Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Deshaun Watson’s “Punishment” and Monkeypox on the Rise

Episode Date: August 2, 2022

Van and Rachel remember the lives of Bill Russell and Nichelle Nichols (10:42) before reacting to Deshaun Watson’s six-game suspension for sexual misconduct (25:50). Plus, monkeypox continues to be a public health crisis (52:48). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel's sick again. I do not have COVID. I have been tested, I would say, in the last week, six times.

And it's just sinuses. It's allergies turned into sinuses, but, like, it's settling in my chest. I can feel it as I'm talking to you. Me and Brian had to talk about that. I had to talk about what? Yeah, I talk about allergies. He has, he's new to allergies too. Because of L.A.

L.A. is an allergy place. I never really had problems with my allergies until I came out here. Yeah, bad air out here. You're saying that the air is bad? I mean, like Texas has a lot of trees and stuff. So sometimes I would suffer from it in Texas. Brian lives in Texas with me.

Miami, there's nothing. He moved out here. First year, he was good. This year he had allergies. Does air pollution cause allergies? I don't know if that's true. Donnie? I'm Googling.

Do you know if air pollution causes allergies? I have no clue. I know that she's right about the air, right? The air quality is a concern in L.A. That's why it's so pretty after it rains because you get a look of what the city would look like in the air. But also, I just lost my train of thought, which is probably going to happen a lot during this podcast as I'm foggy.

No. Bullet train of thought. Start Brad Pitt. No, no, no. It was something about Brian and allergies. Right. I don't know. But it also could be the fact that we were inside a lot.

And now we're outside and so, you know. And for me, it always starts in like February. I'm like, yo, what is wrong with me? I can't breathe. And like for months, I'm like, I can't breathe. I can't sleep. I can't breathe. And then it just goes away because it's the allergy.

It's the spring for me. Spring coming in. I was at your house on Saturday. Finally, you guys, so you can stop hearing him talk about how he, I don't invite him over. You were there, but he almost didn't come. Almost didn't come. Almost didn't come. Kalika, I said, come on, you guys.

You know, this idea was because Van talked about it on the podcast, I said, come on over. It's going to be a family day. Bring Bozeman, Ian Copper can play with Brownie, have a good time. Kalika and Bozman show up. Van, nowhere. Yeah, and I was at the house because. my friend Holly was boxing later on that night. And so I'm to the age where I can only do one thing per day.

So if it's like go somewhere and then go somewhere else, I have to choose one. I'm not doing two things per day. But I got up and I went to go box myself. Box around. And then Kalika goes, come to Rachel's house now. Is that what she's next to? She's like, come over here now.

Boseman food is great Where are those cookies from? Crumble That motherfucking crumble is off the chain That fucking cook Like yo I try not to be

Because I don't like to get One of my Sort of like Insecurities is I can't get too excited about food In front of other people Because it makes me feel So like

Everyone was excited though about crumble You were five I'm like, so I'm over there, right? And his chips and Brian grilled out, chicken and all that. So I'm nibbling and stuff. And I see this pink box open. I'm like, oh, shit. What the fuck?

What is in there? And then I see, I was like, oh, there's a chocolate chip in there. And you ever eat something that you know is going to be good, but you're not prepared for how good it was going to be? Yeah. So I tell them, I break the cooking. I'm like, ooh, consistent. licensees.

Jesus. And then I'm like, oh! And I don't want to go, oh! But I'm looking at Brian. And Brian, Brian's drinking the Celsius, and he's talking about what he has to do to lean out.

And I'm like, I don't want to get too excited over this fucking cookie in front of Brian. And, um, but those cookies are fantastic. That's a place that you've been before. Crumble? Constance, my sister said, do y'all have a crumble?

You should order cookies from there. Never heard of it. It's all the way in Northridge. but because I live far out They delivered the cookies from North Ridge I mean I'm in the valley Just up the fire You're in like Valley Village though

That's like a nice little hike I guess well it was worth it Was it bad for you to get over there? Did it take you a long time? Not really Not bad Saturday like you jumped to hill I'm glad you came

It was fun The kids were excited to see you You know they love you Alster Hendricks Yes You played around You did exactly what you said you would do You threw them around in the pool

they were, they had a time and they were knocked out at the end of the day. They don't weigh a lot. No. Easy to pick them up and launch them. Yeah, they're lean kids. Yeah, they're big. They're tall.

Well, who's their dad? You mean, who is their dad? A man named Alex? Is he tall? He's like, Constance is tall for it. Consis is tall. He's, maybe like six feet, six one.

You could tell Constance play basketball. Was she good? You can't tell I played? Not really. Was she like, She's going to love this. I could tell that you were, I could tell that. Okay, wait, which kind of player was Constance and which kind of player was I?

Constance was a score. She was. She was a shooter. Constance was a score. You were an intense, competitive, like, in your face. You were a Wolverine out there, and you were effective because of it, because you're good athlete, but you were also so aggressive. I was defense first. Yeah.

Yeah. Defense first, yeah. I was a monster. You were Patrick Beverly. Okay, yeah. And I would taunt people like that too. Exactly. For sure.

I could tell. Constance was smooth with it. Consist you could tell. You know what I'm saying? She was smooth with it. I was just tall, man. And then you had another friend from Dallas. She was at the house.

So yeah, it was really like a family day. My friend Premier was there. She's been out here for 12 years. I've known her as long as I can remember. I don't even know when we became friends. Parents were friends. She and I grew up together in a brother And then

Another girl, Jade, was there She grew up with us too No, that was Maya That was Maya. So I know Maya's those 14 She went to Spelman with my sister Speaking of Spelman Did you see the news?

Angelina Jolie's daughter? I figured you'd be upset Because that just means more money's going to a spellman More money's going to a spellman You know why it's a big deal Because she's going to HBCU And I thought of all people you would be very excited about that.

