Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Bow Wow on His Internet Controversies and His Place in the Culture

Episode Date: February 3, 2021

Shad Moss, a.k.a. Bow Wow, joins Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay for the first Black History Month bonus episode to discuss his internet controversies, including his “concert” in Houston, and his place in hip-hop and Black culture. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Look, man, this guest we have coming to y'all now, actually, we need no introduction. When I say you need no introduction, I mean that we talk about like a, it got to be nearly a 20-year career at this point, longer. Yeah. Longer than that, huh? He said yes. Yeah. Yeah, if you count from the time that he first got popping, I remember I was in college.

That's how old I am. I was in college when came out and started doing this thing, was the whole deal, became a cultural phenomenon. And now he continues to keep the internet. talking every couple of weeks. Yeah, you. Yeah, you. Yeah, you.

Yeah, that's crazy. Higher learning. You guys, we got bow wow. Shad, Ma. With it. In the house today. Bro, so, first of all, how you doing, brother? How are you holding your head during this time, man?

How you doing? I'm good. I'm good, man, I'm, you know, I could. Man, blessed. I just say that I'm blessed. Bless, blessed. Last year was probably one of the, you know, of course, we was going through what we was all going through,

but personally for me was probably one of the best years I've had a long, long, long, long time. So the only thing I can say is I'm just blessed, man. I cannot complain. Just curiosity, what made last year so good for you? I think just the fact that I had time to, you know, sit down and reflect, had time to spend with my daughter, you know, just a lot. I think the things that I discovered about myself,

I'm sure a lot of other people discovered about themselves, too, during that time, We just had a lot of time on our heads, you know what I mean, to finally tell somebody like me who's always busy, who's always working and doing this, say, yo, there's nothing to do. Like, there's nothing to do? Like, that was crazy for me. And I'm like, okay, well, where can I put my time into it?

I wanted to learn Spanish. I didn't do that. But I was going to test him. I knew you was. So it was things like that that I was getting into. What else did I discover? Like, well, it's a lot of self-reflected, man. And I had a lot of time to do things that I always wanted to do, but I couldn't do them.

And, you know, thank God, you know, Georgia, we've been open since April last year. Florida, the same way. And, you know, I had a chance to, you know, take some trips. You know, once the things kind of, I wouldn't necessarily say calm down, but once, you know, I was in the house for like two months, I'm like, all right, this is it. I think I'll get a basket, go outside and live a little bit. So just getting able to do things that I've always wanted to do, but I just couldn't do it because of my schedule. it wouldn't permit it. So spending time with my boys, my kids, my mom, just stuff like that. Just the regular life you things that money can't buy, really,

you know, that's what made last year for me throughout all the nonsense of BS that we had to live through. It made it, it made it actual good. You also did The Mask Singer, too. That was a new thing. Did you record that last year or did it just air last year? Yeah, we did that last year. Actually, right before, or the pandemic hit. So when we did it, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like right there.

And then from Bass Singer, I just remember leaving set going straight to Louisville, yeah, Louisville, so we can kick off the Millennium Tour. And, you know, we got to, like, show number four, and then that's when the pandemic hit. I actually thought it was, like, some bull crap. I didn't know a lot. Like, I was on my tour bus,

and we was watching CNN, and I'm like, this is no different than anything else that we get coming across the news. This is going to be nothing. And then until they called and said, yo, the governor just said, you know, North Carolina, we shutting it down. They can't do the show tonight. While we're on our way into North Carolina.

And, you know, we was about to turn around. And they said, no, no, nope. The governor said they're going to let this be the last concert. And so we turned around and went and went straight there. But, yeah, that was like right neck and neck with each other. So right off of a Masked Singer, hop right into tour. Matt Singer was dope.

I'm actually still part of the family. I'm about to be on season two of, the podcast that I have, you know what I'm saying, with A Heart Radio and Fox and everybody that were doing the Masked podcast, I'm hosting that. And then I were back for season five and the Masked Singer coming in March. So, yeah, we're knocking it up. Now, when we were talking with your people to get this interview, they wanted to make

sure that we were going to, that there were going to be some positive things said. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. We wanted the interview to be positive, right? And I guess I'm asking this question First of all, we couldn't promise anything But what I guess I'm asking, do you feel like a lot of the talk around you These days is negative?

