Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Epstein Distractions, Dr. Umar vs. 50 Cent, and Van’s N-Word Game

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

Van and Rachel discuss the dysfunction in the FBI and the Trump administration as a whole in the lead-up to the release of more Epstein files. Plus, Keith Edwards sparks debate on criticisms of candidates. Then, Dr. Umar weighs in on the Netflix Diddy documentary, and Van introduces a new game. (0:00) Intro (3:48) Dysfunction in the FBI (29:57) Epstein distractions (39:32) Vivek Ramaswamy and the American dream (47:03) Keith Edwards and Jasmine Crockett (1:23:52) Dr. Umar vs. 50 Cent (1:38:47) Van’s N---a Number Game (1:59:55) Young Thug proposes to Mariah the Scientist Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yeah, yo, Thought Warriors. Let's put your glasses on. What is up? High Learning is on. Is Ivan Lathan Jr.? And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel, what the hell's going on? How's your road to recovery with your eyes?

It's good. I'm back. I'm back. You're back all the way. I'm just outside. I'm wearing makeup. Why are you? Because I don't have my lashes yet.

I can't get in for my lash appointment. So I feel like it looks better with glasses. My medas. The glasses hide the lashes? I feel like they do. They probably don't. But I feel like. I like the glasses look.

I got some compliments on them in the last podcast. Yeah, I think the meta glasses. Yeah. As a woman, what's the most essential beauty accessory? Oh. So let me frame the question. You feel like if you are a lady, because, you know, the lashes are important and different stuff,

but above all other things, you have to have this. What's the most important beauty accessory? Because it's not lashes. For me, it is because I have big eyes. Okay. Like, if you don't, I don't think you need lashes like I do. That's just me.

I think it's eyebrows. Eyebrows. You've got to have like an eyebrow pencil liner. That's the eyebrows are the most to me important accessory. Shape your face. The whole thing. Yeah, like it pops. It makes it just.

So if you don't have the eyebrows, then that's going to bring the overall product down. I think so. That would be the one thing that I, if I had to choose one, it would be my eyebrow. pencil. Jay, what are your thoughts? I think for me a nice a nice blush, nice highlight. A blush? Oh, wow. Yeah, some blush. I think blush can, you know, make some... It makes a pop. Yeah, makes a pop. Yeah,

it gives you that rosy cherub look. Exactly. Rosie cherub look. Do like this in your nose. Oh, no, I got a little booger? That's not booger, but it was something there. Oh, okay. I appreciate that. I have to. I can't stand people who just look and stare at you. Don't tell you got something in your teeth or your nose. I'm not embarrassed by that. It's something that happens. I think I know what the single most important. As a man, what do you think?

Yeah. For a woman? Yeah. Ass. Okay, but like, that's already, okay. That's a body part. Beauty was the thing. But noted, guys, because he was quick with that.

You know, there's really nothing to me because I can't tell. You can't tell. Yeah. There's really nothing to me. Y'all all look pretty to me. But you would if we didn't. Maybe. Like if I had no eyebrow pencil, if I, that's really all I have on right now.

Right. I'm never. Chapped lips. We'll say it again. I'll say it again. I understand makeup and makeup is very important. But I think women look prettier without makeup. It's not my place to get into the makeup situation.

You always look a little bit better. I like to see how your actual face looks. I actually like to see a couple little bumps. To me, it humanizes. That's important. I had a guy one time that asked me to take my makeup off. That nigger was just trying to be. I could tell you who it was.

But they asked me to take my makeup. Oh, you know who it? I know. They asked me to take my makeup off. That was just control, though. And I was so young. I was like, and then like I took my makeup off. Like at first I got offended.

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terms at fanduil.com slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash terms. A couple of things to get to no answers from Brown about the shooter. Nothing. They had something and then they didn't have what they thought they had. They identified the wrong person. Yeah, Donnie? Yeah, the

search has continued. FBI director, Cash Patel, wrote a statement on X that the FBI is offering a reward of up to $50,000 for, quote, information leading to the identification arrest and conviction of a suspect. They've released images and video of a person of interest, but President Trump spoke on the response from the FBI, and this is what he had to say. Has Cash Patel told you why it's been so difficult for the FBI to identify who the shooter is? Well, it's always difficult. So far, we've done a very good job of doing it with Charlie. with, you know, the various times this has happened.

They've done it in pretty much record time. But you'd really have to ask the school a little bit more about that because, you know, this was a school problem. They had their own guards. They had their own police. Come the fuck on. It's in fact never difficult. It's never difficult to apprehend the perpetrator of a mass shooting.

It is normally part of the entire mass shooting thing. to get that guy, it's difficult for these bunch of slap dicks, but it's almost never hard. We almost know who the person is immediately or like right in the hours following. Yeah, yeah. What always ceases to amaze me is how

it's never, they never are accountable or responsible in any kind of way. Trump's like, oh, it's the school, it's a school, that's their problem, what? Then why is the FBI involved? Then why are you speaking on it right now? Of course this is something that the administration has to be tapped into or the president of the United States should be concerned about. But it's never their fault.

Like, aren't you tired? Aren't you tired of always having to put the blame on somebody else? It's fake. It's lying. It's whatever it may be. It's always the responsibility of the blame goes elsewhere. Unless it's good, of course. So when they capture, because let's hope that that happens, the person responsible, then it will be this is what we do.

You know, we have the best, we have a great FBI. We were on top of it. Well, what happened at being the school's problem? Yeah. Cash Patel is the worst person at his job in all of America. In all of America? Because there's some competitors. Who else?

Pete Hegseth? I think he's worse at his job than Pete is. I mean, you could. I know we'll talk about it, but Dan Bonjino? I think he's worse. You think Cash Patel is worse. He's the worst. Go ahead, make the case.

for us. I mean, you compare them to those guys. RFK Junior, there's so many. RFC Jr. is up there. Yeah, there's so many. I think Cash Patel is by far the worst because I think he's had the most to do. He's had some high profile things. I think he had the old Charlie Kirk assassination. Mungle looking crazy and stupid. I think he's had this as well as some of the other things we've seen going on. I think he sucks. he's a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible director of the FBI.

Okay? He's terrible. He's bad. It's, it's, it's remarkable to me. It's a joke. Yeah. But it's not funny, right? It's a joke that's not funny.

Funny to me. You know what I feel like, and this goes with the cash Patel of it all? We constantly talk about the Democrats and their messaging. I think it's, we got to start talking about the right and their messaging. I think that they are. are we gave them credit for how they'll unify and they'll lie together and they'll do all of this and push these narratives that they know are false and they all get on the same page and do it unlike, you know, the Democrats or whatever and they're more, they've been effective in that way.

But they're starting to have a messaging problem of their own. And I think we need to talk about that more. Things are crumbling and starting to fall apart. It's not just with the FBI. It's not just the Dan Bongino of it all. But they're messaging. They've, it's almost as if they've flown too close to the sun. All the lies are catching up with the FBI. It's not just the Dan Bonino of it all. It's catching up with them now to now they have to face, I guess, the repercussions of or the fallout of these things that they've been lying about. I mean, if you think about it, health care, is it's a problem. Epstein files, the Department of War, as they call it, has been an issue. The FBI, as we're talking about, Israel, Palestine is another thing. Like, their messaging is

starting to fall apart. People are starting to question it. People are starting to defect. People are starting to have to leave the positions that they were appointed to. I mean, it's, it's falling apart. It's been happening for a while. It's been happening. And we, we constantly, and we should, we should hold everybody accountable. But I think we need to highlight more that their messaging is not as effective as it used to be. Yeah, it's an interesting point. I don't know that it's, their messaging not being effective is consequential in any way. I think it's consequential for them, but what does it mean for the American people. Well, I mean, you could argue that November, it's been consequential.

What happened with the elections there? No, what I mean is it's certainly a development. I'll put to you like this. When I'm talking about the Democrats messaging floundering or flailing, I'm talking about that because I believe that the policy to a degree that is at the center of the messaging is important for people. So it's important to talk about the messaging because the messaging is connected to the policy.

And the policy to me is stuff that people need, whether it's health care, whether it's, you know, policing bills, voting rights, whatever it would be. So it's important to message correctly to things that people need. This messaging not working actually has nothing to do with anything that's about policy, the health care stuff notwithstanding. It actually has more to do with the fact that their coalition is cracking because of their strongman is withering. So what's happening with the right

and particularly the MAGA right is they don't know when to put daddy, their daddy in an old folks home. They're not sure when to put daddy in a nursing home. It's obvious right now that they should put daddy in a nursing home, but daddy

still wants to drive. Daddy wants to drive his car and the right can't take his keys. There are people in the right right now Whether they be Jady, Vance, whomever it would be, all of these people who are silently bucking Trump, who they, what they want to do is they want to go over to elderly dad and say, hey, you shouldn't drive anymore. Right. But he's saying, I can still drive.

Well, they're actually putting gas in the car for him. Yeah, well, yeah. But so what's happening is like when you see, and this is, you know, to a degree, like all over the right, you know, you have the Goyper, right, who is in full rebellion against. Trump and Trumpism, even like Matt Walsh tweeted last night that the president's address was useless. And that in it of itself is sort of remarkable. Yeah. Because it's an opinion he doesn't have to give.

He's just kind of sick of it. And Trump looked feeble last night. And the messaging again, he's still blaming things on Biden, everything. Like, that's not working. anymore. It's not working to the same level that it used to. But I guess what I'm saying is that that messaging worked because Trump was strong. It's not that it worked because... Oh, you think physically? No. He was strong politically. It's the, the messaging was never about anything. The strength of the president. And the hold that he had on his movement is what made the

messaging work. And I'm talking about the Democrats and their messaging. I'm talking about the fact that they don't know how to communicate four and to Americans about what Americans actually need. On this side, we're talking about cracks in propaganda, which is... Which is what got them elected. It's more of an indictment of the strength of President Trump and MAGA-ism than it is anything else. But that's been the driving force to get them elected for them running the Senate and the House. That messaging, propaganda, whatever you want to call it, you're right. It wasn't rooted in anything real.

It hasn't been the messaging. It's been Donald Trump. So it hasn't been because the message itself doesn't matter as much as the guy that's saying it. I think we're saying this. I get what you're saying. You're making a distinction between that. But it is Donald Trump and what he says and what his messaging is, is my point. But I just find it interesting because as we're watching things crumble,

got to talk about that. Well, yeah, we do. And we kind of do, but. I mean, I think the talking about it is examining to me more so why it's happening. And it's happening for a couple of reasons. Number one, one reason why it's happening is because there are some people who believed it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Now, there are other people who are incredibly cynical when it comes to the president. He says something on Monday. That's the truth. He says something on Wednesday. That's the truth. But then there is a cohort of Republican or MAGA Republican or person on the right generally that thought that when the president said no foreign wars, that he meant no foreign wars. So they were disappointed when we bombed Iran.

And they were also disappointed this week when the president is talking about going and instituting regime change in Venezuela. they actually go, what are you doing? Right? But then there are other people that continue to like eat whatever gruel he serves. Yeah. And this is why that's why Marjorie Taylor King was so important. Did you watch Cash Patel's interview with Katie?

Oh, you did. Yeah, man. Well, I watch all of the stuff. I've been watching more, I've been watching more content from the right, far more content from the right than I do from the left. Well, I think that that's necessary. I've been watching way more. Did it, did you, you know, it seemed to be, you know, he did it with his girlfriend.

And it seemed to be all about getting a better understanding because we care so much about Cash Patel and his girlfriend. How'd you feel after you watched it? I watched an interview and a conversation between two people who never fuck. They don't have sex, Cash Patel and his girlfriend. And what makes you say that? I learned that they were together. I don't know why I thought that she became his girlfriend once he got the job. I didn't realize they've been together since January of 2023.

