Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Black Twitter and the Death of Queen Elizabeth II

Episode Date: September 9, 2022

Van and Rachel react to the news of Queen Elizabeth II’s death and the overall legacy of the crown (12:28), before giving an update on the Jackson, Mississippi water crisis (32:37). Plus, Kim Kardashian discusses her talent (53:56), and the “Peak White Mess” of the 'Don’t Worry Darling' press tour gets broken down (1:04:07). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, Tom Warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lathan, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. We are out of our minds right now because Rachel's in New York, right? You're in New York, aren't you? I'm in New York.

And I'm in Mexico City. You know, we are all over the place. Rachel, what are you doing out there in New York in the Big Apple? Da Apple. Working like I always am. Working. Honestly, I don't know if I've ever been so tired and defeated. Yeah, I feel you. In a very long time, in a very, very long time.

So, you know, y'all, y'all bear with us through this podcast. Please, please. It's interesting. No, I'm here we're working. What's it? What are you going to say? I have to come out to Mexico City. Then I have to come back. Okay. I got to do something for History Challenge 15th. Oh, that sounds interesting. Uh-huh. Then I got to go to Atlanta. Then when I come back from Atlanta,

I got to then go to D.C. And Are you filming? Is this for the show? This is for, this is between hip-hop, homicides, history channel stuff, the revolts on it.

I ain't going to fucking nowhere in October. You know what I mean? I'm staying at the crib. God damn, man. It's crazy shit. It is. And I always tease you about the time differences. And I'm like, man, why can you not figure out Pacific time and Eastern time?

When I tell you I am struggling, when I was trying to figure out to say what time the podcast should start, I was like, wait, one, two, okay, three, two, one. Like, I couldn't figure out the hours, but that's just how I know I'm so tired. And I have a hard time saying no when it comes to work. And I finally got to a point where like, you know how you were like you had a breakdown of that? I had a literal breakdown yesterday. And I was like, no. Yeah, can't do it.

I can't. I can't. But I can do this podcast. You got to take time for Big Rache, you know. As I look out here, Mexico City is so vast. First time? Yeah, I've never been. before. Never been. Me neither.

But I hear wonderful things. Food. I hear some of the best nightclubs in the world. I won't be doing any of that. I like to get sleeping. I like to sleep. I like to, I like to sleep. So because of my back, I've been sleeping in this new way with

my feet up, you know. I got this little thing. So shout out to Tony Poland. Anybody who was asking for the name of the guy who worked out my hip flexors, which I'm kind of scared to go back on Sunday, but I have his name is Tony Poland.

He's worked with all different types of people. We work with the USA volleyball team. He taught me all of this stuff. I'm doing special stretches. And now I'm sleeping, you know, with the feet out. And so my sleep has with the feet a little up, not two up, and not on my side. So my sleep has improved.

But it's also reminded me how much I love my sleep. And I don't want to go to the goddamn. I just came back from fucking grease, turned around, all the plane came out here. Worst stuff. Come back, go to Atlanta. I want to just chill. I'm going to spend the whole weekend hugging.

Oh, no, actually, I can't. Saturday, I have to go to Anaheim to cover D-23. Oh, you're going to that. Yeah. And then Saturday night, Nick Young has his fight at the crypto. Oh, my gosh. Go ahead and promote that. You've been talking about it.

You've been hyping Nick up for a while now. You think it's going to win? Fucking blue face. got dropped from the fight because all the stupid stuff that's going on with his girl. Because of the goddamn physical violence that's going on. Blueface is fucking ruined in the back wherever you. But I thought she hit him. Yeah, but it just doesn't look great.

I mean, she hit him, but they just keep getting into it. I mean, that's not great. I mean, she was hitting him, but he was also getting, I don't know what you do. Here's the thing. It's like in that situation, I guess if you're blueface, you kind of just got to hit her with the whole stiff arm, but it looked like maybe he got a couple of hits in. I don't know.

I watched the video a long time ago. But anyway, having a domestic situation like that, the athletic commission didn't want to deal with it. So now Blueface is out of the fight. They're bringing a new guy. This is a guy we haven't planned for. I don't even know. So a big swole.

Yeah. Are you standing in the corner? Yeah. I'm insane. Yeah. This is what's me. This is a fight camp. It's weak.

So you've been sparring with him. You've been getting him ready. I've been swarmed with Nick for years now. I know, but is this the first time you stood in this corner? This is the first time he's fought. Oh, oh, it's his first fight. Okay. Yeah.

All right. Nick Young. You know what I'm saying? You know. But yeah, so, you know, people are award. But, you know, it's so, it's a, it's, you know, Kalika's out right now. She's enjoying the museums and sites of Mexico City. Donnie

Donnie before we jumped on the podcast Donnie was like he doesn't think she should go because he's worried about her getting kidnapped and he said that and I wasn't even thinking about that until he put it into my head

you know you guys give Donnie credit for being so positive but the mongoose is always looking for the negativity in every situation that's what you guys have to remember. See that's messed up. That said off mic, off mic conversations.

It's true. You know, you, Donnie, you know, you've been doing this long enough to know that nothing is off mic with Van. Sometimes I come on the podcast before we start and I have nothing to say because I don't want it to be a conversation on this podcast. He will take it and use it against you. You know better, Donnie. But did you really say that? No, I didn't.

I said that when I think of Mexico City, I think of that Denzell Washington movie, Man on Fire. Oh, man. And by the way, that movie was propaganda because the, movie was like, yo, Mexico City's got the highest rate of kidnappings in the whole world, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's a story about kidnapping. It makes you think you come to this beautiful cultural center that, you know, it's kidnapping's about.

The reality is I've talked to a lot of people. Did you know that Mexico City has the highest population of Americans of any city in the world outside of America? Over 700,000 Americans living. in Mexico City. What were you doing, reading the magazine on the flight? No. So what I do is when I go to a place

that I've never been before, I like to learn something about it, Rachel. And so I looked into Mexico City. Don't talk to me in a patronizing way. Well, you're asking me, well, like, it's such a random fact. It's such a, no, that's beautiful.