No. You don't. Right. No, I don't. I think, no, not negative. Because, you know, I'm not a bad person. I think when people come around me, they see I'm just a fun dude.

Like, you know, I get in trouble for fun. You know, I feel good. Like, you know, whether this, like, a little prime example, you know, the Houston situation. You know what I mean? Like, when they, like, I didn't really feel no effect from it because I'm like, I'm me. I'm living my life. Not saying, like, forget everybody. I'm living my life.

I'm bad. But no, I'm actually living just like we all are. I'm just living my life. And I'm like, I don't see what happened. Oh, okay, well, they would put it on me. Like, there was a lot of other celebrities there. I ain't going to say no names. But I'm like, damn, am I that important?

Like, y'all put the whole weekend on bail, and I understand why because, you know, a lot of times you've grown up in the business, a lot of things that's attached to me. I brought that on myself, so I could live with it. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, that's the type of person than I am. But like I said, I don't feel like it's negative. I feel like there's things that I've done with it might have been stupid or things that I've said that was off the wall. And it's just, man, if we can put this on bow, this story going to go further than if we put it on so-and-so that was in the club where this person that was also in the club. and I put that back.

And I felt like, damn, like, why I get the blame for this? But stuff like that, I just understand what comes with it. You know what I mean? Like, even when I had a yacht in Miami for New Year's, and everybody took me being on, like, the boat that actually comes with the yacht, because, you know, you're on the yachts, you know, you're on the yacht. He had your back. He had your back on that.

Did not say that? He did. He did. He did. He did. He said. I'm going to be real with you. I'm going to be real with you.

I'm going to be real with you. All that exposed to me was some people that had never been on vacation. before. That's all I'm saying. Because there's a boat that brings you to the other little boat. I said that. I think it was more like, why are you showing this boat? I think it was more, that's what that's what people were like. I think you did that on purpose, Bob.

Like, I think you show. I think you showed a smaller boat to trigger people to make them talk about it. I think you did that on purpose. Look, I'm telling V, if you around me, you'll know, like one of my boys is here, he'd be like, he's saying and said, like, now we'd really be living. Like, I battle.

even really be paying attention to the internet like that. Believe it or not, I don't. Like, my boys would tell me you're trending. I'd be like, I'll probably be playing the video game. I'm like, okay. So I really don't be caring. But people who know me, and this is like, I hate use the word stupid, but the internet just shows there's a lot of people that don't have sense. Like, I went live on my boat. Like, you get the, listen, when you charter a hundred footer, that that boat comes with that, right? You can't move a hundred foot. I have one of the biggest boats on South beach. Like, it was crazy. So, for For me, I had so much fun on a smaller boy.

I said, I want to ride on that. I felt like 007. Like, I was somewhere in Madrid, like, when I would have my suit on and everything. But for me, it was like, number one, it was a windy day that day. We couldn't take the yacht out. So the captain said, yo, we can, you know,

we can just take the jeskeys out and take out the boat. I said, cool, let's do it. Shots going back. We having fun. My manager was the person who filmed it. He was on top of the yacht. That's why you're seeing us, like, the video was shot from up above.

he was getting us pulling in and that's when I was talking to him and his camera. So that's his, he took the video and sent it to me. And I posted when I saw it, so this shit looked crazy. I was like, you just look crazy. You can curse. Okay, I was like, yo, this looked crazy. I said, I'm posting this.

I said, oh, we got the girls. We're going up. I'll post it. And everybody's like, oh, he's on a little boat. I'm like, y'all was on Instagram live for two days on the boat. I gave y'all a world tour of the yacht on live and it's on YouTube. I'm like,

I'm like, yo, I don't have time to be arguing people. People want to have some fun. So that's how I get down.

So no, I don't think, for me, it's all playful stuff. It's trolling stuff. I think, you know, when you talk about negative,

you know, negative is when you just hate, like, you know, negative is Trump. Negative is, you know what I mean? My stuff is just

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But in all seriousness like being from Texas and knowing what's going down with Texas with the numbers and the hospitalizations, do you take any responsibility though for being a public figure and being out and about and being in. involved in a, like, at a concert or a club where so many people are packed and crowded because you saw the crowd and it was like people weren't like following the COVID protocols even if you were. And you're affiliated with that. Do you not take any responsibility with that though? Somebody asked me that. I said the only thing I'll take responsibility of is not wearing my mask while I was on the microphone. I had my mask on the whole time. And I understand that a lot of people wasn't there. So it's me knowing what was going on and everybody in my section. And, you know, that's the only thing that went viral from that whole night was I, first of all,

was my home boy, a close friend of mine's 30th birthday weekend, a successful black man, a business owner, someone who was, you know, very, very positive. And, you know, made it out in the world. It's building his city up and has a lot of connections with myself and a lot of other celebrity friends. If you've seen the flies, you saw the, you know, the other people that attended the weekend. And so I really didn't think nothing of it. Honestly, you know, the MC called me. The VIP section was on the stage. So I just walked over.

