Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Chris Harrison Gets Replaced & Katt Williams on Cancel Culture

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the latest Chris Harrison news and who’d a thought David Spade would replace the host? (15:16), and Tiffany Haddish is cast as Flo-Jo (25:55) while the conservative world debates Critical Race Theory (36:55). Finally, legendary standup comedian Katt Williams joined to discuss cancel culture, the future of comedy, and accepting the “legendary” label (1:04:11) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. Rachel, you're still, you're still... At your grandma's house. At your grandma's house there in Houston.

Still here. Still on vacation. When are you coming back? Tomorrow. You don't want to leave. I don't want to leave. Never feels like enough time. I've been here since Monday,

and I feel like I haven't had enough time. my grandmother. You know what I'm trying to catch up for almost two years. So I look at the pictures that are on the wall over here and there are very grandma-esque pictures that are on the wall

for anyone that's watching. So to the left is my grandma. Right here on the other side is her mother, my great-grandma, Mama Bessie. Mama Bessie. And in the middle

is my mom and my aunt with the two of them. So, you know, a little inside into the family. See the older picture on the wall right there? That's Mama Bessie. Is she still with us? That's Mama Besson. She's gone on the glory.

No, no. She passed away. Gone on the glory, 2017. So. Live to be 97. That's all you can ask for. What I wonder when I see grandma pictures is that were those pictures ever new? What does that mean?

What do you mean? At some point you look at pictures that your grandma has in a photo book and the pictures look super old, right? Because they are super old. Correct. I can't ever imagine the time that some of these pictures were ever new. It just seems like the picture came out, developed, 35 years old. Old. That's how they all used to look.

That's that one, right? Yeah. That one is all. I mean, yeah, but they have, but even the frame, because like, even the frame that they're in right now, like, you know, I'm not saying anything about the frame.

The frame is a lovely, understated frame, but there's been significant technology advancements in the frame department since whenever that was. I just, I wonder that I go to, I go to my grandmother. I'm around my grandmother,

Mama, who has an incredible, youthful spirit. I'm like, At one point she was like 21. Damn. It's hard to, I know,

it's hard to see that. It's hard to see that your grandparents were like you once. Like at one point, my grandfather was probably like, yo, Cletus, T. Bob, Lil Jimmy,

let's go get some holes. I can't think of that. You know? I, it's hard. I know, mindset. Your granddad?

Now, I know he is he a rap scallion what is he sure talk to me about it he was a good time he was a good time man I got some news I'm very excited by the time this comes out tomorrow

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information. They have you coming in to replace Megan McCain to give conservative viewpoints? No. People, wait, I'm sorry, I just heard the last part of what you said to give the conservative view. No. Rachel, that's going to be your new situation. That is amazing though. That's super amazing. Just, just, I'm, Sunny's out. So they ask me if I would step in. You're going to get the job eventually. No, it's not a, it's not a job audition. I love Sunny. Sunny's my friend. They have guest host. Sunny's my friend. She's your friend? Actually, she's not my friend. We all knew that was going to come. I've only talked to on a DM a couple of times. But you know what? We're going to.

We know what we got to do now. We got to cook up a scandal. We got to cook up a scandal. Not with Sunny. Okay, we got to figure out. You're not wrapping a scandal around me being on this show. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No.

Not what I'm saying. So who's on the view? Who's on the view right now. Okay. Joy, Bayhar, Whoopi, Sarah Haynes, Megan McCain, Sunny Hospital. Sarah Haynes is out.

It's a big range time. I don't know who Sarah Haynes is. So here's the deal Sayre's a friend As you would say Okay well that's good That's good But she's got to go

Survival of the fitt is big rage All the way to the top And so the reality is that we can't Like we can't get rid of Unfortunately we can't get rid of Megan McCain because You gotta have a conservative of you Spice

Gotta have the spice Can't really get rid of Joy Joy Tenured She is a legacy Tenured there Can't get rid of Whoopie she runs the show.

Can't get rid of Sunny because Sunny's one of my faves. Okay? So Sarah Haynes, get out of here. Just because you don't know. Back to the soup kitchen. I'm not trying to ask.

You always like for me to take somebody's job. That's not happening here. I am just stepping. I am just stepping in. Yes, it did. And we're about to talk about it. You like that segue?

You like that? Yeah. Yes, it did. And we're about to talk about it. But you stepped in. How was it? No, it's live. I haven't done it yet. It's tomorrow. Oh, damn.

It's a live show. Wow. I've done live TV in a while, so I'm a little nervous because... That's a fantastic platform, Rachel. I'm just a little nervous because I'm like, what you say, it's out there. You know, I haven't done live in a while. Rachel, you should be on the view. Aw, thanks, man. You really should.

You should be on the view. And I have a sneaking feeling that there'll be a negative serenial. Hey, stop. Don't do my girl like that. Oh, you still know people at your former place of business? I still know people. Stop.

I still know people. You know, she used to have the show, Strahan after Good Morning America. Strayhand and Sarah. And then it was Kiki. Strayhand, Sarah and Kiki. Strayhand,

because I don't think I know who that is. Strayhand, Sarah, and Kiki. I like Kiki. Do they still do that? No, it's not on it. It's not on here anymore. That's why she went to the view. That's why she became a permanent host on the view.

So what does she do to get kicked out of Good Morning in America? Maybe her old d'nors come back to harm her. They just canceled the show. And they gave her another ABC show. Oh, man, she could definitely go. I'm looking at the end. Van, Van, man, she's out of here. Van.

Stop charred. At the top was short like leprecha. Like, it's like, it's like, look at the way, look at this. Okay, so I know what the scandal's going to be now. Everybody has a look. Look at this inappropriate touching of Michael Shrayhan. Michael Shrayhan looks visibly shaking and uncomfortable as his colleague, Sarah Haines. I basically got fired for this.

I can tell you. I wrote some stories. Right, I did. I wrote some stories. Look. See what she's doing right here? See how she's got her hand around his shoulder area? That's what they basically fired me for.

She just did the same thing. Sarah Haines pulled up. Because you post. No, because I put my hands on the shoulder neck area of one of my coworkers who happened to be my best friend in the office, but whatever. We'll leave out. Are you allowed to talk about this? Yeah, but she did the same thing. She's out.

She's done. You'll be there by Tuesday. Stop. This is like over here, it's about big rage world domination. And we're not going to stop until. I appreciate the support. But that's not how I want to go at it. No, that's not how I want to go in.

Why did they go to the red carpet on together? Probably to promote their show. Nah, man, this is look a little bit. Stop. Sarah is married to an attorney. She's got three beautiful children. What's the attorney's name? I don't know.

Max. Max. I can't think of this last thing. Maybe I'll check in with him. See, if he has any stories, any peccadillos that he won't know. Okay, I'm just joking about getting Sarah out of here, man. Sarah's cool. That is a perfect, that's a perfect platform for you, though.

Thank you. I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous. I'll see how goes. I don't really get nervous, but I'm, I never got to be on the view as a guest as the Bachelorette. Other people did before me and after. So it's my first time on the show.

You know, I just want to make sure I'll hold my own, but also be respectful of other people when they have the mic. I'm honestly, I'm nervous for my facial expressions. You have the topics? Because we all know I can't control them. You don't know the topics. When are they going to give you topics? Late tonight, finalized tomorrow.

You got to get Megan McCain. This is what you got to do. I'm not trying to, I'm not, I'm not trying to, my goal is to not come after people. Let's look at Megan McCain's tweets right now. Look, we need to, look, you're not thinking about this. Are you prepping me? You're prepping me. Bepping me for my spot.

You don't need my help, but I'll tell you one thing, in case you want, in case you want some bullets in the gun, we should think about these things. You know what I mean? Let's see. Megan McCain. Megan McCain, Vice President. Hold on. Okay.

Here's what Megan McCain has said. Today? Yesterday. Because she wasn't on yesterday, so she's going to be ready to go. Twitter. Can someone in media who just isn't going to slobber over all Dr. Fauci interview him, there are some serious and legitimate questions that he needs to be asked after this email dump that the American people have a right to know the answer to.

I don't think that's quite controversial enough. We can't get her on that. Let's see what else we got here. I have a feeling we'll be talking about that. Megan McCain, here it is right here. Wow. Okay, tweeted 12 minutes ago. In my opinion, the sacrifices of the African American community,

oh, wow, this is actually kind of nice. The sacrifices of the African American community on Memorial Day actually go overlooked. And this is the day that we are reminded of the unity between all Americans. I think a proper celebration for African American soldiers should be held in Africa where all black people should go back to right away. She tweeted that about 10 minutes ago, basically. About 10 minutes ago, she tweeted that all black people should go back to Africa. So if you want to do something about that and maybe, you know, but, you know, look, I'm trying to help you.

I'm trying to help you get to the next stage. Thank you, Van, and I appreciate that. I appreciate that because I know where your heart is and what you're doing for me. Don't. She's out. Sarah's out. And we're going to get Megan tomorrow. We're going to tomorrow.

