Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Cam Newton Argues With a Camper and Deion Sanders (Maybe) Got His Stuff Stolen

Episode Date: February 23, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss recent pictures of Clare Crawley and Dale Moss together (2:00), Cam Newton’s argument with a camper at his 7-on-7 tournament (10:00), Deion Sanders allegedly getting his belongings stolen after Jackson State’s victory (21:00), new details coming out about Malcolm X’s death (28:00), and Lakeith Stanfield’s bizarre feud with Charlamagne Tha God (46:00), and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Our learning is on. It is I, Van Lathan. And it is me, Rachel Lindsay. I'm feeling, you know, I was a little down last time, Van. I feel good. I feel refreshed.

I needed a weekend. And you know what else I needed? What did you need? The thought warriors and the community that we have. I can't tell you how many thought warriors reached out to me, uplifted me. They did. Said they felt bad for me.

They heard me. Told me to keep going. Send me words of encouraging. I wish I could respond to you all, but I'm responding to you here to let you know that I, that I saw it. So thank you. How many of them did you respond to? Van, let's not ruin the moment. You said you couldn't respond to you said you couldn't respond to them all.

I know you can't respond to them all. You got a big following. The question is, how many did you respond to? Way to bring me down, Van. I'm not trying to bring you down. But you called me help. I'm like, it was really. You will feel you called me out when I'm about to tell you the number.

Zecalo? Zeclolo, zero? Two. Two. Okay, that's okay. You responded to some people. I wasn't trying to call you out. I mean, compared to the number that wrote, but I, you know, I'm doing it here because I know, I know we come here to listen to each other.

So, you know, how many? Irrelevant, irrelevant. Yeah, it's, it's fine. It's fine. Listen, the reality is that your energy in the last podcast was somebody. It was understandable, by the way. The energy of someone who's been through, you know, the ringer. A couple of days.

Nice word. There you go. Shout up, Jeff. I love it. Somebody who's been through. And it makes sense. You're a human being. You're a human being.

But you were able to get your mind off all of that stuff and kind of get back to things this past weekend. You know who else is getting back to things? I saw this. People keep sending me his pictures. who? Chipp and Dale. Oh, yeah. Chip and Dale are getting back to things. I don't think they're getting there.

I think they're already there. They're back. What are your feelings on this? Oh, I might not say too much. What are your feelings on Chip and Dale getting back together? Clearly, I have spoken out about Dale, right? I've said he's not going to be Michael Stringham. I've said he's in this for the fame. I said he used my poor girl, Claire.

And I stand by those statements. I'm not going to take it back just because I've seen them, you know, flaunting their relationship in Florida and having a good time. My girl looks happy. I'm happy for Claire. I will say I spoke with Claire about two weeks ago. And I'm just a little shocked. That she's bad.

What I'm now seeing. That's all I'm going to say. Yeah. It's interesting. People send me the pictures of Chippendale on the beach. I saw them. Have you seen these pictures? I have.

I've seen the pictures them on the beach. Chip looks happy. She looks happy. Dale, not as much definition as I think. I gotta be honest with you. As in his body? I thought Dale would be more cut.

So he's been eating his feelings, is what you're saying. I think we're on our way to pot belly Dale. Okay. I'm being honest. Everybody saw the pictures. I saw the picture.

And only one person responded this way. Because this is the way it starts. here. What people don't understand is what happens when people get famous. When people get famous, all the pleasures of the world start to become a little bit more available to you. Yes.

See, now what's probably happening in, Dale, Dale was probably before he was getting his cardio in. You know, he was doing the ab roller. You know what I'm saying? He was doing the he was doing lots of toning, right? Because he was doing low weight, high reps, because he likes to keep his cuts, right? Sure.

But now, Dale goes on The Bachelorette, he becomes like a big deal. What's probably happening now is people are saying, hey, people from Gold Belly are reaching out. See, this happens for real. Like, right now, I'm trying to lose weight, right? I've picked up 15 pounds since the pandemic.

I'm trying to lose weight. Okay. Here's the thing. There's a guy that works for Kellogg's. Shout out to him. Okay. He liked the other podcast that I was doing with the ringer way down in the home. Oh, I saw Webe today.

Where did you see? Where was he at? Just around L.A. I was driving up and I was like, Right. Like I hit the meme. I was like, that's where I. I once saw him at a 7-Eleven on Fairfax and Pico.

You know, you just see these guys around. The wire actors, you just see them around L.A. It's a lot of different people. So this guy is going to, he's got cups for me and Jamel. I still have to give Jamil a cup. And then he goes, you know, I also work for Kellogg's. He goes, what Kellogg's products do you like? And I was like, well, what are the Kellogg's products?

And he goes, oh, we have Pop-Tarts, we have Pringles, we have Cheez-It's. And I was like, well, I like all three of those things. I like Pop-Tarts, I like Pringles and I like cheeses. I thought he'd send me a couple of boxes of all of these things, right? No. Hell no. Hell no. He said literally like 60 boxes of Cheez-It's.

He sit like two or three cartons, like huge things. of Pringles. And then he sent all of these Pop-Tarts and the Pop-Tarts were unfrosted. But great guy. So you didn't like that. Great, no, it's great. Fine. Whatever. Well, great guy. But what I'm saying is that's what's happening to Dale right now.

There was probably going to the drive-through or he's and he's trying to get a salad, but people are like, yo, I put two extra woppers in there for you, Dale. And that's probably why he doesn't have any sections in his stomach right now. It's like he's... Okay.

That's not what's happening. I'm just saying. I personally think he wasn't getting those box of cheese-its and pop tarts and whatever else you pringles that you name. I think that people turned on Dell. You know, after Dell autographed his apology, people turned on him. He thought that people would be on his side because a lot of people really talked about Claire, but they didn't. They were Team Claire. I think that there's something going on here with Dell.

But as I learned a long time ago, you do not get involved. in other people's relationships. My girl looks happy. Great. She's happy. I'm not offering what I think she should do with Del. You know, good for you, Chip and Dell. What I'm telling you is, Dale, I've just,

Dale, you're in great shape. You look great. You're a very, very attractive man. I'm telling you, Dale, it happens quick. Dale. You sound like a scorned man. Like, how old is Dale? Like 31, 32?

I don't know. I was 360 Duncan at that age. I'm telling you Dale right now. Dale, it happens fast, bro. Now, I'm on the road back. I'm doing good. I lost nine pounds last week. Nine.

That's in a week? Wow. Come on, baby. When we do it, we do it, we do it. We'll be back. We'll be back to tip-top in no time flat. But I tell you one thing, Dale, the road down is very delicious. Just be careful, bro.

The road down. Just be careful. I wonder if, let me ask your question. Do you think that Claire would stay with Dale If he packed on I do I do He packs on 50s

Yes Claire is loyal Claire is faithful Now if you ask me If Claire did Would Dale stay? No So if Claire If Claire just

You know If she had a little bit more You don't think Because Claire Claire got some curves now Claire kind of fine I'm not a lot Yeah she's beautiful

Yeah Claire Claire got it I'm not going to lie I'm not going to lie It was hard to see on the show sometimes Because they I don't know Sometimes the women on the show

It seems like they They dress too I don't like gowns I don't think That's how they That's how they want the Bacheloretts to be What they want them to be in Like very patchy gowns

I don't like the gowns I don't think gowns are very flattering I can see that because they're heavy The thick material Right right Is it Do women Do guys still look at a woman in like a gown and think, damn, she look good?