I'm sorry. It's beautiful. It's just such a random fact. You know, most people would be like, did you know that, I don't know, like this restaurant, this museum. Did you know that Mexico City is the most populous city in North America? I did not. How many people? Like $9 million or something like that. Oh, wow. Yeah. But like, you know, they're not counting, you know, it's like the city. Because in the city of New York, it's only 8 million people or something like that. But then in the city of L.A. There's only like three or four million people. But if you count the whole L.A., you get like

14, 15 million or something like that. It was like a lot. You just can't let go of the TMZ tour guide persona. You got it told up. Why does it always have to come back? I like to know what I heard about the place. I love your curiosity. I wish I had half your curiosity.

I love that. But it just made me think, as I was listening to you, I was like, he was probably such a good tour guy. I was good. But I wasn't good because I was curious about L.A. I was good because I was curious about the people. You know, I wanted to know about them, you know, asking them questions and stuff. But it's like, I look around in Mexico City and it said CDMX, that was the abbreviation for the city.

And then I'm like, why is that? Figure out why. Did you know that Mexico City, the current mayor of Mexico City, is the first Jewish mayor that the city's ever happened? No, I did not know that. It's incredible. Wow. It's incredible. We saw a Popeye's here being collegal. I mean, you got 700,000 Americans living there. I'm not shocked. It's been Americanized.

They could eat some chicken. Do you speak Spanish at all? No, not right. Okay. But I can tell you one thing. If I were to live in Mexico City for six months to a year, I think I would have a basic grasp of Spanish because I'm able to learn Spanish through all of these billboards, right? Because the billboard will say like Casa of the Dragons and it's the house of the dragon. And I'm like, oh, I know what that means. It's the House of the Dragon. Or it will say Popeyes El Famioso, Chicken de Louisiana. I'm like, that's how do you say that?

And so I'm looking at all of these things and I'm making out these translations. Like when I put it, we landed, I look at this. This big, it's like I had an American football and it said, Toto, something, something. And I was like, I wonder if that means play to win or something like that. And what it really meant was like winning is everything. And I'm like, oh, I was able to figure that out. So I think that I could get it if I was here long enough in this speak,

Spanish speaking place, you know? Okay. Do you speak Spanish? A bit. A piquito, a Spanish. A little bit. I've been telling that to everybody. And then when I say that to them, they speak Spanish.

And then I'm like, whoa. But they always say that when you go to a different country, the different language, they appreciate you trying. Yeah, well, I look like a fucking fool. All right, you guys, it's a goddamn hot, hot day on Twitter right now. Shit is blowing up. Very unfortunate day. There have been a couple of high-profile people

that are no longer with us. I would like to take some time right now to recognize Bernard Shaw, who was a staple for me as a voice on CNN. This is one of the guys that, a black man who was an Andrew on CNN. And you grow up and you'd see him and guys like him.

I've talked about Ed Gordon. These were the gentlemen, even Tavis Smilers. These were the gentlemen. I'm like, oh, wow, it's amazing. You know, Brian Gumpel, guys that looked like us that were up there. He passed away today. It's very unfortunate.

Somebody that was a very recognizable face and to see him in that medium for somebody like me who wanted to be in media, it meant a lot. And I would also like to take some time to recognize the death of David A. Arnold. It's a comedian who died at the age of 54. who was beloved around this town and around the country, some of the things that he had created and let his his talent to his family said that he had, he passed away sometime last night. So it's 54 years old. Very sad. David A. Arnold. But fortunately, there's somebody else who passed away that the entire world is talking about right now. And it's a day that a lot of people thought was coming and we're going to talk about it.

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So first off, I want to say I'm glad that you acknowledge those two individuals because a lot of times when you have someone that is iconic and our big deal of the day as we're discussing, and a lot of people's big deal of the day, you turn on the TV, local news, national news. You're sitting everywhere that Queen Elizabeth II has died. but we should not forget the other people who have passed away today as well.

So thank you for acknowledging them. Queen Elizabeth, we saw, I think it was earlier today, maybe even late last night. He was starting to get alerts that her health was taking a turn for the worst. Not the first time that we've seen this with the queen, not the first time that we saw it. I mean, we saw this in a very similar manner with her husband, Prince Philip, who passed away recently as well. But then the news broke today that Queen Elizabeth II, the longest reigning British monarch, whose rule spans seven decades, died today at the age of 96. It was announced first reported, I think I first saw by variety in Buckingham Palace,

announced it and confirmed that as well. She has been the queen for as long as we've been alive for our parents. She ascended to the throne in 1952 on the death of her father, King George, the 6th. Doctors had become concerned about her health. I think earlier Thursday late last night. She died at, is it Ball Moral? Ball Moral? Ball Moral Castle.

Ball Moral Castle? Yeah. She died at Ball Moral Castle in Scotland. Queen Elizabeth ruled over the United Kingdom and 14 other Commonwealth realms. And she became one of the most wrecked. What? Commonwealth games. That's how I do that.

I never do that until. I was like, what's the Commonwealth games? And then somebody said, hey, it's all the places that Britain runs. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And she became one of the most recognizable women ever to have lived. Just as quickly as they announced her death, they announced that Charles, her son,

is now the king. Really didn't waste any time with announcing him as king and then talking about who's next in line after that. I don't know. I found that pretty shocking that it was talked about in the same breath. You didn't mention one without the other. Is that typical? I don't know because this hasn't happened in 70 years.

Right. So there's a protocol. So what started to happen was with, Word first came down that she was gravely ill. You started to see some things happen. You start to see the BBC official Twitter changed their logo to black. You started to see the anchors on there started to dress up, dress in black.

There's a protocol. It's called Operation London Bridge. And that is a coordinated effort in Britain to report on, confirm. and sort of, I guess, choreograph the events as they would play out after the queen would pass away. So the code name, London Bridge is down. That's the Queen and Operation London Bridge

is the set of things that happen in the eventual wake of the death of the queen. How the media is going to cover it, what's going to happen to the flags and being flown that flat, all of that stuff, they already had that. They knew where to go because they expect, you know, a lot of upheaval in the culture of the UK, and they had to be able to meet it. So even with how they were going to announce who was next and all of that, they wanted everyone to know it almost instantaneously that she had passed away. And so when, and a lot of people online, social people on Twitter saying, like, we see

all of these things happening, this looks like Operation London Bridge. This looks like what would be going down when the queen would pass away. Have you been surprised at some of the celebrating that it's gone on on social surrounding the death of the queen? There are, of course, people that are saying, yo, it's sad. But, oh, large and loud portion of black Twitter is celebrating the queen's death ring. I mean, am I surprised by that? No. I don't think that you can talk about the crown, talk about the queen, talk about that symbolism

and not discuss colonialism. So am I shocked that people are celebrating? No. But do I like it? No. I mean, you have to first acknowledge, like, a life was lost here. It doesn't matter if they were 96, 66, you know, 1006. Somebody died. Somebody lost their mother, their grandmother, you know. And so to celebrate the passing of someone, unless it's just like pure evil, I'm never going to get behind a celebration like that. But I do understand the sentiment of maybe it's not even this. celebrating the person passing away. It's them celebrating the crown, the reigning, the root, the, like the, the oppression.