Sarah's out. So you're nervous. What are you nervous about? Would you say? Didn't I already answer this question. No, I want to know specifically what makes you nervous. You can port yourself. It's live TV.

You know, so it's out there. You know, like there are no takebacks. It's live TV. I've never been on this platform before. just want to make sure that I hold my own, you know, that I don't make a fool of myself. And I feel like some people have high expectations. I just want to make sure I meet them or exceed them.

It would be great. Thank you. It's very exciting, very exciting. Is this Zoom or you got to fly up there and do it? No, it's Zoom. They're not in studio or not all of them are in studio. So some of them go to the studio? I think maybe one does.

Yeah. Speaking of that, it's getting pretty close to the 15th here. It's a couple of weeks away to where things will start opening it up here in old California. Are you, are you prepared for this? Are you prepared for the world to open back up? You ready? Well, I feel prepared now being out here in Texas. It's a weird thing.

Nobody wears their mask anywhere. You walk into establishments, no mask. You know, once I stepped away from the airport, maskless. So I kind of gotten the taste of to what it's like. And I'm shocked at how quickly I adapted. I thought that I would still be like, California, we're not like that. We're still wearing our mask.

And I was just like, you know what? I'm vaccinated. I'm making sure I'm careful. I'm not really touching hands. I'm not giving hugs. I'm still keeping my distance. Yeah. That's true.

They actually changed the official song of Texas. It goes. What was the official song of Texas? It was deep in the heart of Texas. And it went, The Stars at Night, Shine big and bright. That's not how it goes now.

It goes, The Stars at Night, Shine Big and Bright. That's so not funny. That's not funny. That's how it goes. That's not funny. Wiling.

They really are Wilein, though. They really are, but I guess the numbers aren't super bad. You know what I mean? I guess things, I guess we're really moving towards the vaccination. I wouldn't notice. I wouldn't trust them, whatever they are, being under the, being governed by Greg Abbott. I just, I wouldn't trust it anyways. Inventing the Abbots, great movie.

You never saw it. Correct. But I've heard of it. Jennifer Connolly. Hot. Okay. Joaquin Phoenix. What was it called?

Invening the Abbots. It's a great story about a well-downy- to do family in this town. There's not a black soul in this movie. It's a well to do family. There's a couple of brothers and then like a couple of sisters. It's Liv Tyler. Jennifer Connolly.

It's the, they're the abbots. Okay. The abbots are the rich family. And there's the lower family. And it's a great movie. Great movie. So,

so we've stalled enough. And we've acted as if the chit chat matters. We've talked about you on the view. We've talked about Texas. That's not. what motherfuckers want to hear on this podcast today. Boom. Breaking news.

Higher learning listeners. Chris Harrison will not return to Bachelor in Paradise. He is being replaced by David Spade. Okay, sources tell page six. Spade was picked because he's a Bachelor superfan who's built a cult following among fellow fans because of his hilarious commentary about the show that he does out on his Instagram account.

So I didn't know that David Spade was a huge Bachelor's superfan. He apparently is. Emmanuel Acho did not get the job. Okay, they didn't know. We don't even know if he was going for it, so don't do that. We don't even know if he wanted it.

So they're going to call Emmanuel Acho and ask him if he wants to host a Bachelor and then he's going to say no. Okay. No, I'm sure he would, maybe if it worked with the schedule, he works a full-time job at Fox Sports. He can't just travel on location and be gone for two months. Fox probably said no.

We'll figure it out because he'll come on the podcast and I, as him did to his face. So Chris Harrison, Audi 5,000. Rachel Lindsay, your thoughts? As Van takes a sip of water. Listen, I know you were so eager to talk about this. As soon as you saw, the headlines.

I don't really have much to say. I will say, David Spade, I knew was a super fan. I actually met him backstage at Ellen when I was promoting The Bachelorette. I don't, I'm curious to see how this works. If you do follow David Spade and you've listened to his commentary, he is funny. He's got this dry sense of humor, especially when he talks about a show, and he's very sarcastic. And it's also very crude. And it's inappropriate.

And it's not for family television. So I don't know how this is going to translate to him being the host on the show. Because if you try to water him down, then he's not David Spade and he doesn't bring that energy into the role. He's got to be funny. He's got to be in character. So I just, I'm very curious to see how this works. I will tell you it's got me intrigued.

Never did I see David Spade taking the spot. I will add though that it's not just David Spade. They say, they're saying that maybe he's doing two episodes. and then they're going to bring in other celebrity guest hosts. Okay, so a couple of things. Number one, I don't think David Spade will have very much problems keeping it clean. He's been very much trouble, should I say keeping it clean. He's been on network television before.

And so I think he knows a guard reals that exists there. That's, I couldn't care less about really your thoughts on whether or not David Spade will be a good host. I'm sorry that that's not what I wanted to hear. What I want to hear is I know. You don't think I know that? Like David Spain could be a good host. He might not be a good host. What do you think about the decision?

How do you feel both internally and externally for the Bachelor franchise about the pretty seismic decision to not bring Chris Harrison back at this point? He's been a staple in the show for going on, what, 20 years or something stupid like that? So this is a monumental decision. What do you think? First of all, I feel nothing. Second, second, it's not this monumental decision when we've already seen him not host the Bachelorette. If this was the first season of something he wasn't hosting, then maybe so.

I think we already kind of knew he wasn't hosting Bachelor in Paradise. So this wasn't that, what was shocking is who is hosting, not the fact that Chris Harrison is not hosting. I don't expect him to be hosting this next season of the Bachelorette either. Okay? So if we're having this conversation again, when they decide who's hosting that, I don't expect for it to be Chris.

If Chris Harrison is going to come back, I think it'll be for The Bachelor. That's what I think. And it will be a lead that is white, which is why I don't see him coming back for Michelle's season. So when they announce the Bachelor and we see who it is, then I expect the following announcement of whether or not Chris Harrison will be the host.

I think they're trying to figure out to see how the audience is going to respond to the lack of Chris Harrison and how these guests host. If the audience were to respond favorably to the lack of Chris Harrison, do you think that there's a possibility that he wouldn't be brought back at all? Do you? 100%. You think that there's a possibility here that ABC is testing the grounds to see whether or not the franchise actually needs Chris Harrison? Correct. I think my personal opinion, if the ratings don't drop and everything stays the same or gets better, I don't think they'll bring him back because it's a business at the end of the day. So if your money isn't affected by this and your ratings are the same or better, then you can keep going in the way that you're going, bringing in different host or a whole new host, whatever does the job. If the ratings dip, which is to be, like,

I think a lot of people suspect that they will be because there's a lot of people saying they're going to boycott it, then I think Chris Harrison being the host is back on the table. It's a business at the end of it. It's all about the money. Same reason they never had a lead of color because they were afraid it would affect the business.

Like my season had lower ratings. And they used to say that's part of the reason. They didn't have another lead of color. No season. Audience didn't respond to it well. That's large. do to Brian I was suspect I would about I'd give Brian probably like 60% of the blame there just Brian himself I'm just saying you want to try that again's probably

Brian is very he's scary like I'm scared of him like he he he like he's got like this whole Brian when Brian's around he's like mysterious right you never know what he's thinking but he's gonna whip out a comb and be like boom and then comb his hair, then you never know if that's who Brian is. This isn't Greece lightning. Brian is like, he's not Danny Zuko. He's not Kincky. He's not Keniki. He's not.

He's one of the most Danny Zucco niggas that's ever lived. The only thing who is more Danny Zucco than Brian is actually Danny Zucco. I rebuke that. Wait. Why would you want

I'm not married to Danny Zucco? Dan Zucco is literally the coolest. Danny Zucco is literally the coolest. Dan Zucco is. Awesome. No. Danny Zuko was cool, but there was a level. There was also a level of cheesiness associated to him.

Watch now. Watch what you say. I don't think he's cheesy at all, but I also don't think that Danny Zucco is cheesy. In heaven, one alone, I sit and wonder why I, y, y, why? Why he let me. Oh, Sandy. Oh, Sandy. With the hot dogs.

With the hot dogs in the background. Like she, like, yeah, you know why she raped you? I know why she left you because you sexually assaulted her. That's why. You just, oh, Sandy. Yeah, that's why. Like, you sexually assaulted it.

That's why she left. Then she came back at the end and she was the. version of herself. All you got to do in the 70s to be the evil version of yourself is wear black. She basically teased her hair and came back in all black and she was evil Sandy. I'm going to watch that shit tonight. I love that

fucking man. And here's the last thing I'll say about Danny Zuko before we get back to the point. Danny Zuko was a cool guy with like a heart of gold. And that's kind of what Brian is. But America wasn't feeling that in your season. It was like too Dan Zucco.

Oh, way to retain yourself. So Chris Harrison, not coming back to The Bachelor in Paradise. What I'm going to do is I am going to start a go-fund me for Chris Harrison. It's getting to the point to where I'm really concerned about this man. Let me tell you something. He's not coming on the show. So you can keep talking all this time. It's not going to get him to come on this show.