Like, because she's got a gown on. Because it's almost like they're glamorous, right? Like they're, you're almost idolized when you're in the gown. Like you're perfect. You're on a pedestal. Like you can't be touched. I feel like that's how they see you. I was telling everybody, I was like, you know, I don't look like this in real life, right?

I just, we just need to get on the same page. Right. You will never see me like this again. Yeah, yeah. Well, good for them. I hope everything works out with Claire and Dale. How it should. I just can't believe I say Claire, Chipendale.

I hope that, but more than anything, I hope that everybody's in this for the right reasons because it's not fair to play with people's emotions like that. Thank you. Yes. It's not fair, Dale. Dale, come on, Dale. Keep it real.

Keep it real. You know, it's okay. It's okay to have some hog and dyes every night and again, Dale. But remember, you got a brand now. Just be careful. Now, let's take a break. Did you know about one and three people with plaques psoriasis may also develop psoriotic arthritis, which causes joint pain, stiffness, and swelling?

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And he was getting trolled by one of the kids there. The kid was calling out the cam saying that Cam was ass, and that Cam was a free agent that he wasn't on. on the team. I'm not going to say the young man's name just because it's a kid. Jessif. Wow. Jessif.

Oh, so you think he's about now. So it went viral and everybody was praising Cam. I saw it on like a major, somebody put it on Twitter. It wasn't like it was even a troll. Like some actual publication put it on. I didn't realize it was a secret. So what he was basically telling Cam is like, Cam was like, I'm rich. I'm rich.

And he's like, yo, you're about to be poor because Cam Newton doesn't have a team right now. He's on the backside of his career. I think everybody at files football knows that. But this kid got a lot more hate than I thought that he would. And people were really like coming to Cam Newton's defense. The young man has since apologized. As he should. And he was saying, okay, so I'll tell you what the apology said.

Yeah, his name is Jesseth Owens, like you already said. He said that first and foremost, I want to express my deepest apology. deepest apologies to Cam Newton my entire org, my coaches, and my coaches for my actions at the 7-on-7 tournament. So it was a 7-on-7 tournament this past weekend. I did not intend for it to get as far as it did. First off, I would like to start off by saying my parents never to.

First, you already said first, bro. Second. That's the first thing, man. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you know what I got me saying it. He's a kid. No. He said first, and then he said first again. It's second now, bro.

Pay attention to the books as much as you do to the field. All right. Second, one plus one is two. Okay. So second, what you should have said, I would like to start off, you're not starting off. You already start. Man, I'm saying. I'm getting lost.

By saying it was by saying my parents never taught me to people disrespectful, to talk to people disrespectful. As a football player, I let my competitive side get the best of me. and it was a huge miscommunication, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you think that publicly... Why did we even read this apology? I know, it's whatever. Do you think that publicly flogging this child for talking shit to a grown-ass millionaire

is appropriate on Twitter, Rachel? You think... Why? Make me understand this. Like, this is a kid. Well, one, I didn't see, like, the flogging, as you said. But here's my thing. He was trying to be fun.

He was trying to do something for the gram. He was trying to go viral. And this is what happens when you try to do this. You know, he had his friends filming it. He was taunting. He was heckling cam because he thought he was trying to have his moment. And I feel like that's what this generation does a lot of. Everybody's trying to have their one viral moment.

It's almost as if that's what they aspire to, right? Like, we just want a moment. We want to become popular because of this. We want to have this dance, this video, this saying, whatever it may be, this song. I feel like it was warranted because the kid needed to be taught a lesson. And sometimes you need to be taught a lesson in a hard way. Basically, people were doing to him what he did to Cam. I don't care if Cam is rich.

If Cam has this successful career, yes, he's on the back end of it, but let's not take away from what he did it on the front end of his career. Like, this man was using his time. and his money to put on a camp to encourage and uplift young black man. And then this dude, what he thought was funny, tried to come at camp. And it wasn't funny. And I, and I, 100% think that he should be, you know, called out for this type of behavior. And I'm confused as to why you don't.

I don't care. How old he? What was he? 15, 16? He's a kid. He's how old. How old was he? Look, he's class of 2022.

However old. Yeah, however old, that makes it. Old enough. 16 or 17. He's old enough. He can drive. He's a kid. You act like he's 10.

If he was 10, it would be a different thing. He's 16, 17. Nobody else was heckling. Nobody else is out there. I got to be real with you. I liked it. I liked that type of time. Then why you feel sorry for him?

Because I expect that from kids. What I don't expect is. for adults to baby a grown man. Like, oh, look at this kid abusing Cam Newton or whatever. Cam Newton, here's worse than that from adults all the time. It was a teaching moment. No, it could have been a teaching moment. Well, Camtrak.

That's not what we made it. It could have been a teaching moment. What we made it is a public ridiculing of a kid. I really didn't see all of this because, you know, I'm not as, immersed in the Twittosphere. But I felt like Cam tried to make a moment out

of it. Like Cam reacted like at first when Cam was like I'm rich I'm rich I was like okay chill out like I didn't like that but he quickly turned his response into like let me talk to your dad and then he put out the second video where he really tried to make something good come about it

I think it's babying him this child as you like to say which is a teenager If he's 17, he's legal in some states, okay? Wow. 17. Wow. Babying him would be.

Wow. Time as an adult, Rach. Triumph as an adult. Babying him would be to excuse this type of behavior. He's old enough to know better. Babying him is to let this go. Oh, he's just a kid. No, you're old enough to know better.

You're looking at colleges. You're looking at your next career move, possibly. If you don't go to college, trade school, something, you're about to be out the house. Can't baby this type of behavior. You don't talk to people this way. If he was 10, 11, 12, okay. So I'm looking at Justin Owens right now. He is the 86 ranked player in Pennsylvania as it stands right now.

And he is 2,600 nationally. Okay. So what star recruit is he? Sounds about a three. I'm not sure. Probably about a three. He's maybe like a three. but they don't have it really ranked here because I'm on max preps.

He's six feet, one 96, so good size. He was a sophomore last year, so he's going into his junior year. What's his position? He is an outside linebacker slash running back. Okay. So he's kind of a tweeter, a guy like that. So he seems like he might have a future in the sport because he's sophomore. His body is just starting to develop and stuff like that.

Look, here's my only thing with this. My only thing is, I expect the kid to make the kid mistake. I expect the kid. They're always kids like that. And I like that more. If I was a coach, I'd be more sort of enamored with him now. Because I remember back when we used to be playing pickup basketball and the guys from no limit records would come out there.

There were two types of guys that would come out to play. There were two types of guys that would react. There are two types of ways, shall I say, the guys would react to playing with C murder and P and the rest of those guys. One way is just to be on their nuts. Everything, just to be on they nuts. Oh, my God, great pass, Master P. Oh, God, what a great screen, C murder.

Hey, don't worry that you've shot 10 times in a row and bricked whatever. I'm not going to say who's doing that, but there was one guy out there from the camp that would be doing that. You'll get them next time. You'll get them next time, no limit, soldier, man. All right, I hate that shit.

when I see them on the court, I want a scalp is what I want. That's what I want. Is that who you were? Yeah, that's how I was. Tell me some of the things you say to Mr. Mel. If I see you on the court, I want to scalp. I want to do you.

