Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Brian Flores Sues the NFL and Peter Rosenberg Talks Whoopi

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay bring in Black History Month with reactions to former head coach Brian Flores’s decision to sue the NFL for racial discrimination (17:09), before welcoming Peter Rosenberg back for a layered discussion on the Whoopi Goldberg controversy (42:04). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Peter Rosenberg Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher Learning is on. It's I, Van Lathan, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel. Van. Today is Rosa Parks' birthday.

Happy birthday, Rosa Parks. Happy birthday, Rosa Parks. Very important woman in history. Do you know why, and it's a serious question, not because of the number of days or anything like that. Why did they choose February's Black History Month? Did it have reason to do with the fact that her birthday is? She's such an important part of Black history and her birthday is in February? Are there a prominent number of black historical figures that are born in February?

No. Okay. Come on, Donnie. Come on, Donnie. what does Donnie say The month of February was chosen to coincide with the birthdays of Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglas

All right well So I was kind of right I was kind of right with the Frederick Douglas Frederick Douglass Frederick Douglass is very important Lincoln I don't think that Lincoln should have anything to do

with Black History Month Same Like I don't know what the fuck He's got to do with anything He look I'm not People go Who Abraham Lincoln

I'm not discounting how important Abraham Lincoln was as president, probably the greatest president one of the most tumultuous times in American history. But I'm not, I don't want no white dude. I just keep it all the way gangster. But that doesn't make any sense. Why are we having black history,

and I'm not coinciding it with someone who's not black? I mean, I get the argument what people will say what he did, you know, what he did for black people. I get the, so we're going to say that, but let's, I think that defeats the purpose. Frederick's great. let's go ahead and throw Rosa in her birthday's in February

let's change the narrative on this I did not are we sure Donnie are we sure Donnie Donnie is good for this Here's the thing Let me ask your question Let me ask you a question I want this as a breakout Is Abraham Lincoln One of the top 10 most important people in black history

Are we excluding black people from this No we're just wait we're not exclude what are you talking about How can we exclude black people? No what do you mean? Well, then my answer would be no. My question, you're saying, is he one of the most, say your question again. So look, if we did the 10 most important people in black history, right? And that's, okay, go ahead. If we did the 10 most important people in black history, just the 10 people are the biggest impact of black and history.

When we say black history, I'm not talking about the entire diaspora, the Pan-African is black. I'm talking about black American history. If we did the 10 most important people to black American history, would Abraham Lincoln be on that list? And this is why I asked you the question. So if we're including black people, I'm going to say no. I thought your question was like white people who were important. No, it's not. This is so frustrating.

No, I'm saying people. So they could be black or white. Like to me. Then no. Not even like not 10, you know? I'm just thinking of the black people that I wouldn't include. Let's throw some names out. Okay.

Are you, are you, let's throw some names out. Let's see. Okay. So Dr. King's on there. Malcolm X. Malcolm X is on there. To me. I would put James Baldwin on there.

James Baldwin's on there. Frederick Douglass is on there. Frederick Douglass is. Harriet Tubman's on there. Harriet Tubman is on there. Harriet Tubman is on there. there. Sojourner. Truth. Truth is on there. So how many do you have about? We get some, we get some Harlem Renaissance folks on this list as well. Donnie, Donnie, Barack Obama's on there?

I'm shot. Shot. You put him on there. No, I'm sure. He would be on my list. I'm talking about you. Remember, he eliminated him when we played three to this last time. So Donnie, so we're at seven. So Donnie, do you know what, okay, so this is the list. I'm going to write this down. So we can actually do this in a scientific way. And you'll see why I ask the question. I did. No, no, no. I'm not saying we, you know, ask the question. The question is definitely 10 more black people who've done more for us than any white person. Yeah, it's true, except it's true, but the, the freedom thing is very important. Well, are you saying we got freedom because he solely wanted to liberate black people? That's not the

answer. That's not, I know that that's not true. So then I'm not giving it to him. If we're just doing it on accolades, right? If we're just talking about... Well, go ahead and throw LBJ in there. I'm going to be on... Go ahead and throw LBJ. That's the question.

The question. Hold on. That's the question. So look, here's a deal. If we're doing it strictly based off accolades, like, for example, I'm sure somewhere Lincoln has like a great, great, great, great, great grandson or something or granddaughter, don't they have to have, like, some sort of entree into said barbecue.

Isn't it? Like, am I being, am I being too much of a softy right here to think about this? Yeah, we got liberated by default. Like, if the war, if the war, if he could have not avoided the war and not freed us,

we would still be enslaved. Of course. Of course. It's very true. He said as much also, I think people don't really know the history of slavery, enslavement in America to know intimately just how much black people had

to do with their own freedom and like their own abolition and like how you know I think it's the it's a trope that we were great slaves that never bucked the system we we were docile no no no no it's coming to a head anyway having said all that somebody still has to do it

so let's go back to the list okay how many have we named we've been naming them Okay, so we're the name. So Dr. King. Mm-hmm. Malcolm X. Mm-hmm.

Rosa Parks. Mm-hmm. So join the truth. Okay. Put, yeah, put a rose in it. Okay. So join a truth. Mm-hmm.

Harriet Tubman. Harriet Tubman. Frederick Douglass. We said James Baldwin. James Baldwin. Okay. So this, this last three for me is easy. But it's, it might be hard for some other people.

Okay, I would have Ella Baker there who started SNCC. All right. I would have, see, I would then branch out, right? I would have somebody like Robert Johnson there. Okay. Who's the first black billionaire, right? From BETT. First black American billionaire, right?

I know. Thank you. Making sure. No, I'm waiting because I thought you were going to say when you said branch out. I thought you were going to say like Stokely Carmichael. That's what I thought you were going to say. No, I would. I'd have Ella,

there. Ella Baker there to me encapsulates what Snick means and she was the driving force of that. The beginning, yeah. And other people. And for me, the last one could be Dubois. It could be Maya Angelou. It could be Bell Hooks.

You know what I mean? It could be Obama. Which I would have Obama. It could be Thurgood Marshall. There's so many people. There's so many. Shirley Chisholm. I mean, Barbara Jordan. Shirley Chisholm, Barbara Jordan. There's a lot of.

So you want to ask the question again and ask me if Lincoln fits? I'm just asking. Because I can't take away from what they did. And if I'm doing a top 10 and say what he did was more, I get what you're saying. But I feel like it's like a knock to our people who did so much. You made so many sacrifices. I know you're not saying that. But that's why I couldn't put him in the top 10.

Well, we'll ask the people, is Abraham Lincoln, one of the ten most important figures in black history. Huh. In black American history. I'll ask it again so Donnie's get a clean edit. Is Abraham Lincoln one of the ten most important people in black history? Do you want to say black American or black history? God damn it.

Donnie just used one of these. Is Abraham Lincoln one of the ten? Is Abraham Lincoln one of the ten most important people? people in black American history. It's an interesting question. This Black History Month is kind of, I don't know. You know, it didn't hitting as hard. It's not lit.

It's not lit. It's just a lot of stuff has surrounded the start of this month. And I think that's why, like, I'm like, it's February. I'm very lost in the days and everything. Also, I feel like the veil has been pulled off Black History Month. You know what I'm saying? It's like we, it used to be something where you get like a day of, all from school because it got the black history.

Yeah, because we had to do the black history presentation thing. And so we didn't have any class. Wow. Because it was just first period and maybe part of second period. And then the black history thing would be like three hours. And after that, I got football practice. So it was like, you know, like you never had the black history thing. It was just great.

Go up there. People come over there to do the local guy from the fucking Africa. In the hood, there's always. He's a pan-Africanist that wants to come back and teach you about your roots and all of that stuff. You had the brothers from the Islamic Temple would come over there and they would do that thing.

We learn all about great people like Granville Woods, people that we never talk about, inventors, you know, that really had their whole situations wiped away and it was cool. But since that, it's so corporate. When you get to be an adult, Black History Month is some corporate bullshit. You would even know it was Black History Month

at all if you didn't have to go to the stove. that's so true it is different when you're younger like at my school we definitely didn't have a day off my parents were part of another group of black parents that fought to get martin luther king junior day off at the school that i went to right so we didn't have anything regards to black history months so to me what it what what i remember is doing programs at church doing speeches um where we would we would talk about historical black figures who did something in our community did something that benefited us. But my mom would always take us to the library too and we would learn about because we

weren't getting that in school. You know, so it was like a sense of pride that I, that I would feel because I was learning stuff that I, you know, wasn't learning anywhere else. Our childhoods were so different. Let me tell you the way my parents would do. So your mom took you to, your mom took you to the library and then you would learn stuff, right? Yeah.