Harris on the show. Think about how far I can get Chris Harrison to go. See, when Chris Harrison comes on this show, I'm actually going to be full MAGA. I'm going to lead him into the Primrose path. I'm going to get Chris Harrison to say, I'm going to get Chris Harrison on this show to say that he only wishes he could have taken part in the January 6th insurrection. I'm going to lead him down. Chris, because here's what you have to do as a black person, if you really want to get your white friends to admit to their different schisms, their different racisms,

all you have to do is lead them. You know, you go like, next time you're out with one of your white friends, try it. Try it. Just say, hey,

you know, I'm glad we came to this restaurant because I'm going to be honest with you. The cheesecake factory on the south side, man, I'm going to be real with you. It's got too many black people in it and they get super duper,

loud and watch your friend go I'm glad you said it because I can't believe and I know I can get that out of Chris Harrison I know I can I'm just saying I know I can get that out of Chris Harrison

I know I can get that out of Chris Harrison before I get it I have Chris Harrison I have Chris Harrison saying that we have lower IQs yeah it's just a thing Who are you to go against the evidence? Who are you? It's evidence. I can get it out of them.

I know. Just come on. Come on, man. Come on, Chris. You're a jerk, bro. All right, so you're a big track person. You love the track. The track and field.

So one of the most dynamic figures in the history of track and field is getting their own biopic pick. Yeah, Flojo. It's about. time. Griffith Joyner is getting her own biopic and it is being produced and will star is being produced by, should I say, and will star Tiffany Haddish. Tiffany Haddish, a personal release came out. Tiffany Hadish says that she was a huge fan of Flojo growing up and now she is going to star

in the biopic. I say that. I say Tiffany Haddish as Flojo, what do you think? First of all, I want to say I'm happy that they're finally doing this on Flojo. It took long enough. We lost her way too soon and in such a very sudden way. I can't wait for this to come out. Big, big fan of her.

Thought I was going to be her back in the day until I realized I was not meant for the Olympics or on the Olympic path. But I'm excited. I'm not here to, I mean, I don't know. I never thought about who would play Flojo. if they ever were going to do a biopic. I'm just happy it's being done. I'm happy to see Tiffany Haddish produce it.

I'm happy that she's a fan because I know she's going to do justice to the role to the movie. So I'm excited for it. Is that, did you not have her picked as Floja? Did you think she could do a good job? She can do a good job as Floges. It's a, I think it's a very,

it's a high leverage situation for Tiff. Tiffany Haddish, came out and she was an instant success, well not an instant success. She had been working for years. But she about not an instance. She burst onto the scene with

with Girl Strip. And the movie was just amazing and she was so great in it. Since then she's really kind of divided the audience amongst people who really love Tiffany Haddish and people who are off of her. And

you know, there's been a track record of some movies that some people went and didn't enjoy as much if you listen to Twitter. You know what I mean? So a role like this in a movie that it's always risky for the lead. Not so much if you're white because white people are allowed to make mistakes and make art that, you know, people don't like. But for some reason, amongst the black audiences,

you make something we don't like and then we must cancel you. So amongst those people, she would have, she's got to deliver. This is going to be a big, glossy, film and it's very memeable if some of the scenes don't hit well and if and like the spotlight the focus all on you in this movie with someone of this stature it's always risky when you take on something like that you know do we know if she's got the family support behind it and is this going to be a movie like to the big screen or is this coming to television like a mini series or do we know anything about that from what i'm

From what I understand, this is going to be a film. Okay. And she's getting in crazy shape for it. She's a consummate professional, so she puts her best foot forward and all of this stuff. But, you know, this is one of those ones, man. This is one of those ones where it can either propel you forward or knock you back. Yeah. You know?

And other actors have been in movies like that and delivered. And then there have been some actors that have been in movies like that. And it's really, really hurt their careers. And- Like who? Oh wow, good question So like flex as Michael Jackson Never forget

Never Have we seen Look it up if y'all don't know Actually can we put up a graphic Actually at this point in the podcast Please let's put up a graphic Yo Wow

Wow H1, no. I don't care. I would say. Those movies. You have to know when to say no. Man. No.

So this is, this is going to be a film. And Flojo's widow, widower. Is it widow or widower when it's a guy? It's a widow. The guy's Flojo's. That's a great question. I don't know.

Well, I don't know. And her former coach, Al Joyner, is going to be a part of the movie. Okay, good. So he's. training TIF to play pleasure. So Tiff is in the best possible position to succeed here. Wow.

And, you know, like I said, there's some people that come for her on the internet, and if she doesn't do a great job, then they're going to come for her. But that's the chance you take whenever you get into a big world like this. So it's a very important. And if she nails this, she already out of here. But if she nails this, she out of here, out of here, out of here. Well, it puts her out of different. out of here.

Have we seen her play a serious role? You know this. She has. Okay, because I'm like, you know, me in the movies. Yeah, she, she has. But like I said,

you know, people with, with results that for some people are mixed. You know, I think she's the top. So there was one that she did with, what's the lady's name, Melissa McCarthy. And it wasn't too,

it wasn't too long ago. They did, it wasn't with Melissa McCarthy? It was, yeah, it was definitely was, movies McCarthy. I can't remember the name of it. I saw a little bit of it. Wasn't bad to me. You know, I think she's been, I think she just had and just was

fucking fantastic in the funniest movie I have seen in years. Bad Trip? She was amazing in Bad Trip. Yeah. Like, amazing in it. So, you know, it'll be two straight hits for or like I said, there's people online that, you know, sometimes people get at her a little bit. So If she drops the ball, then they might feel a certain way. Flex is Michael Jackson. What is the greatest? What is the greatest?

The kitchen. The kitchen is the name of that movie you're talking about. The kitchen. What is the greatest VH1 biopic ever? VH1 Lifetime combined. No, no. Lifetime's too hard. There's been too many. So VH1 did. TLC.

TLC was good. I actually enjoyed the TLC one. You like that shit. I'm trying to figure out where to start from because are we included? They did TLC, they did Michael Jackson, they did Hammer. Not Hammer.

You didn't like the Hammer one? I enjoyed it just because I'm a Hammer fan, but what about the Temptations in the Jackson Five? Those were mini-series. Those weren't. Those don't include, right? You should. God damn.

that's disrespectful. I just want to make sure. I was so young when they aired. The temptation of the Jackson 5 is like compared to the VH1 step. That's like this. I don't know where they aired. The 16 Chapel of fucking Louvre goddamn Mona Lisa. I don't know what network they aired on is what I'm saying.

I don't know. I was so young when they came out. I think they were on. I think the Jackson's was on either NBC or ABC. The Jackson's a family dream. That's the 16. The American dream. Get it right.

The Jackson's, I think that's either NBC or ABC. I want to say maybe ABC. And then the Temptations, I think also, I think the Temptations, that wasn't BET, the Temptations was. See, I don't know. ABC or something like that. Okay, both fantastic.

But those were amazing, though. Like, those were really good. And with, bro, Angela Bassett was into Jackson's. You know what I mean? Billy D. Williams, Vanessa Williams, Terrence Howard, like that was a real movie. I know, I know, I know every word in that movie. I'm just saying, I don't know, okay, well, if we're going on with-

So it was on ABC, it was on ABC. Okay, well, I guess TLC. Oh, TLC. See, I didn't finish watching Salt and Pepper. That was on Lifetime, though. Okay, that was Lifetime. Winnie Williams' Lifetime. Wendy Williams was Lifetime.

Whitney Houston was Lifetime. Lifetime. I got to go. go with TLC. You don't go with TLC? I'm going to go with Michael Jackson. I'm sorry. Entertainment value is what I'm talking about.

That was... The disrespect. Amazing. Right. Entertainment. Like, that is so funny. Hold on for a second. I got to pull up a clip.

Like that... Hold on. Like, that was... The Temptations was on NBC. Jackson Files was on ABC. I got to pull up a clip of Flexus Michael Jackson. That shit was so... so funny.

And when we watch it and they only kind of they skirt it around the edges as a they skirt it around the edges hold on. They skirted around the edges of the child molestation stuff.

It was hilarious. Hold on. Go Jackson. Look at this. I don't want to see it. I remember. I remember. Oh, my God.

Oh, my Lord. Oh, my Lord. Like, have we seen flex in? Somebody sent out. Somebody's, I'm serious. There's a bad mistake. All right. Let's take a break.

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So here I want to make sure everyone understands this out there all the thought warriors that are listening to this because they're going to hear about a debate About about critical race theory surrounding critical race theory. You're going to be asking yourself what is critical race theory? Why does it matter? Why does it have its proponents? Why does it have its detractors? Okay The Republicans So critical race theory as I understand it and Rach if I get this wrong, please correct me as I understand critical race theory is an examination of American systemic dysfunction using race as an indicator for some of the inequalities that we've seen that we've seen both historically and that we see today. And it's the framing of history through the lens of those inequalities and through how those inequalities were intentional and started around the time that the framers put the American system of government together. It is, if you will, a view of American society through the lens of the systemic inequality. Hold on.

