Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Booing the Richest Man in the World, and Body Positivity With Kelvin Davis

Episode Date: December 13, 2022

Van and Rachel react to the Dave Chappelle’s crowd booing Elon Musk in San Francisco (16:11), and R. Kelly’s got brand new music (42:05). Then, plus-size model and fashion blogger Kelvin Davis joins to discuss body positivity and style (51:32), before a discussion about Skip Bayless (1:19:05). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Kelvin Davis Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher Learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Do you have any lotion? Are you trying to be funny? No, I'm not.

Because I'm ashy. And I feel like you looked in my hands when you said that. No, it's my ankles. I didn't realize these socks wouldn't cover my. Yeah. See? But that's, why are we ashy today? I know exactly who I'm ashy.

Because copper likes to lick my lotion. And so I'm like, I don't know. Jesus Christ, that sounds bad. Yeah, yeah. So if I put lotion on my legs, he likes to lick it off. A lot of dogs do this. He didn't always do this. I don't know where it came from.

Anyways, I don't want him to, so I don't put lotion on, and I say I'm going to do it when I leave the house, and then I end up like this. Why does that sound so nasty to me, lick my lotion? Well, you're saying lick my lotion. It's really that he's licking the lotion off my legs. I don't know if that sounds any better. But I'm ashy. You're ashy.

What's going on with the, why are you looking at? like you, why you bundled up. It's cold. And I don't know why you're trying to act like it's not. This morning, it was 30-something. This is a coat. It's like my coat blanket. I take it on airplanes.

It's my, I wore it today because it is that cold. I'm in Ugs. You feel like it's that cold in L.A.? Yeah. What's the temperature? Let's look at see what you. Okay, this morning when I left the house, it was in the 40s. Okay.

It's not that now. Well, let me see what the temperature is because right now you look at, look like you're on the frozen tundra of higher learning. Well, you know how you can be like chilled to the bone? When it's that cold and I leave the house, I'm cold all day. But you know, this is also something so, oh, okay, so the high today was the high, oh, this is Santa Clara, wait a minute. Okay, the high today was 54.

The low was 42. Okay, when I left, it was 42. So, like, oh, okay, the whole day, we got a week, we got a week of chilliness. Oh man, tomorrow is a chiller. A low of 39 tomorrow. A chiller. I took Bozeman to dog park this morning. No coat?

Did I have a coat on? I was wearing a hoodie. Oh, my gosh. I was wearing a hoodie. So Bozeman, well, he's a bigger dog. My dogs don't do cold or wet, and it was wet this morning as well. Right. And Bozeman was fine?

He was running around. He was doing his thing. Brownie literally was shivering in a corner. Bozeman was running around doing this thing, dogging it up. There's other dogs there. Shout out to, I met a new friend there, gentleman by the name of Simon.

It's an English football fan. What does Simon look like? Tall white guy. How tall? I say six, four, six, five. Oh, that's not same Simon. So I met Simon. I met another woman who were all talking.

And the woman goes, don't you just wish that you can transfer, into a dog right now and play with them. And just the way that it was said, it was just off-putting to the, like, we were having different conversations, and she turned, she talked about, huh? She turned to you specifically or the group?

She turned to the group. And was just talking about transforming into an animal and playing with the animals. And it just kind of threw the energy off a little bit. You know what I mean? So you left. No, I didn't leave. I mean, I stayed there and let Bozeman play for a little while.

Bozeman's very bad with the balls. Like, he'll just take all the balls and guard them. Aw. And then, like, they'll try to get the balls and be like, but he won't let the rest of them play. He's got to be better about that type of thing. Oh, Bozeman. Speaking of animals, I'm here right now to advocate on behalf of P-22.

Oh, I'm, we're not starting off with that. Come on. Because. Oh, my. Donnie. Thank you, Donnie. Fine, you do that, and I'm going to speak on behalf of the fallen chihuahuas. Okay, well, let's do that.

Okay. So if you guys aren't aware of what's happening right now, there's a possibility that we're going to see the end of a love affair between the city and Mountain Lion. P-22 is actively trying to be captured. was actively He's distressed He's The city of Los Angeles

Is looking to capture Should I say P-22 They're saying that These attacks On dogs Are because he's getting older And he's distressed Maybe

You know Cognitively It's not the same cat That he once was It's like I bring him in This might take A couple of days They say this might take

a couple of weeks, might take a month to get P-22. I just want people to remember that this is Mount Lion that has given Los Angeles years and years and years of fun has raised awareness about the plight of wild animals everywhere that have to live in urban habitats has captured the spirit, the heart, and the soul of an entire group, of an entire city. Think about how LA has adopted P-22 and how P-22 has become a proud Angelino. Really seriously, man, like this cat means a lot to a lot of people. And I just hope that those who are on the lookout and who are looking for P-22 and who are going to probably have to be able to. to bring P-22 to some more controlled habitat or aware just how much this cat has meant to the city.

This cat in and of itself is such a big, big example of how we have to keep an eye on the habitats for wild animals and how we have to keep an eye on how we are encroaching into the lives of these gentle but very important beings. to the ecosystem. And I hope that this is a learning moment for everyone out there who cares about L.A. Cougars. Thank you, Donnie. Thank you very much.

Listen, if they have to put him down, it is sad. Like, to lose a life is sad, period. And I can even have sympathy for P-22. Now, I'm not as connected to him as you are because I've only been here for two years. I did look up his age. He's 11. He's past his prime.

Most Mountain Lions have a normal lifespan in about 10 years unless they're in captivity and then it can double. Right. So he is getting older. And with age, we have seen him murder viciously that we know of two chihuahuas, two dogs. Don't shake your head at that. It's not murder. He did.

He intentionally took their lives. It's not murder, though. Like when you say murder, murder. Say that to the people who lost their beloved pets. I am very sad for them. We know pets. We know that they're members of the family. Murder is a human. You're transposing human stuff onto animal.

Your intent murder. P-22 is Mount Lion. A great, Van. P-22 is Mount Lion murdered those Chihuahuas. May they rest in peace. By the way, one Chihuahua didn't die. So only one Chihuahua died. Viciously attested.

attacked two leading to the death of one of them. He hunted. Murder and attempted murder on the Chalawas. He's 22. I'm not trying to get in the, go ahead. Fine, he did hunt them. Fine. But this is what I find interesting.

You know, you always speak and advocate on behalf of Mount Lion. It is within their nature to hunt, as you like to say. So why is it abnormal that he's hunting now and he wasn't in before? Because before there was number one, there wasn't a drought, so food was more plentiful, and he could hunt deer, rabbit, things of that nature. He wasn't hunting. He wasn't crossing over into the urban environments. That's what people are saying.

So is it distressed or is he just trying to live? Is he, right? Either way, sure, it could be distress. It could be distress because of the drought, because of the things that are happening, right? because of the fact that his habitat is being encroached into more. I love how, and I got to be real with you. This reminds me a lot of how things go. These animals were living here already.

People come into their homes, fuck it up, and then say that they were the problem. That's what people are always doing. Nothing is more indigenous than an animal. An animal been living there. I'm not comparing animals to people. You know, I'm not doing that. I'm just saying it's just so unfair now, right? It's unfair.

I don't know how you live with yourself. In regards to, if you have that type of thinking, how do you go into your place, your dwelling, knowing that you took the home of some animal? How do you drive on these roads and freeways, knowing that at one time this was home of animal, as you would say? Animal. Animal.

Home of animal. I don't even know how you do that. It doesn't make me feel good, but you know, it does make me feel good. Just like, because this is what people say, right? This is how people do. People like yourself. This is what they do, right? So if you tell people, hey, maybe consume a little bit less meat, good for the environment,

they go, well, aren't your shoes leather? This is what the show Yellowstone has become. Don't tell me about season five. Yellowstone has become, I love Yellowstone, it's become propaganda for the cattle industry. The show really has because it's like they have a character on there played by Piper Parabo. You've seen her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She makes it to season five?

Oh, she has to. Yeah, like the environmentalist. And then Taylor Sheridan and the rest of these people are just changing America's minds about the cattle industry and the meat industry one clip at the time. She'll say something and then they'll say, hey, well, you know, when you're when you plow, you kill all. all the animals to get your kingwa, everything under there, that all dies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They accept that. Yeah. And I'm not saying it's not true.

I'm just saying it's pointed directly at a specific group of people because Taylor Sheridan is a cowboy and he's trying to make people understand that you're a hypocrite too. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about the fact that you can't be totally pure. I can't be totally pure. I live in society. See, I know what that was. I was nature making you cough. What I'm saying is you do the best you can.

and you don't kill P-22 and you make sure... They're not going to kill them. I know that they're not. But I want to make sure that we keep L.A. a place where Mount Lion has a home. I'm serious about this.

How many other P's are out there? I don't know. Why is it P? Patient? Product? I don't know. I actually don't know. Come on, advocate.