My parents would teach me, but only after getting mad at me for not knowing something. I was supposed to know. They just assume you were supposed to know it. You're supposed to know it. We're on the TV. Jackie Robinson comes on the TV. I'm like, who is that? Boy, that's Jackie Robinson.

That's the first black man ever. What you mean? You don't know who Jackie Robinson is? God damn it. Get your ass up. Get up. God damn it. Go over there and read the psychopatopies

until you find out who Jackie Robinson is. I want you to come back over here and tell me who Jackie Robinson is. I'm like, yo, have we, did I miss the Jackie Robinson conversation? Is like, it's no. It's like I was supposed to know. All of this stuff. Stuff out the Bible. Oh, my God.

Well. I'm supposed to know it. You know, we were well, we definitely knew that. We got it at school, church, and home. Speaking of the Black History Month, before we get to the topics, I want to talk about Bed Bath and Beyond real quick. Did you see the

the nigger products that they put out at Bed Bath and Beyond? See this? Go ahead. Yes, I saw it. I saw it. I don't understand what's so funny about it. They put, they gave you nigger washes and scrubs for Black History Month.

Did they? Yeah. You mean because of the packaging? Yeah. Wasn't that designed by somebody black is what I read? Yeah, it was. There's absolutely nothing wrong with any of this, by the way. Okay.

I'm like, I didn't understand why if you're going to choose to be upset about something, there's a lot going on. I didn't understand the big deal with this, especially since it was designed by a black person. I'm like, okay, you guys, they just wrapped a couple of things up. Like a few items up. What's the big deal?

Sorry. Am I missing something? So if I did have a gripe, this would be the gripe. Sometimes the othering is exhausting. So this is a tryhard. It's try hard for you. Yeah, it's like you're watching HBO and it's like, we have HBO Max for all your varied entertainment needs.

We have HBO crime for people who have crime stuff. And then we got HBO Urban for all you motherfuckers. Because that's going to take it back to the streets. And I'm like, yo, man, just like, like, do we all have to be our own category? Like, it's like, I get it. This bed bath and beyond thing is great. But like when I look at it, just put the packages out there. Put this shit out there.

It's a great cause. It's a great thing. But it's a little exhausting to dress it up in a dashiki. You know what I'm saying? It was the colors. It wasn't an act. It's not like they put Kintech, can't take, can't take cloth. If they had actual cloth.

Like a little actual cloth. It's just so. nuts and they always do this and I'm telling you this leans into the fact that really everyone feels like black people respond more to gestures outward gestures than they do the actual substance what's going on with this is actually good if you guys didn't know that bath the body works is what it is I said bad bath and beyond but it's bath and body works uh has a longstanding commitment to the Columbus and National Urban Leagues through a $500,000 donation. That's a little chunk of change right there,

the Bath & Body Works is doing. It's just distracting to dress the packages up in nigger costumes. I didn't think it was that big of a deal. I'm actually going to buy some. I didn't actually think it was that big of a deal. So does it bother you that if you go to Amazon.com, it's my face that says Celebrate Black History Month? Do you think that I'm a package that they wrap me up in regards to

books? Yeah. Hold on. Let me go check this shit out real quick. Let me see how Rachel is sold out now. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see.

I didn't know that. Amazon.com. Let me see. Is it ready? I hope it's gone. That's not you. Oh, look. They probably thought this was you.

But look, it's candy. No. They got candies. They got, oh, it's a not. That's candy. They swapped me out. They swapped me out. They swapped you off a candy.

I had one day. So you, it's saying you, but now it's candy birds. They probably don't know that they did it. Click. It says Rachel. They put Rachel, but no,

I think that's great. Look, I'm not saying that they shouldn't use. Obviously, Black History Month is a, is a special month. But I think sometimes the whole thing can be a little bit much. It seems performative. Sometimes. Well, sometimes it is.

Sometimes it is. Yeah. I'm sure it's a spot on the calendar. Like, okay, we got to make sure that we do this. Yeah. I mean, and it's not just our month. They do it for others too. Like, who else do they do it for?

Tell me. For, um. Yeah, right. They don't do it for nobody else. Yes, they do. They have other heritage months and they do do it. Oh, Pride month. They do it for pride.

Mm-hmm. They do it for Latinos, Latinx. Right. Sometimes people get offended with Latinx. I'm trying to be trying to say. Latinx is offensive? Yes. I've had, not everybody feels that way, but I have heard from certain Latinos and Latinas

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Big news. Brian Flores, the ex-coach of the Miami Dolphins, is suing the NFL alleging racism and hiring practices. This is a couple days old now, but It's a bombshell. It's a class action suit. Brian Flores, who's the coach of the Dolphins,

had what would be considered a successful season this year. After that successful season, it was shocking news that he was fired as head coach of the Dolphins. He claims that part of the reason why he was fired is because he refused to acquiesce to ownership tampering with a star quarterback who they do not name, who is probably Deshaun Watson. and also that race was a factor in that. And if you read the entire lawsuit, which I did,

it is just chocked full with statistics that clearly illustrate the NFL's race program. Right now, there are 32 NFL teams. There is one black coach in a league where 70% of the players are black. When you add the GMs to that situation, Black leadership at the top levels of the NFL is sorely, sorely lacking. There's a lot of other stuff in this lawsuit, including, including a situation where Brian Flores was in contact with Bill Belichick, who he knows, who he coached under. And Bill Belichick called it. Bill Belich called Brian Flores to alert him to the fact that he was going to be the next coach of the next.

New York Giants told him he had got it. Brian Flores, let Bill Belichick know that he hadn't even interviewed with the Giants yet. Bill Belichick was like, oh, my bad. What he really meant was Brian DeBole had already gotten the job, meaning that the interview that Flores had coming up with the Giants was a sham interview, that they only did to meet the league's Rooney Rule guidelines. There is so much. much in this. Flores is pointing to direct knowledge of the discriminatory hiring practice and the practices and the culture of inequality that exists in the NFL. Rachel, what do you think?

I got to say I love Brian Flores. I mean, what Brian Flores is doing is, takes a lot of courage, takes a lot of guts, and he's basically coming out on something that most people, whether you're a player, an athlete, in the front office, even a fan of the league or the sport, you already know. You know this is the case. But he's coming out and really becoming the face of it at this point and jeopardizing his entire career, which he acknowledged. He acknowledged that this is something that he loves. It's done so much for his family and for himself. but he hopes that standing up against systemic racism in the NFL will allow others to maybe have

the courage to do the same and will implement positive changes in a league that we know has a history of this. And I should note that Brian Flores is doing, it's a class action lawsuit. So he really has an uphill battle in a class action case and trying to prove the things that he's alleging in his lawsuit. because he's got to show that there's some type of commonality between members of the proposed class action group. And because it's discrimination, he's got to show that they were all discriminated in the same way, which is very, very hard because he's listed the ways in which he was discriminated against. So that's going to be tough. But the reason that he's fall, I guess falling on the sword and really standing, making a statement is that if you look at the grievances or the lawsuits that have been filed in the end of the. NFL with Kaepernick. And then you look at the investigation that was done into the formerly known

as the Washington Redskins. Each time an investigation was done, it revealed racism that existed in the league as a whole or within the owners or within a certain coach or someone in the front office. So by him filing this lawsuit, he is going to be entitled to discovery, which is going to show communications and documents and will reveal even more racism for the NFL. And will it make a change? It hasn't as of yet. And we've seen this in the past. But it might, as this is something that's continuing to come out. So you got to commend, Brian, for doing this because he's really sacrificing his entire career. I'm aggravated. I'm aggravated. I'm aggravated. At which part? aggravated the whole lot of it

I'm aggravated because I'm a football fan I'm a fucking hypocrite it's disgusting watching football I was all hyped yesterday LSU signing day signed hero Perkins

number one linebacker in the whole country I discuss it with myself I'm discussing with Brian Flores I am because because something that happened a couple of years ago With Brian.

Yes. Is this out? It's been out. Okay. Kenny Stills was in Dolphins camp. And this was around the time that Rock Nation completely defamed Colin Kaepernick's movement and his schism with the NFL. You guys, I'm sorry. I don't, I have people over at Rock Nation.