Tell me one of the things you would say to Mexican. It's not about doing it. It's about playing as hard as possible and competing at the highest level. And not just them, but when the LSU basketball players will come to catch him in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where I'm from.

sentence on this podcast. I know some guys would be all on their nuts. Oh, hi, Randy Livingston. Hi, how are you? Oh, it got passed from Randy Livingston. Oh, yeah, daddy. No, I want to scalp. Stop.

I want to put you in the dirt. It's not I might not get a chance to play against you again. And that's kids saw Cam. And he's talking his shit. It went too far, right? Like, if he had said it once, maybe twice, and he got to laugh, okay. But he kept going and going.

And it was like, all right, bro. Like, just chill out. It's not funny anymore. He probably been waiting. He probably been waiting all month as soon as the camp happened, like knew what he was going to say. Like, I don't know. I just didn't like it.

All you got to do now. You just got to go out and back it up. Just Seth Owens. You got to back it up now. You got to get out of the 80s. Yeah. You got to make it now. You got to step in the top 100 in the country.

In the 2600? Now you got to make it. it. Because if we, if we fast forward three years and you putting out rap videos on YouTube, everybody's going to clown the shit out of you. If you, if you J-O. the flamethrower, rapper from Pennsylvania or whatever, if that's what you're named, nah, you got to make it now.

All right. Now, other kids, I'm saying, like, he's got to, he's put that pressure on them. I'm just laughing at the rap name that you gave. J-O. J-O-J-O-the-Flame. These right names are dumb now. Don't act like, don't act like these names are dumb. This guy out there called Spotter. Got him. This is Spottom got him.

This is June Buck Challenge. All right. Let's see here. Let's move on from that. Hold on. That was a terrible transition. Yeah, did you see what happened? Speaking of football, let's stay on football real quick.

Dionne Sanders. Did you see this? What happened? Dionne Sanders? Yeah. Yeah. You guys? I feel like we're going to disagree on this one, too.

We're going to disagree about, so Dion Sanders. I don't know if you guys know who that is. this is this former NFL Hall of Fame. I would hope that you would know who Deon Sanders is. He's a new coach of Jackson State University. Jackson State had their first game. They won. I think it was like 53-0.

Shout out to Jackson State. Southern University is better, but shout out to Jackson State. And Dion, apparently, after the game, gave a press conference where he said all of his stuff got stolen. They stole all of his credit cards. It's phone. His phone. Yeah.

And all that stuff like that, it got stolen. Then, miraculously, later, It's very miraculous. Miraculously later, it came back, and then they said that they misplaced this stuff. They found all of this stuff, and Dion was mistaken. Dion says he's not mistaken about anything.

Dion says his stuff got jacked. He's very upset about it. How can we disagree on this? Like, what's the deal? I didn't like the way that he went about announcing that. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying that he shouldn't be upset, obviously because he said a second time that it's happened.

But like, you just want 53 to zero. You're doing a good thing. You're setting an example by going to an HBCU, like giving back to HBCUs, bringing awareness, talking about what these players and these athletic programs need, what they don't have versus some of these D1 schools. And then you want to get in a press conference and announce to everyone what goes on in an HBCU. Not once. But twice. Like, come on, man. Keep that to yourself.

Wait a minute. Nobody in that press conference was going to help. You find your wallet, your keys, your phone. It just opened up the door for them to, like, give people the opportunity to judge the athletes they go to the school, the people that are affiliated with Jackson State, and the school itself. Like, we're trying to uplift HBCUs and you want to make a public service announcement that your stuff got stolen. I just felt like it could have had Leave it to the authorities, right? Nobody, you announcing that was not going to help you find your stuff. It wasn't.

Okay. So what you're saying that he should- He humiliated them. He publicly shamed it. You're saying that Dion should have took that one for the culture. No. No.

I'm just saying tell the authorities, right? Like go to the authorities. My stuff got stolen. Make a report and keep it moving. He came in there, like, came in there, sat down, grabbed the microphone. It's like, what's wrong, Dion? Stuff got stolen.

It's just, yes, it's painting the fine. Take one for the culture. However you want to phrase it, to me, to me, it didn't serve any purpose. There was nothing that could be done. All you were doing was just speaking bad. And you were angry and I get it. And he was frustrated. I understand that.

And sometimes people take out their frustration in the wrong way. I know I'm guilty of it as well. But come on. Like people are going to think a lot of people don't know a lot about Jackson State. Now they're going to be like, Dion Sanders went to be, the head coach, and they steal and stuff folks, they still in stuff there. They're stealing from people.

I can't talk. I can't talk. They're still, yes. So here's the thing. Dion went to Florida State. Yes, he did. Dion went to Florida State. Now, look, I went to an HBCU, Southern University.

I never got anything stolen from me. I never got anything stolen. But from time to time, shit happened. Happens everywhere. But it happens. But that's my thing. There's crime on every single college campus around.

All right? We were talking about Cam Newton. Speaking to Cam Newton, now I'm not even going to bring that up. No, don't see. Don't do it. Don't do it. I'm not even going to bring that up. I was about to bring that up.

I was about to bring that up. I was not even going to bring that up. I treat him like he hasn't made mistakes. Like he hasn't made mistakes. Like he hasn't made mistakes. in the past. All right? Treating Cam Newton like as if there wasn't a mistake that he made.

That has nothing to do with this. Getting on that kid. Getting on that little boy like that. That has nothing to do with this. Let's stick to the issue at hand. Right. But yeah, what I'm saying is there's crime on all college campuses. So when he came out there, I think he was reacting in the moment saying, yo, I got

Jackson's ass, well, he didn't even really get into the fight part. He didn't really get into the exes and holes in the game. He didn't say. No, he did. It was funny. See, that's funny as hell. Deion came in. It wasn't as if, like, he came down and went, you know,

a linebackers played well. We competed well at the skilled positions. Dion goes, no, the victory was cool. But let me tell you what these niggas did in the locker room. That's exactly what he said. Oh, like, seriously, I came back and all of my shit was going. But he got his stuff back. I laughed at first.

I'm not going to lie. It was funny. But then I started thinking about it. And then the poor school came out and made a statement. and he was like retweeted it. And he was like, you're lying. I don't know who told you that, but you're lying. And it was like, come on, Dion.

Like, it just could have been, and I get it. Hindsight's 2020. I'm quick to react as well. But it's just the reaction was wrong. If it happens a third time, let's just not take it out at a press conference. I'll be honest with you. I know for sure.

I know for sure. what Dion just did to himself. Dion has made himself the target of every wolf that is near Jackson, Mississippi. Because that reaction right there, now there's only going to be one thing that's funnier than the first time they jacked Dion.

That's the second time they jacked. This is going to be a running gag. They're going to try to get him now. This will be the third. Remember he said it's happened before? Oh, what they got them before? This was the second time. Oh, my God. Dionne looked like fresh bread out in the Mississippi streets.

Fresh bread. Dionne looks like fresh bread. Wolves get hungry. They got to eat. They jacking Dion. But this is, and this is kind of a lesson for everyone. It was such a high profile thing. When Deion Sanders came to Jackson State, we got to change recruiting, HBCUs.

Yes. There's also a chance. Look, if you've ever gone to an HBCU, if you've been to an HBCU, if you understand the HBCU experience, you understand how beautiful is, but you also understand there are certain things that the schools need help with.

