Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Draymond’s Punch, Daddy Trump, and Dropping Loaves! Plus, a Diddy Trial Update. | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

It’s Rachel’s last day in Paris, and Van’s dropping loaves (gross)! They talk about the closing statements from the Diddy trial with Yodit Tewolde before getting into quick hitters, Zohran Mamdani’s victory, and the use of the n-word by That Mexican OT. 00:00 - Welcome! 03:47 - Rachel’s Paris call 14:37 - Yodit Tewolde joins us! 43:06 - The NBA draft 51:22 - Chuck Schumer is Hospitalized During the Heat Wave 57:05 - Trump is called "daddy" by NATO’s secretary-general 1:11:50 - Zohran Mamdani’s victory in the New York primary 1:24:02 - Draymond Green and the punch 1:33:25 - That Mexican OT Saying the N-word 1:44:31 - Thanks for watching! Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Yodit Tewolde Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yeah, a thought warriors. I learned his own is Zadman Lansing Jr. And it's me, Rachel, and Lindsay. I didn't get me sleep last night. You say it like it was because of me. What was it because of me? Why would it be because of it? What happened?

I don't know. I just didn't like the way that you looked to me when you said. I have. You know, I'm working with a nutritionist. And so, you know, we started a diet. and in order to get back to zero, I'm doing a little cleanse. And so I ate some stuff yesterday, took some stuff yesterday, and it turned into a late night loaf session all night with loaf,

getting up with a loaf. You binged? What do you mean I binged? What do you mean loaf? What do you mean loaf? Dropping loaf. Oh, ew. Ugh.

Why is it so disgusting? Why can't you just say I had a bowel movement? Dropping loaf and you know what you're doing, it creates a visual where I then physically see you using the bathroom. And that's not what I want. Why can't you just say? That's true. Donnie, Ashley.

To me, it was because I didn't know what you were talking about. So once I found out what it was, my reaction was, ugh. You're talking about shit? It's absolutely disgusting. Part of that is dropping a loaf, booty of the bread. Dropping a loaf is disgusting. Don't, please don't say that.

I'll tell you guys something. Because you have bowel movement. Part of that is because of my size. If Donnie would have said that he dropped loaf, you guys would have just let it go. No. But people don't like, people don't like bigger people's like bodily functions.

Like, for example, if you are a thinner person, you can, you know, fart, burp, it's cute. That's not true. But if you are a bigger person and you fart, it's like, look at, stank, fat, stank. This is a fat stanker over there. Yes. Nichelle, if you hear somebody say drop a loaf, does it matter the size? No, you think a loaf of bread. doesn't matter if they're skinny. Her boy, she's like, it doesn't matter if you're skinny

or large. This is your own personal insecurity. It's a disgusting term. I'm telling you guys how this goes and you guys know that it's true. Skinny people can sweat. Skinny people can have bodily functions. But us bigger people, the BMI crowd, we have to, we can never be a little tart. We can never be a little fart, but that's okay. So, It is what it is. It is what it is. I'm fighting for us. But do you feel like the nutritionist is helping you?

Do you feel like it's working? Good. It was very important for me to look at the nutritionist is working in league with my new trainer. And it's very important for us to look at protein and body composition and all that stuff. And we're getting there because I did dead hangs. I'm excited for you. A couple of days. You ever done a dead hang before?

Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. It doesn't matter what you got going on, how long you can box, how much you can play basketball. Them deadhangs will let you know just the shape that you are not in. And can I say it doesn't matter the size you are. Just you're you fighting against your own way. It's a lot.

Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah. I called you last night. What time? Well, it was daytime for you. It was nighttime for me. Oh, you're talking about when I answered the phone.

Yeah. I'm surprised you want to talk about that, honestly. Why not? What, I would have absolutely nothing to hide? Why would I not tell you? Why would I not talk about calling you on my Parisian vacation? Are you shaking your head? What?

I literally have nothing to hide. So Rachel called me last night, and she was in the club with Sean. FaceTime. FaceTime. She was in the club with Sean Dickerson, coolest white boy in the world. bar none, Sean Dickerson,

coolest my boyfriend. The coolest. All right. And so this is who Rachel was partying with last night. I love that Sean is out here throwing parties in Paris. I think that's so dope. He does it all the time. Sean being Paris.

It's my first time, though, experience. Yeah, yeah. So if you guys don't know who Sean Dickerson is, he is a part of made entertainment. Shout out to all of the homies over there. Devin Anderson. Vic, Mark, Milt, Sean,

the whole crew. A lot of you guys have friends that are party promoters, or a lot of you guys have party promoters that you know, but these are my real friends who promote parties. And Sean is one of them, but he's also a man about

the culture. When you say he's like a, he's a man of leisure, Sean Dickerson. And you were with him last night. How many in words do you think? How many words do you think Sean said? In his life? Because you know you love to do this. He's in the thousand plus club, probably.

And the only reason why I say that is because he's from Baltimore. Yeah, he's been down for a long time. So it probably took somebody coming along and telling Sean, hey, man, because he's very evolved. So it took somebody coming to him and being like, hey, man. is, you know, you're, and for him, he's like, now he puts it to this, because there's so much of his life he had to put to the side. There's not a bad bone in the guy's body.

The guy's fucking awesome, but he probably was, you know, on the stoop in Baltimore. They have stoops. I don't think they have stoops in Baltimore. Oh, no, you're probably trying to think of the wire or something. But why would I, why a good friend of yours I'm seeing over here in Paris, Why would I want to hide the fact that I, yes, that I saw out? Why would I want to hide the fact that I ran into him? What's the problem with that?

So this party that Rachel FaceTime me from, it was 4 o'clock in the morning. How do you know that? Because you guys told me, which is that, the fact that you just asked that tells me that you are out of your mind. Because that's the first. I was not. I just had no concept of time. That's the first thing you told me was how it was what time it was. The first thing you told me, you're like,

okay. This was Rachel. Yes. That's not true. It's for him. Don't make some stories. It's for him. And Sean had a goblet.

He didn't even have a glass of wine. That's not what happened. Sean had a goblet of wine. I regret this already. Sean had a goblet of wine. He did. He did. Yo, what's up?

It's me, Sean Dickerson. That's how he sound. And so, and it wasn't just you and Sean, though. It was you, Sean, Cardi B, Offs, oh, it's not offset.

Cardi B. Stefan Biggs. Freddie Gibbs. No. Everybody was in, I seen the list. Freddie Gibbs. You know that I know.

Yeah, Freddy, come. Freddie, my guy. You know that I know, y'all was all in Paris. You have an appearance night. Right. I was surprised. Why were you surprised? Of course I'm out of, I really am.

I'm not even going to lie and I'm ready to come home. I'm ready to come home. I come home tomorrow. Are you having fun? I'm having a good time. It's good. It's been a good, it's been a good vacation. I mean, I just work, the first part vacation. This has been the vacation. Does I just hear you say that Nichelle's with you? Yeah, Nichelle's here. Michelle Heinz?

Michelle was, yes, Michelle Hines. She was kind enough to open up her place. So I could do this podcast, literally carrying my equipment around Paris, dedicated. We were at Nichelle Heinz's house one time, and there were Pelotons. He's talking about being at your house. There were Pelotons everywhere.

Pelotons. They weren't, they're not pelotons. They were pelotons. There was legitimate pelotons everywhere. She had like five, six. It was like, Nichelle was like she's slanging pelotons off the side of the road. She looked like you slanked pelotons.

I walked in the house. It's very nice. We're all in there. And I look around after Rachel's birthday. And I see like, I like to go in the birthday. It's all you can focus on. Yeah. I'm like, yo, who, who, who, who's crib do you go into?

And they got like five, six peloton. I'm like, yo, I look over it. I'm like, is Michelle the Peloton plug? Because if you need a peloton on the black market, is that who you go to? I don't know. Um, all right, Rachel, I'm glad you're having a good time. Thank you. I'll be back Monday. You'll be back Monday in studio.

Now, did you have things, first of all, have you seen people with the begets since you've been there? I have not seen anybody walk in the street with baguettes, but I have seen begets at tables. There you go. Have you had any type of... Sorry, I didn't disappoint you. It's upsetting. But have you had any type of... Parisian adventure

that you would like to share with the thought of them. No. Interesting. No. I'm just having a good time. I'm going to shows. I'm going to dinners.

I'm going to parties. Networking always. That never stops. People love high learning. They love the podcast. Who was I just talking to that said, oh God, who said that they know you? I feel like I've met so many people.

And I was like, man, and they were like, course, course. Oh, Draymond. Draymond Green? Yeah, because we got to talk about him. Yeah. Dremont, I went to a luncheon that it was, they called it the green room. It was meta and clutch. And obviously, podcasts, asked him about Jackson.

They used to work here. Remember Jackson? Working with him. Jackson's great. And I was like, oh, I do higher learning. I do it with family. He's like, oh, my God. I see y'all's clips all the time.

Yeah. Maybe he'll see the one later today. Yeah, because you're not going to like it. I'll fuck with Draymond, but Draymond crazy for what he said over on the Pivot podcast, and we're going to get into it. Shout out to the Pivot podcast. The Pivot is one of those places

where you can go and get an endless source of stuff to talk about. They do a good job. They're underrated in these interviews. You think so? Well, look, not underrated. This podcast is fucking huge, but I can't remember anybody else getting to the center of how Dremont felt in that moment. They get you to talk about things that you're sort of known for in a really raw and real, because it's like a bunch of bros talking.