What's the P stand for, Donnie? Stands for Pet. No, I'm just joking. No, that's... what he kills. Puma. Probably Puma. You think it's Puma 22? Puma 22. I want to make a documentary about P22. I do. But seriously, though, this is a, this is a big story about, do you know, that there are, there are all kinds of animals that read up on it. It's like they have lost their habitat of animals that have lost up to 33% of their habitat in the last 20 to 25 years.

It's sad. It is. No, it's not sad. It's a crime against a Nate. You know what? Rachel. It is for Puma. It is? Mm-hmm. How do you like the fact that he's got an electric neck collar? I don't like that. I don't keep an eye on him, you know? I got to know where he's going and stuff. You know, there are sort of things that we have to do, but let's see what happens with him.

Do you know there's a P-22 day? Yeah. I've seen that. Save LACCougars.com. Everybody go to savelacougars.com. All right, and they're going to talk about P-22. They're going to get you going. Looks like somebody beat you too. What? The documentary. About P-22, let me see.

America's most infamous mountain lion. It's like, that's not, I mean, I can do another documentary on P-22. I'm just saying. The cat that changed America. Their books. P-22 is a big deal. I got a P-22 stuffed animal on the way. Oh, did you ask the guy who had his on the roof?

Is that who's P-20? By the way. By the way, because I know everybody loves to kick me in my nuts about everything that happens. I just want to say again, the picture that the Weisenheimer's on, I love animals. And the way that you know that I love animals is because I love the jackals on the Reddit. They're animals. So it is a bunch of animals. Let me tell you something.

The picture that they put on the Reddit is not the picture that Donnie put into the chat. It's a different picture. It's a different picture. Just take the L. I take it. It's fucking fine. We have an interview in the show today. We got Kelvin Davis.

It's a plus-size male model coming on the show to talk about his blog. Talk about what it means to be a plus size and a Mayan. We're going to get to him a little bit later. On the other side of this break, though, the big deal of the day. Well, I didn't ask you how your weekend was. What did you do this weekend? You know, I had a chill weekend. You did?

Yeah, I did something exciting. I acted. You acted? Don't sound so disgusted. You know exactly what I meant when I said that. I acted. You know? In a show?

I was in a show. I can't say which one. Is it on television? Yeah. It's like a big show? Can we play a guessing game while I try to guess the show? No. Well, you can, but Donnie's going to have to beep it out.

You get three chances. I can't say because I'm not allowed to. What network? Well, that narrows it down. HBO Max. Oh, okay. HBO Max. Nigger, it's a million networks.

Don't nigger me. So it's on HBO Max. It's a drama? No, no, no. You guess now. You stop getting in the category. What are you talking about? I got to ask.

What? No. It's not a drama. No. Okay, what's the last question that I can ask? Is the star of the show black or white? This is, come on. This is so easy.

Rachel, do you know? how to play these games? Donnie's going to guess. Donnie, do you know? Is it the rehearsal? No. The rehearsal. I've never even heard of that. Nigger, do you think, do you think that's right? You're asked. One second of the rehearsal, Donnie, there's no way that Rachel has seen that show before. I don't like where this is going. What are you talking about? What kind of show is this? I don't like the way that you just threw that out there. Is it a Marvel show? No, it's not a Marvel show, but it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, too far out there for Rachel. All right. On the other side of this break, Donnie,

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consumer protection tool. Restrictions apply. See terms at fanduil.com slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash terms. Big deal of the day is Elon Musk and Dave Chappelle Pals. Chase Center. I saw I saw this because I was watching

a Warriors game. Watch a Warriors game Saturday night and you see you know, checking the Warriors game and you see sitting sideline

with Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle I'm like, oh, they must be playing there at the Chase Center because they got court side seats.

They love basketball but they must be playing there and they weren't. Dave Chappelle was playing the Chase Center which is up there,

San Francisco, Chris Rock. And he decided that he would introduce the crowd to his good friend the new CEO of Twitter, the also CEO of Tesla, SpaceX,

Elon Musk, and there's video of this, but you don't really need the video. All you really need to understand the response of the crowd is the audio. Donnie, run that for us. But you know, it's one thing.

All those people are booing, and I'm just, I'm just pointing out of the audience. You have terrible secrets. I understand. All coming from way up there, There you have it. No, the next minute. There you have it.

Boo, boo, boo, boo. Is what went on. They booed Dave Chappelle? They booed Elon Musk. They booed Elon Musk. They booed Elon Musk. They booed Elon Musk.

They booed Elon Musk. There's a lot of discussion about this on Twitter. The woke up and I saw this and there was a ton of people talking about the fact. that this might point out to them, this might signal to them that Dave is a tad out of touch if he thought that Elon Musk would get any other response than booze in front of a stage for the random people, particularly with those people existing in a liberal bastion

like Northern California. Yeah. I think Dave Chappelle knew exactly what he was doing. Interesting. I think that there's no way that Dave Chappelle knew, because mind you, he introduced Elon at the end of his show. Yeah, the very end. The very end. There's no way that he didn't know that people would have a big response.

And as, you know, with the things that he's said on stage as of late and the response that he's gotten and, you know, a lot of people calling to, I mean, for lack of better words, cancel Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle is one that likes to antagonize his crowd, social media, the media, the public. And I think he knew people would boo Elon Musk. And I think he was entertained by it. And I think he said Elon up. I don't think Elon thought that. I think he thought he was going to come out and, you know, maybe tell a joke or maybe make people laugh or say something. But like there's one point in it where Dave Chappelle says something like,

he says don't say anything. It'll only spoil the moment while they're booing. He told Elon not to say anything. Just like let the booze go. And I think he told jokes. Dave told jokes because that's what he does. And, you know, towards the end, he joked about Mars. And it was funny some of the stuff that he was saying.

But I think he did all of that on purpose. And I think he was part of a bit. I think Elon was not in on that joke. Interesting. So do you think that Dave Chappelle subjected Elon question. Do you think that Dave Chappelle subjected Elon Musk to the crowd? Or do you think that

Dave Chappelle subjected the crowd to Elon Musk? Elon Musk to the crowd. Interesting. I really think the whole thing was a setup. To embarrass Elon Musk? I do. I don't know how close they are. But I'm sorry. Dave Chappelle is smarter than that and he's been on these stages and he knows how like a comedy show can go. There's no way he thought people would be excited about Elon.

There's no way. Because Elon seems to be shocked that he thinks that all his hate comes from social media. And that people in real life don't actually feel that way. And to his surprise, they actually do. And I think that's the way he thought. I'm not shocked that people were booing. I don't think that it takes a genius to think that, there would be any other reaction.

I don't think people would be cheering to see Elon Musk, especially in San Francisco. So I think Dave Chappelle, it was a bit. It just Elon wasn't on it. I think he knew exactly what was going to happen. So then in that case, you don't think that Dave Chappelle and Elon Musk

are really friends. No. I think that he, if Elon was like, you want to come to the show, I think he was like, yeah, I'm going to come to the show. Dave Chappelle says their friends. He said that. He said that on stage, right?

Uh-huh. So, I mean, look, Do I think they're really good friends? No. I think this is a fascinating sort of a way of looking at it because in a way, it absolves. And I want to make sure that we keep this. It absolves Dave. It absolves Dave Chappelle for a lot of what people are of, should I say, what a lot of people

were thinking was a really out of touch. He's too smart for that. He was roasting Elon on stage. Kind of. Was he? You feel like he was roasting Elon on stage? Like towards the end? Like, I mean, yeah.

He rose at the audience. He rose at the audience when he said where the booze were coming from. But that was the only thing towards that. I mean, for him to say, don't say anything, it'll spoil like this is civil unrest. Like, he's making jokes. I thought he kept him on state. That was a, it was really five minutes. He was on stage, just subjected to booze.

That's not what a friend does. I thought the civil unrest joke was poor. Donnie, run that part. Let's run particularly what Dave said about civil unrest. Let's specifically get to that part and run it. You niggas can rule what this nigga gave me a debt pack last Christmas. Fly right around your house, nigga, boo these nuts. That's how we like to chill.

We do all the shit. Dad, what should I say? Don't say nothing. Okay. And I'm only spoiled the moment. You hear that sound, Elon? That's the sound of pending civil unrest. I don't know.

I'm going to see which story you desolate next, motherfucker. You shut the fuck up. I'm sorry. That joke. That right there. That's the sound of pending civil unrest. Which store you can desolate next. As if, I'm not going to clutch pearls.