And it's not it's not something foreign to understand. They're underfunded, sometimes understaffed, and surely underappreciated. And having a guy like Dionne Sanders, that high-profile a guy at Jackson State, might draw a microscope to some of those things.

Because Dionne ain't used to them. this. Well, I'm glad he got his stuff back, but come on, y'all. Let's be better. Let's be better. Let's do better. Leave Dion alone. Okay? And his stuff. Something else about that is, what are you going to do with Dionne Sanders' credit cards? Deion Sanders is one of the most... Just to brag and say, you got it. Do you know what I mean? That's probably what it is. He's one of the most famous athletes in the history of the world. I mean, you're going to go somewhere in Jackson, you're going to go to Dillers or something like that and be like, hey, I'm

Dion Sanders. Like, it's just a way. It's just a way. They didn't think it through. They didn't think it through. He's too famous. They intercepted him. They picked him off. All right. Let's take a break.

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to coax two members of Malcolm X's security team into committing crimes leading to their arrest just days before the assassination, taking two guys off Malcolm's security team. He says, I was a black undercover police officer between May 1964 and, May of 1971. I participated in actions that in hindsight

were deplorable and detrimental to my own black people. On the direction of my handlers, I was told to encourage leaders and members of the civil rights groups to commit felonious acts. He said that he was threatened, that he threatened to resign, but that his supervisor said that if he did,

they would charge him with false crimes. The supervisors would say, concocted an alleged plot to bomb the Statue of Liberty that implicated members of Malcolm makes a security deal. detail and led to their arrest, thereby eroding the, I guess, the apparatus around Malcolm of his security and leading to them being able to go inside and then kill him.

All right. This evidence is real. This is, this attempt to bring new information to bring here. It's real. It's real. My question to you is, what if we find out right now? that what we believe to be true, that the FBI and the NYPD plotted and ultimately succeeded in killing Malcolm X.

What if we find out that that was true? Hmm. I asked myself this question when I first saw the story and I was reading about it. I thought that happened in 1965. I'm like, what benefit does this have? Like, what does this really do? But then I thought about it and I said, you know what? In our community, we've been saying for a long time that this was the case,

that he was assassinated, that the FBI was involved with this assassination. And I think, I saw Ben Crump say it's restorative justice. And I think that it gives credit to the things that the black people, have been saying, have been happening to them for decades if this comes to light. There is a distrust of police officers, the FBI, the government of black people. And when this type of information comes to light and we learn more about this, if this is true, then that shows exactly why black people feel the way they do. And I think then you used to have to start doing a deep dive and understanding more about what role the police and the FBI and the government had when it

came to civil rights leaders, to Black Panthers. I mean, we're talking about Judas and the Black Messiah here. The other thing it made me think of is how many William O'Nills and Ray Woods are out here, right? How many were there at the time? Black people who were used by the police department, by the FBI government, whatever it may be, to turn on other black people who felt like they had no other way out. I'm not excusing it, but were threatened that they were going to be arrested

or have certain charges or just be in a worse situation than they already were if they did not turn on their own people. It's really, really eye-opening. What did you think about it? Well, first of all, there are a lot of, forget about Vin. There are a lot of William O'Neills and Ray Woods now.

They'll always be William O'Neill. Sure. And Ray Woods. There'll always be somebody who has a different set of motivations, someone who puts the me over the us. And those are the easiest people to corrupt. Just real quick on that. The reason why solidarity is so important is because solidarity lets you put the collective

good over the personal good. And it gives you a perspective, right? It gives you a set of principles. We talk about things like hypercapitalism or the me, me, me, I, I, I generation of American life. And the real, real danger in that thinking is that it's so easily corruptible. If you are only held to the standard of yourself, then it's so easy for you to be led astray. It's so easy because there's nothing bigger than you. There's no edict.

there's nothing to believe and there's nothing it's only what works for you in the moment and I think people that want to destabilize movements the first thing they have to do is find those people. The people that don't want power to the people, the people that really want power to themselves.

You know? And so in a situation especially like with a with a guy like William O'Neill, you know, you find him, he wants to save his own ass. Not just not only does he want to save his own ass, but he doesn't have any allegiance to anything, right?

So that's kind of what happens. On this situation, so we should say that the Manhattan District Attorney's Office is reviewing this right here. This is all because a book that was written by Ray Wood's cousin called

the Ray Wood's story, it's been published earlier this month, so the book was published, there's some revelations inside of the book, and now we are where we are. So they're really actually looking into this. I think that this is, this really ties in directly to some of the arguments we're having right now.

Over the police's role in our community, over law enforcement's role in our community. It ties directly into some of those conversations right now. So let's say that we know for sure, right, that a government entity or a city entity like the FBI or the CIA directly apply to kill a black person, leader. Malcolm X is responsible for no acts of violence.

Malcolm X, either his time with the nation or his time after that was responsible for zero terrorist acts or anything like that. Now, there are all sort of beliefs that the nation has. There are all sort of things that people that offend all types of people. I'm not excusing any of that stuff.

I'm telling you that Malcolm X was a scholar and a thinker, and he represented black manhood and black strength at a time where we didn't really, weren't able to express that as openly and widely. He led to the rise of people who refused to be treated in a certain way by their government. But, you know, obviously there are some things that Brother Malcolm said that would offend some people.

That's just par for the course. It's the way that it goes. But what I'm saying is, the government didn't have, if the government killed Malcolm X, they didn't have any reason to. the only reason that they would have to kill him is to stop the progression of what they thought was black liberation or a group that was speaking directly to black people.

So I'm not saying that the government ever has a reason to kill anyone, but I'm saying that in this particular, there's no justification for this at all. There was no plot to destroy a bunch of people. There was none of that was happening. Okay. So we have to make sure that people that don't know a lot about Malcolm X's life would not have without a thought.

that. And actually, to that point, at the end of Malcolm X's life, he had taken a religious pilgrimage to Mecca. And he had come back and actually changed a lot of his beliefs. Right. A lot of the ways that he had looked at society before, he had left the nation of Islam. And he looked at things in a more equitable way, was willing to work with different people. Malcolm was evolving to something different than he had been before. Okay. That's not to say that I'm not using that as, oh, Malcolm X had turned better. I'm just saying the Malcolm X that they actually ended up assassinating wasn't even a guy that they should have been as afraid of.

It's not Malcolm X that they were afraid of. It was Black Liberation and continues to be Black liberation that they're afraid of. So I say all that to say that if we've, no, that Malcolm X was killed by the government, then what has to happen is accountability. Like direct accountability. And when I say direct accountability, I mean, the NYPD and the FBI

have to find some way to repay the debt to black people that is left in the absence of that man. What does that look like, though? How can you do that? How can you do that when you took that away from us? I don't even know what that looks like. It's an unpayable debt, but the reality is that it has to be paid.

The only thing that matters in any of these situations is accountability. Do you have any idea, which I'm sure you do, how much different Black American society might be had Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Medgar Evers and those other gentlemen, how they stayed alive. Like even them coming together and saying, like admitting to it, right?

Taking accountability for what they did. Okay, but you can never give back to us what you took away. So I don't know what that looks like. That's the thing. You're right. But then the question is, what does that look like?

