Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Druski’s BET Awards, Tucker Carlson Leaving the GOP, and “War” in the Democratic Party

Episode Date: June 30, 2026

Van and Rachel react to the 2026 BET Awards before discussing the latest from a pair of former Fox News hosts, and the conflict dividing the Democratic Party. (0:00) Intro (16:04) BET Awards recap (29:00) Haiti and Megyn Kelly’s racist rhetoric (54:11) Tucker Carlson leaving the GOP (1:06:14) Moderates vs. Democratic Socialists (1:31:03) New segment: Rachel Hasn’t Seen This (1:39:40) Fewer babies named Donald Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Harlearn is on, is I. Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. I have a couple of thoughts. First of all, I'm coming to the podcast from New York. I'm in New York City. I'm at, thank you.

Thank you. I'm in Spotify, New York, okay? And, you know, the city was alive. The city's alive. It was pride yesterday. Everybody was going crazy. New York turned into a twerk fest last night. walk around the streets of New York.

People are on top of mailboxes, twirking everybody's throwing ass all around the city for pride. Wait, was the parade yesterday or was it Saturday? I'm not sure. When I got into the city, everybody was everywhere. What a time. Scantily clad, having fun. And then I thought it would be over.

I went out with some friends. Then it was, they were still getting to it. Yeah, it's not over. I'm jealous. That's the time. That's a good time to be there. Energy is good. Going crazy.

Everybody's like, yo, what's cool? on, man. We knew it. Would you be is pride, B. I should have. What's us, son? I should have done a timer because I knew it was only a matter of minutes. Could have been seconds before you attempted your New York accent.

Yo, what's up, son? Yo, son, what's up, son? What's up, son? Love is love, son. Yo, what's up, B? What's happening with you? Son done, son done. Son done.

What's up, son? I'm here with my boyfriend and my girlfriend and my friend friend. It's getting here with him. pride, son. Okay, I'm probably. It's getting worse. Why do you do that? Why do you feel like you got to do that? It's so everywhere you go, you got to adapt their accent, their, I won't say style, but so you

immediately become a part of their culture. So you're one of those people. So when you go, if you go to London, you would immediately start talking with that accent. Try it out. Pip-pip chariot, blokes. Pip-pip, pip chary-o, blokes. Remember that? Do you remember that Rick Ross?

Who remembers that I call this the coolest English nigga ever? So there was a, on one of Rick Ross's albums, for some reason, it just throws to an English guy talking about how he dresses. Or this might have been a mixtape Donnie. Did you hear this? No, I don't know if I did. Oh, you don't remember this? He goes, he goes, the soft cashmere socks slip into the, leather loafers, the smooth gloves. And he's talking about just how much of a dandy he is,

like how he dresses, and he's talking about how he wears cashmere shocks and soft gloves and all that stuff like that. And I'm like, you know, that's kind of the English type of bloke I would be if I was running around through London, top boy Lathen on the Thames River, making moves, like my man Jimmy. You know what I mean? My name Jimmy Manua, who is, you He's a UFC fighter. Jimmy being the boxing ring, you fight with Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy beating the shit out of people. Jimmy knocked the nigger clean out. Let me tell you something.

So a couple of years ago, we're in the boxing ring, and Jimmy is in there. Jimmy's really lethal. He fought in the UFC. His name is Jimmy Paperboy and Manua. Great guy, right? So, you know, everybody's in there sparring, and I've sparred with Jimmy before. He's not going as hard as he possibly could. but there was one guy where he was in there

and they did start going as hard as they possibly could Jimmy hits him with a right knocks this guy clean out and then goes, I fucking hell and I was like, whoa that was cool he was mad at himself and it went too far

he knocked the guy out and he goes fucking hell I'm like wow that's interesting shout to my man Jamie man Paper boy poster boy poster boy is it paper boy or poster boy I think it's poster boy. It's poster boy. Okay.

Jimmy Minua. Yeah, posty boy. Like, his name is poster boy. He's, uh, he's lethal. He'll fuck you up. Right. You gotta, like, you're in there spar with him. You know, he's, he gives you good sparring though.

Because if you make a mistake, boom, wake up. How's that going for you? How's that boxing going for you? Like, you know, you're telling the story. You're sparring. You're still doing your thing. How's that going? Like, because I know you talked about maybe doing a fight, right?

I still might. Okay. So how's it going? Yes. I'm genuinely asking you, how's it going? We're almost there? It's going good. It's going good.

I mean, if I was going to actually do like an actual fight, I have to... It wouldn't be about getting my hands and my rounds up. It'd be about like the athletic part of it. It'd be about making sure I'm on top of my road work, making sure my strength is right and all of that stuff. And at this point, I'm in the gym less than I have been before. I mean, there were times where I was in the gym every single day. And I was like for real boxing and fighting and sparring. But if I was going to do it, it might be something I'd do for like my 50th birthday.

Just one fight. One fight. One fight. It's a hell of a 50. Getting great shape. Midlife crisis. The midlife crisis fight. Okay.

Before we move on, I have to say something real quick. Okay. About being here at Spotify, World Trade 4, where we record the podcast. Now, obviously, you know, soccer fever has taken over. Everybody's around New York. They're kicking a soccer ball. They're like, yo, done. What's up, son?

Like, son, pass me to give me a one touch, son. And they kick you, son, you're offside, son. And that's the thing. But I want to talk about broadly the proper way to take pictures at the World Trade Center. Okay. Okay. This is not Disneyland, all right? You see people, like, if you ever come down here,

And I just got to keep it real because I see this every time. You ever come down here and there are two gigantic, basically, holes where the World Trade Center, the towers that fell where they are. Yeah. Right. And there's a memorial and there's all of that stuff. Like we're in buildings here that have replaced the buildings, right? You know? But there are two memorials to it.

And people are not from here, or maybe they're from here, and they take pictures. You can't take a picture in front of the hole where the World Trade Center used to be like this. Yeah. I saw a girl doing that and my old white guy almost came out. Oh, I didn't know. He was in you. I one time saw an old white guy. I one time saw an old white guy at a Dodger game.

Look at somebody behind him and go, hey, take your hat off. because they were singing the national. White audacity is crazy. That it, bro. I look, the dude was about to, the dude took his hat off. I was like, you took your shit off too. God damn.

And then people started laughing. The dude looks behind me because, hey, man, take your hat off. I'm like, what? You're crazy. And he did it. Are you nuts? He did it, too.

Like, he took his hat off. I have friends who say they're going to start walking life with white audacity and see how far it gets them. Because the nerve. But go ahead. I didn't know you had an old white man inside of you. All right.

Just set the root. Explain. And I never really feel that way, right? But I saw this. I was walking. And I saw it. She was like this. I'm like, come on, man.

You know, it's not, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's like, it's just speaks to a big. thing. I mean, this like, well, just be like, I'm sure it was a younger person. Look like, probably like 20s. Yeah, like there is an out of touchness with reality. It's, I mean, you don't even have to have been alive when that happened to know where you were. You just are detached from the gravity of that situation because it's almost like something you read about. It's almost like a story to you. Not like something where people experience. death and grief and and turmoil and it still lingers through all, you know, how many,

25 years later, you know? And so I, I'm not shocked by it. I just think it speaks to how people don't grasp tragedy, how they don't grasp, how like they move past things and they aren't attached to it, whether that's social media, whether that's, I don't know, I mean, social media is, I guess what I would blame it on internet, whatever you want to call it, it just speaks to where we are. I wouldn't be shocked if years from now we get past the war that's happening in Ukraine and between the Ukraine and Russia, the war that's happening with Iran. I wouldn't be surprised in Israel and Palestine that people take pictures like that 25 years from now.

You just pulled a Justin Slayer. Did I? Yeah, you went deep. Well, I mean, it's just, it's sad. It's sad to me. Like, I, I, you didn't think about that when you, no, because you were too busy being an old white man. You were, you were excited that you got to pull that out of you. I mean, I didn't look at it.

For me, I think, I'm like, man. I didn't, this is, this is why I didn't think about a larger sort of societal treatise here. But I guess what you're saying is right. Like, I just looked at you're young, you don't understand. Hey, I don't know if you know, but like, you know, it's like, I also think that I'm, getting to an age to where, and I have to check this about myself, like, and everybody should check this about yourselves. People don't want your correction. Like, I'll be in the basketball, I'll be, I'll be on the basketball court sometimes. And now I know why older guys getting to

coaching on the basketball court is because they're trying to compensate sometimes for the fact that they can't do the same shit that they used to do. So it's like somebody's, somebody's busting your ass, but you still got to find a flaw. You still got to be like, your man, if you take one dribble left and pull up, you're unstoppable. You're unstoppable. Nigga, he's already unstoppable. You can't fuck with him. He's got six straight, and you're trying to tell him he could be better. That's about you and not about him. Toxic correction is a thing. And I want to make sure that I check that myself, because as you get older, sometimes you're always pulling somebody to the side to give him a little wisdom. Niggin' finish your race.

and bring the wisdom. Finish your race. Finish your breakfast. All right. Finish your shit. So I'm not going to look at the person and be like, hey, I don't know if you know, but like, this would have been a time.

Maybe. I don't think it's right. I probably would not have done it. But I started to, I was like, are we being for real now? Like, it's not. People are going crazy on that bitch. I think we live in an administration

that capitalizes on the way people move past things like that. It's why people are, yeah. I mean, I think it's why. you know, it's able to say like, we're past the civil rights. We don't need these laws anymore. What? The civil rights movement was so long ago. It's like, oh, like that's literally the mindset.

If you can move past something 25 years, why can't you move past something that happened 60 years ago? One more thing before we leave. This is a big thing of macha. Okay? I got matcha. I'm here at the Spotify studios. I got this macha.

You can see it, it's green. Yeah, I'm not into macha. All right, and I have one thing to say, and this will be the last time I'll say it. No, no. Not good. In no way. Okay?

I don't, when I'm driving into Sycamore, which, by the way, this place, Sycamore's changed my life. I love Sycamore, but they got like an ice cream. They got an ice cream trough over here. Oh, I didn't see that.

They have a little thing. It's Spotify, New York. It's called ice cream truck. It's like a little. thing and they got little ice cream popsicles in that bitch. Nice. I'm just like, you know, Jeff, Bill, Sycamore is crazy.