Yeah, but it's different from the shop. I don't know what it is. I think Ryan is a very good interviewer. I think having three men, former athletes, create this space that feels familiar to a lot of these athletes that come on the show where people just almost forget that they're at a podcast setting and feel like that they're talking to a family member. That's what they get. But I also think that they do really good research and the way that they pose the questions just breaks things down in the way. People are like, all right. I also think Jermon is an appointment in his life where he was ready to talk about it.

The shop has always been a quality show, but I do feel like the presence of LeBron James kind of weighs heavy on the conversations that are had on the shop because it's just such a big deal to be in there with LeBron James and all of these famous people in one room. If you got one famous person and three other guys that are well known for having a podcast or their careers like Fred and Channing and Ryan, you get a different conversation than you would

if it was Draymond Green, Sabrina Carpenter fucking Barack Obama you know what I mean? It's like it's the shop kind of it's it's a conversation between famous people and the pivot not to compare these to

one another is like one person like talking to the bros it feels like so you get different types of saturation to me. So you know it's a it is what is we got to talk about it. A lot of stuff in the show today. Historic upset in New York City,

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involve significant risk and may not be suitable for all investors. Manage your activity with our consumer protection tool. Restrictions apply. See terms at fanduil.com slash predict slash bonus offer dash terms. We have to talk about what's happening in this diddy trial because I saw Rachel, I don't know if you've seen them. Maybe they had them in El-Pari. headlines everywhere about parts of the case that the government has dropped and moved on from and I am not sure what is happening what she's doing over there

doesn't know that she's on, she's doing something with her hair she knows she's on leave her alone she knows she's fixing her earrings she's fixing her earrings she can't hear we can't hear leave all this here you're muted yeah you're muted she doesn't know how to be TV she's never been on television before.

She's, look, look at her. She's trying to figure it out. You're muted. There you go. Are you good? Oh, wow. Wow, look at that. Shut up, man.

Wow. Why have you got a scar? Wow, look at that. It's a nonstop thing. Welcome to my world. Let's get into it. Wait, wait. I just heard you talk about the prosecution

finning out their allegations. That's not sure. They actually made your argument. So there's no point in bringing that up. Oh, well, then let's, do this. No, no, no, we should talk about it because I feel like most people saw the headline and they're like, oh, did he's getting off? Oh, they can't prove their case. Okay. So what happened? God damn it. What's happening with this interview? So, so, so what,

happened? I saw, this is something that I saw over on Baller Alert. And this was the, this was, shout out to Robin from over there at Baller Alert. I always, uh, I always, fuck with Robin. This is what I saw. I'm going to read you a headline and then you tell me how true this headline is. All right. It's Diddy related. It says, feds drop kidnapping,

arson, and sex trafficking aiding charges in Combs case as trial focus narrows. How true is that headline? Okay, it's not true. As we speak right now, prosecution has come back from lunch. They're resuming their closing arguments. They actually made those very same arguments that reports were saying that they dropped. They're making those arguments.

They were just trying to thin out the instructions that the judge gives to the jury in order to streamline these charges. They're trying to simplify it. So they didn't drop it because I'm literally seeing updates from the New York Times where they're making the argument for arson. they're making the arguments for kidnapping. What was the other thing that you said they allegedly dropped? Sex trafficking. Oh, that's the core in this case. So can you, because I think when people saw the headline, they saw arson and thought,

okay, it's gone without realizing that there's some underlying. It's not just arson. It's like conspiracy to commit. Like, can you break that down a little bit of what it is that they took away and what he's still, what they left in? So here's what I'm looking at from the New York Times of prosecution was aiming to streamline jury instructions by simplifying aspects of its legal theory surrounding kidnapping, which is still very much a part of their case. That includes the arson. That includes the sex trafficking is insane because that's the biggest part of the charges for Ditty. They're charging him with two counts of sex trafficking, one count for Cassie, one count for the other woman.

that testified in the pseudonym, Jane. So they wouldn't be able, they wouldn't drop that. That's the whole part of the racketeering conspiracy. So as far as the headlines saying that they drop it, that's not true. That's not true. They just made those arguments. So I don't know if I can explain that any better than what I just said. You're going to have to, and let me tell you why.

Okay. Because that notion was run with with such energy. that the way it was positioned was that the government had to come to a point where they had realized that they couldn't prove certain parts of their case on Diddy. And so they dropped those things. Then I saw other people going, well, just to let you guys know, the reason why Diddy was denied bail was because of these specific charges, charges of witness tampering because of sex trafficking. or so the overall takeaway that a lot of people tried to have was that the government held ditty for a year or six months or whatever it's been, however long he's been arrested

on charges that they then could not prove and then dropped those charges when the rubber met the road in the trial. Okay, well, part of that is not true. Actually, most of it. The reason why he wasn't awarded or given bail is because of actions he was taking in real time. Okay. Not because of sex trafficking.

He was actually trying to make calls to potential witnesses. So that showed right then and there to the judge per the prosecution that in this very moment, he is trying to deal in some witness tampering. So that was the large reason why. And the access that he has, the money, the fact that he has, the fact that he was. that he could be a flight risk. So not true. As far as why they made this assertion in this letter to the judge on how to instruct the jury

and why they said they were dropping arson and the kidnapping was probably because it was probably not proven as strongly as the other charges. The charges that that makes sense. So I can't explain what's in the process. prosecution's mind. It's very confusing. I agree. Because I read the same headlines. I read the same article that you did. But then I'm also reading what they're saying in their closing arguments, and they're including these same charges. They're talking about the kidnapping in three different instances. One with Dittie's former assistant Capricorne Clark, one with Cassie.

Two with Cassie, one with Capricor Clark. They're talking about the arson. They're talking about Cassie testifying that Diddy had threatened to blow up Kid Cuddy's car and then it happened. They're talking about it. So I'm just as confused. I cannot explain why they said what they did to the judge and why those headlines came out

saying that they eliminated these charges. I can't explain that. All I can say is they've included it. So what concerns, what makes me nervous now that they're doing their closing arguments then we know it's going to go to a jury. I believe last night they were arguing nonstop about

what the instructions would be that were given to the jury. I feel like that I read that that was yesterday. The fact that they are thinning out what the charges are and what's going to the jury, do you feel like there might be concerned that the jury may be very confused with all the things that are being presented to them? Jury instructions are confusing, period.

Like, period. There's a lot. Like, as lawyers, we know that. It's so detailed. Do are you worried that the jury may be confused when the case is handed to them today or tomorrow? So here's the thing. There's been seven weeks of testimony of evidence being thrown at this jury. I even got tired of this trial at some point.

So imagine what the jury is having to deal with sitting there and having to be attentive. So the most important part of a trial is the closing argument, if not. the most important next to the opening statements. So what a jury hears at first and what they hear last is when they remember. Okay. So yes, jury instructions are incredibly hard to read, especially as a jury who aren't lawyers. You go back into the jury room, the prosecution and the defense don't get to talk to the jury anymore. They have to solely rely on these instructions. So yes, does the prosecution who has the burden of proof in this case want to say? simplify the instructions to make sure that they get it. Sure, in their closing arguments,

are they going to connect the dots with the facts that was presented in the trial with the law? Yes. I think we're focused too much on the headlines. I'm telling you all, they included what was presented as thinning out this instruction. They've included this in their closing arguments. They've actually simplified it for them. I think they're doing a great job. Now, is there room for reasonable doubt to be raised on the part of the defense? Yes. Am I worried that the prosecution might fail to prove one or all of these charges? No.

From what I'm reading, they are simplifying the most complicated charge in this case, which is the racketeering. And if all want to go into that, we can. But I'm not concerned. I think what they're trying to do is simplify the instruction because they know that once they're done with their closing arguments, they no longer can speak directly to this jury. Wasn't the kidnapping and arson part of the predicate offenses that went into the racketeering charge? So I think a lot of people thought that if you drop those charges, that racketeering was out because you needed to prove those in order to get to the racketeering. So explain that for people.

So they've included transportation for the purposes of prostitution as one of the underlying. crimes called predicate acts. Tell people what that means. The transportation of for the purposes of prostitution. No, no, no, no. What a predicate act means. So in order to further a criminal enterprise. So what the prosecution is saying, that Ditty is the head of a criminal organization that he's conspired with his bodyguards, his employees, foot soldiers to commit crimes and to also cover them up for reputational purposes, right? So what they're saying is, what are those crimes? Well, here are the two, here are the crimes that we are saying this enterprise has committed and tried to cover up.

And we are only responsible for proving that Denny and his co-conspirators committed only two of those acts. So they've listed, so they've listed a number of predicate acts. Transportation for the purposes of prostitution. Sex trafficking, bribery, forced labor, drug-related offenses. So this idea that if they kicked the kidnapping, the arson, that the trap, the racketeering charges goes away, no, they don't listen long about their predicate acts. And they only have to prove that Ditty committed two of them. That's it.

Wow. Were you surprised, so the defense didn't call any witnesses. And for you, that might not be a surprise. But I think for the people who have been following this case, it was, okay, maybe we don't expect to hear from Ditty. But maybe there might be somebody. We've seen Diddy's character be trashed, and I'm not saying it's not deserving, but over and over and over again.

So maybe there might have been somebody who could speak about him in a different way. What are your takes on the fact that not only did Did he not testify, but there were no witnesses called by the defense, and they arrested and moved to closing arguments? I, as a criminal defense, turning, was not surprised. because in criminal cases, less is more. The truth just wasn't worth to squeeze in this case.