Descimate. Decimate. I'm not going to clench pearls. clutch pearls. I'm not going to clutch pearls. There's no pearl clutching involved. But as if people woke up one day

and decided, let's manufacture something to be upset about so we can go out there and fuck up a target. No. The reason why people did what they did, the last time there was large-scale civil unrest in 2020, was the same reason why Dave Chappelle

decided to make an entire comedy special. Yes. called 842 about something abhorrent and disgusting that he saw. The same emotion that Dave Chappelle used

when he was on the stage was the same emotion that led people to destroy what essentially is capitalism and commerce. And I don't know, Rach, I think you might be giving Dave a little bit too much credit. Because, I mean,

I'm not... I think both are true. I don't have the claws out right now, but this just seemed like a blind spot. And far being from us to, far be it from us to not come to terms with the fact that Chappelle has, he's sort of showing us that he has some blind spots in these last couple of years, no? Yes, absolutely. But when I say both are true, I do think he brought him on stage to antagonize the crowd.

he knew he was going to get a reaction. But I also think he was setting Elon Musk up. I do. But when you say setting him up, you're saying set him up in a way to embarrass Elon? I do. I really do. Oh, I disagree. I think it's both.

Yeah. Not both where, like, I don't think that he didn't know. I really don't think he was like, I'm going to bring my friend out on stage, you know, because, you know, he's got roots here in Northern California. I don't think that's what he was thinking. I just don't think it was that simple. as I'm just going to bring Elon Musk out. He's backstage.

He wants to come out. You know many people probably go to back. His friends come to shows and they don't come out on stage. Like Elon Musk had a mic. I really think he thought he was going to come out there and do something. It's like, his presence alone is going to fuck with y'all. I think he wanted to fuck with people.

I think that Elon Musk is not even. Elon Musk doesn't have a scintilla of the self-awareness that it would take to understand just what the reaction to that crowd is going to be. And one reason because of that, one reason that's true is because Elon Musk as this Bond villain-esque sort of hyper-rich rabble-rous

is a relatively recent development. Like Elon Musk was pretty popular up until around 2018, 2019, when it started to get a little weird. And as his personal politics have sort of kind of taken over a little bit and he's turned Twitter into his own sort of regurgitation tank, I think people have started to kind of see that a little bit more. Right. But I don't think that Elon Musk realizes right now how much people fucking can't stand him. I agree.

And I also don't think that Dave Chappelle realizes how much people can't stand Elon Musk. Agreed to disagree. I do. Okay. So this comes on the hills of Elon Musk. tweeting out that his pronouns are Prosecute slash Fauci, which a lot of people took umbrage with.

Number one, because a lot of people love Dr. Fauci, number one. And number two is that it makes fun of and sort of lampoons, if you will, the use of pronouns, which people take as being transphobic. People also connect the fact that he would do something transphobic to the fact that Dave Chappelle would bring him out on the stage, but you don't. Well, when was the time?

He tweeted that and then came out on stage? He tweeted that. I think Friday or Saturday, maybe like Friday or Saturday. I think this was Sunday that he was on stage. Oh, I mean, I think that. It was earlier the same day. It was earlier the same day, should I say. I think that Elon was always going to come to the show.

And I think Dave was always going to, once Dave knew he was coming to the show, he was going to. I understand the course. correlate like the two. It makes perfect sense. And he again could have brought him out to antagonize the crowd, which I do think that that was part of that. But for me, I think this was always going to happen once he knew Elon was coming. Let's talk about a couple of reasons why people might not like Elon Musk. Okay. Just so people know, Tesla, Elon Musk's company, was, and maybe still is, a hotbed of L. racism. and I don't mean to say that in a way that in some way sanitizes it.

Multiple motherfuckers say that working at Tesla was racist as fuck. Okay, 46 lawsuits. Former and current Tesla employees allege that they were targeted and harassed based upon gender and race. This is crazy shit. All right? You have 24 women that have sued Tesla in the past five years alleging that they were sexually harassed, groped or physically assaulted and in some case denied pay, raises, and promotions. So anyone who thinks that Elon, that some of Elon Musk's worldviews or the shambles that he has turned the Twitter infrastructure into or him kind of being this sort of mascot for far right power, that those things don't have an effect on real people beyond.

sort of propagating these ideas with a loud, loud, loud microphone and loudspeaker that he has. No, there is reason to believe and there's been money paid, $137 million paid to one particular black man, because people went into bathrooms at Tesla and said that they saw swastikas on the, like in the, in the bathroom stalls. And that after telling Tesla brass about this, we get responses like, hey, we want to keep this environment turned up. We want to keep this environment for people who have thick skin. And while they're telling people that people are routinely using the N-word at Tesla, that they were like responded to with people saying, hey, you have to have thick skin to work at Tesla. So some of these worldviews that you might

see on Twitter or in an interview, these things are a part of what goes on, apparently, judging by these lawsuits at Elon Musk led companies, which makes people wonder about apartheid clides fitness to be who he is in the culture. We forgot about the fact...

For a second, I forgot. I was like, oh, yes, shit, you're right. We forgot about the fact that he was... He grew up in apartheid. He grew up in apartheid and sort of emerald minds are what funded this person's life until he came over into Silicon Valley

and started making moves. So, you know, this isn't just, you know, the problems with Elon Musk go a lot deeper than a couple of problematic tweets. These are real problems that real people, real black people are having. And you're, and so when I see Dave Chappelle, somebody who took time away from his show,

his show. The last five, but his show's over. No, I'm talking about the Chappelle show. Oh. Dave Chappelle, left the set of the Chappelle show and ventured out into the world because of what he perceived

to be inappropriate laughing, inappropriate racial dynamics in the workplace. But it doesn't seem like he has that much problem with a guy who doesn't give a fuck not only if people are calling black people niggas in the workplace but paying swastikas on bathroom walls. I'm not a Dave Chappelle Apologist by Indian.

means. I do think that sometimes he's caught up in, oh, y'all came at me for this. And I don't know if I should say it this way. I work with somebody who got into, was on a hot mic, obviously

we know, with the whole situation. And I constantly see him I don't want to say the word take up. And this isn't a secret, but always understanding when somebody has some type of controversy and filling the need to speak out. I think that's a little bit of what Dave Chappelle does. I'm not saying it's right. I'm not apologizing. And I think that he likes to antagonize people

for the way people came at him. I don't agree with it by any means. That's why I think he, one of the reasons he brought Elon Musk on stage. And I think that's, and I don't think that it's going to stop there. I think we're going to continue to see him bring controversial people out. I mean, this, this is he's more, Elon Musk is more than controversial. But I think we're going to see him bring people like that, either speak up, bring them on a show, sit next to him at a game, whatever it may be, because he feels like he wants to antagonize the people who came after him. I wouldn't be surprised. And I'm not saying that Billy antagonizes, but I constantly see him wanting you speak out because something happened to him. And anytime something happens to somebody else, he's like, but wait a minute, I know what it's like to go through this, this, this and this. Just so people know, I understand what you're saying right there. Just so people know. Marcus Vaughn is the former employee. Elon Musk addressed Marcus Vaughn's concerns in an email.

This is what the email said. Part of not being a huge jerk is considering how someone might feel who is part of a historically less represented group. Musk were an email. Sometimes these things happen unintentionally. In which case, you should apologize. In fairness, if someone is a jerk to you but sincerely apologizes, is important to be thick-skinned and accept that apology.

Get over it. Problematic for many reasons, right? But one reason is because it fails to address the larger issue of whether or not Tesla is committed to creating a safe workplace. It fails to just saying, hey, be nice, but apologize when it's not the question. the question is, is Tesla or any of your other companies, including now with Twitter, are they dedicated to creating safe workplaces for black people, for women, for gay people?

Are you dedicated to that? Because saying people fuck up, apologize, and you should accept their apology, is not saying, hey, we're going to make sure that people know that it is not okay at Tesla to espouse racist, anti-Semitic, transphobic, or gay rhetoric. Yeah, no, he doesn't care. I don't think he's...

Rachel, I'm going to be honest with it. I think you gave Dave Chappelle a lot credit in this. Maybe I did, and I'm sure they'll come after me. I'm sure they did. But to be honest with you, I looked at both ways. I hadn't considered it. I hadn't considered that maybe Dave was trying to play Elon. That's interesting.

Well, the only reason I say that is because a lot of times when he, when Dave Chabelle's doing his comedy specials or whatever, his monologues, it's never exactly as it seems. And so when I first saw it, I was like, okay, let me not look at it for what it is. Let me think maybe it's something else. That's why. But I'm sure you all come at a meeting. Whatever. I see it both. I see it.

I see it. I see it. It's Rache time. All right, Kanye West. Kanye West was on Clubhouse, and I don't want to go through the whole thing because it has nothing to do with Kanye West. I want to actually talk to my people a little bit of you.

Yeah, talk to you people. Kanye West was on Clubhouse. He said this about Rosa Parks. It just looks to me. I just put that as a proposal. Everybody knows Obama and that from Chicago. He's only in the Senate, like a half a term. They know they plan that all the way, you know what I'm saying?

Because in 1948, all of these movements, I know Wolf's going to be mad at me. But all of these heroes, man, is only one. That's Jesus Christ. You're going to find out something about MLK, some about JFK, something about Moutham, something about Rosa Parks. We know Rosa Parks is a plant. We know all of these things, right?