I am super happy. You condemn me for not going to an HBCU. So the fact that she's you don't really hear of celebrities' kids, I feel like going to HBCUs, especially when they come from white families. I'll be honest with you. I personally think that says more about

Angelina Jolie. Well, that's why it's news. Oh, okay, well, yeah. That's why it's news. It's not because it's a hara. I think that says more about Angelina Jolie. They was keeping it real in their house. I mean, it was some fuck shit going on. listen to her and all of that stuff with Brad and the kids. But they was keeping it real in that house.

Angelina Jolie probably wasn't one of those. See, because I always wonder, and for white people that have adopted black kids, sometimes I feel like they go by it the wrong way. Sometimes I feel like they watch a YouTube video and then they learn how to do cornrows. And then they come back and they have somebody's hair all fucked up. And then we could look at you and tell that your mama white because your hair, is fucked up. Right, right, right, right. White people that have black kids, don't do it that way. Just take your kids to Limer and drop them to fuck off. I told you about my white neighbor who came

knocked on my door and asked me if I could do her child's hair. See, that's too far too. No, it's not. Yes, it is. No, it's not. I actually really appreciate it. It's not like I didn't know her. I knew her as a neighbor. And she told me that she asked me if I could show her how to do hair. Show her how? I did show her how. I thought she meant if you could do it. I did it and showed her. She wanted me and I had like pulled out my basket of products and I did her hair and I told her what to get. I don't like it. So what else is she supposed to do? I'm not sure.

So she is supposed to do YouTube videos. How is she supposed to know what hair shop to go to? I was like, this is us or some NBC. That is an episode of this is us. You know what I'm saying? But she asked and she wanted to learn and I showed her she stayed. It's not like she dropped her off and went back downstairs. I like that Angelina George.

Joe Lee, Brad Pitt, whomever over there in the Perfect Bone Structure House, had enough wherewithal to instill in some way maybe they didn't instill it purposely. Maybe they just didn't stand as a roadblock. Because we don't talk enough about that.

We don't talk enough about what not being a roadblock means. Yeah. Because sometimes it's not about, hey, you need to go to Spelman. Sometimes it's about, hey, I want to go to Spelman and you're not saying, Hey, shouldn't you go to Brown? Shouldn't you go to Princeton? Shouldn't you go to Texas?

You know what I mean? Sometimes it's just about that. And I think that matters. But we talked about the Spellman thing. I just want to let people know. Other HBCHU, shout out Southern. Even shout out fam you. And I don't really fuck with the rattlers like that.

Well, Van had a conversation about Spellman with my sister who went there and Maya. Yeah. And shared these exact same sentiments. He just can't. But we had a good time. We had a good time on Saturday. And I'm really glad you came.

So fun. It was so funny. I jumped in the pool. All the water came out of the pool. That's not true, y'all. I was in the pool so long, though. You know how you get in the pool and you're in the pool so long that when you get out of the pool, you feel like all the water is out of your body?

Yeah. Like your faces. I'm like, God damn. It's so fun. Nice pool. By the way, great house, Rachel. Oh, thank you. Like a great house, y'all got money?

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slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash herms. We're going to start the big deal of the day today. Remembering two titans in American culture. Boston Celtics great. Bill Russell passed away at 88. And Nichols a trailblazing, underrated TV legend. This is the same day the news broke within hours of one another. Bill Russell, you can't say enough about what Bill Russell meant, not just to sports, not just to the NBA, not just to the Celtics, but to, you know, American culture.

Yeah. Titan. It's a stalwart. It's like when you think of what the quintessential basketball player should be, I feel like I think of Bill Russell. Interesting. Not just because, you know, like people can go back and forth and, you know, 11 championships, first black head coach, all of that. Like, you can do all of that.

But when people talk about playing with him, they talk about how selfless he was. How it was about the team instead of the individual, which you don't necessarily see all the time these days. So to see that he put the team first rather than put him first rather than put. putting up his own stats or his own agenda, it was all about everybody else. And that carried on to off the court. Everything that he did, he was at the March on Washington. You know, he stood behind Muhammad Ali.

He, I mean, he was in there in the midst of the civil rights movement. And then the way he turned his back, I shouldn't say that sounds more negative, but the way he stood against the treatment that he felt, not felt, but was getting in Boston. and how, you know, he didn't show up when they retired his jersey because of the treatment that he was getting there from the very city that he was so dedicated to in regards to, you know, playing with the Celtics. Just everything he did mentoring young people,

always on the sidelines at an all-star game, always there to give advice to lend a hand to, because he loved the game and he loved the people that were a part of it, but then he also loved the culture. And he knew what he represented and what he stood for and what he meant to so many people. So just like, yeah, when I just think, just to round it out, he's just like the basketball player,

the ultimate basketball player to me. Super well said. So this is where I think about when you think about a guy like Bill Russell. So let me tell you how Michael Jordan changed basketball to me, in my opinion. I think that Michael Jordan changed basketball because Michael Jordan changed the focus of the game to me.

Mm-hmm. And I don't, you know, I was born in 1980, so I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of who led the league in scoring in 1959 or who led the league and scoring in 1975. I know who the grades were from all of those eras were from all those errors. But things changed when Michael Jordan came around. Really, there was a holy trinity in the NBA of Jordan, bird, and magic. and I think that there was a mission on behalf of the league to make those three guys bigger than the game. And then Michael Jordan became bigger than those two other guys

and bigger than sports, right? And what he did was change the dynamic of team sports to where now it just didn't matter if you won. You have to be the reason why you won, right? It's less important than Skyty Pippen's actually been talking about this, right? It's less important to be Scottie Pippen, who is an integral part of championship teams, right? You have to be the number one reason why people win it. Everyone has to know it.

If you play for a team that's too stacked, that some people's problem with Kevin Durant, then they go, oh, blah, blah, blah, you're not to do. difference maker, you're not this, you're not this, has much less to do with the entire ecosystem of a team on organization, and whether or not you are the single, the single difference maker in that situation. Bill Russell was a difference maker, period. Period. Yeah. Like, Bill Russell, you don't look at Bill Russell as the same type of player, as like a Jordan, but he was the guy that had to go out and stop Wilk Chamberlain. He was the guy that had to go out and neutralize this dominating, ridiculously athletic, almost alien force in basketball. Will Chamberlain was a guy two generations before his time in basketball.