The defense deciding to not call any witnesses was a calculated risk. But the upside of not calling any witnesses is that they rely solely on the fact that the prosecution has burdened proof. They don't have to put up a shred of evidence that Diddy is innocent. They just have to hold the prosecution to their burden. So what they're doing is essentially telling the jury, we're not going to waste any more of your time. The prosecution has gone six weeks of presenting witnesses and entering documents into evidence. And they still, after they've rested their case in chief, has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that our client is guilty. So there's no need for us to put up any evidence.

Now, of course, it can also hurt them and that the jury can see them as not be able to. confident in their case, that there's not one person in this whole wide world that can speak on behalf of Diddy's innocence. However, you've got to understand that if they put up witnesses, then those witnesses, including Diddy, is opening up the scrutiny of the prosecution to poke holes in their evidence and cross-examination. Can you imagine Diddy taking the stand, for example, and having the prosecution cross-exam, it would be a done deal. The church, the jury. The jury would then be focused on what they liked any over whether the

prosecution actually proved their case. So I think they made the right decision. What they're saying is to the jury, we've made our case while we cross-examine the prosecution's witnesses. We got out our narrative. We don't need to put up one shred of evidence.

So it made sense to me. So we saw in the Tory Lane's case that Tory Lane's elected to not take the stand and tell his version of the story as it happened that night. And now there's a groundswell, movement, if you will, if people who are saying that Tori Lanes did not do this, whatever they're. Coming out with all of this stuff that's supposedly new evidence,

but it was all part of the discovery and the original trial, it's very interesting, like the kind of misdirection that's happening in that case. do you think that Diddy, electing to not testify and not defend himself, will hurt him in the court of public opinion with people who go,

hey, if someone had said that I had sex trafficked them or R-worded them or whatever, I would want to take the stand and say, no, this is how this happened and tell my side of the story. It might not be smart. legal strategy for him to take the stand, but for his reputation, don't you think that it matters?

Well, I think he's already lost in the court of public opinion once that video from the Intercontinental Hotel dropped. I think it's a done deal on the court of public opinion. I don't know if you know these niggas. You're right. I'm sorry, I would be less concerned about the court of public opinion and be more concerned with whether I go to prison for life. Right.

I would rather be, I would rather have my chances increase that I walk out in this courtroom and I'll deal with public court of opinion because like you said, there will be people who still support me. I wouldn't be concerned about it was him. I think he confirmed with his lawyers. He's asked directly by the judge, is this door decision? And he affirmed that it was. He knew that opening his mouth is not the best strategy for him to be set free. He feels as though, and I'm sure his attorney is due to. he's got a better chance at letting his attorneys speak for him than for him to get up there and expose himself to a prosecution that would annihilate him. And not only that, they would be getting a different bite of the apple. They're going to be presenting all the stuff that they presented in their case and cheap all over again, making him admit to bad facts or making him lie.

Either way, it helps prosecution. So I wouldn't be concerned about the court of the big of our reason. We're in the middle of closing arguments, right? Now, anything that you're seeing that's surprising, shocking, just an update with that, like, as we're closing this case out? Yeah. So I wrote some things down that I felt, well, really important that the prosecution is doing. So, of course, they opened up their closing argument with their steam that the defendant

used power, violence, and fear to get what he wanted. Then they refreshed the jury's memory of the two most violent accounts. of the trial. The 2016 beating of Cassie on video and then also showing pictures of Jane having wealth on her head. Images are strong and they're powerful and their last thing. So what they're doing is reading the prosecution or the prosecutor who's actually giving her closing is reading from a lecture, but she's also got a slideshow of evidence, pictures that will be ingrained in this jury's mind. They're taking notes.

They're very attentive. But they also, which is different from their case in chief, they're starting with the most complicated charge of racketeering. They're explaining it. And they're also naming individuals who they claim were co-conspirators. I mean from Christina Porum, they call KK, one of his bodyguards named DRock. They're being very, very specific as to what their actual roles were. how they actually helped

commit crimes and cover them up. So they're being very specific unlike what they were saying throughout trial. So they're really connecting the dots and also making it very clear to the jury that they're not arguing that every single freak off or hotel night was sex trafficking.

They're not saying that. They're saying what we're going to do is point to one specific instance of a freak off, a hotel session that we believe believe was sex trafficking. And if you believe that one of these nights was done out of force, out of coercion, then you find ditty guilty of sex trafficking. It makes it easier for the jury, because now, instead of having to figure out whether each and every single one of these freakoffs

was consensual, they're saying we're going to narrow this down to a couple of instances. and if you agree that one of them was coerced or that these women were compelled by force, threats, whatever the case may be by violence, then you find him guilty to sex trafficking. That is crucial in helping the jury figure this whole thing out because they've got information overload. This is a lot to have to deal with.

So for them to simplify this, very, very important for them. So I found that to be very effective. Not submission again in the slideshow of photos, of the bruises of the brutality, the violence, all of that, for the jury to remember when they go back in deliberation. When should we expect a verdict? Like next week, week, like what's going on? Like, how long do you do something?

So apparently both sides ask the judge four hours each. So, of course, I understand what the prosecution wanting to take that much time. They have the burden. They've presented all this evidence. So they're going to be doing their closing arguments today. The defense wants to start their closing arguments tomorrow when the jury is fresh.

So I'm thinking, you know, deliberations, of course, start on Monday. Will they take, you know, I'm always asked this question, and I have no idea. I know what I think, because I'm a lawyer, but I can also compartmentalize the law and the facts and all of that. For a jury, I'm not sure. But what the prosecution wants is for the jury to come back with as little notes as possible. because when they do that, that signals a mistrial. If they're confused, if they're asking questions over and over again, that we've got some sort of a hang-up on whatever charge,

that's not a good look for the prosecution. They do not want a mistrial? Do I think that they're going to get convictions on all five of these counts? No, but I definitely think he's getting convicted of something. If anything, the transportation for the purposes of the prostitution, super simple. They've proven that. I mean, it's pretty clear.

It's not ambiguous like the other ones. And as far as sex trafficking goes, I think that Cassie has probably the strongest case because Diddy controlled her career. She was 19. She was groomed for this. There's been chatter about this Jane individual who is doing things to get her rent paid. You know how people feel about that. So I think Cassie has the strongest sex trafficking count. But he's not walking away without a conviction.

I'm pretty sure about that. So. a conviction. Well, and maybe you're maybe not jail time. Prison time, I mean, we're looking at, even with the easiest charge to prove, we're looking at a maximum of 10 years. Wow.

Yeah. So he's probably going away for some time. But that's a win for him. If he gets convicted of the offense with the least exposure to prison, he's still going to get out at, you know, an older dude, but, I mean, he still has some life to live. But as far as the most serious crimes, I mean, we're looking at life in prison so he'd never get out.

But he's getting convicted of something. I mean, they're laying it out pretty clear. Now, I haven't obviously, you know, heard the defense is closing. But they have some wiggle room, too. They can raise some doubt. And it's, they're reasonable now is reasonable. They're going to say these women were not torts. They were a non-s.

They were consensual. There was text message is the star for the defense. It's their star evidence. They're going to read back and remind the jurors how enthusiastic these two women work in order to prove that there was no coercion. There was no force. But again, the prosecution gets a rebuttal closing. They get to rebut anything that the defense says in their closing.

And they can always remind the jury that just because they consented early on, does it negate the fact that they were coerced later, that there wasn't a crime done later? So I think people get that confused. feel like once you consent, then there's no, there's no room to not consent, to not give consent. People change their minds. And so the prosecution just needs to simplify that, remind the jury of that. But it's anybody's game at this point. So I think the defense has some good arguments to make.

And the prosecution, I think, is connecting the dots really well for this jury so far. Where do you want people to come find you and watch you do all the stuff that you do and, you know, talk about different legal stuff? And let me tell you something. I've been, I thought about you. I want to do a whole episode with you or a whole segment about how we can help people get away with crimes. And let me tell you what I mean. Oh, God. Because I'm back on my interrogation video trip.

I just keep getting pulled back in, right? Yeah. I just have a overall message for people. Don't kill nobody. And let me tell you why you shouldn't. Obviously it's wrong. Thank you. Okay.

Can we start there? I mean, obvious, yes. See what I'm saying? You need to hear me out before you jump. I was hoping. But go ahead. You're just picking the most extreme offense. But what I'm saying is that people aren't good at any of it.

They make such dumb mistakes. I agree. And the police got them in these rooms. And the polis are like, hey, have you seen Karen? and they go, oh, I haven't seen her. And the police go, well, it's interesting because this is a real interrogation video. It's interesting

that you haven't seen her because we found her head in your basement. So how do you explain that? It's a lot. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so people don't turn their phones off. They're going places and the cops are like, hey, just let you know that all of your deleted

text messages, all of the stuff, your phone is still talking to the tower. We know where you were. They're making the same mistakes in every video, and I'll be honest with you, it's annoying me. I want to see one master criminal have... No. I do. It's not, it's, you may have a criminal that gets away with it for decades, but they're eventually getting, you know, caught. And here, you know, what you were saying kind of resonated with me. Because when I was a prosecutor, of course, I have to say this, I didn't feel for defendants who were involved in crimes where

victims were involved. But it was those other crimes. right, like DWY and like petty theft and from a big store, for example. And I felt bad for the defendant. I felt like, man, if only they knew not to do this, it would be harder for me to convict them. So when you said something about, okay, I want to show or teach people how to commit crimes and get away with them, I'm not with you on that 100%. But I will say people don't utilize their rights because they don't know any better, right? they just knew that when they go in an interrogation room, that they can request the lawyer and the conversation has been. It's done. It's done.