Well, the first thing it looks like is a gigantic sum of money to Malcolm X's family because they lost an actual member of their family. Sure. So that's a thing. the first thing. The first thing it looks like is a gigantic

gigantic sum of money to their family, if that were the case, because they lost somebody. There's obviously a huge cultural void, but then there's like a real void of somebody's dad being killed in front of their children. I want people to think about

how horrific this is. This is a father being shot to death in front of his wife and his kids. Okay? Well, I've done anything. So think about that. If we're to believe that this was at the hand of the government, what a horrible thing that is.

And then secondly, we really have to take a hard look at law enforcement's role in this country. We've talked about it before. We talked about terms like defunding, terms like divesting from the police. What we're saying now is that the police are being used as weapons of American white supremacy. And as taxpayers in this country, we don't want to pay. pay into that. We don't want to pay into a bounty on our heads. So we want

some of that money put in places where we can better use it. We don't want to pay people to kill our leaders. We don't want to pay people to kill our brothers and sisters. That's not what we want to do. And if we're paying for it now,

if we always have to pay for it, we want to pay a little bit less to that. And I think people have to see the ways that American law enforcement has been used against the black community. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what I was saying.

I think it gives credit to that. I think, you know, if this comes out to this is the truth and they're able to further prove this, you can see why black people feel the way they do. At least, listen, we've been able to see it. We've known about it. Just like we didn't wake up in 2020 to what's been going on. Other people are just not realizing it.

But sometimes you've got to break things down and make it so simple for other people to, understand. And I think this gives credit to that where people could be like, okay, this has been happening. You know, this is why black people do not trust the police.

Or the government. Or the government. And trickles down into everything, right? There's somebody right now thinking, why would I get a vaccine when the FBI? And you guys don't think that why would I get a vaccine when the FBI killed Malcolm X, you know? And the vaccine is not a government thing, right?

these are private pharmaceutical companies that the government is trying to push it because they want to get their economy back on. But the reality is that this, this, when you have a lack of accountability, like Brilliant Brother Crump said, when you have a lack of accountability,

there can be no trust. Because we don't feel like we're living in an equitable society. I will say something else is, and the last thing I want to kind of say on this is, Jay-Igo Hoover's name should not be on any federal buildings

in the United States. The Jagger Hoover building is the FBI headquarters in Washington, D.C. His name should be taken off of that building. Now, it's one thing to have George Washington's name

on a building, right? George Washington was a brutal and dedicated slavery, but he was also the first president of the United States of America and set a lot of precedents that commanders

and chief still use. he's basically shaped and defined what the American presidency is. You see why he's remembered or celebrated in the way that he is. You see that. That makes a lot of sense. You see that.

In this particular case, if I'm to believe, and we know for a fact, Jericho Hoover tried to get Martin Luther Jr. to commit suicide. Okay? He wrote him a letter, said you have to kill yourself.

We know that J. Edgar Hoover was directly involved, or we suspect, very highly suspected, he was directly involved in orchestrating the death, along with the Chicago police of Fred Hampton. If we think that J. Edgar Hoover's FBI was then involved in Malcolm X being assassinated. If we think that J. Edgar Hoover had anything to do with any of the litany of assassinations,

as he was probably the most powerful man in the U.S. at that point, that happened throughout the 50s and the 60s. If we think that's true, then Hoover is a war criminal. He was the acting director of the FBI for a very long time. He shaped in a lot of ways what that organization is, and I get it. I tell you, the FBI hasn't made enough of a difference in my life, to be honest with you, to where I would excuse anything that J. Edgar Hoover did. J. Edgar Hoover is not, in my opinion, an American worth remembering.

He's not. I'll listen to your arguments about all the other slides. slave-owner and guys that wrote the Declaration of Independence and stuff like that. Intellectually, I can't separate, you know, what the Declaration of Independence means from American society. It's too big of a part of it, right? I can just look and say, remember the guy in a 360 way. Sure, he wrote the Declaration of Independence.

He also raped a woman for her whole life and let his kids live in Slayer. Just tell the whole story. With Jericho Hoover, I don't think the story is that compelling beyond the things I'm talking about. Sure. He ended a run of American crime by cracking down on Baby Fais Nelson and God damn Bonnie and Clyde and John Dilliger and all of those guys. And he was also very instrumental in the former FBI. I get it. But if he cut the head off all of these leaders that directly are involved with our community, and if that's something that's known, I personally think it's disgusting, disgusting that we regard him the way we do today.

Well, because just, and I'm not going to add too much to what you're saying, but just because of what you just said, you mentioned like a Bonnie and Clyde. These are people who were committing actual crimes. Right. When you mentioned Malcolm X, when you mentioned Martin Luther King, these people weren't committing crimes.

These people were just fighting on behalf of their community to better their people. That's it. And you looked at them as a threat because they were trying to make black people better, period. There was no crime committed. Yeah. Yeah, I get it.

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Okay, Judas and the Black Messiah is streaming on HBO right now. It's a great movie. Did you like that movie? Love the movie. Love it. The star of Judas and Black Messiah, Lakeith Stansfield. We had him on this very podcast.

Lakeith Stanfield, he corrected you the first time you said his name. That's a statement. You did. You did. Put some respect on it. Statsville. Oh, sorry. Damn.

Lakeith Stanfield. posted a very weird video to his Instagram yesterday. I don't know if people saw this. It was Lakeith, and he was dancing with a doll. And on his computer, there was a picture of William O'Neill, who's the guy who he plays in Jesus and the Black Messiah. He flipped off the picture of William O'Neill. And then there was a picture of a friend of mine,

Charlemagne the God who popped up on the picture. Why did you roll your eyes when I said Charlemy? Did I? You did? Oh, do you have issues with Char? Keep going. No, I didn't even realize I rolled my eyes. Don't, don't, don't.

I do not have issues. I do not have issues with Charlemagne. No, tell the story. Tell the story. Okay. So, no. The picture of Charlema popped up on a computer. and then he held a gun.

He had a pistol in his hand. The whole time he was doing this, he held a gun up to the screen. Backstory, Lekeith and Shaw have been going back and forth over a couple of years. Shah said that Lekeith was born to play the role of William O'Neill because I guess he says he was born to play that role

as a shot. That was a little scary. Don't you think? You holding guns up to people's faces and stuff like that. I was a little weird. He was also dancing with a doll. So, I mean, you know what I mean? Like, it's wrong, right?

Like, you shouldn't have put a gun to Charlemagne's head, even if it is a picture. But what did you think about Charlemagne's interview with Daniel Kluya and him saying that Lekeith was born to play the role? What do you think? Petty, a little petty. A little petty? A little petty. But look, here's the thing. A little petty.

They've been going back and forth for a long time. No. They've been going back and forth for a long time. It was a little penny. It was a shot. It was definitely a shot. Okay. But that's what I've been happening. But what I have always seen is Charlemagne says something and Lakeith's response.

Not necessarily. When has Lakeith initiated the beef? Okay. So this all goes back to Lakeith's first appearance on the breakfast club. Okay. So he came to the breakfast club. Lekeith had a grill in and he was going back and forth and whatever.

I thought it was a very fun interview. But I think at some point in that interview, Lekeith wanted to rap. So he rapped and Charlemagne, what Chalemaine does on the Breast Club, if you rap and he doesn't like it, he says he's not feeling it, right? Okay.