It is, if you will, a view of American society through that lens, okay? It's teaching. Through the perspective of race and racism. Pretty much. Okay. So people argue that teaching that and getting kids in sorts of. schools or wherever they might be in jobs and workplaces, familiar with this will lead to an understanding of what we need from each other in society.

Okay. Opponents of that say that framing things in that way, the opponents who happened to be conservative, argue that framing things in that way is divisive and leads to a more fractured America than a more whole America. And there is legislation being proposed in different red states that will ban the teaching of critical race theory in schools. Now, the interesting thing about that is there's not very much teaching of critical race theory that's going on in schools. What you're really looking at is that critical race theory is being lobbied about as sort of a political volleyball in order for one side to be performative with their supporters and really drum up support. making people believe that there's some group that wants to radicalize and racialize America

and they have to be stopped at all costs. You're aware of this debate. I seriously doubt you have a problem with critical race theory. But my question is, do you see why anybody would? Do you see any is, the question for you is, do you see any reason why anyone would have a problem with, framing American society in this lens and discussing it in this way? No. I think the people who are opposing it are twisting the definition of what critical race theory is.

I mean, you've got a point of view out there from the Republican side or people, I should just say Republican people who oppose it that are saying that this critical race theory is, asserts that people with white skin are inherently racist. And they're trying to, I guess, play on people's emotions and make it feel like their whiteness is threatened in some kind of way, or it's about political correctness or cancel culture. And they're playing on these emotions.

And I think that that's the wrong way to do it. And I think that's how they're getting more people to oppose it, but that's not what critical race theory is. And I just find it very interesting that if all, we're supposed to be having these conversations and we're supposed to be understanding how we got here, if you don't recognize, and understand what our country was built on and what it's about,

then how can you ever move forward to a better place? If you continue to brush it under the rug, it's going to come out if the institutions that our country was built on are inherently racist. And I think that that's all that it is. It's history to me. It's education to me. It's not attacking a specific race.

It's not attacking a certain type of person. It's about recognizing how this country came to be. And to me, I guess the question I ask myself is, what are you so afraid of for this theory to be taught? What scares you? Why is it such a problem for you? What has you so rattled that people can't understand that maybe, maybe the people who start this country were racist? Maybe some of the institutions that have been existing in our society from since the beginning of time. Well, the answer to that is

Why is that a problem? It cuts across, it cuts against the American ideal. It cuts against the thing that you have to believe in order to maintain the status quo. And it's a very simple concept and we both know it, right? The status quo is maintained not by who is super talented, but by who is super flawed. So in any group of people, there will be talented people, right? There will be people that rise above their circumstances. We always talk about some mathematician from Calcutta who manages to, you know, traverse great fucking, overcome great obstacles in their life to become something.

And then what you do is you say, hey, you look at that person wherever they are, whoever they might be. you say, hey, if they can do it, you can do it too. Which on its face seems like it makes sense, right? But in further analysis, it doesn't. What really makes sense is providing people with a different matrix of choices so that they are better equipped to choose outcomes that benefit themselves and the society around them. And in order to make sure that that happens, what you have to do is take a critical look at that's a and how the choices that they were born with affect them and the people in their community

and where those things come from. And you can do that without actually villainizing anyone. You guys, if you want George Washington, you can have them. You can believe that, I mean, you can. If you want George Washington, you can have them. If you want Thomas Jefferson, you can have them. If you want any of those guys, right? All of those guys, if you want them, you can have them.

I'm not. I'm not going to come down on anyone for, uh, for, you know, deifying those guys. I'm not. But what they wrote, okay, forget about emotions. Forget about any of what they wrote stands for all eternity for us to analyze. what they meant, the systems they put in place, stand in eternity for all of us to look at and study. And the reason why we study it is because we have to. If in the Declaration of Independence,

there's talk of savages and those savages just happen to be Native Americans, we have to look at that. Because in my opinion, what then happens is those savages as they are referred to we know them to be what's called actually human beings with their own civilization and then when they are exterminated

and wiped off the face of the continent that they inhabited the question then becomes well why and then you have to ask you have to ask yourself does one thing have to do with the other if somebody has three fits of a human being is it easier to take their rights away from them

okay so like it I'm I myself amongst other black people are always accused of being emotional critical race theory is actually deemotionalizing the situation I'm not talking about the fact if I'm not saying fuck George Washington he was a racist right I'm not saying all that I'm not talking about that I'm talking about the systems as they exist to take a sanitized unbiased, level-headed look at the building blocks of the country and how things went so we can understand

which potholes not to drive in next. I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to do that. Like any, if you come into something that's dysfunctional as American society clearly demonstrates itself to be. The first thing you would do,

even if this was a business, if this was a bar, what any new owners or any group of people that wanted to change, they go through the bar and they find out what's been wrong, unless you in some way were benefiting from what was wrong before. So I don't get it.

And I really would like to have a good faith conversation. I might bring Camel Foster on for this if you're down for that, Rachel. I would like to have a good faith conversation with someone who really, who disagrees. And so we can really hash it out. I think those people would say that it's as what you said at the top of this. this topic, they feel like it sets us back. We're not moving forward. It's hurting our society because we're so much better than we used to be. And to that, I would say, if that's the case, then why do we just go through what we went through in 2020? Why is there inequality when it

comes to wealth and income and other areas and health and housing and all these things? I am tired of the narrative that we're supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya. We're supposed to ignore things that have happened in the past because things might be a little different. I'm not going to say better necessarily, but a little different than they were a few decades ago. That's not how things work. They want us to hold hands, pretend that the world is colorblind and keep it moving. But if you're a person who's affected by it and you're seeing that these things have not changed and there are these issues and these problems out there, then you can't ignore this.

And you have to understand how we got here and why these things are in place. Don't say anything. I can't. Big range heating up. I'm going to be a mess tomorrow. Big rage heating up. Oh, yeah. You got to rest those pipes.

You're going to be on the view tomorrow. Right. You're going to be on the view tomorrow. I need some vicks. I'm telling you, sounding like Keith Richards looks. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, it's crazy. You got to keep, you know, you got to do you,

are you going to be here or are you going to be? I'm going to be in Houston. You're going to be in Houston, do it? I'm going to need a better signal than what you got right now. That's for sure, you know. A better signal than what you got right now. Oh! You're talking to my grandmother's house?

Does it? Yeah, no, your grandmother got some, she got some underground railroad internet is what she has. She does. She does. That's the Harriet Tubman Dial-up special that you want over there. Nobody knows it. Doesn't Chris Harrison live in Texas? Yes.

Unless no, he lives in California. I think he has an house. What if what if what if you rolled up on Chris Harrison right now and asked him? I wouldn't even know where to do that. If you could come in and use his Wi-Fi and record the view. That would be so crazy. Can you imagine? That's so crazy.

Knock, knock, knock. You think he'd open the door? Hell yeah. Or you think I would just hear the time? No, right now he probably would do it. He probably would take a picture of you while you were doing the view and be like, my good friend, Black lady, Rachel Lindsay stopped by to do the view. I'm so happy when I can see a mocha chocolate new being queen of the other verse.

You love to talk about it. You're so funny. You already got your headline. I feel nothing is going to be the headline. I didn't even think about that. I feel nothing. I feel nothing. I'm so dry.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Memorial Day. So I made a joke earlier about Memorial Day and Megan McCain's tweet. Mickey McCain did not tweet that. So before she gets upset and calls me out, she did not tweet that. Oh, there was a dust up. And sometimes racism is funny.

I'm not going to lie. I sometimes get a kick out of racism. It's hilarious. Well, I think so you just got to laugh through something. No. I'm not laughing to cope. Sometimes it's actually funny. You never feel that way?

If it's so ridiculous, yes. If it's just so ludicrous, yes. Sometimes I will laugh. Is that one of these moments? Before I get to it. We was in Bat Rouge one time. It's me and my friends. And it's just a really nice restaurant there.

I won't. It's a lot of really nice restaurants. So I'll bring up the name of the play. And me and my boys decided we're going to go out and celebrate my last homie turned at this restaurant. And it's a fancy place so you got to dress up. So we were all dressed in the best way that we could be dressed at 21. I didn't have very many, you know what I mean?

And so we go to the restaurant. We had like an 830 reservation and we go there and we wait for like 15 minutes. And then, but we're talking so we don't realize. All right. And then we wait in like 30 minutes. And then one of my homeboys was, hey, man. Like, yo, somebody go up there and see what's going on with the table. And we go up there and they say, just one second.

And it goes, actually, you guys aren't really like, I don't know, kind of like appropriate for, for, for, for, for, for what's going on inside of here. So you guys mind if we put you a little bit closer. And one of my homeboys went, damn. Hold on for a second. It's so funny. It's so funny. What my homeboys went, damn,

y'all really on some nigger shit, huh? And he said it so loud, and he was so pissed off. And it was obvious that they didn't want five young black guys dining at the front of their restaurant that we all just bust out laughing. We all just bust out.