If they just only knew or understood that when a police officer on the side of the road is asking you a question, then that, for example, if you're getting pulled over for possibly being intoxicated, and they go, hey, can you perform some standardized fuel sobriety tests? That question means that you can refuse. it's not mandatory. You feel as though it is because he's a cop asking you a question. But no, you have every...

You may feel like you can do it. No, you are going to jail no matter how you perform on these tests. I'll do you one better. Terry V. Ohio says that unless there's reasonable articulant suspicion of a crime, I don't have to identify myself

even when you ask me for identification. I cannot believe... Right. 101. I cannot believe. Excuse me. Excuse me. That's a thing.

I'm impressed. People don't know it. I'm impressed. Reasonable, articulate suspicion of a crime. And if you don't have it, you can't just, I can't just be walking down the street. And you're, hey, show me your ID. No. What was I doing?

And I'm not going to show it to you either. I know. I'm learning stuff. I love that, man. You're going to end up being one of those people. Who are those people who are like, I'm not a citizen? Sovereign citizens. is,

no, no, Rachel, no, no, no, do you know I prosecute, I prosecuted someone like that. They were on this, they took the stand

and they were asking themselves questions and answering. I had to go, I had to sit through that for hours. It was the most painful. It's so, it's so, that's vain.

Yeah. We're going to bring you back for a whole, we're going to bring you back for a whole series. I'm just going to give you one issue. and we're going to call it Yody's way out. Don't let it to murder. Yody's way out. Oh, I love that. I love that. I don't be down. Yod's way out.

Nothing where nobody got fucked over because some of these things are really, really, really gnarly that I watch. But Yot's way out. How do we get out of this situation when the cops are overstepping a little bit your way out? Come on, man. You know, you got to come on. You know what I want to do as a prosecutor. And they're like, you can't, you can't.

O'Pie. I wanted to write a blog and be like, hey, here's how not to help me prosecute you. And it was like, no, you want to lose your job? Yeah. Yeah. No. Now you're not, now you're not on their side. No more. You're with us. All right. Thank you.

That's Joddy to Woldy. We'll see what happens with Diddy. We'll bring you back on after we get averted, just kind of give us the balls and strikes on how things went. But we appreciate you join us on higher learning. Thank you very much. Thank you, guys. Appreciate you all. Thank you.

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The Toronto Raptor selected South Carolina Game Cock Colin Murray Boyles, the ninth overall pick. But it did look like Boyles wasn't happy when they announced his name. He like stood up and like shook his head and could read his lips and he said, fuck. He spoke to Toronto media

afterwards and kind of cleared it up. Let's hear. Hi, Colin. Michael Grange from Sports. Not just your initial reaction on the pick. I think the cameras kind of caught you sort of saying a word and just wondering what the context of that was and how are you feeling about coming to Toronto? Just disbelief, you know.

Toronto was probably my first team that I worked out for. But that, what I said was not a bad thing by any means. Just very thankful for it. That was like a surreal moment, like to hear my name called and by this organization that has a good history and have really good players as of right now. It was just a crazy moment. I obviously thankful for the opportunity that they give me

and taking it full on, I'm ready to do whatever it needs or whatever they need me to do. All right, so he's saying the right things. He's not the only one who seemed to possibly be disappointed. The Utah Jazz picked Ace Bailey. And he also, he looked like was about to cry when they picked his name.

And he had refused workouts, and we, I think it was reported that he had preferred destinations, including Washington, New Orleans, and Brooklyn. Utah was not on that list. What are y'all thoughts on these players getting picked to places that it looks like they didn't want to go?

Well, in the case of Ace, I don't know if you guys have been following the Ace Bailey saga, but Ace had made it known that he didn't want to go to a bunch of places, wasn't working out for places. I think what Ace Bailey did was actually kind of smart. There were all of these, let's tell you what I mean. There were all of these negatives surrounding Ace. He was listed at 610 when he was playing at Ruggers.

He measured without shoes, which they measure you without shoes at the Combine, but your official height listed in NBA programs and your official listed height is with shoes. His height without shoes was like 6, 7 and a half, which means that Ace Bailey is actually more like 6'8. So when people were looking at him as sort of a unicorn score from Rutgers, the fact that he was a lot shorter than what he was listed at in college. And then also the fact that Rutgers had both Dylan Harper and Ace Bailey. These are two top five picks and they did not make the NCAA tournament would have been something that a lot of people would have talked about about the makeup of his game. But that's actually not what they were talking about. Ace Bailey got a narrative win for making people talk about his conduct in the pre-draft process and not what actual basketball, what actually, or actually, should I say, what kind of basketball player that he actually is.

And so in a draft that had what a lot of people think is a generational talent in Cooper Flagg, I'm not sure that I agree with that, but a lot of people think that it's true. Ace Bailey was actually able to get a narrative win and become one of the most talked about players in the draft and I think that was somewhat purposeful by him and his team. Okay, but do you think that it's, the reason I made a face when you said it, I just, I hate, this is going to sound bad when I say it this way, like you should be grateful.

But do I think it's smart for players to say where they are absolutely don't want to go when getting drafted with the number five pick is a huge deal? And obviously you don't have to stay with this team forever. We see basketball players move around all the time. I think it's, and maybe I'm being a little conservative with this, but I just think it's like a little tacky. Shut the fuck off. I just think it's a little tacky to be in a little bit, I don't know, there's an ego in it to be telling people, you're not even in the NBA,

you've not played professional basketball anyway, and you're already telling teams where you don't want to go. I just don't like to see it. I mean, I can understand what you're saying, like a lot of people feel the exact same way that you do. It doesn't bother me because I know that behind the scenes, they're doing this so much. behind the scenes, even sometimes when players work out for teams, they go, hey, just let you know, this is not my preferred destination.

I don't want you guys to draft me. People's parents get involved. The whole nine, it's a thing not just in the NBA, but like also in the NFL. You've seen some huge, huge instances in the NFL of players being like straight up, I don't want to go to this place. I don't want to play in this place. John Elway, Eli Manning, whatever. It happens. Like it happens, right?

So the Ace Bailey thing is one thing. I think he actually kind of pulled a fast one on everyone with the way that he was acting in his pre-draft assessment. The Colin Murray-Boyne Boyle's thing was very interesting to me because, Donnie, do me a favor. Look up how old Colin Murray-Boyles is. 20. He's 20. Okay. I think that Colin Murray-Boyles doesn't know what's in store for him in Toronto yet.

Okay. Because I think that Toronto doesn't get credit for one thing. Toronto is a batty hub. Okay. Oh. I'm sorry. If, if I think that when...

Because that's his focus. That's what he should be focused on. He's a 20-year-old man. I'm just, I said focus. I didn't say concern. I didn't say that he won't appreciate it. I said his focus. God damn it.

This is what I, who said, it was going to be his whole focus. No one said that. What I said was that it is something that a lot of people don't know about Toronto. People think Miami. People think L.A. People think New York where the women are beautiful, but they walk right past you.

Get out of my way. But like it, Toronto is a batty hub. Donnie, I sent you a video. Do you, this is a video because I looked for a video that would like prove that Toronto had baddies. I want to play anything from Carabana because, you know, LeBron

might get some flashbacks or something like that. But I want to, I wanted to, Donnie, put this video in right now of dapping up Tins at McMaster's University. Now look, I'm 45 years old. I'm not looking at the young girls at McMaster's University. But if I was, let's say I was in my unc mode or this was my, like, look what we got going on here, Colin. All right, you got every flavor.

You got everything in Toronto. there is you got a little Caribbean, you got the little Asian persuasion, you got a little bit of everything. Look at what's going on here. You got a little bit of everything there. Brother, plus with the tax situation, Toronto is a good draft destination.

He will enjoy it there. So I think when he gets there, he's going to be cool with it. Is it cold? Yeah. But it's also hot, real hot. That's all I'm saying. Oh, God.

All right. Well, hopefully he's listening to this. helped him think outside the box, the basketball box, because none of that has to do with it. Think outside. No. It's not about thinking outside the box. It's about thinking of the, okay. Okay.

Donnie? Yeah, exactly, Donnie. Exactly, Donnie. It's funny, guys, we're having fun. Yeah, that was good. Play all words. You also mentioned it's hot. Chuck Sumer was hospitalized for dehydration.

Don, that's inappropriate. It is. He's fine. He's okay. He was feeling lightheaded while at the gym. He was hospitalized for a little bit, but right back at work. It's just the timing of it because the Democrats have a lot on the table right now. They're going through working on trying to tear down as much as they can of the GOP's tax and spending cut bill. And then there's the whole White House intelligence sharing intel leaking situation that's happening right now that is an ongoing news story.

So, yeah, but Chuck Schumer is fine right now. It's just, it's hot. Very. You know, I want, I'm glad he's okay, too. I wanted to come on here and make funny jokes about Chuck Schumer, but then I had to realize that I passed out in the office at TMZ when I was 36 years old. These are the stories we want to hear. Why?

Why? So, by the way, this is me legitimately in the best shape of my life. I'm talking about this is Van at his most controlled. I'm probably at that time about 200, about 6'4, about 225. I'm playing basketball all the time. Muscles thin, nice, everything is good. One day I get up from my desk and I'm walking and I go, oh shit. And that literally hit me like, I can't take another step.