He's not feeling it. After this, there was some back and forth between them, but I remember one specific time, Lekeith came out and he criticized, he criticized black media outlets like the sheriff. day room, baller alert, and he put the breakfast club in there. He said that they were anti-black, okay? Charlemagne then went on the breakfast club and got at Lakeith about all of the things.

He felt like Lakeith had done that was Cooney or that was anti-Black. Then Lakeith comes back, puts Charlemagne's face on the Sambo thing, and makes a whole disc record and responds, and I thought it was kind of over, but I guess it's not over. it's not over because Charlemagne took his He brought a bat He took his shout at the breakfast club And then now we are where we are

And listen There's an update today actually Charlemagne talked about this On the breakfast club today I just want to bring this as part of it He references the discrackly van saying He said What Lekeith does is he gets online

And plays the victim And he makes it seem like I'm always coming at him Charlemagne said after explaining Why he owed that little jab at Lekeith Following the actress distract towards him Listen Thank you, Jackson. Thank you, Jackson.

Your boy is petty, right? Like, let's just call a spade to spade. Showmeet's messy. It's entertaining. It works for the breakfast club. People, he's the draw, right? Like, you want to hear it. It's like a Stephen A. Smith.

When something happens, it's like, let's go see what Charlemagne has to say about it because he's not going to spare anyone. He's going to be funny about it and he's going to be petty. This, I will admit, when I read it, it sounded a whole lot worse than when I actually saw the interview. Because when I saw the interview and the moment he says to Daniel, don't you think he was born to play this role, everybody starts laughing.

And so it lightens the mood a whole lot more. But it was bad. And I'll tell you why. No, no, it's a major, major insult. I even told Shawman. It's a big time insult. I told him, I was like, he was like, bro, it was a jab. I'm like, dog, that is a pretty,

pretty insulting thing to say. It was because we had Lekeith on here. We talked about the emotional toll. It took for him to play Lekeith. We talked about what that meant the significance of the role, what he had to do to prepare for it. He's been open about seeking therapy after the role. It was a lot.

It was heavy. And it really took the right person and a strong person to be able to play that role and play that role well. You could argue that even though the film was about Chairman Fred Hamper, that Lekeith had almost had just as much almost had a more powerful role in it when you see

I think Lekeith's the lead. Yeah, like when you see what he... The movie is Judas and the Black Messiah. That's true. That's true. I think Lekeith is the lead of the film. So I just think it was out of line because there's just so much more wrapped around this role than say like he played uninformant.

And I just... And Charlemagne had to know. what was going to, what the aftermath was going to be in saying something like this. I mean, surely he didn't know that Lekeith was going to be dancing around with the doll and pointing a gun at him on Instagram, on social media, whatever it was. But this was too far. And I'm glad you told your friend that it was too far. I didn't say it was too far.

I don't think it's too far. Well, what did you say? What did you say? So he was like, he said he was born to plays raw. I was like, bro, do you have any idea how it's sultan that is? like that's super to say somebody is born to be William O'Neill. That's super duper insulting. Look, I don't think it's too far.

If that's how we're playing, then that's how we plan. Listen, but it wasn't the time and place to make that type of joke. It just wasn't. If you've seen the movie, if you understand the significance of the role, it wasn't the time in place for it because what's also the reason it was in time and places because on Charlemagne's part, there was truth behind it. He wasn't just being funny. It was a joke with a little bit of truth in it on his part.

That's what he was trying to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, he feels that way. He feels that way. I guess my thing is, number one, you bring out the gun, no, bro. We're playing with the chappas now, the pistols. We got the, first of all, that's a, It's all going too far.

That was too far. That was too far. Pointing a gun at somebody's like a gun, a gun. That makes me wonder if Lakeith is okay. Like, seriously. These beefs are so stupid. I think it's just so... Wait a minute. You say that.

You've had beefs. You got beefs now. I don't not have beefs. I don't keep it going. I don't keep it going. I don't keep it going. I might not like you. I might not like you.

That's what it is. No, because. A beef, like, you just keep going back and forth, back and forth, taking these jobs. I don't even, I don't even talk about you in that way. Right. I don't. But you have beefs, though. Don't act like you don't have beef.

No, there are people I don't like. They're people you don't like. I don't just because I don't fuck with you doesn't mean I got beef. It's just I don't, I don't have the time of day for you. Right. Well, also, this is a situation where these people, there's two people who don't really get along, right? And they keep coming up in each other's faces. Everybody's got opinions, right?

You say that the breakfast club is anti-black And you're in a big movie where you play a federal Reform and all of that. They keep in this situation that maybe if you had to be, you and Hannah B, y'all got beef. We don't have beef. No, we don't have beef. We're just not friends.

We're not friends. You're talking about this paw by catching the favor. You know what? It takes, oh, I'd stop. It takes energy to have beef. So if I'm not giving you any, you know what I'm saying? I'm not giving you anything. Are you ready for clubhouse chat?

Clubhouse chat. Is this a new segment we're doing on the show? Clubhouse chat. Can I just call you out because... What? I got to call you out. Because a couple of weeks ago, you were like, I'm done.

I'm done with Clubhouse. Elon Musk has been on there too much. I'm sick of it. Y'all, I want you to know it wasn't 24 hours before I got a notification that said, Van Lathen, is it a chat room with so and so? But you know what? And your name's been popping up like crazy.

Sometimes. You're on it, like, three times. You're created rooms three times a day. First of all, I don't create rooms. Oh, excuse me. I don't create rooms. So here's the thing. Here's the thing what happens.

Number one is sometimes I'll get the clubhouse notification and I'll hit it and then it'll just throw me into a room. I don't know. That's one thing to clubhouse. Secondly is my clubhouse crew wants me to be apart Bishop Brigante, Royce the 5-9, Glasses Malone, Lisa, Tracy Lee, mech, the whole crew,

we got a thing on Clubhouse. They want me in these rooms. Like, I'm part of the fabric of our little crew. Sometimes I see you in rooms and those people you just named aren't in them. You never see. That's not true. That's not true. Damn.

Let's see here. You like it. Just, just embrace it. It's fun. It's fun sometimes. Sometimes it's too much. All right. Let's look.

Let's see what kind of rooms we got. So they got a digital book club, the immortal life of Henry and the Lacks. No. They got real relationship talk. No. Vanguard's of New Orleans culture. Oh, that's, hmm.

Wow. Wow. Is there an exodus from the States? No. Let's see what else is on here. Oh, Daff Punk. I don't really know their music like that, but I saw that. 28 years.

28 years. Has the violence in hip-hop become too much. Oh, because of what just happened with Roddy Rich at a music video, right? Okay, so that's one right there. Has the violence and hip-hop become too much? I'm toxic and I'm proud as a room that's going on right now,

which I love. What? I'm toxic and proud. Okay, so this is another one. Men don't want love. We want loyalty and food. That's the name of a clubhouse room. How many room?

22 people. All men, probably, too. Okay. So which one do you want to do? Do you want to talk about violence and hip-hop? Or do you want to talk about men? Men, you want to talk about men wanting loyalty and food? What loyalty and food?

Man, is this true? Is this true? Is it true? Or are they one in the same, right? Right? Is your love, your love, which you might be defined as love, might be loyalty and food. That is love to you. I don't know if I'm that hung up on loyalty. I'm less of a, I don't.