He played like you. And I did probably what my verse is, what, 40 seconds? I did one verse and got off. It's happy birthday. And I walked back. So being me, I'm like, I was on stage for less than a minute. And then I look up. I'm on the news that night.

The next morning, the mayor is on me. The mayor is tweeting me. I'm like, yo, this is crazy. So if I take any sense of responsibility, I guess I wonder what they would have done if I had my mask on when I wrapped. I wonder if it wouldn't win viral then or they would have blew it out of proportion then.

They might, I don't think there's no story if I didn't have my mask on. Regardless of what the crowd was going. It was the crowd. Yeah, it would have been on power. Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't have been, I think that the mask, like I said, there's photos of me in the club with my mask on.

So that's why a lot of times when things, you know, hit the media when it goes public. For me, I'm like, I don't look at it the way sometimes that people vote because I was there. Like, you know what I mean?

It's just different. Like, I know what I did. I took my mask off for one minute and one minute at time, you know, rapping a verse. Just, that was the biggest story of the whole weekend. It was crazy.

But for me, if anything, it would be me not performing with my mask on. But other than that, I didn't tell people to come. I didn't promote the event. It wasn't my event. You know what I'm saying?

I wasn't even slated to even. perform. It went from another artist whose party it was to a bow wow concert. Like, there was no mention of whose party it was. It was strictly no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Him, bow wow. It was a bow wow concert. Right, yo, this is I will say this. Sometimes you hit people with the back-to-back internet moments. Like, this was coming off the hills of the boat. So what it seemed like to a lot of people was the boat kind of like put some heat behind you.

And you was like, yo, I'm going to take this boat heat and go have a show down in Houston. That's what it seems. That's what it seemed like. So let's talk about this. Like there's other things, right? There's a lot of stuff that happens. Do you know when you're playing with people? Because you got to know when you make the Keisha Cole comment.

My boo is right here here. Yes, the Keisha Cole one. You got to know when you made the Keisha Cole comment that every like I did that. But when I do it, like when I did that, like that came from the heart. Like I wasn't, I'm like, damn, how long? I didn't even, first of all, I didn't even watch it. Right.

I didn't even watch the verse. Shout to the Shanti, though. You know what I said? That's our touring sister right there. She's on a millennium tour with this. But I didn't even watch it. And, you know, I just happened to just look at Twitter and they was just trending.

And everybody was like, yo, it was taking her so long, so long. And I'm like, damn, I'm like, damn. And I'm like, damn. And I'm like, damn. And I just thought to myself like that. I'm like, it never, I ain't never heard of a being late like this. When I would call, we would kick it, pull out.

You know what I'm saying? But people would take it. But you know, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on for a second. Hold on for a second, Bob. Hold on for a second. You know, you said, yo, when I call over to the crib,

she was never like, wow, you know. You're insinuating so many things. Yeah. I understand. But listen, my voice said right here, he'll be like, your bow does it. He don't plan none of it. Like, I wish I had y'all in Miami with me.

Because then y'all would see, like, from my point of view, how it was, like, one little thing, but I don't, like, I didn't, I'm not thinking. I got girls, and I'm pulling up to this hundred foot of that I got. Like, I rented this for four days. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm feeling myself. Do you feel like you was thinking about nothing? Do you feel like by saying that you was putting Keisha out there a little bit?

No, because it was, what's public information is public? You know what I mean? Everybody, now, I don't know if everybody I know, but there was been a story that broke a tool about us. You know what I'm saying? So it's been out there. I've been asked about it. So, you know, if it wasn't out there,

then I'd be like, no, but I'll probably want to send it. Okay, I'm a piggyback on that then because you say that you don't do it on purpose, but then on growing up hip-hop, you talk about, you were talking to your mom, and you were saying how you were going to do this nine-track project, and you were going to, it was a letter to your ex-execkel. and you were going to name all these women that you have been with.