And I passed out. I fell. Like, like, I need to play my play. from what you can remember. So this is what happens. I'm sitting on my desk and I feel a feeling. Like what the fuck is, what is that?

And I get, and I get dizzy. And there's a dissonist at my desk. And I don't know why. I go, oh, I need to stand up and walk to regain whatever. So I stand up and I walk and I take like five steps and boom.

I hit the side of, yep, I hit the side of the wall and then I fall into the room where they're feeding out the show. And Ryan Reagan... It was on live TV. It wasn't on live TV. You might have been able...

I can't remember what time it was. You might have been able to see... No, no, no, we were feeding the show out, the morning show. Okay, okay. Maybe you could have seen it if you were looking in the background of TMZ Live. I'm not sure. But I fall into the room, and Ryan Reagan, who's a great guy, cool guy, he was the executive producer of TMZ Life.

I'm on the ground and he's like, because I play so much, he was like, is this serious? And I'm on the ground like, what the fuck is going on? So I go to the hospital. Get checked out,

fine. Everything is cool. I come back the next day. It happens again. No. Yeah. It happens again. I was gone for TMZ

from TMZ for an entire month. And I had a full workup. I had neurological testing. I had. types of testing, everything. And I'd be honest with you, they were so good to me. Like Harvey was good to you. Harvey was checking in, sending me to the doctor.

He was like referring me to different neurologists and sending dinner to the house and the whole nine. Nobody knew what was wrong with me. But it was anxiety. Like it was anxiety. Yeah. That's what they told you. Or were they just like, we can't figure out what it is?

I had the entire battery of tests, everything. I went to see, I went to see like a, what do you call her? She was a therapeutic yogi, which was one of the best experiences of my life. And so I had tried all of this stuff. And one of my doctors was like, what do you say we put you on a little Lexerpro? And just see what it does. and it the Lexa Pro

like it takes a while to get in your system but almost right away it started to work anyway so I can't get on Chuck Schumer because I was 36 TNZ was the cause probably anxiety was from the job probably but then it got to a point

where they got antsy and then I had to go back they were like hey man a month is a long time I was gone for a month I was gone for a month I couldn't that's pretty amazing they gave you a month off I saw an internist I saw every type of doctor that you could see. I was like, man, maybe it's

ALS. You know. Such a hypochondriac. Such a hypercontriac. Not once to by my ALS. I thought I didn't know what was going on. Donnie, move on.

Let's let's keep. Let's do it. Such a hypercontract. Okay. She's got an anxiety disorder. Rachel, have some compassion. Okay. I'm glad you're okay, too.

Yeah. Yeah, I am too. we're glad to have you safe and healthy. Don't fucking patronize me, Donnie. It was genuine. Don't fucking patronize me. It was scary. It was scary, guys.

Of course it was. I had a panic attack at the, because the panic attack started to come back. I had a panic attack on the way to the, whatever. Go ahead. Go ahead. Get to the next quick hitter. These are not so quick. Yeah. This next one.

I think you will like because it is about your favorite word, Daddy. Oh. Yeah, there we go. You didn't say it. Didn't have to. You said it. Damn it. All right.

NATO Secretary General Mark Ruda, surprise reporters Wednesday when he referred to Trump as daddy. Let's hear Mark. I mean, we may do papers on it, Marco. Maybe we're going to do papers. I don't even know if you need them. They're not going to be fighting each other. They've had it. They've had a big fight like two kids in a school yard.

You know, they fight like hell. You can't stop them. Let them fight. for about two, three minutes, then it's easier to stop up. And then daddy has to sometimes use strong language. Yeah, he has to use a certain word. So then Mark was asked about that, and this was his response to that question. From Sky News, the language that you have used when talking to Donald Trump has been notable

because of its flattery. Today you called him daddy. You sent a text message to him that was gushing with praise. Is this the way that you feel you have to act when doing business with the US President through flattery and praise? Isn't it a bit demeaning and doesn't it make you look weak? No, I don't think so. I think it's a bit of a question of taste, but I think he's a good friend. And when he is doing stuff which is forcing us to, for example, when it comes to making more investments, would you ever think that this would be the result of this summit if he would not have been elected president?

President, do you really think that the seven or eight countries who said, yeah, somewhere in the 2030s we might meet the 2%? We've now all decided the last four or five months to get to 2%. So doesn't he deserve some grace? All right. And then Trump finally was asked about it. And then this is his response. Hello.

Deborah Haynes from Sky News. Mark Rutter, the NATO chief, who is your friend. He called you daddy earlier. Do you regard your NATO allies as kind of children? No, he likes me. I think he likes me. If he doesn't, I'll let you know. I'll come back and I'll hit him hard, okay?

He did. He did it very affectionate. Daddy, you're my daddy. You love this. I do. Go ahead. No, I want to hear what you think about this. No, I actually don't think it's that big of a deal.

Really? This daddy is nothing compared to the daddies of the past. Daddy's back. Mm-hmm. Congressman Byron Donald's. I think Lauren Bobert tweeted or said something about daddy being home. Charlie Kirk has said dad is home. There have been other people who are Trump supporters who love the, I guess they're saying it in an affectionate way. I don't know. I hate it. But the daddy use has been much worse than this. To be honest, I think that this guy, Ruda, was trying to be funny.

and I think that his joke got lost in translation. Oh, so you don't think this was like as daddy is something. I actually really don't. Okay, cool. It's the dad, like if there was a daddy meter, daddy o meter, this will be at the bottom. Because Byron Donald's is a 10. Byron Donald's is 10 for sure. You know, for me, it's interesting to me in the context of how masculinity is used as a weapon between these two different political sides, right?

Like the guys on the left are always seen as wet noodles or, you know, leaves blowing in the wind. They're whatever, you know, however you want to describe what you would consider to be some sort of gendered weakness. But in order to be a figure on the right, a part of Donald Trump's movement, you've got to be a wimp. They're wimps. I was looking for the right word and Kalika said it uh it

wimp they're wimps they're wimpy you know what it is like okay when Smokey said Debo said

tell me to shut up I stop talking when he leave I'll be talking again I got mind control over Debo you know when he said that it's funny because that's Smokey being wimpy

And the guys on the right that think whatever Donald Trump says is true because he said it, that have this blind allegiance to whatever he does because he does it, you're a wimp. It's a party of wimps. And I don't have anything in common politically with Thomas Massey or Rand Paul

or some of these other guys that, have the temerity to stand up to Trump every now and again. But at least they're not whips, though. At least they don't just go along with everything that somebody says just because they said it. And for some reason, like, I got to respect that. I got to be honest with you.

Y'all going to not, y'all not going to like this. Y'all going to get pissed off. I got to respect Candace Owens. Oh, okay. So here, so this is, okay. I, I, I do you remember when we used to talk about Liz Chaney?

Yeah. And we used to always be like, talk about Liz Cheney, and obviously she stood up in a way that nobody else was, right? Like, things are so extreme right now that you're having a Rand Paul that you would have never seen the day actually standing up to the things that Trump is doing. He's a libertarian, so he always walks by his kind of his own. But yes, but he's still been very pro-Trump. Things are so.

Yes. things have been so bad. Things have been so bad, like in an extreme way that you're seeing more people take a path, a different path, right, where they're actually calling it out. When Liz Cheney was doing it and nobody else was and they run her out of office, and there always used to be the whole thing of what Liz Cheney is doing is great, but we're not going to forget how you used to vote. And we're not when you were in Congress and we're not going to get how you supported Donald Trump. We're not going to. We're not going to. to forget those things. So yes, we're going to give you credit for saying the things that you say, but I'm always going to remember you're part of the reason that this situation exists. So when I hear Candace Owens, I'm never going to give Candace Owens anything. Because to speak specifically about you saying we're not going to like about Candace Owens, I can't believe anything Candice Owens says because she is such a grifter. Nothing, to me, nothing she says is rooted in exactly how she feel.

know what she believes because she, like at least I can say with a person who's cultish in MAGA that like they die hard and they stand with MAGA whether I agree. Obviously, I don't agree with them, but I don't agree with them, right? Candace Owens has flipped flop so much that I don't believe anything that she says. I think that she says things for the sake of this moment right here. We're talking about it. It's a headline. I cringe every time I see somebody put a headline about how Candace Owens is calling out Donald Trump. Is everybody fucking kidding me?

The way that she, damn near was calling him daddy and all the actions that she was doing. And now she wants to stand. I feel like it is because they know if Candace Owens goes against him, because she used to be so for him, then it gives her the attention that she needs. Let's be honest.

She's not with Ben Shapiro anymore. Trump did not bring her along. This go around with this. this administration, she needs views, clicks, subscribers, attention on her. I don't believe anything this woman is about. So I'm not giving her anything. So let's kind of split this apart a little bit and let's be issue specific. And let me tell you why that's important in this particular situation.

So I've been very critical and will continue to be critical about all of the people that be very specific. if you say right now like Joe Rogan has said like Theo Vaughn has said like some of the other people have said right if you are if you say hey I don't believe that people should be pulled

from playgrounds or home depots or places like that and then round it up and sent to a gulag that's wrong my question for those people is that the question is, well, where did you think he was going to get 10 million people from?

Like, if you were at all paying attention to him, if you were at all paying attention to him, then he was saying, he was saying that what he was going to do was deport 10 million people. And he was saying he was going to start with criminals. But then it wasn't going to be all criminals. And if anybody,

wants to hear proof of that. Plenty of clips of Donald Trump saying how he was going to run his immigration policy. Plenty of clips. Now, if you didn't think that it was going to get as gnarly as what it was going to get, well, that's on you. But he said, I'm going to deport 10 million people. You weren't going to deport 10 million criminals. You weren't giving him credit for what he said.