Now, I can look at two people and tell when they fuck it. I look at people that other people, this is a TMZ skill. I look at people that other people don't know that they're fucking and I go, they fucking. But then I also can look at people and I can say, they've never had sex. So you think they never had sex? She might have gave them a handy. So that's what you took for me. You ever see the movie The Master?

No. Well, if you watch The Master, there's a part where there's a rather aggressive hand job that's given from Amy Adams to rest in peace, Philip Seymour Hoffman in that movie. It's all weird. It's angry. It's like she's talking them up. He probably gets a couple of those per month, but like actual penis vagina intercourse. They're not like hitting it. Per month.

Cash is not like, girl, come climb on this. Well, people are upset about it. What's so upsetting? The timing of the interview. Oh, yeah, because the interview came out while the manhut's still going on. The interview was likely recorded before that. Well, they wrote that at the beginning, like right before it says it, it says, but here's the thing. And this goes back to messaging.

You are in the middle of trying to, not only are you in the middle of trying to locate the shooter at Brown University. You also fucked up in a very similar fashion like you did with the Charlie Kirk. There are rumors about, you know, that you are more obsessed with looking like an FBI director rather than being an effective FBI director. He is more obsessed with his girlfriend and making sure her needs and concerns are met more than he is about the American citizens. That's what's coming across. He's more obsessed with, and this is all with the timing of the interview, making us like his girlfriend and their relationship, than he is concerned about making people feel safe or stopping apprehending this mass shooter or cracking down on the fact that mass shootings are even happening. continuing to happen in this country.

It's, it all goes back to, like I said, the messaging. Well, I mean, messaging, yeah, I guess, but the problem, there's a root problem there is that he was never qualified for the job in the first place. And neither is Heck Seth and neither is Robert F. Kennedy. And they were put in these positions more for their ideological allegiance to President Trump than the fact that they could actually do their jobs. Now, something else that we have to. talk about part of a strong man and the vision of a strong man is to shred institutions, right?

So if you are a strong man, an authoritarian, if you are, dare I say, a fascist, then part of your governing style is to erode confidence in not just societal institutions, but actual governmental institutions. So you erode societal confidence in the media, right? You say the media is out to get you. You can't trust what the media says. So that way any reporting that is done on you is a lie. We saw Pete Hexeth limit access of the press to the Pentagon, right?

But then everything else, we're draining the swamp. We're getting rid of the deep state. Like we're getting rid of USAID. Part of what Doge did was to go through and gut all of these agencies. And part of these agencies, their job was to make sure. sure that shit was going right, right? Part of these agencies had inspector generals and these inspector generals, it was their job to be independent arbiters of what was going on at these different places. Well, you go in and you cut the knees out of all of those places. It all comes back to the top

guy to President Trump. What you also do in Cash Patel and the Department of whatever you're doing, all of this people, is you put incompetent people in those roles on purpose. Because when you put incompetent people in those roles, right? It once again erodes public faith in those institutions. Those institutions being weak makes the president actually stronger. You actually don't need a functioning Congress when a strongman is your leader because the Congress only exists to rubber stamp what the president wants. You don't need a functioning Department of Justice when the president is a strong man because the Department of Justice is only actually looking at how the president wants to run the country in terms of the rule of law.

You don't need a functioning department of defense when the president is a strong man because that institution only serves the whims of the president. So what ends up happening is having Cash Patel or Pete Hexeth or any of these other people in these positions, it just weakens these positions and it puts the focus back on President Trump. Now, it can be embarrassing. You could look at a situation where you have a clearly incompetent director of the FBI in his role. That can be embarrassing.

But you know what Trump's going to say? He's doing a great job. And he's also going to say every other FBI before this was corrupt. And they were corrupt. It's not corrupt now. And since it's not corrupt now, he's doing a good job. I don't know if I agree. I agree that I definitely agree that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

propaganda and the rhetoric being pushed out as Trump was was gearing up for 2024 election was to weaken trust in these different departments for sure and it worked and with that and once he had that kind of power it worked and he put these people in place but in place who were incompetent for sure but I don't know if I agree that he put them there purposefully to be incompetent to continue to weaken those departments I think he put them there because because of their allegiance and didn't care whether they were competent or not or how they did their job as long as they, as he was able to control it. I feel like that was more his purpose than to show that they were weak because I actually think and we're seeing this, that it's backfiring that with these, that the incompetence that these people have in these positions. I think it makes Trump look weak, right? Because health care right now, you have RFK Jr.

firing the CDC, you have people walking out. They're not what they used to be. And now you're seeing an uptick in diseases that have not been around for decades. I think that makes Trump look weak and it makes RFK Jr. look weak and it makes the department look weak. I think he wanted them there, like I said,

to do what he said. But at the end of the day, he wants to look strong. That looks weak. The Department of War, you're out here. And now Pete Hick-Hethe said he's not going to release the video that he was apparently going to release to us to show us what happened with them bombing those boats. And now he's not doing it. People are upset about that. People are upset at the possibility of going to a war.

President Trump said he was the president of peace. Now he's doing the complete opposite. I feel like that makes him look bad. I think you could say the same thing about the FBI. Like, yeah, you might think it was corrupt. Okay, so you put the person in office who is supposed to do it right. And now he's fucking up. I actually don't think that it makes him look better.

But see, I guess the only retort to that is like in President Trump's first term, there was all kinds of bullshit. There were people backbiting, jumping in positions, getting in oppositions. He went through a bunch of different, like, he hired Scaramucci. He would fire. Garamooch. He, like all of these people jumping in all kinds of stuff. There's one difference.

The economy was good. And because the economy was good, people didn't really pay attention to the dysfunction that they saw in the president's intelligentsia because there was really no need to. This situation is different. President Trump, I think if there was any miscalculation that he made, the miscalculation was that he would be able to work his magic trick. the same magic trick that he works over America, which is I am this unimpeachable God of all,

in a place where Americans were struggling a little bit. See, they expected him to come in and get them back to the feeling that they had in 16 and 17 and 18 and 19. They thought that he was doing that. Right, right. When really he wasn't. They thought that he was doing that. That would be an elixir to all of this other stuff,

easily. To me, none of it would matter. But people are looking around and they're actually asking for answers to a lot of different questions in their lives. And they don't think that Obama and Venezuela is the answer. They don't think that

Cash Patel is the answer. They don't think that tariffs are the answer. They're actually looking for answers. As far as what he wants to do, though, he certainly wants every single institution that would provide any type of oversight or act in any type of independent way he wants them weaker. He wants a weaker FBI. He wants a weaker Department of Defense. He wants a weaker Congress.

He wants so much ideological capture that they would have to be weaker. He wants all of those things to be weaker. that he can be stronger. If you wanted a strong FBI, why would you appoint somebody that went along with you lockstep in every way possible that could not be, that's at cross-purp is to having a strong FBI? I just don't think he sees it that way. Like I think I completely agree with you. I think that he... You know, you're giving them some credit here. No, no, no, no. I completely agree with you that he absolutely wanted an FBI he can control. I just think that he's so delusely and has such as big ego that he in no way thought that they would not be effective.

And if they weren't, he would under him. When I say, okay, he couldn't care less if the FBI was effective. Like, couldn't not care. When I say couldn't care less if the FBI was effective. What he cares is that the FBI is under his thumb and response to his whims. He couldn't care less if the FBI was effective. he couldn't care less if the State Department was effective. He doesn't care about any of that stuff.

I agree with that part. Last thing I'll say, because part of them being effective would be checking his power. Well, I agree with what you're saying about he doesn't care at the end of the day, but what he does care is about how things make him look. And he looks bad right now.

I think the Trump administration looks bad that all these things are failing in such a grand way under you. That's what I think. And it's being reflected in how people are voting. And if that is built upon in 2026 with the midterms and they lose the house, which a lot of people think that that's going to happen, it makes him look bad. Look at right now, he is backing people in elections and they're losing. It looks.

It's always happened now. The things that are happening. That's always happened. Okay. It has happened, but it's happening in a bigger way. It's not happening in a bigger way? Of course, it has happened. So to me, once again, what this is more about, in my opinion, the Republicans are losing ground

to me for the same reason that the Democrats lost ground is that on both sides of the political aisle right now, there seems to be this belief in party and this allegiance to party that is not connecting with Americans. It's not connecting with Americans. Like there is, we, there's something that's happening right now. Because of Trumpism,

the factions are fighting for what they believe to be is the existential future of the country. You ever see like a movie scene where two parents are fighting and they're going back and forth, I can't believe you. You're terrible. You blah, blah, blah, blah.

And, fuck you and blah blah blah. And then there's a kid that's like holding a stuffed animal behind. And they're looking at this. That's the Democrats and Republicans. And the kid is us. Like we're the kid. We're watching them do like that.

Nobody's feeding us. Dinner's not being served. Mom and dad or whoever, they are fighting. They're going at each other. Right. And we're looking at it like this. But there seems to be an inability for anyone to stop for a second and turn around and go,

let me fight and also make sure that dinner is on the table and that breakfast will be served and that you get to bed and get told your bedtime story tonight. So when I look at everything that's happening, yeah, a lot of this stuff is failing and it becomes something to criticize the Trump regime for. but the Trump regime, the Trump administration, even in their first term, was highly dysfunctional. Like, highly dysfunctional. This level of dysfunction is different because you got some throw a thumbs here. But last thing I'll, this is actually the last thing I say.

To your point, to your point, he did in his first term appoint people that were at least a little bit more competent. Yeah, there wasn't as much pushback from the Senate when it came to like a... And Rachel, he didn't like it. I'm trying to tell you, Rachel, he appointed people in his first term. That pushed back against him. And that had been veterans at their jobs and he learned, the lesson that he learned was that in order for him to be who he was, he did not need those types of people. He needed loyalists and he needed those institutions a little bit more than that.

But I'm agreeing with you. I agree that he appointed this time people who he didn't care how competent they were. What I'm saying is, is now that it is making him look bad because he's directly tied to it. And people are souring on these people and the effects of the things that they're doing. That's what I don't think he signed up for. Maybe, maybe. I think he likes it. I think he likes the fact of all these things.

Let me tell you got something. We got a lot of news out of Trump White House this week. I'm going to go off script for a second here. And this is even for a White House that loves to make news, this was a lot. I just want to let you guys know everything that came out of the Trump White House this week, all the news that came out of the White House. War with Venezuela. We got insulting presidential plaques in the White House. Okay.

Trump talking to Alan Dershowitz about the actual legal basis of a third term. Dan Bongino left, right? He should leave and go straight to Turkey. You got to fix that day. Susie Wiles, the piece that came out in Vanity Fair, the Trump administration announcing that they were actually looking into denaturalizing American citizens. A whole unasked for address.

A dress out of nowhere. Like a meandering weird address. They expanded the countries that they plan on banning. Right. All of this stuff. That happened to. Now, let me ask you guys a question. for a White House that loves to make news,

that loves to flood the zone, this week in particular, was an unprecedented zone flooding. I mean, they flooded that motherfucker. All right? Why do y'all think that happened? Well, that's what AOC said. Say it to the people.

Well, she says that they're going to release some of the, not all of it, but, or is it all of it? The Epstein files on Friday. By law. according to the law that was passed December 19th which is this Friday

they have to start releasing the Epstein file stuff if they do not Thomas Massey said it was on one of the shows he said look they can't not release the Epstein files

well this law passed which said they had 30 days to get them out the 19th is the deadline we got to get the Epstein files so Trump is doing everything that he can to make you guys forget

that this week is a week that could be very consequential for him where we might see some stuff. So look, I want you to do me a favor. I'm going to ask you this. Rate in your opinion on Epstein file distractions from 1 to 10, which story has been the best in terms of distraction from the Epstein files.