I have friends over there. It's not everyone. The reality is that. Jay Z's deal with the NFL was the death blow to a movement to hold the NFL accountable for some of the racist things that they were doing. It's a fact. A lot of people are going to come back and be like, van, Colin Kaepernick took a settlement. They settled in a labor dispute. Colin Kaepernick still did not have an NFL team.

They tried to have a sham tryout, all kinds of things. when the league was able to partner with the most culturally powerful man in black America, they essentially made an alliance that made everybody turn off, turn back on the NFL games. That's what happened. That's what happened in that situation. What was his deal? I think you need to explain that to people. You're talking about an alliance and they partnered, but in what way?

They partnered to create two things. Number one, Rock Nation was going to get to oversee the Super Bowl halftime show. That was one thing. Number two was they were to create this initiative called Inspire Change. And what Inspire Change was going to do was divert money from NFL budgets into things that could help neighborhood activists, not neighborhood activists. I don't want to minimize it, but activists in local areas all over the country. So what they were going to do was empower the players through podcasting and all kinds of other stuff and through television spots to

to go out there and have a voice and be more transparent about some of the ways they feel like the league is acting. Okay, cool. That was supposed to be one of the solutions when asked very directly in one of these meetings about Colin Kaepernick, Jay-Z famously said, I think we have to move past kneeling.

And it seems as if inspire change is what we move to. Nobody right now really knows what the hell they're doing. nobody has any clue it has absolutely zero momentum zero traction i am sure that the that the uh institutions across the country that are getting their thing that are getting their initiatives funded i'm sure they all have a problem with it but i'm telling you as far as the critical mass and dealing with the race problem and with the nfl inspired change and that partnership has done absolutely fucking nothing we've talked about this podcast before during that time kenny stills who of course was very, very in lockstep with Colin Kaepernick.

He was right there with him. One of Colin Kaepernick's biggest allies, Kenny Stills. And he also had Eric Reed. I was playing for the Miami Dolphins where Brian Flores was the head coach. During practice, Brian Flores played nine straight, I think was eight straight JZ songs while Kenny Stills was out there. At this point, it was Kenny Stills and Ack and Eric Green. They were mad at Kaepernick. And he did this, as he said, was an exercise to make sure that Kenny Stills could concentrate on football and making plays more than the other things that are around him.

So Kenny Stills was in the middle of a social movement, something that Brian Flores says that he supported. and said that he understood, but he wanted to make sure he could concentrate on the football while playing JZ songs at practice. It's football first, whatever you're doing before because you're using that to antagonize him. I thought it was weak then. And to be honest with you, in my situation, there was a lot of talk about it. I thought it was weak then. I thought it was a weird thing to do with a brother dealing with this type of a real-life issue.

Now, a couple of years later, I'm not saying that this takes away from anything that Brian Flores is doing. I'm saying it's aggravating that it takes niggas getting bumped on their own head to they realize what's going on. I don't agree with that. That's fine. Let's get into it right now then. You think playing the JZ songs to someone that's going through this antagonizing them? You don't think that's insensitive, especially for a black coach. Okay, it's a, I don't think that Kenny was that, you know, like, triggered by Jay-Z, just to be honest with you.

It became an issue. Is that, so you're saying that's why he got traded? No, I'm not saying that's why he got traded, but I'm saying, like, it was an issue. It was something that the coach had done. I'm telling you that he was, I'm saying Brian Flores was playing. No, I get that. Keep your mind on football games. And what was Kenny's response to that?

He didn't like it. Did he say it? Or was this an issue that, like, the. media picked up and other people. Like, that's why I'm asking, are you speaking for him? What was his actual response to it? Kenny Stills, Jay-Z songs. Let's see what Kenny Stills had to say.

And the reason I say that is because I think there's an argument that can be made that, I think there's an argument that can be made that he wasn't necessarily trying to trigger him with Jay-Z. It could be that there are going to be a lot of people, there's going to be a lot of people who are going to be talking. There's a lot of people that are going to have things to say. and you need to be able to ignore the outside noise and focus. I don't think that it necessarily means that he was against what it was that they were standing for. And you yourself said that he said he wasn't.

I think it's hard to say that, oh, now that he's been a victim of it, which I'm sure he was prior to what's coming out, I don't think this was a one-time thing for him to say, you know what, at this point, I'm going to come out and do this. I'm sure he has dealt with racism in the NFL as a coach prior to this point. I don't think it's a one-time thing that can happen to someone for them to say, you know what, now I'm going to sacrifice my entire career. I just really, I really don't think that. I don't think you're giving Brian Flores enough credit.

But at the same time, I think you're reading way too much into him playing Jay-Z songs. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I don't think he was that triggered. Well, I'm not talking about how triggered he was. I'm talking about the fact that- It's not like he was catching passes from Jay-Z or something. You know what I mean? I'm talking about the fact that they're in something.

They're in a real life societal battle, right? The Jay-Z thing is going on, and he's using it as a football motivation tactic. He's antagonizing the guy that's going through something actually real. I thought it was very insensitive. But Brian Flores says he supports the movement. Okay, go ahead. How are you supporting the movement when you're telling the guy, hey, look, how are you, see, that's the thing.

Hey, yeah, I know that we're talking about injustice and racism. and all of this stuff, but don't forget about football. Or maybe he was... I'm sorry, go ahead. No, it's cool. If you're going to do that, why don't you show support for him in front of the whole team first, which is what he did secondly after he played the songs? Why don't you show support for him in the whole team in front of the whole team?

And then let people know kind of what's going on within the team and that they need to focus on doing their jobs so that they have jobs. What was Kenny's response? Kenny Blasted Nah songs. Okay, so nothing. Like, nothing. I just think that, do I necessarily agree with the tactic? No, but maybe that's just like he's just, it's a, it's a harsh tactic to get through

whatever message it is you're trying to get through on the other side. I guess I just don't read that much into it. Something that a company man would do. I know you're going on for this, but I'm fucking forget about football. Anyway, say, having said all that, I support Brian Flores and what he's trying to do. Oh, you do now? And it's crazy. She was the same thing he did.

That's why I just did. I played the Jay Z song. And then I said that. So I support what he's trying to do. But I am telling people this, getting sick and tired of people having to get knocked on their head with their own shit. I don't think that's before they under, well, you know what he just said? He just said on CNN who's talking on the guy on CNN. He says it's bigger than while.

right now is bigger than football. But he didn't seem to think what Kenny Stills was doing was bigger than football. Did he say that? Are you just basing that solely off some JZ playlist? He said in a press conference that I did it on purpose to let him know that no matter what's going on in the outside world, you still have to get open, catch the football, and make plays for this team. That's what he said.

Okay. But that doesn't say that he's against what he's doing. he's basically saying like don't like he's still trying to make him a good player I guess he's not telling him to not be something he's just like when you're playing focus on football right now though and ignore the outside noise and he's sacrificing he's sacrificing his hooker you know he's never going to get hired again he's seen it's happened he's probably going to get hired he's going to get a job people probably said the same thing about capernick too and here we are all these years later all these years later he didn't get going to get another job I think he is think somebody's going to hire him the cowboys Maybe the Saints Maybe the Saints will bring them in

I'll bring them in as long as he I'm playing any hove when niggas going out of beef with hove and stuff like that So you don't listen to Jay Z anymore? I listen to Jay Z off the time. Okay. Spike Lee is going to direct a Colin Kaepernick

docu series for ESPN. I just wanted to throw that out there. Colin's story is coming to ESPN near you. What are your thoughts about this? I'm more interested in the Brian Flores docuseries. I didn't know that you weren't allowed to fuck people that you work with even if they were downed.

Well, it's an HR issue. You got to inform. It's not that you're not allowed to, but people need to be informed. Really? At least HR. Not like you got to tell all your coworkers, but you got to let HR know. that you have a relationship. Okay.

So Jeff Zucker didn't do this. The president of CNN. CNN is turmoil. He resigned over a consensual sexual, over a consensual sexual relationship with a key lieutenant. Making it seem like this nigga is in for lucia or something like that.

He's the president of CNN. Jeff Zucker was in a relationship with a woman named Allison Gulles. They've known each other for a long time. But I guess during the pandemic, they decide to get a little frisky. That's what they said. That's what they said.

