Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Coming Out in the NFL, the Fight Over CRT, and Vaccination Hesitation

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay kick things off by addressing Rachel’s recent New York magazine cover story and what she and Tupac have in common (7:13); also, Georgia Governor Brian Kemp appeals to the MAGA crowd (40:09), while NFL defensive end Carl Nassib makes sports history (53:52). Plus, wide receiver Cole Beasley isn’t feeling the NFL’s COVID protocols (1:01:05).  Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen. And it's me, Rachel Lincoln. So Rachel, Rachel was looking at my, if you're watching the broadcast, it's a broadcast. If you're watching on Spotify or you're watching on YouTube, my, um, my walking six are in the back of this. My walking six are on the back, uh, in the back of this.

You can see them back there. And Rachel is, why? Why do I have the walking sticks? Yeah, like, what's the, I don't understand the use of walking sticks. Why can't you just walk, speedwalk, a brisk jog? Okay. I'm not understanding the need. Please explain to me why people use walking sticks.

Okay. Because I've only ever seen Phil from modern family use them. So I take long walks, right? Yeah. I take long walks. And when you take long walks like I take, sometimes your hands swell. because of all of the times that your hands are spending below your waist and the blood's rushing down there. Like I'll take long walks.

We're talking like two hours. At what mile do the hands start to swell? It's not about miles. Okay. At what time? Like, I'd say probably, oh, at what mile? You mean what mile this happens? Not what miles per hour.

Very good question. Yeah. I'd say. I'd say, I'd say, you were clocking yourself. Or I do clock myself miles power that I walk. I do. Oh. Yeah.

Excuse me. I would say probably around mile four. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Never got there before. So I wouldn't know. Yeah.

Around mile four. So what you do is you have the walking sticks, right? And the walking sticks keep your hands above your waist. And so you're laughing. You know, it's okay. I mean, the reality is that. It is. It's okay.

It's you. The walking six keep your hands. That is making laugh. And you know what? Why can't you just pump your arms and speedwalk? You know, like, like they used to be an event in track. I don't know if it still is. Yeah.

But you know, like the speedwalk. Yeah. You can, but you're going to forget. Because it's so natural to walk with your hands by your side, you know. And after a while for me, I can never remember to keep my hands up in the walking position. And the walking sisters take away the, uh, the, to take away the thought process from it. So they don't help you walk faster.

You don't, it doesn't help any other way other than with your hands. I never knew that. For me, that's why I do it. Okay. And also if there's like a row. Because I see they have straps on them. So that's so you can hold them. Yeah.

And that and that's like, I'll show you. And that's like, so you take it. You take it right there and you put your hands in right there and you walk and see this little thing. That's for the little space between. your hands between your index finger and your middle finger and you walk like that and you go for it. You do it. Okay.

Does Kalika have them too or are you just like Lone Ranger with it? She thinks they're funny. People think they're funny. I don't care what people think. I know and you should. You know what? If it helps you accomplish what you need to do, good for you. It's just weird to see them in the flesh.

Okay. I've never seen the walking sticks. In the flesh. I was feeling super fat when I woke up this morning because, you know, I've been on the road. But then, you know, it's crazy. I went to this new place and I worked out. I had one good workout and I, you know. Here?

Yeah, here in LA and I crushed the workout. I'm just thinking it's just a matter of time. Good. It's a matter of time. Yeah. It's a matter of time. You have your own summer. Hell yeah.

My summer is not going to be my, this is the name of my summer is no carb summer. That's my summer. No car. No carb summer. Let's go. No carb summer. Did you have a good time? Where in New York? In New York and Atlanta.

Did you enjoy your vacation? It wasn't a vacation. I had to work. I mean, I know it was work, but I felt like you got to see some people. So a little business and pleasure. It was, I worked a lot. Didn't you tweet that you went on a boat and stuff? Like, did I make this up?

That was a joke. So I tweeted that I was going on Lake Lanier, which is a very dangerous lake. Donnie Beecham jump in here. I know nothing. Like Donnie Beecham is from the Atlanta area. Donnie jump in now, I said. I'm in here.

And so I tweeted that I was going on Lake Lanier. I took it a serious. No. Donnie, tell people about Lake Lanier in the Atlanta, Georgia, Georgia area. I honestly can't tell them anything. I've only been here since April. I'm not from Atlanta. This is, yeah, I'm a new Atlanta resident.

Bye, Donnie. Thanks for adding nothing to you. podcast. Jesus Christ, man. What are we doing here? Like, what are we doing? Don't, no, no, no. Don't expect everybody to know every single tidbit that you know.

I've never heard of Lake Lanier. I really was happy for you. I was like, wow, man, reconnected with some friends. Did you read the tweet? The tweet said, I reconnected with some friends I had fallen out with. And they were going to give me the day I deserve on the lake. The lake is like a, it's like a haunted type lake with like all kinds of weird things that have happened around it.

I was joking around. In my defense, I get it now, but I never had heard of this. I thought, wow, he fell off with friends. You know, like maybe during COVID, they reconnected and they're going to show him a great day on the lake while he's in town. It's fair to say that you could see it a whole different way. No. But, okay, it was a joke.

I hung out with my friend Jason from Bossip. I hung out with him. I hung out with Nick May. Shout out to Nick May. And then, you know, in New York, it was just fun. bunch of people met up with them, but not really that much because the days were pretty long on the shoot for hip hop homicides, which is the show that I was doing out there, hip hop homicides. I got a chance to talk with Curtis, 50 Cent Jackson.

Curtis put it out there before you announced it. Yeah, Curtis was, 50's good for that, you know what I mean? Do you call him Curtis or do you call him 50? I've never had to call him anything. So I never had to been like, you know, what up? when do you say that but you say something like I've never said to you I've never said have I ever used your name towards you I don't know that I have yes really I think so interesting but never have with him I'm pretty sure I call him 50 though every time you you want to say something after we say yo yo yo yo this is how I learning you'll be like Rachel oh it's very true did you know about one and three people with plaques psoriasis may also develop psoriotic arthritis, which causes joint pain, stiffness, and swelling? Does this sound like you? Listen to what it sounds like to be a million miles away. Trimphaya, Gucalcumab taken by injection,

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Oh, and we have a Rachel for this episode because you was firing. Boop, Boop! Midnight Boy shots at people on the internet. Some people that were at the ringer were concerned and they called me to ask if you were okay. Why were they want to know if I was okay? Because you went off on social media about the Vulture article. Did you read the article?

I read parts of it. People were sending it to me and I was like, if there's one person who doesn't need any more press is Rachel Lindsay. So this is this is actually I had a terrible weekend and I've been Interesting I knew I had worked on this piece. It's actually very upsetting to me like I was like really upset Because I had worked with the writer and shout out to Allison. She's absolutely amazing On an as told by article for weeks and this was kind of like a finale thing for me where I feel like people have been You know telling me what they think about me assuming certain things and this was the opportunity for me

me a cover feature for me to really just tell things in a way that I haven't been able before. It's a very long article in a way I haven't been able to before. So I was really excited about it coming out. And then Friday, everything was collaborative until the cover. And they were like, yep, there's the cover. It's already gone to print. And the headline on the cover is the exact thing that I was trying to say, I'm not responsible for in the article.

And the article is about explaining how we got here to this point in the Bachelor franchise. And then they took the low-hanging fruit and used that type of title for clickbait. People would have clicked on the article regardless because it's Bachelor and it's me talking about it. And everybody knows I'm opinionated and I'm going to say something. And what was the headline that they went out just so people know? Oh, the headline was Oops. I blew up The Bachelor by Rachel Lindsay. I've never even said those words.

I don't believe that in any way. That's not even reflected in the article. So for me, it was just really disappointing that that's how things ended up and something that I was so proud to share. I haven't even shared on my social media. I had to instead put out a statement. I had to instead deal with back and forth all weekend

to try to get on the same page and we never could. They stood by that title. This is why you are like Tupac. Wow Tupac Tupac Lindsay It's true Why?

Why? Because there was a vibe cover Back in the day It was Pock We was in a straight jacket And the headline On the cover was Is Tupac crazy

And I remember Tupac was in an interview And they asked him about it And he goes No I'm not crazy Hell no I'm not crazy Was I crazy When I sat down

for the fucking interview with y'all. No, not the only thing about that is the cover art is of Tupac in a straight jacket. So, I don't know when he posed for that picture, if they got a picture from somewhere else, but whatever. And he was upset that he had talked to them, and then they came back and questioned dissanity.