People, we don't know. That's not public information. I know you are, Van. That's not public information. We don't know who these women are. I mean, that's something that's purposeful. And it's kind of like a little bit of kiss and tell, right? Like, are you going to warn them about it?

Are you going to get their permission to talk to- I'm glad you asked that question because I'll take the L on that because I should have explained it better. I didn't explain really the concept of the album, clear enough. This is, and I'm no longer, well,

the album's been done, but I'm more focused now on my album album, which will be my last one before 30. That's what it's called before 30. And basically,

I wanted to do a specialty album coming off the tour in March, right before the pandemic kid, I was, you know, inspired because here we are again. I'm like, I didn't even put out a single

in probably like seven years. And me and Omarianna still put 19,500 women in this every night. This is crazy. So I got inspired to do something. So when the pandemic hit, I got with my producer, I got with him, I said,

yo, dog, I want to do a 10-song album. And I want to do it like, my biggest hits have always been the stuff for the ladies, my relationships of the Heartbreak Records. I need to do a whole album back. And anytime I go into the studio and I write, I draw inspiration for my real life. So what I should have said, I should have been clearer with my explanation is, the album is a 10-song album, all of the girl-type records that I'm known for, but I was drawing inspiration from situations that I was in

that would able me, that would, you know, give me the ability to actually write these records, these hard-borrow records. And each song was drawing a piece from a relationship, from someone. But also at the same time, I knew that if I did this type of album, the media would go crazy until they heard it.

It was a catch to it. The whole catch was, I put the blame on me, my false, my wrong, doing me growing up now about to be 34 damn i wish i'd go back and fix that i broke your heart i did that i shouldn't it wasn't though i had her bent over on the tour bus and y'all don't even know it like nah it was nothing like that it was real records like you know um it could have been a song in there about my baby moms you know how i felt you know i look now my daughter's 10 and you alone i'm alone and we should have i wish we could have went back that was my mess up that was my fault i shouldn't

hurt you i understand why you did what you did what you did what you're just you you did or why you moved on. I get it. I would have done the same thing too. I was really big in, you know, the women up, but it was never going to be no names. I shouldn't have said that. But it was really that. I was just drawn to be able to write out of my system

and the light views. Those records were records that was drawn from real life people who I dealt with. You know what I mean? So it was just drawing inspiration. So that's what I was trying to get across. Not that this song will be Angela Simmons, this song going to be, you know, this girl and that. Nah, I should have

worded it like that, that I was just drawn inspiration from situations that met something. Let's stay on hip-hop for a second. Some years back, I can't remember who it was. It might have been Vince Staples that his inspirations or

his influences when he was coming up and doing his thing was guys like you, guys like Bawa. And I remember people went nuts when he said that, right? They were like, like, Bawa, Bawa. What you mean?

you and like you influenced by I guess my question to you is yeah yeah do you feel like forget about any of the reality TV show stuff forget about any of the internet stuff just music just music

do you feel like you get the appropriate respect for what you've done music you do now yeah it happened last year last year was the first year what changed last year I just think as you get

older, I think, you know, people start to give it up. Like, they give it up to you. What happened, last? I think something happened, and I started trending on Twitter. I don't know if it was the versus thing that started it or what happened, but it just turned into a whole color. Oh, no, this is what happened. Clubhouse.

I jumped on Clubhouse. One of my boys said, you need to jump on Clubhouse. One of my boys said, you need to jump on Clubhouse. Yep, yep. And I said, what? I never even heard of this Clubhouse. I don't even know what this is. And believe it or not, I get nervous.

I don't like to talk, believe it or not. Like, on the phone, I hate it. I hate it. It just makes no sense. I hate talking on the phone, right? Okay. Like, I can't stand it. So I get on a clubhouse and all of these people in there,

and they're giving me all my roses and little y'all. Like, all these rappers are coming in the room like, yo, bad. Like, I don't think you understand, bro. Like, I'm like, this shit is crazy. I'm like, y' got to forgive me. I'm kind of weirded out because I don't really get the love like that. So this is just, you know, just weird. Then it went on to Twitter for me, trending number one, and everybody was like,