He says, it's not what the rumor mail says. That's what it says. I was asked about a consensual relationship with my closest colleague, someone who I've worked for for more than 20 years. I acknowledge the relationship evolved

in recent years. I was required to disclose it when I began, but I didn't. Recently, our friendship changed during COVID. I regret, that's what she says. Like, I regret

that I didn't disclose at all at the right time during COVID. Their friendship changed. Well, why? What are you hearing about? Well, the rumor mill is not that it just started. That's convenient to say it just started during quarantine. The rumor mill is that it's the worst kept secret in TV. And they've had a relationship going on for, not friendship for 20 years,

relationship for 20 years to the point where they both left their significant others. It's not, it didn't just start two years ago. So then more to the point. She was at NBC. She was at NBC. What's the big deal then? So the big deal, I think, is that you let go of Chris Cuomo because he wasn't forthcoming to you about certain information. And he didn't tell you everything, but you're guilty of the same thing.

And if the company. No, no, no, no, no. He's not guilty of the same thing. They didn't tell. They didn't tell anybody. Wait, wait. Chris Cuomo was like harassing people and stuff. harassing people, but he wasn't.

So they asked him. Remember they asked him what his relationship was with his brother, how he was involved with it, and he wasn't forthcoming, apparently. I guess they did an investigation. That was my understanding, right? That's totally different than fucking somebody that you work with. I'm not putting them on the same level.

What I'm saying is I was reading into this that he wasn't, he didn't, the reason Jeff Zucker is stepping down is because he wasn't forthcoming with information about a relationship that he had with a coworker. and I'm sure company policy is that you have to inform HR if you are. So he kept a secret. He didn't tell. I'm just saying you literally fired someone.

Yes, he did other things, but he also did that as well. I was just saying that there's a little hypocrisy in that. I'm not saying I'm not comparing the two. I'm just saying there are some similarities. And I think some people are like, okay, go ahead. I understand that you have to make sure that people aren't dipping in the company eke all over the place and HR issues and stuff like that. But you have to really lose your job over a consensual relationship.

Well, the rumor is that she got certain hired to do certain things because they were in a relationship. Katie Kirk wrote about it in her book. She said that when he helped her work on her syndicated show, he insisted that this woman do the PR. This woman left NBC. she came over eventually after working with Andrew Cuomo. She came over to work with him.

You can't say there wasn't some favoritism going on, which is why you have to be forthcoming with these type of relationships. Yeah. I guess, I mean, look, everybody has their favorites, you know? People have their favorites, but this is favorites for the right reason. Well, she gets to keep her job. Yeah, he's rich. He'll be fine.

I don't really care that he lost his job. I just, I remember when. And Tavis Smiley got fucked up. Oh, wait, didn't you just up in a hotel? Was he like knocking on doors or what? Yeah, okay. So Tavis Smiley got fucked up. And it was so funny because I watched the Bill Cosby documentary, which you refused to watch

which you should watch. I watched the Bill Cosby documentary. And at one point, Bill Cosby was talking to Charlie Rose. And I was like, shit, both of these motherfuckers got fucked up. And then I thought, at one point, everybody got fucked up Cosby Lauer

Charlie Rose Tavis Smiley Uh fucking what was the other guy Oh no no The head of CBS Les Moon Vest Every single

Everybody was getting fucked up Everyone And Tavis Smiley was like The funny thing about his He was like Yeah Yeah I've had

You know relationships with people that I work with. I mean, how can I not? Like, I'm here all the time. Yeah, he was like, I'm here all the time. Like, these, I'm, I'm like, I'm here all the time. And these are the people that I'm around. So I just don't think it's weird that you would have relationships with people that you're

around all the time. Gosh, people have to understand the power they exert over people that they have a better job or better status than. Like, they don't understand the pressure that, we talked about this before. or the pressure that comes with, you feel like you can't say no to certain things, no to this date, no to this, you know, advance.

Oh my gosh, cut out Vans laughter after I, Vans laughing because he's reading an article right now. Not at what I just said. Let's be clear. Tabith Smiley defends sexual relationships with employees. Where else are you going to meet people? Where's Tavis now? He's doing this thing.

he said like he was like he's like he's he's he's somewhere doing this thing man oh my god he's he's doing this thing so tava smiley's he was so important he's where else you're going to meet people that's what tavis smile he never goes to the grocery store think about it tavis smile he goes from work directly to his bed he doesn't even drive home on the way where you might see somebody's just work he teleports right to his bed can't meet anyone else tapp of smile never goes to the gym type of smile that's like hang out at a bar and have a drink the only place he can meet people is at work oh tapas tapas by the way you have no right to talk about this because your whole relationship is based off meeting meeting people that you work with like your whole relationship is based off of it

and you have more power than brian when you met him totally different concept it's a true or false just answer the question it's false not sure it's absolutely false don't you don't you don't you minimize our relationship like that. Talk about it was a work thing. He came on a show for dating. He made the choice to come on the show. Hold on. Did you get paid?

I do. Did he get paid? Right. No, he did not. Wait, you don't get paid for going on the Bachelor? No, you don't get paid as a contestant. Wait, what? You don't, so you go on the Bachelor.

You do all of that shit. You don't get paid. Some people quit their jobs to come on the show. Because a lot of people come on, especially these days, and look at it as an opportunity. You know, like, oh, I'm going to use it as a springboard to do something else. Contestants do not get paid.

Only the lead does. I'm not going to lie. Tim's the thirstiest motherfuckers in the world. And you are one of them, Rachel. You're so thirsty. Why? You do all of that shit and not get paid for it? My job kept me employed and paid me while I was on The Bachelor.

And if I hadn't been employed, I probably never would have gone. If my job didn't agree, I would never got on the show. And then guess what you did as soon as you got back, you quit. No, I didn't. I actually was in trial. Please don't.

Somebody hasn't read my book because that's not what I did. I haven't read it yet. I'm waiting for the right time. You see what kind of support I get? Bozeman read it. Do you see that picture? Yes, that's all the picture. It was really cute.

Bozeman ready. Oh, you guys, Bozeman and Copper Met. Yay. Yeah. Bozeman and Copper Met. And copper is just like 15 times more mature than Bowman is. Bosman was not. Bosman's still a puppy.

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That is when Ruby Goldberg said this. Well, also, if you're going to do this, then let's be truthful about it because the Holocaust isn't about race. No. No. It's not about race. But it's not about race. But it's not about race. It's not about race.

What is it about? Because it's about man's inhumanity to men. man. So what would be was saying was that the book in question was a part was part of literature that was being pulled out of schools because it delved too deep into race talk. We've seen this all over the country. We're seeing this on the east coast, the west coast. We've seen it in the south where books that talk about America's history and deal with

America's history either directly or indirectly are being taken out of schools. Whoopi got a lot of trouble. from saying that. She apologized and this was her apology. Yeah. And would you care to follow up? Clarify what you said this morning? Because it confused some people.

It upset a lot of people. Yes. Which was never, ever, ever, ever my intention. I thought we were having discussion. Because I feel being black when we talk about race, it's a very different thing to me. So I said that I felt that the

Holocaust wasn't about race. And people got very, very, very angry and still are angry. I mean, I'm getting, you know, all of the mail from folks and the very real anger because people feel very differently. But I thought it was a salient discussion because as a black person, I think of race as being something that I can see. So I see you and I know what. race you are. And the discussion was about how I felt about that. I felt that it was really

more about man's inhumanity to man and how horrible people can be to people. And we're seeing it manifest itself these days. Okay. So news is just dropped late last night. Wuby Goldberg has been suspended for two weeks from the view for that discourse. We have a guest joined us today. Okay. This guy does too many things for me to name them all. Don't know.

Don't bother. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Cheap heat here on the ringer network. He's on ESPN radio. He is one of the voices of hip hop on at the one of the mechas of hip hop. Hot 97 in New York.

A friend of the show and, you know, a homie of mine, Peter Rosenberg. Now, Peter, we must say this. I saw Peter's tweet on this. and Peter is just, he's Jewish. So we want to have a discourse here in a conversation about sort of the intricacies that go on into this conversation between black people and Jewish people. And more to the point of where Whoopie might have been wrong, where she was right, and why the sensitivities are so heightened behind it. So, Peter, thank you so much for joining us.

I know it's a heavy topic to talk about, man. What are your thoughts initially after hearing all of that? Well, first of all, you're welcome. And I think it's also very funny that Van texted me and we never discussed what it was about because it was so obvious. Read the text. You're just like, yo, you come on the pod tomorrow. I was like, yeah. So, so, okay, I have a lot of feelings about it.