Not step it up, but ice cream trough would be nice. A hot day in L.A. Ice cream trough. That's all I'm saying. It's a little ice cream trough. Okay. So I went and got this, got this match. When I'm driving in to Sycamore, I sometimes see people there's this place that's right off Melrose

and there's a, and the line is wrapped around the block. It's not, so this is Melrose almost when you get to Fairfax. The place is like probably one block up, but people will down that block all the way around the block. And one time I had to make the block, because you know, I explore. It's like the same way I got the hat. I had to make the block. I'm like, what are you guys waiting in line for? Because I thought maybe there was a reading and something. Because back in the day in LA, when I would see people waiting outside, they would be going oversides and shit like that and all that stuff. So maybe

they're all going for something. And I say, what are you guys waiting in line for? And they go, matcha. No. The TikTok matcha place. It was matcha. Yo, what the fuck? What am I missing? What am I? What am I? Like, what the fuck is happening? Z corner, does the Z corner fuck with match? You fuck with match? J. I love matcha. Yeah, see what the fuck I'm talking about? But in the last year, I've started fucking with it. What? Bernard, do you? No. I can make good matcha, but now, I hate macha. It's just not for me.

I tried. I don't get the hype. I think, you know how it is. Everybody just wants to do it to say that they do it. I mean, Jade, I'm not saying that that's you. You might genuinely like it. But for the people in line waiting around the block. All the matcha drinkers is fake-ass niggas.

Nah, no, no, no. Oh, thank you. I'm very particular about the kind of matcha I drink. Not everybody can make a matcha. I think it's got to be a specific ratio of sweetness, creaminess, you know what I mean? That's crazy. It's not for me.

It's not. Okay, so you're done. You, you, you, it ended quickly for you. I tried it. You're macha phase. I'm old. Yeah, I've had it before. I'm old.

I actually tried it. I don't like it. It's not about being old. It's just about, it's just an overrated experience. It's a requiring taste. It's an acquired taste, right? And I'm past, I'm past. You said, you said it's a what, Bernard?

He said it's an acquired taste. Try what he said. Yeah, I meant. That's not what you said? No, I meant to say that, but yeah, yeah. Okay, well, don't call him. We know what he meant. I don't know what he said.

I don't know what he said. He acquired the taste for matcha so that he could have more proximity to white women so that he could go around the white women and be like she was on the matcha with them, Bernard. That's what you acquired. You don't have a taste for matcha. You went in the order of matcha.

Yo, give me your matcha five pumps of vanilla because that's what I'm here for you. Bernard, do you know why he can say that? because there's an old white man living inside of him. He has revealed to us. Okay. Go ahead, Van. Hey.

No, we don't. Not every. No. You feel like you don't have that? Oh, I can point it out. Go ahead. Point it out. No.

Point it to do it. You already did it. No. I've never said that. You already did it. I don't want to do it. I want to do it. I want to do it.

I don't want to go back in the past and all of that. I don't want to do it. But you brought it to the present. I'll wear it. We can move on Donnie BT Awards. All right. We're recording on a Monday. BT Awards was last night. It was hosted by Druski, featured a whole bunch of performances by artists, including Cardi B, T.I, Kallani, Ariet, Lennox, baby Kim.

I'm missing a whole bunch. There were performances for, there were tributes to DeAngelo and Lauren Hill, a bunch of different artists performed during those tributes. There were awards given out. You all watched. There were awards given up. There were a lot of icon awards given out specifically. It feels like there were like four or five of those. But yeah, what did y'all think of the awards show last night?

I think that the standout question for me was how would Drewski do? I thought he did a good job. What about you? I thought he did a good job too. What I walked away thinking was you've had to, I felt like you had to know Drewski's schick to understand some of it. That was the one thing. It's like you have to follow Drewski.

You have to know about the church, how viral. the church skit went. You have to know about his character, the way he dresses up as a white guy and the cipher. I felt like you had to know could have been records. I still thought it was funny, but I also follow him, so I'm familiar with all that. And I wondered for someone who's not, would they get it? I thought maybe some of the church stuff went on a little too long. Did enjoy the Ray J of it all. Not going to lie. But I thought he did a really good job. I thought he was entertaining. I thought the energy was up.

So even if you didn't know, I thought you could have at least been entertained. And you know what I also like? He genuinely seemed so happy to be hosting. He really did. And like not a, I deserve this. I'm taking it for granted. Not that I thought he would, but I could just feel how excited he was to be a part of it. So that was good.

I mean, other things stood out to me too. I really enjoyed Drewskiy and Kiki's moment. I mean, Kiki just. is just like next level. Like she's just so funny in anything that she does. And I loved, obviously, the tributes to DeAngelo and Lauren Hill. I loved watching Lauren Hills. I thought the pairings of the people who did her songs was just genius.

And I loved, what else did I? Oh, I loved the Tiana Taylor, Janet Jackson part. Of course, I don't, what's wrong with folks? I just saw so much discourse about whether or not Tiana Taylor was deserving of this ward. It was icon of the year. How can you not say that she didn't have an iconic year? I'm sorry. I just do not understand why people make it, not their business, but just like a hobby to just hate,

just to be negative and critical for just no reason. I thought that the moment was beautiful. I thought her speech was super impactful. I loved Janet coming out there and presenting the award. I love knowing that they have a relationship off camera where they've really, you know, like she said, there's no me without you. They really have a connection. She's encouraged her.

She looks up to her. And I just thought it was so cool that somebody you admire so much took time out of their day to come present you with something that they believed for you to be as well. I thought it was great. I just don't understand why we got to do all of that. All very well said. I think Drusky went over really well. I want to ask you about the Dochey Sizzling later that I saw a punch got mad about that happened when they got played.

Well, Drusky came in with like the saxophones or whatever, the music, whatever, when Dogey and Sizzle were up there. And a punch from TDE did not appreciate that and called Drusky. and BET out for it. See if you thought that was. We'll talk about that in a second. Two things. One about him. One about Tiana Taylor.

All right. For Druski, I think your point is well taken that you have to know the sketches. I think BET and a lot of people are doing two things. One, they're assuming that Drusky has broken through to enough of the audience to where they'll understand those references, which is a huge deal. I want people to think about this. Think about the difference in two things. when a celebrity is pitching you something and they're on your screen, right?

Like they're selling you like, I don't know, some kind of juice or a mutual fund or something. There's two different types of celebrities that sell you that stuff. One is a celebrity where there's no lower third. The person's face is just on there. Then there's a celebrity where at the bottom, it tells you who they are. Those are two different.

types of celebrities. The one celebrity is the company is expecting that you know who this person is. And that's the power of it. The other one is the company says you might know who they are, but in case you don't, let me tell you why it matters what they say about this thing. Right. You see this all the time. But those are like, just from a cultural standpoint, two distinct things. I think this was BET doing the first thing, the Drusky. Hey, this is Drusky. With everything that Drusky's done, particularly in the last year, the church one, the Erica Kirk one, they've gone so broad and his appeal is so broad. We don't really have to hold your hand through, like, whether or not you know Drewski.

Secondly, they're also trying to bring in people that do know Drusky, because here's the deal. Sure. That Erica Kirk shit, $75 million in like two days. It's probably up to around like $100,200 or something like that now of people who saw it. There's a point to where you don't just want. want Drewski to sell Drewski as somebody that everybody knows, you want the people that are watching Drewski on Instagram and Twitter and not watching the BET Awards to tune in. Because ain't no 75 million people.

Ain't no 100 million people. That's like the fucking Super Bowl. Right now, I know it's a different medium, Twitter and all that stuff is right there. You don't have to commit to it. It's two minutes. But you want those people to tune in to the BETT Awards to sell. Druski could have been records and all of that stuff, you're trying to get a new audience as well to the award show. When the ratings come out, that'll probably be the real tell on whether or not

they were able to get any of Drusky's audience to come in. Yeah. Right? So like if there's a little bit of a bump, even a little bit of a bump, you would almost have to attribute it to him. Yeah. A couple, yeah, I was I was trying to look and see if the numbers were out. I couldn't see anything. Yeah, I definitely think there's going to be a bump. But I think it's going to be a couple of things. I think you had really great performers. I think the Lauren Hill of it all drew me in. Like, even if we weren't going to talk about this,

I probably would have watched it, period, just because I really would have wanted to see the Lauren Hill, DeAngelo tribute. So I just think that there's certain factors in it. But I, yeah, to your point, I absolutely think the numbers are going to be there, are going to show that there was an impression. improvement. I really do.

Japan up one-nothing on Brazil right now in the footy football situation. The goddamn footy. We're at 31 minutes in the first half. I've got to tell you something. I haven't been able to watch this game, but what I really felt about this game was that if Japan was able to maintain their attacking momentum and make sure that they kept Brazil on the back foot, if Japan was able to use their feet, if they were able to run around in different patterns and circles and different ways, they would be successful in this game. Football expert, fan. I was like, are you practicing for something?

Why are you talking like that? I'm talking like that because I know football. I know soccer. Secondly, I'll say this. You guys, I'm just going to be honest with y'all. A lot of people I know, I don't want to use that we term because it's too much of an umbrella term. A lot of people that I know are unfairly in a energetically and enthusiastically rooting for Tiana Taylor.

Yeah. Like, there's a crop of young black female performers, Tiana, Kiki, like a couple of other ones that are starting to get there just do. There are a bunch of them that I think deserve more. I always bring up Coco Jones and all these people that are coming right behind them. Somebody told me to say, hey, man, you keep bringing up Coco Jones in terms of acting, just let you know Coco Jones wants to be a singer more than an actor

somebody told me I was like okay cool I'll stop I just watched her in the new movie that just dropped on peacocks so yeah it just came out

Malcolm Daly shout to Malcolm Daly I thought we were supposed to do that for unwrapping the real but I don't think it came together but if you've been around for a long time Tiana Taylor

particularly in this city or from inside the industry Tiana Taylor has been just the loveliest nicest most genuine person for a long time. Just around the town.

She comes around like when she's like a younger, the younger performer and all the way up through this time, different iterations of who she is, different iterations showing off her talent. And she is just, if you've ever had any interaction with her, it's difficult not to want to see her realize all this tremendous potential. as an actress, as a singer, as a personality.

I could see her hosting the BET Awards next year. Obviously, I could see Kiki. So, like, you know, there is something to be said, and I'm not going to drone on about this, there's something to be said about the energy that you put out and how people want for you when you put out that energy. We talk a lot about how some of our most accomplished people are assholes, but we accept them as assholes because you have to be an asshole to be that great.