And they use these media outlets to outrage. Outrage is an economy, the trauma economy, the trauma economy. Oh, you can cut them off. Okay, so I don't want to talk about any of what happened on clubhouse or why Ye was on clubhouse or anything, stuff like that. I just want to make sure that people understand the bullshit that was just, that was just spewed out. Okay, so

Rosa Parks was not a plant. I'll tell you the difference between, I guess, Rosa Parks and some other people. Rosa Parks had been working for the NWACP prior to what happened in Montgomery,

the bus driver of Rosa Parks bus. Man, I think his name was James Blake had a history of being particularly aggressive with black people. What happened on the bus was intentional. But that's because Rosa Parks, in her life, moved with intention. Rosa Parks and the people who wanted to shake up the system there in Montgomery, they had a purpose. and so everything that they did was with a purpose.

And their purpose was to make that community better for black people. So they moved with that purpose. They had tried to stage other boycotts or have other incidents that would bring people's eyes to what was going on down there. And it was purposeful. But because it was intentional doesn't mean that it wasn't powerful. Intention is power. the power is in the intention okay so there's a difference between someone

who runs around wherever he can be hurt and says a bunch of outlandish, outrageous sometimes contradictory things and a woman who dedicated her life to the betterment of her people sacrificed

because the entire time the the Montgomery bus boycott was going on. Yeah. Rosa Parks was jobless. Rosa Parks' husband had to leave his job. Okay, she sacrificed. Mm-hmm. She took less than, not just her,

but the black people in Montgomery, Alabama, got together intentionally, not for anyone to look at them, but to make a better society. Yeah. So anyone who's out there who's going to go read now, that what happened on the bus that day was part of an intention

by either Rosa Parks, the NAACP, whomever down there to call attention to the segregation of the buses in Montgomery. I don't want you to be fooled by what is starting to become the tactics and the wisdom of white supremacy

that just spew out of Yeh's mouth. What was happened down there was very purposeful. But it wasn't purposeful for any trauma economy it wasn't purposeful so that people would have any sympathy for black people.

It was purposeful so that black people did not have to be second-class citizens on the buses of Montgomery, Alabama. And black people did that for themselves. After she refused

to give up her seat for a white man, black people came together and said, we will not ride the bus. In that, bus boycott, they said that it would be successful if 60% of black people didn't ride the bus, that they could bring the infrastructure down there to its knees. That's not what happened. They got damn near 100%.

They got 100% of black people to stop riding the buses in Montgomery for over a year, crippled them economically. And after that, you saw change. And that was done by some of the most brilliant. some of the most brave, some of the most enterprising people, Americans in history, black, white, red, or green.

So when you go read something and you read about the fact that the Montgomery bus boycott and what Rosa Parks did was on purpose and it wasn't an accident that she didn't give up her seat, I want you to be more proud and more indebted

and more excited about what people were willing to do for you. And I just want to make sure it's nothing to do. I'm not going to go wax poetic about this guy. I'm just going to tell you that it's important that we understand the sacrifices that were made and the people who are just talking. That's great. Did you hear the New R. Kelly? Come on, man.

Can I be honest with you? You were curious. You were curious. I didn't. Okay. I didn't. I didn't listen to. one note.

What are you going to ask me? You read the lyrics? I didn't listen to one note. I wasn't curious. No, excuse me. I didn't listen to one note. I can't say I wasn't curious. Of course you were curious.

I was curious too. I can't say, especially with the title. I can't say I wasn't curious. I was curious and I made it like a whole thing band. Don't listen to it. Of course you were curious. You guys, the name of the album was I admit it. Yeah.

Talk about a draw. I too wanted to listen. Now, we can't because it's been pulled. Been pulled now. From all streaming platforms, or at least from Spotify and iTunes. Good job, Spotify for doing the right thing. How tough would it have been for us to do the podcast or Spotify would have left it up?

We'd have to call them out. We'd have to call them out. You'd call them out. Yo, you see, that's the issue. See, that's why we can't be corporate, man. We got to be, you know. As we sit in our Spotify studios, we can't be corporate. We would have had to call them out.

And then they'd have been like, yo, we listen to what you say. You know what I mean? Because I imagine the Spotify brass being like white people with cool glasses. You know what I mean? You know what I'm talking about? What they look like? Yeah. Like white people with cool glasses.

You know how that is? Because you can go and do you know what I'm saying? White people with cool glasses? Like they got nice. I know exactly what you. you're talking about. The clear glasses. The clear glasses.

You know what I mean? They got cool glasses. And because you feel like they're good at making you feel like they understand what you're saying. But then you leave and that should still be up. Well, listen, people pointed out the fact that, I mean, there's neo-Nazi music on these platforms. Bands that talk about this, that kind of stuff and put that rhetoric out there. Yeah. And they're not pulled.

Well, you feel like the line is. Because people say the same thing about Amazon and the Kairi documentary. Right. But what's the line between, like, not censoring and, like, having problematic things out into the ether and protecting people from things like... This is clearly not. I mean, especially with the title, I admit it. From a convicted sex trafficker. Correct.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, this is clearly a line that needs to be drawn. Do you draw the line at, like, crime? Like, if you were a convicted rapist or a convicted pedophile, a convicted murderer. Because, isn't there... How do we get this far? Isn't that the son of Sam law that says that you can't even like make money off of your crimes if you are in jail?

Isn't that the son of Sam law? Like if you're guilty? If you're in jail, yeah. If you're found guilty of a crime you're in jail, you can't make money off of that by writing the book or making a movie about yourself. But don't people do that in prison? I don't think, I don't know if that's just a statement. They're not making the money. Yeah, I mean, you can't write your own book and I don't know.

Didn't Dommar get stuff written and made about him while he... He got stuff written and made about him. But, I mean, his father wrote a book, and the book kind of flopped. But, I mean, you know, Charles Manson wrote a book, Helter Skelter. I'm not sure. That might just be in New York. We'll look into that for the next podcast. I'm not sure.

That's interesting. But how did our Kelly get this far? That was my question. Coordinated from prison. How? A cell phone. How? We can't be acting like you just got cell?

So he was just sitting in there singing in his cell on his cell. his cell phone and nobody noticed. No, they was down with that shit. What you mean? Who was down? I mean, clearly he had help, but I'm just saying. Do you know what the people in prison do? Making a record is by fault, is the least of things you can get away with in jail.

I'm just saying that's a very out loud thing. Yeah, they made whole rock videos in there in jail. They got all kinds of stuff. They got a whole economy in there. How many people, how many of your people locked down right now? My people? Yeah, how many of your people locked down?

I don't think anybody. He's locked down right now. I mean... Maybe you know. Have you been to a lot of prisons to visit people inside the prison? No, not for people I know, only for the work I used to do. So I used to have to go when my civil cases would cross over. Actually, what am I saying?

When I was in Milwaukee, my third year, I worked as a public defender. So I would do... I would go to jail, like the county jail, to do stuff. So I visited a lot of jails. That's why I know that people can do a lot of stuff there in the jails. I have one friend who did a lot. I visit a lot of prisons. Visit Angola.

Visit Hunts. I visit Cochran. I visit all of these different prisons where my uncles have been locked up. Shout out to all my uncles. Rest and peace, my Uncle Mark. And the wackest thing about going to visit a prison was that you get maybe like, and it was different. Like some places you would go and you'd be able to sit at a table because I could go like get my uncle Mark a hug when he was locked up.

I could go, like, sit at a table with him. And then some places you would go and they would be behind a glass. Yeah. So it just depends, right? But, like, it took all day. Like, you would get there at a certain time, they would be, you'd get there and you drive up, you would park. And then you would park and you'd weigh on this little shuttle.

You weigh on this little shuttle, the little shuttle will take you to a little building. You fill out more paperwork in the little building, right? You're filling out paperwork. You're doing that. You're waiting in a little building. You're waiting in a little building. You're waiting in a little building.

You get in that little building. And then they shut, then they take you to another place. And when they take you to that place, now you're waiting to actually see your loved one. That might take 45 minutes to an hour. So you didn't got up. You didn't drove out there. Prisons don't be like around the corner. No, no.

No. So you didn't drove. You didn't drove out there. right then after you then drove out there you then you then got into the little thing right you then go to the other place they didn't put you through all of this stuff looked at all of your shit then you go to the other place now you wait for him by time you get to see your uncle you really four or five hours deep into whatever journey this is to be able to say what's up right the only thing that keeps you from acting a fool is your grandmother because like whenever you go to do these

visits is always like my grandma looking at one of her sons or either either my maternal grandmothers, both my maternal grandmothers, but either on my mama's side or excuse me, no, I said it right. Either my maternal grandmother or my paternal grandmother, they're waiting to see one of their sons. And they, they don't give a fuck. They would cross the hot desert and the sea to be able to see him. But me, especially early on, it was cartoons on. And I'm like, yo, man, how long this shit gonna take? You know, and then you get there, you get a cool hour, it's over. You get an hour, but they tell you about all kinds of stuff that they're doing.