But he was pissed. Damn, y'all really about some nitty shit. Like, it just dawned on him. Like, this is really racist. And sometimes moments like this are super funny to me. And this particular... Wait, wait, wait. Did y'all eat at the restaurant? No, hell no.

Please finish the story. Okay, y'all left. All right. We left, and then we got to messing shit up on our way out the door. It was terrible. Like, they had this little mint thing. My nicken knocked the mint thing over. And like, we gave them...

We gave them the nether. niggas they wanted to see then. I was going to say, just playing into all their stereotypes that they had, you know, racist stereotypes. At this point, we like, and we just started saying random shit like, go man, well fuck this bitch out, bye, man. And we knocked over the mid train. And then

we got in the car laughing. And I think we went to subway. And that's what we ended up eating for, because we were super hungry by that point. And all you did is solidify what they already thought about. Whatever. They did it first. We came there. on some They did it first.

We came down some chill shit. I was dressed up. I had a pair of Eastlands on. Do you remember Eastlands? No, I don't remember Eastlands like the half casual shoe

that you could wear with some khakis and think that you was dressed up. So look up. Let's get a graphic. Yeah, I had some Eastlands on. I had some Eastlands, some khakis. If I don't know,

true to him. And they were tucked into a East. They was tucked into a until like my khaki pants. You seen the Eastlands? Yeah, I had some

Eastlands on. You too can have Eastlands at DSW for 79.99. I had some Eastlands on and like I had dressed up. You know? And I was... Yeah, these were dressing. They were dressing. They were dressing. They were like, dressy. But you could rock them.

Eastlands were very like... That was a popular shoe back in there. Versible. It was very versatile. You could block. Rock with a lot of different stuff. So anyway, back to the actual news topic that we were going to discuss. According to the Akron Beach Journal, there was an incident that occurred during an event marking the Memorial Day holiday. Okay.

So this all got started when retired Army lieutenant colonel Bernard Kempter started to deliver his remarks. This is hilarious. Who is white? Who is white? Kemptor, Kemptor is white. Kemptor was the keynote speaker of this Memorial Day event. He started, he got up there, you know, he's a lieutenant.

He's a commission man. He starts talking about how much Memorial Day means and all of that. And then he started talking about the discovery of newspaper clippings and handwritten notes that showed that a group of free black people. were among the first people to commemorate the Memorial Day holiday. And just when my man, Barney Kempter was getting to the black part, they cut his mic. It's not funny.

I didn't laugh, but you're making me laugh now. Oh, my God. They cut his mic. Barney's up there. Like, yo, shout out to everybody that's laid down done. And I just want to make sure that you guys know. that a large portion of this was black Americans who... Why are you doing that?

Because that's what it was like for him. I'm so slow. I'm so slow. For a second, I thought it was my grandmonds. No, that's what it was like for my man Kemptor. They just cut them off. And by the way, they, this is what I like about this, right? This is what I like about this.

They didn't even run from this. No. They didn't run from this. They said that what he was saying didn't fit in the theme and what they wanted to convey for that evening.

Yo, you can't tell, Ray, you can't tell me that's not funny. That's hysterical. You know what? Let me, let me tell me. I'm actually glad to hear you introduce this topic because I'm going to tell you I did laugh when I saw it because all I thought, first of all, I had did not know this.

So this was new to me. It's about like in South Carolina, the start of the Memorial Day and stuff? Yes, I didn't know that. So I would have been front and center really trying to listen to what he had to say. And then I guess coming off the hills of the 100th anniversary of the Tulsa massacre and just again to be silenced, to be cut off, someone's trying to talk about history of black people. and you're trying to make, you're trying to silence that, erase that, and not recognize what black people have been, have done in history.

I guess for me, I'm thinking about that and it's not funny to me because here we are in present day, 2021, and it's still happening. Not only did it happen, it proudly happened. They told a local news station, yep, no, it wasn't an engineering issue. We did it. We cut it off. It didn't fit the program. It didn't fit the thing.

I just, first of all, this man's, should be our unexpected ally of me. He is. Of course he is. He's the most unexpected of allies. He's both the most unexpected and the most ally that we've had in weeks. Lieutenant Kempter, I would love to have him on there. Now, I'll be honest with you, it's always a 50-50 ball game when you have a white dude

of Kemptor's age on there because you never know what he's going to say. You might get Kemptor on there and he might say, I learned my lesson. Remember my neighbor? He might say, look, I was just doing my best to try to give them niggers their dude. You know, I'm not going to say that. I just, the lieutenant would not do that. The colonel, what is it? Lieutenant Colonel.

What is it? I want to get his name, title right. Lieutenant Colonel. Lieutenant Colonel would not do that. I'm so, like everybody read up on this because I had, I had no idea. And I hope maybe I'm alone on this, but I had no idea that they were, you know, exuming bodies and giving them a proper burial and individual graves with honors. And I just, I just did not know any of this.

And just the fact that this was a white man bringing this to light. And they tried to silence him. How does what he was talking about not fit in with Memorial Day? Could you, can you explain that to me? It's the very most American of sentiments. It's about the very most American of sentiments. He is looking, reaching across a cultural line and looking to honor people who were patriots. And you're right.

It's about Memorial Day. Yeah. So this organized, this was the first thing, it was like, this was organized by freed slaves and some white missionaries. and it took place May 1st, 1865. So in and of itself, Memorial Day is a unifying thing if you look at it through that lens. Freed slaves and some white missionaries in Charleston, South Carolina,

at a former planters racetrack where Confederates held captured Union soldiers during the last year of the war. At least 257 prisoners died, many of the disease, and were buried in unmarked graves. So black residents of Charleston decided to give them a proper burial. my I have chill bumps right now thinking of how black people yeah I knew about it but only because it was a meme like a couple of years ago this is not something that I would learn learned in high school and college I learned it maybe like 2019 there was a meme that was going around about it but I did I had no clue even uh 10 days leading up to the event two dozen African-American charlestonians we organized the graves into rows and built a 10 foot tall white fence around them the archway

overhead spelled out martyrs of the race course in black letters. That is some of the earliest remembrances and earliest commemorations of Memorial Day. And there were 10,000 mostly black people who participated in the Tribute on May 1st. And it was documented by the Charleston Daily Courier in the New York Tribune. School children, everyone was involved. saying we'll rally around the flag. They're saying the Starsping, Black Banner. They sang all kinds of different stuff.

And it was a procession. They really got it cracking. And that is something that once again, as we were talking about a little while ago, it's not emotional. It's historical. Black people were at the forefront of that. And that's beautiful. Think about black people in 1865 having even a shred of patriotism.

If that's not worth... After what they... after what they've been through. If that's, if that's, I don't know why you wouldn't want to celebrate that. It's weird.

Sometimes it's, boy, I tell you what, man. That's right. Change that tune. Change that tune. No,

no, I'm just saying, man, I hope somebody somewhere can hear me. I'm not mad. I'm not about to get emotional or do all that stuff.

But God damn, man, if y'all don't make y'all, and I don't hate anyone. But these people make themselves easy to hate, man. I it that's wild like it this is objectively a beautiful story of unity and remembrance

and that's what the lieutenant colonel was trying to put forward and but you got to ask yourself why they would want to keep people from knowing that it's just weird like okay why it's not weird it's racist it's racist it's not it's it's racist period And the fact that they tried to silence that And you ask why we get upset When we had you, that's why I guess I couldn't laugh When I was reading it because it's so ridiculous That you would try to hide that from people

And this obviously was important enough for the lieutenant Carl To want to bring it to the forefront It's still funny though I don't care That's that like that knee was like And it was actually started by a woman named Jamisha scales And Roquan and the cut the shit

soon as they heard the black names. Quentin, uh-uh, that's not what we're here for. Mm-mm. We got to eat this potato salad. You're not about to ruin our potato salad by talking about no damn black people and no, we don't want to know that. Can we give props to him too

because they saw, they read his speech before and tried to take that out. And he still was like, no. Kemptor is a G. I'm going to talk about this. I'm going to talk about. Kemptor not playing. I'm telling you.

Kemptor not playing. Man, shout out to Kempta. I want him on the show. I want him on the show. Barnard, Barnard Kemptor, retired Lieutenant Army Colonel, retired Lieutenant Colonel, should I say.

So those in Ohio, I want them on a show. Just being not even, doesn't even have an allegiance to right or wrong, left or right, has an allegiance to the truth in history. It's amazing to see. It's amazing to see.

Okay. Yeah, but look, you guys, we have a special treat for you here after the break on higher learning. We got one of the most legendary comedians of all time. We're doing great in our comedian bags. But this guy's up there, up there, up there. We got Kat Williams, the star of Meet the Blacks, too. So we're going to join us on the other side of this break. This episode is brought to by the active cash credit card from Wells Fargo.