Okay. Well, to be very honest, it started last week and obviously they didn't plan this, but the shootings were a huge distraction. Yeah. And that's something that obviously... What are you trying to say? No, I'm not trying to stop.

Don't be a conspiracy there. I'm not saying that. I'll get you on with Candace Owens. I'm not trying to say that. But what I am saying is the fact that that happened, and then people are talking, of course, again, about gun control and gun violence and how they administrate. We did it.

The administration is not doing anything, that's a distraction. The fact that the FBI, we just talked about it, the shooter's still at large. We're talking about, I mean, for all we know, Cash Patel did this interview, not because he wanted everybody

to see him in a different life. It's a total distraction. So many people are upset. To be honest, you have to really look to see about, to remember that the Epstein files were going to be

because there was so much other stuff. I would have said that that was the top, but if I had to pick one of the stories that they're doing, Dan leaving. Nah, it's not the one. That's not the one for you? It's the war, man.

The war is the best one. I'll tell you something, man. tried and true with American presidents. If you want to get people off what you're doing at home, bomb some brown people somewhere else. There is not a better distraction for an American president than bombing brown people to get the focus off of himself. It's happened before.

We've seen a lot of it, right? You bomb some brown people. You bomb them. Clinton, I'll give Clinton credit. because Clinton bombed brown people and he bombed some white people as well

that's what you got to look at with Bill Bill was the type of president and goes sure I'll bomb Iraq in 1998 because things aren't going so well but he'll also bomb Kosovo so he'll also do that

like Reagan will do Grenada you know he'll they'll they'll kill some people in order to get the focus off of them. You know, LBJ will do the whole Vietnam thing.

Nixon will do, like, there's a long, tried and true history in America of presidents going as getting too hot here for me.

Who Brown in another part of the world has to die. And that is definitely part of the calculus to me with Donald Trump

and Venezuela. I'm not saying, that we haven't been beating the drum on Venezuela for a long time. Right. We have. But I'm telling you, right now to ramp up the pressure campaign on Venezuela this week and say this week we are having a war and we're going to get into what's probably going to be a pretty intense back and forth, a pretty intense struggle with Venezuela going forward.

That is look over here because shit ain't going to. right at home. And we've been doing that for a long time in America. I'll say it's the FBI drama, but I hear you. You're not going to disagree with you. The FBI drama cannot compare to a war, man. Come on, Rachel. War is war. I hear you. But we haven't gone yet. I know he's talking about

it, but. I mean, shit. I mean, I'm not saying we haven't done stuff. I'm just saying. They got to put their foot in it now. I put that foot in that war. You know what I'm saying? You can't have war. You can't come out here and say, you can't half step with the war. When you were going to

launch a regime change war to distract people, you got to go all in. Can I ask you a question? Do you think that the American people think middle America? Do you think they're paying attention

to that for a distraction or do you think they're paying attention to the FBI story? Man, once we get, let me tell you something about Americans. There's two things we love. The Super Bowl and blowing shit up. Once we start blowing shit up,

once it's about the troops and taking care of the troops and our men and women, brave men and women in uniform, once it's about strategery, like President George W. Bush, a Texan said, once it's about strategery

and mission accomplished, once it's about boats and planes and boom, bam, and we got in there, there it is very difficult for us to pay attention to anything else because think about what else is going to be talked about the framing around this war they're going to be people that are saying this is world war three they're going to be people that are saying we are getting out a terrible crazy narco terrorist leftist regime that we should have dealt with a long time ago there are people that are going to exon is going to be into this like all of the oil

companies are going to be like oh my god we get the oil reserves There's going to everyone is going to do their best propaganda dance in this situation right now. It's war, baby. Because look, I can tell you one thing, Rachel, we might not know how to teach kids how to read anymore. Literacy down, bombs up. We can still blow shit up. We still can war. Sounds like a song.

We can get war popping. And once we do, this is us doing what we're good at. This is Chris Brown dancing. This is Michael Jackson. dancing, America and War. Rachel, you got to get on board. Okay. You know.

But we'll see. We'll see if, because what I said before, you guys didn't like when I said it. We didn't like what? Said this before. If you walked into a house and you know that there was a child being abused in the bedroom,

what could they do in the living room to make you not think? about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there anything, you know that there's a child being abused in the bedroom. What could they do in the living room to make you change your mind about it? You shouldn't be anything. Nothing, yeah. So we'll see when the Epstein files come out.

We're already getting some trickles of stuff like that. I saw Woody, Woody Allen with Epstein. Do you see that picture? Yeah, yeah, I saw that. We're getting some pictures. Yeah. He wasn't the only got some bill pictures. Bill's there.

Clint is there. Somebody else is there. Like, you know what, don't. When the Epstein files come out, if one of your faves is in there, just they're going to be in there. They're going to be in there. It's going to be people you like in there. Are you excited?

I'm not necessarily excited because I'm pretty resolute about everything that's happening and there seems to be, it seems to go pretty deep. But I am interested in the response to what Congress releases and how it will be spun. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, there was a robust discussion of Trump and Trumpism and all this. It's a lot going on to your point.

Do you care about Vivek Romano-Swamy and him bitching in the New York Times? We can move past it. Yeah, I don't give a fuck about it. I mean, it's funny to me. It is. If anything, it's funny. Somehow he keeps thinking he's different. He still doesn't get it, but keep going.

Yeah, it is what it is. You guys go read the New York Times, Vivek Romo-Wam-Wan-Wan-Swai went on there and he was like... If you just want a good laugh, he wants people to believe in the American dream. Upset about identity politics from the left, but now the rights doing it, which it's like, they've been doing it. It's so funny. to all the brown people out there on the right, however brown you may be in whatever way that you might be brown,

just know that you're going to be safer with us. I'm telling you right now, you're going to be safer with us. You're going to be safer with us. They don't want to be. But that's cool. I'm not saying that you, I'm not so sure we want y'all,

but you're going to be safer with us. Because what's bubbling on the right right now? they're not fucking with y'all this is a plea like Vivek it's a disease he's suffering from this disease rebecca is like this is a plea like please i'm i'm with you i believe in the american dream i was born in cincinnati like he's begging but it's like they've been working on this erasure for a long time stuff now it's affecting him he's on the outside i don't we don't want no you don't want Vivek i don't want Vivek i don't want him on your side no you don't want him to be on what if he came to your side though you would have to

want him if he came to your side. If he came to your side, he's going to make a case. What would he have to do? I don't know. That's a question for him. No, it's not like, I mean, obviously he's going to have to take some responsibility and admit I'm going to need to believe that you know you fucked up. And I need to know the ways in which you did it, why you did it.

I need you to denounce it. Because that's what it is almost, right? It's like we talk about it being a cult. I need you to denounce your participation in the cult. That's what you have to do. I have an idea. Let's do it. What if Vivek pledged Q?

I'd be so mad at Omega Sci-Fi. Just wait a second, though. Before you, just wait a second. Just wait a second. So you don't know of anything that Vavec could do right now. Vivek is clearly getting his ass kicked. They have made new slurs for brown people on the right. I never even heard the slurs before.

I don't even know what some of this shit is. I'm hearing the slurs. Have Vovac, if you go back and you, you read the piece of Vivette puts him in quotes. He does. He does. And it was slightly funny. But it wasn't funny that he's being called that it was funny

that you could tell how it had emotionally affected him. Yes, yes. He's on the outside. But look, Vivek pledging Q, okay, the brothers of a mega sci-fi, that really could be like a drop squad kind of situation for him. Why? Because think about what you got to go through.

What do you know about it? Can I just, can I just give you what I know, Rachel? Shout out, hey, like, truth to all the people. The message is going to be mad at you that you link them with Vivek, but go ahead. This is your brothers, though. These are my brothers. Okay. These are your brothers.

Okay. So I'm giving you proximity here because it's your decision. You get to decide whether or not Vivek. If Vivek were to pledge Q, okay, he number one, I'm assuming I've heard, I don't know this for sure. I've heard that there's some hazing involved. Maybe I've heard there's some hazing involved. Number one, so a little bit of pain. Number two, they got to, you got to pay.

Okay. So there's a little bit of bread. Number three, you got to do the knowledge. Okay? So if you've a vet, Vivek guy sit down. He got to learn the knowledge. He got to learn about black history. And then there's another one.

And this is going to sound crazy, but come with me on this. he got to learn the dances and wait a second that's important it's important learning the dances because think about seeing Vivek out of that and then like you know

he learns the dances brotherhood camaraderie Vivek in the gold boots he got the purple shirt on he got the thing he going that if he made it to the end of that process I would be like you know what you cool

if he made it to the end of that process after he did denounces. Okay. So he has to denounce. He's denounce. He has to denounce, but then he has to pledge Q. Maybe not just Q. Maybe if a Vec has to go through the intake process of all the divine nine fraternities. That would make sense. Over and over and over and over and over again. If he became Q, would you accept him? Uh, no. And the reason being is, I don't trust him. This man is basically, through this opinion that he wrote in the New York Times, is on his hands and knees, begging for acceptance to a party that continues to tell you they don't want you.

In policy, in their administration, they kicked you out. In every single way, you don't fit their narrative. It's always been about identity politics. We've seen the erasure that they're doing in this country through so many ways. Vec, they don't want you. So now I'm supposed to believe, oh, because you tried everything that you could possibly do to be accepted by them and they said, no, now you want to come over here. here with us. Like we've talked about this. That's a problem within our community. Sometimes we're

too accepting. We got to be like, no. We got to, this is a gatekeeping. This is a gatekeeping situation. First off, I wouldn't trust with X, so that's why it would be no. But two, we got to just accepting you because you tried everything else and now you're going to settle for us because that's what it would be. No. So being Omega Sci-Fi, it's about you want this in your heart, in your soul. This is something, you don't just do this. Okay. So this is what I'll say. That's why not everybody's accepted. So two things. And we'll talk about this, because this is a natural segue to the next conversation we're having. Two things.

It is definitely true. Vivek's entire worldview for as long as we've known who he is, and even before that, he looks with the world a specific way. So Vivek's not defecting. There is a conversation to be had about people who become disenchanted with the right and the trajectory of the right and then what to do with them, what happens. Now, we can all say, hey, fuck you, we don't trust you,

or you could actually try to build political and cultural bridges and take the country over. Sure. Right. So then the reality is that there's only one time where gatekeeping doesn't make sense. And that's politics. Listen, I believe in the bridge,

but the bridge is not through Omega Sci-Fi. Don't do that to us. And it should be noted in this article that he's still doing this thing. It's more about his disgust and disdain for the Groyper's and just the fact that the conservatives won't specifically call them out. He is in no way upset with conservatives as a whole. It's a sector of them. You guys have to pay attention right now with what's going on in terms of the right versus the far right. It is, to me, fascinating.

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Well, it was trending on threads. Shout out to threads. Are you on threads? Fuck no. I see your stuff on threads. That's because I post the shit and they post it to threads. Hold on.

That's because I post the shit and they posted to threads automatically. You say fuck threads like it's Twitter. I've never in, I've never in life. posted something purposefully on threads. Okay, so you're just on Twitter, promoting Twitter. That's fine.

That's whatever. A lot of people have left Twitter. That's what people are. For better alternatives. For what are you? People are talking on threads though. You actually should tap into threads. People are.

Who's paying you? Are y'all on threads? Ain't nobody using no motherfucking threads. Oh my God, actually, wait, Jay, did you just say you just got on? I just got back on it. Report back to me on the next podcast and tell me if there aren't good conversations going on. I'm just saying. I'm sure there are.