Do you? No. I'm sure. Do you? And if that is true, fine. But that just makes, at least for me, a want to appreciate the people who aren't assholes to the if degree. The people that could make it there and still have something good to say or always have a good word for you or always like, put out and so good energy into this land and into this profession. And there are a lot of people

like that. There are a lot of people who are like that. And so when you see those people, you just want them to have everything that they're supposed to have. People haven't been perfect. Nobody's perfect. All kinds of stuff has happened. People, they don't always get it right. I'm not saying that. But Tiana Taylor is somebody that I know a little bit, don't have a tremendous relationship with her. But I legitimately root for her in everything that she does. because she's decent. And she legitimately roots for other people. That's the thing to it's not even just about being nice and genuine.

She genuinely cheers on and roots for other people. And I think that's something that you don't always see either. But like also well deserved because, you know, you bring up Kiki, you bring up Tiana, even Koko. These people have been working in the industry for decades. It's, yeah, like they didn't just pop up. They've been putting in the work and the work is paying off. And that's a beautiful thing to see, especially when you also see that it didn't change them along the way. So the Dochi says the thing didn't bother you at all.

It was a joke. I feel like, no, it was a joke. Yeah, Punch wasn't happy. Well, I mean, that makes sense. Those are his artists. But I thought it was a joke and it gave people something to talk about. I didn't, yeah, but I get it. I get it.

But I don't think it was a serious. Overall, successful night at the BET Awards, I thought, I thought, I thought that, that Drusky did a good job. And I'm very interested in the prospect that Kiki could host next year. That would be awesome. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if I thought, okay, Drewski,

I could see him hosting another year, but then definitely Kiki. Whenever she wants it, I feel like it's hers. You could do dance numbers. Kiki could be out there. on stage with Jan Jackson going crazy. She's got a lot to offer. That'll be awesome if she did that.

Okay, let's get to some legal shit. Yeah, let's switch gears. In a 6-3 decision last week, the Supreme Court gave the Trump administration the go-ahead to strip temporary protected status from thousands of citizens of Syria and Haiti, despite shortcomings in the officials' attempts to gauge the impacts that such moves will have. Just for context, TPS is granted to individuals whose home countries are unable to accommodate them due to war or natural disasters. And in the commentary after this decision, Megan Kelly let it be known that she was a fan of this decision in a way that Megan Kelly does best. And look,

this has been going on for over a dozen years. Go home. Get out. We know our country's better than yours. That's because we filled it with our work ethic and our culture and our values. You being here only deluxe it for us, those who built it and live it. And half of you people more than half. You won't assimilate. We don't want you. We don't care if you're offended. Get out. Go home. Go back to fucking Haiti. Sorry. I'm just, I'm thinking about our friends in Ohio who've been dealing with these TPS Haitians for years now, who are drunk driving all over their towns and killing people. This is the whole cats and dogs thing. Like, they don't want to live like Americans live.

And this was supposed to be a temporary, it was supposed to be temporary help. And it's turned into another backdoor way of allowing someone permanent residency here. That's it. Yeah, we can cut Gargamel off. Rach. I mean, where to begin? It's, you know,

I say this often that the thing speaks for itself. But like, somebody who has such vitriol and hatred for a group of people is exactly why Judge Kagan wrote the dissent in the way that she did with this Supreme Court decision. Because, yes, it's temporary protected status. It has the word temporary in it. And there were a couple of arguments that were made by the plaintiffs, which were the Haitians in this case, even though it's Haitians and Syrians that are. are at issue. There are a couple of things there, which, you know, the temporary part of it, eventually, yes,

like you're not necessarily here forever, but you know that temporary protected status is, one, the biggest thing is the humanitarian relief of it all. It's about providing a safe haven. It's about the humanitarian effort, which is something that Megan Kelly and the other people that are the driving force behind taking this away from people do not possess, no heart, no desire to help. They look at certain people as garbage, as disposable, and in no way want to focus on the whole reason that this temporary protected status even exists.

And they want to send people back to a place that is still not there. It's not ready, right? Like, you know it's the temporary protective status is given to people who, where their countries is not safe for them to return, whether it be an environmental disaster, whether it be some other extraordinary condition, whether it be ongoing armed conflict. And just to send these people back when they've been living here, when they've contributed to our society, instead you're painting a picture as if they're terrorizing people is just so reckless, so harmful, so dangerous, so disgusting.

I could keep going on about the words and the rhetoric in which she's spewing. And so, yes, temporary protective status comes up. It's reviewed. And that was one part of it. But the other part of it that the plaintiffs were arguing, which really speaks to the hatred and the racism that Megan Kelly was putting out there was discrimination a motivating factor in taking away the temporary protected status. And Judge Kagan lays it out so well in the dissent and really calls. out the majority here because people voted on party lines with this. It was a six three decision that you claim that racism was not a motivating factor by Trump, yet you won't name the racist things that he said, numerous things that he said particularly about Haitians. You use it as a catch-all. Well, it's not just Haitians. There are all these other countries as well that are going to be reviewed. Well, look at what those countries look like and then compare it to what he said when why can't we get people from Sweden and Norway. Look at how he's treating

white people from South Africa and giving them packets with Android tablets and things like this unprecedented bags, welcome bags that you don't see happen ever before. When you compare that versus this, clearly race is the only difference is race. That's the motivating factor of it. Look at how he views the country, the people that come from it, the lies and hatred and racism that he spews. And yet you still want to keep giving him the benefit of the doubt and making excuses on his behalf and not recognizing what the underlying issue is here. It is discrimination. And that is exactly why. It's why Stephen Miller is the one, the driving force before this. You're trying to also have a reason to deport people so you can meet the numbers that you promised your base that you would do.

It's just, it's so sad. And I just don't understand. anybody who can support this, who can agree with this in any kind of way. How can you understand what's still happening in these countries and the reason that they came here and how they have been positive for the country

and then say, well, we just want to shoe them back. Go away. Go away. It's just, yeah. As far as I'm concerned, Haitians should be able to come to America in droves, be granted political asylum, and refugee status as soon as they get here

and be offered an immediate path to citizenship every single one of them. Yeah. Every single Haitian. I don't think TPS goes far enough. I'm a radical Haitian immigrationist. First of all, we should say that every single thing that Megyn Kelly just said is a lie.

All right? So local officials, law enforcement, and state leaders have confirmed there's no evidence that Haitian immigrants in Ohio are committing crimes at higher rates than other demographics. The vast majority of the community

resides and works in the area legally. Okay? That was the TPS that we were talking about. The pet abduction stuff lies. McKelley is lying. All right? I'm not going to take you guys all the way back to like 1799, but I'm going to put a little bit of this stuff in there, right?

Haitia, Haiti, has been intentionally, and this is the thing that I don't, that drives me the most about all of this stuff. It's the intentionality of it. The way Megan Kelly is talking about Haiti and Haitians, exactly the same way that white supremacy and systemic racism talks about black people, they act as if black people made the decision culturally. they try to separate cultural and political

observations right cultural political and economic observations so you boil it down to a cultural situation well culturally black people have decided to commit their lives

to crime or commit their lives to homes that people might say are broken whatever the fucking thing is okay all the tropes none of which are true but there's a

cultural decision to be that way. It's a part of your culture that makes these outcomes what they are. And there's two reasons why they do that. One, an indictment like that maintains the hierarchy that white supremacy exists inside of. That indictment says, hey, we're just better than you. Yeah. That's why the reason why this stuff works out the way that it works is we're just better

than you, right? the intentionality of white supremacy's existence in America for a long time is the thing that goes under the radar. I keep screaming this. I'm going to be screaming it. Stop screaming at people in front of World Trade Center and scream this. That's why I should be out there screaming. It's like the stuff that's being done has been and is being done on purpose. And what was done to Haiti was on purpose to punish those.

black people for throwing off their slavers and the United States played a gigantic part in it. The French got the ball rolling by making Haiti pay reparations to them for liberating themselves, then making the Haitian government, making the Haitian people take out loans on top of the debt that they had to France. So they had a debt to France for reparations for, beating the French back, then they had to pay to take loans from French banks on that debt. So we're talking about billions and billions of dollars in today's money that did not go back into the economy of Haiti. And you might say, hey, that's a Haiti-French problem. What does it have to do with the United States of America? Well, what it has to do with the United States of America

is in the early part of last century, the United States of America became directly involved by propping up certain leaders in Haiti that reflected what the United States wanted, which was to stem the tide of leftist and socialist movement in Latin America. And they did that. And they had the Marines at one point, this is true. The Marines at one point went into Haiti and stole gold bars and then took the gold bars to Washington. city group is the bank now, but it wasn't city group then. It was, I can't remember the name of what it was then.

It was a completely different institution that was extracting wealth out of Haiti with help from the U.S. government. I think it was Roosevelt, FDR, who bragged that he basically wrote the Constitution, right? We were heavily meddling in Haiti to keep the wages of the people there low so that everything that they produce, very valuable island for sugar back in the day, I can't remember the other crop, to keep the wages of the Haitian people low so that we can continue to extract

the resources out of Haiti with no recourse. That, along with, you know, like the political instability, you know, a couple of earthquakes and stuff like that, and you have Haiti in the situation that it's in now. But in terms of repaying those debts to France, and then

you guys, direct, direct intervention by the United States, direct intervention over a course of decades. There was a guy in the 90s that came up and became the president of Haiti and he was going to lead reforms to increase wages in Haiti to change the way things worked, to share more with the people. The United States got involved right away. Got involved right away. God was kidnapped. When he came back, he had, if he wanted to. wanted to stay in power, what he had to do then was kind of acquiesce to the West.

We have impoverished those people. We've done that to them. Like we've done that to them. Yeah. They're not running from Haiti. They're running from the United States of America. They're running for the conditions that were created in their country by this country. There is no, it's true.

Nope. Done. Truth. Truth. It's true. Crack a fucking book. Have some responsibility for yourself. I'm not making anything up.

Everything I just said is true. They have, over time, tried, had leaders who were interested in governing for the Haitian people. They've had that. We got involved. We put our thumb on them. I'll tell you something else. Last thing I'll say, as I make my pro-Hatian rant, I'll be a flag day. I could also make another argument that the United States, a large portion of the United States,

owes Haiti. O's Haiti. That we owe them. That our relationship with them should be different because of what black people in Haiti did directly for the United States of America. You might ask how. Okay, well, this is how.