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You guys, it's not often that we get to use the L word on the podcast, but we are definitely using the L word on the podcast today, and that L word is legend. Oh, we have an absolute legend in his feet. on the podcast today. Kat Williams, who is the star of the House Next Door, Meet the Blacks, two joins us today

on Higher Learning. Brother, we are pleased to have you. Thank you. What a fine introduction, thank you so much, and thank you, Rachel, as well. So when I say that, when I described you as a legend

in comedy, do you feel like that's an apt description of Cat Williams. Legendary, yeah. At what point, because see, I'm going to be honest with you. Like, I don't really, I don't really, I don't know what that's like.

At what point did you look up at yourself and was like, yo, I'm one of the greats to do this ever. I'm one of the best at this of all time and nobody can't take it away from me. During the pandemic. Oh, it was during the pandemic. Really?

Why do you say that? Well, you really, I have been working for, on humility for this last portion of my life. Those of us that go through the commandments, there's some that we're just not good at, patience and humility work that I needed to work on. And that's what I worked on. By the same token, though, it's bad for our. our community for our business if we act like the good people in our business are the villains because then it means that our villains are somehow put on a pedestal as good guys and in our

business it's the body of work that speaks to what you are in our field the quality and the quantity of the work that you put out and so based upon that is why I accepted the L word just because the work has been put in. Just because the content is put in, the care has been there. The fact that the things hold up over time. And because you are a legend, what is your take on the current state of comedy right now? Like, especially in regards, because I don't know if I've heard you talk about it, just like with cancel culture and comedy and people feeling like they can't be them true selves on

the stage. What's your take on all that? I'm a guy in the game that appreciates that. There has to be bounds. Cancel culture is not really a thing. See, cancellation doesn't have its own culture. This was a part of people of colors culture. And we needed something that would police our people that were being trashed and physically,

mentally and financially raped in our business. by people that were wealthier and bigger than them. And then they were able to sweep their small voices under the rug. And that's what canceled culture was for, was to make sure that there was a recompense for whatever action you did. So I'm not one of those people that thinks it's a bad thing. I'm not really sure who we think got canceled that shouldn't have been. So you have to understand that when things evolve,

you either evolve with it or you evolve against it. And there is no such thing is that I don't want to call somebody something that I shouldn't call them. When if I had known that, I could have found something else to call them. You understand? So nobody likes the speed limit, but it's there for a reason. Nobody wants to be on the shoulder of the road because it's bumpy. But that's to wake you up to get back in lane. And most people that are complaining about not having anything to say, didn't have anything to say in those years when they could say,

whatever they wanted to. They didn't make it then either. Yeah, no, no. Hey, I'm gonna be honest with you. I was not expecting that answer from you, brother. Because you've always said whatever you wanted and been there. And, you know, I talk to a lot of comedians

and I have comic friends. And it seems to be kind of a running narrative amongst the comic community that they feel a little shackled by what it is that they can and cannot say these days. You just, you hear everybody, everybody talking about it. Right, because,

Because I'm not that outspoken for the sake of being outspoken. They say that I'm outspoken because no one pays me. So I don't have in 9, 10, 11 specials, I don't have anybody that put up money to see Cat Williams be successful or took him out on the road and exposed him. This was me financing, writing, doing every set for 16, 100 city tours. was like this was our same entity doing this. So we don't have to be beholding to entities because we've not taken anything from any entities. Just because there are bad elements doesn't mean

that you can now say, yeah, you can't, you're scared to say anything now. What did you think you were saying before? Those jokes weren't famous, those ones when you could say whatever you wanted, you know what I mean? So you can expect me to have a different. answer to the questions that people have agreed upon because that's what makes me a legendary comic is that if you line me up with a hundred other comics, I'm not going to say what 99 comics said. And that's that's where you get a legendary status in comedy.

Is it me or you? It's you. It's you. Thank you, Kat. Is you, Rachel? I saw where Suidi was talking, and she was talking, I don't know, she might be talking in Breakfast Club or something like that, and she was saying how one of your jokes helped her get over people hating on her.

Her dad showed her a joke of yours where you talked about haters and how that's a good thing. If you got 14 haters, you need 20 more or something like that. Do you hear that a lot about the work that you do? Like people coming up to you saying, hey, like this joke helped me through this. I mean, like the depth of the things that you talk about, even more. most recently what you did with Supreme. I really feel like your jokes help people. Sorry, I lost my voice.

I had a good weekend cat. That's okay. I love when a woman's voice sounds like that. It means a good weekend. I was just wondering, do you hear that a lot? Like, Sweetie's comments of people coming up to you

and saying your comedy helps them get through things or over certain things. Yeah, well, A, it's for them. So I'm not surprised that it's benefiting people. That's who the medicine was prescribed to. Number one. Number two, anything that you hear me saying to my audience

is something that I'm also saying to myself first. That's the relationship with my, that has propelled me to a higher place. I don't think there's anything more important on this planet than a woman, period. Because that's how I feel, that bleeds into. everything that I do. It's not a thing that was done because a movement came. I really love my

people even at the worst of them. So that comes through. I need someone to understand that hatred is part of it. It went for Gandhi. It went for Jesus. It went for Muhammad. It goes for you. And if you understood that that was part of what comes with it, then you'd understand that the rind comes with the orange. The seeds are in the watermelon. You understand that you don't eat the silk off the corn. The corn's up under. These are pieces to God's creation. And if you can have somebody give that to you, even if it's comedically, it can help. And it's not going to apply to anybody except the people that were already great, the people that just needed a word, the people that,

and that's who I service. So I'm no different than anybody else who loves their job, but I really love my job. It was the only really care about in the world. So it's a blessed place. So I'm going to ask that, you know, comedy is, is bustling right now. A lot of guys out there, and there's a lot of dudes out there doing it at a very high level.

you know, is this like tears of comedy. And to you, what makes a legendary comic? Like, what are the ingredients? I'm sure you would agree that Dave Chappelle is a legend. I'm sure that you would agree that Chris Rock is a legend. And, you know, there are other guys like obviously Kevin Hart has done his thing. And he's up on that kind of legendary status. Now what, and you're there.

And there's a lot of different people that are, up there, Bill Burr all over the place. Like what makes a legendary comic? Like what makes a comic to you? Like what are the ingredients? Because I'm here you talking about longevity. You're talking about originality. What makes all, what's the, what's the elixir?

All of the comedians that you named with no exception were working in 1999 and were well on their way to being famous. Okay. meaning that you can already enter yourself like with any work, play into a field of people knowing that you're good.

And you have to be good for a portion of time in order to be great. And then you have to be great for a portion of time to become legendary. You follow what I'm saying? There's no short cuts to any of this. So John Morant can be the great. version of himself. He's just coming out and he can just come out and you can say in watching him for just this playoffs, man, that dude's going to be great, right? LeBron on 17th, 18th, 19th season is a whole different element of greatness. Part of the upper tier is not what's happened good for.

It's what has happened messed up in your life also as well during this period of time that you were able to supersede. You follow I'm saying? Richard Pryor doesing of comedy without being a crackhead, without free basin, without sleeping with guys, without marrying seven women.

This is all part of this dude's story. And the legendary goat status is that he was able to do all of that and still be the goat in our framework. And at some point, that's where longevity comes into play. but our field has always been busy and there is great talent out there

whether they came through Instagram or Snapchat or TikTok there are some really great funny young minds that have entered our comedy space and that's what comedy always does. Who's the funniest new guy that you like? Is there anybody in particular? Well, we would have to quantify

new guy. Okay. Only because you know, in comedy and stand-up, especially. You can be doing this thing for five to seven years and still consider yourself and be considered a new comic. A lot of these Billy Strills and delays have only recently gotten the status that they think and the issue becomes, okay, let's say you do have it. You've got the crown. Well, part of the rest of this is how you carry it, how you hold it, and how long you keep it up there. And so that's what the Tony Bakers and the Tahirs and that's what these new guys

bring to that forum is, you know, Kev on stage. These guys are giving you different variations of our craft and that's important as well. Kat, does it bother you when people make certain assumptions about you because it's something that they've read or they think they know or like even most recently when you were talking to Fat Joe and he was talking to you about comedians and drugs and how he perceives that, does that bother you when you hear stuff like that? I'm empowered by a lot of the things that bother me.

It's hard for me to complain about the fuel. I have in the past allowed those things to be said just because I don't really mind people being dumb and dumb people aren't part of my fan base. So if you, if you, If you wanted to believe that Cat Williams was anything negative, then first and foremost, you should be able to beat him. So even if he was all the things that you labeled him with,

it doesn't explain how he outworks you on a consistent basis in every lane, movies, TV, stand up. As a person, he looks better. A lot of the things don't add up, but they're done by the system purposely. So if they can't find something positive to say about you, they will find negative things to say. And apologies and things are not even built in our system. So in our system, it's a part of a thing to say, this person was charged with these crimes. But there is no part of the system that makes those same people come back out and go. The charges were dismissed because the guy was innocent.

And we should have never subjected if none of that ever. comes about. And at the end of the day, it's easier for people to believe bad things about you. To believe good things about a person means an investment in character. It's much easier to go, yeah, yeah, yeah. He sweats on stage, drugs. The other way would be maybe that's the only guy on stage not wearing makeup. I don't know. I don't need to leave the witness. I don't feel however you'd like to be. I have that's a month. I'm performing for ladies who want to see me sweat the hair out. I don't have the concern of penises because that's not my fan base.