And then when it happened, you doubled back and went, oh my God, this is so terrible. I will make a distinction here when it comes to Candace Owens because Trump ran on an anti-war platform. He said, I was going to be a president of peace.

He ran on a pro-free speech platform. He said, I'm the kind of guy that lets everybody say whatever they want to say. Then he said these things very definitively. Then a couple of things happened. He got $100 million from Miriam Adelson. He appointed all of these people that were hawkish in terms of Israel Gaza into his administration. Put my Huckabee where he is, all of this stuff. He legitimately said he was going to do one thing and then did a completely different thing,

right? So not just with the Israel. Gaza and the bombing Iran and all of that, but also with the free speech stuff, which she's also talked about. So when I say I have to give her credit, I'm giving her credit for not going along with his flip-flop in the moment. And anybody who does that,

anybody that says, you know what? Because there are a whole bunch of people that I don't agree with politically that on a bunch of different things that go, you know what? Dead kids too much for me. Now, there are other arguments out there. There are people that say the only reason why Candace Owens cares about this is because she is deep down and anti-Semite and she hates Jewish people.

So she hates the state of Israel by proxy. And so that's the reason why she just goes, no, I'm not into this. The only problem with that argument for me is that's what they say about everyone who has a problem with the Israeli government. So it's not basically like honed in or specific, should I say, to her. It's not specific to her.

They say that basically about everyone, right? And if I'm being real, I'm certainly not trying to create space for Candace Owens because she's been very anti-black and very toxic, okay? But she's not at the, the Daily Wire anymore because she was critical of Israel.

So it's not like she left the Daily Wire and then got on this. She was on the Daily Wire and she was critical of Israel and the way that the war was being prosecuted. And you could have even said then, well, she's only being critical of Israel

because Joe Biden is president and she wants to make him look bad. But I have to give her some credit for carrying that criticism into the Trump administration, being directly critical of Donald Trump on free speech, being directly critical of Donald Trump on Israel and Gaza and the bombing of Iran and starting foreign wars, being directly critical on them and having to really, to be honest with you, bigger balls than so many of the hyper-masculine males, the men that are on his side.

Bigger balls than Charlie Kurt, bigger balls than Glenn Beck, bigger balls than everybody that's fallen in line when they were supposedly bigger balls than Tucker Carlson, who did that entire interview with Ted Cruz and then called Donald Trump and apologized to him. So he did. And so to me, look, my opinion on Candace and her politics hasn't changed. but in a world where like children are dying, like starving, being shot while they're going to wait for aid, anybody that goes, hey, I don't give a fuck who's in the White House, this is wrong and we shouldn't be supporting it. I got to at least be like, there you have it.

Yeah. I, even if everything that you're saying is true and it may be, You're not I don't completely disagree with you For me, I can't get past the thought of If Trump had called her phone And let her be a part of this go around I don't think that she would be in the space

She's in. Interesting. I just don't. I just don't. But, you know, we'll never know. We'll never know. Right. All right, what else we got?

We spent too much time on that. Let's get to some of these other little topics. You want to talk about What happened in New York? I feel like you predicted this You started talking about Zoram Mam Dami Doni

Zoran Mondani What the name Did you know I did not know he was born in Uganda And his middle name was Kwame Kami His dad came over And started demonstrating the snake

The more I read about him The more obviously he's been involved in local New York politics for some years now, but the more I read about him, the more I'm like, I'm with it. Let me ask you this, because you obviously brought it to my attention first. Do you think that Cuomo really had a chance to win this? Okay, I'm just saying he is so disgraced. There was the video that came out with the women showing their faces

who were saying specifically the things that he had done when he sexually, harassed and or assaulted them. He obviously misused finances as governor. Like there's so many negative things that it felt like such a joke. And I know he's a part of the old regime. And I know that obviously it's the Cuomo name. But he on the outside looking into me seems so disgraced. And I know Mom Donnie is progressive and a candidate like they've never

had before, I mean, not just a candidate anymore. But I just didn't really think Cuomo stood a chance. Well, Mondani still is a candidate. The general election still has to happen. Yes, yes, yes. The general, you know what I mean. I guess in defeating. You never thought Cuomo stood a chance.

Cuomo was going to win. Until. Until somebody ran a campaign that was focused on people and not on politics. And I'm not trying to take away from

Moncdoni, by the way. I just, I really am not. But go ahead. So there's a video that everybody is circulating right now. We can talk about everything. By the way, all you landlord lovers in the higher learning, Reddit, all you landlord lovers,

all you guys that love the landlords of the world, what a fucking bad day for you guys, right? What a bad day for you landlord-lover. A guy who ran on a rent freeze, who ran on housing justice and housing rights, just won the primary, the Democratic primary. And now it's going to face a weakened Eric Adams. We talk about disgraced. Cuomo had been disgraced. Eric Adams is about to get a Zeus network show any day now.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. So it's, you know, so bad day for you guys, you landlord lovers out there. Such a misconception But look There's a video out there that is indicative Of why I feel like Mondani won

Mammani won It is Even Matt Gates Had to be like It's while the entire right has a freak out Over Mamdani and says hey

We're one step from Sharia law And the racism is on full display. Yeah. Full display. But there's a video of him, and it's a very simple message. And the message is about how wealth and grift is fucking the average New Yorker. He goes to a bunch of halal trucks.

I'm sure people have seen this now. And the halal chicken over rice in New York is $10 now. And he's like, when you want it to be $8, would you rather it be $8 or $10? He asked a bunch of people around New York this question. And they go, of course, we would rather it be $8 because $2 is a lot, is a lot of money for people who are, you know, eating on the run, whatever, whatever. It's $2, you want to save $2.

Well, he goes around and he talks to the halal truck drivers or the owners or whatever, the people, the proprietors. It turns out that the reason why it's $10 is because they, they have to pay sometimes $20,000 or $25,000 to a permit owner to be able to put their halal carts where they are, their carts, not trucks, to be able to put their carts where they are. They have to pay like $20,000 a year. Everybody had different prices, but some guys, it was like $17,000,

some guys it was $20,000, some guys it was $25,000, right? and they have to pay those people, those fees to use their permits because they can't get a permit of their own. For them to get a permit, it would be something like, I don't know, it's a much less

a dollar amount, like a thousand bucks, $2,000, whatever, for them to have their own permit where they could save all of that money. But the backlog in the New York bureaucracy or whatever is going on, is such that they can't get the permits that they need.

So they have to pay exorbitant permit fees to people who do have permits, which makes your halal $2 more expensive. And he goes around and he goes, these are the things that I am going to do to make it easier for these guys to get permits of their own so that they can then pass on the savings of that to you. Now, there is no guarantee

that if their shit is cheaper, that your shit will be cheaper. However, then you've reoriented the conversation around them price gouging you and not them having to navigate through the red tape of a failing New York governmental system to have to charge you more for something because they have to pay so much for it. Those types of messages resonate with people.

Those types of messages where someone is saying, look at who has to be rich for your life to be $2 harder. Sure. Like, look at what, look who, there are so many billionaires in New York, so many people in New York. Look what they're getting for your shit to just be a little bit more inefficient.

Your life doesn't have to be as hard as it is as long as somebody is thinking about making your life easier. Because you're paying. You're working. We're not talking about people who aren't getting something for nothing. We're talking about people who are working. We're talking about people who are walking around who are working. We're talking about people who are contributing to New York but aren't seeing it so that some hyper wealthy person somewhere can enjoy the fruit. of really their labor.

And he spoke directly to that, and people listened. He also did not get bogged down in identity. He never ran away from who he was. His mom directed Mississippi Mississaile, by the way. He didn't get bogged down to any of that stuff. They tried to get them on Israel. Like all the other people that ended up debating there, like, you know, where we're going to do?

Like, what is the first place you're going to go after you get, you get elected? goes, everybody else goes, I'm going to take a trip to Israel. And Zoran goes, hey, I'm going to stay here and deal with the problems that are in New York. Because although New York has a gigantic Jewish population, I think I'm more served as a mayor, making sure the Jewish constituents that I have here are safe from rising anti-Semitism and that I foster a good relationship with them than going to a foreign country. So he's a brilliant speaker. He is.

He is an expert campaigner ran a flawless campaign, but more than any of that, he grabbed the Democratic establishment by the nuts and pulled and went, guys, look at what we can do. If we dare to get younger, if we dare to get more energetic, if we dare to get more ambitious about people and not about rubbing oil on each other's backs, that we can get a tan.

And this is a shot across the ball at Schumer, at Jeffreys, at Clyburn, at Clinton, Clinton, who jumped back on, like, and talked to basically endorse the Mandani after this. At all the old-school Democrats who seem to be more concerned with their twilight years

than your golden and silver years. All of the people that seem to be more concerned about how they finish their life than how you are living your life, this shows that we're ready for something new. And I think it's a very important

moment. I was thrilled that he won, and won big. We have to have a conversation about the black vote. But and one big, he did better with black people than they thought it was going to do, but black people still went for Cuomo overwhelmingly. I'm not sure why. But this was a big moment to me.