I haven't used it for a long time. And then I didn't use it for a long time. And then I started and I was like, actually, I like it better over here because I'm not a good, you know, I'm not good on Twitter. I'm not good at that. I like to fight. There's too much. That's why I'm on Twitter. I like to fight.

All right. Well, then that's, you stay over there. The reason this topic was interesting to me because you, well, one, higher learning got dragged into it. So you, wait, Donnie, you introduce it. I'm sorry. No, you're good. Uh, YouTuber Keith Edwards posted a clip from higher learning on threads. It was a snippet from our conversation on Jackson and Crockett.

announcement of her campaign for Senate in Texas, the quote to his post was a quote of Van that said it is one of the more tone-deaf things I've seen a politician do in a very long time. And I saw that Rachel posted right under that, that that was completely taken out of context. And yeah, I mean, no, it wasn't for how he used it. It was. No, not to me. Okay. Okay, well, excuse me. How did he, okay, before I say that, how did he use it? Because I saw, a clip, but I mean... So you did say that. Yeah, but the purpose...

So this is the thing, and I'm sorry to cut you off, Donnie, because I know that you were rolling that out. But Keith Edwards has been... He's a Democrat. That's how he identifies. Do we know who Keith Edwards? He's a YouTuber. His...

The basis of his... I think he... Well, not podcast. I'm not sure if he has that. But the basis of his YouTube channel is about... It's politics. It's current affairs. He's constantly on social media and on YouTube

promoting... politics and his views and he's a Democrat. Right. So he has been recently trending on threads because of how he has been handling the announcement of Jasmine Crockett saying that she was now going to run for the Senate seat in Texas and versus how he has been talking about it with James Talariko, who she's going to, they're going to go against each other in the primary in March, which we have talked about here on higher learning. If you, so he used, what we're talking about is

immediately after higher learning, he used a clip from Van where Van said it is one of the more, when he was talking about Jasmine Crockett and her announcement, he said it is one of the more tone-deaf things I've seen a politician do in a very long time. You said that, that's a quote. He plays the video. It's not that he misquoted you.

It's the context, I believe, in which he put it in, which is why I wrote underneath it about you're using this in the wrong way. Because if you look at, and I should say the reason he's trending is because a lot of black people are saying Keith Edwards, they're calling him racist, which is something I do not agree with. But they're saying that Keith Edwards is really showing who he is. And they're basically having this conversation back and forth about white liberals,

particularly white men in this situation and how they speak on black politicians or black women. And Keith Edwards' defense is, and he said it, he put out a video. Actually, Donnie, I think you have it, right? I do. Here it is. Hi, I've been getting a lot of these comments. And so I could write something, but what would happen is after I write it,

so I'm just going to take one word from what I said and what I wrote and take it out of context. And so I think it's so much easier for me to respond right here. And I don't know, maybe this will be helpful. but one, yes, I'm a white guy. I am a white guy. I can't control it. I was born this way, and it's something I can't control, okay? I have an opinion about politics. It's what I do for a living. Now, are you saying that I cannot have an opinion about a candidate who is a different race or gender than me? And if I do, and it's critical, it's inherently racist. Because I think what you're all trying to do is just silence any opposition. rather than, I don't know, just taking me, taking me at my ideas or at my criticisms.

Instead, you're saying, oh, he's a white guy and he's being misogynistic or racist. I don't think that's a great way to build a coalition. I also think it's a great way to build a strong and healthy party. I did everything in my power to get Kamala Harris elected last year. That is what I dedicated my year to last year. I wept when she became the nominee, and I wept when she lost. I loved that woman. Meeting her, I got to meet her for literally 10 seconds at the Christmas party last year, was truly just, I'm not going to say life-changing experience, but it was something that I very much valued.

Is that sound like someone who's racist to you? No, of course not. So please stop doing that. stop calling people racist because they have it a different opinion on politics than you. Okay. So the reason I say he used your, I do agree with him. I don't think that we should jump to calling somebody racist. I would not say from what I've seen with Keith Edwards that he's racist. What people are saying is they believe that he has internalized racism for how he talks about Jasmine Crockett versus James Talarico. He uses the example of Kamala Harris there and how he wept. how supportive he was of Kamala Harris. She was going against Donald Trump. I think emphatically somebody who has a platform like Keith Edwards and speaks in the ways that he does,

he is extremely anti-Trump. It's not that he is necessarily aligning himself with Kamala Harris as a black woman. It's that he's very against Trump and he wanted to fight against the Trump regime. When it comes to what, and this is what people are saying, a white man versus a black woman, the rhetoric that you're putting out, particularly on threads, is very anti-Jasmine. You're critiquing her in a way where there is no criticism to James Tolariko. And the reason I say he took your thing out of context was instead of as a whole saying, you were criticizing her announcement.

You were criticizing the fact that it seemed tone deaf and once again it plays into the messaging from the Democrats. He, I believe, was using it as another knock against jazz. when that's not what the whole conversation that we had on higher learning. He used it to promote his belief that Jasmine is one way and James Talleyco is another. So if you scroll down his threads, he goes, these are certain ways he talks about James Talarico. James Talarico is showing what it means to actually run a campaign about meeting voters where they are and persuading them. Versus, Jasmine Crockett says, he does the thing, we're done, says, quote, we done picking cotton as justification for pro-immigration policies. He hasn't said, if I continue to scroll down,

because I'm not going to do every single thing. He hasn't said anything positive about this is the complaint and why he's trending, why black people are all in his comments. He hasn't said a positive thing about Jasmine Crockett. Even when he put up her announcement, it was like, oh, she did this by accident. She rolled this out. She wasn't supposed to. Everything he's done about James Tilarico has been positive. There hasn't been any talk about who he's receiving money from, maybe a lack of experience. He's not being fair in how he's presenting both of them to the public rather than it seems like he's very anti-jasmid. And people are saying, why? Why aren't you putting this out in a fair way? It seems like you're one versus the other. But that's not racism. I would not

categorize that as calling him a racist. I do agree with him that that's not the way to go about it. Okay. So a little bit more on this guy. He's a YouTuber, but he's also. a political strategist. He worked for Michael Bloomberg in 2020. He was the appointed the director of communications for the Lincoln Project. He worked for John Alsoff in his campaign in Georgia in 2020. He was a communications director for Nikki Freed's a gubernatorial campaign. And, you know, he's done all kinds of stuff. This is an interesting conversation to me for a couple of reasons. All right, let's put it into the side.

Who did higher learning basically support in the 2024 New York mayoral election? Mamdani. Okay. Mamdani ran against in a primary, Andrew Cuomo. How many positive things did we have to say about Andrew Cuomo?

I mean, zero. Are we comparing Andrew Cuomo to Jasmine Crockett? I think it's, that's, that's, that's, it's apples to orange. but go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay.

It's, let me explain to you what I'm talking about. Okay. I'm not comparing Jasmine Crockett to. Okay. Well, we didn't have anything positive to say about Andrew Cuomo. That's because of the way we look at it. It's because of our specific political outlook. Our specific political outlook means that as people who have a platform,

we looked at one candidate and we supported that candidate. And that candidate was the person that we propped up. Andrew Cuomo, for all of the things that he had done wrong, for whatever reasons that he was politically a pariah to us, had a whole bunch of people who supported him, who supported Andrew Cuomo. We not only looked at Andrew Cuomo in a way, we looked at the people that supported Andrew Cuomo in a way.

So what I'm saying is, for us, for this podcast, there was no impetus for us to cover those two candidates in exactly the same way. for whatever reason, whatever separates candidates for whatever, we had one guy that we supported and one person that we did not like, right? So there is no reason to expect from someone who is giving their political opinion an equal thrust to the way they cover two candidates in a primary. There's no reason to expect that. If he likes James Tolariko and James Talariko is the guy.

that he is supporting. Maybe he's been on James Talarico for a long time. Maybe he's been with James Talarico. Maybe he believes in James Talarico. Maybe he doesn't like Jasmine Crockett. I have no issue with that. Now, what I have an issue with when people criticize Jasmine Crockett is Jasmine Crockett has been criticized for her intelligence by Donald Trump. Jasmine Crockett has been scapegoated and made the entire Democratic Party the whole animus of the Democratic Party has been put on one woman's shoulders. All of that stuff is specific to me in who Jasmine Crockett is. She has been used. She's been called a Shanika or Laquanda or whatever. She's been called ghetto. She's been called low class. She's been called all types of tropes

and insults that are specifically directed towards black women. Anytime that happens to Jazz and Crockett or any black lady that's standing in a gap like that, they will have an ally in me. However, I don't know. I watched the 17-minute video of the guy where he explained the entire thing on YouTube. I don't know that is racist for him not to cover these two people in this primary of the same. Could we ask the question about is there something?

with him that makes him like James Talarico more, that's a question we got to ask in every situation, right? All the time. But it's a question that's asked more in a philosophical way than it is in a direct way. If he has before, to me, insulted, minimized, I heard Saga from breaking points actually say that he thought Jasmine Crockett was dumb and Crystal had to correct him. Crystal had to be like She's like she's dumb I've never heard anything And Crystal had to come in to be like

She's not dumb She said when people say stuff like that Yeah that to me Like that to me goes Well what makes Jasmine Crockett dumb Why would you use low IQ Low Class ghetto or any of those things Those are the tropes

But if he's analyzing a race And he likes one candidate And he doesn't like the other candidate Or he likes one candidate more or he thinks one candidate in the in the in the in the in the in the in the video that he put out on YouTube he was using data in the way that he saw it to back that up I have absolutely no problem with that like zero problem with it again I agree with you I think when people jumped just to to scream racism without necessarily backing it up I think that it takes away

from the argument that you're trying to make and I think what people are trying to say here is one I don't agree with the Cuomo comparison because it's not just a policies, there's a moral issue there. And if you're comparing Jasmine and James, that hasn't really been a... You're not... You're not... The Cuomo thing,

hold on for a second. We could do that with any race. There have been races, like, in primaries all over the place where we've supported a candidate and not supported another candidate. We've chosen candidates. If it's Karen Bass versus Rick Caruso, there could be all kinds of... Whatever it is, like, whomever it is. If it's...

If it's Wesley Bell versus Cory Bush, Like, whatever the reason is. My point being is that you're right. Of course, you can do that with anybody. I think sometimes it's easier in certain races to do that than in others. In this one, these are two people who are going against each other in a primary. Two bright young stars. There really isn't that much, because we talked about it, maybe of a difference in policy there, right?

So what people, and this is why I say, to go back to my original point of when people are so quick to say racism, sometimes you lose the argument that you're trying to make. What people are trying to say here is that you're a person who reports on what's going on. You're reporting on this primary that's coming up in Texas because it is a big deal. So many eyes are watching on it for who's running against each other and the implications of it of who's going to face the Republican when it comes to, and really what's going to happen in the Republican race as well, of who's going to face off against each other in the midterms. You're following it. You're reporting on it. You're choosing to report a certain way on it, which is what is making people say, huh,

that's what's happening. So everything that's your opinion guy. Okay, but he reports in various ways. I'm just telling you what people are saying. What people are seeing is every time you report James, it's one way. Every time you report Jasmine, it's another way. And why can't you say without, without, because he hasn't said, hey, I'm for James. He hasn't said, hey, I'm against or for Jasmine.

But the rhetoric you continue to push out on your page for James versus Jasmine, it's making people say, well, why can't you say one, put out one story that Jasmine, like what's the animus that, or the thing that you're against Jasmine? It's making people ask that question. And I think that the reason I would rather have him answer that, which is why I would love for him to come on this podcast, rather than say, hey, you're a racist because of what you're putting out. I would question, why are you doing this? Why aren't you putting out this video? Why didn't you put Jasmine's video where she did her full announcement? Why are you only putting up the positive

of James Tolarico? Why aren't you putting up some of the other stuff people are saying about James? Those are the questions people are asking and then they're jumping to saying racism which I don't agree with. The question I would say is, why are you doing it? So this is, and I'll come back to this and then I'll ask it.