The Haitian revolution was only one part of Haiti becoming Haiti. The Haitian revolution was Tucson and the rest of the guys getting rid of slavery out of Haiti. Haiti independence came a little bit later. Even after the revolution, they were still like,

you guys, I'm not a historian. It's just what I know from trying to get involved in different struggles of blacks around the world. Haiti wasn't quite independent after they threw off their slavers. They weren't. Now, this is what's interesting about this. This is an interesting thing.

I've always thought this was interesting. This almost never gets talked about. Okay, so Haiti throws off their slavers, and then Napoleon is in power in France. And Napoleon decides that he wants to reconstitute his empire in North America, which had kind of been crumbling, right? So France was kind of getting out of the North America game or getting out of the America's game.

Then Napoleon comes to power. And Napoleon goes, well, I want back in. I want to be a worldwide willer of power. So Napoleon decides that in order to fund this, this thing that he's going to do, which is go back and get power in North America, America again, that he needs slavery in Haiti again. That he has to be able to, this is going to be expensive.

So in order to extract as many resources out of Haiti as they needed, that they have to go back in and reintroduce slavery. Now, I should say that even after the Haitians threw off their slavers, they still had the sugar plantations because Toussaint, Toussaint basically said, hey, the economy is going to be based around these sugar plantations. I don't even want to get into how brutal slavery was in Haiti. When people came

from other places, when people were taken and kidnapped and brought to Haiti to work on sugar plantations, how long do you think they lived? Maybe seven years? Three years. Brutal. brutal conditions.

Because another thing that kind of doesn't get discussed when you're having these conversations is the different experiences that you would have based upon the type of stuff that you're actually harvesting, whether or not you're, you know, it's indigo or whether that was rice, whether or not it was cotton, whether or not it was sugar,

and where you're doing it at brutal, terrible conditions, right? That's an aside. So anyway, but Toussaint said, hey, we still need the plantations. So these plantations still existed. It's just that people were being paid. Anyway. So Napoleon goes, can't have that. We need slavery back because we need all of this money so I can reconstitute North America.

Napoleon sends his brother, LaClerc, sends him to Haiti. Like, we're going to take Haiti back and re-implement slavery. They kick LeClerc's fucking ass, the Haitians. Now, things didn't work out so well for Toussaint. Toussaint ended up, he wasn't particularly popular in Haiti because, you know, you know, the guy for whatever reason, he ends up getting arrested by the French and then he dies in a French prison. But the Haitians there beat the shit out of LeClerc.

But it wasn't just them that beat the shit out of LeClerc. It was obviously disease. Like, yellow fever was something that, like, I think LeCard ended up dying of yellow fever. LeClerc is Napoleon's brother-in-law. So they get their asses kicked. They can't retake the... take the island and bring slavery back. The Haitian slaves there once again, excuse me, I apologize.

The free people of Haiti, leave that in. The free people of Haiti beat off imperialism. They win again. They beat them. They came back. They beat them again. Well, what happens after that? After that, Napoleon gives up his.

dream of reconstituting his empire in North America, of getting all of that stuff back together. And do you know what Napoleon does? What? He gets out of the North America business. Do you know how he does it? Mm-mm. Does anyone know what Napoleon did to get out of the North American business?

Anybody on this, like, anybody on the, on the recording? Just saying. He sold a large portion of French holding. to Thomas Jefferson. And that was called the Louisiana Purchase. So if you live in parts of Texas, Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, parts of Louisiana, those black motherfuckers got you your state. The fact that they resisted imperialism and they beat the French, thank them.

allow them in, feed them, have fun with them. Sock passe. Because without them, you might not have the part of the United States. Those people that fought for their freedom, that threw off their slavers and their imperialist fucking bastards, that helped your putrid idea of manifest destiny. that beat Napoleon back. Napoleon then sold that part of the United States to Thomas Jefferson. The Louisiana purchase happens. That is downstream from the fact that he could not make those people except bondage again. It is the most remarkable story one of in recent human history. But yet we continue to treat the Haitian people. We continue to treat them, not as people who accomplish all of that stuff, not as people who are pioneers in freedom, pioneers in self-realization and actualization.

We continue to treat them like wards of a failed state without ever, ever acknowledging the fact that we are punishing them and have punished them for decades because they wanted to be free. It is the most un-American thing that has ever existed. You can go, don't fucking take my word for it. There are political differences here between the way Haitians are treated, between the way Cubas are treated. All of that stuff is politics. All of that stuff is about American adventuring and who they want to be in power where, all of that stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it's not even about fuck Megan Kelly. That's a standing rule here on the podcast.

As far as I'm concerned, any halfway objective, historical analysis of what's happened in Haiti historically and in a contemporary sense means that in order to be good people, in order to be a good members of the world community, we would have to not just be involved in settling Haitians here in America, but of helping to fix Haiti in a robust way. And Bill Clinton and his fucking cronies, they failed, made things worse. Barack Obama wasn't particularly good on this issue. No one has been interested in helping out to fix what America broke.

And that is the same fucking problem that you have here when it deals with black people. The same terrorism, the same boots on our necks, all of that stuff that people can't come to terms with, that they want to come back at a Burzai view and say, hey, you got a bad culture. That's why these outcomes are happening to. it's the same for black people everywhere, but we have to pretend like it ain't so that people like Megan Kelly can sit somewhere and feel like they're better

than a bunch of black people from Haiti. It's a lie. And it drives me crazy almost to the point to where I want to fucking rip this. It's a lot. It's a fucking lie. It's not true. It's like honestly not true. Very well said. I'm sorry, guys.

No, no, no, no. That went on way too long. Don't know. I'm trying to like... Don't apologize. Listen, I think it speaks to the underlying issue that a lot of what we have been told is a lie because America wants to paint itself a certain way and doesn't want to reconcile the past actions of, you know, their beloved, whether it be a president, politician, whatever.

Like, in the same way, as simple as things we were told about George Washington and other founding fathers that turned out not to be true, it's the same thing when it comes to the way we're in involved with other countries, their governments, their people, what we're motivated by, and how America isn't better than another country or another imperialist country just because they decided to leave one and then create their other. It really is a thing. And the lives will continue because nobody wants to feel bad about the past, not nobody, they don't want to feel bad about their past actions. They don't want to have to revisit and answer things that they did. They want to pretend they didn't happen and build from there and not understand to your

point, which is why I'm not going to say you went on too long, the root of where it all started. And it's just a theme. It's just a theme here. And not just the route. Like right now, we're talking like a couple of years ago, the Kenyans and the United States government deciding who's going to run and lead Haiti and all of that stuff. It's been, go listen to Ryan Grimm, you know, talk to Matt Walsh about this. That's when I started like really getting into the weeds. Go listen to Ryan Grim talking. There's a clip, guys. I almost

want to play the clip where Matt Walsh comes on. I think we should. Well, I'll see how Rachel feels about it. Where Matt Walsh comes on and he comes on breaking points and he's talking to Ryan Grim and he tries to get one over on Ryan about Haiti and why Haiti sucks

and all that stuff and you just listen to Ryan just shred him by point after point about how the United States government has been involved in emiserating the Haitian people and what that actually means. And then on the other side of it,

I got to listen to fucking Megan Kelly come over here and say a bunch of different shit into her camera like she knows what the fuck is going on. I'm getting sick of the shit. All right, let's move on. I'm sorry. I apologize again. Real quick. A book for you guys. Just real quick.

Booked it for you guys. It's called Slave Revolution in the Caribbean, 1789 to 1804, brief history with documents. All right. If you guys want a book that'll help, I read a couple. If you want a book that'll help with some of the depth on that, I'll say it again. Slave Revolution in the Caribbean, 1789 to 1804. I just went back through my shit to see which stuff I read on this. There's a couple of things, but you could start there.

Okay, go ahead. What should we do next? Rachel, what do you want to do next? Let's go to Tucker Carlson. Oh, that's a good transition from Megan to Tucker. On a recent episode of the podcast can't be censored, Tucker Carlson made it clear that he is no longer a supporter of the GOP. I would not support the Republican Party. There's no chance I would support the Republican Party.

I'm not going to support the Democratic Party. I don't know what I'm going to do. But at this point, you know, how could you support, how could I or any American voter support a political party that's not loyal to the United States? that puts the interest of a foreign country above those of its own citizens. Like that's, that's, you know, it's not possible to vote for people like that. And I'm not going to. And I think I voted Republican my entire life. I worked at Fox News.

I've seen, CNN, MSNBC. I've been a consistent defender for 35 years of the Republican Party. I mean, very consistent defender. But there's no defending this because it's immoral. And it's exactly the opposite of what a political party in a democracy, is charged with doing, which is representing its own voters, its own citizens, its own nation,

and they're not doing that. So no, I'm out. And if I'm out, then I think a lot of other people are out. Is that meaningful to you at all? No. No, no. It's not meaningful.

I feel like it's a signal, especially the last part of what he says. When he says, if I'm out, that means a lot of people are out. And it immediately made me think of watching J.D. Vance doing the rounds right now. Yes, he's promoting his book, but he's also putting himself out front and center because we know that he is going to run in 2028. And all I kept thinking when I saw it, because like we know just because Tucker Carlson says he's not a part of any party and so I guess he's independent. As I said before on this podcast when we were talking, I don't trust anything he does because the intention.

the intentionality to me of Tucker is rooted in racism. We saw what he would do for his show. We saw the rhetoric that he would spew out, the lies that he would tell, the way he would play into racism and all kinds of things. That is who Tucker Carlson is. He doesn't need to be tied to a specific party. But the last sentence was important to me

about if I'm out, so are other people. Because I think that is a message to the right of, you need to get it together before midterms are different, but before the election. I think that when I see Jady Vance, as I said, and yeah, he's promoting this book, I think I can see him distancing himself from the things of this current administration. I think Tucker's saying a lot of people are going to be feeling like this or do feel like this, is them saying, you're going to have to start changing your messaging and what you do for the next presidential election. That's how I took this. So is that meaningful? Maybe.

But it was signaling to me more than anything. I'm not holding too much weight on him not identifying with the Republicans. Fine. But what I do think he's doing is talking to the right. And I think he's trying to like put out a certain message. So we'll talk about the DSA and the tensions inside the Democratic Party. Like right after this, we'll like kind of go back and forth. I think it is meaningful.

And I think it's meaningful for all the reasons you just said. So a couple of things. Number one, Vance is done. Vance is cooked. Vance has... If Vance is able to rebound from this and get the Republican nomination, to me, it will say two things.