And even when I said that, people were like, he thinks he's got the most female fan base. My fan base is 86% female. Is that enough? Is that enough? Does that not already blessed amongst the men? I'm thankful that they're talking about. Back in the day they said used to say all press is good press. They stopped saying that they used to say well just be worried when they stop talking about you

But yeah longevity works with rumors really well So look there's a cat Williams clip that I watch all the time and I don't know if people are gonna be mad at me For saying that this is the one that I watch all the time Because it was very controversial. It wasn't very controversial it was a So a couple of years ago, you went on V-103 in Atlanta. Do you remember that? Yeah, that's a good one. And it was, and this right here, and I want people to, when you watch the clip,

watch the stages leading up to what happened. Everybody's having a good time. People are going back and forth. And then for some reason, the signals get crossed. and you can tell on Kat's face that he felt like somebody was coming for him and the lady's name was Wanda and she was a comedian down there in Atlanta

and Kat just am I wrong about that? Am I saying it up wrong? No, yes. Okay, tell me. Two of those things are wrong. Okay, okay. And they shade the whole thing. Okay, tell me what happened.

Tell me what happened. Because this is a legendary viral moment of Cat Rosen, a female comedian, a cat roasting, a friend, I shouldn't say female, a cat roasting, a comedian that was the co-host of Frank Ski's show. Oh, he's shaking the head. He said no. Okay, what, okay, what happened?

So there were two things at play. Okay. At play was, this was not my moment. This was not supposed to be my moment. This was supposed to be another comedian, Red Grant. Red Grant. Shout out, Ray Grant. It was his moment, right?

This person comes to me and tries to make it Can't you say hi to your people? Atlanta loves you. I represent Atlanta and you just won an Emmy for Atlanta. I don't want to talk about your personal life. I don't want to talk about your kids. I just want to big up you to my crowd. That's how this was set up.

So automatically when she goes into kids and whatnot, it's already off the rails at that point. I'm telling her, ma'am, I've watched you and your response when my name is brought up on your channel. It was the fact that she, She went out of her way to say that wouldn't be the case. You follow what I'm saying? I don't do that at my comedy shows.

I'm not a comedian that picks on the audience. That's not a part of my of my thing. Atlanta is famous for roosters, but I'm not a rooster. I'm a fighter. Also offended because I know all of, I know the majority of female comics in this business. And I know that as a big time male comedian, you have to go out of your way to hire these female comics.

so that they're represented. And my fan base is female. So I make sure that I bring female artists for my fan base to see. That woman is not a comedian then or now. That woman was never a step. That was nobody's favorite comic ever. That wasn't a comedian. That was a radio personality that used to come and do comedy shows and host

and steal people's material. This was a hack. So there was no respect comedically. it was actually disrespect. And so that's how it was handled. My job was to use no curse words to not demean her in any way. And if your husband pulls a pistol out on me,

not make sure that he goes to jail for the rest of his life, destroying your family. These are the G things I have to do in these scenarios because those type of people can never win in any scenario. Yeah, she definitely didn't win in that one. No, because you have to be, delusional to want to engage yourself with me like that. Like understand I was on Wild and out I was 35 years old and there with them

young youngsters, what you want to play with on any level, however you want to deal with things. I work too hard. I tried too much. I care too much. Beating me is no, no, it's unnecessary. Would you, last question for me, because I know Rachel's got a couple, would you ever see yourself doing a movie with Kevin Hart.

Kat Williams, Kevin Hart, big time comic deal, leaking up. When these people say these things to you, they're only saying these things for your reaction. They're saying that's what they want people to say. If you look back on their IMDB, you'll probably notice they already work. You have done movies, yeah. You follow what I'm saying? They probably had the movie Two Minutes of Fame with me and Jay Farrow, and it was probably on the LOL network, and you decided to not be in the movie with your own art.

Like, no. I don't do that. That's what this movie here shows. I'm not an ego-driven person. I want what's best for the audience. No matter what the size of my role is, it's I know young Cat Williams is in that theater, and he wants to see what I'm going to do. And he believes that I'm going to give it 100%.

If it's on stage, if it's on TV, if it's on film, he feels like I'm 100% invested. Only care is making him laugh or making her laugh. And that's what I try to bring to this sport. And I feel like if that's how you felt, you probably are better than the rest. Who knows? Rachel?

Last question I was asking. Last question I'll ask you. It's just you've got the new movie, The House Next Door, Beat the Blacks, too. Please tell us about it because it's coming out in theaters. I'm not sure when this is going to air, but it's coming out of theater soon. Shout out Dionne Cole.

And why we all should go out and see it. Dionne Taylor. Yeah. Dion Taylor. My bad. My bad. Yeah. Right.

So this was already a group of family that had done a movie together. And the only additions to the cast were myself and my henchmen. And so we were the only additions to this universe. And so it made it a play-in, playoff's type of situation. Then it allowed me to, when I read script, I'm not the funny guy in the script. I'm a straight man. So now if you got me as a straight man, you must really have some shooters. And considering we really did have some shooters, that's what made it work so well.

and organically because a lot of the things that should have been acting weren't acting. They were natural. Yeah. And Dionne going to be mad at me because I called him Dionne Cole. But look, he sent me to – he sent me the trailer. Shout out to – shout out to – shout out to Dionne Cole. Dion Taylor, my guys. Like, they sent me the trailer.

And it's like, yo, Van, post the trailer. And I'm going to be honest with you. There are – it's very rarely that you – You laugh. You guys, anyone that's thinking about going to see the movie, just put the trailer on. The shit is fucking hysterical. Like literally.

Well, what makes it different, though, is lots of trailers are funny. But then when you get to the movie, you find out all the funny parts were in the next. Right. Right. Yeah, this is not that scenario. And you say you're playing the straight man, but you're playing it so straight that is dumb-ass funny. Like he's being like a, like, he's like a, he's like an elegant type of villain this character.

And it's so, yeah, and it's so straight that is dumb-ass funny. Shout out to Duvall. Shout out to Michael and everybody that's in the movie. But it really, I really cannot wait to actually go see the film. I can't wait. It's going to be real, real funny, man. And it's good to talk to you. We haven't ever.

The last time I saw you, you might not remember this. I was a TMZ cameraman. And I got a shot. You don't think I remember your meat, bro? You don't think I. What happened? What happened? This is only two people that were going to make it out of TMZ that generation.

And it was the guy who's with you. And there was another young lady who had potential. But at each point, I'm him and these folks. up like y'all know you're part of the machine that chews up dudes like me he was he was he was he just it was always be always be real you would shoot cat cat will give you to the answer and then he he would give you a jewel and it would be so it was like i i used to tell my homies it'd be so loving he'd be like this and i know that you know you're better than this have a great day what is about because you know, it doesn't matter what lane it is.

As an older person, you see the potential in younger people, and you see when somebody has a moral compass and the ability to have a standard. And you know when people are too good for stuff, but you understand what springboards are. You understand what stepping stones are. And so, you know, that's how far back we go. But that means that when I see,

see it down the line, it makes sense, you know? So word up. A big compliment, man. Yeah, man. Look, that, like, one of the smartest, one of the best interviews, one of, like, the last true, authentic guys we have out here in this space. Happy to see you prospering and thriving, bro. Happy to see, you know, you doing your thing, man, and embracing that legendary status, bro.

So thank you for joining us today, Kat. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Thank you so much. Take care. Rachel, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. No matter what your voice is doing, it's a pleasure.

Oh, thank you so much. No problem. All right. All right, it's mailback time. Okay, drop the song. Mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback time.

Write us with your queries and we'll Chime in All right, Trudy Oh, by the way, before we even get to the mailback, somebody, I got to look back and give this guy props for his name. Somebody made a beat to the mailback song. He dropped some, yeah,

I got to look at his name was on Reddit. Shout out to R Thought Wars. You know what? I, I dejoined the Reddit group. I jumped, I'm not in the Reddit group anymore. Because Why? You were so happy about it. It's not my place to be in the Reddit group. The Reddit group,

no somebody brought up a good point did you tell them that somebody said that uh somebody that was very critical with my performance on the podcast but still though I appreciate it somebody brought up a good point someone said that me being on the Reddit group cheapens the expressions of the Reddit group because there might be fans on there they're not giving their true opinions about things because I know I'll see it that's very true so I everybody go to our thought warriors

is still popping over there but it's not for me is for the fans. There you go. Trudy, let's go. Let's go with the mailback time. Let's do it now. Yes. Okay, from Olivia Keebler, how old were you when you got into your first fist fight?

My question to Olivia is, how old were you when you first produced your most delicious cookie? Like, how old were you when you and the rest of your elves that live in a tree? and produce cookies. How old are you then? Cleber, Keebler elves. Like how old, you don't know the Keebler elves?