When there's not a huge, a stark contrast between the two other than the way they look, which is what people are jumping on. There's not a stark contrast between the two for you. For him, I watched the video where he went throughout the video and he said James Tala Rico is a better candidate to win a general election in Texas. And he used one data point. I'm not sure if this is a catch-all data point or if I totally agree with it.

But he used the data point that said amongst people that are, outside of the left bubble, 49% of them said that they would never vote for Jasmine Crockett, while 40 of them said that they would never vote for James Talleyco or something like that. So he said there's a nine-point difference in people who would consider voting for James Tala Rico in a general election in Texas, and people who would not vote for Jazz and Crockett. I don't know that that data point is that reliable. I don't.

I don't know that there's any way to say that he can perform in the general election better than Jasmine Crockett can. I don't. But I do think that particularly for our podcasts or other places like this, if we're talking about the way CNN covers them, if we're talking about the way Fox or any of the other places whose job it is to be impartial cover these people, that's one thing.

But here on this podcast and on other podcasts that deal will be. politics. We pick winners and we tell people who we think they should be voting for. And we do that for myriad reasons. And we have done it. And like to me, the question actually comes down to, can a white person critique a black woman? And the reason why I say black woman is because if I look on this part, Wesley Bell, we've kicked his ass. Van Jones, we've kicked his ass. Hakeem Jeffries, we've kicked his ass. Stephen A. Smith, somebody who purports to be on the left. We've kicked his ass. We've kicked these people's asses. We've told people that Hakeem Jeffries is a weak leader and is a corporate centrist Democrat. And we've called for a primary

of Hakeem Jeffries. We've said that Van Jones doesn't have a backbone when he is making critiques from his seat at CNN. We have criticized these men very deeply and directly. In all kinds of ways, we've called into question on this podcast. The, what, whether or not Stephen A. Smith has a grasp of the things that he's saying. Like indirectly called him dumb. Like indirectly we have. And what I'm saying is that like in the realm of politics, all of that criticism is fair to me. Because we're essentially talking about things that have a direct, direct effect on people's lives.

And if you are a politician and you are jumping into the realm of politics, it is okay for people not. not to like your personality. It is okay for people not to like your politics. And so I have not seen, now I think this dude is pussy. And I'll tell you why I think he's pussy. Straight up, Keith, you're a pussy. I'll tell you why I think he's a pussy.

We reached out for Keith to come on the podcast. Keith said, Keith's people came back and said, hey, Keith can't make it. Today. Rachel is, Rachel wants to talk to Keith. So Rachel had the idea.

I'm just going to tell you what we did. Rachel said, hey, reach back out and say, we can do it Monday or we can do it some point in the future. We record Mondays and Tuesdays. Let us know when you're available. Let us know when you're available. We put that out to Keyes people. Keys people came back and said, we don't know when you're going to be free. All right. So to me, they made it seem like it was the holidays. I'm sure he's going to put out a lot of content between now and January 1st. Now, to me, I'll tell you the way I look at this. The way I look at this is the same. way, the same thing that I, that I, uh, the same way I look at it with Graham Platner or these other people, black people got a problem with you got to be willing to talk to black

people. Mm-hmm. Like, you got to be able to be willing to have a conversation with them, right? And so I look at it like this, but like, I guess I go back to my question. Like, is there a separate set of rules? I, I, I, I, it's very simple to me, which is why I would love to ask him the question. Nobody is saying you can't critique. My question is, I would wonder why, as you continue to put out, if, like, I get the video, you know, that he put out and he says that this person's a

better candidate. To be fair, we don't always tell people who we vote for. Like, we were very, we're very much so anti-Trump and we're like, we're supporting anything that's against him. But when it comes to this specific race, I haven't said Jasmine or James. Neither of you. We said James first when James was the only Democrat who was running, now he's being primary. I haven't said which one. We talk about both sides. When we talked about the race last week, we talked about pros and cons for both. We talked about the way Jasmine has aligned herself in certain ways, positive and negative, did the same thing for James about who they're receiving money from, even though they're saying this or this. We talked about lack of experience versus experience. We talked about presenting as a national Democrat versus a Texas Democrat. We talked about messaging and how they're how they're speaking to people and how that resonates. We talked about all of that in an all-around way. And I think the question people have for him particularly with this, and I denounce the whole racism part of it is why are you only showing Jasmine one way and only showing James one

way? Like, fine, put out the video, but there's a way to critique somebody, but then also be like, well, this is also what Jasmine stands for. or this is what James stands for and this is where he lacks it in certain places. You can still do your numbers and say, but James would win in a general election, that's fine. But when you're offering a critique,

it's usually it's one-sided if it's just negative. It's one-sided if it's just positive. When you're offering a critique, there should be an overall critique of it to where you're presenting both sides. And then you can conclude, this is why I think this person is this. I think that's what people are asking for him

rather than, here's another post of Jasmine about what she's saying. said that she doesn't want these type of voters. This is what she said about immigrants. This is what she said. That's all I'm saying. He is in his right to do it how he wants to. People are also in their right to question why you're doing it that way.

They definitely can't question. I have no problem with anybody questioning whether or not something is based in race, particularly when you have something like this and you have a black woman and go no problem. But I will, I'm going to make two other points. One point is that like he's actually sort of made his. case about why he's clearly on James Talleyico's side of this. He's actually kind of made that case.

He's talked about it. He's talked about a couple of different ways. He probably was already on James Tala Rico and then Jasmine Crocker entered the race late. So he probably looks at her as an obstacle to what he thought was a chance

to win Texas. And when you go and watch this video, he says, we can win Texas with the right candidate. And for whatever reason, he doesn't think that Jazz and Crockett is the right candidate.

That is clear. The question is whether or not that in and of itself is racist. Okay? So, so, so, so, and so to me,

I'll go back to something else. The reason why I bring us up is like, when we're discussing this stuff, they're not just political determinations that we make. They're also personality determinations that we make

and also determinations about how people, have treated people and the things that they've done and all that kind of shit as well, right? And all of that stuff

is fair to me. I haven't seen anything wrong with his critique. I've also seen other people like Jolly Good Ginger. Do you guys know who Jolly Good Ginger is? Jolly Good Ginger is asked his ass kicked.

And why did he get his ass kicked? He got his ass kicked because he dared to criticize Jasmine Crockett's stance on Israel. Yeah.

And I understand, but if we are willing right now, when we're having these conversations about political leadership, if we are willing to be uncritical, we are doing ourselves a disservice. I have all the belief in the world for Congresswoman Crockett. And I think the way she's been treated has been terribly unfair. I cannot imagine what she has been, what she has gone through from having a president of the United States scapegoat her that way. And I think that scapegoating was done in a large part because she is a black woman.

If I disagree with Congresswoman Crockett on any issue that is as important as the Israel issue or anything else, there's got to be freedom to discuss that. And with Jolly, Jolly had to post some shit. And I'm not saying that any of these people in and of themselves are free from criticism themselves. We must also be able to criticize the criticizers. But you literally just have to post something going, hey, just to let y'all know, like,

I'm a person. And I got a family and I got a wife and just kicking my ass because I said, I do not like this woman's stance. Excuse me. This Congresswoman's stance on Israel. if that's the way we're doing it, that's fine. But then the question is, is it okay, not for a white person, for a person at all to be critical of a black lady?

Of course, it is. Of course it is. I just want to say this last point. What I do think is a little dangerous about what Keith Edwards is doing is if your biggest concern is about turning Texas blue or that seat blue, then sometimes I believe you should be critical and hold people accountable. I just believe it should be more well-rounded, Unless it's like, again, a moral issue where like this person has been accused of sexually assaulting people, which is why I pushed back on the Cuomo. I get it. We don't have to reiterate. We don't have to rehash that again. I can give you a million races. I get I don't want to rehash that again. But like it's just so obvious and it's not just policy. It's moral where this to me isn't as much. Like we both agree. There's not really that much of a stark contrast between the two candidates. Here's my fear. Here's my, the danger.

To us there's not a stark contrast To him there seems to be Yes, yes, yes But here's the danger If the goal is to turn this seat blue And this is where I get nervous The critique should be well-rounded Right?

There should be positive and negatives And the reason I say that is because Well, you can't be so negative To where you give the other side Their talking points to where they don't have to do shit Because imagine if Jasmine beats James Where does he go from here?

It's a primary, Rachel? if Jasmine beats James and Jasmine is who is running against the Republican candidate, how does Keith Edwards then start talking about this? That is a calculation in every primary that has ever existed in the history of the world. I'm not saying it's not. Kamala Harris stood on stage and basically said that Joe Biden had a putrid record on busing and all kinds of that stuff and then was his, it's a primary. Like that's the way that it goes.

I know that's the way that that goes. I am just saying he is not talking about it well-rounded. It's only, I'm not talking about what the candidates are saying about each other. I'm talking about him. There's the difference, right? Of course it's a primary. Kamala Harris talking about Joe Biden. That's candidate going against candidates.

And we do that too. We do that too in a primary. As a person who speaks on this and if the goal is to turn it blue, I'm just saying it can be dangerous where you're so critical against one and not the, other. How do you turn the corner? Because it's not, he's not giving her anything. How do you turn the corner if she does be James? And now it's like, well, we have to put all our efforts behind Jasmine Crockett so that we can turn this seat blue. And you haven't said, and he, there's still time, obviously, but you haven't said one positive thing about her. How do you then switch that to get the,

to get your following behind a Jasmine? That is, that is a question I would ask. I'm not saying she's free of criticism. I'm just... Wait a second, though. So what you're saying then is like, Kamala Harris and the candidates, they have no responsibility to take it easy on each other in a primary

when they're talking shit to one another, right? And bringing up all the type of shit and telling them... But we do. But we have, like us outside of the people that are on... We have a responsibility in a primary, which is supposed to through... intellectual combat. Actually,

Gavin Newsom comes on this podcast. I ask Gavin Newsom about APEC. That helps him. That helps him because this podcast, and you know, send it to a friend, guys, we're growing so crazy, but, you know, we want to keep growing. This podcast is part of

a million questions he's going to be asked about those things. This is the time to get roughed up so that in the general you've answered a lot of questions that people are asking about you. So the candidates have a responsibility. They don't have any responsibility, should I say, to take it easy on each other

or give each other soft beds to land. But the people that are asking questions of the candidates, be they in media or people walking around, we should kind of couch what it is that we say to make sure that in a general the candidates aren't roughed up too much. That's not the way that's ever worked.

And it actually, to be honest with you, would hurt the candidates in a general election because they will go into a general election with major sore thumbs that weren't exposed in a primary. That's not what I'm saying. We've been on this too long. My point is that if we're going to have intellectual conversations about it, they should be more well-rounded and not as one-sided.

And I feel like maybe we haven't always done that, but I feel like we're doing a better job of that. I'm not saying don't hold people accountable, but don't only talk about them in one way. That's all I'm saying. Okay, cool. So I'm just moving forward then, because like I just

we've covered so much politics on the podcast moving forward then we have to hold ourselves to that standard and then we will. We'll make sure that we don't pick winners and losers and it doesn't matter who it is. Yeah. Because it's Eric Adams or whomever

obviously there were sore thumbs in New York I get what you're saying but like in every single race people have who they have. I think this is more this probably has a lot more to do with the fact that he is a massive James Tilarico fan. And I got to say, he could be a massive James Tolarico fan because James Tala Rico is a white man.