So the moment that I heard about this, I was like, God damn. Rache Pock. Rache Pock is she got the... We haven't used that in a long time. Yeah, Rage Pock got the same problems as Tupac has. I guess my thing is and the question is

what did you think they were going to do did you think that did you have some report with them to where you figured that this wasn't going something oh wow okay yeah we had a whole collaborative thing like the whole deal was the reason I went with them that wasn't my only option is because it was a cover feature

and it was me working with them I was originally going to write it and then they wanted to do as told by and it was supposed to to be, I mean, every week we were meeting about it and for like six weeks. And then we were told that there would not be a gotcha headline. We were told they would not do that. And so we were kept in the loop until it went to print. We never saw the cover until they were like, hey, it went to print. And I guess for me, you can't say that you're really interested in me sharing my story and you

understand where I'm coming from and then you use that kind of title. And then just the fact that they wouldn't change it. You know, you could change it on social. Well, really, to be honest with you, if you had a problem with the title after you had worked with them, they should have changed it, you know. I should change it. I think so as well. Because I have no problems with what was written on the inside.

And I want people to read that. But for me, it plays right into all the negative things that people say about. me that they think that I did, which is in, and the fact that it said I, and then by Rachel Lindsay makes it sound like it's a quote. The oops. I don't even talk like that. Oops, I blew up the bachelor. It makes it sound so cavalier like I'm like stupid ditsy. Oops, you guys. That doesn't mean that doesn't even fit me. Makes you like per. I blew up the bachelor. Me. Hi. Hi guys. Black people again. We ruin everything. It's just and then it's like it makes me look angry even like the roses to burn like I'm just like torching everything up and it's like you guys read the article well just read the article you are a little angry

angry about what I'm angry at the style yes I think that soup kitchen Harrison called this out by the way my mom said I should stop calling him soup kitchen Harrison because my mother's like I love your mom she's like uh you know he could buy the fucking soup kitchen she's like it's disrespectful to people who actually have to go So mom is right. It is. Well, look, I tell you what, we got some things in common, man. When I left TMZ or when they kicked me to the curb, it was trial. Sent you to the soup kitchen. It was trial by fire, you know?

It was like it was a violent ending to the relationship because, and I don't mean that literally. I mean that in the sense of there was a big, It was a big commotion because to like shake off something that had kind of sort of been a big part of your definition to people sometimes there's a lot of ruckus. I feel like you're going through that same ruckus. And I guess the only question is how are you handling all of this ruckus? What does it make you think? I mean, I wasn't okay over the weekend because I just had so much anxiety of are people going to think that I'm wearing that title like a badge.

Like, hey guys, guess what I did? I blew this up. And that was never my intention. If you read the article, you see that certain things happen to get to get us to this point. And I guess that's that. Like, I'm used to, I knew people were going to hate. They were going to have a problem with what I say. But don't misrepresent what this article was supposed to mean.

And that, to me, was what was so true. It's a false misrepresentation. I never was. And there's so many other options. They say I blew up The Bachelor. You know, like, I don't know. It could have been anything. It could be anything but that.

Right. Anything but that. Right. So. But, you know, it's out there. There's been a lot of support. People have been saying great things. I appreciate that.

I don't want people to think that that goes unnoticed. But for me, I was very scared to wake up today. You were scared. Just to be really honest. Because I had a lot of anxiety. Like a lot, a lot. a lot. And I just really thought they would change it.

And they didn't. But. Vulture. That is what it is. Culture. It's New York. It's New York Magazine. Oh, it's New York Magazine? Why don't I think it was Vulture?

Because Vulture's a part of it. So, like, Vulture posted it as well. It's like all under Vox. Oh, Vox did this? Damn, Vox. I like Vox. It's all in Vox. Oh, man.

I don't know about the conglomerates, man. I like Vox. I like the guy. I do too. I, like, faithfully go to their stuff. Yeah, Vox is great. The guy that's, they got the English guy that talks to people. He was talking to Ted Cruz. And I'm, I got a boycott Vox now for, like, at least two or three days.

No, I don't, I'm not calling for people to boycott. Just like, just like, I never told people to boycott the Bachelor. I don't, I'm not calling for all that. I just like, give me just respect what, like, what I was doing. Give me my respect. You sound like Drake now. You went from Drake to. give me my respect

give me my respect like I'm ambidex that's that's nonstop it's the Drake song but shout out to the writer that I worked with Allison because she's amazing I don't know if we shout out to her

she has nothing to do with the headline I don't know she's nothing to do with that okay shout out to Allison then you know shout out Allison Rachel

you got to be careful people are looking to use you Yeah, yeah. I just, I wouldn't have expected this. But, you know, no more. So what's next? What's next? What's the next thing?

What's the next topic? I'm not the topic. I'm not the topic. Well, certainly, sometimes you are. Now the next topic is, boom, a Manhattan City Council candidate was caught with it. That's what we're going to. first thing we're going to talk about was caught with a dominatrix in a late video. I love this topic.

His name is Zach Wiener, and he's a city council candidate running in Manhattan. His campaign has been tied up after a video of him enjoying a sadomasochistic session, found his way onto Twitter. The footage was flaccid to the post by Wiener's own campaign manager, shows a gagged Wiener, unable to speak, subjecting himself to various abuses

by a leather bound woman who pours wax on him and clips his nip-nips with clothespins. He responded to this. He responded to this. He said, I'm a proud

BDSMmer. I like BDSM activity, Wiener told the post. He refused to name the woman in the video and said he had no idea on earth how the footage surfaced. Wiener has a professional background of film production and is the co-founder

of Stack Pictures an independent film production company. Zach's father, Eric Weiner, is a co-creator of Dora the Explorer. Right. Boots.

Swiper. No swiping. Swiper. Stop hitting me. Stop flogging me, Swiper. So look, I love stories like this. Why, Van? Because why do we assume that people ain't freak nasty dogs when we know that they are?

They freaks. We all a bunch of freaks. Why can't we be okay with it? Why does this even have to be a deal that he's a freak? Now he's like, he's a freak. He's a freak. We all some freaks. It's just that a video came out about it, which shocks me, Mr. Weiner.

Mr. Weiner, you went to a professional studio to do this, okay? Why are you shocked that this came out? I think several people could have had access to this. But you know what? I love that he embraces it. He's like, listen, I love BDSM. I love the activity. It's what I like to do.

This is who I am. Next question. Yeah, what? He shouldn't even have to. There's nothing to answer for. He likes his nipples clamped. It would be, that's painful. It is painful.

Painful with a clothes pin. Like, just period. He's painful. I'm thinking of what a clothes pin feels like on your skin. I never had it there. I'm just saying, let me be correct. Right. That's this, it's just, but if I did, who cares?

Who cares? Who cares? Who cares? That's the activity that I like to do. That's what you like to do. Just like Mr. Weiner. It is, I did happen upon this one video on the internet one time. Oh, with this lady.

You happened? Yeah. You happened upon it? Look, when you've been in the game as long as I can, sometimes you've got to up the ante. You know what I mean? You got to up the ante to really, because like, it's weird. My boys will send me porn clips.

Oh, shit, bro. Look at this. And I'll be like, whatever. Is that the kind of thing, guys send to each other? It used to be. Like, but like, yo, bro, look at this, man. That's crazy. I'll be like, come on, bro.

Man, that's like one of skin diamonds early scenes. Like, that's nothing. Like, unless you're going to, unless you're really going to shock me, don't send me anything. I've seen it all. But I watched this one clip where this woman was just stepping on this guy's balls. And he was loving it. Are we sure? He was so into.

it. And she was just stepping on his balls. I think it was called like meanbitches.com or something like that. And like it was, I'm telling you. Mean bitches or something. And she was just, she had a stiletto heel and she was stepping on his balls.

And I'm like, that's crazy. But you know what I thought to myself? What did you think, Van? Good for them. I don't know how you, I don't know how you find out in life that you like that.

Like, it's like, Because, you know, I used to play baseball and one time I got hit right in the cup with the ball. So maybe you get hit or something like that. It has to be. You know? And you liked it.