One, it'll say that, like, people are just eager for a continuance of that type of direct to Trumpism. Because Vance now has to be a rubber stamp for this, a rubber stamp for this type of Trumpism. When I say rubber stamp, I mean, a lot of people view J.D. Vance as the cool-headed adult in the room, right?

Which is why, and Donald Trump knows that people think of him that way. Donald Trump knows that people think that Vance is the pragmatist. So that's why he puts J.D. Vance front-senter and all it is. He puts him front-and-center to make him bend the knee to all of these things, that he might be pulling back on. I'm not saying that there's any type of rebellion rhetorically coming from J.D. Vance for these tenets of Trumpism. But what I'm saying is that he probably wouldn't have launched the Iran war.

It's probably something that he wouldn't have done. Right? And so because it is known that he wouldn't do that and it is reported of all these are the people from inside the administration that don't want this, then Trump makes J.D. Vance go out and sell it. He makes J.D. Vans to go out and be the guy to talk about it, so he can't run from it. So if, in fact, J.D. Vance were a year from now, two years from now, come away as the frontrunner in the Republican Party for their nomination, it would be those people basically saying that we don't care about the Iran War. Like, we don't care about a lot of this stuff. We want the same old thing.

Yeah. The person that is far enough away from that, at least right now, seemingly, to benefit from it. and 28 would be Marco Rubio. Like that's the guy that even though he's on board for all of it. Right. For whatever reason, he's not quite as directly tied to it. He's not being made the face of it. He's playing a very interesting political game right now

where he says all the right things, completely backs the president, but is able to stay in the shadows a little bit and build back, quite frankly, a political momentum that was completely destroyed when he tried to run for president before. Donald Trump completely eviscerated him and neutered him and made him look like a sort of Dickensian pauper. Oh, please, whatever, he just completely cut his balls off. But he's building strength.

And he's kind of actually even a sort of a formidable challenger to the left in 28. I say all that to say that if J.D. Vance represents the continuation of that, The question is, how strong will that continuation be? How strong of a contingent will still exist in the hardcore magnet? Anything that damages that contingent is good. Anything that damages to me the contingent of hardcore strident maga fascism that exists is good. Tucker Carlson isn't good. I'm not saying that Tucker Carlson is good.

I'm not, guys, I'm not saying Tucker Carlson is good. He was funny on his podcast when he got at Mark Levin. No, I laughed. I'm not saying he's good, but I'm saying anything that weakens, that weakens and causes dissension inside of that hardcore MAGA base is good. The fact that Trump is seemingly at odds now with Mark Levine and Ben Shapiro and the rest of these guys because he's in some way trying to. signal that there could be a break in the American

Israeli hegemony in the Middle East, that even that, like, when you see Mark Levin criticizing the deal, criticizing Donald Trump, when you see Ben Shapiro, when you see all of these people, when you see that, who knows how solid those breaks are? But that is good. Because this particular political coalition, the MAGA right, is, it's,

pernicious in a way that I don't think very many political movements have been before. It's, when you look at just downstream, like, what has happened to people and what has happened to black people in this particular coalition, it's been kind of a resurfacing of a lot of Jim Crow era, not just politics, but outcomes. And they're able to do that because of how strong they are. Because everything that Donald Trump says is law. Like, that idea has to crumble, even before the political coalition does. And so people that are willing to buck that, it doesn't make them good.

They are not good, but that is a good thing. I think I keep thinking about timing. And it's 2026, haven't even had the midterms yet, and there's so much time for things to change. This is why I said, I look at it as a signal to get it together.

So much can change between now, and the presidential election or whoever is chosen as the Republican nominee that I hear Tucker Carlson, right? I think it would be more powerful to me if he said I'm a Republican

and this is how I feel because he's separating himself from the, he has different beliefs and therefore he's separating himself from the party. If he said he was a Republican and felt this way, it would make me feel like

that there was a bigger division in the party because that is what we're seeing happening with the Democrats, which we're going to talk about next. People are still identifying themselves within the party, per se, and are causing a division, which is playing into the hands of the other side.

I'm not quite seeing that yet. Because what we do know with the Republicans is, and unless Tucker Carlson, if the Republicans stay where they are and Tucker Carlson stays where they are, then yeah, there's a division. But what we have seen is when the pedal hits the metal, is that how the saying goes,

when shit hits the fan, when it all comes together, rubber meets the road. the road, thank you, I'm so bad at these kind of things, when the rubber meets the road, they will come together to push the same messaging. If it's a lie. So that's why

I'm like, the timing, we have two years to see what happens in this. And I look at it as in like, hey guys, we all got to get on the same messaging. Either we all get with this, or we all get this, or we come together somewhere in between. I feel better if he's still identified with the GOP. So it's interesting

because I still see at the end of the day. Well, you can't identify with the GOP and not be MAGA, because Donald Trump will call you a rhino. So like, so throwing off the GOP is the only way to throw off MAGA. You can't, if you are a Republican inside of the MAGA coalition and you're not on board with everything that Donald Trump says, you get Bill Cassidy, you get Thomas Massey's, you get legitimately cast off until the wilderness. So saying that you throw off the GOP is saying that you, that you're not MAGA.

I agree with that. I'm saying that I think that as things get closer to 2028, if things stay the same, right, let's just say we're still in this war. The economy is still bad. Like the whole thing that you ran on on this populist message, people cannot believe in that anymore after watching you after this second term. They just can't. They can't hold on to it.

So a Tucker's message becomes more powerful. I'm saying that I just see that whoever runs in 2028 for them will all. rally around that. I guess is what I'm saying. I think he is signaling for them to change it or to jump on what he's saying. I guess is my point. And I think that whoever runs will eventually do that as well. I think they will have to separate themselves for Trump or Trump will back off and lean more into some of these things that are more popular within his party in light of this troubling economy, inflation, an unpopular war, all of that. I guess that's what I'm saying. So it's like of something to note, I just am I just, I'm not looking at this and like, oh, there's trouble within the GOP at this point. I'm not there yet with this message. I'm more concerned at what's happening right now after this, this New York race and how moderate Democrats are responding because they literally are dividing the party outright. And once again, just not getting it.

Yeah, according to Axios, moderate House Democrats are warning that they're prepared for, quote, war. Like, income income and Democratic socialists. What? They prefer for war. If DSA members try to hijack the House floor, they say. Now, this is all coming after New York congressional primaries on Tuesday served as a wake-up call for many Democrats on the Hill. DSA members, Dalia Liza, Avila Chevalier, and Claire Valdez, both won competitive primaries. There also was this video going around of a crowd at Valdez's victory party when Representative

Hakeem Jeffries is on CNN on the screen. This is how the crowd reacted. You're next. You're next. Your next. Your next. What are they saying? You're next.

Oh, shit. Okay. So let me say something about that real quick. I saw somebody point this out on Twitter because I like to, I'm a man of the people. people. So I am not offended as much by the centrist, Democrat, black people, right? I'm not. I'm not offended by them. I'm to the left of them. I'm not offended by them. I understand. I get it. They're my brothers and sisters. We can have disagreements. But I don't have to like, I don't have to agree with them all the way politically to understand that there's a safety that black Americans feel

with a lot of black Americans feel within the structure of the Democratic Party. I think it's fair to have a about whether or not that safety should continue to exist or whether or not we should start doing some other stuff. But I saw some people point out that the optics of a bunch of white people pointing to a screen where Hakeem Jeffries is up there and saying, you're next. It's not good. And they're right. They're right about that.

That cannot be just casually dismissed. And I've said this for a long time, and I'll continue to say it, the left, which the DSA, which is politically, probably, not politically, probably, was just politically my home, needs to understand some of the nuances of racial politics in America. And if you truly want to court black voters and black people, you're going to have to do that. Because the thing about the Republicans has always been, what the Republicans, you see a lot of people go, hey, why don't you guys vote Democrat? Why don't you guys get in?

Excuse me, vote Republican. Why don't you guys? Just give it a spin. Give it a spin. Why not? Why not? Why not? And the answer to the question is, you won't let us.

Black people that I know that are conservative that lean a little bit more conservative, they almost have to be moderate Democrats because the base of the Republican Party is so viciously racist. So viciously racist with the way they attack black people to build their political power that no black person with any type of race consciousness or self-esteem would ever be a Republican, ever be a Republican. Because in order to be a black Republican, you got to say shit like maybe we were better off during Jim Crow. And there's no coincidence that that was said. And then there was a political movement to sort of bring back Jim Crow, right? And the left has to learn that

lesson. The left has to learn the lesson of you're going to talk to us nice. Because if you don't talk to us nice, then we can't believe anything else that you say. The first thing that needs to happen with black people in this country from any political movement is an acknowledgement of history and of current time and an understanding. And if you're not prepared to do that, we won't be friends. And I'm on the left. I'm on the left. but that is a fact. If you're not prepared to do that, then we can't be friends.

So when someone says, hey, Hakeem Jeffries fucking sucks, but maybe don't point at the screen and go, you're next because that looks like a slave auction. Sorry. They were doing it to Cory Booker, too,

not saying you're next, but yelling at him, pointing at him at the Texas Democratic Convention too. Different reasons, money that he takes, but still the same. Optics look the same

of white. people yelling at a black politician. Optics look the same. Yeah, the Democrats, I don't know, Van, you answer the question. Why do you feel, I mean, other than power, right? Other than a fear of you losing your power

and your place within the system, why is the reaction so extreme? How is it so, why is it so hard for you to realize that writing a letter and trying to get other moderate publishing it and then trying to get other Democrats to sign it in order to fight against to fight within your party, intrafiting. How do you not realize that that is furthering the agenda of the other side? How do you not realize that the right is capitalizing on not the phrase democratic socialist but socialist.