No, no. And it really does have to do with the white man versus black woman. That's really what it comes up. Like the critique that why he was trending. Some of that I do not think that it was fair. Like people straight up said, like saying that Jasmine Crockett's launch video was tone deaf, that's massaging noir. No, we've got said it was tone deaf.

Like, the messaging is off. You guys, it's really important to be honest with Congresswoman Crockett or any politician that you are supporting about the way they are doing something and how it's coming on. Can I just to ask you this? If we had done, if our coverage on this podcast had been just criticizing her announcement, but then not watching like we both did, her full announcement, it would have been a discredit. Like, that's what I mean. I don't know if Keith did or didn't. If he didn't, that's a little lazy. if he did and then chose not to say anything,

I guess because he's only supporting James. Man, we got to keep it real. This is like if we run through the list, even on this podcast of black, the black ladies that we criticize or talk about on this podcast are black women on the right. Black women on the right,

they are completely free to tee off on, right? All of the black women stuff, none of it come like like a placidem. So if it's winsome seers or if it's Candace Owens or if it's whomever it is, if it's sage still, if it's any of these people, I get it. Let me explain what I'm saying. I get it. Those people are involved in anti-black rhetoric.

Anti-black rhetoric. But I'll be honest with you, the massaging war and the stuff that we're talking about, it definitely has to do with the black women that we, think are okay and worthy of protection. And so like because the black men that I'm talking about that engaging this stuff, even the ones that are on our side, beat their ass, whip their ass, they can handle it. This is politics. Like I'm not about to go out there and defend Candace Owens or Sage Still or any of these people. I'm not going to defend them. But what I'm saying is a lot of this identity stuff that we're getting into when it is then, when it overlaps

with politics, it's limiting. We have to find a way to talk about this stuff that is better and more nutritious. We have to. It's limiting. At this point, with the amount of things that are on the table right now, I want to see black people empowered. I want to see black women empowered. I want to see black men, black children, always empowered.

But they're for me right now. is a set of realities that exist, and there's just no way around it. There's a set of politicians that exist in this world and this country that are fucking useless. And a lot of them are black, and some of them are black women. And I'm not saying that Jasmine Crocker is one of them

by any stretch of the image. But I'm saying I'm not going to, I'm not going to pretend like that's not a reality anymore. Because- You're not going to blindly support somebody. because of the way they love. Not even blindly support because you probably could get my support. But, you know, these things are high leverage.

Not even blindly support. You probably will get my support. You're going to get the benefit of the doubt. But once the benefit has been doubted, we got to be able to at least talk about it. I mean, I think we did that with Kamala Harris. I don't think we did when she was running. No, no.

When she was running, absolutely not because she was right. I don't know we didn't. I just said absolutely not. I know we didn't. I'm talking about, but once it was, because it was like anything against Trump. But once she was done,

we read her book and I mean, there's a reason she hasn't stopped by here on her tour. I don't think that's the reason. I do. You know? I don't think the podcast is big enough for. I actually think that

she's been in smaller places. She's been in the smaller places. That's crazy. Anyway, I would love to have her. I think the world of her, I think that things could have been done differently. and I think that

Those aren't the interviews that are being had. I mean, I think, you know, go let the Palestinians speak. Those aren't the interviews being had, which is why I do not think that she's here. Yeah. Whatever. Well, we'll see how it goes.

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Yeah, Dr. Umar weighed in on the Netflix documentary on Diddy, The Reckoning. This is what the good doctor had to say. I saw the Diddy Documentary. Here's what I'm going to say about the Diddy Documentary. And I have no problem with black people holding black people accountable. I'm having a problem with black people needing to expose black people that indebtly. Yeah. But you never expose white people who do things to black people.

The Roman Catholic Church has taken advantage of way more children than R. Kelly allegedly did. Right. Are you following me? I'm following me. Jeffrey Epstein has taken advantage of way more women than Sean Combs allegedly did. But where is the documentary on Epstein by black people? Where is the documentary on a Roman Catholic church excesses on black people? You see what I'm saying?

So to me, the 50 cent documentary, again, respect the 50, no issues there. It is an example of self-hatred, disguised as community service. You see how that go? I don't care about 50 cents intentions as to why he put out this documentary. And I really think that that's what it comes down to. He's not wrong in Dr. Umar, which you'll never normally hear me say. He's not wrong in the sense that, you know, there are other things that need to be exposed and we should have energy, you know, exposing some of the corruption and abuse in other areas. That's true.

But I don't care why 50 Cent put out this Diddy documentary. I watched all four parts. Diddy is a predator. He is a monster. He is violent. He's an abuser. And for too long, he's been protected in this industry. And he's been able to walk over people, whether he does it through threatening or threats or violence or money, whatever it may be.

And it's a time that we stop portraying Diddy and. in a certain way. And so I'm here for it. I don't care why 50 did it. So to answer Umar's question, who did the, uh, one of the single greatest exposés on the Catholic Church in Boston, Spotlight, Boston Globe, they're covering things that are going on in their community. So the reason why black people tend to be the ones that comment on R.

Kelly or Diddy or whatever is because these are things that are happening. inside the community. You might have much less knowledge about who Jeffrey Epstein is, about the Catholic Church, we're not Catholics. If there was a tremendous amount of almost ritualized sexual abuse that was going on in the black church, and there certainly is some, okay, but if there was the structure that exists in the Catholic Church, if there was the covering up that exists in the Catholic Church, all of the various levels and all of that stuff that exists in the Catholic Church.

And it was like, that was a black church situation. You probably would see a little bit more interest into it. But if you're asking why, once again, we would talk about why we cover stuff or why things become big deals within black community is because these are intra-community issues. the young ladies that were being abused by R. Kelly were black. The women that were allegedly abused by Russell Simmons, allegedly, these women are black. These are black faces that you see up there. So these are things that are happening inside the community.

A lot of the stuff that you see with Puff, Puff didn't seem to fuck over no white people. If you look at the documentary, everybody in there, the only one that was there that Puff fucked over that was white was Aubrey. Everybody that was talking about I got beat out of this, that I got taking advantage of like this. These are all black people. So this is the same reason that black people comment on bad business deals or what's going on in a rap industry. People say it all the time. They go, well, white executives are taking advantage of black guys in the rap industry. Why do we care about black executives doing that?

There's a different cultural expectation. and there's a proximity. We talked about that. You are one of us. That's the reason why. I'll be honest with you. I tried to think of this. I tried to think of this in a way that wasn't toxic,

the 50 versus Omar thing. I tried. I tried to think of it and like, let's unpack it. But I got... You did a good job. I know, but I still got too much TMZ in me is the problem. So I can only think about just what a heavyweight championship match this is man

Umar versus 50 that's one of them ones Is it even a match? It definitely is a match That's one of them ones That's one that if they actually go there I actually did a tail of the tape Please do it You just mean a verbal argument

Now I'm not talking about I don't really get physical right No no I'm not even talking about physical Because I just feel like there's more 50 could say to Omar Not that 50, listen, and people are bringing that up. I'm not saying 50 is free from criticism or has not made headlines for his own indiscretions because he has. And I, and we, and we haven't really talked about that, but because I'm like, what Diddy did is wrong. I'm not, I'm not getting into the 50 of it all. I'm not, I'm not, us not talking about it doesn't mean that I am okay with things that 50 is done.

We're focusing on the Diddy documentary and it needed to come out. Right. I have, look, once again, I want to look at this, but it's just this is the type of shit that this is the part of me that I work on. Right? I work on this part of myself because I go, because it's like, oh, these are two brothers

that are going to each other. I wish these brothers with platforms wouldn't be going back and forth. But then I go, God damn, 50 versus Umar, that's one of them ones. So this is an interesting fight to me. This is the tale of the tape. Tail of the tape. Okay. So social media. That's 50.

Okay. 50 runs it. Social media. All right. So if it's a social media battle, 50 has... 50 wins. The art of the troll, I really feel like not very many people do it better. Agreed.

Than 50. Rhetorical ability. That's Umar. It's Umar. Okay. Umar got the lashes. Umar got comedy. Umar has the full gamut, the full range of rhetorical abilities.

He could be funny. He could be biting. He could be funny and biting. And his, like, he said that Cheryl Moore got double snow bunny. It's funny. He's funny. Oh, he's funny. Problematic, but funny.

He's funny. Cultural visibility. 50. It's a tie. Okay, visibility is the keyword we're focusing on. Cultural. Is the keyword? Hold on.

Listen, cultural. If it's overall visibility. is 50. Sure. But are you, see, I got the cultural. How many people know who 50 is who don't know who Omar is? How, in the book, in the culture. Well, that's why I'm holding on to the word visibility.

It's just visibility. Yeah. It's just visibility. Just visibility. Because if it's not, and it's like opinions. No. Okay, I got you. I got you.

I got you. Now, outside of the culture, 50 cent is a worldwide cultural superstar. Just visibility. 50 could go to Dubai. Dubai. He could go to all of these places. Everybody going to know who he is. But if they both in Jersey, they're going to walk down the street.

And it's going to be Dr. Umore. It's going to be 50 cent. Cultural Visibility, tie. Fear factor. 50. Tie. 50 has more power. 50 has more power,

but I'm just talking about who you don't want to see on that internet getting in your face. So Dr. Umar can only go so far. He can. But 50 can go. Because you know all I kept thinking, when this came out, 50's gonna make a documentary on you. Because he can.

Dr. Umar can't do that. You can't even get your school together. That is, ah, damn. That's a good point. You out here, is 50 ass out here asking for donations? Is he out here sending out his cash app

for you and your woman? This is personal. Of course it's fucking personal. If Dr. Umar didn't cost money, I would have him, we'd have him on this podcast. I ain't paying him to come on the podcast, but I would love to have him come on here.

Of course it's fucking personal. But listen, 50 is asking for donations. He said you got snow puppy. Oh, yeah, he snow bunnies me. Said Rachel got snow puppy. But what was the, you know how he does? He is funny. There's no denying it.

But you know how he does like the red stamp on it? I got stamped. But I can't remember what he called what the word is. It says snow puppy. I think he was talking about. He stamped it right on my face. So Fear Factor, I thought. It's so 50.

So, okay. So Rachel, you're making a. point is that whereas fear factor you fear what Dr. Umar says but you fear what 50 could actually do. He's got reach power and money. Yeah. Yeah. There ain't enough donations for Dr. Umar to combat that. See, okay. So then it's 50. Then I also had another one and it was resources and I guess that's where I have 50 at. Because he's there too. It's resources. Maybe I should have rhetorical fear but resources is 50. Okay. authority, just cultural authority.

I don't agree with much of what Umar says. So I'm going to not that it's a zero. It's a tie in zero for me. It's Umar. Black women would disagree. Black women would disagree. You think that most black women have a problem? He's a misogynist.

But see, I'll say something about this. Okay. Umar's views on black women are not progressive. Correct. However, you think women like that. I think that a lot of black women appreciate Umar's just obsessive allegiance to black women. To black women and the black family and don't fuck with these white girls. And please take this out if this isn't true.

Is he, what is his stance on the queer community? That's pretty bad. Okay. So. Pretty bad. That's what I thought. From what I've heard. That's what I've heard.

That's what I've heard. thought. I'm not saying that I just didn't want to accuse him of something that I wasn't sure. I'm not saying that Umar in any way from what I've heard I can't actually distill it in a way but it's it's it's it's been pretty bad from what I'm understanding about the black woman that I talked to about Umar is like if we're being real these types of brothers with these type they always been around and most of the ladies that I talked to they like they appreciate Umar's stance or black women and all that's.