Maybe that's the better way to say it, right? The crown represents an oppressor. And that's what it symbolizes. It's not her Queen Elizabeth as a person per se, but what it represents that it, with her passing. and England stepping into more of a modern space, progressive space, as you're saying, you know, that that rain not be as strong as it was in 1952 when she took the throne. I think that's more of what we're seeing the celebration of, of maybe you won't see colonialism in the same way. Rather than celebrating the death, if I'm trying to find something positive in that.

And if I was going to say that there's something that I understand, it would be that. the death of oppression. Yeah. So I have some thoughts, but before I give him, I want Donnie to play this, the reaction of a lady on the street in Jolly O'Levigle to this.

And I think that this is a good table set for kind of the way I think I feel and the way some other people might feel. Pretty much it kind of doubles down on what you just said, Rachel. And I just wonder what you thought, what your first reaction was when you heard the news that the queen is under medical supervision? I mean, I think it's pretty sad, like, when anyone kind of gets in that position,

like, you wouldn't want that to happen to your own family member. But I'm not, like, the biggest fan of the queen, or just like the monarchy in general, so I wasn't, like, that upset or overwhelmed by it. It was just something that happens, I guess. You're not the biggest fan of the monarchy, I wonder why? Mainly to do with like British like colonial history, things like that. A lot of things that have gone on which have been quite shady even like recently with like Prince Sandra and everything. So yeah, I'm not really that biggest fan.

So let me tell you why I think that is important. So obviously, I'm a good old Southern boy, Southern man. I can call myself a boy. Don't call me a boy. We fucking throw them hands. So I'm not ever going to go, oh, somebody got, I'm happy with spike in football. It's kind of not my thing. But I do understand something here.

And I think what I understand about the community has less to do with the history of colonialism in the UK. It has less to do with that. It has more to do with choices that have been made. since then. Because looking at the life of Queen Elizabeth and looking at the

royals, they've made a decision. They've made a decision to uphold a certain status quo that exists over there. They had no choice in terms of how the prime got its wealth.

They didn't choose. Sure. I think this is that. a good little microcosm for some of the other things that happened. Be you a member of the rural family in Britain, or be you a man here in America, or be you a white person here in America, whatever. You don't really have much to say about the history of how things got the way they are, but you do have a lot to say about the present and the future.

And I think that routinely, Queen Elizabeth and the Royals, since she became queen, forget about the two to three hundred years before, right? Since she way longer than two or three hundred years, but forget about all that. Begant about that before. They made no actual change to adapt to a world that was expanding its understanding of not just colonialism and racism itself. The opportunity that the rural family had with Megan Markle was gigantic. They had an opportunity with Megan Markle to say, look, there's been a lot of stuff that's gone on in the past year. And a lot of this money and all of this that you see comes from that. But we want to turn the page on how things have been going here, how we're going.

how we look at black people in our relationship to people that we might have oppressed in the past. And they failed. They absolutely failed. They 1 million percent failed. Like they failed hard. They made it known to the world by making it known to making market that they did not want no diggers

in their family. Bottom line, they didn't. want no niggas in their family. They didn't want no niggas potentially sitting on that throne. There's nothing to stop when you look at the way things go for there one day to be a darker skin person on that throne. They made it clear that they did not want that by telling her that and thinking that she was going to keep that up in the type for some reason. So that is to me the failure of the queen's life when it comes to this. And I don't think that people, um, when people are celebrating this, I think they're, to your point, I think they're looking at it as someone who stood in the gap and kind of refused to change.

You know, there were a lot, in 2018, Prince Charles did kind of talk about the fact that the history of slavery and Britain's proximity to it was discussing. I forget the exact word that he used, but it still seems like they kept one foot in that world. And I hate to bring it back to this, but the best way that they could have shown that they were open to Britain being the land of all people and to move it away from their history was to address it when it was in their own palace. And they roundly refused.

They treated black women like shit. They wanted to know how dark skin the sun was going to be because God forbid that all of these things are according to Beck and Markle, the crown has not really spoke on whether when this came from, who said this or whatever. And they didn't even want to call a kid of prince. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

They made this, like, really, to be honest with you, the slander that's coming through, man, Queen Elizabeth made her choice. I mean, I'm just, I'm going to be honest with you. Made her choice? Yeah, she made her choice. Queen Elizabeth made her choice. Like, she made her choice. So let's just say, because you said, you know, the information that we got about them asking what color of the skin the baby would have came for Megan.

Let's just say that take that out, right? To your point, they had an opportunity to take up for Megan with all the slander that she was getting in the media and from their very own people and had the opportunity. to say she's one of us and we're welcoming her into our family. And it speaks volumes that they had to leave that country and come here. Like to me, that's the most damning thing. They couldn't, she couldn't even stay living there and had to leave because of the way your people were treating her. And the whole affair and the pomp and circumstance of the marriage was just a part of what the crown does. It had no meaning to her as a black woman. And that's very obvious by them having the opportunity to take up for her more than just a PR statement with their actions.

And they never did that. I mean, Harry doesn't even talk to William. Kate and Megan don't even speak to one another. And the riff in that family. And there were people, you know, who are pro crown who would say, oh, the queen is, the queen is who's holding them together. the queen is so powerful in what she meant to that family. If they wanted it to be a different way, it would. And it was the queen who had the power to do that.

So it means a very good point. And the influence, I should say the influence, the power and the influence. Number one, I don't think that they shielded her from a lot of the stuff that was being said about her because I think it was coming from them. Fair enough. Number two, think about how fucked up it is that you escape racism by coming to America. It must be really bad. You know what I mean? It's got to be super bad to escape racism and come to America to get rid of the clutches.