My Uncle Mark told me about this special dessert that he could make in prison. He would take like a, because I would go to the vending machine and I would be able to get some cookies. But I could also get him some cookies as well. You know what I mean? and he would say that he would take the cookies and like smash the cookies up and submerge them in water

and take the cookies and mix other things with them. They had like a special dessert that they could make in prison. And it was like, you're laughing. I'm not laughing. But like they, I'm telling somebody tell me about this.

Somebody tell me about this prison dessert that they have. It's like a little, they make a little cookie. Like a little cookie mold cake. And they put different stuff in it or something. But he was telling me, so, you know, they can do stuff in prison. I know, I got people right now that's locked down that they call me on their cell phones. Now, that I used to have with friends.

Yeah, they called me on their cell phones. But still, this shouldn't have happened. Glad, glad they took it down. Now, it should be known that he wasn't admitting that he did anything in regards to what he's been found, what he's been convicted for. It was that he admitted that he dropped out of school. He admitted that he didn't go to church. Yeah.

He maintains his innocence. He had a couple of tracks on there called Freaky Sensation. Like, we don't want it. Talk about not being self-aw. We don't want it. We don't want it. Kelly got a chill, man. Kelly got a chill.

All right. The album was an unofficial release, they say. But it's been pulled down from everything right now. All right. We are going to take a break, but on the other side is break. We're going to talk to Kelvin Davis, plus size model. Plus size male model. I need fashion tips.

Kelvin's coming through with the tips. We're going to talk about what it means to be plus size, what it means to be body positive and body healthy. Those two things coincide. Okay, so people say sometimes, well, you can't be both. Well, we'll see. Kelvin will tell us. That's on the other side of his break on higher learning.

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Right now, the big guys, we're in style. We have one of the first big and tall style influencers and the first black big and tall model for Gap and Target, Kelvin Davis. Yes. Thank you for having me. No problem. Kelvin, you're the creator and founder of notoriously dapper, body positive style fashion blog and style guide. You were nominated for an image award for this. Yes, I was. Yes, sir.

I'm going to ask you a question, Kelvin. Yeah, what's up? And I don't want to start the podcast off on a very down note, but I want to ask you something. Over the last couple of years since I'd say 2020, I've gained 55 pounds. Okay. I've gone from being pretty sveled to shopping at the military supply store. Okay. Okay.

If a guy was coming to you, you, someone who seems to be so body positive, somebody that's still fashionable and stylish, even though you're a bigger guy. And they were struggling with being able to care about their clothes, care about the way that they look, because they're not quite happy with their body. What would you say to a person like that? The first thing I would say to them is to try to find a confidence in something other than just what their body looks like.

I try to tell people that if you can find confidence in your ability to, let's say, like, do something. Like, let's say you're really good at art or you're really good at braiding hair or you're really good at, you know, architecture, like anything, right? So it's about finding confidence inside of what you can do and the understanding that that would not be possible if it wasn't for your body, right? So then the second layer is to understand that this is the body that I am in, this is my vessel, this is what gets me. going every day. This is what helps me create the things that I do. This is what helps me live, take care of my mom, whatever. You know what I mean? So people have to understand that your body is more than what it just looks like. It's about the things that your body can do for you. Like that. Kelvin, for those who are listening who may aspire to be model, big and tall model,

I'm curious as to how you got into this industry and maybe what advice would you have for someone who's looking to break down those doors and get in as well. Yeah, of course. So I started in a much more untraditional way because you know you hear about all these stories about models getting scouted on like trains and I don't know, like fucking like walking down the street.

Am I allowed to curse in the pocket? Yeah, yeah. God damn it, let's go. All right, fuck. Get that fucking filth out of your soul, Kelvin. Let's do it. they're like, you know, like fucking like walking down the street. They're like, you're so beautiful.

Like, have you ever thought about being a model? You know, it wasn't that kind of like fairy tale thing that most people that I've modeled with have encountered. Mine was very untraditional. You know, I started this blog. I started it when I was a middle school art teacher as well. So the blog was kind of a liaison from what I was doing in the classroom and what I was doing in real life, which was teaching these young black boys.

how to be gentlemen, how to have manners, how to have style, and how to be confident, right? So that led to, you know, people just being, you know, curious if body positivity existed for men. And, you know, SEO was my best friend at this time because whenever people were type in male body positivity, the first hit that would come up was my blog because I was the only male body positivity blog. So just based off of like public curiosity, I became. like this, you know, Superman of like body positivity for men. And that's what led me into being all the modeling and influencing and,

you know, authoring and all those kind of things. Let's, let's have a conversation here. Let's talk about the intersection of body positivity and health. Oh, yes. Let's talk about it. Please, Lord.

Let's do this. Okay. Let's do it. Because I work out every single day. I've been hitting the weights hard. I'm getting strong. I've been doing squats, all different types of squats. I'm doing my thing, right?

Yeah. And I'm finding that getting a little older, I need to strengthen different parts of my body. It's a huge basketball player, boxer, all of those things. So I'm trying to make sure my body stays strong. And at the same time, obviously, I want to lose some weight. There's a conversation about whether or not you can be healthy at a bigger size.

So there are people that believe that body positivity cuts against health and longevity. And particularly in the black community, there's a conversation around whether or not people like Lizzo, like yourself, are promoting what some people would say are unhealthy lifestyles

and unhealthy body sizes. I'm sure you must hear that. Yes. What is your response to that? My response to that is, especially with the Lizzo, comment because I know a lot of people that are nowhere near the size of Lizzo and they can do half the things that Lizzo do. Like this girl can dance, play the flute and all these things

on stage and without getting winded. I know girls that are half her size or men that even have her size that can't even walk up a hill without getting winded, right? So I think there is this like gray area between body positivity and obesity that people seem to intersect. I feel like a lot of people think that body positivity is a bunch of like fat and obese people basically saying, I can be fat and still be happy. Yes, that's what they're saying. By the same time, body positivity is for everybody, every size, every race, every gender, every sex, right? So I tell everybody, it doesn't matter if you're skinny, if you're big, you can be body positive. Because the simple fact is that body positivity is just the fact that you love your body as it.

is and you're not feeding into what the societal standards of beauty is to try to fit some something right i read this article the other day on uh gq that man are like getting their fucking legs broken to be three to six inches taller yeah have you heard about this i have sadly yes it's crazy like so for me it's like for even for that it's like dude you don't need to get your legs broken i mean to be like three to five inches taller to feel good about it about yourself right It's about like, you know, you can be happy with the way that you are without going to the extreme of getting like BBLs, LIPO or all these other things, right? Like if you are unhappy with your body, that's one thing for you to make a change. If you're unhealthy, your doctor tells you you need to make a change.

Like for me, last year, I got diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, right? So I had to make a choice. I have two kids I have to live for, right? So I'm like, I have to make a choice in order to lose weight and eat better in order for me to live a healthier life. But that doesn't mean I'm no longer a body positive because how can I be body positive from the grave, right? If I just die from not taking care of myself, I'm having type 2 dire beities. Yeah. You continue to break modeling standards and you push the fashion industry to be more inclusive.

How far do we still have to go? Like, what would you like to see changed when it comes to body positivity or inclusivity in the fashion industry? I mean, I know we're seeing more plus-size models on the runway. Fenty has now has the plus-s. Fenty mail. Fenty mail, big plus size. We're seeing it, but I feel like it's slow. So what would you like to see to push the fashion industry to do?

more. I would like to see more people of color across the board, period. I feel like Fenty and Rihanna are like the only brand that really, really like, encompasses people of color. And I feel like other brands, they do body positivity, but they do it. And we all know it's true. So whoever listens, man, they can be like, no, it's not true. You know it's fucking true.

They always do the curvy white chick. And they're like, oh, body positivity. like I'd hate the fact that like that's become the face of body positivity, especially on Instagram, people that have like this hourglass shape with like a fat ass and da-da-da-da. And it's like, that's the face of like body positivity. And it's like that's okay. That's cool and everything.

But at the same time, I would love to see more men and women of color across the board when it comes to body positivity. Because the first thing that I think of when it comes to body positivity. comes to body positivity is race, right? Like, the biggest thing about my body is my skin teller. The first thing people notice is that I'm black and then they notice that I'm big, right? So it's like being body positive, like for me, you can't be racist and be body positive. Like, those shit can't go hand in hand.