Big moment. No, it was a huge moment. And that's why I said, I'm not trying to take anything away from him. I just, I thought people were, I knew that he had, the Cuomo had been divorced, almost a divorce endorsed by Bill Clinton, but I just thought that there was this disgust of him that, and again, not to take away from what Mom Donnie was doing, I just thought that that was an overriding thought as well, in addition to how great that he is. But I was excited by it because something we talk about constantly on this podcast is, frustrated with the old establishment that people keep reciting the same talking points and they just

seem to not want to, they keep saying they're listening to you, they're hearing you, they're not listening to you, they're not taking your concerns and actually figuring out ways and systems to fix those concerns. They're just saying, they're saying out loud that these are the things that they support, but they're not doing anything with it. So to see somebody who's actually has a plan of what they want to do and then it's how they want to do it. These are my issues or this is my,

these are my plan and this is how I want to execute it. It's really exciting. And I hope that it's not just something that we're seeing in New York. I hope that it speaks to what more people want to see happen in this country. I mean, that's how MAGA started, right? People love Donald Trump because he challenged the system and they felt like he was listening to them

and wanted to, you know, address their needs. Well, sounds like it's shifting. Rent stabilization. Up for that, by the way. Rent, yeah. Rent for stabilized apartments would be frozen. Buses would be free. Taxes on the wealthy would rise

and the cost of child care would fall to zero. $30 minimum wage. All my dony stuff. It can win, guys. It can win. I know we, we, we, we, we, we, love our capitalism and we're what's going to happen in New York

if the billionaires leave and what's going to happen if New York loses all of those guys. Those guys aren't going anywhere. Those guys want to go to Tatiana. I mean, they want to. Those guys aren't going anywhere. And maybe if they do leave, maybe New York will be for New Yorkers again.

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information. Okay. Let's talk about Draymond. We got just a couple more things we got to talk about Dramea. Rachel. Donnie, come on. Yeah, we tease this. He was the pivot podcast, and he spoke about that one time he punched his teammate Jordan Pool in the face.

But there could be a day that y'all ain't getting alone. Y'all going to throw hands. You're going to dapp up afterwards. We're going to move on. Absolutely. Right. But then when the Jordan Pool situation happens, you're in a different world. And so now everything I've always been, everything I've always known is different today. Age 33, 34, 35, I still learn those lessons. That situation happened. I'm like, all right, cool, we move on. And then when we couldn't, I was like, huh? And for a while it made me think like,

man, this dude, nothing like me. Like, because when those things happen, you just move on. But it taught me so much, because it taught me, you're right, he may not be like you. He ain't from where you're from. The things you went through,

the way you had to come up, he may not have came up like that. So for that five seconds, I forgot where I was at. Because I immediately went to what I know. But what you know don't really work here. And everybody says, oh, man, but you was 10 years in, you should know better. Still learning, nine years in. But it's them lessons like that that ultimately make me who I am to this day.

Because, man, I fucked that up. What up? Why is that funny of you? You feel like he's trolling him? No. That's fucking hysterical. I'm sorry. There's something.

The first part. I should call Ian again and allow Ian. He golfed him in his job. Baton Rouge, the nigga golfed you in your jaw. There's one thing you get punched in your shit, right? Because you got a chance. But you get golfed.

I got golfed that nigga in his jaw. He got, Jordan Pookew got golfed in his jaw. Gough, bang. Right? Draylon Green is from Saginaw, Michigan. And I was going to bring on somebody from Saginaw. By the way, Michigan guys, it's so cold up there. They tough as shit, right?

It's true. It's facts. I was going to bring on somebody from Saginaw. I was trying to look for someone. Then I realized that Donnie is a Michigandar. So, Michigan, excuse me. I apologize. So I guess my question that Donnie is, Donnie,

growing up, where'd you grow up? In Detroit. Detroit and Southfield. So where, how far is Saginaw from you? I feel like that's about an hour away. It's a drive. But kind of, you could kind of understand niggas from Saginaw because Jemont's talking about where he grew up,

right? And how things grew up. So I'm asking you right now, did you go up in a place where a nigga could golf you and you? your jaw. You get no get back. You don't get your lick back. You don't give him an Indian burn. You don't pinch him. You don't do nothing.

And I'll just move on from it. Is that realistic for you? No. No. Not at all. You hold grudges. I mean, he we all saw the punch. That's not something that you just let go without a, especially without a face-to-face apology, a conversation.

Like, you don't just let that. There's no apology, bro. He punched this. this nigger in his shit in front of the whole team. Look, people fight in sports. It happens all the time and you get over it. This was different. This was, if you look at that video, you can make an argument. Oh, maybe Jordan Poole kind of pushed him get off me a little bit.

He was not expecting Draymond Green to haul off and golf him in his shit. He got a bing, bong, bing, bing. Like, I'm sorry. We are probably never going to be the same. We are probably never going to be the same. I don't know what Dremont Green expected. This is the first time that I realized that Dremont crazy. No, this is why I think he's trolling him.

To fix your mouth to say, I mean, I lost myself for five seconds. I thought we were going to be fine. Like, I'm so confused. I feel like he's fucking with him. No, nobody's going to be okay with you when it comes to that. And then to end it with the lesson that he learned from it all, it's like, Draymond, come on.

So he's fucking with us. He's, come on. I don't think he is. I think this is what you get, when you get Draymond Green, who is an incredible competitor, a protector.

Remember, he choked out Rudy Gobert. It just all of that stuff, right? This is all part of the package when you get Draymond Green. But I watched that. and I laughed. That is the type of shit that you say to someone that you look at as a little nigga. Like, if he would have said,

yo, and maybe this did happen? I think maybe did I read something to where Draymond Green wanted to let Jordan Poole get his lick back or whatever, whatever. If he would have said, I went to him and I was like, what could we do to get past this? Like, what could we do to get past this?

Like, what do I have to do to get past this? this with you. If he would have went to him and said that or if that would have been the gist of this conversation, then I would have been cool. But he basically said, well, I golfed this nigga and this job and he just couldn't get over it. He also said, I just thought we would be okay. I just assumed we would be fine. If he would have said, look, I sent flowers to Poole's condo every day for a month. I sent women over there. I sent liquor over there.

I tried to get Jordan Poole. I gave him half a million dollars out of my salary. I got Jordan Poole into all of the finest restaurants. And I was actually trying to, after day, after day, after day after day, I just couldn't do it. But he just goes, well, I'm from. Sometimes we golf each other in the mouth. And then the next day we cool. I understand what he's saying.

Sometimes we fight. Okay? Sometimes we fight and it's cool. But I don't know anyone from anywhere that has been golfed in a shit. Like Jordan Poole got golfed in this shit and got over it. You got to run me, mine. We got to do our thing. I got to go get my big cousin.

Like after that, we could be cool. But I don't know what he expected. This tells me so much about Draymond. Draymond was like, all I did was punch the nigger dead and this shit, front of the whole team on TMZ. The whole world saw me and the nigga can get past it. What's the wrong with him? He's not built like me.

That's exactly what he said. I mean, earlier when he apologized, he's talked about it before, but I guess he didn't say it like this. But he literally was like, move on, bro. I mean, it is what it is. He said, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have punched you, but like it happened, move on. That's really his statement.

Would Draymond Green? golf Steph Curry in his mouth. No. And if he did, he wouldn't expect Steph Curry to get over it. Part of this,

one reason why this probably stuck with Jordan Poole, is part of this is Jordan Poole understood that Draymond Green looks at him as the type of person that he could golf in the mouth

for whatever reason and then expect him to get over it. For sure. Like, no, he has no respect for him. Yeah, so part of it is that. Part of it is why Jordan Poole probably looking, like, why am I a dude that will get golfed in my mouth? It's just very funny.

It was just very, very funny to see Tramon go, you know, I punch you in your shit. Grow up. He's nothing like me. He's nothing like me. He's nothing like me. I tell you what? You know what I would have liked to know?

And I'm not saying that, you know, what I'd like to know is, Dremont, how many times have you been punched in your shit and didn't get your shit back and now you're cool? Because that would have been cool. It would have been cool if he would have been like, you know, that happened to me, you know?

Harrison Barnes punched me in my shit. 2013. And I didn't want it with Harrison. He's wiry and strong. Shout out to Harrison. And so I just let it go. And me and Harrison are friends to this day. that's never happened to Draymond

not at this big age that was fun all right Rachel this is this is a clear out for you Donnie last one Mexican OT he was on lip service podcast

and a conversation about the N-word usage came up this is what the rapper had to say do you feel like you could say the N-word I feel like I can't say it but not because of that

and I'm going to tell you why I wish there were some black dudes in there. There are. Really right there. Okay, well, we're going to use him. What the fuck are you going to do about it, you know? And then second of all, I grew up loving these motherfuckers. I grew up fighting with them.

I grew up eating with them. I grew up fucking doing bad shit with him. I grew up loving with them. And I got family. And it's not even about family. Even if I wasn't related to nobody had black. I mean, well, shit, it's what the fuck I was surrounded by, you know? Like, I respect people that they feel that way.

And that's why I try to shut the fuck up about it. Right. But if you're from where I'm from or anywhere, what the fuck are you going to do about it? You know, it's like I don't went to the jungle and earned the lion's head, you know? I feel like a lot of people that are from a Latino descent here in New York feel that same way. The Puerto Ricans, the Dominican. I mean, shit. Y'all just, I mean, and not even trying to justify it, but she, y'all just got dropped off before us.