And you liked it. I don't know how you figure out that you liked that. But he liked getting stopped on his balls. Who cares? Why was so uptight about sex, Rachel? Why? I think because for so long we were told that it wasn't normal to talk about it. So anytime we see something that ventures off the straight and narrow,

it's considered wrong in society. Especially, I guess, and I guess there's levels to it, you know, because he's running for, what is it, student council, student council, city council. He's running for city council. I guess people are like, is this what you want from your councilman? It may be. Now, it's been reported that he's only raised $10,000 and most of that money came from him

for his campaign. this might be something that his constituents, potential constituents may like. And it may help his campaign. Get some love from the BDSM community there. Get some donations, you know, because they would be great for them to have one of their own. Advocating. Yeah, advocating. By the way, a lot of people are into BDSM.

It's one of the most popular categories on the old Pornis Hubbis. It's one of the more popular ones. A lot of people are into that. But there's a limit, you know. You're raised in a very puritanical family, right? Correct. Did you ever walk in on your mom and dad? Literally made us sound like I never did.

You haven't? Never did. Not one time. Are you aware? And I always think about that because I hear stories of people doing that and I'm like, that never happened. Were the judge and your mom like affectionate to one another? Did they seem like they had the spark in their relationship? Yeah.

Yeah. They definitely were. He'd be like, oh, baby. But I never saw that. Oh, you look good. them pants tonight. Tonight is going down like the walls of Jericho.

I never. Tonight, I'm coming in. It's me to judge. I'm taking you down. I'm taking you down like the Tower of Babel. You know? This is the judge, man.

I wish we were this exciting as you. You made us out to be us Lindsay's. I hate to disappoint you. I walked in on my parents one time. I knew you were going to tell this story. How old were you? How old were you? And did you understand what was happening?

12. Oh, you fully understood. It was 1992. Do you want to hear the story? I don't think I have a choice at this point. Okay. So it was a Sunday morning. I remember it being a Sunday morning.

It was a Sunday morning. I had friends over the night before and thank God that they left. I had friends over the night before and there was some talk about whether or not they were going to spend the night. And I never liked to have friends spending the night on Saturday night because it made Sunday too sad.

I'd rather you spend the night on Friday night and then we could hang out all day, Saturday, and then you go home. Because Sunday, you know, schools coming again on my... I was never a big Sunday guy. Like, people love Sunday. But Sunday, to me, just, always meant that.

I love, I still love Sunday. No, Sunday you got to wake up. Friday and Saturday is the lick. And even Thursday, I like Thursday. Anyway, back to the story. So my friends had left. And, but they had left late. Like, late for kids, like 11, 30, 12.

Their mom had come picked them up. They went back. She was a nurse. She worked double shift. Shout out to Gibral and Ashley. And I'm in my room. And I remember I was in my room. My comic books were right next to the bed.

we have been watching comic, we have been reading comics, and the light from the sun wakes me up. And I wake up and we're living on General Taylor in Baton Rouge in Hermitage subdivision. My room was, when you turned down the hall, my room was the first room,

and then my parents' room was at the end of the hall. Okay. And I heard, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, clack, and I'm like, the fuck is that. But, you know,

it's Sunday, it's Sunday morning. And it was always hit or miss whether or not there was going to be like a big Sunday breakfast. Okay. So if I woke up and mom wasn't cooking any time, hold on, I need the stress ball for this. Hold on. Wow. Are we sure we want to tell this story?

Of course. So if I woke up and there was no breakfast cooking, I would just go back to sleep because what's the point of waking up if there's no goddamn cheese eggs, you know, and grits? So I try, so I wake up and I try to roll over and go back over to sleep. but the sound is like definite is like clack clack clack clack

clack clack and it won't stop and I'm like this goes on for maybe five six minutes and I'm trying to lay down and go to sleep and I just can't I can't get around it

like I can't get around it I'm like what the fuck is going on and so I'm thinking maybe something's going on back there maybe dad is fixing something or I just will now want to know what's happening And I remember I wake up and I get outside of my door and very slowly I'm walking down and the sound is coming for their room. And the door was wide open. The door was wide open.

Did they think you were asleep that you weren't in the house? I thought that they probably thought that I was sleep. When I say the door was wide open, the door was wide open. And I turned around and I looked and dad was on top of my. mom and it was it was huffing and it was puffing and there was some shit talking okay and how long were you in the doorway it took me a second for me to register what I was looking at and I definitely froze and it took me a second to register like what I was looking at and so I'm looking and I'll never forget mom is getting her eagle on don't stop telling all the business

is getting her eagle on and dad is working. I mean, and he's working so much and he's got his hand, his left hand on the headboard. Oh, there's the noise. Yeah, and it's clack, clack, clack, caclac, and so I'm standing there and all of a sudden I hear and this is my mom and my dad turns around and he comes towards the door, right? And when he comes towards the door, his shit is going back, forth. back forth, back forth. His shit is like a, I don't know, man.

It's like a, you know, like a thermometer or like something like that. It's going back forth, back forth, back forth, back forth. And I'm like, Jesus Christ, what the fuck? And he's, and it's coming, he's like coming toward me. He's coming toward me. He's got his shirt on. He's shirt cocking it. He's got his shirt on.

And the thing is just flappety, flapp, flappity flap. And it's coming towards me. And I'm like, shit. And he's. slams the door and I hear, I told you the goddamn turn, the goddamn close that door. I told you, that boy going to be crazy now. He's going to be scarred. He's going to be some Jeffrey Dahmer shit now.

I'm telling you. I told you to close that goddamn door. And by the way, we never spoke about it. I don't think you can. No one ever came to me to explain anything to me. I was expecting for my mom to bring it up. They just acted like it never happened. In fact, all day long, he was mad at me.

Like, just saying a little slick on the... He had to blame somebody. Yeah, saying, just he was doing like little shit. So this is the first time that you've talked about it? I think so. Maybe I mentioned, maybe I talked about it on way down in a hole. I can't remember. Maybe I did tell the story on way down in a hole.

I can't remember. But I remember later on I was playing Nintendo. And my dad came in and my was actually second genesis. My dad came in and he said, get your ass up and go outside and play in the house all day in the house although can't nobody have no privacy get your ass up and go outside and stay out there i was like god damn what did i do is it time for round two it's your fault i don't think they got to finish nah they probably they probably finished they probably finished man that's traumatizing

i don't know what little rachel would have done if she had encountered that's same that same scene. I don't know. Well, you never asked why on Sunday they sent you out to Bible school for like six hours? We all went. No, y'all all went. You think so.

The judge all the way back home. We're going to worship the Lord together tonight. It's going to be very... I can't imagine. But think about it. Think about that, though. No, I don't. Everybody listening to this, think about it.

Your parents, fuck. Like they fuck, they like to fuck each other. Like, you, you, you think about your mom as this, like, pure being that doesn't like to get her ass eight. No, man, we know it happens. We just don't like to think about it. But why? I feel like if we thought about it. Because I don't have to.

Like, what does, how does that serve me? Like, think about it. Your mom, like, licking your dad's gooch. Like, think about, like, right. And we're going to go to break. Like, think. they have fun that's fine

and nobody's denying it but I don't have to think about it you don't think about it because you saw it yeah I can't help and now you're trying to put that on everybody everybody else to go through what I was I'm sorry Van I'm sorry nobody you went you saw it nobody

talked to you about it no one when I say no one just left me left me to figure it out I'm gonna be honest if I saw if that happened and I was the parent and that happened and that my child walked in on me, I wouldn't talk about it. You wouldn't bring it up?

I would just keep it moving. You wouldn't bring it up? You good? You good? You want to talk about it? They probably like, okay. So when I was in college, I used to see this girl and like she would come over to the house sometimes or,

and she come over to our house one time and she left her underwear there. Right. And. At your house? Yes, at my house. The house I lived within my parents. She left her underwear there. And I remember my mom found the underwear.

she was washing clothes. And I remember she just folded them up and put them on my bed and then never said anything. Because that said at all. Yeah. She didn't say anything. She just folded them and put them on my bed.

Because she could have thrown them out. She washed them. She washed them. She washed them. That's even more. That's even worse than her reprimanding you for it or saying something.

Really? That's, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Because you don't know. You know she knows, but she's not saying anything. Yeah.

So, like, it's the silence of it. Like, you're kind of waiting for something to happen, but it doesn't. It's worse. She also had no room. I like that method. She had no room after what went down some years earlier. When I was 12, yeah.