Like, how can you be positive about your body and, you know, spread a body positive positivity, but then be like, you know, say some racist like fuck shit. what um last question for me like what should i wear man i mean just tell me you know like what do i need to wear you because i you know i get i'm getting into my give me some give me some you know who yeah give me a little you know what i'm saying you know what i'm saying give me a little you know drop it a little i want to be able to come in this bitch is what the fuck give me some of that Winston duke shit you know what i'm saying you know what I'm saying like tell me tell me what to because I shopped a specific way before, but tell me what to wear now because I'm going to be,

I'm going to be, I'm going to have to be body positive for probably at least, at least four or five more months. So you should always be. So tell me, what do I need to wear? Do you like color? Not really. Okay. Okay.

Oh, you like, nah, no. Well, do you like to dress like kind of like casual? Like, do you just like, you know, like grays and blacks? I like to dress. I like to dress very utilitarian. simple but smooth you know I like to project okay

I like when you see me I like to project power and what I'm wearing you know what I mean I like yeah I like colors that make me look like I'm the man you know it's like hey it's me

that way I can throw you off and disarm you with how jolly I am I bet yeah I would get five t-shirts from Lulu Lemon they're called like the fundamental

t-cert and you can work out and I'm in where I'm out and about right I have three gray ones and two black ones and one white one that I wear all of the time. I usually wear like a shirt over it, like a black, like a colored shirt or like a shacket, is what they call them. Oh, I love a shacket. Yeah, right?

Because it's like so versatile, right? And then I would usually get some kind of jeans. So I personally have found that Madewell has really good genes, especially for me. in because they have the size, like the sizing is like incredible there. Like they have athletic taper. They have this taper. So if you're like a bigger guy that's meteor in the thighs, you can find stuff that fits in the thighs, but still gives you that tapered look at the bottom, right?

So I would suggest all guys go to Made Well to get jeans. And this ain't no plug because I buy my jeans from Madewell, but they don't get me shit. Calvin, let everybody know what you're doing next, where they can find you, follow you, and I need to know where you got that hat from. Did you get that specially made? I did, you know. So if you look at it, you can see that it has my birthday here.

It says 9, 10, 87. So it has the cards here. And then has like a little Virgo pen. And then I'm really into dinosaurs, has butterflies on it. I love it. Thank you. Thank you.

I got it from a guy in Nashville called Travis Austin, and he makes custom hats. He basically were like designed it with you and all that stuff and, you know, and yeah, and he can do any color. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Okay. Where can everybody find you?

They can find me on Instagram at Kelvin Davis. Facebook at Notorsi Dapper. Twitter at Notorsi Dapper as well. And my blog is NotorsiDeper.com. and can't forget about my book, no torsidap, how to be a modern-day gentleman with manner-style and body confidence. You know, it's a really good book, especially for young black men.

You need to read it and understand how to be who you are in this world so nobody else can take advantage of your own masculinity. Yes. Absolutely. My man, Kelvin Davis, we look forward to having you back, brother. We're going to do a style check-in because I'm going to wear some outfits and then I'm going to see what you think about him. We're going to push you outside of your comfort zone.

Add a little color, add a shacket here. Maybe get you one of these hats. You look at a hat. You should do it. I got a peek on baby. Baby steps. I think you would look really good in purple, man. Bet.

Purple? Like purple. A royalty color. Yeah. Color of royal. Royalty. Yeah. I can see you in like a purple cycle bunny polo.

Okay. I'm with them. Purple? I'll try some. I'll try some purple. I'll try some purple, Kelvin. We're going to... 20203 is the year of me blossoming into a fashionista.

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I love that you asked him for some fashion tips. And I hope that he put, that I hope that y'all connects and he pushes you out as your comfort zone. It was great. I hope he keeps pushing. What? Hope he keeps pushing the fashion industry. To be more inclusive. Tori Lane's.

The trial has begun. The trial has begun. I didn't even realize the trial was happening, though. I... It kept getting postponed, postponed. And now, bam, we're here. I'm super excited about the trial. I'm actually shocked we didn't cover this.

We didn't go down and cover this. I mean go down and cover it. Extra goes. I was in a courtroom with A. Saba Rocky. Extra. Oh, I'm not... I thought you meant.

me go down and cover this for higher learning. No. I was in a courtroom like this. Do you know what's crazy about this trial? What? So we're going to cover the trial and by the time we get back on Friday, there'll be more stuff that'll be coming out. The opening statements are happening Monday. Tori Lang's faces more than 22 years in prison if he's convicted on all felony, of the felony counts he is charged with.

He has recently waived his right to a jury child on a newly added felony of discharge of a firearm with gross negligence. He waived his right to a jury trial? That means Judge David Hereford will decide that case alone. Tell people what that means. Well, I mean, it just means that, you know, 12 jurors won't be deciding the case.

It's all up on the judge. The judge has the sole power. the decision making in this case. It's rare that you see that. Why would one do that? I mean, he probably doesn't think he can get a fair trial of his jurors. I mean, this case is a very popular case. Megan the Stalian is loved.

And as so many people know so much about this, you know, the court of public opinion has been on it. And so I think that his attorneys are probably like, listen, you need someone who has sworn, you know, to the court, to their office, that they're going to be fair and just. not biased in any way. So I think this team was like, listen, let's take our chances with the judge.

Interesting. Rather than, like, juries are tough. Interesting. So according to different and various outlets, both Toraylaines and Kelsey Nicole are confirmed to have tested positive for gunshot residue. So there's some talk about being able to verify that, but according to reports, they've both tested positive for gunshot residue. Kelsey, here.

who is Megan's friend, Kelsey Harris, Kelsey Nicole. She plans to testify, according to prosecutors that she saw Torrey Lanes shoot Megan the Stallion. She's got to. Megan the Stallion, from what I understand, also plans to testify that she saw Tori Lanes shoot her. Yeah. Now, with both of them having gunshot residue on them, in this case, it seems as if there's an either or there because from what I understand,

Tori Lanes's people are going to say. Are going to say that Kelsey was the shooter. Yeah. Kelsey is going to say that Tori Lanes was the shooter. Yeah. I want you to tell us from your illegal eagle, Donnie. I want you to tell us, with everything that we know now,

there's going to be so many facts coming out about this, how does this look for Megan v. Tori Lanes? Well, here's going to be the hard part. reasonable doubt, right? That's the standard here. All the defense has to do is create some type of doubt. And with there being gun residue

also on Kelsey Harris's hand, it leaves the door open to say maybe she did the shooting. Like they're going to, I don't, I don't know the science behind gun residue. If I had a, if I had my, if I had a gun right now, I'm not shot.

Would I be close enough to you for it to be on the head? There'd be GSR on you right now. Okay. So that, if that being explained to, well, I was going to say a jury, to the judge.

Especially we're in a car, maybe in this room, but if we're in a car enclosed and I'm shooting, you'd have a gunshot residue on it. And it's not on Megan. No, Megan was outside of the car. Oh, she's outside of the car.

So because Megan's outside of the car, it's not going to be a gunshot residue on her. No, so I think once that's explained, then that can lead to the fact that he's two people. testify. It's just going to come down to their word. Two people testifying how believable are they, it's with the judge, not the jury. So I, but it can create doubt. Actually, I'm sure that'd be, I mean, Megan was shot, so she's the need me, got. But on our, I'm assuming it's

on their hand. I mean, in terms of, I mean, being, it being on your hand is like, where it is, I'm sure will be important. Yeah. But if that's the case, then you really could never prove a shooter that's standing in the vicinity of another shooter. You know what I mean? So it's got to be where the gun residue is. What I'm saying in this case is, if you have an eyewitness, they either have to prove that Kelsey is believable. That's what I'm saying. Or they have to prove in some way.

Here's the thing. But if they can create enough doubt because they're going to testify that she was the shooter. And I don't know what else is going to come with that. They can't just, I'm sure that defense team is not going to stay in court and say, Torrey Lane's going to take the stand and say, well, actually, she was the shooter. They're going to offer more to that, whether it's circumstantial or not.

So it'll be up to the judge to decide who is more believable. But this, the residue does create some reasonable doubt, which is all they need. You know what the most interesting thing about this to me is? What? Right now, this looks bad for Torrey Lanes. You know, I'm not a legal eagle as you are and I'm not sure what's going to happen and how this all is going to shake out. But I've been talking to people about this.

This, the outcome of the case I thought would be incredibly consequential in terms of the way people view this entire saga, this opera and what it's been. But I don't think that it will be now. I don't think that the decision in this matters. To the public. Two parts of the public. if it turns out that Torrey Lanes doesn't get convicted

for shooting Meg the stallion the people who believe Meg won't stop believing it. Right, I'm one of them. Right, won't stop believing it, right? If it turns out that Tori Lanes is convicted for shooting Meg the stallion, the guys who

particularly men who support Torrey Lanes won't change that I was having a conversation with a friend of mine that's like I don't understand with all this evidence because if you read the transcripts and all the discovery all of this stuff that's going to come out in the trial was in there

and it looked bad for him if you look at all it is right but like why was he so demonstrative about his innocence and why was he so why did he sort of create and weave this sort of public narrative

the last couple of years? I think it was to grab a portion of people with whatever his story was and draw them to his side no matter what happened. I agree. What's to say, hey,

this is a black man versus black woman issue to sort of engender this dissension between black women and black men. and to do this all to sort of create a vacuum where it doesn't really matter like what's going on. Sure. To carve out this sort of space to where there's really nothing you can't say.