Mostly what I feel is, is frustrating. that, and this has happened before, that at times people say things related to the Holocaust very often or Judaism in general. And Jewish organizations at times or individuals get so easily upset or offended that they react in a way that is so swift, and strong that I feel the reaction

fosters much more anti-Semitism than the original statement. So in other words, there is a stereotype that you can't talk about the Jews because the Jews control everything. And if you do that, they come for you. I consider that to be a really dangerous thought, right? You know, as someone who's a Jewish person myself

who is not part, of if there is this like Jewish Illuminati, I'm not part of it. So I find that that stereotype to me is super offensive when people act as if, even though, by the way, just like you guys can relate on black issues, I can make jokes about that. But when I hear other people make jokes about it, it does make me feel sensitive. And so when you see an example like this, or it happened with Nick Cannon, where upper management decides like, we are going to hold you over the fire and punish you to me. me, I'm like, what is the purpose here? You're now reinforcing a really bad stereotype.

And in the case of whoopee, what's interesting is, the only thing you could say is that you disagree. You don't agree with the semantic sort of argument she was making. And that's fine. I think, like she said, it was a salient argument. You could have an argument with her where you say, yeah, race, wow, let's get into the construct of that because race as a construct in America means one thing, Hitler with the Aryan race means something else. Okay, like there's an argument and a conversation to be had. The part that I don't understand is what was offensive? And this is a thing that bothers me when these things come up all the time.

Because frankly, I try to project what could happen to me if I said something and people who didn't know me came out and said, oh, he's a racist. Doesn't your history matter? Like, I would hope that if God forbid that happened to me, someone like Van and Rachel will come out and go, nah, Rosenberg, we hear what you're saying he said. That's out of context. You don't know him.

That's how I feel about Whoopi. We know her. We know what her intentions are. We've seen her every day on TV for, what, 20 years of the view? I think of Whoop is practically being an old Jewish lady herself. You know, like from the sort of political stances that she takes, she reminds me of like she'd be a friend of my mom's. You know, so the idea that she would be.

accused of doing something bad and now she has to get this, pardon the phrase, public lashing, I think is terrible. Why does she need a two-week suspension? Who are you appeasing? We know what her intentions are. So I find it all to be really frustrating. And, you know, and of course, for my troubles, I've gotten called a self-hater now and an anti-sumice. Oh, God. Oh, yeah, come on. You know what, you know what people are going to do. But she, like, it's got to stop somewhere. It never stops. It never stops. I was good. Oh, I'm so, I'm so. Sorry. I'm so sorry. No, no, please. Go ahead. Well, I was going to ask you and you just answer my question, do you think she should be suspended? But then you already answered that. So the next question I have is what I find interesting is this show is called The View. And it's about having different discussions and challenging one another and just having an open conversation. At least that's what the show is supposed to be. Don't you think it could have been more beneficial if she wasn't suspended and you and you explained? why people were upset or not upset.

Or you brought someone on, just like we're having a conversation and we brought a guest on, someone who can speak to what was problematic or maybe why it wasn't or why people don't understand this? Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, for me, a two-week suspension

implies someone said something really hurtful and really like almost unabashedly hurtful. And this is an easy, in my opinion, this isn't even that hard a conversation to have. Like, it requires nuance and stuff, but they have nuanced conversations on the view. I actually give them credit. Like they really talk about things on that show on live national TV.

I'll say this. You know, did Whoopi make a mistake? Yes. She made a mistake. She talked too comfortably about an atrocity that's not hers. And that is across all groups. You can't get out and really speak matter-of-factly. If I was to get up and tell you guys, yo, slavery was this.

people are going to feel away. They're going to go, oh, don't, don't tell me what slavery was, bro. Don't tell me. So that was a mistake. We've all made that mistake. It doesn't change her intent. She wasn't, she talked a little too loosely. Why?

Because she's sitting with their friends. She's with Joy Bayard, a Jewish woman. She was comfortable. And so she may be over, maybe she sounds a little too forceful in her opinion on it. And it makes people go, hey, hey, hey, that's my story, not yours. but to accuse her of anti-Semitism in any way, no. So I think for me, I'm not going to say what she tried to say because I think what she was saying was pretty evident, right? She was saying it wasn't about race because the, and these things like Peter said are layered, right?

Hitler certainly thought, and you can read Hitler, okay? Hitler certainly thought that the Jews were a race, a version of humanity less than what the Aryans were. That goes without saying, okay? That was the very basis of the purge of the Jews. That was the basis of the entire thing. Now, there were probably a lot more reasons why he wanted to do that. But the reason that he sold it to people, he ratcheted up their hatred to kill 12 million people. Some of them were six million of them were Jews. Six million of them weren't. Okay. All right. So that the racial

aspect of the Holocaust is just historic. I think though that what Whoopi was touching on was something that blacks and Jews do not talk about enough, which is the fact that there's, okay, I want to say this delicately. There's a pain, a specific pain about being black. right and there's a specific pain about being Jewish the difference between the two is black people can't ever access whiteness and the Jews we know here in America can right and that wedge and that that schism is alienating to black people sometimes and sometimes they don't want to get put in all in the same in the same container

because whenever we get put in the same container it finds there somehow seems to be a way that we find ourselves to the bottom of that container even amongst the oppressed right so what I heard from a lot of people was like no it's not the same like I would be a TMZ Harvey and Evan

and all of my all like all of my colleagues there they would be like, I'm a white man. And this is what white people do. And this is what white people do. And this is what white people do. They're white and then they're also Jewish. Well, I'm just black.

I'm actually, I'm a lot more than that. I'm black. I'm probably Nigerian. I'm a Louisianaian. I'm a hip hop lover who thinks correctly that 400 degrees is better than reasonable doubt. Like, I'm a lot of things, right? But to America, I'm just black.

And I think a lot of black people have. issue with the, take issue with the fact or don't understand the fact that Jewish people have this deep, deep, deeper, deep, older than America, if we're being honest. History of pain, but then they also get to be white. And so I think that is where Whitney's, that's where whoopi stepped on it. And I also think that's where a lot of the people that came out and that didn't get it, I think that was a lot of their gripe. What do you say to that? Yeah, I think, you know, did you read the article that I posted by my dad?

I did not, but I didn't get a chance to. So when you guys get a chance, I posted it and put up my stories. And my dad talked very specifically about this issue. Right. And it goes two ways. And it's super interesting. I thought what he said. Number one, he was saying that he cannot relate as a Jewish person in America.

to what it is to be black and be judged by your color. You walk down the street. My dad doesn't get seen as a Jew. Like, you know, like he just gets seen as a white guy, an old white guy walking on the street. You cannot identify with that. On the flip side of that coin, for so long, people of Jews have wanted non-Jews

and everyone else to understand that to your point you just made Van, anti-Semitism is a very specific thing. Right. We don't even want to be blended in with black oppression. It's our own struggle. Right. So why now are you like, no, no, no, we want to get thrown into the racism conversation?

Like my dad makes the point in the article, and this has been my dad's whole life. My dad's been writing about these issues for 50 years. That's never been something that Jews have fought for. Hey, please consider us a part of the racial conversation. No, well, first of all, there's a really basic thing to say, which is that like you can't really call Judy a race. I mean, you can convert to being Jewish, first of all, and have it be credible and legitimate. You know, no offense, Rachel told us out, but that's not a thing. And on top of that, there are Jews of all different races, right? Like, so there's some really basic fundamental things

that solve this to some degree. But to me, what's frustrating is like, it's just a semantic. Whoopie's talking about the racial construct in America, because the subject was originally, about books related to race, et cetera. Mouse isn't a book about race. It's about anti-Semitism. And no, listen, on the flip side of that coin, and this is the part that's really frustrating. And I'm guessing you guys have both had this

because you guys both have individual thoughts that may not go exactly with every one of your identifiers. And when we have arguments like that, things get thrown in your face, like people throwing things in my face about not standing up for Jews and, you know, and attacking me for these opinions, because this isn't the first time that I've come out and said, that's not anti-Semitism. Let's chill. I also have come out against anti-Semitism and been utterly ripped by that. And it's been unpleasant. And to be

totally real and honest, it has happened a lot in the hip-hop community. And it hurts. Like, it's not fun to see a tweet from tweets, you know, when I came out and said, I wasn't comfortable with Jay Electronica's album content and some of the things he said talking about the synagogue of Satan. And people with a straight face tell me not to feel away about that. There's an explanation. Why would you feel any way about someone repeatedly saying things about the synagogue of Satan? And then be like, just go read the Christian Bible and you'll understand what it means. Why would that help my feelings on it?