It's totally different. Whatever. Speaking of sex, Nick Cannon. I don't know why you want to talk about this. You don't know why I want to talk about this? I'm curious to know your thoughts. Okay. So Nick Cannon has his fourth child in less than a year.

and it looks like it was confirmed by Alyssa Scott on Father's Day, had Father's Day tribute. Cannon and his partner, Abby Dilarosa, had twins, and then he also had a baby with somebody else. And it looks like right now he had more another baby with so. So he's got four kids in a year. It looks like Cannon has. And it seems like she, this lady right here,

She's a while and out model. And she's, a lot of people were, they were suspecting that he was the father of her kid, but it seems like she confirmed it. Four kids in a year. This is a topic. It seems like people want to talk about. Do you see anything wrong with Nick Cannon having four kids in a year? Be fruitful and multiply.

Exactly. Is he, is he in a relationship, an exclusive relationship? No, not that I'm aware of. And if he is, it seems, it clearly. seems to be an open one. Yeah. I mean, it seems like he's an adult. He's making this decision.

He can clearly, he clearly takes care of all the children that he has. He's very proud of it. So what's the problem? And the women don't seem to be complaining. Yeah. There seems to be no drama surrounding the issue other than like the court of public opinion trying to make drama out of it. Yeah.

I see no problems with this. Do you think, I mean, some people are saying how involved of a father can you be if you have, because he's also got the kids with Mariah. He's got millions and millions of dollars. I think Nick Cannon can be involved more than your average person. And I'm not saying that money takes a place of being a father. I'm just saying he has the means to move around. Right.

You know what I mean? Or to move them to where he is. Right. So I don't even think that that's an issue. Yeah. It's a lot of nothing. It is. Like just buss him back.

Like, because think about it, it's like, It is because think about it. You just think about those things. Like you have sex and you have sex and you normally like you use a condom or somebody's on some sort of, but not Nick Cannon. Nick Cannon just. He's actively out here trying to multiply. Every time he has an orgasm, he just goes straight for the meat to meet sort of fireholes. It's just weird.

It's like a, that's like. It's not weird to me because I have friends. I have friends that have a family of like 13. 13? Yes. I'm very good friends with the camarides. Oh, the primaries. Yeah, I mean, look, he'd be busting back.

So, like, yeah. And after he had a vasectomy. Yeah. So I, so like I, it's not weird to me because I have close friends. Right. Yeah, he's great though. But like you could, like, he's very, he, you can tell it's very determined because he wasn't even trying.

It's just they want more, the God wants there to be many Cromartner. like he just god wants that look i don't know if people just talk about nick cannon oh i got a i got a question for you about this so i saw an interesting tweet where someone said that nick cannon is anti-black because all of these women are biracial and light skin so because another women are from what i can see do you think that there's any merit to that like people were talking about the fact that because these layers are biracial they're lightest their fairer skined Does that make you anti-black if you have a specific preference or if you like lighter women or something like that? No, but I'm asking serious because there is a discussion around colorism and what that beauty standard is.

And if you were to not find a certain type of women attractive for whatever reason. But has he said that? He hasn't said that. So to me, that's not fair to put that assumption on him. He clearly has a type, right? There are this many women, seven now. The women seem, or seven kids. So not seven women, though, because there's twins involved.

But the women seem to look alike. So he clearly has a type that he's attracted to, but it doesn't mean that he's not attracted to other types. Like, I don't think that that's fair to say. I don't think that's fair to put that on him. I don't think that there's anything that Nick Cannon has done to show us that he is anti-black. So I don't think so either.

But is it anti-black to only be attracted to or only to mess with light-skinned women? Well, are they black? They're black. Then how is that anti-black? Hmm. You know what I mean? I asked the question. I had never.

If you said to me that you're a black person and you don't date black people, uh-huh. And like you refuse to, that's anti-black. Is it colorist to not-to-not date darker-skinned women? I'm just asking a question because it starts to get to a point. Like even if, and it's, It's very interesting. Like, even if somebody has decided that for whatever reason, like, if you only fuck with light-skinned people, there's obviously layers to why you're that way.

Correct. And it's obviously something that's deeper. But if that's how you really feel, how fucked up is that? It is messed up. And I will say, speaking from the black woman's perspective, I can't tell you how often I was told by black men. that they only liked lighter skin women with a certain hair gray. And it was a lot, like, especially in high school

and in my 20s, like my early 20s, constantly told we only date this type of woman. So there is a colorism thing, and for black women, it is deeply rooted, who don't fit that narrative, that when they see a knit can, and I can understand that the assumption is, oh, he doesn't like women that look like me.

Because you've been told by whether it's society or whether it may be black men, like in my own circumstance, that a lot of them were like, we only date women who look like this. Oh, we like that exotic looking type of woman. So you don't like a woman who's a brown skin, darker skin woman who might not have straight hair. It's deeply rooted, you know, when you're constantly compared to a European standard of beauty, and then you're seeing these black men go after women who fall into that category, who are black, but fall into that category.

You know, who could pass the paper bag test. Who could pass the comb test. The comb test. Oh, that they put the comb through your hair? Yeah. And if it gets stuck, you can't come into the party. Is that, was that a thing? Southern Louisiana.

I never heard of that. Yeah. I never heard of that in my life. Yeah, people used to say that about like Jack and Jill's stuff too. Oh, I never have heard nothing about no comb tests. Combed test. Paper bag test? I haven't even heard anybody ever.

Because it's interesting because for my sister, like it would be like a mixed bag, right? Because she could pass one test and then like not the other. So the paper bag test, she could easily pass it. But if you try to put a comb through my sister's hair,

you're going to lose some needles. You know what? I'm not going to have you keep talking about Ebony on this podcast, okay? Somebody's got a rep for Ebony and it's going to be me. And I don't need you to leave Ebony alone. Everybody,

After my sister That's part of the problem. After my sister goes through the comb test, everybody's going to pass it because she's going to rip all the needles out the comb. It doesn't compare. No, no. I'm not laughing at that.

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Woo! Georgia governor, Brian Kemp, blocked making Juneteenth paid holiday for state employees. The Atlanta Journal Constitution reports that Governor Brian Kemp confirmed through an official spokesperson that Juneteenth will not be a paid holiday for any state employees. Kemp said that the reasoning is due to state law only allowing state public offices to be closed on 12 public and legal holidays and the limit has already been reached. In response to the immediate backlash, backlash that ensued following Kemp's decision, the ACLU of Georgia suggested that Juneteenth should be added to the list of 12 public state holidays,

closures and instead they remove the highly controversial Columbus State. Brian Kemp, who is in a very precarious political position right now as the sworn enemy of the Trump and MAGA people. I just saw the MyPillow guy

talking about how Brian Kemp and Rathmissberger, whatever, the Secretary of State. Secretary of State down there Georgia were in on the Great Steel. It seems like He's going over time right now to ingratiate himself back with the cult of white supremacists and not so subtle racists that make up the base of President Trump. I think that Georgia, a state that is, you know, to be honest with you, was a big player in national politics, especially people like Stacey Abrams and stuff like that.

It would seem that he would, it seems a peculiar move, except when you figure out where Brian Kemp is. What do you think this means that he doesn't want Juneteenth to be a paid federal holiday? You said it. You said it. He's trying to make amends. It's like Governor Kemp and Governor Abbott are in a race of who sucks more. Now, currently, Texas governor is winning, okay?

Because he is out there. But when you see something like this is clearly Brian Camp, Governor Camp, trying to get back in the good graces of his party, right? I'm not sure when he's up for re-election. I laughed when I saw this because there have to be, what, 12 public and legal holidays? They haven't reached the limit. The year isn't over yet. Okay?

So this is why I understand the ACLU saying, well then don't pay on Columbus Day. And we already know about Columbus. We already know why he's controversial. The year isn't over yet. So you haven't reached the limit. Okay? Maybe there are 13 holidays now,

but we haven't reached all of them. So there is wiggle room here to make it happen. He went ahead and made the decision with the year not even being over yet. Kemp knows exactly what he's doing. He does. Philosophically is very interesting to choose Columbus over Juneteenth.

Because you can already, you that the Colombian exchange, basically Columbus is, we've talked about this on the podcast before, Columbus's legacy in the Western world is sort of the precursor in a way to the hypercapitalism and exploitation, the lack of biodiversity and so many different things, the homogeneity of world cultures into the, I guess, dominant Judeo-Christian, Western European culture. Like Columbus represents that. He's the representation

in a lot of ways of not maybe the beginning, but maybe the beginning, maybe just the leap into the domination of the Western world by the Europeans, right? Which goes along with

plunder and genocide and disease and all of that stuff that happened to everybody else who had who's made to fall in line with that june teeth doesn't in any way represent the end of that but it does represent a changing of that trend it represents hey these are some of the people that were dominated by something that was kind of started in this way and now these people are going to have some degree more of agency, of freedom,

freedom of movement. Obviously, it didn't really nothing, there were still generations after that to where black Americans are struggling and still remain to and still struggle for their freedom. But I just think it's interesting philosophically to choose Columbus Day over Juneteenth. It is planning a flag saying, we ain't never changing. and it's also it's interesting the whole Juneteenth thing has been fascinating because this is what the Republicans always claimed that they were about.