And I think to a large degree, Tori Lane's has been successful in drawing so many people to believe that he in some way is being treated unfairly or that she in some way represents the black woman that is, always trying to overshadow deep power and emasculate the black man that it doesn't really matter what happens that a lot of people's minds like won't be changed. I agree. I think that, I mean, if you've been defending Tory this long, you're going to stand beside him no matter what happens.

You're just going to choose to not agree with or agree with whatever the court decides. Just like I said, he can be found not guilty. I'm still going to believe he shot her. I mean, I'm one of... Is that problematic? Is it problematic that... Is it problematic that if there's a whole trial and Torrey Lanes... Sure.

And Torrey Lanes is exonerated, not exonerated, because a trial doesn't necessarily exonerate. She just says, hey, if he's found not guilty in a trial, that you still won't believe it. Is that a problem? Of course it's a problem. Because, I mean, according to the court, even though we've seen the court be wrong... at times. He has found, he went through the process, and the process said that he was not guilty.

But that doesn't mean that he's innocent. It means that they didn't have enough to prove for him to be guilty. That's how I am looking at it. But you're right. He worked this to his benefit. And there was no, I mean, whether he, you know, only he, those people in the car will know the truth. If he knew that the outcome was always going to be that he was going to go to a trial,

he was going to be found guilty. At least he did as much as he could in the last couple of years to try to turn people towards him to the point where they won't turn back. Looking at all the evidence, I think it's pretty clear that Tori Lay's is the shooter here. But you have to let the trial play out, in my opinion. Are you worried about living in the world where an accusation is a conviction? Because if you say right now that, let me. ask you this more to the point. Why

do you believe no matter what happens in the trial that Tori shot Meg? What is it? Well, because of alone what you just laid out. Okay. Right? I've listened to her talk. It doesn't make sense

adding it up and I'm just looking at the pieces of evidence that have come out to me it is very obvious that he shot her. So whether you know people fumble like drop the ball all the time when it kind of like the prosecution might not put on the best case and the defense may put on a better case. And let's say, I was just about saying, like the OJ trial, they've played to the emotions of the jury and the people on it and the court of public opinion more than they tried that case in that courtroom.

And it worked. So it's not always, like people can manipulate the system. So for me, based on what I know to this point, it is very obvious that he pulled the trigger. Do I have to say allegedly? I don't know. I don't know if I say that. But if we do, allegedly. It's very obvious.

But, you know, that doesn't, if he's found not guilty, I can't sit here. I can say I have my opinion, but at the end of the day, he was found not guilty. Right? It's the same thing people do to Michael. So, so let me ask you this. Last question here. So it's not just that she said that she was shot. It was that she said that she was shot.

And from what you've seen of the case, the facts bear out that she was shot. Okay. I mean, I agree with that. Yeah, but they really do. And I think people who don't want to accept that are just reading headlines, maybe just reading some of the discourse on social media, but they're not paying attention to actually what's coming out. So I would encourage everybody to pay attention to the information that's coming out of this trial.

Sounds like there's not a camera in the courtroom because I feel like we would have known that at this point. So, you know, pay attention to the pieces, the reports that are coming out. I work out with Shannon Sharp. Mm-hmm. He's... Donnie. Unfathomably strong. Okay?

He's like, when I say work out with him, that's a little misleading. And I work out in the same gym where he works out. Donnie. And, uh, whatever. And, miss, I'm on the television show. Who is this is you? My name is Rachel. Someone please bring something to my trailer.

It's me, Rachel. I demand right now to have a honey-baked ham in my trailer. I love pork. I love a honey-baked ham. I know you do. I know you do. I could just see you with a fork and a knife and a big hunk of pig. I'm so excited for the holidays.

sugar on it. Who y'all? Hey man, we got to stop with this honey-bake-hand bullshit. Who eats a big, a big, a hunk of pork? Well, you act like I just take a bite out of the whole thing.

It's just a, just take a big hunk of pork and dipping in sugar. That's what you do. So a hunk of pork and sugar. That's what you get. I have slices. You have slices.

With a little, with a little pineapple. They put the pineapple. No, we don't do the pineapple. They put, am I bullshit about that? Some people prepare. it that way. We don't.

Yeah, prepare it that way. No, we don't prepare. We don't prepare. We'll prepare our having that way. Okay, so, Shannon Sharp, three-time Super Bowl champion. NFL Hall of Famer has to defend himself against Skip Bayless. Look, people get mad at Skip about a great many things. This is the most disrespectful thing Skip has ever done on TV. It really was.

Play it. Still playing at a high level at 45 when you had to see. stop at 35. That's what you do. That's the point. That's what you do. Every time somebody, every time I call something to the question, I'm jealous. No. I did what I did. I never said you were jealous of Baker Mayfield. I did what I did. You make it seem like I was a bomb. I'm in the effing hall of fame. Okay. So what? So what? He's way better than you were. I'm better than you. I got to see what you do. You take personal shots. No, I don't. I don't take personal shots. You started it. Time about. You would take a personal

shot at me. I didn't take a person. Wait a minute. What are you talking about? You would take a personal glass is back on. Can I finish?

You're willing to take a personal shot at me to say this man is better than me because I say he's playing bad this year? Well, because you just go ahead. You disrespect him.

It's just so. You know what? It's beneath your dignity. You will just support him. No. Well, I'll support him over anybody because he's the greatest player ever

played your game and it's by far. Have it. Take off. Okay. I'm going to have it. Can I say something? Please.

I got to be real about this. There's something troubling about Skip Bayless. And let me tell you what it is. Donnie, I want you to find me a piece of video slash audio between Jalen Rose and Skip Bayliss from around 2010 or 2011. When Jalen Rose and Skip Baylis were on. Yeah. ESPN first take

and they're on first take and Skip Bayless comes at Jalen Rose's career and Jalen Rose responds. I want you to bring that video up. Okay? I want you to talk about that. I don't mean you can jack up threes. What were you? What were you?

What were you? Did you have his 1.4 points as a senior In high school? Yeah, I did. Okay. So all of that Pistol P stuff, water Pistol P. Jr. Okay.

We'll address that later. Okay. Don't ignore that. He goes on to say, did you play JV as a junior? Yeah. Okay. So what people don't know about that is that back and forth between Jalen Rose and Skip Bayliss, where Jalen Rose took it upon himself to question Skip Bayliss's athletic

passed because he had said that he was like pistol pete. He was too pistol pete. And that's the reason why he didn't go on to become this great basketball player. He had to learn how to play within the offense, but he was too dope a score for a coach to want him to play, which of course makes a lot of sense. That one back and forth right there led to a week-long salvo

of every single show that first take was doing being about the relationship between the commentator and an athlete. They then brought Stephen A. Smith on to talk about,

to mediate, if you will, between Jalen Rose and Skip Bayliss. There was then conversations with Marcellus Wiley later on that week, Ryan Clark later on that week, where they continued to talk about what the line is, all because Skip Bayliss

had his feelings hurt because someone on Twitter, actually dug up Skip Bayliss's high school stats, and showed that Skip Bayliss was a scrub in high school. Big deal. Okay? There is a troubling amount of disrespect that Skip Bayliss shows black athletes in particular. And it seems to me that there is no station of black athlete that has done enough or achieved enough for Skip Bayliss. not to debase them, dehumanize them,

and treat them like an idiot on TV. I want to think about this. Skip Bayliss attacks LeBron James Jr. Oh. He attacks Brony James, who hasn't even gotten the opportunity to write his legacy yet.

Yeah. Skip Baylis attacks Hall of Famer, Terrell Owens, who has, whatever you say about T.O. off the field, has nothing to, approve on the football field. Comes at Jalen Rose, talking to him about his career.

Jalen Rose played 16, 17 years in the league, made all kinds of crazy money, was a great player. Had years where he averaged 20 points, nobody can call Jalen Rose a scrub. Skip Bayliss comes at Russell Westbrook. Look, I get it. Most of these sports have a majority black players, so there are a lot more black players to be critical of. but it doesn't seem as if there's anything that a black player can do to be outside of the ire of Skip Bayless.

Shannon Sharp is a fucking dog. A number one, A number one, minted one one of the best ever at his position. Shannon Sharp wasn't blowing up teams off the field. Shan Sharp was a model citizen on and off the field who would catch the ball, who would block, who would find a way to be productive in whatever offense you would put him in, the consummate team player,

the consummate hard worker, all of those things. But Skip Bayliss is still on TV telling this black man to put his fucking glasses back on. I'm not saying it, but I'm saying this. At some point, Skip Bayliss got to get off. off a nigger dick.