That's you, you're alive, man. I'm being honest. Everybody wants somebody who's loyal to them. Loyal, what do you mean by loyal? What do you mean? You mean example? The word can only be used in one way. Loyalty.

No, but tell me loyal how. They're faithful to you. They have your back, like those thick and thin. matter what, they're down for you. They have my back through thick and thin. They're down for you. Like, being loyal is just another way for saying a down-ass chick to me. Okay. I don't think I care about that that much. So your girl can step out on you and it's not that big of a deal. I could get over it. How many times? I'm not, it's not, I don't, I don't care about, I really, I'm being honest. Like, I could, I don't give a fuck about, about, I mean, I can't. I can. I don't want to, I don't feel in any way.

Like, I don't think, I don't feel like, I don't fucking care. Like, I don't feel any sense of ownership over anybody. It's not ownership. Yeah. It's a relationship. It's trust. It's like, you're not going to be out here embarrassing me. Like, you're going to be out here in these streets.

You don't care about that. I don't care that if you're going through something and instead of, like, kicking you while you're down or leaving you, you know, like out and like just just out there, instead she's going to be loyal and pick you up when you're down, like be there as a support system to help you, you know, go through this thing called life. That's a loyal person. Right. If she did not figure it out.

Man, then why do you have anybody in your life? I'm just because this is, this is the reason why it's, I don't need anybody for a ceiling. I need somebody for an addict. Right. So the way I look at that is there's nothing that I need to establish a foundation with somebody that makes my life better. Right. So I don't need to, this is just me. And I guess this also comes from my parents' relationship. And the reason why it comes from my parents' relationship is because I watch my parents to people who I know were in love with each other, just not make each other's lives better. Just it was, it was, it's, their relationship was such a struggle to hold on to. It was like such a, and it wasn't just the regular relationship. Any relationship is going to be a struggle.

Your friendships are going to be struggles, right? Because you're going to grow and grow different ways and all of that. But when I watched them, it was like, it was a situation to where they just kind of, it took so much out of them. Like all of that stuff. Yeah. And that just made me want to have a relationship.

that's more about somebody to laugh with and somebody to get better with and somebody that all of the other stuff is important it is but I also spend too much time on my own like it's like I don't know man it's like what do you want a relationship for van it's not had nothing to do with loyalty

somebody is literally somebody to go to the movies with it's literally somebody to go on vacation you could have a best friend and do that with no yeah you could you could but it's not Not the same. So, like, the reason loyalty is so important to me is because... Also, it's not about a relationship.

It's about a person. No, it's about a person. One person, one person that you feel like is all of those things. Yeah, when you're together, it's a relationship. And the reason loyalty, I'm like, I'm very independent, right? My dad will say, we'll say, Rachel doesn't need a man, right? She doesn't need that. But because I'm so independent, when I have that, that strong feeling of support,

like, to me, I need that. I need you to be loyal to me. And not like a worshipping or like a dog type thing. I just need that support. I need to know like you have my back. And I give that. And it's not just one side. Like for me, I give that as well.

So I want that in return. Like people to have your back. Just down for me at the end of the day. But I want it with somebody that like that I love, not just in a friend. Like a friend can't give me that type of. relationship. Like I want the person I love, the one I have feelings for, the one, yeah.

Nah, I get it. It's like the whole the whole me down, down for me thing. It's kind of stupid to me. It's not to me. I get it. I understand it. But also, it's also because I have a lot of people who are down for me. And also it's really

has to do more with anything. It's like whether you're down for me or whether you're not down for me, like, I'm going to be fine. You know why I call BS on that? Because on this podcast, we've talked about, like, things that we've struggled with

and that we've gone through. And you're always given a shout out to your girl about how, like, she's down for you. Maybe not the same language that you're using, but, like, you couldn't. I don't put words in your mouth, but it's almost as if, like,

she's helped you get through certain things. She's been there for you. She's like, and it's less loyalty. That's loyalty. helped you get through certain things. Right, that's because she's exceptional, right? But like... Yes, she is.

But the reality of that situation is that even if she wasn't, I'd still have to get through those things. So when you... But could you? You'd have to. But could you? When I'm crediting her, I'm crediting her for doing what she was moved to do, not for doing what she had to do.

No, I get that. Right. You don't have to be loyal. So you still give credit where credit is due, right? You still say, hey, I was going through this and this person was there and all of that stuff. But really, I'm telling you, I wonder right now if I would have called my sister right now, I bet she feels the same way. There's this thing. And it's hard.

I'll be honest with you. There's this thing that's missing in me. It really is. There's a glitch in van. There's a glitch to where I'm like, yo, there was a point in my life where people really didn't give a fuck what I was doing. Like, I was really just left to figure out life on my own. And it was like, hey, we're wrapped up in what it is that we're doing. We got the stuff over here.

We're fighting. We're fussing. We're doing this. They'll be okay. They'll figure it out. Sometimes in that we failed. Sometimes. And so for me, even throughout my entire 20s.

came out to L.A. Like on my own. I have friends that I've known since literally I was in the first grade. Came out to L.A. on my own. Had to do all of this stuff. And it got to a point seriously to where if I failed,

there was nobody I could call. Like I had called in a couple of favors. My mother would do anything for me and she has done stuff. There were times like, you know, but it was like you can't go back to that well. like I had to kind of figure shit out there was no

and so because of that I don't expect anybody to have the answers for me or I get what you're saying no I understand it but you know what I think I think no it's it I give you an example I was in the conversation with my boy

Gina and he was he was before I was moving to LA and he was like yo you can go out there, you're not going to have anybody around you, your family, and your family and stuff not going to be around. I was like, that's okay.

And he was like, well, everybody needs family. And you know what my first thought was? Not me. Not really. Like when you were talking about like wanting to go home, like back home to Dallas and really, first place you want to go. You want to see you. You want to go back home.

You want to go to Dallas. Me, me, my mother, my father, and my sister, I've said, before on a podcast, haven't all been in the same room for 20 years. It was an era and now it's gone. And I don't really, I don't, either it's that I don't miss it or it's that. You've learned to deal with that. I've learned, I've, yeah, I've adapted. And so now it's like, the people that I have in my life are the people that make my life better.

I guess it's more of when you do love. right? To go back to the clubhouse. When you love, what is it that you want out of that love? When you do love, what is it that you want out of that love? Like, I want loyalty. Maybe because there was a time when I wasn't loyal. So maybe that's what I want now. I don't think that I want anything as much as I want her. So I think that's probably the thing. And I think to be honest with you, there's parts of this that I have to evolve on because I think sometimes these glitches in me, they affect her. Because I think sometimes I'll get, that makes you to a degree like you can be emotionally self-centered.

You can just, you can forget that other people need other things from you. because it's hard for you to give something that you don't feel like you need to have, right? Well, that's where that love language stuff comes into play. I have love language of shit is bullshit. Well, no, because, no, maybe the five languages, fine, whatever, but just the concept of you give love based on how you feel loved. And that's not necessarily how the person receives it. To me, that's the best thing out of the whole book.

Forget the five, whatever they are. My love language is watching Avengers Endgame then. Because that's what I feel the most love. I talked to Tom Holland today. Oh, did you? The Russo Brothers. Spider-Man? Yeah, see, they're wasting their time with you.