They claimed that they were about, hey, bad things happened in the past. We know that they happened, but let's get over them and celebrate the fact that we're doing better as an American society. And that's kind of what Juneteenth is, whereas Columbus Day is. if you know anything with any historical accuracy is the celebration of a guy who was a madman, who was a monster. But I think that there's the difference. It's we are acknowledging what Christopher Columbus actually was. There are many people who refuse to do that. It's just in the year of 1492 Columbus felt the ocean blue and that's it.

You know, they want to revere him. And to acknowledge what Christopher Columbus is takes away. a part of history that you always thought to be. And those type of people, like a Brian Camp, aren't willing to accept that. So for him to put Juneteenth over Columbus Day means he's accepting that school of thought. And this is the very type of teaching

that they're fighting to get out of our schools. They don't want students to learn about this. They don't want to change what they always knew. So that's why he's got to put Columbus Day over Juneteen. Right. Because it's playing into what is going to be, we already see a hot issue in the next political race. Yeah.

When you talk about sort of, I mean, this doesn't really factor in that much directly into CRT, but it does fall more in line with things like the 1619 project from the New York Times that is a retelling of American history through the lens of hypercapitalism, slavery and the racism that America was born into. It's interesting. I don't think, I personally think the fight over CRT and the fight to give a more accurate, less sanitized version of American history is actually the fight that is going to define America's future. the indoctrination of people into hyper-blind patriotism, into America is always right, into history has winners and losers,

and if you lost, just get over it. That is so fundamental, so fundamental to writing a blank check for people in their past bad behavior and how that behavior continues to affect people systemically today. It's you have to. You have to make people believe that slavery wasn't one of the biggest crimes in the history of the world, but a momentary and sad blip that we should all forget about. Christopher Columbus wasn't someone who came to the new world and played games with the natives to see how sharp his swords were by cutting off their arms, things of that nature. You can't give that to people because then people are going to say, okay, well, then we're going to say, okay, well, then, what America am I supposed to believe in and what America am I actually working for.

Right. And it's not about shitting on the country. It's about saying, hey, there's some good ideas in here. And there are definitely some things in here that change the world. But if we ever want to realize these ideas in the way that we would hope for them to be intended, we have to look at this thing in a holistic way. But there's no actual way to do that without being honest, right? Without getting to that point.

And that's kind of what some people don't want to do. What they want is they want to build drones and they want to build American cyborgs, people who are, who believe anything as long as it comes packaged in red, white, and blue. That way, they can make them buy and work and go to foreign lands and spill their blood for whatever they say. And so for us right now to be looking at American American history, in this particular way, this is the fight of our lives. It is. I agree.

Like CRT and all of these things, like they have to happen. Like these are, this is the fight of our lives because if we, if we want to actually take a real intellectual look at where we are, we have to start at the beginning. Yeah. And even Juneteenth is like,

when you think about it, Juneteenth is, I said this before in the podcast. It's such a simple thing. It's the end of slavery. You guys have already agreed that slavery is bad. Everyone says that. Only a couple of people, only the most racist of my people are like, hey, it wasn't that bad.

I think the Duck Dynasty guy said that. Remember he was like, hey, they all had families and they were doing pretty good. Remember when he said that? Did he really? He said that back in the day. I don't know. I don't know anything about them. But they're from your state.

See what I'm saying? Is that a fact? It was like a gratuitous shot at Louisiana. They're from northern. They're from northern. They're from closer to. from where my people are from. It's the Texas influence.

It's why they like that. I mean my Louisiana family, but go ahead. Yeah, whatever. So no, so, but they can't do it because in doing that, even celebrating Juneteenth, in a way, is an indictment of America. Because like... For them. Well, no.

Period. Because we're talking about a not-so-great time. of America. Is that what you're saying? Because we don't really have American holidays where America was the bad guy. Right. You know what I mean? So we don't really have like there's not even really there's not like a holiday that commemorates the end of the Civil War. You know? But see like I don't even look at June. Obviously Juneteenth was we know what it was and and then finding out that slavery had ended. But I think it's so narrow minded to just look at it as like it just represents slavery. It also represents the end of it. It's something we all should be celebrating. It should be a time when we look at our country as it was ending something that was so terrible for so many centuries. And it was the step towards something else. Not that I'm not saying we still don't have our issues, but I'm saying it should be looked at.

Everybody should be celebrating this. I don't understand how it can just be looked at as an indictment. Well, it's not completely an indictment, but it's certainly part indictment. But see, to look at it that way. And I know that's not what you're saying. You don't see it that way. Oh, no, I do. Look at it that way.

I do see it that way. I do see it that way. I don't just see it that way. I don't just see it that way. But I think the indictment of Juneteenth, I think Juneteenth is like, look, hey, this is the end of slavery. Okay, well, let's talk about what slavery was. Like, we're all going to celebrate this, right? But also, how much can you celebrate this if you are unwilling to examine the structures that

this entire period in American history created. Like all of these banks and all of these corporations that are tweeting out. They're not doing that. Happy Juneteenth. Happy Juneteenth. Happy Juneteenth. We get it. But I'm telling you.

But I'm telling you right now. But that's up to us. So I'm telling you right now, you can tell me a happy Juneteenth. But if you really want to celebrate the end of something, help end something else. Help end what the legacy of slavery went on to create in America. And so to me, Juneteenth. It is, as a holiday, it is a subtle indictment of the black American condition. I understand that.

And I would hope that people do that. But just like many other holidays, that doesn't necessarily happen. The ink wasn't even dry. And I was already getting emails from people that were like, well, we're observing Friday. It's a three-day weekend. Right. How is everybody already taking Friday off? Like, this was set in stone.

know what I mean? And they were, have a great long weekend. Can we talk about what this long weekend represents? I mean, yeah, you said it's up to us, but I,

I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Interesting stuff. Oh, something just broke. We just got it.

Raiders defensive lineman Carl Nassett is the first active, openly gay player in the NFL. Can we give Round of applause for Carl Nassab. Good for Carl.

He plays for the Las Vegas Raiders. He announced that he is donating $100,000 bucks to the Trevor Project, which is a nonprofit organization that focuses on suicide prevention for LGBQ youth. Let's look up Trevor Nassup right now because I'm not hyper. I'm not super familiar with him. So let's see. Trevor Nasson. Let's look up his numbers.

No, Carl Nasson. Is it? Oh, it's the Trevor Project. Trevor. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry about that. Carl Nassup, I'm sorry. Carl Nassum, football defensive end.

He comes out as the first openly gay player. Okay, listen. Drafted in the third round. Okay. Played for the Browns. That's who he was drafted by it. Oh, wow, yeah. Went, then went to the Bucks.

Looks like he sat out to 2017 year, went to the Bucks. Yeah. And then he's with the Raiders currently. It's a good player. Consist this All-American from Penn State. 2015, Lombardi Award winner, Big 10 defensive player of the year in a very, very competitive conference.

Chris, statistics as of the week 17, 2020, 20 sacks. So he gets back there every now and again. Force fumbles three, formal recovery is one. One pick. He's played for a couple of different teams. He's played for Cleveland, Tampa Bay,

and now he currently plays for the Raiders. third round pick. He's got a million dollar contract. So he's doing pretty good. He had six sacks in 2018. Not bad. He's got a three-year, $25 million contract right now. He's playing on with the Las Vegas Raiders.

My question to you is, Rachel, as we see a guy like this who is, because, you know, Michael Sam, when he came out, he came out prior to the draft. We've seen some guys come out after their careers are over. But this is a guy who is a pretty good pro. I'm going to be honest with you. I love football. I wasn't super familiar with him. Okay?

