I have zero emotion. I just wonder, what the fuck is the big deal? Well, and to give background on it, there were people who were bothered by the way that

Russell Westbrook was dressed and Kwame Brown had this, this video that was just off. And he went off for almost two minutes about what Russell Westbrook was wearing and how men should be dressed. and it was just filled with hyper masculinity. And, you know, I watched it and I was like, okay, Kwame, like, your time is up at this point. Like, I don't really want to hear you talk about this. I didn't see it. Oh, you didn't see it? Like, all Russell Westbrook has to do is suit up and collect these NBA checks.

And those are two things that Kwame Brown can no longer do. I was, I was, honestly, it was disgusting to watch because, you know, he was like, I'm not homophobic. I have gay friends. I have gay family members. But it's like you weren't funny. It was cruel. It was offensive to so many.

different people what he was saying. And it was, it, it plays into what you're saying about hyper masculinity where it's like, if you're a man, you must wear this. Remember a long time ago when pink used to be so taboo? And then people are like, it's so stupid to assign a color to a certain gender. Camaro change. Yeah. It's stupid to sign color to a certain gender. Women must do this and they must wear this. That's what he was playing into. It was, it was disgusting. It was disgusting. Like, don't even watch the video because it was gross. masculinity has nothing to do with whether or not you're wearing a dress or not. Exactly.

And we have to stop assigning certain things to genders. Yeah. Just like, you know, whatever. Russell Restbrook's doing this thing. By the way, a lot of NBA guys was getting off this week at New York Fashion Week. I saw more. Really? I didn't see anybody but Russell.

To me, it looked like Jordan Clarkson might have been wearing a skirt too. You look like. Did I, am I making this? Maybe it was just the women. but didn't in the Olympics one year they wear skirts or did I make that up maybe I made that up I made that up you're making sure that all come out together in uniform I could have sworn the man had on skirts but I might be making them I'm gonna get my unexpected ally of the week early because I'm gonna forget what is it stop that you know what let's stop let's no go ahead because I have one no mine's really a good Samaritan of the week but go ahead

Mine is a Good Samaritan of the week, too. Oh. The people who caught the cat at the Miami game. Oh, yeah. That was, honestly, I couldn't watch that video. Like, that's terrifying to me. Look, I felt for that cat, me and that cat connected, man. Shout out to that fucking cat.

You know, shout out to that cat. That fucking cat. That cat left. That made that, like, oh, I'm just so glad that cat's okay. I can't watch stuff like that. Mine is to the Good Samaritan who found my wallet at the grocery store. I left my wallet. I left my wallet in the little space in the grocery cart.

I went all the way home, realized I didn't have my wallet. I came back and the guy who was pushing the carts was like, I was like looking all around. He said, are you looking for this wallet? And I was like, yes. And I just wanted to say thank you. And I took all the cash out of my wallet and I gave it to him. Because that would have been hell for me to have to figure out what to do with losing my cards

and my ID and all of that. And my vaccination. card. New news just broke and I want to talk about it. Just broke right now. What? Fox just bought TMZ. Who owned TMZ before?

Warner Brothers. Tell a picture. Fox bought TMZ. We're going to play a game. Don't look it up, Rachel. Okay. How much do you think TMZ

is worth? How much do you think Fox bought TMZ for. Well, wait, let me, help me understand something. I thought you said Warner Brothers owned it.

So they bought it from Warner Brothers. So this, so like, just Harvey get broke off for this? No, Harvey got sold it at this point. Okay, okay. Yeah. How much is TMC were?

How much do you think the sale was for? Like three to five billion? Just talk to me. So these three, you say, give me a number. I said three to five billion. $50 million.

Oh. I thought it was more. You mean to tell me, after all of that shit for all of them years, TMZ ain't worth the mid-level exception? Wow, I really thought it was going to be in the billions. They sold TMZ for a Patrick Beverly. God damn. They flipped Tim Z for Jordan Clark.

More than that. More than that, they flipped TMZ for a Jordan Clark. for not even more than George's and Carson they way more than they got an they got a caruso for TMZ that's nuts I'm truly shocked and I want you to know the headline says less than 50 man well sheds AT&T's Warner Media sheds the asset not not Fox gains they shed hey TMZ is now TMZ is now with Fox. That's great.

Success to everyone. I'm glad. I just thought that it would have been more than 50 birthday. I said $3 billion. $3 billion, you was way off. By the way,

by the way, $50 million is a hell of a lot of money. That's a hell of a lot of money. Right, but I think it's shocking that we thought it was so much more. Yeah. It just seems low, but I guess, congratulations to everybody involved.

Van is having some fun. I get it, Alex Cruz, so it makes $36 million, so it's not even, it's more, you know. But I just would have thought that it had been more than the mid-level exception. We already given them two hours. Look, you guys, keep your thinking caps on. Do not ever stop learning.

But congratulations to everybody. Love to everyone. I'm out. Congratulations. Bye. Bye, guys. See y'all later. Bye.