He was just like a unicorn in every sense of the way. But so was Bill Russell. And Bill Russell, every single part of his life just made a difference. He stepped on that court at whatever you needed to win, he gave it to you. If you needed 30 rebounds, he gave you 30 rebounds. And when I say 30, I mean 30. I mean, if you need somebody to go out there and get you 20, 25, 30 boards, he'd give it to you. If you need somebody to march with you to go change situations in society, he was there for you.

If you need somebody to show up and support somebody else who was doing it, right? To be a teammate, you would do it. He was the consummate professional, not just at basketball. He was the consummate professional at life. Yeah. And was funny. And was gracious. And was a gentleman.

And, you know, I think we always say this. and we say this a lot, right? We always say this. My thing is, I don't know if there are a lot of Bill Russell's out there right now. I think there's some guys out there that are doing their best Bill Russell impression. In the game of basketball. Period. Period.

I think we need more Bill Russell. And unfortunately, with his death, I'm hoping that the silver, as unfortunate as, his death is, I say, I'm hoping that the silver line is that people have a little bit more of an understanding in how he lived and what he was on and off the court. The statesman that he was, the ambassador for basketball, that he was, I never saw one minute of his play, but he was as recognizable, a figure to me as anybody else was, because he was always right there for the younger generation of guys, always involved. I saw the man, I got a chance to meet the man. Oh, you did?

Yeah, and he was just like a gigantic, living, breathing, cultural deity. And so it's a sad day, but it's also an opportunity for us to remember and aspire to be as great as Bill Russell was. I mean, even when I was, you know, reading about it and look, I knew these things, and I don't want to say I forgot about them, but I was reminded as I was going through it and I'm like, wow, he did so much and we're talking about it again and you're totally right. I didn't think about it as the silver lining, but it's so true.

Hopefully it does someone say, maybe I'm not doing enough and I could do so much more. Or maybe the way I've been going about it ain't right. So I don't, do we have any Bill Russell? You said not, you don't know. Do we have any? Any. Look, I don't want to, I don't want to,

I don't want to take away from what anyone's doing even though I kind of, I was just saying, Motivation. Bill Russell is the man. Rest in peace to Bill Russell. Nichols, just an unbelievably important trailblazing actress played Lieutenant O'Hura on Star Trek. She passed away at 89. This is one of the most familiar faces in my life.

In your life, yeah. And sadly, not everyone's. I mean, obviously, we all know that I don't know the difference between Star Trek. in Star Wars, but I was familiar with Nichelle because of what she represented and her being in that role and you didn't see typically at that time black women play a role outside of being a maid, a mammy, a slave, something like that. So I knew her for what she stood for and that she was a trailblazer in that right, but I don't really know, sadly, like I don't know that much about her life outside of that.

It's amazing. No doubt. His thing caused controversy back in the day because, and she influenced your life, and you don't even know how much she influenced your life, I'll tell you right now. I'll tell you how she influenced your life. One of the biggest moments in television history, something that you would actually emulate later on.

So that's one of the first interracial kisses was between her and Kirk on Star Trek. You don't even know that she paved away for you in your life, not just in TV, but in your life. Who would have known without people seeing James T. Kirk, captain of the USS Enterprise, and Lieutenant O'Hura kissing, you might not have Brian right now. Maybe so. You know what I mean? I had no idea. I was wondering, are you going to bring this together?

But my goodness. Martin Luther King Jr., a guy that I'm sure you guys have heard of, called it the first non-stereotypical role played by a black woman in television history. Michelle, you give Jesus a hug. I'm telling you straight up right now, if Martin Luther King Jr.

Yeah. Had said something like that about me. I would be telling that. Everybody. I didn't hear enough. I want all of our elders. Make sure y'all talk y'all shit before y'all leave us. Because that's the type of thing I would be telling everybody.

I would go to the DMV. It'll be like, hey, you got to wait. I'm like, no, I'm not waiting for nothing. Dr. King told me. Rest and peace. And that's why we can't have anything. because we would do that. Rest and peace to

Michelle Nichols. In her career, she was known for that role. She played that role, not just in television, on television, but in movies as well. Just a fantastic,

like for me, someone who loves sci-fi, I can't tell you how much when you're watching Star Trek as a kid or when you're watching Star Wars as a kid, like at a time when we were thirsty and starving,

for representation, right? At a time when you were, you'd see these movies and you would never see anyone who reminded you of one of your uncles or your aunts and then you see Lando Calarizian in Star Wars.

He's the man in Bespin, right? He's like, runs Cloud City, right? You see Lieutenant Uhura and she is right there representing a future you know, in the, the federation representing a future

that is supposed to have moved past racism. Oh, really? They addressed that? Yeah, well, the reason why the crew is multicultural and on the enterprise is because we're supposed to be at a point where that doesn't exist anymore. We're supposed to be at a point

where that's not a thing, that's not a thing anymore, right? And so, you know, you have the Federation. So they don't live on Earth? They do live on Earth. The headquarters in San Francisco. Okay. But they never deal with that. I really know nothing. I don't know the concept. I don't know

anything about Star Trek. Except for this. So this is what, okay, who does that in Star Trek? They all do. No. Captain Kirk? Wrong. I don't know anybody else. Spock? Yeah, Spock does that. I just literally pulled that out of nowhere. You put

five people up and I wouldn't know which one was Spock. So you wouldn't know which one was Spock? Which one Spock? I don't even know if I would fully be able to identify Captain Kirk. My nigger, like on some real shit. You know what? It's like Spock.

But I know that there's a Spock. I feel you. Spock is the one with the point of ears. That's the only one. That's him. I saw him at Comic-Con a lot. They had him Spock. Okay, so Spock does live long and prosper.