They are literally taking that word and weaponizing it against this party and not even correctly, which is not shocking from the other side, saying what the initiatives are of the democratic socialist movement. And you are going to play ball pretty much with them by saying that they're a threat

and using words that we're at war within our party and not listening to the populist message of what the people are saying. Furthermore, I know the attention is on New York, and I know with Mumdani getting elected and then him putting his name and successfully being able to, the people he supported were able to beat out,

people who had been in Congress for years, people with maybe more extreme views, not maybe, more extreme views than Mumdani, and they're able to win. I understand that that's like maybe eye-opening for you, but it's also New York. If you look at races around the country, these aren't the type of people necessarily,

not necessarily, these aren't the type of Democrats that are winning their primaries. These aren't the type of Democrats that are even being positioned. The messaging in New York and what lands in New York is not going to be the same

that lands in an urban, a suburban place in a blue state. So the extreme reaction from the Democrats to show everybody that there's this fight within is like once again how are you not getting it I'm not saying that they shouldn't be paying attention to it but the way they're reacting can you help me

understand it because I'm like here we go again for different reasons but here we go again I would like to say that Brazil has tied this game is a highly anticipated round of 32 game Brazil seems to be matriculating down the field with the exuberance of the Jogo Benita beautiful game that they play in Brazil. They are attacking well and responding well, and Japan continues to press on. Okay. Now, so a couple of things. One, this was a closed primary in New York, where voters came out and voted for the candidates

that they wanted to vote for. And the Democrats lost. Excuse me. The Democrats didn't lose. The Democrats won. The center of the party lost. This was a closed primary. So it wasn't a bunch of Republicans coming in here. So closed primary in New York where they came out and the center of the party lost. All right. It's interesting that the Democrats or the classic centrist Democrats are doing this. It's interesting that they're going about this this way. They're going to war for their party. What I wanted them to do, was not go to war against the DSA. I wanted them to go to war against Joe Manchin and Kristen Cinema when they were holding up everything that would benefit black people in the party. Right? Like when Joe Manchin wouldn't vote for voting rights or Joe Manchin wouldn't vote for justice in policing.

When he wouldn't vote for that, I wanted them to go to war against him. But what I kept hearing was that they couldn't. What a valuable vote he was. What a valuable person. So all of the people that I'm talking to that we're having a conversation with that I see are like we have to go to war against the DSA. Well, it's not that I didn't want the Democrats to go to war. I wanted them to pick a different war.

I didn't want them to pick a war that is against the progressive wing of their party. I wanted them to pick a war that was stopping them from achieving the agenda parts of the agenda because parts of the agenda was achieved that they said that they wanted

parts of the agenda that I think a lot of black people voted for but they didn't choose that war they chose this war they chose like that's not the war that they chose right

now I'm not going to act I'm not going to be naive and say that like there weren't people who were calling out Joe Manchin and Kristen Cinema but I am saying that we had to drag them to that point.

There was no letter. Yeah, like we had to drag them to the point. We have to continuously ask like, you guys, you got a couple of people in your political cohort that don't seem to be on the same page with this. This stuff is important. Like, you guys have a couple of people that don't seem like they're on board. What is you guys are trying to do? And now we see that the assault on voting rights has been realized, right?

and those things aren't exactly a one-to-one, but there were always fissures inside of the party, and some of the fissures inside of that party had direct victims that looked like you and I. What I would also say about all of this is it's a bad look to me that they're able to muster this type of energy when we've been asking them

to muster this type of energy for years. I'm not talking about mansion in cinema directly right now. I'm talking about overall. I saw rhetorical and energetic unity from the Democratic Party against the DSA that I haven't seen since the Obama administration. And I am being serious.

And I think I know why. Why? I think that if you're talking about MAGA, MAGA is something that has to exist for the Democrats, the center of the Democratic Party to continue to be powerful. They have to have that enemy. They have to have that foil.

They have to have the people on the other side so they can say, you know what? It's actually about, it's not about what we are. It's about what they aren't. Like, you're, like, when I talked, well, of course it's, it's, that's not, it can only work for so long. So it's like, it's not about what we are.

What we are is that we're not them. And that allows them to fundraise. That allows them to go out and scare people into voting, voting for harm reduction, which is, I'm not casagating anybody that votes for harm reduction. I'm saying sometimes I vote is for harm reduction, right? If Kamala Harris was president right now, I don't believe that we would be in Iran. I believe that Alex Freddie and Renee Good would be alive. I believe that so many of our brown compadres around the country would be better. I believe things would be better for black people because some of the people, because some of the people.

the environmental catastrophes that we've seen the Trump administration take their hands off the wheel on, they would still be there, some of the protections for, I think things would be better, markedly better, if Kamala Harris was president, despite any critiques that I have of foreign policy or even some of the domestic policy that the Biden administration had. The Biden administration was actually better on some of that stuff than they get credit for. I digress. I know people right now that their student loans are fucked up and going through the roof because all that stuff was rolled back.

So there is a cost. So voting for harm reduction isn't necessarily this terrible thing that everybody says it is. You would prefer to vote for the way that you want the country to be and not for the way that you want the country not to be. But it's not possible all the time, right? So I get that. I'm not, you know, making a whole set of observations about that. What I am saying, though, is that in this particular situation, the DSA is not a threat to the power. they're not a threat to the,

they're a threat to both the power and the identity of the Democratic Party. This is about actual losing power. MAGA actually helps the power of the Democratic Party. How bad they get, gives people a binary to where they can come say,

look at this terrible shit that's going on. We need more money. We need more cities. We need that. Then when they get in power, we get to hear about all the reasons they can't govern. The DSA is something different.

The DSA is an ex-execis. threat to the belief system, the norms, the values, and the operation of power within the party. They seek to realign it. They seek to distance themselves away from Israel. They seek to distance themselves away from corporate donors. They seek to distance themselves away. That is directly striking at the heart of the corporate Democrat in a way that not even MAGA does. So the fight is existential.

The fight isn't political. the fight is they are trying to replace us. If you guys remember that slogan, that's what it is. So they are fighting harder than what they fought against MAGA. Because to be honest with you, the MAGA fight, even though I'm not saying that they don't want to beat MAGA, because a lot of the Senate Democrats I know are very good people, right? We might have different ways.

I'm not saying that they don't want to beat MAGA or they, but the worse it gets, the better it is for them. What the DSA is saying, whether or not you agree, is that things don't have to be this way, is that there is a world where your health care, your son or daughter going to war, your wages, all of that stuff can come first.

And the people in New York, they didn't vote on vibes. They had six months with Mom Donnie to see if he could govern at all, to see if there was anything to what he was saying, and they decided that it was. The smart way to go about this would be to actually lean,

into the bullshit that you've been feeding people, which is that there is a big tent in the party and say, hey, let's section the tent off. Let's go to places where, and the DSA would have to be involved in this too. Let's govern in places, or let's run candidates in places like you said, where people are into this, they're amenable to this,

and in places where they're not, let's run people who can win there. But let's also understand that there is, and this is just real. There is a growing trend in America that looks at Israel, that looks at corporate donation,

that looks at a fight for wage growth and health care as a litmus test to how serious you are as a politician. Well, it should be that way. It really, really should be that way. And that's what I don't understand. I feel like you and I are having a common sense conversation on how to build within the Democratic Party. how to have a unified democratic message rather than feel like the intrafiting and feel and and and and thinking how can I hold on to my power because I don't understand how it's not resonating to Democrats that your constituents are looking at you and they're saying you've been in office how long and how long has my situation been like this what hope do I have that my situation is going to change and they're looking at somebody else who's saying I see you

and this is how I can make it better. Because what I feel like gets missed a lot of times when people talk about democratic socialists is they're not trying to abolish a system. They're trying to figure out a way to work within the system to benefit people. And I don't think that that gets talked enough about. So if you're fighting against people

who are trying to work in a system so it can help people and the common good and make their lives better, what exactly are you really fighting against? it seems like you're fighting to keep the status quo and for things to remain the same, including for you to remain in your position, rather than listening to me telling you exactly what it is that I need or how my life is not getting better. That is how the other side won.

I understand very well point made about what MAGA does within the party versus what DSA stands to do. But I just don't understand how you can continue to fight and think that you're going to maintain your position in power in places like New York or D.C. when we see what's happening, when people are telling you exactly what they need and are just asking to be better. And I'm watching from the time you were in office, it hasn't been that way. So how are you not saying as a person, say this a lot, you know, whether we're talking for what's happened in Texas or in other places. There has to be unity.

There has to be a unified message. You have to have, get on the same page. You have to be listening to people. And if you don't, you will be pushed out, particularly in these deep blue states, these big cities where people are truly filling it where cost are even higher than they are in other blue places. I just, it's so simple to me.

And I think you can maintain your power if you can cede a little bit. Now, you might lose money, to your point. You might not get the same donors that you are, and maybe that's what's motivating you, but you will lose your place and power. You will continue to be unpopular as long as people keep feeling exactly the way that they are. And here you have people saying,

I'm trying to make it better for you. And that is exactly what you're fighting against. It's going to keep getting worse for you. You are fighting against people wanting a better life in this country. It's really that simple to me. So I've, I mean, that's well-puted. I mean, I don't want to, I've already talked too much.

But you're, to me, to see, I think that these battle lines are clearly drawn, but to see this much energy. Yeah. And to see them be on the same page like this from a charge that's mounting from the left of them inside of their own constituency or cohort. And to see them get like this, They think that it's, that it reflects well on them, but really it doesn't. Really, it looks like, where has this been? Because we've talked about so. I've already said enough.

I, it's just, it's funny. Like, I see, like, Jamie Harrison going crazy. Mm-hmm. No issue with Jamie Harrison. No issue with him. But I see him with a, it feels different. It feels different. It feels like this is who they actually think the enemy is.

Not Maga. It feels like this is who they actually think the enemy is. And if the enemy is getting out of foreign wars, not sending so much money to Israel, if the enemy is wage growth for people, if the enemy, if the enemy is free buses, if the enemy is free child care, paid family leave and child care, if the enemy, if that's the enemy, I got to wonder who the allies are. I just, it's a fair question. But isn't it glaring?

That's what I'm saying. if they're the enemy, then who have you been this entire time? How are you not listening to when Trump or Republicans or anybody from the GOP starts criticizing what's happening in New York and saying, oh, this is communism? How are you just not saying that's exactly not what it is? It's about making a letter a better life for people. Like, how are you not fighting against? I just, this drives me crazy because it is so telling to who you truly are as a person.

politician. And even if you aren't that, you're letting your power, you're letting your donors, you're letting whatever it be outweigh the needs of what the very people you're supposed to be fighting for are. And that's telling in itself now. I can't see that your heart is really about the people if the other things are outweighing it. And that is what it feels right now. So your messaging is now getting fucked up within the party because I'm looking at you like, what are you protecting? Because it's not the people at this point. And it makes the DSA's message more and more attractive as time goes on.