yo, we might troll him, we might, but we can do that because he ours. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you mean that must us. Like, do all the BS that you do, you still goaded. You were like Mike, the stuff that you gave us, bro, you gave us so much for our culture that you mean something to us. You know what I mean? So it's like, I'm like, damn. And when that happened, I said, damn, okay, I, now I got to, I got to walk. that line if I want to honor these words and what people are now giving me this, this, you know, this title

of being a young goat. Like, I appreciate it. You know what I mean? And, you know, from then then something else happened and people just started just giving the love. I always tell me, when you put the work in, it's there. The numbers is there. The hit records is there. All that's there. You can never take that away

from somebody. And I just think that people are to, you know what I mean? I think people finally like, yo, okay, got to give it to them. And I think a lot of times I get some slack, too, because I told my mom the other day, even with the boat thing, she said, why did you post the boat? I said, because I was feeling fly.

I felt like Tony Mom telling her. That's how I felt. You can't tell me nothing. I did because I want to just like, yeah, but I don't think. You know people are going to talk about you. The end of the day, they always going to have something to say.

And I'm like, yo, at the end of the day, mom, I don't care. The work is there. Like, I don't care. I'm having fun. And everybody who's talking shit would be right there with me on that little boat,

on the big boat, on whatever boat, the canoe, they'll be right there. So, you know, I'm just, I'm just trained that my mind is just different. It is, it is, you know, my whole process is different. So you say you feel like you got the, start of getting the respect that you deserved last year. But before that, it's like 20 years before that you felt like you weren't getting that.

Did you feel like, did you feel like you had pressure to constantly prove yourself to people up until that point? Like whatever you did or even, no? No, I just keep working. I literally just keep working. Like, I wish all my boys right here right now. I swear to God, they're like, yo, bow don't see none of that. He don't feel nothing. Like, they know it.

Like, I just, I live in my own world. You know what I mean? I'm just always in my own world. Like, I would never walk running for like I got, I feel like I got, I feel like I'm only in competition with myself. To be honest, with you and nobody has done what I've done, you know, to be coming to game at 12 years old, go triple platinum. And you're trying to tell me 21 years from now,

I'm still be here. My movies are still getting shown. I'm still torn. Like, I made it. Like, I've done it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I've done it. So there's no pressure on me.

Like, I've always just coasted. I just said, listen, just do what you do. You know what I mean? That's all I can do. All I can do is go to work. Wake up, go to work. That's it. So that's always been my mentality.

Wake up, go to work. I ain't hearing that. Or what they said today? That's what they say, in real? All right. Y'all want to go to Vegas or what? We go to Vegas? Like, that's how I'll really be.

I swear to God, my boy, like, that's bad. I look at the internet and all this. Like it's the matrix. Like, it's a whole other make-believe world. I don't really get too tangled up in it. And believe it or not, I know she's smiling because she's like, stuff you'd be doing it before. They think of, you know what she's thinking about?

She's thinking about the plane thing and she's thinking about the boat thing. You ain't in my mind. You don't know what I'm thinking. No, I'm not. Excuse me. Excuse me. I'm a mansplaining for Rachel. She's about all those things. And what people would say is because really that was the thing.

The reason why I asked if you felt appreciated and respected because for a rapper to be around longer than three, four, five years it's tough. It really, really don't happen like that. It don't, bro. Look, on the outside looking in, especially when I was at that other shop and those stories would happen,

I would be like, I wonder if Bow Wow even appreciates himself. Because, like, you really... But a lot of people would look at it and be like bywai was always stunning for the gram or showing off or saying stuff or acting like, why do you feel like people have that perception? I told my mom this last week,

I said, my mom was like, yo, it's crazy. I'd be wanting to curse people out for you. And I'm like, mine, listen, you have to understand something. I'm like a unicorn. So how often you see a unicorn? Never, never. Never. I've never seen one.

I said, Mom, you named me a child star with millions of dollars. that young, that coasted through the industry, no drugs, not strung out, didn't deteriorate as far as looks and all of that crap looking teeth rotten, following that. Like, you name me one other than me. You know what I'm saying? Michael did it for sure, the king, the greatest. No one else done it. Me. Just you and Michael Jackson. Beaver, that's my little bro. I love Justin. But even Justin started at a. of later age than I did. And Justin put out maybe, what, three, four hours, I did two of a big arena tours, world, I told us,

and I'm out of this, I'm cool on this. I'm, I kept going. I never stopped. I never, you know, and I kind of, and I credit a lot of that to my mom and, like, really, JD for keeping me in Atlanta and not go early and getting turped out and all of that. So I think a lot of it is just,

I look at it from that perspective, like, yo, I'm just something they ain't seen before. I was supposed to been for a lot. I wasn't supposed to be here. I was just left London. a year and a half ago, feeling fast nine. I'm with John Cena and Ben Diesel and, you know, all of us are together. Like, this is, this is crazy.