And so he does like that. Spock is a Vulcan. Okay, we're going deep. So Spock live long and prosper. Sometimes they'll do it back to Spock, but mostly this is Spock that does that, right? Spock is actually half-Bok. Can he go like this? He might be, I can't do that.

Not like talking about. Maybe I can. But Spock, I could do this. But like he can move his fingers around. Yeah, he can. Like he has, so Vulcans don't have any emotions. So Spock is a Vulcan, and so he doesn't have any emotions. So this is his emotion.

No, it's not his emotion. He still kind of feels emotions because he's part of human But emotion is like forbidden on Vulcan His mother was Winona Ryder They had her in the movie But anyway So So what the Federation is

They go out and explore the galaxy That's their job Okay So their job is to go out, explore And make contact with other things You know what I mean? Space, the final frontier Gotcha

You know what I mean? So they go out and they go out and they That makes sense. But they're peaceful, though. They have weapons in case it gets gully because the Romulins, the Cleons, all these other people. Sometimes they get gully with them, but they're peaceful. And she was a lieutenant. She had status, too.

She had status. She's on the bridge with Kirk. You know what I mean? It's amazing. With Scotty. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. Yeah.

A moment of silence for those two people that have become our ancestors now. Good journey. into the hereafter. Okay. I said that that was the big deal of the day, but I'm wrong. I'm sorry about that, Donnie. We'll come back.

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alleging of improper conduct during various sessions of massage that he got. We're talking about things from exposing himself to pleasuring himself to different sort of levels of assault, which those things are sexual assaults. A lot of these have been settled out of court, I think all of them. 23 out of 24. 23 out of 24 have been settled out of court. There have not been any,

there have not been any criminal charges that have really been able to stick to Deshawn Watson. So whatever penalty that was going to come, as a relate to this, was going to come from the NFL. And now we know that it is six games. This has been a long and winding sort of saga of events

that started nearly a year and a half ago, maybe longer than that, 2020, 2021, 2020, something like that? We've been going through this forever. The accusations start for years back, but I feel like we didn't find out until like 2021. Could be. Okay, cool. So, yeah, so now we know that the judge,

and the judge's name in this case is Sue L. Robinson. and this six-game suspension was cited by her. It includes an unprecedented condition. Watson can only get massages from therapists that are on the Browns' staff. He can't hire his own massage therapists. That is according to Tom Plesser. That is according to reporting done by the NFL network. I don't know what that guy's name is.

The NFL, from what we know, have been pushing for the suspension of at least a year, the Players Association and Watson's attorney say that he shouldn't have been suspended at all. Rach. So there's a lot here. And I even have questions with it. So if you'll, like, there's a lot being compared to other players

that have been suspended prior to. to Deshaun Watson getting his penalty. You have to also consider that former federal judge Sue... Robinson. Robinson. Sue Rob. This is the first time she has done this. If you'll remember, it was Roger Goodell who was giving out these penalties

and these suspensions before. This is the first time, I guess this is under the new CBA that they've agreed, that it would be a mediator that they both agreed on, or an arbitrator. They both agreed on. They would listen to the case from an objective point of view. So this is the first time

that she's done this. So it's hard to compare what has happened before when it was Roger issuing those out versus what Sue is deciding in this case. The other thing is I heard today that only four of the accusations were considered.

Yeah, only four. That's true. That, why? I need somebody to tell me how that's possible that if there were no criminal charges, we know that there were 24, I've heard 24, 27, and 30, but we know there were over 20 civil suits, 23 have been settled. Why are we only considering four? And whose choice was that to put up for? Because my question becomes, did you put up those four because those were the strongest cases? And was that a decision that was by the NFL that did that? why would we not consider all 23 to show some sort of pattern here?

To me, that would, even if they're not, even if it's a varying of the type of assault that was committed, alleged assault that was committed, it still would seem stronger to throw all of them out there because at the end of the day, he had, he settled 23 out of the 24. I don't understand that. I don't understand. And this was coming from, this was an argument in Deshaun Watson's, from Deshaun Watson's camp and the NFLPA, they were already. arguing that according to the NFL

Code of Conduct, teams and owners are held to a higher standard than players. We know that the team has been sued by some of these women and they have not had any sort of penalty. So their argument is, well, if you're not holding them to some sort of penalty, then how can

you hold Deshawn Watson when they have a higher standard with Code of Conduct than he does? So there are all these different questions that I have out of this and it comes down to something we say every single time we deal with one of these issues where there is a criminal act committed, alleged, whatever, and then it goes to the NFL to make some sort of decision, and there always seems to be inconsistency. And at the end of the

day, obviously, the victims are never going to feel whole, and that's not the goal, but you want the crime, the punishment to fit the crime. And six games doesn't feel like that's the case. if you're comparing it to other acts that have been committed by other players or if you're just looking at this standing alone. I mean, you listen to these stories, you see these accusations. This isn't aware there's smoke, there's fire.

He's settling the cases. There's something there. I do have an issue too with Deshawn Watson because he is not, he publicly has not shown remorse. He publicly still says he is innocent. But today, oh boy, from the pivot, Fred? Fred Taylor.

Fred Taylor. Fred Taylor said that he spoke to Deshawn Watson three weeks ago, and he was sorry that it all happened, and if he could go back, he would never do it. And then Dominique was like, well, if that's what he really said, then he needs to come out and say that publicly because nobody has seen him show any sort of remorse.