Rachel, are you a socialist? I like what the Democratic. I like what the Democratic Socialists are. I don't think that's the same thing. But I like what the Democratic Socialists stand for. How could you not? I'm not asking you because like there's a lot of people out there that are hitting me up. And they, you know, they're like,

you somebody called you comrade Lindsay and they reached out to me they were like if I'm a comrade because I want people to be able to afford health care like that's the thing it's like people aren't looking at it

even if even some Democratic socialists believe in free health care and some people believe you could have both and you can have private health care like there's variations within it if that makes me a comrade then I'm a comrade I'm sorry I believe in people I'm sorry I'm

I believe in people not struggling. Like, what do they keep saying? You can be rich. It just means that they don't have to be poor. I believe in taxing the rich. It's tough. It's tough. It's actually tough. I mean, the rich people control the means of production and all of that stuff.

So, like, the capitalism, capitalism is actually, I know, we're not going to get to this whole conversation. Capitalism is actually those people controlling the economy and then dictating what everybody else gets. When people say that they're against capitalism, people think that they're against people going in stores and buying. You remember, Butch talked to us a little bit about this or people making money. What people are against is money essentially controlling the economic and political structures of society. That these people hoarding wealth, basically capitalizing off of your work, keeping it for themselves and then paying you subsistence wages, that is the system that people are trying to break. And I will say this over and over and over again.

That system and its flaws are being increasingly illuminated in an American economic reality where people can see the shape of the economy. Where people can see it, where it's like, there's no way you can get rounded. They can see that there is a trillionaire and their wages aren't wrong. Exactly, exactly.

And so like, you know, so like that kind of stuff is going to be hard to be. You know trickle down economics does not work. It's not landing to you just because they're getting breaks. It's not coming down to you. They don't care. Because as they monopolize, they just make things more expensive. Exactly. Because it doesn't impact them.

It's that simple. The fact that people are even bought into that shit. It doesn't get cheaper for you. We're winning. Okay. Look, there's people going to be so mad. It'd be so upset. But no, I see the whole thing.

This is upset. Oh, Rachel, I want to pop a video on that you've never seen before and get your response to the video. I don't like it. Look. Rain says my butt smells good, doesn't it, Randy? Wait, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Start it the fuck over because the voice started before the video. Rain says my butt smells good, doesn't it, Randy?

How is it, Randy? Yep. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why was I just subjected to Randy and that woman? Because, I tell you why.

Because. That poor horse. Justice for Randy. These are the, now, justice for Randy is right. These are the people. And you guys should be watching the podcast if you haven't seen that video. These are the people that, like, Like she should be arrested

I don't think that right First off The fact that she recorded it lets us know That she's been subjecting Randy to this for a while And like what What? Like Randy was literally being like Get out of my face.

Go away. This is that I'm I'm disturbed I'm disturbed Almost as much as I wasn't the last rant Have we You want to put her on the podcast? For what?

I'd rather have Randy. That's the one. Randy's the one who needs our help. What are the comments saying? Did you do an autopsy? I mean, I looked at the comments, and obviously, that video was like, it kind of went viral. I'm looking at the comments, and some people seem like they're going along with the joke. I was so appalled that you have to be shown.

Goffrey, shout out to Gawfrey. Gawfrey also, he did a little talk. You know how you put the video in the shit, and then you talk about the video? Yeah. What did he say as Randy? He got a different video because she's done a different video where she was kind of trying to, Randy was, whatever she was doing with Randy and Gawfrey was talking about it. Once again, old white guy inside of me, I thought about calling someone. I thought about like tagging the ASPCA or tagging like a group to stop that.

That's not right. That can't be tolerated. Certain things I'm not going to tolerate. And that's one of them. I'm not tolerating that. This is another example where that is okay. Can we name that guy within you? What's his name?

Burt. Yeah, I was thinking something short, like an Ed, Ted. Burt works. Burt. This is the time for, it's okay for Burt to come out right now. This is a Burt moment. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So go back now and tap. They give you another Burt moment? No. I give you another Burt. Is it this? Is it on this level? It's not this. It's a different moment. Okay.

It's a different moment. So, you know, New York isn't my, New York isn't my spot. I come to New York all the time, but New York isn't my spot. This is day spot. You know, this is the New Yorker spot. New Yorkers own New York.

And, you know, it's summer. So, like, I could see wearing one in the winter, but if I'm walking around New York in the summer, and you got a shiasty on, I, I just feel, I don't know, you know,

it's like, I'm like, kind of pat them down, what you got on you, you know? Like, it's like, it's, I see some of the,

I see shysties, it's shyses. People are wearing shyses in New York. I've seen the shyses. I've seen them. And so like, I don't want to be the type of, but it makes me a little,

I'm like, what's going to, what you got a shysty on? Like, why you got, why would you be wearing a shisdney? In New York. Bert would ask.

would ask. Or he'd walk on the other side of the street. Bert would walk on the other side of the street or Bert would like, look at an officer and be like, you know, like, this is. But I don't think that's funny. Nobody lasts at this. You don't think that like, I think people getting patted down and then being asked. Oh my God. Are we here again? That's funny to me, man. What's wrong with me? What's got on you? I got anything on you? I got anything. you know why it's not funny to me i guess because like it's like deeply rooted in racism there's literally an amendment about this don't act like this is why it's not funny to me don't well i know i know what you do think it's funny what you had a cat name vagina i know you

like that you like okay if i think he's funny you think that's funny you think tuckers funny that's deeply rooted and that's deeply rooted in sexual assault it is you think that's funny you think how could you say that's funny it's not funny. It's the way his accent is funny. It was funny. It was funny. Anyway. I'm disturbed by that

video. I don't like this segment. A horse. Randy. So every once in a while now, I'm just going to pop up videos and videos that Rachel's never seen. She's going to react to him in real time. I don't want to say the name of the lady from the Randy video. You'll be able to see it. Why? when we play it. It's disgusting.

Why won't you say her name? It's because, like, it feels like it's bigger her up for what I believe is the abuse of an animal. I don't think Randy didn't look, Randy's eyes didn't look right in that. Randy might be dead, by the way, because, like, when I looked at the video, it's like, if you look at the caption, she says she misses Randy. So maybe somebody got Randy out of there. Maybe we put Randy on the underground horse railroad, get him to freedom. I mean, she's bragging about it. She says it's my most viral video.

yet. Yeah. It's this it's bestiality disgusting bullshit. I mean, look, she made it to higher learning. You know what it is though?

It's what she says. Like if he was just nudging her from behind like playfully and playing with her like it looked like but she's like no, he's smelling my butt. Like it's that's where it's bad. Otherwise I'd be like, oh like her horse is just playing with her. He's looking for attention or something like that.

But she's like specifically, no. let me tell you guys. It's not, I don't know. It's not funny. Maybe I'm, maybe I don't have a sense of humor. Sorry. It came off the other segment.

I'm ramped up. Do you, so just to let you guys know, Draymond Green, oh shit, inmates have reportedly overpowered guards and taking control of a North Carolina jail, parts of a North Carolina jail. Hmm.

This is, the Bertie Martin Regional Detention Center. and Burdy County, North Carolina inmates overpowered three on-duty guards supervising 88 inmates. With one guard escaping and two taking hostage, negotiations led to the safe release of the two hostages and multiple groups of inmates,

including approximately 80 inmates removed from a facility. The incident ended with all inmates and staff of counterfeit safety, no fatalities. And the facility cleared by SBI. and the FBI. So it looks like it's over, but there was a little dust up there as people tried to

assert their freedom after they were, you know, being taking control of there. Shout out to all the abolitionists out there. Shout out of Markle on my hill. All right. I don't know. There's really not too much podcasting left

besides one story that I want to get your your take on. Actually, did you put this in the chat or did I? You definitely put this in. Social Security Administration announced that in 2025, the baby name, quote, Donald, hit his lowest point of popularity in U.S. history. The agency received fewer than 400 Social Security card applications for baby Donald's last year,

making Donald the nation's 690th most popular baby name. It peaked in popularity in 34 when more than 30,400 American babies received the name. So that's a huge drop in Donald's popularity for babies. interesting thing is even in Florida Florida only 21 baby boys named Donald last year and it's on part with the names Abner Enoch Stone and Eris

and it's slightly behind Mohammed Cash Maximus Kianu and Truce Mohammed slightly behind Mohammed.

Naming of Donald. What was interesting to you, the fact that it's slightly behind that Muhammad is ahead of it? No, it's interesting to me that the name Donald could get the Adolphing. Well, the article does say it peaked almost a hundred years ago. So it's been on the decline. I don't think it, I mean, do you have a lot of Donald's in your life? I don't know a lot of Donald's. I know, I know, I know, nigga, Donald, it was Donald Jarrell that went to McKinley.

I know some Donald's. Yeah, I just don't think it's that big of a name, period, and now even more so, sure. But, like, it peaked. But what I'm saying is, it would be interesting because you don't, Donald is like a, there was, the Adolf, you don't see Adolf a lot anymore. You don't see it. And at one point, Adolf was kind of like a normal name. Was it really a normal name? Like, it was a really popular name?

Yeah. I mean, it was decently popular. Okay, are you familiar with Rupp Arena? Do you know what that is? No. Rupp Arena is where the Kentucky Wildcats play, or at least they used to play. I don't know if they still play at Rupp Arena. I'm probably, I'm sure that they do.

He was a legendary coach for Kentucky. His first name, Adolf, Adolf. Adolf Rupp. Okay, okay. Adolf Caesar from the color purple. and was the war movie with all the all black cast. Adolf Caesar, old black man actor. Oh, black guy.

Adolf Caesar. There was some Adolfs around. And then, like, Hitler came around and it was like, no more Adolf. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. What did you say? Before World War II, it was a pretty common. In German speaking in Scandinavian countries.

Right. Pretty popular name. Now you can't really get away with the whole Adolf situation. You know? Now, let me see. Hold on for a second. I don't think that Hitler's name. So Hitler's name and Rupp's name are spelled different.

Adolf Hitler is A-D-O-L-F. Adolf Rupp is A-D-O-L-P-H. I think young Dolph might have even been named Adolph. I do think so. Hold on. I do. I think rest and peace of Dolph, man. always get the money

yeah his name was Adolf his name was Adolf his name was Adolf with the D-O-L-P-H Young Dolph but even that name now is not the sound of the name whatever it's not

people don't use it as much and so maybe Donald could be following down the same track Donnie who wants to be called Donald Donald Donald is Trump Trump Donnie do you feel anyway do you feel anyway

just because like there's a closeness Yeah, I always have, though, because growing up, I've always been jokingly called Donald or people would assume that Donnie is short for Donald. So the name Donald always irks me because the beginning of it sounds like my name. So it peaks my attention and then it's not. And then there's just so many people in my life who have purposely annoyed me by calling me out of my name. Is that why you did not want to, is that why you did not want to do a third? Well, no, that's not why.