I'm, and maybe I am the minority. He wouldn't want me. I don't think you're the minority. He wouldn't want me. I wouldn't want him or his mummoos. You wouldn't date, Umar,

you wouldn't go on a date with him? Mm-mm. But he, he appreciates black women. He wouldn't want me. I'm, I'm tainted probably to him. That's not true.

I think so. He believes that you can come home. I don't, look, I'm not in any way. To me, I look at this as this is one. of them ones. Now, once again, I'll say this. This is not me hoping that these brothers go back and

forth in public. I think we should do way less of that. Every single time I turn on my motherfucking phone, there's another beef. I don't know why. These media beefs, these back and forths, they're getting childish. And sometimes I play into them as well, but God damn, I'm 45 years old. But this one got my inner TMZ shaking. I don't think this was childish. I thought of this one was interesting when I saw it. But what do you think about Tyler Perry getting into it? What did Tyler Perry say? I just am like, do you not know that?

Say with you with you, Omar. Is this a real tweet? Tyler Perry went to Twitter. I just finished watching the Diddy docu series. I got to mean, I know I'm a freak too. But what that now... I don't think he would say that. Tyler, that's not real.

The only reason I knew that Tyler, I heard about the Tyler Perry thing, my mom came to me and told me that Tyler Perry had said something. Tyler Perry didn't say that. Let's, okay, let's just not do that. Because, but 50, but allegedly 50 responded. To what he thought was Tyler Perry. No, this is all coming from this one post and it's all. Oh, he wrote, I don't think this is real.

Yeah, yeah. This is. Damn, my mom got duped. I got to tell her Tyler didn't say anything. That's not real. Tyler Perry, not going to come out. While he's in a lawsuit, that's what I couldn't believe. All the accusations that have been against you.

But you know what's bad about this? If 50 really did reply, even if it's AI, 50 might be like, this still by being. a good thing to investigate. Now that I have your, Tala Perry has that type of he does have. Let's not forget of the, I believe, is it Christian Keys?

Christian Keys never named. He never named him, but there's a lot of speculate. There's enough, I think, maybe not to do a four-part. And the actual lawsuit, yeah. Yeah, and the actual lawsuit. That guy is not backing down there. All these rumors, you don't know what 50 could put together.

I mean, even with the reckoning, I thought we had already heard things, that all the people he gathered, the people I'd never heard of, the best friend. no idea what people might come together for. So even if it's not true, 50 might be like, I didn't think about that, but now I am.

That's, anyways, it's not real. But now it's on 50s radar, whether it is or it isn't. So don't be surprised if a documentary comes out. Yeah, Marlon Wands talked a little bit about his opinion. I think a lot of people have opinions on 50. That was childish. I'll tell you what, though. The documentary itself was good.

And it was very, very eye-opening. 50 and Diddy obviously had some kind of issue. And that was probably at the floor of the documentary. But the ceiling of the documentary was a lot of information that was probably very usable for people. There you go. All right. It's not to put myself to the test. Okay.

I have a very special talent. Go ahead. Keep tooting your own own own. is just true. You guys, I can look at a white person, someone who I know about, and I can guess how many times in their life that they've said the N-word. And what do you base this on, that you know that you have this skill? What do I base it on?

Well, you have this skill. It has to have been proven, right? Otherwise, how do you know it's a skill? How do you know you've been right? You have to prove the fact that you are great at this. So white people, in their white moments that they have with me sometimes, I'll tell them what their number is, and then they'll go, damn, that's pretty close. Who said that?

I don't want to talk about it. Because it might be some of your faves, and you guys might be shocked and appalled with some of the numbers that I come up with. I don't think I'd be shocked at anybody who thought it was cool. All right, we'll talk off. So I'll say to them, I'll be like, I know that's around your number and they'll go, oh, my God. So I've talked to them. Can I ask you this before you show us how great you are at this? Why is that important for you to know?

Because it makes white people uncomfortable. Okay. I'm so okay with that answer. A lot of people ask, a lot of people ask, Van, why do you do stuff? And I'll just be honest with you guys. I'll just keep it all the way real. You know, people use terms with me. Like, he's race obsessed.

racist, all that stuff. I'm not that at all. You know, I've always been down. Shout out to everybody back in the day, McKinley Middle Magnet when I was like, into Nirvana and all that shit. We've always, I've always exchanged culture with my white cohorts. But sometimes I look around in my world, and I look at all of the shit

that my people and my ancestors didn't have, and I just want you to know that I know. Okay. Okay. So how's that? You're having a great Tuesday. You're eating an ice cream cone. Well, guess what? We like ice cream too, motherfucker, and we can't have it. So enjoy your ice cream cone while we sitting over here in an ice creamless existence.

We invented all kinds of shit. We get no credit for it. So if you're going to get on the roller coaster, maybe you should know that Granville T. Woods, a black genius, invented all kinds of patents around electric roller coasters and all kinds of crazy shit. You didn't know that? You're enjoying all that stuff? Go forth and know that I know who. you are. Go forth. All right. So I've given Donnie, Donnie's going to throw some celebrities out

at me and then I'm going to guess their number. How many times I think they've said the N-word. And Rachel, I want you to be an arbiter and see if maybe you understand how I'm coming to these numbers. Quite the names on this list. Yeah, Donnie. Yeah. Go for it. First one, Sidney. Now, Sydney Sweeney is, I think, from Texas? No. Where's she from? Like, isn't she from like Montana. We can just easily look at. She's definitely not from Texas. Let's look at where Sidney Sweeney is from Washington. Spokane. Spokane, Washington. Okay, she's from Spokane, Washington. All right. She is how old? She's 30 years old, 29, 30 years old, something like? She's 28. Okay. She's, I said 30. Something like that. Okay. So Sydney, she is from Spokane, Washington.

She is nearly 30 years old. So the age in this situation lowers the amount of time that she's actually been able to say the N-word. She has that time on the planet to get her inward count all the way up. Can I add to it? What? She was born in Spokane, but she was raised in the Idaho Panhandle.

Idaho Panhandle. Not a lot of black people there. Okay, they're in the Idaho Panhandle. She's also, from what I gather, not that into the hip-hop type of culture and music, which would raise the N-word count, because maybe you're singing along to the songs. That counts as well.

Yeah, I would have put her in the song singing category. Right, but I don't think that I haven't seen her. Oh my God, I'm hanging out with Ice Spice or anything like that. However, there is something else to consider with Sidney Sweeney. And this is a right-leaning MAGA-adjacent personality. So I would normally give somebody with Sidney's profile 1,300 inwards. Jesus. But because of that stuff, I got to go up to 1,500.

I got to give her an extra 400. because she's around probably a lot of people that are saying the word. And then she's going, oh my God, nigger. So she's probably around people that are saying the word. And I give her an extra 14. She's hanging out on a set of Euphoria and all that stuff.

So I'm going to give her, I would say, 1,500. Oh, she moved to L.A. at 13. That's 1,600. That's an extra 100. Why? You could say that she's more, because think about it.

That means she lived in the panhand when she was very young. probably not using the word as like listening to the music or using the word as much, let's say started at 12 right, she started listening that kind of music. Well, if 13. It's not the music thing. Okay.

Or even even. But look, that party that she went to, Rachel. What party? Remember the party she went to? Everybody was Mac at the party. Oh, it was her birthday party, I think. It was some party that she was at. You look at that party.

That party was worth at least 200, 300 N-words. But you got to think about how her family would use it, right? Maybe when they see one, probably didn't see one up there. No, no, no, no, no. Watching TV. But where would you see one? You see one all, like, when you're around that type of situation, you're hearing, God damn it all the problems are because of the niggins.

Okay. So I'm going to give her. So I'm going to give Sidney Sweeney 1,500. 1,500 in words in her life. Okay. Donnie, next one. Next one. Timothy Shalame.

I'm excited about this one. Okay. Now, I want you guys to understand here when we talk about Timmy. This is not a shot of Timmy. I know you guys love some Timmy. Timmy is also in his early 30s. I think he's 30 years old. He grew up in New York.

29. He's 29. He grew up in New York. Okay. Big fan of hip-hop music. Big fan of basketball culture. All things like that. The fact that you grew up in New York,

that's where he's from, right? The fact that you grew up in New York, in the city of New York as a white person, establishes a baseline of 500 N-words. We'll talk about other cities. Then hip-hop adds hip-hop. The fact that he loves hip-hop, I'm going to give him another thousand N-words

on top of that. Okay? Then the fact that he be all up in the videos, dancing, Timothy's N-word count is 2718 N-words. That's how many times he said it. He said it, trying to be cool.

He probably says it less. Hey, by the way, I'll give you something else. Timothy said that he was scared to ride around in a car with Kendrick Lamar. Mm-hmm. Because he was in the middle of a Drake battle. And that was recent. That was recent. All right.

So that tells me that I need to subtract 400 N-words because he ain't quite that down. Exactly. 2300. Okay. So it's my job here to push back, you know. but there could be an argument made because he grew up in Manhattan because he grew up around diversity

you know went to Bookerty Washington Middle School went to LaGuardia went to LaGuardia what was the middle school? Bookercy Washington No 3,000 in words He got went to LaGuardia 90 up the number

Went to LaGuardia 3,000 you could argue that you could argue that he was equally around, like, you know people who think that they're down and maybe got a pass, maybe middle school was getting a pass, and then you, if you encounter somebody who's like, you're not supposed to be saying that. And then they like to prove how down they are because they know not to say it.

That is the reason why it's not higher because he probably has tails off in usage. His is probably higher than Sydney's just because of the way he's using it. You guys have to understand some of this usage is more about proximity and culture. His is higher than Sydney's, okay? It is. So better of fact. Okay. Who's next?

What else we got? Yeah, this next one is, let's see, Julia Roberts. Oh, man, this is a good one. Okay, so she's from Georgia. Right. She's in her mid to lay 50s. Mm-hmm. Think about her upbringing.

Upbringing is. The story they like to tell every year, once a year and remind us. Talk about it. I, did they entertain Martin Luther King Jr., his parents? Yeah. Her parents entertained his parents. Yeah, she has roots in the struggle. I'm going to go $750.

Because you would think that a older lady that is oldish lady that was from Georgia would have a higher count. But her parents wanted to take it away. They ingrained it into her. That's $750. And the $750 that she gets is just because of age. 750 in words for somebody like a Julia Roberts. 750.

The Martin Luther King Jr. shit. She loves to tell that story. That story is her N-word. Like when she is like trying to connect with black people, she's not trying to connect with black people and telling the story and stuff like that. She's connecting with black people by saying,

I was hanging out with Martin Luther King Jr. My parents were and all of that stuff. That story's her inward. That's her cultural. thing that she reaches out to across the aisle. What you got? You got something else? No, no, no. I was just going to give background. So apparently her parents ran a children's

acting school when they were pregnant with Julia and the children of Coreta and Martin Luther King Jr. attended the school. See, that's meaningful. And Walter Roberts was the acting coach of Yolanda King and in gratitude for his

service running the only racially integrated theater trip. You've got to lower her number in the region. And And due to the Roberts financial difficulties, Coretta Scott King paid Julia Roberts Hospital Bill when she played the hospital bill when she was born. 500. Yeah, you had to lower it.

You have to lower it even less than that. No, it's five. She's five just because she... The only racially integrated theater. True. Yeah, she just gets drunk a couple of times a year and lets it fly, but 500, 500. All right, Donnie next.

All right. What about Eminem? It's tough. Now, let's tell you why. Eminem, as a rapper, has made an incredible attempt at being very safe and nutritious to black audiences. Even though he said some problematic things about black women. That's the one thing that makes me think this number is fucking crazy. Behind closed doors.