And I have, like, and that, it's hurtful. Like, it really is. I'm not saying it's not unpleasant. It really is. and it's uncomfortable because in hip hop, the black Jewish relationship has long been so complicated because on one side you have like all these Jews who are down from DeBesty Boys, MC search.

Yeah, sure. You know, but then you also have some usury. And the labels and, you know, there's always a little, even when people nicely talk about Leor, you know, the impression they give them Leor, it's still got a little bit of, it's still got a little bit of ethnic growth to that. And if you know Leor in his story,

you understand where some of those troops may come from. But it doesn't make it less comfortable. Bro, just in my day-to-day in hip-hop, the amount over the last 15 years that I've gotten the comments about me being Jewish, yelling out, yelling out on the street to me, saying things like,

yo, man, me and Seif talked about this all the time because Seif witnessed it so many times and would like put his head in his hand because people come to me and like, yo, Rosenberg, man, you're not so bad. for a Jew. That was that's regular. I got that regular. So like just to be clear, anti-Semitism is very real. It is a problem in America always has been. It's been a problem in the

world always has been. But let's call it out when it's real and not when it's someone who's proven herself to be a good person, just saying something that you didn't agree with the way she said it. Van said that he worked with people at TMZ that said they were white and Jewish. Worked. I said worked. He does not work there anymore. I don't work. But he always brings up TMZ. No, because it's a part of you.

It's okay. It's a part of your past. I got to bring up the Bachelorette. It's what we did it, Van. We did it. But Van just brought that up that he worked with people that said they were white and Jewish. When Whoopie was talking, she was saying it's not about race and she was calling white people Jewish. I was reading this article.

and it made me think, does labeling Jewish people as white, do they feel, and this is really a question I have, do they feel that in any way that erases their history or some of the oppression that they suffered related to the Holocaust or even way before that in history? Is that, like, is that why there's a separation between white and Jewish? because lumping them in as white almost seems American in some sense of the word. And this is a question that I thought of I was reading something today. Yeah, no, no, it's a good question.

You know, and by the way, it does get thrown out there. You know, like people will say, like Black friends will joke and be like Rosenberg isn't why he's Jewish. And there is like this joking about it. But at the same time, I always describe myself as white

because that's what my American experience has been. You know, like there's just, there's no getting around that. So to me, I don't feel, I understand not wanting to, if you're Jewish, I understand being a little discomfortable being like, no, no, I'm just white. Because the fact is, I can end up in a room of just white people who if they're all not Jewish, I will feel Jewish and I will feel a little uncomfortable. And that, but it's not the same as a black man walking. Almost all of my Jewish friends, almost all of my Jewish friends have said to me, I'm white around you, but around them, I'm a Jew. And by the way, that's a great way of putting it.

And my dad dropped a gem. But here's a gem on the flip side of that from my dad. Jews will always say, you know, they don't let us in the country clubs too. And you're right. They didn't let us in the country clubs. But you could go swim at the public pool. No one knew you weren't. You were white, but you could still swim at the pool.

Right. You just couldn't get to jump in the, you couldn't join the club, which is shitty. And it's wrong. But it's not the same as being black where you can't jump in the pool anywhere. 1954, 1953. Do you know how much discussion your discourse with your electronica cost? Like that back and forth, because number one, when that dropped, we didn't really have shit else to do. That was like early pandemic.

Early pandemic, yeah. And then I've heard him say that in other records, right? Yeah. And I knew exactly where it was coming from because I, when I was a kid, I actually asked my mother, that's, I asked my mom like what a synagogue was. And she goes, well, that's where Jewish people go to church, but we're not talking about them. Like, that's not what we're talking about. This is being talked about as like people who, who are saying that there's something that they're really not. Now, I'm curious about this.

Do you think that that's an anti-Semitic bar? I don't here's what's anti-Semitic. Okay. That conversation, which I had to have repeatedly and endlessly, what I kept being told was this isn't about the real Jews. This is about the fake Jews. The problem is most people like, and Jay and I haven't discussed this in a very long time, because we used to argue about these things in person.

Now we haven't spoken in years, but I can't say Jay. People who are fans of Jay and who came after me, the problem is this. They're saying, no, no, that's not about the real Jews. That's about the fake Jews. Who are the real Jews? Well, the real Jews are black. What am I?

You're a fake Jew. So it is me. So then my thing is this. I'm stuck in this awkward position. and this is how I say it. I'm the last person who's going to argue about whether or not the original Jews were black.

I don't, why would I, that would be cool. I don't have any, I don't have any downside. But if you want to consider me the fake Jews, okay, I'm, I'm the kind of Jews whose family were thrown in ovens. I'm that Jews. Call us to fake Jews. Call us to fake Jews.

I'm among the six million fake Jews, right? Those were, when my mom, mom was born in a displaced persons camp in Germany. It's because her and the other fake, quote, fake Jews were all under attack and getting killed, right? So it's this very hard thing where they literally say to me, and this line always makes me want to like, I don't even know how to respond. You Rosenberg, it's not anti-Semitic because anti-Semitic doesn't even make any sense because it's not, it's not about Jews.

It's anti-Semitic, people who are Semetic. And that's not Jews. And I'm like, but guys, we're playing, again, more semantics games. anti-Semitic in America means you don't fuck with Jewish people. You know what I'm saying? So to answer your question in a really long way, I don't know about the specific bar specifically,

but when you add up all of the imagery Jay uses, it starts to feel a little uncomfortable. If I'm being honest, I think if it was in reverse about someone else's group, they'd go, man, there's a lot of evidence to make me go, oh, no, no, don't worry, he's not a racist. Like, you'd be like, oh, okay, well, there's a lot of, sure a lot of stuff.

around that makes me feel like it's a racist. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I know it's crazy is, you know, we're definitely in the wheelhouse of what we're talking about. Those are the conversations that I would pay to see. But I would pay this. What I would pay to see is a forum where we just discussed that. J. Electronica is probably my favorite rapper of all time. Wow. Your takes are through the roof, by the way. He said that before on the show. for sure. Hey, Rosenberg, Rosenberg,

on talent alone, I'm not talking about body of work. No, no, you're not. He's not going to agree with you. I'm not talking about body of work. I'm not talking about disc, I'm talking about on talent alone. Jay Electronica is the best I've ever heard.

Him and Andre. On talent alone, he's the, him and Andre are the best I've ever heard. I guess I just, I don't, he's very, very good. To put him in the ilk, to jump him over some of the people you just jumped him is so, I just don't, like, Andre, it's such a no-brainer. I hear it's all so clear what makes him that special.

Jay is really dope to me. He's not nearly as versatile or, I don't know, pleasant a listen is Andre. Like, I just don't want to listen to Jay all day, every day. But I will tell you, Exhibit C is one of the greatest raps long as ever made. So I ever made. I'll stay. Ever made. The problem is no album came for the next.

next 10 years. And unfortunately, it's very true. So we're totally out of my wheelhouse right now. Just want to, just want to put that out there. So I'm going to bring it.

Go ahead. But I do. The last thing I want to say with, with him is, with Rosenberg is, is look, between us, let's just for the sake of this interview,

say you're not white. Okay. I know you want to be white because, let's face it, Rosenberg, who would, but let's say you're not white. Right.

Let's say that in some way, black people and Jewish, Jewish people could reaccess the alliance that was there, if we're being honest, in the 50s and the 60s. Now, there are a lot of reasons why that eroded. But let's say that there was a way that forgetting about the European-American power structure that exists, just as people talking to one another who, understand what it's like, just to be real with you, to be kicked in your ass wherever you go,

like here in America and then, you know, Jews wherever they've been. How can we stop Deshaun Jackson's situations, then the canon situations, the situations where we seem to be talking past one another while trying to say things that are seemingly empowering to either one group or the other group? because be honest with you. We can talk about what's real and what's not, but black celebrities are afraid of the Jewish community. They are.

Like, they're afraid of the Jewish community. It seems as if Joe Rogan could say, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, on a podcast that's here on this network, Spotify, well, we're recording this, but if that was the K word all over the place, that the reaction would be completely different. And black people see that.

And sometimes there is, is acrimony because of that. But in the last couple of years, I'm seeing the two communities bump heads in a way that I really hadn't seen before. What do you attribute that to? And how do we fix that? Seriously.