You know what I mean? I wonder if she ever told him that. She's like, I don't know if that's, you know, France maybe. You know, I'm sure it goes down there too. But the point that I'm making is that, you know, we talk about all these things. that the crown could have done. And we're always going to talk about actions, substantive things, right?

We're going to talk about reparations. We're going to talk about the way it deals with some of the countries that were in the Commonwealth. We're going to talk about in any way if, you know, you look to make people whole. What could you do?

Because remember, this is, for the most part, a ceremonial title that we're talking about. Sure. But even though we're not, talking about actual political power. We're talking about it's cultural power that has the opportunity to reset a cultural dynamic over here, which could have been a very noble life's work, right? Which could have been an incredibly noble life's work. But what I'm saying is that

you connected, because I always believe in this, there's this huge sweeping sort of polter known as racism. And then there's very intimate racism just to one person that demonstrates how it is that you do things and how it is that you look at things. And what you're seeing right now is a gigantic exclamation point that a lot of people felt when they look like, well, look, they must not. Anything they say is hollow, look how they fucking treat you that one. So like, once again, I understand the fact that I'm never going to bang the drum

to celebrate when somebody passed away. But you do have to give this to people. give them the freedom to live their lives like they wanted. She lived like she wanted to live. They prioritized what they wanted to prioritize. They made their choice. So everything that comes after that, we're not even going to get to the way the people are in Ireland

feel right now, the way the Irish feel. So we're talking about incredible oppression. So they made their choice. Now, don't try about it. So move on. You know what I mean? So my thoughts, goddamn. What do you think that this means, though?

Like, do you think that, because that's what a lot of the discussion is around all of this, is what does this mean for the future of the crown, the country? You know, will they, will other countries, you know, who are in the Commonwealth, continue to recognize them as the head of their state? I mean, like, what does this, what do you think that there will be any kind of change? Well, there's a king now. King Charles, all right?

Mm-hmm. King Charles has an unbelievable opportunity, an unbelievable opportunity. And that opportunity is to be about reform. That opportunity is to be about changing the dynamic and the definition of what the crown means not only to people in Britain, but the world over. Now, he has struck his feet as well as his mother in this before. But whatever might have been holding anyone back, there's an opportunity now. This man is in his 70s. It's no spring chicken, right? This man is in his 70s. Okay. So he has an absolutely sterling opportunity to reset a cultural dynamic.

Andrew in Great Britain and have a more progressive view of this entire theme. Will he take it? I don't know. It's different now than it was in 1952 or 1954 or whatever when his mother took over. But the reality is, what are you going to do with it? What is William going to do with it? All these people are going to act like, not forget about like a royal family, are they going to act like a family?

We all got family members that for some reason we have to learn to accept, you know what I'm saying? Are they going to act like an actual family? And if not, when the news breaks on Twitter, God forbid not hoping anything happened to this man, they're going to dance on them again. And not only that, but if we got to fuck what Twitter thinks, just you know that there's blood on the crowd. Don't you want to wash it off?

Yeah, well, you said he's acknowledged it in some way before. So now that you, we know that you've acknowledged it. Well, now that you have more power and influence, let's see what you do. Because we know that he is no stranger to breaking from tradition. We've seen him do it in his personal life. And broke some tradition. All right.

We can get to that too. All right. Jackson, Mississippi is still in the throes of, I want to say, unprecedented water crisis, but it's not unprecedented. We've seen this before. We've seen these type of environmental disasters happen before. Jackson officials have announced, though, that water pressure has been restored to most of the city's customers.

All of Jackson should now have pressure and most are experiencing normal pressure. The city said in the news released. Games were made at the OB Curtis water plant. Additional repairs may cause fluctuations in the pressure. The total plant output of 90 pounds per square inch exceeds the city's goal of 87 PSI now. We're going to talk to some more people next week about this. but the boil notice, though, it's still on. So the boil notice is still on.

So you're still trying to boil the water. You still advise to boil the water. Some of the water I've seen on the internet doesn't look boilable. Yeah, I've seen what you posted. I got to be honest with you. I don't want to, if I got to boil it, I kind of don't want to fuck with it. It's like I know that you have to, but it's grasping that strong. for a win here, Rachel.

The governor says that privatization is on the table. He's open to numerous long-term options in an effort to restore the city of Jackson, Mississippi's water. So they could privatize it, which opens up a whole different type of certified fucking problems. You privatized. It's crazy. Your thoughts? Your thoughts? Is this moving fast enough for you?

Well, it's moving exactly how I would think it would move. I mean, they've already kind of laid the foundation as far as saying this is going to be something that's not going to be solved in days or even a few weeks. It could take months. It could take well over a year. They've already stated that. So it's not surprising. And nor is it surprising that, you know, the governor's coming out. There's blame shifting, right?

Because people are looking to who should they blame at this point when it comes to why. we're in this situation. Why has it been an issue that's been present for a long time and nobody's done anything? It's just escalated to the point of no return. So no, I'm not surprised. I'm not expecting it. And it's great that they have water pressure now, but can we get it to the point where people can function in this city? Would you be okay with the providentization? No, my name. Of the water system there, would you be okay? with that being private, almost like a for-profit type of deal or taking it away from government hands? Would you be okay with that? I mean, the only way that I would be okay with it if it was

fair and equal, right, if it doesn't put any kind of burden on the residents, but I just don't see that happening. Yeah. I don't see it. And it seems like it would be a quick fix, and it would be a trickle-down effect as far as to how that would be a bigger problem for a city that's already or a county that's already the poorest in the state. I got to know what specifically that would mean, like you said, I got to know what that means before. You know what I mean? Fundability, I'm against that. There's the funds are there both federally and from a statewide situation, in my opinion, to be able to have a more than water system there. I think what we're talking about is crumpled American infrastructure.

And look, a lot of presidents in the past have tried to address you. We're dealing with an Asian country in a country that needs infrastructure health all over the place. And we continually see this issue politicized when we're talking about municipalities, man, roads, bridges, water, schools. if you can't pay for water, if you're arguing, if you can't pay for the kids to go to school, you know what I mean? We're just losing our way.