She's a Keebler. Keebler. I do. I'm just trying to follow you right now. How old when you first produced? Her name is Olivia Keebler. Was that her last name? There's no way she could have gone to school with me.

I'd have been bringing her pointy-ass shoes, putting a little paper hat. on her head the whole nine. Like, fan, stop, stop. I'm just joking Olivia Kepler. We live in a house. We are elves and we make the cookies. Yeah.

All right. How old were you? Like, how was I? How was I when I got my first fist fight? I don't know, like six. I've never been in a like a full on fight. My first time when I hit somebody, she didn't hit back.

First time I hit somebody. I think my dad said I was like five, five or six. Six like I, like I, I remember I got into it and I remember getting punched in the face and being like, damn, that shit hurt. I remember I got hit right there and then my shit swelled up. It's like six. I'm putting in some work.

You know what I'm saying? All right. Next question. From Courtney, if you Freaky Friday with your co-host, what is the first thing you have to have? This question is problematic for a lot of reasons. I feel like if we Freaky Friday... I actually like the question. Nasty.

If you freaky Friday with your co-host, what is the first thing you would do as them? Okay, stop. You know what the first thing I would do? I would call Chris Harrison. I would. I would call Chris Harrison. I'm going to say that. I'll call Chris Harrison.

I pick up. I was like, yo, what's popping? But it would be like Van talking as Rachel. Hi, Rachel. How are you doing? I would, it's funny. I was going to say I would call somebody too. I would call your dad.

Because you continue to, yes, you, he's, you tell all these stories. He's so funny. You keep him from us. You won't let him come on the podcast. I want to meet them. That's who I would call. I'd also take your Oscar and just like walk down the street with it and let everybody know that I want to ask it. You call my dad and then I want to hold the Oscar.

You would almost immediately regret it. When I tell you, you almost immediately regretted. Like, hello? Hey there boy. How you doing? Uh, hi, Mr. Lathen. Mr. Lathen. Nick,

nigger, what is wrong with you? Because you don't know. Why would I say that? Who are you talking to with Mr. Lathen? You put a yes on the end of that, sir. And right away, you have no idea what to say. I got it. I got to.

My boy. How your gal doing? How your gal doing? You gal doing all right? Yeah, she's a good question. All right, dad. All right, nah. I'm telling you.

You don't do no hard or work in your relationship than some dick work. Make sure she don't step out on you now, boy. I'm telling you, hard work is dick work. Make sure she ain't going nowhere now. Telling you.

Let me know if you need to tag your daddy in and hold it down. He says stuff like that. I'm telling you. All right, next question. The next question. That's how the nigga talk. I can't.

Yeah. I'm so intrigued. From Sasha Millette, you have 24 hours left to live in $1 million to spend. Who are you going to spend? Oh, no. And what are you going to spend the money on? You said, who are you going to what? Spend the 24 hours with and who are you,

and what are you going to spend the million dollars on? The 24 hours with Kalika. And I'm going to spend the money making up for mistakes that I've made over the course of our relationship. just buying different shit and just making sure we're good before I piece out. Like that's what's going to happen.

But I don't know. You guys know me. If I know that the clock is ticking, I'm not going to be able to think of anything besides the like, right, the clock and cupcakes. I'm just going to be one big cupcake. What about you, Rach?

I would probably spend it with obviously Brian, But I'd want to have my parents. I'd want to at least see my parents. I want to see my grandmother. I want to see my siblings. I want to see as many loved ones as I can. My final moments I would want with Brian. I would give, for the million, I'd get 10% to the church.

Brian would be taken care of because that's what life insurance is for. And I would probably just donate it. I would just spread it out and donate it. Because all I would want, inside 24 hours left, It's just that time with loved ones. I wouldn't care about doing big things or buying things. Let me just give it away. You and Brian could do Greas.

Lightning. You know, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, I love Greece.

Now, this is a movie I can play with you with, of course. I do, too. Greece two. Have you seen Greece two? Have you seen Greece two? Okay. Born to hand job, baby.

Born to hand job, babe. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

If the rewatchables do grease, they have to bring me on. That's probably the only movie I could do. No, but he has to like decide which movies. Probably either Bill, Chris or Sean. I'm not sure. the way it goes. They just call me up and be like, hey, man, we're doing this on the rewatchables and then I go in and have a great time with the guys. But I wonder if they would do grease.

I wonder if they've done Greece. I made the case. Convance them. Convince them. They had to have done a lot of land. It might be the first musical they've done. They had to have done La Lalo Land. I don't know. Maybe they didn't. Maybe it came out too soon. I don't know. I have to look. I have to look. Who knows?

All right. Last question. This is from Olivia P. What are your biggest people? and growing up in the South. Both serious, like your faith and weird, like, foods. You said serious, like, your faith and weird, like, food stuff? What's another question? You want to answer that one?

What is the most important? Big thing is growing up in the South. So, okay. So, in Louisiana, it rains a lot, right? So like, so when it rains in Louisiana, it's like it rains,

especially in the summer, and it's super hot, and the rain comes through, and it's very, very, like, chaotic. It's chaotic, it's chaotic. It's like not the rain we get out here, this minor league rain that we get in L.A. It's like major league rains,

like, storms, almost as if there's so much going on that the earth is violently crying in an emotional way, trying to wipe it away. But right after it rains, like right after it rains in Louisiana, the humidity makes the condensation on the ground sort of rise, and then the air kind of pushes down a little bit. And there's this moment where you feel like you're in heaven, and everybody is outside, right? Yeah, it is. And so, and everybody is outside. Wow. Everyone's outside. People come outside.

It's safe to come back outside again. The storm has passed. And growing up in the South, there was always something like that. It's less about, at least for me, growing up in Louisiana, it was less about concentrating on myself. Like, myself and my individual needs didn't really matter that much. What mattered was like how we acted. and functioned and moved as a community.

Who was going to tell you it was safe to come outside when the storm was over? Who was going to look after you if you got home and your door was locked and you didn't have anywhere to go? Or like who was going to feed you if y'all were having a down month and there was nowhere to eat? Like it was a feeling that people were going to come out

when they was safe and they also weren't going to let you do bad. Even if they didn't like you, they weren't going to let you do bad. They were going to do a little thing to make sure that in the moment you had what it is that you needed. And the moment that you go to some other place, you search for that

and you kind of spend the rest of your life like trying to find a place where you have that. And there might be little pockets where you have it, right? You might have it at a friend's house. You might have it at your community center. You might even have it at your gym if you out there hooping with your homeboys.

But living that where every single person matters to the tandem where like we're a neighborhood to where we're a part of town to where we're a town like my dad's town of Maryland and all the people are they know each other

and there's a familiarity and there's an understanding even though we talk shit even though we fight even though there's racism and there's all that stuff there's like a cultural oneness and that's what the South really means to me and I think you have to be a southerner

to understand it. Like, like, you, you have to be a southerner to really get how that is because people look at it

and they go, look, that's a place I would never want to live. And it's a place I might never live again, but in order to make me who I am,

it's the only place I could have come from. So like, so I adore Louisiana and I adore the South because I adore people's real emotions and how they really,

feel about things and what they really think. And that's what you get when you're down there. That was very prophetic. And I don't want to say anything. I was going to say something silly or something. But no, I definitely agree with you. It's you, what you just described is a form of Southern pride. And you don't get it.

You don't understand it unless you're from here. Now, I can't, I cannot relate to the whole community. You never played baseball. You never played baseball. That's why. Wow. That was beautiful. to play baseball, you know when you're out on the field

and you feel like, oh, my God. Sweet relief. And then it's right there, but then it burns off and it's hot again. But right there in that middle part, it's perfect. All right. Who's your unexpected to ally of the week? Big Rach. Oh, okay.

Let me get her name right. Because I actually have one this week, other than Lieutenant Colonel. Mine goes to Paxton Smith. Oh, I heard about this. The Valley Victorian of Lake Highlands High School, class of 2021. Lake Highlands is a school in Dallas inside of Dallas Prover. Very familiar with it.

Had several friends who graduated from the school. But for her to use her commencement ceremony speech to talk about issues of pro-choice, I think is a bold and beautiful thing, especially in the state of Texas, to bring awareness to the issues that are surrounding and are threatening. Uh, pro choice.

And so I, I just commend her for that. She had submitted her speech before the ceremony and then decided to change it on what was important to her, what was on her heart. So kudos to her for that. That actually is great. I love to see the youth get involved. I read that story. That was dope. Mine is the lieutenant colonel.

He put it on the line. He did those, he did his thing. And they cut that man's mic. They cut this man's mic. God damn it. I tell you what. All right. Look, that's enough.

That's enough. That's enough higher learning for right now. Take thin caps off, but do not stop learning tomorrow. Oh, actually, I guess it's today. Tune in the Big Rache on the View. All right. Watch Big Rache on the View. Sarah's Days on the View are number.

I see a new sheriff's town. I'm just joking. I don't know that lady. I hope she has her job. as long as she wants it. Oh, take you, think keeps off.

Now I'm Van Lathan. Yeah. I'm Rachel Lindsay. Bye, guys.