Well, man. The first part of that is so deep. You know, like the history is so deep. And there are things that are so complicated. You know, we could spend, we could do an entire podcast just about Lewis Farrakhan and the role that Louis Farrakhan has played between blacks and Jews in America right because that's especially in hip hop

that's a you know so complicated yeah and shout out to shout out to Royce the 5-9 who when when the Sean Jackson thing happened and I was I was attempting to speak about it as best I could Royce called me and to the point you're trying to make was like, yo, I want to know, he was basically just like, I want to understand how Jews feel about Farrakhan. I've been hearing about this for so long. I want to explain how I feel about Farrakhan. I want to know how. Yeah, Roy's just a realist.

Just a quality person. Yeah. Just like Roy's just a good man. Just a good quality person. And so like, yeah, that was the only time I've ever had a conversation, you know, really. an extended conversation. So, but, but Farrakhan is simply one piece of this pie that's really much bigger than that.

And you made a really interesting point like, how would you not feel that way? Like if you were black, how would you not feel that there's a double standard? Because you've never, I mean, I kept joking about Nick that after Nick Cannon had his thing. And by the way, Nick fucked up. He re-released an interview with Professor Griff at a time. It was, I really didn't think it was not a wise move, right? and I was disappointed in it because I love Nick.

But then I was joking afterwards that Nick went so far to apologize. I thought he was about to convert. I thought Nick was going to have a bar mitz. Like, like, damn. Like, and so how could you not have this double standard? Because the truth is Jewish people are very influential across Hollywood. You know, like Jewish people have done really well in that space, you know? And I'm very proud of many of the things that we've done with regard to trying

to bring other groups with us. But at the same time, I mean, am I going to sit that I sit here and pretend that I like the decisions of every rich executive who's Jewish and across field, but particularly in Hollywood? So that's a, I don't know what to say to that. Although, Rogan's an interesting one too, though, right? Because he's said so many different things that haven't led to him. you know what I'm saying losing his situation by the way I don't even when I completely

vehemently disagree with people I never am for people losing their platform even if I'm not a rogue guy but I'm people coming at me like you come at Rogan I'm like yeah I come at what he says I don't come for his job um but yeah I don't know van that's a really deep thought you know like I get why black people would feel away about that and I also would have a basic expectation that just because you know that there are rich, powerful people who happen to be of Jewish persuasion,

that you wouldn't throw that on to everybody else. You know, just like I would, just like I try my best to never do that of any other group. I guess that's all I could really say. But the bottom line is the reason I think it's happening, it's about everything's happening. Come on, bro. It's Trump.

Trumpism. Trumpism turns shit up so hot. that of naturally two of the groups most affected by this shit that has the, yo, Jewish, I know Jewish people. I can speak for myself, members of my family and friends. We have real life conversations. I don't know if black folks do. I've had real life conversations with Jews about like, where is this shit going to go?

Like my family, my brother and his family, they just handled getting their Polish citizenship because we're entitled to it. Oh, I'm on it. Like, I'm going to Vancouver. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, no. They could go down.

Yeah, yeah. And we do have these conversations, by the way. We do. Bro, I'm on it. I got like crates and crates of ammo in here. Like, I'm on it. If it gets sticky and it goes down like that, we out. So like that.

And because both groups feel that way, Couldn't it be possible? That's part of the same reason we're going each other's neck so much because like we're kind of both scared that the temperature has been turned up. You know, and on top of that, we have to deal with, well, no, both of us do. Because fuck, you all got to deal with Kanye. We have to deal with fucking these Jews that are in there too amongst them. And you're like, what the fuck?

You know, you're Jared Kushers, you're Stephen Miller's and these supposed Jews who are all a part of this exact same thing. You know what I mean? I think it's scary for all of us. And I think you make a really great point. The more conversations we can have, you know, it's so corny, but it really is true that like we have way more similarities than differences. And I really wish we could have more conversations like this.

I'm thinking documentary. I'm going to be honest with you. I just had an idea. Hey, hey, by the way. That's it. I know, I know an Oscar. I know a guy who won an Oscar as a producer on a film. And I know a guy.

he's black, by the way, the guy I'm talking about. I know a Jewish guy who is really in like the hip hop world, they could come together and maybe do something. I'm with that. I'm thinking, I'm thinking documentary. I'm thinking, I'm thinking that we're going to talk. How about that? By the way, we should talk.

I've not thought about it. Yeah, we should. I know who I know who could be the narrator for this documentary. Come on. Get me employed. Get me employed. Come on, Peter. You know, he's doing more for me.

He's got to narrate this shit. All right. That, my friends, was the great Peter Rosenberg. Thank you so much for joining us to a Rosenberg. What a fantastic and lightning conversation, my man. Appreciate you guys. This episode is brought to by Whole Foods Market. Spring is here, so celebrate it with fresh, juicy, seasonal produce

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Oh, I have a serious question of the week. It's another one for Rachel. Rachel, I'm doubling down on a van series question of the week this week because I thought about something. I thought we already did it. Oh, you're going to do it twice. Okay. Do it twice. Okay.

Here's the thing. Here's a serious question. All right. You can have one of these services for free for life. These are the four services. Personal trainer, a driver, a nanny, or a chef? Okay. I already knew.

what I wanted before you said it. But the reason the nanny doesn't stick is because you don't need a nanny for life. It's true. But my answer was going to be chef anyway. It's going to be chef no matter what. Easy. Easy. Personal trainer.

That's easy. Nanny. You don't need a nanny for life, but you do need a nanny for like a good 13 years. What a load off of you to not have to worry about what you're going to eat every day, cooking, the time it takes to cook. kid. Like I, if I could have any of those hands down, it would be a chef. They could make baby food for me. If I had like, if I didn't have the nanny, you know what I'm saying? They could prep stuff. Oh my gosh. Chef easy.

Chef easy. Mill plan. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wouldn't have to worry as much about working out because I could make sure I'm eating the right food. Oh, there's, it's a chef, you guys. This is easy. It's a chef. I don't know what the other ones were. Donnie, Trudy, what do you say? Right. Okay. It's a shot. Yeah, definitely chef. But I do want to push back on the not needing a nanny for more than 13 years. Like you might need a nanny later in life if you're lucky to reach an old age. Like you could bring a nanny back. There's a gap there. There's too big of a gap there, Donnie. Too big. That's true. But that's a good point. That's a really good point. No, not yet. Hold on. Don't you think we would have talked about that already? Nobody on the podcast has kids? Trudy does Trudy All these niggas is my son

Slang Oh my God Triggered Triggered She did it Oh my God Trudalicious No she laid it up

I had to She's doing it out So here's the thing I think We're going to put this out And Trudy When you put it out I want you to put the little

graphics Okay I think we put this out I think a lot of people are going to choose Nanny. What's your choice? Personal trainer. Everywhere. Personal trainer everywhere.

Everywhere I go, personal trainer. But I will empower this personal trainer to do physical violence to me. So when I'm reaching, get your fat ass out that goddamn Frigaria. Give you 12 crutches. We got a little nugget for you guys. We just, this is your president talking, your president. Joe Biden. Joe Biden was talking to a group of people today.

He was on camera because he's the president. And he took the time to shout out one of the most honorable Americans in the entire world. Run the clip. I'm Vice President Harris, Majority Leader Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Mitch, I don't want to hurt your reputation, but we really are friends. And that is not an epiphany. having here at the moment. We've always, you've always done exactly what you've said, your man of your word and your man of honor. Thank you for being my friend. When you think about all that Mitch McConnell has done and continues to do, how can you not be unsettled listening to a man that we

helped extremely influential in getting into office? How can you sit there and not be extremely disturbed by that? That wasn't necessary. There was not. There was nothing to be gained from that other than for Mitch McConnell himself. And for you to skip over a Chuck Schumer or whoever else and to sit there or stand there and say that about Mitch McConnell, a man of honor. What is Mitch McConnell done that's been honorable? A man of his word, he is. His word is.

So here's the thing. Everybody's going to get all pissy about it. Oh, Van, you understand politics. These guys are all friends. No. This is the way it goes in Washington. Van, you overreact. I'm not about to overreact.

My point is just why. Exactly. That's my point. Exactly. So I just like, I'm not going to overreact. I'm not going to be like, fuck Biden. None of that. I just have a very, very, very, very small question.

why? Just why? And the question is why? It's like because, okay, is sucking Mitch McConnell's dick on that podium right there? Is that going to get Mitch McConnell to do anything that you want him to do? No. Exactly. But do you know what it's really going to do?