And this is what happens after a generation of pretty profit before people, of making sure that people are the last, you know what I mean, and trying to save a buck. How do you save a buck when people are drinking water? And how do you steal for people being able to drink water? You know?

Jesus, Christ, man. So we're digging into it more. We're out to everyone. By the way, I really appreciate the thought warriors that have hit me up with different people that we should have on. We're out to all of these people. We're out to all of these people. We're going to get them on and we're going to make you experts on this. And we are going to do something.

I think I want to do something. Maybe if you're down, Rachel. I want to pinpoint other areas in the country that right now are careening towards the type of crisis that we have in Jackson. I want to kind of get out ahead of it. So we know because a lot of the stuff that I was reading when I was researching Jackson was from last year. And I was fucking sleeping away. We didn't know. What up?

Well, this shit was on 60 minutes. So somebody just not Van Lake. And so like what, man, like the third person. What do I do to you? No, I think that's a, to answer that, I think that's a fantastic idea. So, you know, if people know, if you know, like you shared the story of the time you're driving through Louis. Louisiana, if you know something similar to that, let us know. Let us know. We'll keep everybody updated on what's happening in Jackson and honestly throughout the country because sadly,

they don't stand alone with this issue. Yeah. What are you going to do next, Rich? What do you do we should do? Did you see the portraits at the White House? No, I didn't. I didn't see anything about what was the deal. Okay. All right. So Barack and Michelle Obama returned to the White House, a joint return, I should say. for the unveiling of the official portraits. Now, they were unveiled in what is being called an emotional ceremony on Wednesday. This was marking their first joint visits since 2017 when they left and the return of this tradition in 10 years.

10 years. I feel like I don't remember watching this before. I know what happens. Obviously, you know, these portraits are a thing. I know about it, but I don't ever. ever remember really paying attention to it. Do you? I don't know. I don't get into shit like this. I know you don't. I know you don't. But I really wanted to know if you saw them because I wanted I saw the, I saw the report. When I say I didn't think anything about it and I didn't see the end. I saw

the portraits. I saw the portraits. What did you think about the. You don't like? You didn't like Michelle's? You didn't like push up. Sorry. I was disappointed. I was disappointed. I'm sorry. I mean, I got to look closer. I thought it was fine. You know what I mean? What did you like about it? I don't, let me, let me, let me,

Baroque's looked more, I don't know, I just, and I hate to criticize the artist, but. So the name is Sharon's from? You should go on right now. Barrox look,

Barox look more realistic and then Michelle. There's just two different types of paint. I don't know. What's wrong with you did this? It's beautiful. I did. It's like, what's wrong what you did this, man?

It's like a great. Did you see them? No. See, this is why. This is why I think it's came out. No, it's not the act of the portraits hanging in the White House. Obviously, they're going to be in there

for decades and decades to come. It's so meaningful. They're the first black president, black first lady. What that means for them to be, their portraits to be hanging in the White House, standing alone.

nobody else looks like them for the black folks who work in the White House and for hopefully more black people to come and they walk past these photos obviously means a lot however i can still say now i'm really feeling michel's picture you niggas was going to find something i'm telling you see i know exactly what you're saying rachel and especially compared to barrax brox looks so photorealistic michel's it kind of almost looks like a really really good like sip and paint. Oh my God. I say it really good, really, really good. Oh my God. Don't even go on to the face. Do you think they see these photos before they're actually unveiled to the public? I have no clue. I pray they have input.

And I pray Michelle was not shocked when she saw it. I pray that she didn't gasp or had the same similar to reaction. Maybe this is what she wanted. I pray that is the truth. Because this is going to be up there forever. I wonder if anybody's ever changed their photo. Was disappointed with it. I don't know.

You know what the crazy thing is? But I'm glad I don't stand alone. They had portraits that were done in 2018. Here's the question that people ask. We've seen some photos of Barack and Michelle that came out that were released in 2018, both done by black artists. and it was really no fucking complaints for people. Not that I can remember.

Maybe there was. Sarah Sharon Sprung looks to me to be a white lady. Are you saying, Rachel, that there is a difference. And both of these people who painted Brock and Michelle look to be white. Is there a difference, difference in the, you? reproduction of these people when they're done. I don't. I need to see what the other photos look like.

I can't remember. I obviously remember that they used black artists. I just can't remember what those photos look like. It's hard to say because I'm sure that they got the input of Barack and Michelle. And maybe this is the style. Because it's like there's two different styles of paintings. And so maybe this is what Michelle wants. Okay. So this is what we're going to do. We're going to do something right now. I want to do it. We're going to put up, okay, a 2018 portrait. Barack Obama was painted by Cahinde Wiley. Okay. Look at these pictures. These were two black artists that were painting them. Okay. Is there a difference? Amy Sherald painted Michelle Obama.

Is there a difference when black people paint black people, Rachel? Because these are for the official portrait gallery. And then when white people paint black people, are you saying? Because there's two white people that paint them for the white people. You know what I mean? The ones in 2018 were very celebrating. Which sets of photos do you? They were celebrated because they were black artists.

I'm looking at this photo in a show. And mind you, it's two different styles. There's two totally different styles. That doesn't look like Michelle. Okay, so you don't like either painting of Michelle. You don't like either painting of Michelle. Are you looking? Come on.

Don't want to Don't want to Donna for Becca. Because like, because like you don't want to Don't want to Donna for backup. You know, like Rachel, is it possible that you're a tad hard to please in this situation? I am. I'm hard to please, period. I think all the thought warriors would agree. That's true. But I'm looking at this photo and it's beautiful, right?

It's a beautiful photo, but it doesn't look quite like the show. Okay. Shout out to Barack and Michelle. It's good to see. And to be honest, Barack looks like a mix of Booker T. Washington and Rocky Robinson. It's great. All the portraits are good. I like them all.