I don't know. It was because I didn't want the confusion in the household. Somebody saying Donnie and I was like, which one are you talking to? The little one or the big one. That kind of happened a little bit in my world. That's trauma. Don't have passed that along. My dad went by Terry.

So whenever somebody was saying Van, like it was me. So he went by Terry. Donnie, what's your real name then? Is Donnie. Donnie, Donnie Glenn Beechson, Jr. Is this a, are we all family? What? Can I say something?

Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. I don't like that shit. You don't like that it's Donnie and not Donald? I don't like people whose proper name is a nickname. Oh, we've kind of established this. I feel like this happened very early. Like my first time on the podcast, you said something about it being weird.

like if I were to grow up and it's like I can't you can't imagine I think you said something I can't imagine a 60 year old Donnie and I was like well there is one my dad at the time was like 63 and then he heard this and he hasn't fucked with you since

well so I was at a damn man I don't know he don't like you I'm mad that this is the first time we're hearing about this because that's hilarious We never heard about this. It is, it is, but like, even, even my dad. My dad has an incomplete name.

What's your dad's name? Sam. Sam. But no, sometimes, a lot of times people try to say Samuel. I mean, maybe. Maybe Samuel is a thing. Sam is kind of different, I would think. But, like, what if his name was Sammy?

What if your dad's name was Sammy Lindsay? Like, Sammy is a cute, Sam is short. But Sammy is like a cute variation of Samuel, Sammy or Sam. Hey, Sammy. Hey, Sammy, what's going on? Like, my name was Vanny. Is that how you— Is that how you feel about Donnie?

Because, Donnie, I prefer Donnie. He's literally the same thing. Donnie, I prefer Donnie way more than Donald. Way more than Donald. Oh, yeah. I prefer Donnie way more than—I know a lot of Donnie's, right? I've known Donnie's. The Donnie with the IE is an interesting choice, but I know a lot of Donald.

lot of Donnie's, right? Like, I've known Donnie, Lonnys. Donnie Hathaway is Donnie. He is, yep, his name is Donnie Edward Hathaway, that, born in 1945, that there is some precedent to that. Donnie Hathaway has his real name is not Donald?

Nope. Donnie Hathaway. Donny Hathaway. How does Dony Hathaway spell his name? He's got the Y. So, it's different. Why? Okay, the Donnie.

Who made you the name? This is Bert. This is Bert. This is some bird shit. I don't know if this is Bert. This is some bird. The fact that you were policing names and names spellings. I'm not policing names.

The audacity. I'm just saying. I'm saying that like there is a thing. You know what? People police names all the time. People say, you know, like people name their kids Apple or something like that. People go to disagree. I don't even do that.

I'm just saying that like it is interesting when people have a nickname as their regular name. When they have a nickname as a name that they go by. Right? Like if you met somebody in their real name was Babs, that's a real name. Babbs Martin. Babs is what you're called barber. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you name somebody Joey. Joey is short. There are a lot of Joey's. Joey? Yeah, I knew of Joey. Hold on. Maybe not Joey.

Joey's a bad example. But like somebody that has a playful nickname as their regular name. Like my dad, my dad will go about Terry. I remember one time, man. Yeah, Terry. Rest and peace of dad. I remember one time, man, I was watching this movie called Mom and Dad Save the World.

And in that movie, it stars John Lovitz, another guy that got in trouble for, like, child porn. Not John Lovitz, but the other guy did. And so it was a woman named Terry Gar. And my dad was like, this movie's crazy. Like, what you're watching? I was like, watching a movie with Terry Gar, John Lovitz, mom and dad saved the world. It's like her name is Terry because Terry is a girl's name and that's your name. I'll never forget this.

He didn't even trip. He was like, oh, you think I'm a woman? And I'm like, no. I did not think I'm not saying that at all. He goes, yes, she did. You just called me a bitch. And he goes, here's the thing about a bitch, son. When you see a bitch, you got to kick his ass.

boy I was sitting there and I was like this is it maybe like 12 or 13 whatever that movie came out I was sitting there on cable

I was thinking this is it this niggas about to kill me he just threatened me to a fight it's over he's like

when you see a bitch kick his ass so at any time you think your daddy's a bitch just go I'll give you the first three and then he got up he put his hat on and he left and I sat there

in fear. He had to like, it never happened. He came back later on all jolly and shit. This is what this nigga used to do. This nigga used to put the fear of God into you and then come back and have a big hamburger. Hey, hey, come over here and eat something with your daddy and I'm like, you're not going to kill me, are he? He's like, no.

You bite the burger, see if the burger's poison or whatever. But like he, he, he, I just, you just never know with him. You never knew. His nigga was crazy. You never knew. Anyway, so I made fun of his name and then he did that. But Donnie, I'll send your dad something out.

Like, how can I make this right? You can send him some barbecue after you send Joe's dad some barbecue. My dad got next. Your dad got next. So Joe's dad gets the barbecue first and then your dad. I'm going to send Joe's dad to barbecue, I think, this week. And then I'll get to your dad after that. All right.

Mr. Beecham, I apologize. Yeah, he needs a card. Put some respect on his name. Yeah. That's funny. Donnie's been holding that one in. I mean. Yeah, Donnie's.

Dad hasn't fuck with me since. That's crazy. That man, I don't know about Mr. Beecham, I apologize. Just because it came up

semi recently, like within the past three months. I was like, dang, he didn't forget about that shit. Oh, before we leave,

put a picture on the, real quick, two minutes, put a picture on the screen real quick. I don't know who these guys are. So I'm not even going to pretend like, I know who these guys are.

But, you know, I mean, wait, wait, wait, we got to talk about. This says born to ride Donald J. Trump.

Born to ride Donald J. Trump. My God. Like, my God, born to ride, Donald J. Trump. So when you zoom in, I will not to give them some slack, it does say four really, really tiny above the 45. Oh, wow. I don't know why I thought that said 2018. for some reason.

Like, I don't know. My eyesight is getting worse. Donnie, can I tell you something? Yes. What you just said makes it worse. Because if you wanted people to see the four, you would have made the four bigger. Yeah.

What you want people to take away from that is that you are born to ride Donald J. Trump at the bottom. It should say from the back. Oh. Okay. Just get graphic with it. Have you guys lost your dick riding minds? This is a pro dick riding jacket.

We're not just getting in the situation where we have to call out dick riding. We're in a situation now where we're in an existential fight against people who are advertising dick riding. Nothing that I've done on this podcast in my battle against dick riding has been effective. because these guys who look like they're down the tough guys or bikers or something, they are saying not only do they dick ride, they are born to dick ride. Yeah, Van.

Born for it. Have you ever thought that maybe that's exactly what these people want to do? Like, you're anti the dick riding, but these people might, this might be what they want to do. Well, if that is the case, I think that it's pretty appropriate and apt for me to call it out because you shouldn't want that. It's a lot of things that people want that they shouldn't want it.

You should not want to ride a nigger's dick. And if you are riding a niggas dig, there should be shame involved. You should dick riding and go home and splash water on your face and look in the mirror and go, what am I doing? Like, is this really what I set out to do? Like, what is going on in my life? People should, you know, you splash, your water,

your wife comes in, she goes, what's going on with you, honey? And you just look in the mirror and you go, nothing. And the reason why you go nothing is because you're answering her question, but both you're looking in the mirror and you're also seeing that you're nothing. Because if you are a dick rider, you are nothing. If you are a dick rider, what you are doing is making somebody else's life accomplishments and goals more important than what you think. Dick riding is the worst possible thing that one can do other than like, you know,

injure people and abuse people and stuff like that. But it leads to all of that. It also leads to people excusing that. I revolt and rebuke dick riders in all forms and fashions and I do not see why anyone would be proud of it. And these guys said that they were born for it.

They were born to be on the next man's dick. What the fuck is going on? I'm not breaking through. I'm not breaking through. Nothing that I've said matters. Nothing that I've said matters. And this is really how to hold GOP. There's a lot of people out there that are born the dick ride, but they don't know it.

I haven't realized it yet. Okay. Oh, it is there. Brazil won't. I don't do it anymore. That depressed me, man. Born to dick ride. Born to ride, Donald Trump.

How do you find these things? Do people send them to you? They have to send these things. People say, hey, Van Lathen, they put the cat to your dick riding. like I just dick rider is at an all-time high is there's no way to stop it the internet facilitates two things dick riding and hating which is both the same thing hating and dick riding that's it like you try to have a conversation with somebody and they say something that's so dick-riding that you don't even know how to continue the conversation or they just

like blindly hating i really wake up every day let objectivity live in my brain god please whatever We got to go. Brazil one, they just scored. I think they scored an extra time. And so what I'm looking forward to now is the Brazilian side, being able to really survive this spirited charge from Japan and continue to move on with their different set pieces and the way they corner kick and the way they kick the ball all around.

They kick it from close. They kick it from deep. The goalkeeping, they manage, they can stay on side when they do their things. They can, you know, shuffle around. and really be lively. So they're a lively team, their historic team, they're a world power,

and we'll see if they can continue to move on here in the World Cup in what's known as the knockout stages, the knockout rounds. Round of 32. What great commentary. What great analysis? See what I'm saying?

See? It takes nothing to support. Yeah. I mean, you were, it was right above their, kicking a ball. It is black and white. It's there on a green field. There are two goals. One team has to win. One team has to lose. Everything you just say is true. We got to go. And, you know, there's a lot of people, I'm going to talk about people on the next podcast that were really very, very mean to me over the whole AACB rocky thing.

Yeah, that's unnecessary. Be who you are. Like a lot of people, what do you mean? You want to look like ASAP? You want to look like ASAP? What I'm saying is, is a lot of people talk about how ugly I am or how I am not attractive. And I'll say this, I'll say this.

You know, I'm going to talk deeply about this Thursday. Actually, you know what? That's a teaser. Thursday I might have a conversation because I notice one thing in common about everyone who called me ugly, which is the word I don't like to lose. There's one thing in comment about all of them.

We'll talk about it on Thursday. One thing they all had in comment. All right. Tell you things, caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen, Jr. I am Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair.

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