So there's something missing here still. What you hope is that when you get to this point of a case, or a media circus saga or whatever, is that there'll be answers about what happened and what's going on. That's what you hope. You hope that you'll get some answers. Because without any truth or any answers

or any understanding, there can be no closure. And the victim's closure is by far the most important thing that goes on with this, right? Absolutely. It's the whole thing. But I think that when something as public as this is, everybody's looking for a little bit of closure because people have to make their peace

with what's going to happen during an NFL season or how they should feel when they see Deshawn Watson and that's not unfair for people to ask I want to know what went down we still have no clue what's happening here

six games doesn't seem like it's enough of a punishment right but we don't even know what he's being punished for conduct unbecoming what is unbecoming What is unbecoming about what it is that he did? Because that means something was there. Well, no, I'm saying is the very accusation unbecoming, is being in the situation unbecoming,

is the fact that the league is being looked at like this unbecoming. What has happened? Like, if you get a DUI and they hit you with a three-game suspension, we know why. If you get into a domestic situation or if you beat the shit out of your kid, which we've seen in the NFL, and you get a suspension, we know what's, on becoming in this situation. We have DeShon Watson and his representation basically saying

hey, I didn't do anything but I'm sorry. Yeah. Like literally they're saying I didn't do nothing but in case anybody was hurt my bad. And settling out of court over and over and over again. You see right here his attorney and the NFLPA

which I would love to talk to them about it. I was thinking that this morning. Like the NFLPA, they're saying they still don't think he should have gotten any suspension at all. But because of the way they handled the owners. That's their defense. It's not based on innocence. It's because

the Code of Conduct holds these people higher and you didn't even punish them. So why are you punishing him? So I guess my thing with this is like is there there is like this isn't over. As a matter of fact, if you want my opinion,

the six game suspension made it worse. The six game suspension made it way worse. It made it worse because because no one has any idea what the fuck is happening, but everyone feels like that's not enough. And when

feelings dominate information, shit always goes wrong. Sure. So either Deshawn Watson needs to say, hey, I used to go into massages with women and say things to them that made me expect that it was okay for me to pull my dick out.

and some of these women didn't get it or there was some there is an explanation here or the explanation is that this guy has a serious fucking problem and he needs help and not to be in an NFL organization but there is an answer

and this what we've just gotten brings us no closer to finding it out and it's and because it's well I was about to say it's definitive it's not so the NFL and Deshawn Watson's side has three days to decide if they're going to appeal it Now, NFLPA has already said they're not appealing.

Whatever the decision was, they weren't going to appeal it. So we're not expecting that to happen with them. But the NFL could appeal the decision because Deshaun Watson's team was asking for no, no penalty, no suspension. And the NFL was asking for a year. That is such a large, there's a huge difference that they were asking for him nothing. Oh, and also to add to that, he has no fine. So he's only losing money for the sixth game. which I saw was $330,000, but we'll collect, what, like 40-something million this year for the rest of the games?

Yeah, that's a lot more. So if you're Deshaun Watson, why would you ever do one of the two things, if any, that you just said? He's already said he denies it all. It didn't happen. Now he has his, unless they appeal it and the decision has changed, and the appeal goes to Roger Goodell, let's just say it stays at six games. You don't play those six games. You keep working out.

You can come back and start practicing within that sixth week. You're going to get your money after that. You're going to play the rest of the season as a starter. Like, what incentive do you have? That's a fantastic question. That's what I... Let me tell you what. Let me tell you what my incentive would be.

If in some kind of way, I was accused of jerking off in front of 25 different women. and there was either an explanation or I didn't do it. Nigel, we put in a fedora on. We put on a trench coat. We investigate this shit. We're going deep. I'm going to let everybody know every single. This is all about Deshaun and how he wants to be viewed in his career now.

If Deshawn Watson is okay with people thinking that he is a sexual deviant, which he would have to be, that likes to jerk off in front of women, like without their consent, then DeShon Watson will continue to keep quiet. But if it was me, I would be on my, I'm finding a real killer shit. If it were me and that was the perception of me, and that is in fact what not happened, what didn't happen, should I say, I'm going to make sure that everybody knows what the fuck went on.

Look, I don't see what type of explanation there could be, but maybe there's one. Maybe he's fucking fucked up in the head or some, I have no clue. But if Deshawn Watson just says, hey, six games came down, Sue Robinson made the decision, the NFL has to abide by it.

Like, this is the way the arbitration process works. Boom, now let's everybody move on. They ain't never moving on. This is with him forever. He could go out right now and when the MVP and the Super Bowl, he's still going to be the jackoff guy. You think so?

I absolutely believe so. So if we're going by history, people let it go. People will move on to the next thing eventually. Like Browns fans are going to be forgiving because they've already, they put, picked him up when, not picked him up, but you know, like he was traded to the Browns when this investigation was going on. So Browns fans aren't going to care for the most part. I think and people will move on to the next thing

somebody else will do something terrible because that's just human nature and they're just slowly going to look past Deshaun. I'm telling you. They will move on. Of course they will, but they will never forget. Yeah, but will they? And what does that mean?

How does that look? You'll never forget. I'll tell you straight up, bro. I tell you straight up. 25 is a big number. People have moved on and forgotten things. I know they have for athletes in the past. But there's been a murk,

25 is a big number. That seems pathological. Like, 25 is a big number. So what I'm saying is, if I'm Deshawn Watson, and there is an explanation which he is laying down in front of the fucking train, promising people that he is innocent. He needs to convince people of that.

And if he does it, then he's okay with being known as a jackoff guy. And until I know more about it, his name is JLG, jack off guy. I got to be real with you. Like, go out there, play football, do whatever you got to do. But until I know it's a jackoff guy, look, they're playing jackoff guys out there. The reality is if you ask the permission to jack off and the permission is given as long as the person doesn't work for you or you're not in some position of power over them, because there's other niggas who got in trouble with that shit. It's fine.

You can't just jack off in front of people. You can't just nut all over people. You can't do that. And he was doing alleged the allegations are even beyond that. Beyond that, though. It wasn't just that. I just can't even imagine at how triggering it is to see him, going to see him talked about on sports programs.

Because the story is going to, I mean, when six games is over, everybody in the media is going to be talking about it. Sean Watson's first game. What will he do? Who is it against? This story will come back up about the allegations and the suspension and what he's been doing. And you just have to relive it over and over again if you're one of these victims. And remember, the New York Times article said there were 66 women they talked to.