Okay. Like so if Eminem didn't have that one song I would say that Eminem a guy who's You know in this I would give his number different Because maybe he's trying to keep it real But that one song when he got mad Is nuts Aren't you friends with Royce?

I am friends with Royce Why don't you ask? Ask if he's ever heard of him No Royce would never let Shout out to Royce Don't bring Royce into this See that's what people are loved to do Don't you know.

That's his man You have a source where you could at least Get some more insight on it That's all I'm saying. I'm not going to call Royce. Shout out to Royce. But so that one song, that one song is worth 5,000 NWords by itself. Because you let it, you let it.

And look, Eminem has been a good rap ally. Eminem wins the award. I think it was the Oscar or something like that. He goes up there and he thanks all the black guys and stuff like that. I think that what he did was he peaked early in inward usage. I bet it's tailed off over the years. But if we're talking about a race to 5,000, that nigga probably got there by like 17, 18.

He was definitely like probably saying it with his friends in the hood. And they probably was cool with it. Yeah, I definitely see that for him. And see, that's some of the Manhattan stuff going back to Timothy Shalame. The reason why he has what people will consider to be a high number is you go to New York

and you get inwarded from a bunch of different people and you're like, what the fuck is going on here? New York, interesting place in that people will say we will never let the Confederate flag fly here. We wouldn't go for that shit. But then Puerto Ricans is nigger, nigger, nigger. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? They'd be defending that to like 10 toes down.

Yeah, it's like, oh, we wouldn't deal with the Confederate flag. We don't see how y'all deal that in the South. But then it's like you go up there. It's like, nigger, nigger, but I digress. I'm going to go 5,000 for Eminem. And that's actually stalling them out. I'm going to be real with you. Okay.

That's actually stalling them out. Last one, Donnie. Last one. Marky Mark. Mark Wahlberg. Whatever number you give him, I feel like it was all before like 20. No, you tripping. You tripping.

You tripping. Okay, so where's Mark Wahlberg from in the world? Boston. And he was born in the 70s. That alone set his floor. Sets his floor. His floor is set at 10,000 inwards. I want to note that when I said 20 or 30, I'm at age.

10,000 in words, floor for Mark Wahlberg. Born in Boston, 1971, 10,000. That's the floor. So anybody born in Boston around what year has a floor of 10,000? If that's what you're saying? You're repeating it ain't going to change nothing. 10,000 is the floor. Okay?

You're repeating it is not changing anything. Okay? Now, we have to look at some other things with Mark Wahlberg, guys. Mark Wahlberg has had some controversies that are race-based. And I don't even know if y'all know this, but this niggil was a fucking terror at some point. There's talk that he threw a rock and hit an Asian guy in his face and blinded him. There's more talk that he actually threw rocks at black children,

getting off of a school bus. That act alone of doing that. In his past, it's worth 25,000 in words. In addition to the 10? In addition to the 10. So we're already at 35,000 inwards for Mark Wahlberg. Donnie gave you a little bit to prove your argument. What did Donnie give me right here?

Unlike anything that we have from the other people that you critiqued, you have some specific information here regarding Mark Wahlberg. Okay. So we're at 35,000. and that's before we get to rap feel it feel it come on come on he was a rapper and any white guy

that's a rapper you got to put some inwards on top of it there's more in words he's saying that he's trying to hang out he's you know he's hanging out he's with the guys from House of Pain and they're cool and then fucking Dayla Soul comes around and they like don't say it

and then but then they're saying it and all that I don't know if House is up we could talk about House of Pain What I'm saying is, is like, that right there puts him easily in the Mark Wahlberg Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame is named after Mark Wahlberg, plus 50,000 in words. Plus 50,000. It's a 50, plus 50,000. In 1986, 15-year-old Wahlberg and his three friends chased three black children while yelling, kill the nigger, killed the nigger.

85,000, bro. Jesus. 85,000. This is the 85,000 in words from Mark Wahlberg. 85,000. Legal Eagle here, I just want to note that all of this is an opinion. It's an opinion. I have to do that for definition purposes.

Legal Eagle, this is all an opinion. This is all jokes and factual opinions. Opinions. 85,000, man. Now, here's the thing about Mark Wahlberg, when you look at the bright side of things. Reform change. I don't think that any of these in words really happened after like 92, 93. See, that's why I said the number is, I think, before 20.

But just think about how crazy he was born. But that's why I say I don't think before age, I mean after age 20. That's what I was saying. But I agree with you. So not, I don't agree that 85,000. I agree that the number was probably crazy. We have actual evidence here. That's stalling them out.

We could go. 85,000. Boston. 10,000. A nigger was trying to rap. Through rocks of kids. Yield at him. And then said, I'm a rap.

Then perfect storm. Perfect storm for inward majesty. He's probably the king to me. He's probably the king to me. I can't do the math. I was trying to do the math on it. I'm not good at that kind of stuff. Do it.

How old is Mark Wahlberg? Let's do it. No, no, I'll do from age 20. So, no, let's say, so Mark Walker, so in 20 years, calculator, 20 divided by 85,000. How many is he averaging a year? How many in words a year is that? 42, 4,250. Easy word for him.

And that's, we're doing it by 20, so that's even before he could talk. Easy. So it's really more than that. Easy word for him. That was probably some of his first word. 15, like from winning. That's probably some of his first words. He probably got crazy in elementary school.

This is a crazy segment. It did like some of his first words. So this is, we're going to get back to it. Mark Wahlberg, 85,000. Sidney Sweeney, 1,500. Could go up with that. Timothy Salome, 3,000. Julia Roberts, 500, M&M 5,000.

That's fair. Anybody that y'all want to know, just reach out to higher learning and we'll tell y'all what the count is. One more, just again, legal eagle, this is all an opinion.

It is not rooted in any this is a scientific opinion. And y'all out there that be hitting me on the phone to argue different shit, I know y'all accounts too. I could tell the way y'all talk to me. I could tell the way y'all talk to me.

I could tell, there's something else you could tell about the N-WR account from the way somebody, talk to you. Like when you're on the phone with somebody talking about some world issues and they consistently talk to you like you don't know what you're talking about. And like

you've never done the research. I can tell what you are going to be afraid to talk to you because they know that in your mind the toll is going up based on how they say it. Based on any kind of information they just might be casually talking and be like, oh yeah, I remember when I

grew up in Missouri immediately. We'll part. We'll part. What part? What part? Like there's a running toll in your head. Well, part. No, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

The point is they will live in fear now talking to you. People should just start coming up to you and be like, my count is 300. They should just just like, self-report. So this is, so like people do this all the time. Approach van on the street and give him your count. One of my home boys was like. It's free judgment. He's not going to judge you because he's already assuming it.

One of my home boys, great guys from D.C. And he played AAU basketball. I was like that's 1500 just in that experience Just in what I'm saying? You're free? You're free? He's saying it because even if he's not saying it to those guys He's like around his other friends

And he's saying it. He's saying it. They're saying the word. All right. Y'all know that this is, y'all know that they say it. They say it. Yes, but you with these counts, let's go. All right, we got to get out of here.

Before we go, Young Thug is, he proposed to Mariana scientists. And this had a lot of people talking. Why? One, they didn't like the proposal. How come? Well, it was at his benefit concert. It's in Atlanta.

It was in front of everybody on stage. Maybe this is what she wanted. And this is why I say to everybody who's upset, guys, this is none of our business. Okay? We are not in their relationship, even though we do feel a closeness to it because of the leaked audio and video from jail when Thug was. there, but we don't know their relationship. We don't know the ins and outs. We don't know what she's put up with, what he's put up with. All we know is these are two people that have professed their love to one another and now they are moving towards marriage, which is something Mariah

just was on an interview saying that she wanted before she wanted to have a family. I wish them well. It's not of our business. It's none of our business. It's not your business how he decided to propose. It's not your business if you thought it was calculated or that he trapped her because he did it in front of everybody so it was hard for her to say no. It's not your business. that you think the ring is ugly. Okay? None of that. We wish them well.

I wish them well too. People decide to get married. Young thug, Mariah the scientists. I'm making another proclamation. And that is? 2026, Atlanta hip hop is coming back. Okay.

I'd love to see it. Atlanta hip hop, the dominance has been threatened by a lot of the inner workings of the relationships that have been going on with the hip-hop stuff. I think listening to what 21 is talking about, the calls for everybody to get back on the same page. I like his new album.

I like his new album too. Say whatever you want about 21. 21, don't miss with that music, man. Agreed. So I think 26 is going to be a big year for Atlanta hip-hop, and part of that is going to be because Drake is dropping. When? Iceman is coming out.

I gotta say something else and you guys not gonna like it. If in fact, Drake is punishing hip hop by not dropping music because of the way he's felt treated by the culture, you have got to be honest that Drake has been felt in terms of his absence. the absence of Drake moving around being in music dropping music obviously Kendrick too because Kendrick held it down while he was doing it but Kendrick is the type of artist that puts out

much less music in a much more pointed way obviously in my opinion the absence of Drake in hip-hop is affecting at least one portion of the music at least that portion of the music, that's radio, club-friendly, that keeps the club moving, that keeps the charts, all of that stuff,

that part of it is definitely affected by the absence of Drake and nobody else has been able to pick up the slack. I mean, that's evident in what you saw with the billboard.

No one seems like they able to pick up the slack. So I'm not saying that Drake is Atlanta hip-hop. I'm saying that Drake will drop. And a lot of those artists will work together again. We'll see what happens. It'll kind of energize the game a little bit because Drake's album will energize the game. I haven't really been too huge of a fan of Drake's last albums that he's put out. But he gets people talking

and he gets people singing and he gets people into it. And I think it's important. I think Atlanta's coming back. I think Drake is going to be good. I think 2026 is going to be a good year for hip hop and part of it because of all this stuff I just said straight up y'all hip hop is Miss Drake you didn't think that you would but it's just true you've missed them

tell them you miss them looking at can't oh no I didn't go on the whole rant that you did I mean I was waiting for you to say OVO OVO Look why I gotta I can't You're not wrong in what you said yeah I'm Don't try to put it on me it'd be like you miss them No I agree with what you're saying about hip hop

Remember time nothing Right time I introduced you guys. You never, you didn't introduce me. I did introduce you to drink. No, you didn't. He was there. He was happy to meet you. And that is not true.

And now, guys, this is not true. I've never met Drake. I've never met Drake. He treated you in a nice way. I've never met him. Like everybody, y'all don't have to pick aside. Y'all could like, you could say that Drake got washing the battle, which he did, right? There's nothing wrong with that.

But you could also say that the music matters and all of that stuff like that. Yeah, been to Drake concerts. You like that shit? Not as many of Kendrick as I've been to, but I've been to a great concert. It's okay to like both guys. It's okay to like his music. It's also okay to say that like I would love in 2026 to be able to have a good time. This year, fuck.

Yeah, this year. This year was rough for pretty much everybody I know this year was really rough. So let's lighten it up in 2026. We all need that. Congrats to Kendrick. Not Kendrick. Congrats to him too. But congrats to young thug, Mariah, the scientist.

Yeah. Yeah, they go ahead and do their thing. Protect your heart, though, Mariah. What do that mean? Just, I would say that to anybody. Stay out their business. Don't bring your shit onto them. Oh, I'll say that to anybody.

Protect the heart. Protect the heart. Before we go, Mariah, Carrie is back. Where does she go? When does she leave? She pops up every Christmas. Yeah, she does, yes, December 1st, but, you know. And that's dope.

I don't think that Santa is the symbol of Christmas anymore. I think it's Mariah Carey and a Santa suit. I hear Mariah Care, I know it's time for Christmas. She's a Christmas lady. It's time. She's a Christmas lady. Let's go, man. Take a thing, Cass off, but not stop learning.

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