All of that stuff is a waste. People love that. Why would you be talking to the Russo brothers, though? Because the Russo Brothers just had a new movie with Tom Holland starring in it called Cherry. Cherry, yeah, they're working. You know what this is what happens real quick of stuff like that. You know why they're working with him? Because obviously they did Spider-Man.

They didn't do Spider-Man, but they did Adventures in Game and all that and stuff like that. In the downtime between all of these other movies that they have to do, they want to go out and do a quick film. Like, they do it with the guys that they're right around. They go, hey, Tom, we got a movie. You're perfect. Let's do it.

We got six weeks before we got to start pre-planning something else. And they go out there and they shoot a quick film. John Fever did that. Huh? Oh, I said, is that what they did? That's what they did. I already know. I just love language.

I want, I want a down-ass chick. I want a down-that, I want to, I want somebody who's going to be down for me. And you try so, you try so hard not to say a certain phrase because it's probably used too much that you're really saying the same thing just without saying the word. Okay, John. I need a check that when I'm doing that, you let me a couple of dollars and can cook up a whip up a cool meal and stuff like that. you know, y'all don't even fucking have jobs. Y'all want all of this shit. Y'all want to sleep on somebody's cop.

Like, forget about her. What do you, first of all, to most of y'all, forget about what you want out of her. Forget about that question. Start asking what you want out of you. Okay, do you know who you're sounding like? Who? What's his name?

Ken Samuels. Oh, King Samuels. What, rate yourself on a scale of four. Write yourself of one to ten. But look, I would never speak to a lady like that. I would never speak to a lady like that. But sometimes when he's talking to the men, not to the ladies, because women are different.

He's talking some real shit, though. Oh, well, geez. I just need somebody to understand how hard it is to be. Shut the fuck out. All right. Is this dumb segment we love when we rate whether something is stupid or smart? I love this headline.

Women dressed as elderly adults. adults, they got caught, trying to get a COVID-19 vaccine. So I haven't seen this story yet. I don't know where this took place. If I was going to guess... I believe Florida. Back in Florida. If I was going to guess where this took place,

I would definitely, definitely guess Florida. And it happened. In Orange County, it was happening in Orlando. Man, shout out to Florida, man. Yes, they dress up to make themselves appear older to get coronavirus vaccinations and were turned away and issued trespass warnings. Dr. Raul Pino, the state health officer in Orange County, said the women disguise themselves with bonnets, gloves, and glasses. What the hell is this? Who's wearing a lot of bodies?

Sheriff's spokesman, Michelle Guidos, told the Orlando Sentinel that the women altered their birth years on their vaccination registrations to bypass the state system, which prioritizes people age 65 or older. It appeared that the women had gotten the first shot, but unclear where. Rachel, is this dumb? It's beyond dumb.

It's so wrong. It's so wrong. Yes, it's dumb. Dressed up in bonnets and gloves and glasses. I mean, the fact that, I mean, no, man, maybe it's not because they got away with it the first time. They got it's wrong. It's wrong. It's not done.

It's wrong. What? All these half a million people have died of COVID. And you got people dressing up like it's just Halloween out here, trick-or-treating. Trying to get the vaccine. Trick-or-treating for a vaccine. Trying to get the vaccine, though. They're trying to do the right thing.

they're trying, okay, they're trying to do the right thing at the wrong time, right? Because it's not their time yet. I be honest with you. I bet you right now, I bet you right now that most people who want to get vaccinated in Florida that are 65 and older can get vaccinated. I bet you right now there's plenty enough to go around. The reality is they're trying. Then why did they have to dress up as grannies?

Because the things haven't been, the regulations haven't been like, it hasn't rolled it out to everyone yet. But I bet most people that are in Florida, that at 65 and older, can't get the vaccine that they wanted. There's probably more than enough to go around for that population. I could see if supplies were limited, but they're not.

Where are you getting your statistics from? Let's look right now, Florida vaccinations. Clickorlando.com. Florida reports 4,000 new COVID cases as delayed vaccine shipments arrive. Okay, that doesn't sound like anybody who wants to, 6,000.

and older is getting it. Hold on for a second. We haven't really gotten to that part. What I'm saying is that, look, it says right here, it says Florida has more vaccine than it needs right now. And no, it doesn't say that. But look, here's the thing. What I'm saying is that trying to get the vaccine,

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to get the vaccine. Okay. But lying while trying to get the vaccine is wrong. Right? You had to misrepresent yourself. You lied about your age. They changed their age on their vaccine registration card, but then their IDs didn't match their age. I just don't know what these women were thinking.

I don't know what they were thinking either. And let you try to dress up as an old man and go, you wouldn't be with us right now. You'd be locked up. I know somebody very close to us, very close to us. Not me. To us. Not me.

It's definitely not me. It's not Kalika. I know somebody very close to us who, have already, has already gotten their first shot. Younger than us. Younger than me, younger than you. Has already gotten their first shot. Did we just see them this weekend?

Well, at least I feel safe. Shame on you. And you know who you are. You already got the first shot. Already got the Vax. The Vaxi Vaxe Vax. The Vax Cinema Vaximus. Vaximus Maximus.

Listen, all this lets us know. There are too many loopers. holes. We need to get our stuff together so that we can get people properly vaccinated because we're going to begin this for a long time and stuff like this keeps happening. Look, I don't think it's dumb. I think they tried it. It didn't work. The system worked. But they're trying to do the right thing. To me right now, anybody trying to get the vaccination, I'm with it. I'm with it. Not this way, Van. It's just delays the process. Right. That is it. You guys, hire learning. It's finished. They keep taking the thing caps off.

Do not stop learning. we'll be back Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, we'll be back on Friday. Tonight, The Bachelor is tonight. What happens tonight? Like, tonight is what? Hometowns. Meet the family. Meet everyone's family.

You meet the family. So they're doing hometowns at the place in Pennsylvania. So what are they going to bring the families out, have a weiny roast or something like that or do? Pretty much. Have some fun time. So you're going to meet the families tonight. And then next week, are they going to start fucking? It's the women tell off.

The reunion. The reunion show. When do the fantasy sweets come in? The week after that. So we're two weeks from the fucking right now. Mm-hmm. All right, Matt. Okay.

Matt. Matt. And so just so we're all on the same page here, I'm 60 to 80% sure that Matt chose racial. 60 to 80% sure that he chose racial. All right. Just real quick before we go. The moment that Matt pitched.

Picks Rachel. I actually want to do something here. And hopefully Juliet Litman is listening to this. I want to do Bachelor Party live for the last episode. Yes, I do. Because I have a deep feeling. By the way, I know nothing, guys. I know.

Yeah, we don't talk about this. Nothing. We don't talk about this. I know nothing. I know zero. I feel like he's going to pick her based upon the aloe black thing that happened last week. I want the live moment. I want to be able to react in real time,

the moment Twitter fucking destroys itself when Matt James picks Rachel Kirkland. I want to be there for it. I don't want to have to wait and come do the podcast the next day. So you realize that if that's the case, he chose her around Thanksgiving and we don't know what the status of the relationship could be now. I can't think of a sentence that's mattered less in ages.

What you said has no bearing on what's going to happen. What you said, I can't think of something. I keep trying to take up for math. I can't think of anything that matters less. I can't. I really can't. Seriously. All right.

I guess you see. I'll stop there for Juliet. I tell you think of guys off. And I'll stop learning. I'm Van Lathan. I'm Richard. Lindsay. We are.