This is a guy who's a pretty good pro. Why do you laugh about that? Because you didn't have to say that. I know he was. I'm just saying, but I didn't either, but it doesn't matter. It's a good player. I'm just saying, you know, do you think that this is going to emboldened anyone

or do you think that more players will look at this and say, hey, he's able to do this. He's able to live his truth. It might be time for me. me to live my truth now too. I would hope so because anybody who is living a life where they can't be their full self is just, it's devastating. And I have no idea what that's like and I can't even imagine.

But I would hope that part of the reason that he did say that he wants to be the first to do this is because maybe he knows other people or maybe he's trying to encourage those who might be too scared to do so. I think we'll also have to pay attention to the way that he's treated by his fellow teammates by his team, by the league, when it comes to this announcement. I'm sure everyone will be supportive. But I think it also shows that we're really in a new day where, you know, we've gone from making jokes about that to people feeling comfortable enough to say, you know what, this is who I am. This is how I want to live my life. And I'm not afraid to do that. And so I hope people are

whoever is Carl's close friends and family, I hope there's, and even strangers, sending him so much love and so much support. This is not easy to do. It's never easy to be the first. And so I commend him for this. So Carl right now is, and I always wondered about this because I always thought to myself, there's going to be a player that's going to come out. And it actually is going to be a major, major shot in the arm for their career, for

whoever they are. Now, it's going to come with an intense amount of pressure, right? an intense amount of pressure because people want to believe that if you're gay that you're in some way less masculine you're in some way less especially in the game like football that they couldn't possibly be a dominant defensive player

or a dominant offensive player or somebody that goes out there and poses their will because, you know, gay guys aren't like that. They want to believe that gay guys in some way are effeminate or they can't do it the same way. When we know, and if you've ever played sports, you know that you've played with gay guys on your team before.

They've been gay guys on your team. You know that they're gay guys on your team. And depending on the culture that you have, wherever you're playing, it's how accepted those guys feel and how empowered they feel to really kind of talk to anybody about that. And it's only been in the last couple of years that we've seen this even start to become a thing. But I look at this and I think of like the kid, you know what I mean? The kid that's watching this that's thinking I can't play football like if I'm gay. You know, or I can't play basketball or baseball if I'm gay.

And maybe that kid won't think that now. That's right. You know, Carl Nassad, bro, shout out to you, man. Shout out to you. Still got to get busy on the field. Carl, you still need to produce. Who is he playing for right now? The Raiders.

He's playing for the Raiders. Raiders were. They were, they didn't make the playoffs is what happened. They were like eight and eight? They started off pretty good. But then, you know, Derek. car, you know, he couldn't get the job done. So the reality is that now, you know, this changes nothing.

Carl, you're good. You got some good measurables here. Look, Carl is 6'5. He's 6'7, 277. He ran a 4.840 yard dash. Carl's got a 28-inch vertical leap. He's doing a sting out here in these streets. So, Carl, go ahead.

Go get it, Carl. Go get it. We'll be rude for. you happy for you Carl no no we won't I won't be rooting for Carl I won't root for Carl anymore today than I did yesterday oh stop I'm happy for Carl but I'm not her I mean that's what I mean that's what I'm rooting for him I didn't say I was going to become a Las Vegas Raiders fan rooting for him I'm happy I'm supporting like I'm

supporting him I'm supporting him personally but I don't care about the Las Vegas Raiders I don't do you not understand the term rooting for you Like rooting how? Like, what do you mean? Like, I'm rooting for him as a person. Because I don't, I'm not a Raiders fan. I don't want to see them. Yeah.

And I'm not a Raiders fan either. Come on. You know, Cowboys. As a matter of fact, he's played for a bunch of teams that I don't really fuck with. Browns, bucks. The Tampa Bay, God damn. Fuck them. Like, fuck them.

Okay. So, yeah, but Carl, I hope you do well. I just, you know what? I root for his health. Stay healthy, Carl. Just stay healthy. Keep getting your money. You're making it way more difficult.

I don't want to move for the raters. Go Carl. Way to go. All right, let's take a break. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana. Selling your car should feel like one less thing on your list. Not one more. With Carvana, it is. Just go to Carvana.com. Into your license plate or VIN and get a real offer down to the penny.

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Okay. Speaking of football, it's staying in the NFL. Cole Beasley. You know what that is? Former Dallas Cowboy. Former Dallas Cowboy. Former Dallas Cowboy Cole Beasley, who, you know, a little scat back little scat receiver a little scat receiver not scat back but he's a little slot receiver yeah definitely slot receiver

uh uh-uh coblebez's kind of guy he's in that wels welker Danny amandola uh julian edelman type of deal good good receiver though married to a sister he's married to a black woman let's let's look at cold beas his wife real quick now he's curious

I piqued his interest let's look at Cole's Cole Beasley's wife now this thing makes a little bit more sense Cole Beasley has some vaccine hesitancy. Now it makes sense. Like Kristen Beasley. Kristen Beasley. Let's look.

Let's look at Kristen Beasley. Okay. Yeah, she's, she's blackish. She's, don't, don't do that to her. She's black. She identifies as black. She identifies as black. She's, yeah, she's black.

I have to say that because you just put an ish on her. Yeah, she's, she's black. Cole Beasley's wife beautiful sister beautiful sister there is you see Cole Beasley out there he's playing with the kids anyway so this is what Cole Beasley said

Cole Beasley talked about he went on Twitter and said he's not getting the vaccine so this was happening in NFL right now you guys you know obviously the NFL is not mandating that guys get the vaccine but what is happening is if you are in the NFL and you do not get the vaccine your life is exponentially harder to play in the NFL non-vaccinated

players that's not true It's very true. How is that not harder to play the game? No, it is not harder to play the game. It's harder in every way. Go ahead. Go ahead. Tell them.

Okay. So if you are vaccinated, all right, if you are vaccinated in the NFL, all right, you don't have to wear a mask around the team facility. You can use the spa and the gym at team facilities as much as you want. Okay. You don't, you're not subject to the protocols when you're hanging out. with your family, meaning if you go somewhere and you hang out with your family, and one of the people that is around test positive for COVID, doesn't have anything to do with you.

You can come on back, no problem. Meanwhile, if you're not vaccinated, 10 days, you got a quarantine. Okay. Also, non-vaccinated players can go out and have dinner and do anything they want to do when they're on the road. Players that are vaccinated, excuse me, vaccinated players can go out and do whatever they want to do when they're playing away games on the road. non-vaccinated players have to stay in the team hotel and facilities all the time.

These non-vaccinated players, they don't have any access to the team. They have restricted access to the team weight room to the team spot, to all of that stuff based upon capacity and all of that. They have to mask up all the time. They have the protocols for them to stay out. If somebody tests positive is different. It's like very hard. to play in the NFL and to be an NFL player if you are unvaccinated. Cole Beasley does not like that.

He says he has no plans to get the vaccine and will live his life like he wants to regardless. He said he won't abide by any of the special requirements that have been laid out for NFL players who have not getting vaccinated. So all of the stuff I just told you, Cole Beasley said he's not going to do it. He said I will be, I said I will be outside doing what I'll do. I'll be out in the public. If you're scared of me, to steer clear or get vaccinated. Point Blake, period. I may die of COVID, but I'd rather die actually living.

He said, as far as Cole Beasley is concerned, getting vaccinated as akin to taking meds for a leg that is not broken. He said he'd rather take his chances with COVID and build up his immunity. That way. Something went wrong. Shut up. And he says that he's willing to. You're right. Sorry.

Something is wrong. He said he's willing to play for free this year to live life how he's lived it since day one. And he doesn't care if he's forced him to retirement. So Cole Beasley is saying fuck the vaccine, but not just fuck the vaccine. He's saying fuck the rules surrounding players that prove that that decide not to get vaccinated. Bye, call. Tell me, tell me, tell me the receiver. My mind is going.

Tell me the receiver the bills picked up last year from the Vikings. Stefan Diggs. Great. We got Diggs. They got Diggs. By Cole. Well, Diggs is way better than Cole Beasley. They don't even play the same position.

No, Cole plays his purpose, though, as a slot receiver. He really is. He's a good, like, safety valve, yeah. Yeah, like, he's, I'm not knocking his play. I'm being funny, but they got Stefan Diggs. They're going to be all right. Listen. If that's how Cole Beasley feels.

is nothing that you said, and I'm looking at all the things that unvaccinated players have to do. I would have a different opinion if the NFL said if you're not vaccinated, you can't play. That's not what they said. They are simply taking precautions in order to not have a COVID breakout, which I think is fair. Nothing that's listed in that list hinders you from being able to play the game. You might not have, be able to do certain activities surrounding, like outside activities surrounding the team. or what you would do outside of the game and off the field, but it doesn't hinder your play.