I didn't say that they weren't good. Hundreds of law enforcement military. You know what? Look, you guys. Here's a deal. This story came out that hundreds of law enforcement, military, part of January 6th, oathkeepers. The January 6th rally, and they were oathkeepers right there. News flash to the American public. There are white supremacists in every single organized law enforcement. White supremacy has affected every piece of this. The question is, when I see a story like this, the names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials, and military members appeared. on the leaked membership roles of a far-right extremist group that's accused to play the key role in January 6th riot, the overkees. You guys are probably not very surprised about that. You're probably not. That's probably not surprising to a lot of people to know that law enforcement, elected officials, law enforcement that routinely bashes the biggest heads in, and elected officials that routinely protect the law enforcement that bashed his head in are involved in some of the these organizations. I bet we knew that. As a matter of fact, I would say that for me, a lot of these things seem to, there's a personality profile that the oathkeepers

probably need. And I would say that it's most likely two-way loving, ex-military, law enforcement loving people. I mean, just to be honest with you, and that's not to put all of those people under one banner, but the reality of it is, is there is a motorcycle redid that when you kind of see that. I guess my question is, what's the answer to that problem? Obviously, having people involved in far right disturbing sort of organizations is a no-go for America. Is there anything that you can do because of all the people that I heard talking about this, is there anything you can do to stop that, right?

Is there anything that you can do to weed those people out? Do we put certain organizations under one umbrella and say that if we catch you with any affiliation to these organizations, you are out? Because the question was, because I had a conversation with somebody, and they said, I said, well, we need to more thoroughly screen law enforcement. and the person came back to me and they said, I agree. But you know what that's going to be? What? More money to different law enforcement agencies or police forces around there because they're going to need more money and more resources to, like, this is the conversation I asked.

But wait, but if the money that is going isn't going to pay police officers and give them more money. The money isn't going to give them more weapons and materials to run amok and to equip these oath people that there are members of the oathkeepers and stuff like that. If the money is going towards having the police officer with the right mentality who's actually going to follow the oath that they take, then I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with money that is going to police in a positive way. I don't, but I'm not

for lining their pockets, which is why I'm not for qualified immunity. I'm not for those kinds of things. You are for qualified. I mean, I am for qualified. Yeah. Let's get that right. Well, Christian Walker, put that on Tick-Tock. Christian, Christian,

you like, Christian Walker, look that on Tick-Tock. I should get that right because we've talked about qualified immunity a lot. Yeah. No, but I'm not against that. I think money put in the right places to get it right is a good thing. but to answer your question about like, what do we do? Here's my thing.

Just as you introed this topic and you're like, it's not surprising. We know that there are these far right individuals in the military that hold office, that are police officers. We know that. But when you see something like this and this comes out that there are hundreds, if I'm a person in power or I'm, you know, hold a political office, I don't know how you see this story and keep scrolling and be like, yeah, yeah, we kind of, we kind of know that that's what it is. And it would just accept that that's the reality of law enforcement in this country or or people with political power.

I'm not okay with that. How do you sleep at night knowing that that's the case and you're just fine with it? But how do you not understand cries for like police reform when you see something like that. So a couple of things. Number one, I think that police budgets and the Mississippi water crisis are like one and the same. I think both places have enough money.

I think what we're really talking about is allocation of money. There's enough money. Right. So I don't think the police need any more money. I think what they need to do is maybe trim off a billion to. billion of whatever they're getting, which they probably look that much, and then set up something or go deeper into it. I think they're spending money on the wrong things.

I think the edict of police officers is not to be public servants anymore. It's to be in forces of some sort of American status quo, right? They are vigilantes almost in the way. and everything is to squash out the criminal. And when you look at things that way, you really train people who are about doing that, right? And that's why the fact that there are a bunch of oathkeepers in there, that's what the oathkeepers want to do.

The oathkeepers want to maintain, there's a fruit line there between them and the police. They want to maintain a specific American status quo, and they want to use fear, they want to use weaponry, they want to use shows and force to do that. That's what they want to do. I think the police have, in my opinion, kind of redefine themselves,

or not actually redefined themselves, have been defined as that in America. Now, if you wanted to create a public servant, someone who was able to do that, there were a lot of things that you would have to do. Number one, you have to take some things off at the police table. We talked about that. But you'd also have to use the resources allocated to you

to making sure you have people, candidates that are ready and able to fill those positions, right? People that don't just want to. to become a cop because they want to bash the biggest head in, like Leonardo de Caprio said, or like Mark Wahlberg said in the departing, like a lot of people become cops because they want to throw a nigga's head through a plateglass window, right? But people who actually want to see harmony in society, who actually care about making changes and about policing in the right way if there's a right way to police. And so that would be just mean, that's not even as much about

money as it is about a changing set of priorities. And wherever we see, we always look like we're seeing that here. And so when I see all this, I'm thinking there's an intense failure, an intense failure in American systems to have people in it. If these guys, to be honest with you, if these guys were sympathetic to al-Qaeda, they have been got to the fuck up out of their way before them. They would know we're looking for the wrong things. Like we're telling people this is what you should be afraid of, right?

I'm not saying you should be afraid of foreign terror. Of course, we should be afraid of foreign terror, but we should be aware of it, should I say. But the real actual threat to Americans and cities every day are people that are in fucking right-wing militias who have badges. That's not. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

God damn it. Oh. You're going to come back? Yeah, I guess. So much to do, Rachel, seriously. You ever get way down by the amount? It's just so much to do.

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Yes, last two. Kim Kardashian. Let's talk about this room quick. I saw this picture of Kim and her ass was hanging over her pants. I thought she was past the ass stuff. Didn't she say something like she wasn't about ass anymore? Didn't she jump off the ass badwifing or something? I'm not aware of that, but I think she's, I don't think that's what she's saying. I think she's just doing other things that aren't just ass focused. She is a picture on the cover of interview magazine,

ass in your face. Yeah. I mean, nothing wrong with it, by the way, but I'm just saying all of the Kardashians lost 700. pounds of a piece, they all look dangerously thin, right? I thought they were getting away from the Thickham's era of the Kardashians. I thought it was all about, you know, I thought they were going back to trying to be accepted into white.

Hey, y'all know, the ass was, was, was acid on the cover as she's blonde with blonde eyebrows. True. Like draped in, you know, the red, white, and blue. So she, I talked about in this magazine, the fact that she's been obviously excoriated for having no talent. She's very famous, but she doesn't have any talent. Okay, that's what people say. I'm like, well, the TV show, because we're not singing and dancing and acting on the show, that doesn't mean that the family didn't come from that. I mean, I can give you a million fucking talents that cook well, use my toes for anything. I could tell you the weirdest fucking

shit on the planet. I think my talent is marketing and the business behind selling products and knowing what the customer wants and making it feel it's inable, but also a bit unattainable at the same time. I wouldn't say that's a talent. I'd say it's a blue. magic and business savvy. Maybe it's a talent. I don't know. Kim Kardashian had this right. She is absolutely talented. And why is that, Vang? Do you know how talented you have to be to come this far and not be talented? You know how talented you have to be to be? We typically think of talents as things that are virtuous, right? Things that we would aspire to have, right? Like being a fucking

fantastic liar is a talent. Like all of this stuff, all of these things, there are different ways that people are able to be fantastic at things and they're talents. It's just talents that not many people would want to possess, right? My mom used to, my dad used to say this.