That's all the need is. There's, I hate, I hate this and I hate talking about this. Why? There's so many people that are to blame when I listen to this. Obviously, that Mexican O-T, who I like his music, you know, Texas guy, he's obviously to blame, right? Like, he's clearly misunderstood. Please tell me what boat brought you here. I will never understand how people, you can have deep love for the black community and have grown up with black people and they may have taken you in.

You aren't like us. You're not us. And I don't understand that disconnect. I don't understand why you want, when you talk about this so many times, why you want to hold on to this word so deeply where you feel like you have to say it. But then the reason you have to say it is because you basically. basically feel like you are us because you are connected to us. You don't do that with any other race

for black people. First, I blame that Mexican O-T. Then I blame everybody black in his life that made him feel comfortable enough to say that shit out loud. Because he was looking for a black man to co-sign with him in that as he was saying that, he's talking about all these black people

in his life. Those people are to blame because you obviously have probably had these discussions before and give this set the same shit and it worked with them and they made you feel comfortable enough to now say it out to other people. Third, I blame everybody sitting in that room listening. How are you going to let this Mexican man

tell you that y'all got dropped off on the same boat and have nothing else to say? Now the clip cut off, unless I missed it, I'll stand corrected. Yeah, I didn't see that interview. But I would never, imagine if you and I were sitting in that room and he said that and he was like, y'all got dropped off.

We all got dropped off on the same boat. that is not where there would have been so much more conversation. I understand asking questions and having the interview, but as black women who were sitting in that room, you have to push back

when somebody's saying stuff about your race that is offensive and that is also not true. Well, said. Well, number one, he doesn't know his own history. Clearly. What?

People didn't come here on a boat. Well, I guess the Spanish part of him if there are Spaniards or conquisadors in his background they might have but you know if

he is an Aztec or an Incan or a Mayan whatever would have existed his people were indigenous to the southern part the Central America the southern part

of of North America or whatever. Their ancestors are indigenous people. So there was no dropping off except for the conquerors and the rapists and pillagers who got there. And then those people would have more likely been slavers than they would have been enslaved as are we. I'm not going to pretend to know.

the entire anthropology of Mexican people and all of that, but I do know that we're talking about different huge tribes of people that were indigenous to the land where Mexico is and parts of Texas and all that, stuff like that, you know, all over the place. But what all that used to be, it was the same people. So that's the first thing. Number two, I don't think I've ever seen anyone position their weird, want to use the N-word as he did. Like, because a lot of people just go,

hey, this is a function of the culture that I grew up in and I can't do anything about it. It's just, it flows out of me because this is what we did. And there is a certain understanding of that that you just have to have. And the only reason why I say that is because I'm not in every hood everywhere. So I'm from Louisiana. I didn't grow up with Mexicans or other people saying the N-word to me.

I did not grow up with that. But as I've gotten to be an older man, I've realized that places in New York, that that's a thing and they don't care about it, that's for them. Right? It's not for me. That's for them. However, he didn't end it there.

He said, what the fuck you're going to do about it? The what the fuck you're going to do about it is unique to black culture. That's unique to black culture. people only do that to black people. That's the part that's unique. It's the part that, hey, there's something culturally that you've invented that I take part in and that I do at the objection of some of you. That happens all the time.

There are some people that, I'm sure there are some Mexican people that don't mind you walking around in a sombrero on Cinco de Mayo. and then I guess there are some Mexican people that probably go, hey, don't appropriate our culture. Those are intraculture conversations that I'm sure happy happen in every group, right? Those happen in every group. How far is too far?

What is cosplay? What is participation? All of that stuff. What only happens to black people is I'm going to do what y'all do and y'all can't say shit about it. That only happens to black people. And when we're talking about, to me at least,

and when I say that, I mean, when I say that, I mean like, when black people get called out for cultural appropriation and black people culturally appropriate to, there's always a conversation within us about whether or not it's appropriate to do what we're doing. If we're too obsessed with Asian culture or whatever it is, should we even be doing that? Even when we have conversations about what is authentically black

and what we should be doing in terms of us adhering to a European beauty standard, if you're wearing contacts or a blonde wig or whatever. We have all of these conversations. But the only time, the only culture that gets dictated to, you shouldn't care about this. I do what the fuck I want no matter how it affects you, black people. And everybody takes part. Everybody takes part in saying, hey, I could do whatever the fuck I want to do it.

what it is that you are. And if you say something, you're weird. What you're going to do about it? Who the fuck do you think you are? Like, we're talking to you. Like, we talking to you. Like, we talking to you. We're telling you. Hey, man, we don't like that shit.

The fuck you mean, what are you going to do about it? Like, think about what kind of gauntlet you lay down in order to do that. Like, think about what that means. Well, shit, now I got to do something. But I'm here talking to you about the fact. that there's a lot of pain and a lot of uncertainty and a lot of realness behind that word, behind your use of it, I don't share the same relationship with you that your homies might share with you. I don't share that same relationship with you. I'm trying to explain it to you and

you go and fuck it, what you're going to do. This is why people, this is why black people decide sometimes, you know what, we're going to stay in our little cove where we can fight and do all of this stuff and at least there's an understanding. Because when we try to expand it out, we give people these huge platforms. This niggas sounds just like, this nigga, excuse me. This guy sounds just like the baby. Sounds just like the baby, right? So we bring him in and we say, hey, he's dope and we do all of this stuff.

And when he gets in the house, he puts his feet up on the table and goes, move him if you want. Yeah. And goes, I don't give a fuck. about what you got going on and how I make you feel. You let somebody in your crib and they start going through your fucking refrigerator and doing all of this stuff. And like you're like, don't you, because you're in this space, don't you think that you should just move with maybe a little bit of class

and a little bit of difference and a little understanding? Like, don't you think you should just move and maybe have a little bit of decency surrounding like the fact that people have brought you in? Not your homies, but a culture that's bigger than that. and supported you and celebrated you and done the whole thing. Like, why would you talk to us like that? Because at the end of the day,

black Americans are the cultural workhorses for the world. We make it, you take it. And then after you take it, you look back at us and go, what the fuck did you think we was going to do? Why should you be able to dictate anything,

nigger? So I'm like, fuck this dude, bro. Like, what the, like, Yeah, it's like what the No, that's all you can't say. It's not hypocrisy, right? Like, how can you fix yourself to talk about all the love you have for black people?

And then at the end be like, but you got to, you black people, if you have a problem with it, what the fuck you're going to do about it? Which one is it? Which one is it? Tough, tough stuff. Tough stuff. All right, we're out.

We're done. You got to go. Where are you about to go? I'm about to go to a party. Oh. It's my last one. What kind of party? I'll leave or get on a plane to my GQ party.

Who's going to be there? I don't know. Dremont might be there. Keep your hands up. I don't think he's, I don't know. I don't think he's there. But, yeah, yeah, it goes on again. Fashion week goes through tomorrow, but I got to come home.

Everybody's out there walking around. Are they fashionable? People look fashionable. Yeah, you know what? Paris is just nice because everybody's fashionable. It just, it doesn't matter who you, are. You don't have to be any type of celebrity. People just have beautiful fashion out here. I love it. Do you think, last question, do you think that Paris is ready for somebody with the

fashion sensibility of a guy who wears actively black sweatpants every day of his life every day, every single day? Yeah. Yeah, you can rock it. What is that shirt you wearing? It says disappointments, all of you, and it shows a black Jesus. stuff going on here before. Like the loaf the loaf session from last night I got up later than I wanted to get up.

So I, um, I ended up being, I didn't get here as early as I wanted to because so I'd say the loaf session started at maybe like three. And I was up from probably about three to five.

Just, you know. And then, there's this guy Ryan Chapman who does videos and I listen to his videos he does deep dives into things and sometimes the videos

help me go to sleep you know he'll deep dive video on how Iran became a theocracy and all of this stuff like this how deep dive the videos and so then I put one on at five and I was like I'll go to sleep

for like an hour or whatever two hours but I woke back up at 9.15 I had to hustle here so I just threw this on Well, glad you made it. I'm glad you made it.

I'm glad. And by the way, I got on the scale. Oh, how many of you down? Well, just that loaf session alone. All right. You know what? That's fine. That's cool.

You know, I can't be myself on here because. You're always yourself on here. No, but I can be myself and tell you that that sounds, loaf sounds disgusting. Remember that time we went to Tatiana and then it didn't sit with us the next day. By the way, great food. But maybe it was a lot for us to have a guy off the plane. It was rich. It was rich.

It was rich. And then you told me it was loaf for you. I don't remember that. But I will say out here, I'm not eating well. And I probably lost about five pounds being out here. You lost five pounds. In France? Easily. Easily. Well, the food is different. Because

because I'm so picky. I'm eating a lot. And when I was in Italy, it was a lot of like fresh tomatoes and fruit. And we walked a lot and it's very hot. And I was so like, man, we've been, I've been really just eating a certain way out in Italy. I was like, I'm so hungry and I had the podcast and I was rushing. I was like, man, let me just get some Popeyes now that I'm in Paris. Let me get some of get some of it. You got Popeyes in Paris?

How was it? Tor me up. My body, I've been eating so clean. My body completely. completely rejected. It was so good. It tasted so good. Oh, so it was good.

The Popeyes and Paris was good. Oh, it was so good. But they didn't have like drumstick and fat drumsticks and thighs. I think I couldn't order that on the menu. But I wains so good. But my body was like fried food, grease. What are these things? That's crazy.

Yeah. Okay. That's good to know. Take thing caps off. Do not stop learning. I'm Van Leeton Jr. See, you don't like it when I do it. You don't like it when I do.

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