Remember, half of them were just afraid to come forward because of what's happening right now. Okay, something a little uncomfortable we have to talk about here on the podcast. All right. Mystical, real name Michael Tyler, was arrested in charge with first-degree rape in Ascension parish, the parish right outside of East Baton Rouge Parish on Sunday. According to W.AFB9, our local station there in Baton Rouge, the 51-year-old rapper, his real name is Michael Tyler, as I said before, is facing felony charges of domestic abuse, strangulation, and robbery, as well as Mr.

of criminal damage and false imprisonment. Alleged victim who was treated at a local hospital, identified Missicle as their assailant. Miskill was subsequently arrested and booked into the Ascension Parish Jail on Sunday afternoon. This is not Miscop's first time with this. He has been arrested twice before. Sexual assault in 2003, he pled guilty to sexual battery and extortion. It was sentenced to six years in prison. In 2017, he was a guilty.

again arrested for rape and was held in custody for nearly two years until he was able to post bond the charge was later dropped due to lack of evidence. Okay. So, quick story time. This morning, I'm going to say, let me look at this up, this morning at 6.45 a.m. LA time, which would be. 8.45 a.m. Baton Rouge time.

I get a text. The text is from my mother. And the text says, this nigger is a predator. I know you are in the hip-hop world, which I'm not. I don't know why mom would think that I am. I know you have a relationship with Percy Miller,

which I do. Shout out to Master P. But mystical has been charged with felony rape, and the girl is your cousin. Have they identified her publicly? They haven't. Okay.

And we're not going to identify her right now. She goes, I just don't want you taking up for him. Don't know why she would think that I would. Because people are saying that he is being targeted because he is a black man. She contacted me on, like, yesterday, I know you have a relationship with the hip hop community. My mother thinks that I have this deep relationship with the hip hop community. You don't think you do? I have a relationship with the hip-hop community.

So, full disclosure on this situation, this woman is related to us. It's not a close relation. It's not someone that I grew up knowing my entire life or hanging out or anything like that. But it is somebody that is very close to my mother. Somebody that has been a great friend to my mother. Somebody that after she became friends with my mother realized that we, are related, which is not something that is uncommon for to happen in Baton Rouge. And someone who my mother's known for quite a bit of time at this point and who does have a

direct connection to our family. I spoke to her just before we did this podcast. Yes, I don't want to say her name. In time, she'll be able to tell people if she decides to her side of this. the first of all, I don't know if people know this. Number one, she had been in a previous relationship with mystical. They have children, kid together. But they hadn't been romantic from what I understand in a very, very long time.

She went through with me in detail her account of what happened. And it is absolutely disgusting. It's disgusting. It's scary. Not scary. It's terrifying. It's depraved. Like not just,

I mean, anytime someone is sexually assaulted, raped, or, you know, attacked in that way, it's depraved. But from her account, this was particularly,

demeaning dehumanizing violent controlling demonic almost I will not be identifying her on the podcast I will not be

talking about exactly the details of what she told me on the podcast that's her truth to tell and at some point maybe she'll want to tell it maybe she won't i'm going to do everything i can in order to help her and get her with the right people for her to you know proceed in this case um and also for her to seek whatever other uh sort of damages she might want from him if she wants

any i don't know what she wants in terms of of that or however she wants to punish him there's a son that's out there somewhere. I feel like, you know, for all of this, that he's going to need a lot of support as he sees what's going on in his family. But the reason why I'm even talking about this and saying this is because I understand that when someone is accused of a crime,

when someone is accused of something and it's somebody that we know that might have made us laugh our inclination is to our inclination is to say hey this is a money grab

this is false this is something that never happened you know and in case cases like this, I would just caution people. The law hasn't had it say yet. These are all allegations at this point, right?

The law hasn't had it say yet, hasn't been investigated yet, but you have to, in a situation like this, give oxygen so that the victims here can breathe. Because if not, all of your uninformed knee jerk, bullshit responses to this will suffocate them. And they'll be less voracious about approaching their truth and attacking their truth. The truth has to be attacked. Sometimes you can't just go and ask for it.

Sometimes you have to rip it away. You know what I mean? And this woman deserves the opportunity to do that. Absolutely. So I heard her. I believe her 100%. I believe her 100%. But there are a lot of people out here who don't even.

know what the fuck happened and are jumping on this because they like shake your ass. Pause and be a human for a second. Seriously. In June 26, 2003, Mystical pleaded guilty to sexual battery and extortion. Pled guilty to sexually assaulting his hairstylist. He was sentenced to six years in state prison. That doesn't apply. In 2012, he had a domestic abuse battery.

charge. In 2017, he was arrested and then subsequently charged with rape. There's a pattern here. And I'm sure I'm missing because I'm scanning through as I'm looking at this. He's currently registered as a sex offender. Of course. That happened in 2010. I knew that he had trouble with the law, but I never researched what the trouble was. I honestly had no idea that it was for sexual assault until this happened and then I started looking into well I know he's been in trouble before what is it there's a pattern here that's all like I don't even need to say much to what you just said because you said it so well and it's so true and we're talking about these 20 plus victims with Deshaun Watson and it applies to exactly the case here about giving it oxygen letting them tell

what happened to them giving them the opportunity rather than believe leaving somebody else because they're famous and they have money and they have status. We have to stop doing that. We have to stop making people feel like they're above the law. And in mystical's case right here, who, you know, like, I was a fan of. But you have to look at what he's done before. He is a predator. He is, he has pled guilty to these similar charges before. He is abusive. He is dangerous. We have to take this seriously. My thoughts and prayers are with your cousin.

I can't even imagine what she's going through as she's having to deal with what happened to her. Then this is the father of her child. Then she's going to have to deal with the court of public opinion. All to get some sort of justice, which she absolutely deserves on the criminal and the civil side. And so I hope that she finds peace, but then I also hope she gets justice.

as well. Yeah. I hope she finds peace. I hope she gets justice and I'm going to be right here as a resource to make sure that it happens. But all with what she wants to do. Yeah. All with how she is going to be looking at it. All with with

thoughts and concern about how best she gets through this. So, you know, it's just it's weird. And look, let me tell you something else, man. It's just not,

it's not that many people that, you know, my mother can lean on for friendship that she trusts. My mother, who herself has been a victim of things like this, it's just, it's just hard being a black lady in South Louisiana, man.