Alienate your base. So the question again is why? is smacking him on his ass right there going to get him to vote differently in the violence and police. Is he going to get him to stop filibuster and everything that we're trying to do? No, it's not. The only thing it's going to do is hurt you. So a question once again is just why. And it's also insulting to us.

I'm sure he's not your enemy. So you guys have been great friends, but he's definitely my fucking enemy. I'm not the president. They're definitely rights that I don't have. I'm sure you guys kick it and play golf and do whatever down in the basement at Camp David, eating fucking ice cream with waffles on it. All kinds of, I bet it's great to be the president. Think about it.

You got a chef you can make to make whatever you want. I'll be in there and be like, yo. See? A chef. Shout out. See? A chef. Once again, proving our point.

Bro. Proving your point. A chef. A bro. Make me a bacon wrapped popsicle. Yes, Mr. President. Whatever. and they down there let Miss McConnell

Let Let Mitch McConnell do all that I'm sure you guys are cool but we ain't cool dog I'm not going to spend too much time on it I don't want you guys to get mad every time I criticize Democrats the Democrats you guys get mad You guys say hey Vang fuck you you overreacted I'm not overreacted I'm just saying doesn't seem like no no no for all those people

who want to say that to this Answer the why explain to us how Biden's saying that is good for the party is good not even people in the party people just who voted for him someone explained to us why for all the people who might criticize that all right Donnie it's time it's mailback time do it do it do it do it go come on hurry up we'll have time mailback time time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them oh it's mailback time

Write us with your queries and we'll chime in. Okay. Jose Suave 245 asks, what's the craziest thing you've ever seen happen in church? Hand job. Okay. One, I can't top that. Fact.

Woman with her hands in a guy pants. Saw it. They looked like they were drunk, though. I'm not going to lie. How old are you? Oh, this is always grown. Oh my God. Was that in L.A.?

At an L.A. church? Okay. Wow. Did they know you saw him? Did you tap them on the shoulder? I'm not sure. She had like a pink dress on. They both looked sort of disheveled.

But maybe they had just coming off the street. They were sitting behind me and I heard like a clack, clack. Because like she had fallen down and then he got up and they were laughing and and now look back and she had her hand in his pants. Oh my gosh. I mean, I was going to say. Handy J. Not the current church that was featured on.

the bachelor, not the current church that I attend virtually, but the church growing up, craziest thing was the pastor standing up there and letting us know that he had just impregnated one of the, why can I talk? One of the people in the church. Congregation members? Thank you.

Congregation. Yeah. Yeah. Why? I mean why. Like, this was like a scandal? Yeah. He got removed after that.

Why? Why? Why did they remove him? And what's wild is... Hold on. Why remove him? Okay, we had a very similar conversation with this with, oh boy. What's his name? Carl Lentz. Carl Lentz. There's a certain...

You're not supposed to be perfect as a pastor, but how can you stand up and lead a church when something... It's not saying that you have to be kicked out from the church, but you're not fit to lead when you're married and then you're impregnating and it wasn't he impregnated one he was sleeping with several he impregnated someone in the congregation right how can i can i follow your lead when that's what you're doing nobody's kicking you from the church nobody's kicking you out the door but what they're saying is you're not fit to lead at this point like david had a man's wife was david was david leit was david the pastor of a church he was he was the king. He was the king.

That's a totally different thing. Being a king is not the same thing as being a pastor of a church. It's much more responsibility. Not necessarily based in religion. It's true. All right. Next question. El Foxy asks what fast food chain has the best chicken sandwich? It's Popeyes.

Unfortunately, it's just very true. I don't eat chicken. I don't eat chicken sandwiches. There's something about the idea of an oversized nugget that bothers, doesn't sit right with me that I can't eat. So I don't know. I'll go apart. What's your deal?

You can't eat a chicken sandwich? That big chunk of meat, it's an oversized nugget. Somebody said that to me once. Somebody said that to me once and I've never been able to unsee it. You know how picky of an eater I am. That's all I needed to hear. Next question. Three million thoughts.

asks what Jeopardy category would you sweep? None of them. I said a couple of them I could sweep. I could sweep Star Wars. I, Star Wars, especially Star Wars movies. I could sweep the MCU. I could sweep.

See, is there anything not having to do with entertainment that I could sweep? I might be able to do something if they're like words that start with this or words that rhyme with this. Because then they're going to put a geography question. I'm so bad at geography. So those are the ones I could do. Okay, next question.

Sarah Heloso asks, if you had to donate all of your money to one cause, what would it be and why? Jason Wilson and the cave of Adelham transitional teaching institute for young black boys. I wish they could be one in every single. city. I wish we could have them all over the place. I'd give billions of dollars to them. The cave of a dullum, young black man, self-defense, emotional

maturity, all of those things teaches them to cry sometimes and sometimes you've got to cry. I wish they were everywhere. The question is one cause. It would definitely be related to education and mentoring. So maybe I would do the

Boys and Girls Club. I don't know one specifically which one I would do, but it can't just be education. It would have to have a form of mentoring with it because I just think that's so key. It makes it way more personal. That's true. It's true. All right, last one. All right, from Nessa Castiano's. She asks, how would you like to see companies truly honor Black History Months? I don't know. Give money. I'll even want no product. Money, education, and research, right? Don't just give money, but like the training, the knowledge, the education, the tools, equipments, equip them with that as well and the money.

Both. Both. Money. Or how about this? This to all companies out there if you really want to show that you about it. Just for February, name a Black History Month CEO. Make a black person, the CEO of your company. And then let us go around and change shit up.

That's a gift that keeps on giving you around. everybody get June teeth off I hire all my people all my cousins everybody gets a job you know what I mean but all of this dumb shit putting the dashiki on the products that's not gonna work

I don't I'm not interested in that do you have a problem if they use colors because that is what Bath and Body Works did they use colors they use black red yellow green that's what they did you have probably that can be honest with you

Look around this room. Look, look, look, like, I got Willie Roe from the Saints over there. I got an LSU helmet. I got my dad's Larian. I got a bookshelf. I got a bunch of watches. All kinds of stuff. I got ring lights like a thought.

I got all kinds of things around here, right? All of this. Do you see any fucking red, black and green shit? We got some African-American art out there. You know what I'm saying? We got, we got, don't get me wrong, but you see. Like, no. Oh, man.

Be regular. Right. Like just do your thing. Look, and don't do it with the colors. How about this? How about take, how about this? Take some of those products and do a whole section of products. And maybe they're doing this from young, black, female business owners.

They're to spotlight them for the month. Put their stuff front and center. Their product. Their regular product. That's good. Yeah, stuff like that. Stuff that actually helps raise awareness for stuff that black people are doing every day. Stuff that's going to last longer to February, man.

That's the only thing I say. Not to nitpick, you know, we get everybody trying to learn the right way to do it. But I don't know, bro. Just put Charlie Brown in a coofy and then say it's a black Charlie Brown. Nah, man, we want our own cartoon. All right. That's enough of mailbag. The last question pissed me off.

Do you have an unexpected outline of the week? Yeah. Robin Thick. Yeah. And Kim Jong. Now here's the thing. They did. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

Is that how you say his name? Seriously. Is it Ken Jong? Ken Jong. Yeah. Robin Thick and Ken Jong. Yeah. Go ahead. What are you saying now?

Well, yeah. If you guys didn't know, it's been reported on the mass singer that Rudy Giuliani was unmasked. And when the judges saw who was unmasked, Robin Thick and Kinjong walked off set in protest. Good for now. Now they came back and finished the show. So maybe it's half. They get half a point for being an unexpected ally of the week.

But they at least, unlike Nicole Schwerchen, Schwerchen, Zerger. Sorry, I'm messing that up. And Jenny McCarthy. Hold on. Nicole Scherzinger. Scherzinger. Nicole Scherzinger. Shurzinger.

Unlike Nicole Scherzinger and Jenny McCarthy, who sat there. and, you know, bantered with him until they came back. So at least they got up and were bothered by what? I had a Nicole Shurziger phase, man. Well, you need to stop today. Little too skinny for me back then. Not body shaming, but you know how like, oh, you know what I'm saying? I'm heavy weight.

All that are heavy weight. You know what I was at 1.40 and up. It was like, that's not even all. will we go in. I like, I'm from the South, baby. Woo. You know what I'm saying? Come on. You know, one-fording up. That's a lightweight. That's a lightweight category. Oh, wait. Racially sleep. Bye, y'all.