This ain't supposed to happen. But it is, though, because God chose his path for me. So that's how I look at it. I look at it like I'm not, I wasn't supposed to. Most child stars don't get it. So this is different. It is. So I understand where the hate come from sometimes or, you know, why people be, I get it.

And also you got people who feel like this is my vision on where about what I'm supposed to be like that. Like, we do this to put the fire on your ass so you can, you know what I mean? like, come on. So that's why I said earlier on, we was talking, I'm like, nah, it's not, I don't really feel like it's hatred or nothing. Like, the hatred is different. You know what I mean?

You know, it's more fun. We can just do it to do it because he's honest. Like, if I'll do something else. Like, you know what I mean? If he buys a Ferrari tomorrow and he's driving it, we just going to say it's right. But we know this motherfucker. They will.

We know he gets passed. We know he's about it. Right. But I mean, to be honest with you, that's how it is. I haven't actually. even saw a video with you and some rappers and they were and they were talking to you about something like but it was it's all love like that's kind of how it feels so rachel do you have

anything else because i want to switch gears real quick go ahead no you go ahead so i want you to i want you to settle something right now and this is a little controversy but it's the best kind of controversy to me all right so around the time that the face off album came out yeah okay you and a marion face off hey baby Say you want to You guys know the guys know the shit All right So this is what I'm saying

I contended then And still contend now And I've said this on the internet And I've said this to Rachel Nobody agrees That at that point Omario was a little bit ahead

of Chris Brown in terms of dancing We're talking Oh nine No we're going I know we go We're talking like 0-9, 10. We're not like, you know,

Amariana's had a fantastic career. Him and Chris Bond, this is not no smoke. This is just a friendly, cultural argument. I know where you're going with this. Obviously, Chris Brown went to places, dance-wise, because he kept going and stuff. I'm not to say Amarion didn't keep going, you know what I mean? But at that moment,

the king of dance with the hat trick and all of the touch video and stuff like that. Who do you think was the better dancer? I'm going to be totally honest with you. And I always... See, I've seen it up close. You're settling it right now. Bawa, you're settling this debate.

Two different... All right, so look, when it comes to Brown and the Marion, the one thing that I've seen is that they're different. I'm going to tell you why they dance styles is different. Oh... and you got to look at the height too, right? So when you shorter, the moves look more deep. They look crazier because the things that Oak can do with his body and he's shorter.

With Brown, he's longer, he's taller. So he's able to do a lot of things too that they both, like they both have their own style. It's crazy. I remember being in L.A. watching them in my room. I'll never forget this. I'm chilling. They over there in the corner. Dance.

Both are just like I can't make like I can. And Chris was sitting right here like this. That's no cat. He was at the Regent Beverly Wilshire right after the B&T Awards. Me and Chris lost. We lost the View and Choice Award that year. And we went back to the hotel. It was me, Chris.

Oh. And them boys was in the corner. Like, nah, but so you got to, nah, look. When I do it, it's like all the motion. You got it. They just forever. This is what they was like. I believe this.

I believe it too. Or Marion, a more of a, he embodies dance. Like, you'll see, oh, like, even on tour, I'm like, oh, you ain't really tick pop. Like, he said, nah, like, he moves with the, like, he'd be listening to, like,

he ends up some different, that's, oh, oh, is like, right, right. Oh, that's the unbothered king. Oh, if it's dance, he wants to go back to 1800 BC and read upon dance, and discover, you know, why we move, like, Brown is just,

the turn of music on, I'm about to get, you know what I'm saying? Like, Brown is, it's too different. It's different when you see it up close. They are two different type of dances, but I will say this. For early on before Chris came out,

I said, man, oh, Mariam might be one of the best dances I haven't seen in my life. This boy is, boy, you can tell, they had, oh, and dance, schools, and that boy was on it, own it. Well, you know, Brown, like I said,

I just feel like Brown is just a natural video. You know what I'm saying? He can just do it. It's nothing. But they're both tremendous performers, men, they both captivated that time in, and I don't think, I'm going to be real with you.