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I want the monkeypox vaccine Do you, Van? Yep. Fuck that shit. Well, apparently it's running low so you might want to try to get it. Nah, so I put it on Twitter and they were like,

your van, you know, is don't have to worry about monkeypox because monkeypox only affects gay people. Oh, we've got to stop with that, y'all. That's not true. Nigger. I seen a girl in the Shade room that said she got monkey pox. She was poxed out.

She was, I'll tell you, she was so poxie. She was poxing. She had a significant pox. And when I tell you, it was pox everywhere. This is one of the worst fucking things. Hey, man, God bless you, sister. She says she worked at the racetrack. She is from Marietta, Georgia.

Okay. and she was on the shade room and it was pox on her fucking lips dog fucking poxy and she said she thinks she got it from handling money and touching her face and touching her face

she thinks she got the goddamn pox and my thing is it's like are you are you scratching yourself stop it was so fucked up stop you're making me

I'm so fucked up. Like, it's like, my thing is, I need, look, I don't give a fuck, man. I need the vaccine, bro. I don't want to fucking get the pox, man. I don't want it either. I mean, maybe we should, it's, it's said that you get it through. It is not a disease that only affects the LGBT plus community. Please stop spreading that nonsense out there.

But you can get it by being in close contact with someone who, has it. It's like chicken pox, right? Like chicken box. Yeah, but chicken poxing it up. Yeah, but chicken pox didn't look like that. Fuck, no. Chicken pox is a bitch compared to the monkey pox.

And, you know, I be boxing. And now when I'm boxing, you know, I put the jab on niggers a little bit more. Because now when I'm boxing, I'm like, I'm putting the jab on them now. I'm getting off me. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Just sweat, flying everywhere. I'm rolling around.

I'm going to put the jab on you. Get off me. juices flow in. Get off me. Get off me, man. But the pox is a serious situation. It's, uh, San Francisco has declared an emergency with monkey pox. Authorities in New York says the virus represented an imminent threat to public health across the state. Oh my God. San Francisco have called it a local health emergency. Mayor, uh, Mayor London breeds that the risk of the disease remained low, but the declaration going into August 1st would help in the mobilization of resources.

I have a homie. No, no, no, no. He didn't have the pox. He got the pox vaccine. He got the first shot of the pox vaccine. He says he's waiting for the second shot of the pox. Is two vaccines?

The guy get twice, apparently, the vaccine for the pox. Donnie, are you there? Yeah, I'm 15 miles from Marietta. Maybe closer. You got that pox, bro. I could tell. You might want to get the vaccine. Donnie, would you get the Pox vaccine if you could?

Yeah, I would. I trust science. Yeah. So the U.S. has confirmed 4,900 monkeypox cases. 1,200 are in New York, 261 have been diagnosed in San Francisco. Where was that thing that said you don't want it to get in the water? Because if it gets, oh, that was? It was like, okay.

Okay. So I put that up on my stories. Oh, maybe I, so I blame you for the faulty information. I put it up in my stories. I believe it. As a Shirley van vets the stuff he puts out. Because I'm scared of the pox. So I jumped out the window.

Shout out to Amanda. Amanda hit me up. Amanda was like, yo, you should take that down because a lot of epidemiologists say that that's all a bunch of bullshit. That the pox is already in the wastewater and it's poxing out and stuff like that. Not only are the, not. only is the pox going crazy. Nigger, polio is on the rise.

Is it really? Yeah, look, I'm going to tell y'all straight up. I'm going to give y'all one warning because I'm not talking about this every time because my nerve's too bad. We give you out one warning. All this stupid shit that y'all on? We're going back to the dark ages, baby. Yeah, we are. We haven't thought about fucking polio since the 50s.

But because of the fact that there is such vaccine, hesitation, We're seeing increases in fucking polio in parts of the United States of the world. Fucking polio. Nine States of America. Polio. We're talking about what FDR had. Jonas Salk fucking figured that shit out a long time ago. All right.

Polio. Polio's coming back. They won't fucking get the polio. And guess what happened? Polio will fucking take your legs. Guys. It said it was founded New York Rocklands County wastewater. And the wastewater.

Water. Polio. First confirmed case in the U.S. in almost a decade. In a decade. I want you guys to think about this. Oh, my gosh. All these people out here that say, hey, this scientific misinformation and disinformation doesn't hurt anyone. Bullshit.

Of course it hurts people. It definitely hurts people because as we allow these sort of bad sort of, listen to how Rachel's coughing right now. That's one of the first signs. Stop! Of what? Symptoms. Nah, I don't think you get up. Look, seriously.

Make sure your science is fucking on point because the reality of these situations is that the fucking shit can come back. These diseases didn't just leave the planet. We beat them through science and ingenuity. But if we say, hey, come back polio, polio will get fucking dressed up and come back into society. Stop saying. We don't even get vaccinated for it anymore. Please stop saying that. Please stop.

You know what I don't like about this? What? It says 1,200 cases in New York, 200 cases in San Francisco. Where are the other 2,000? So about monkeypox? Yeah. We don't know. Where are they?

You never know. You never know. Well, Marietta, Georgia is one. Marietta, Georgia. Donnie. Donnie, are you afraid of monkeypox? Terrified. It sounds so much scarier and is so much scarier than chicken pox.

My goodness. Speaking of chickens and animals and shit like that, are you ever going to tell us what happened with the rabbit or with any of the other things? Are you ever going to attempt to, yeah, come on, bro. What the fuck, don't? There is a slight snake update. I got in touch with the Georgia wildlife and fisheries.

And they said that for them to come out, I have to send them a picture of the snake. So they'll know if it's poisonous or not. So for the past, like, week and a half, I've been trying to get a picture of this snake and it's been as elusive as ever. I haven't seen it. I know it's still there, though.