My dad used to say, Satan would give you gifts. He used to say it all the time. He's not just God, Satan will give you gifts. Kim Kardashian is extremely talented. She's been able to make you guys care about her life by manipulating you for almost going on 20 years at the highest level. When people say she doesn't have talent, I'm like, I'd say it's more about you than it does about her because she is making you care at every stop. Kim, Chris, all of them. They all have talent.

You know who's not talented in that way? Rob Kardashian, he's not talented in that way because I thought what he wants to do. That's not what he wants to do. He probably has some other talent, but you're right. That's not what he wants to do. Yeah, it's interesting because people think of talent as only one way. And I think that they also think that one, because this is a family that's famous, two, because of how they got famous. And three, the men that they are attached to have a talent that we more, that we more so we can see it and point to it, right?

Basketball. Music. You know what I mean? And so that they're comparing it. to that. She's absolutely talented and she knows she is and she says it. And even the way she phrases it by saying, I think my talent is marketing and the business behind selling products, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I know what the customer wants and making it still attainable, but also a bit unattainable. And then she goes, I wouldn't say that's a talent. I think that's this.

Maybe it's a talent. I don't know. It's like she's doing it right then and there, how she's describing what a talent is. I don't know. She is a businesswoman. Yes. She, you know all her business before you watch it on her show and you still watch it on her show. Yeah. She knows what she's doing and not everybody can do it.

There have been a number of families that have come across on reality television and they have failed in that, in that sector. They're still going. They switched up networks, switched stream. got more money and y'all still there's a whole new generation right now of that family and they are bringing in a whole new generation of people that are watching them and they're still going whether you like it or not so i'm going to make a comparison that a lot of people probably would have a problem with but i'm going to explain this comparison uh-oh draymond green had this amazing uh talk that he gave at the end of a rico hines run where he's calling out

all of the other guys that were at the run because they were doing, they were doing courts courts at the end and the guys were running home. And Draymond was telling them about what he's willing to do in order to be successful. At the end, he says it and he goes, none of you want it more than me. None of you want it more than me. None of you guys want this more than me. I'm always going to want it more.

and he said that's a skill. He is 100% fucking right. The fact that he wants it so bad, his hustle is a skill. Kim's hustle, even though she's willing to do stuff, I'm going to tell you straight. I think the Kardashians are bad for society.

And I know that that's crazy for me to say, have worked at TMZ for nine years. I think they're bad for society. I do. I do. But I also think that the hustle and the way that they are able to manipulate it, it's definitely a talent. When you look at a guy like Draymond, he's big, he's strong, he's fast, Kim is beautiful. She, you know, she had the body and all of that stuff.

But there's this extra thing that makes them able to go into the grittiest mud places people wouldn't want to go, right? and pull something out of it. She is able to do shit that the majority of us would never want to do. That is true. And come out smelling like a rose. And so to me,

whereas I think she's probably bad for society and look a lot of people are, right? But I think she's probably bad for society. I think she's definitely talented and I think people always say that to make themselves feel better. To be honest with you,

to make themselves feel better. If I told you right now, let me ask you a question. Kim Kardashian makes $30, $40 million of you. If I told you right now, question, would you, this is the question. That's your very serious question. Very serious question. Okay. Would you have a sex paper view leaked?

No. Or $1 billion. No. No. One billion dollars. I just, and I, people, are going to, y'all are going to go crazy. Y'all are going to be like, that's bullshit.

Rachel's just saying that. But I am a person who's very big on my reputation, and I also really have a fear of disappointing my parents. That's like a real thing within me. And that is something that lives on forever. And as much as you can applaud Kim Kardashian for certain things that she's done, you know, being involved with prison reform, as much as you want to say, she is talented and she is in certain ways, as successful as she is, you still always go back to the sex tape.

Even Kanye brings this stuff that up when he goes on rants. I just wouldn't want that following me forever because that's so, that's, I just, I'm serious. It's not what you think my answer is? Yes. Oh, I'm fluking. I get it. And it's different. I know y'all don't believe me.

Y'all don't believe me. It's different because I'm a dude, but I'm telling you right now. Yeah, you get revered in a sex tape. I'm telling you. A woman does not. Well, it depends on what kind of work you for me. But I'll be honest with you. Y'all don't want to see me negative right now is titties.

I think I got stretch marks on my back. Like literally, I think I saw some on my back. I thought it was a scar. Actually, Kalika saw it on my back. I thought it was like a scar or something like that. I think there are new stretch marks. But let me tell you something. if it's about a billion dollars

this fucking tiger is going to roar straight up it's so different when people don't mention Ray J the sex tape with Ray J as much as they do with Kim women are just treated different and I'm a question for the ladies out here a billion dollars if you knew that

leaking a sex thing was going to make you a billion dollars would you would you leave you know it's funny what's funny though and I'm not trying to call you're just saying, is you say that you would take the money from the Saudis to do the live golf thing for $250 million a year. What are you talking about? We've talked about live golf.

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But have you been following the mess surrounding? the movie, don't worry, darling. Have you seen it? Because you love the Twittersphere and it's all over it. Fuck, yeah, I've seen it. Okay. There's nothing better. There's nothing better than we're white people fighting. And this is why one of the reasons I love the housewives. I mean, granted, I like the black ones, the franchises too, but still, listen, okay, so if you don't know about this, I don't know where you've been, but there's so much drama surrounding the movie, don't worry, darling, that it might be one of the most anticipated movies of the year

because we need to see what all the fuss is about. Now, I probably was going to see the movie anyway because I just find the whole premise kind of interesting. But with everything that's going around it, it makes it even more juicy. Okay, backstory, here we go. While filming this movie, Olivia Wilde is directing this movie. I believe this is her directorial debut.