I ain't seen nobody who can dance like Mariana Chris Brown within the past 15 years. I haven't seen it. Usher? So they're your top two. They're top two. Usher is bro.

I was just with Usher two days ago. I feel like Usher is more known for his records. That's my, I feel like Big Bros. more known for the records. You know, his records are so powerful and so iconic. I feel like Usher is known more for the records and he is dancing.

Well, Usher's a hell of an entertainer. Usher, Usher, a cold-ass dancer, Bob. Oh, absolutely. But when you say I was a Chris Brown concert, you know, I want to see that boy dance. Like, you don't really hear that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you see Chris Brown dance. Electrifying. He's going to line up. We're going to back,

flip, front flip. It's just going to be electric. Well, Usher, you know, he's more smoothed. If I go to an Usher concert, he better be dancing. That's what I came for. But if I go see Big Bro, I'm like, I want to hit records. He got some joints. Burn, you can't really get up.

Burn is a slower ballot record. It's going to be hard to, he got that grown mature stuff. Whereas Brown, you know, I'm out to be electrified. It's going down. So I would say, on God, man, Omarion and that boy, Chris Brown, hands down the best two dances I've seen within the past 15 years of my life. I ain't seen nothing like. No one.

Usher gets off, you do his thing, but them two boys, never seen her life. All right, last question, I'm going to ask you. You've had so much success, long, long career, much respect for that. I'm sure you learned a lot along the way. If you could go back and give Young Bao some advice,

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why did I start that when I was 19? Like, good God. Like, why didn't I get into that? Like, and not passing up opportunities. I pass up a lot of big money plays that I wish that I could have went back and, like, just took the time to hear him out or took that time to hear this person speak to me instead of, like, now I'm cool. Whatever.

You got to prove it to me and then come back around and that's how to be. Like, there's a lot of things that I passed up when I look at it now. Like, oh, my God, what was I doing? So that's one thing that I would say to the young about. I was like, yo, that would be it. Like, those things right there would be it. Things that I know now, that's what I would say. Like, now I live that.

Somebody stops me for five minutes. Let me hear what you're talking about. This might be a multi-minute idea. This might be the next thing that can change the world, whatever it is. I just wish that, like, I wish I invested in Corwater when they ask. That's just, put it out. Yeah, yeah.

Put it that way. Yeah. Put it that way. Yeah, right. A lot of those. People come at you like, hey, bro, I got a little watercup. And you go, hey, it's not the right time. And the next thing you know, nigga, they made $15 billion.

You're out there looking crazy. Exactly. So, right. So this is my last question. So, listen, we have a segment on the show called Bow Wow Watch where we talk about all your exploits, right, the things that you do, the boat and things like that. It's very fun. During the last Bow Wow Watch,

session that we had, what we did was we talked about the concert that you gave, and then we talked about artists who we would like to see whether or not there's an artist. I went down and randomly picked the artist and we went, will we rather see that artist in concert or Bawa? We did that. Okay. We came upon Paul McCartney. Rachel said that she would rather see Paul McCartney in concert than Bawa. I couldn't I couldn't fathom that. There's no fault of it.

Paul was an icon though. That was a, he's a legend. That's what I said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see Bawa whenever. Bowser acted by. I don't know what I'm going to see him. I can't see his sing his songs,

but I would go to just say I went. You guys. Yep. I don't give a fuck about that. That's not why I'm going to a concert to say that I did it. Because I can watch that. I'm not, I don't get more fuck about that.

That's not, I understand it. So I'm going to ask you this. Not for us. I'm old. I'm 40 years old. Let's say for people under 35 in the culture. Okay. If you did a versus with Paul McCartney,

20 records, under 35 and black. Under 35 and black. You and Paul McCartney, 20 records. Don't you think that they fucking with your 20 records more than they fuck? Absolutely.

Of course. Absolutely. They are. Absolutely. I know. Of course they are. Oh, they are. Absolutely.

So why you make, see, don't, don't be like a question. To me. You're under 35? I am 35. You ask the question to me. But it's a generational thing, right? It's generational. I love Paul McCartney.

It is. I'm going to have more fun. It's your concert, though. And I said that. And I said that. But I would be wearing my mask. I'd be wearing my mask at the concert. coming out at a ball concert, like Snoop coming out.