If you get close enough for a picture, kill it. What was I doing in the Beatles in the backyard? Y'all, I got to be honest with y'all. What was I doing to them? Van was screaming at me because I was killing. I was smacking them. They were flying left and right. So they're Beatles.

Rachel has a beetle issue in her backyard. I'd never see them come out like that. Beautiful harmless Beatles. And these city folk, these city folk from the middle of the goddamn urban sprawl that is now America, we're killing Beatles for no reason.

There's absolutely zero reason. Everybody's freaking out because these Beatles are flying around. These Beatles, are harmless and gorgeous. And green. I thought they were cicadas.

And you guys are slapping the beat. There's literally, literally nothing to be able to do. It was chasing us. It was flying. One guy to Maya's hair. So what? Even Bowman was like all upset about it.

Bozeman gets upset from his own shadow. He's scared, you know, Boseman guys, he has his dad's anxiety situation. You guys were just killer. Rachel, I don't know if you respect nature like that. I'm going to be honest with you.

I smacked the shit out of that. I, like, swatted it with that noodle. With that noodle. Boom. And Contest killed a beetle with a bare hand. It's like they smelking around beetles and all of this. And I feel sorry for the Beatles because the Beatles are like, yo, this is our fucking place. All of these trees and shit.

They're insects. Don't do the same argument with the Mount Lions that you do with these beetles. Let me ask you a question. And don't call me a non-animal lover when I've adopted, not one, but two dogs. Yeah. Yeah, for your, that's different though. You adopt a dog, adopting a dog,

let me break this down for people right now. Adopting a dog doesn't make you an animal lover. But I do love animals. Adopting a dog doesn't make you an animal lover. Adopting a dog means you've adopted. It's a great thing to do. You want a furry little pal to come in and hug you up and be down with you forever.

The real test of an animal lover is how you treat mom. I'm lying. The real test of an animal lover is whether or not, why kill the beetle? Because it was bothering us. The beetle's dead now. I have a fear of things that fly. I've talked about this multiple times. Would you kill, let's say there was like a sparrow back there and the sparrow was, would you kill the sparrow?

Isn't it illegal to do that? I'm just asking you, you forget about the law. We know you. It depends if I, if I could, I probably would. See what I'm saying? And then Donnie going to kill the snake? The snake hadn't done. nothing. Have you ever been attacked by a bird? Of course. I was going to say, well, then you

think differently. Of course, I've been attacked by a bird. I spent my whole life outside. I've been attacked by snakes. I've been attacked by beetles. I've been bit up by all kinds of things. But you know what? The more time you spend outside in nature, the more you understand it's a delicate ecosystem and everything has its place. You know what? I'll be honest with you. Can I tell you a little story about the mouse that was in my room? So check me out. We lived in. We lived in a little bit of a And so check me out. We lived in Zachary. All right.

After mom left, it was just me and dad in the house. The house went from beautiful to all fucked up in like six hours. My mother was there. My mother would come out. She would pressure wash the fucking sign outside. Everything would happen. My mother would be like, son, it's time to go outside and cut this, whatever. If anything like broke, like on the stove, there's a guy coming out, fix the stove.

whatever, it got to the point to where you would turn the fire on the stove, right? It was an electric stove. You'd turn it on an island. And it would go, pop, pop, pop, pop. And me and my dad just left it. You know what I'm saying? Like, me and my dad, like, me and my dad just left it. The washing machine broke.

Me and my dad didn't call somebody out to fix the washing machine. We just started going to the laundromat. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, my mom was there. Everything, she left, everything was fucked up. And another thing that happened is, critters started to like come around. I don't know how she, whatever she was doing to keep the house together, which we never

appreciate women for doing. But she was keeping the house together. So, you know, me and my dad are there. And I would see from run from the hall to my closet a mouse. And my dad saw him one time. And my dad was like, all right, son. That's what we're going to do about the mouse. Because outside there were rats.

And we were used to that, right? But in the country, like, this is what we're going to do about the mouse. We're going to go up here to Walmart. He called it Mallmark. I don't know why he wouldn't say to the team. Go up here to Walmart. We'll leave little rat traps. Put the rat traps out there.

Get the rat. Get the mouse, right? And we had had mouse traps before or stuff like that. But for some reason, this time, I would see the little mouse running back and forth. I didn't want him to die, man. I didn't want him to die. You know what I started doing?

Feeding. Balling up little pieces of cheese. Oh, my gosh. you got caught. Please tell me you got caught. Balling up a little piece of cheese. Remember, my dad... How old are you? I'm like 23, 22.

Yeah, like 23, maybe even 24. Maybe you're like 10. Like, no, hell no. My parents got divorced. So like, I'm like, I might have been 23, 24. So I remember my dad comes on my dad. He's actually coming to the door to tell me something really sad. And he steps on like a little piece of cheese.

So look So my dad was coming to the door It's very sad My dad was coming on the door To tell me that his mother had passed away Oh So my dad was coming to the door He's knock, knock, knock

I'm like, what? He's like, open the door, boy I'm like, what's up? He's like, open the door boy So I'd like close down Onion booty.com on my computer And then I go over to the door I go over to the door

I'm like, hey what's up? He's like she passed on. I'm like, damn, we have a little moment right there, hug. And then he looks and he stepped on the side of his boot, some cheese. And he looked at me, he's like,

why is there cheese on the floor? And then I looked at him, then he looked at me, and he just shook his hand and walked up. He didn't have the heart. Like, he didn't, he didn't realize, he didn't have the heart. heart to like get at me for for not having the balls enough to kill the mouse.

I hope that mouse is still alive somewhere. I hope it's not. All right, y'all, that's enough. On the next show, we're going to talk about the girl at FAMU who, uh, it just came through. You're laughing. They're laughing. We're going to talk about the girl of fam, you who's under investigation now for taking a butt-necked graduation picture.

Take thing caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lathin Jr. I'm Rachel Linn. We out.