You're still able to play the game in every single way. Oh, you can't eat with the team. Oh, you can't go out and travel or you can't go out and eat while the team is traveling. Oh, you can't use the sauna or the steam room. 17 weeks. I think you can sacrifice that for the money that you make and for the love of the game. If that's how Cole Beasley feels, then just walk away. Don't play this year.

Then sit out and take your chances. You playing free still is a problem because you're putting other people at risk. And I think that it's really selfish of him to have this take of like, I get it. You want to speak out and you feel that way, then walk away. But I don't think that it is too much of the NFL to put these procedures in place when we're out here with a pandemic going on. Yeah. They're not saying you can't, they're not stopping you from having a career. They're not stopping you from making money.

They're just trying to protect people from this deadly virus that's out here. The NFL is actually not trying to protect people from. a deadly virus. Okay. Then that's how you, that's, they're not. Why do you say, why? The NFL couldn't care less about protecting people from a deadly virus.

What the players. They don't really care about whether or not the player, what the NFL cares about is the fact that. It's money. I know what you can. If 10 guys get COVID and there's COVID running rampant through, what you get is games with me starting a quarterback and then Rachel Lindsay coming out of the backfield is the half back because everybody got COVID.

There was a game last. last year where they had the Broncos, their entire quarterback room got COVID. Their entire quarterback room got COVID. And we had to watch a game with the guy who God bless him, played his heart out, but hadn't played quarterback since

high school or college. And he played quarterback in an NFL game. So what the league is doing is the league is saying, hey, one way for us not to go through this from a business perspective, forget about the health and safety of the players. Nobody's going to ever nobody's going to ever

accuse the NFL of caring about the health and safety of the players it's not what they care about. What they care about is having teams intact since there's a way to have teams intact. And look, if you're not going to take the vaccine, then that's cool, but they're not going to let you infect other players. That's all

that the NFL is saying. And I'm not disagreeing with you that everything with the NFL is based off of money. I get that. But in turn, it's also protecting people. Fine. Their motive is money. But it also protects people from catching the virus, but we still, you still don't know how it's going to affect you, whether you're super healthy or not, whether you're overweight or not, whether you're white,

black, Latino, Asian, whatever. You never know how this is going to affect you. So sure, they're motivated by money, but in turn, it also protects people. So I look at it how you want. My thing with Cole Beasley is that's fine if that's the decision that you want to make, but I don't think that you're going to have this crusade of other players rallying behind you and saying that they agree. You're kind of on your own. If that's the decision that you want to make. I would imagine that they're probably way more. I have a different opinion if he was still a Dallas Cowboy.

Shut up. I think that there are way more players that probably agree with Cole Beasley that are going to come out and say it. One thing that he actually said was there's a lot of guys that feel that way, but they don't feel as empowered as he does to come and actually have this conversation and bring it to the forefront because they're not as secure in their careers as Cole Beasley is. How much, what's his car? Yeah, I read that.

I thought, what is his contract? I mean, he's got a nice contract, but he's been playing for a long time. So if you're a second, third year guy in a league with the average career is like three or four years, you might not feel as comfortable coming out and making as bold a stance as Cole Beasley just made. It's not like he's Julio Jones or something like that, but he is a veteran and he has been playing for a long time. Yeah, $29,000. $29,000. That's crazy.

They're playing cold beer. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Million. The Chip-Fillet manager. Four years. Damn. Four years, 29. He don't even need to be playing in the NFL. Like, he needs to, for real, man.

And 14 is guaranteed. Yeah, he's good. So he's doing fine. Look, you know, I feel the same way about this. I feel about other things. If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Correct. If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated.

There are rules to it. But it's a whole thing. If you don't want to get vaccinated, you don't get vaccinated, but there are rules to the whole thing. If you don't want to wear a shirt, don't wear a shirt. Come out with your nipples showing to the world.

But they're not going to let you in Astros that way. They're not going to let you in. Like, you're not going to be able to get the state. Post makes the steak. You're going to eat the steak at your crib. All right. If you don't want to wear the mask, don't wear the mask.

Don't wear it. Don't wear the mask. But Trader Joe wants you to wear the mask when you're inside Trader Joe's. Actually, I went inside of Trader Joe's and I didn't have to wear a mask. Yeah, because I was vaccinated. And you felt okay?

Ah, fuck it. Yeah, it's like whatever now, man. You know what I mean? I mean, I went to Vegas. So, you know. Yeah, you went to Vegas. You went to Vegas in a segregated party. So not only did you go to Vegas and chill out.

You went to Vegas. I set myself up for that one. And you went to Vegas in the colored section. And you still didn't feel in a specific way. You know what I mean? So that's straight up crazy, man. That's crazy. You dealt with two viruses.

racism and COVID. No, but I did tweet something and I wonder how you feel about this. About Cole? No, not about Cole. I couldn't give a fuck. Is this very serious question? It's not very serious question.

I'm just to ask you this. I actually think it's kind of grandstanding for Cole Beasley to climb his ass up on a cross and act like he's taking a... Everybody want to be a martyr. Like, you don't want to get vaccinated? Dude, fine. Don't fucking get vaccinated. Who gives a shit?

shit. Like he's making himself into the biggest thing. It's arrogant. It's weird. But that's how he feels. That's how he feels. I tweeted something and this was what I tweeted. I said, I got vaccinated. I've been vaccinated. But I don't look down on people that have chosen not to get vaccinated. It was a choice that I made for myself. But if anybody else has that makes a choice not to get vaccinated, I respect their choice not to get vaccinated. Let me ask you a question. Sure. I'm trying to think of how to phrase it because

I feel like I can say that now that there's a vaccine because people who are like at risk or whatever it may be can get vaccinated and they're not as compromised as they were before when that wasn't out here. But when we didn't have

a vaccine, I'm trying, I've tried to figure out how to phrase it because I feel like when there was the possibility of a vaccine and people would tell me that they wouldn't get it if it was there. I just felt a different. I felt like I was judging people because it was like there's so many people out here. We're doing it for a community. There's people out here who are compromised. There's certain communities that are more susceptible to it and it affects them in a certain way. How dare you say you're not going to get vaccinated when we're trying to do this for the community?

Like we're trying to reach herd community. I feel like I felt a different way. Now that it's out here and it's so available to people, those people who may be compromised can get the vaccine and they're okay. Does that make sense? I thought it in my head. It sounded better in my head. I understand.

And I'm trying to figure out how to say it. Like I feel differently this right now than I did last year. So here's the thing that people brought up on the internet and on Twitter, because I put that out on Twitter. People brought up this. Number one, obviously. vaccination is one of the best tools that we have to move society forward and pass the pandemic. And vaccine hesitancy only prolongs the pandemic and also puts a lot of

those same people you were talking about at a greater risk, right? Also, with all the variants popping up, the vaccine slows down the variance. The more people we have vaccinated, the more time it buys us to deal with the variance, right? The variants aren't running through unvaccinated people or, you know, whatever. So there's a lot of reasons that getting vaccinated is a civic duty and a responsibility. And I understand that. I guess my problem is not my problem. Because I believe in science and I believe in, you know,

people being making sound, intellectual, political, economic, and health decisions. But it's just hard for me to be mad at somebody. for what it is they're choosing to do with their body. It's just mad. I can be, look, I can be disappointed. My father actually, I actually convinced him to get vaccinated. He actually got vaccinated, right?

And I stayed on to my body, and I stayed on to my body, and I stayed on to my body, and he got vaccinated. So I have no problem being an advocate for the vaccine. But it's just hard for me to say, yo, go do this. Go inject something into yourself. It's completely safe. The vaccine is totally safe and it's effective,

but it's just hard for me to tell somebody else what to do with their body. I feel weird about it. I don't get mad. I just, it's more of like, why? Like, I'm kind of like, I don't know if I'm side-eyeing you, but I'm just kind of like, well, why not? But I know a lot of people, a lot of people close to me

who aren't getting it. I just, I'm, it doesn't hit me as hard as it did this time last year. Because last year I thought, man, if it's available to you, get it so it can help other people who can't quite get the vaccine. Like you're doing your part because it's available to you and it's helping the people who can't quite get it yet. Now that it's available and anybody can get it who wants it, it's a little different for me. Because if you're in a immune system is compromised and you have the opportunity to get it and you can be okay. That wasn't always the case before. So I guess it's changed.