The list goes on the moon. The list goes to the whole, it's going to jam. JD, we're going to get Monica. It's going to get crazy. It's going to get, it's going to be a cultural celebration. You're like, I'm going to be like. Y'all like the white people. That's what y'all like.

I'm going to be real with you. All right, look. I want to ask you this question. I meant to ask you this before. It's no secret that you love the women. I come from the Bachelor franchise. Absolutely. would you ever, if given the opportunity, be the Bachelor?

You got 30-some women. Hell yeah, I'll probably do it. It's 2021. I probably would do it. Me and a house full of how many women? 30-plus. That's the play. They never had a celebrity be the bachelor before, huh?

It's been a long time. Jesse Palmer's the closest, I think. Yeah, no, not nobody actually famous. Let's be real. No, nobody's like famous, famous, famous. break that mode, I'll break that mode. I'll be the first famous bash. I do. I do it. Especially if I can pick the girls.

No, you can't pick the girls. You can't pick the girls. Well, you would give them, you would, you would, you would tell them your type. You're like, this is what I like, and then they go get it. Oh, okay. But you wouldn't be disappointed. Can you imagine? Oh, my God. Pow wow, going to have every girl on IG with a link tree in her bio.

Or an only fan, or an only fans. Right. You know how big that would be like, that's one of them Badawashed. Imagine what's on ABC? ABC. Prime time. Could you imagine that shit if I was the bad, man, it'd be crazy. It'd be something like that. We'd have to break the internet.

And they're like, man, Bada, dude, it's like, no, I don't know. They pay me, I'm paying me to be in a house with 20. What? I'm so glad you got that in, Rachel. I'm so glad. Now, why don't you become the best after this interview? They're going to reach out. They're really, they should.

I'm promoting it. Right. Let's go. I'm going to deal. We wish you continued success. Yes. Look, man. Ease up.

Ease up, Bob. Give us two months. No trending on Twitter for a while. Hey, V, I'm telling him to stop paying attention to me. Like, that's a hobby feeling. I'm like, yo, I'm just living. How is little old means so important enough with you? Like, people really just, like, tell them to stop looking for me.

I don't look for no. I'm just, I had living. I'm just living a good life. I'm doing some magnificent shit. I can wake up and do what I want. And I, you know, people just, it's content. People, let me take it. You know, I'm just living.

That's all I'm doing. I bet you Keisha Cole called you and got all in your ass on the phone. I bet she was pissed on. No, she didn't. She definitely didn't. But, you know, there's been time, like in the past, like my boy, like, one of my partners in her, they still cool. And, like, you know, she'll send them a little.

mess to them like, yo, self-bound, come on. What is, wait, what is he going? Tell them to stop. Why even mess with me? Like, it's all love. I got a lot of love for Keisha, man. She's a sweet person. You know what I mean? Regardless of what people think, she's very sweet, talented.

You know, a very caring person. So I would never have anything bad to say about Keisha at all. What you're going to look out for coming up? I know you said the album coming. You say it's going to be your Last album. Yeah, that's it. Last one.

It's coming out at some point in the future. That's the last one, man, before 30. That's the title, before 30. It's going to be crazy. Like I said, it's the last one. So, you know, I'm going to go out with a bang. Of course, I'm going to get y'all some shit to talk about. You know what I mean?

But it's going to be crazy. It's going to be crazy. That got Fast-upier's 9. You're ready to come out here in the spring. Finally, been dying for this movie to come out. But, you know, COVID messed things up. Of course. The Millennium Tour, we're still going out.

Right now, we slated for, spring. We're going to do it differently. I think we're going to hit the cities that are allowing us to do it at like 50% capacity. That's what they're saying, 50, 70%. Y'all ain't coming to L.A. And, nah, L.A.

will probably be for the summer leg. So we're going to cut it and half. We're going to get it going to spring, take a break, and re-up and do everywhere else comes summertime. So those three things, I can be here all day talking about all this stuff that I got going on.

I got you. I'm going to. I'm going to leave it there. I'm going to do it. leave it there. You're going to have to come back when you're about to drop it all, bro. Absolutely. Absolutely, bro. All right, guys, higher learning audience, that is a cultural treasure. Wow. We will continue to watch him and we continue to talk about him. He's going to

continue to give us shit to talk about. Appreciate you. You guys. As long as I keep watching. It's going to be there. All right.