I'm just going to be real. I'm serious. And all of the other stuff, I get it. These guys aren't perfect. Like, you, like, when I say they're not perfect, their careers aren't perfect. But Tom Brady is whack right now. And Shannon Sharp has done more than enough,

more than enough, more than enough to be able to give his opinion on his fucking television show about Tom Brady. in the sport he played in. The sport that he played in for years without being attacked. Yeah. By fucking Skip Bayliss. He, Skip Bayliss.

Oh, Shannon Sharp. Huge. Huge. Huge. But like, for various reasons, because it's one thing if you say, oh, Skip Bayliss is this personality. And he just likes to say things that get people riled up. So people are talking on social media or other shows. But when there's a, a package.

You got to let that narrative go and you got to start paying attention to what's actually happening. And that exchange is so disrespectful. One, because it discredits who Shannon Sharp is as a man. It discredits who he is as an athlete. Absolutely. And it discredits who he is as his colleague. You guys share the stage on this show together. It is your show.

And because you didn't like what he was saying about one of your favorite players, you start hitting below the belt and using an. illogical argument just because Shannon Sharp was saying Tom Brady had a bad performance in this game. Not that he is a bad player, not even that he's particularly having the worst season. He specifically talked about his performance in this game and you couldn't match that. So instead, you tried to strip him down with your words and basically try to emasculate him. And it was, and I, like, kudos to Shannon Sharp for, because you could see he was about to lose it and the only thing he lost were his glasses in that argument, but I don't know how he

kept it together. And the way that Skip Bayless was yelling at him like he was a boy, if I'm Shannon Sharp, I'm taking the rest of the week off. I got to talk to the higher ups at this point. Listen, just so people know, three-time Super Bowl champ, four-time, first team all pro. You guys don't know what that means. That means four times in his career. Shannon Sharp was the very best tight-in in his league. Second team all-pro 1995. So we're talking about five, five

all-pro teams, eight Pro Bowls, NFL 1990s all-decade team, Denver Broncos Ring of Fame, Denver Broncos 50th anniversary team, NFL record for most receiving yards in a game by a tight-in

that's 214 yards. Shannon Sharp, a dog. A an absolute dog a dog no other way to put it Skip Bayliss out of his mind Very much so

Skip Bayless Skip Bayless off that yak I need to hear I'm gonna be real Skip Bayless We need to hear I apologize Yeah

to Shannon Sharp Come out of Skip Bayless's mouth So we won't So then what because he's not going to apologize. I'd be shot if he apologizes. So now what? Let me see.

Now we get to get on his ass. Get on his motherfucking ass. Let's get Bayless. All right. Breaking news, P-22 has been captured safely. How do you feel, man? I feel great. I feel great, too, for all the other animals out here.

I'm glad that P-22 has been brought in safely. He's been captured safely. Okay? Now we get to figure out how we, uh, goddamn deal with, with P22. Okay.

What has to happen with P22? I'm glad. I'm glad that P22 is doing okay. Are you happy that P22 has been? The streets are safe. The streets are safe. You're so, why are you against animals, though? I'm not against animals.

I'm literally speaking on behalf of animals. You know what I'm saying? Like, why are you? He's not attacking me. I'm speaking on behalf of animals. So I'm not against animals, Van. I'm not against animals, Van. Speaking on the fallen chihuahuas.

No, you're, you're, here's the thing. God knows who else. Here's the thing about you. You're, you support the animals that you can control. That is so not true. That's definitely true. I don't only support, I. Give me another, give me another, you hate birds because they fly.

I hate birds. They hate birds. They're evil. I'm convinced, y'all. They fly out of your control. Have you ever looked at a bird in the eye? Huh? Have you ever just looked at a bird? I have.

Look at the beady little eyes. The claws. They're claws so they can, so give me an example of an animal that- I'm an attack by a burn. Give me an example of an animal that you love that you can't control. A horse. Nigger. They're wild horses.

Why in the fuck would you say that you can't control a horse? Wild horses. The entire, it's such a bad answer. Donnie, jump in. Is that not a terrible answer? It is. That's one of the most controllable animals. It's such a terrible.

I've been watching a lot of yellow stone, okay? terrible answer. They couldn't control all those horses. Fine. Let me find another one. Western civilization is partly based on the ability to control the horse. They're wild horses. They're wild horses until you throw a saddle on their back

and ride the motherfuckers until they... Okay, let me think. Think about an animal that can't be controlled that you like, a wild animal that you like. I'm kind of fond of bears. Okay. Okay, it's very hard to control a bear. I mean, you, when I say, and by the way, everybody's going to be, well, you can train a bear.

You don't want to try. You know, they don't really want to try to do elephants count. Elephants count. Elephants count. I mean, who can hate an elephant? Donnie, you like an elephant? Love elephants. Yes, big fans.

Jesus Christ. It's smart. Donnie. What the fuck is going on? How many times have you seen Dumbo, niggins? Like, Donnie. Honestly, not that many times. Don't talk to you about something.

Like, you're having a sports moment, bro. I am. I am. My teams are in it. Michigan, waiting for these playoffs to get started. Oh, Michigan. And then the Lions.

The Lions. Waiting for these playoffs to get started. Not a Lions. We are in the graphic. The Lions playing good, man. But they're like 7 and 7, right? They're on a streak. Six and seven.

Six and seven. The Lions beat the fucking Vikings yesterday. Well, I think the Vikings were a lot of hype. But I do, but I do. Detroit, listen, I had, I wanted. of your receivers on my fantasy before I got kicked out. You know what's crazy about the NFL is that LSU just continues the ball? I've seen so many LSU.

Did you just go watch them lose? Like LSU continues the ball. DJ Chalk Jr., LSU. Justin Jefferson, LSU. Oh, you mean in the league? Jamar Chase, LSU. Russell Gage, LSU. There's so many LSU receivers around the league that a Terrence Marshall.

I don't want to talk about sports. right now because of what's happening right now with Texas. What's happening with Texas? Chris Beard just got suspended. Is that the coach? And rightfully so, because the allegations of domestic violence, and there's a call of strangulation. Hold on, this is the coach of Texas.

We're number two? And they suspended them? Suspended them. Came out 911 call. The phone was up. I haven't heard the call, but they immediately went out there. it's accusations of strangulation and then my cousin just texted me

and said he's been suspended and rightfully so like what the fuck Chris Beard but you know I don't really want to talk about college sports right now you're ready for Vance very serious question of the week

Oh you go on okay let's go If you could have in the 2024 election Is this what you're going to ask my mom When my mom's here? Okay That's a different question down the line, it's probably appropriate.

If you could have a black female president in 2024 or $5 million in your personal account, which one would you choose? $5 million, just like that. And if anybody says anything different, you will lie. Only way I'm going to say yes to that is if I can confirm that certain things are going to get done for us, To see it happen, sure.

Is that worth $5 million by bank account right now? Not necessarily. I'm sorry. So between $5 million and a black female president, you would choose the $5 million. I might go a little lower. What's the... It's got to be millions.

It's got to be million. Okay, so right now, between, if it was a choice between a black female president and $500,000, would you take it? Tax-free? if it was between a black female president in 2024 and a half a million dollars tax free, would you take it? I'm taking the money.

I'm taking the money. I love y'all. I love being a black woman. It would be history. It would be a beautiful thing to see. But I'm going to take half a million. tax free. Donnie.

Freaking about five. Half a million dollars Black female president 2024. I'm easily going with the money because you're being broad. We don't know what black woman you're talking about.

It could be Tamika Hamilton. Okay. Okay. Okay. Wait a minute. I was even thinking of Stacey Abrams. Hey, but you know what? That's bullshit though. You know, you know, you know, what? what the spirit of the hypo is. Like you know, see, you know what I'm talking about. You know what the spirit of hypo.

Oh, by the way, Tamika Hamilton has reached out to me and asked to come on higher learning again. She didn't reach out to me? She didn't reach out to you. Hit me up, Tamika. You want to come on here. You guys want Tamika Hamilton back on the park? But for what?

Does she win? No, she lost, but she wants to talk more about what's going on with her. She wants to redeem her last performance. Do we think that we should bring Tamika Hamilton back from? It's all about redemption? Redemption. Save that question for her. All right.

I definitely will. Ashley, we brought the number down now, the new series question. Would you rather have $500,000 cash tax-free or black female president in 2024? I would take the money. You niggas ain't shit. I'm sorry, I can't confirm. Other than their very being in their presence and it being a historic moment, I'm sorry. I can't confirm what you will or won't do in office.

You niggas ain't shit, man. If there were a list of things that I could attach to that presidency, sure. Sure. So you're taking the president then? I'm assuming then. No. Don't try to have some female empowerment moment.

He's taking the money. Ain't nobody going to judge you. All right. Take things, caps off, but do not stop learning. We are the sellout crew here at I learned. I am Van Lathen, Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.