I've softened up a bit. Yeah. I'm not mad though I mean look it's just people had really really good responses to why they're not getting it no not to why they're not getting it

they're really not very good responses to that those responses really look funny under the light they do they do they're not really good but people have good responses as to why you should shame people that are hesitant to take the vaccine or why you should shame people that don't take the vaccine

shame people shame one of the things they say So people were saying that they're being selfish, that we should shame. It is selfish. That we should shame dumb people who are invested in pseudoscience and won't refuse to listen to real science. One person even used a drunk driver analogy, which I'm not sure is one to one. He said, hey, drunk driving can hurt people. Drunk driving can kill people.

And, you know, but I respect people's right to drive drunk. Like they were parroting back what I was saying acting as if. it's the same thing. I don't think it's the same thing. I think drunk driving is an illegal and unethical decision that you make that turns your car into a two-ton murder machine. All right. I think that COVID is a lot more nuanced than that. COVID is something that you might never get.

And if you got it, you might not pass away from it, right? Now, the next person might get it and pass away. Two people might get it and pass away. So the best thing for you to do if you care about your community is to go get vaccinated. But I think comparing it to a reckless decision that which is drunk driving and a foolhardy one, which is drunk driving is not quite a one-to-one. But I understand the sentiment. But what I do wonder is what's the best way to get people to understand these things?

Is it to shame them? Because I feel like shaming people when they don't get vaccinated. Actually, it's going to give, it starts a cultural war over it. Right. And you already said about Cole Beasley of like, you don't like the fact that he's like, you know, like hanging himself on a cross and making himself a martyr. If you shame them, that's exactly what you're doing to them. You're making them being able to, you're allowing them to be able to cry that they're a victim. And so I don't think that that's quite the way to do it.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, here goes. Look, everybody out there, the vaccine is safe. It's effective. Okay.

Get vaccinated. And for the people that don't, just know that you're prolonging this whole thing. We're going to be going through this for a lot longer if you don't, if you don't get vaccinated. So that's a whole deal. And I wasn't paid to say that by the Illuminati. If I was in the Illuminati, I would be able to say. Yeah, people say that the Illuminaity pays you to say stuff and pays you to do stuff. I haven't gotten it.

I haven't been on top of that shit yet. They haven't come from me yet. Maybe that's the next Oscar. You know what I mean? Maybe that's. All right. So here's Van's very serious question of the week. Okay.

There is. 10 million dollars at stake. I hate what it has to do with money. It's $10 million at stake. Okay. 10 million bucks. Name me your immediate family. Who's your immediate family?

The judge, mom, Constance, my older sister, and Heather, my younger. Okay. So this is all you have to do for the $10 million. You have to not talk or have any contact with C or anything. one of your immediate family for three years. Wow. And you'd get the $10 million. Which one of your family members are you not going to talk to?

I don't want the money. You're not going to take the money. I don't want the money. 50 million. No, no, no. You said 10. Don't change the question about it. We're going up.

50 million. 50 million bucks. All you have to do is not talk to one of your family members for a period of three years. Okay? Three years is a long time. Three years, you're not talking to them. Can you guarantee me that they will live all those three years?

No, there are no guarantees. Then I don't want it. You wouldn't take the $50 million. I love my family. I love them too. I love my family too. But just knowing, I'm serious, just knowing that there's a possibility, if you told me that they would be okay at the end of the three years,

then yes, I pick one, a sacrifice one. But knowing that I could lose time and they could pass away in those three years and that is something I could never get back. Right. $50 million. I'm saying no. But I'll throw the question to you. Okay.

Yes, I do it. Who are you knocking off? My sister. Man. Yeah. Ebony, Ebony, reach out to me. Let me tell you something.

Ebony, I would like for you to write me. Reach out to me because I would never do you like that. Let me tell you something. My sister is a survivor. I believe that she's going to survive. Don't speak for heaven. My sister is a survivor. I believe that she's going to survive.

And not only do I believe that she's going to survive. Not only do I believe that she's going to survive. After them, them three years, them three years, I'm going to be 44. She's going to be 46. We still going to, we're going to bow to we fall. You're going to over half is what you're going to over. No, no, no, I don't over half. See, you're sorry.

and had I known the question before, I would have extended my immediate family members. No, no. So I could knock one off. No, no. She doesn't get, I think for something like that, you get a million dollars.

How much you're going to give her? A million dollars a year. Out of 50? Out of 50, a million dollars a year. Oh, so three million? Three million dollars. Yeah, you get paid a million. You had to at least break her off with 10, 20%.

Hell no. Because look, let me tell you why you can't give her that much money. Because she's not the only person you're going to have to pay. Because you're going to have to pay. mom and them going to have to get my I'm only coming away with like at the end of the day I'm only coming away with like break this down 25 or 30 million dollars break this down okay what happens to the other 20 so mama mama got to get 10 daddy got to get 10 for doing nothing just for if I get 50 million dollars they got to get that money is that okay you understand wow we can't give we can't give

Ebony you know how bad things are going to be if they don't get that money reason. Ebony is the reason that you got the 50. No. And she's only going to get three? She's going to get three. Okay? Because they sacrifice for me.

So I got to pay them back. So they're going to, I'm not saying I give them something. But more than Ebony, the reason that they, Ebony gets three. She's the reason everybody got millions. Ebony gets three.

And by the way, $3 million in Baton Rouge. Three million dollars in Baton Rouge. Is that where Ebony is? Yeah, she lives in Baton Rouge. She lives in Baton Rouge. Ebony. That's $300 million.

dollars. Come on over to the Lindsay's. Come on to the Lindsay's. Y'all broke. Y'all ain't go get no money because you're not willing to make the sacrifice. Or the Cosbys. Right, right, exactly. Yeah, the cops, the copsbies. You know what I'm saying?

Well, that doesn't even make any sense. The copsbies. Your dad, the police, man. Your dad is not the police. He is too the police. Your dad is the police. You never thought about this? No, he's not. Your dad is law enforcement. Your dad is law enforcement. He's not.

Not even close. He's a U.S. attorney. He's a federal judge. He's a federal. Oh, excuse me. Now you're not a U.S. attorney, but he's a federal judge. Yeah, if he was a U.S. attorney, he would 100% be the cost. That's enough.

That's enough. So you're saying no, you couldn't do it. $50 million. You're not talking to one of your family members three years. Maybe if we weren't miced. Maybe if we, okay. And then they would know. And they would know, right?

Like, I would just disappear. Me and my sister would be. completely on go on and here's another thing about this is that like you can't you can't tell them that you're not talking to them they just have to you just have to not talk to them for three years oh so you can't even be like listen i'm gonna give you i'm not i'm not talking to you for three years oh that i'm definitely not doing that definitely not sorry changed my number this call has been this this this carrier has changed their number like mama what's going on with van i don't know i'm just holding out hope i'm looking at

pictures of Ebony. I'm looking at old videos. You know what I mean? I'm staying. I'm like, you know, I'm crying on a birthday and the whole nine and stuff like that. But then after them three years, I hit her off. It's us. It's us. Three million. It's us. You know what I'm saying? That's so poor Ebony. You have a dog to have twice in this podcast. All right, we got to go. But I will say this, though. I think in order to get closer to your parents, you should ask them about the number one time that they have sex. I don't, we're close, Van. Like, but you should, you should ask them like,

because I bet your mom has a time where the judge really put it down. And you should just see. I love the way that you, you really try to write the narrative for the Lindsay household. We good, Van. Thanks, though. Thanks.

So, you know what? You ask. Can I ask your parents? My dad would. But that would be mad at me. It's a guarantee that I'll ask. He would be mad at me. Like, hey, judge, me, Judge.

I'm some real shit, dog. You know, you look like you're swinging the Shaleli over there. You would never say that to my dad. You're out of your fucking mind if you don't think I would ask him that. Would you say it just like that? I was like, yo, you know, you're swinging that illegal Shaleli over there. You're swinging the Shaleli. Tell me about a time that you could remember.

I don't know if, you know, it was Juneteenth or if y'all had gone to Atlanta or something like that. Or you really feel moved in the spirit. Disrespect. One time that you really got it popping with Ms. Lindsay. Disrespect. See? Well, we got to go. Let's get out of control.

All right. It's done. All right. We are out of here. Thank you. Take your thing caps off. But do not stop learning. I am Van Lathan.

I'm Rachel Lindsay. Peace.