Is it not? No, she did. It looks smart. This was the second movie. So people were really excited about it. This is the second movie. Everyone's talking about it. While she was doing this movie,

she split from her longtime partner, Jason Stakesh. And then she began dating very shortly after the lead of this movie, which is Harry Stiles. There was a lot of speculation about this affair on set. And then it was confirmed in pictures. We now know that they've been dating, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, in addition to this, you might have known, but if you didn't, Olivia Wilde has spoken about it in variety,

that Shia LaBuff was originally supposed to play the male lead. And she said the reason that he is no longer playing that Mel lead is because of his, quote, combative energy and it just was not conducive to the set. And it didn't provide the type of environment she wanted, which is a safe and trusting environment. And that's what she wanted to foster on the set. He didn't fit in it.

She let him go. Now Shia denied that that was the reason that he didn't want to be a part of this. film. We know that he has problematic past, so it's kind of like the low-hanging fruit to be able to say that, and people are automatically going to take Olivia Wilde's word

over Shia LaBuff's, but then Shia LaBuffe started producing receipts, a video of Olivia Wilde, asking him to come back to the set, saying how much you want to him to be a part of it. Then there's all this rumor, the lead in this movie is Florence Pugh.

It's Pugh, right? Pew. The lead in this is Florence Pugh. and there's alleged rumors or there's allegations that there's tension between Olivia Wilde and Florence Pugh and Olivia Wilde won't address it, but just say things like Florence is the force. Florence has notably notably been absent from a lot of the press tour, showed up for the Venice Film Festival. So that's got people talking as well. Then all of a sudden, we have hashtag Spitgate because Harry Wilde, Harry Styles, apparently there is. is this video, and I'm curious to see your opinion on it, Van, there's this video where

Harry Styles goes to sit next to Chris Pine, who's also in this movie, and it seems as if he slings over spits on him. Now, you don't see anything come from his mouth, but you do see a strong reaction from Chris Pine, who kind of is like, really? Did this really just happen to me? And, you know, he kind of keeps clapping because they're in a moment where they're clapping, and everybody thinks that Harry's style spit on Chris Pine. They don't know why. Now, Chris Pine's people have come out and said that that did not true. That's not true. This is absolutely absurd. And, you know, the internet is just kind of running. Internet. Yeah. Internet. The Internet is internet. Yes. So it's very well put. A couple of things. Number one, I don't think that Harry Styles

spit on Chris Pye, but I do want to know what happened. Either he said something, because he clearly stops. But I think that Chris Pine got spit on, we will see a much, much stronger reaction. I think the interesting thing about this whole story is, number one, Florence Pugh is the winner of all of this. Florence Pugh said that she could come to the press conference and then posted a video of her in Venice drinking an apor-off spritz. Which are delicious? Olivia Wilde broke up with America's male sweetheart Jason Sadecas. sorry, David Harry Stiles. Who cares not to be deal about their business.

And since then, it seems like her fucking whole life went to sheds to curb and Tad Lassa. I can't wait to see the movie. I can't wait to see the movie, which I heard is fucking whack. Don't matter. And we're going to be watching the movie. And there's all kinds of stuff that's going on. Guys, this is the best marketing for film that has ever existed before.

It's like what a bad haste each other. He was kind of confused it. Fuck. So to me, I can't wait. I've been on this. I watch five, six different YouTube videos about all this. About the conspiracy behind Oliver. Do you believe all of this is intentional?

No, I don't believe all of this is intentional. I do think that they started to lead into it after a while. Because remember, there were other weird things that happened. Remember when Olivia Wilde got served while she was on stage? You know what I mean? So there's all kinds of stuff that's going on. But you guys, as a thought lawyer nation, I want us to be invested in this bullshit together.

I often ask you guys to be invested in the bullshit. These white people are fighting. If they fucking spit on each other, Harry Stiles and Olivia Wilde won't be in the same room together. Ford's Pew is Gallivante. She was seen in the video, gallivanting while everybody host was in the press conference. Forge Pugh has also said, she's going to skip the premiere of the movie.

the fuck. And they're not doing press right now. Like normally we would be we get to do the press and talk to the cast. We're not getting to do that. So much surrounding this, we will be watching. Maybe we'll do a movie breakdown of the movie. Maybe we should.

Yeah. Give me white mess. Is there any white mess recently that's been this good? I think, Donnie, everybody thinks. Yes, but you don't watch the housewives. There's just a count. They're like, they live for mess. This is mess.

You don't want to. I mean, I recently got tagged in another Bachelor issue. Apparently, a rumor frontrunner was his yearbook picture. Somebody dug up his yearbook where he is in Blackface. Yes. What's the name? Hold on. I got to see this.

It was, I don't know if there's been any articles about it, but it is, you know, I, I'm assuming Reddit got it. I was tagged in it. People want to know my thoughts on it. I love not being a part of this because I don't have to care, but people do still want me to say something about it. And apparently this guy was in full blackface. And not only was, it's two folds, right? One, he thought it was okay to be in blackface in present day.

It's never okay, but in present day. And then two, I mean, I would say in the last few years. And then two, his yearbook thought it was okay to publish. Can I be honest with you? Why are you, who is this person? I would like to say there. An alleged, I think his name, his name is Eric, a frontrunner on the show. I do not know his last name.

Eric, I demand that you come on higher learning. We got to discuss this. The Blackchler, the Black, like, you got on here. I never fails. Eric, I demand you come on Higher Learning. Guys, cut this. But Bachelor who hates us, the Bachelor who subrated, cut this. Get this to Eric.

Eric, years ago, I told soup kitchen that his only way out was if he came on this podcast and faced us. And he denied it. Like, he declined it. Eric, this is going to follow you around. You need to look at two black faces to atone for your black face. I love it. That's me. This is, this is becoming ridiculous. Like, as sure as there are roses on that show, there will also be racism. Like, y'all got to get it together. I'm so glad to be separated from it. So fucking funny. Eric, my nigga, what the fuck are you doing? Okay, we gotta go. Um, no mail back today. Uh, we, we'll do, we'll give you out some mail back on one day. Um, pay the de caps off, but do not stop learning. Do not paint your face black. If I fuck you up on

the bachelor years later. Okay, I'm Van Lee. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys. I'm so tickled by me.