Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Feeling for Josh Allen, Stephen A. and the Bruhs, Plus Charlie Kirk the Time Traveler

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Van and Rachel react to a weekend of sports before discussing Stephen A. Smith and frat life, the Black Panther Party in 2026, and military aid in Israel. Plus, Gavin Newsom caves to Ben Shapiro, and Candace Owens has a theory … a conspiracy theory. (0:00) Intro (0:58) Sisqo or Ne-Yo (9:01) Feeling for Josh Allen (24:21) Stephen A. Smith misspeaks (44:20) A Divine 9 discussion (57:50) The Black Panther Party in 2026 (1:11:20) AIPAC and congressional funding (1:36:07) Gavin Newsom sits with Ben Shapiro (1:53:33) The Charlie Kirk conspiracy Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? How I learning is on is Zad Van Latham Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. I wasn't recorded. I had pressed the record button. Okay. So what's going on with you?

Where are you at? I'm in Miami for the game. Well, not really just for the game. I mean, I work with the foundation. So I do this every year. I've heard people have been telling me you've been popping up everywhere. I literally, you love to do this. Whenever I'll get it from you during Super Bowl weekend, I'm sure I'll get it from you

All-Star weekend. I'm not everywhere. I'm just a foundation event. People hit me up. I seen your home girl. I was walking into a restaurant. I seen your home girl. I was in Tutsis.

I see your home girl all over the place. I haven't been there in a long time. Yeah, you're doing your thing. I have a question for you. I want to start the podcast with a question before we get into a really serious issue. We're starting a podcast with a really serious issue. Donnie, I'm going to, um, I'm going to, um, I'm going to, um, I'm a I'm actually going to, the first topic that we get to after I ask Rachel this question, I'm going to do it because you guys, we continuously attempt on this podcast to talk about the things that are most pertinent to our world.

Yeah. And we're just getting a shit ton of important things happening all the time. It's like such a dense news time right now. It's very, very difficult to keep up with the super important things that are happening. So we're going to start the podcast with one of those. But before I get to this, I have a question for you. Yes. Really, really for everyone here.

Everyone that knows. Who had the highest peak? Like the highest peak, the highest heights. Cisco or Neo? Who got to? Because I'm talking about at their hottest. Who got the hottest? Who beat?

Cisco. Is Cisco? It's Cisco. Now you know I'm always going to fall back on the true hill of it all. but and I know you're talking solo I know you're talking solo I know but you know I know it's solo but you know my identity

I'm not talking about as like writing songs and all that just the highest height the peak pinnacle who got to the peak pinnacle Cisco or Neo? You have to say Cisco name the Neo song that is equivalent to Thong song the person I was arguing with says

that so sick of of love songs has endured. Stop. Hold on for us. Wait a second though. Look at the kids. Like it, the person I was arguing with says that so sick of love songs has endured more than the thong song has.

That's not your question though. Sorry to this person. Sorry to this person. Whoever said this. But go ahead, Donnie. No, Donnie. Donnie, please go. Well, no, that's just not advanced question.

He asked what is, who had the highest peak, not who endured or who had the longest Rang. Yeah. Highest peak. I think Rachel's argument is correct. Well, I agree with Rachel. I think that is, I think that is clearly Cisco. Without a doubt.

But I got basically culturally bitched out by somebody who did it. Not bitched out like, but like, hey, how could you say it was Cisco? Neo was way bigger than Cisco was Neo. I don't think that that's true. Who said it? I can't talk about it, man. Was it a man or a woman? It was a man.

Okay. Dong Song still reigns to be one of the best, like, a top song. Not just for Cisco, just whatever year it came out. The beat drops. Everybody starts dancing. Remember how he was dancing on the beach. It was such a movement. Like, it still gets people going.

So Sick of Love Songs is a pretty song. It's nice. People sing along to it. but like it doesn't have an impact like a slow song like Love by Keisha Cole. When that everybody's singing that song. Like it's, I wouldn't, I don't even know if that's Neo's best song. It's a number one. That's the number one.

No, no, no. It's a number one. It's a number one on the Billboard Hot 100. It's a number one. It's a number one hit, which was the argument here that Neo got to a point. And I think when I was having this discussion, Neo last, Neo's peak lasted a little bit longer than Cisco's, because Cisco's second album

when it came out and had all kinds of problems and stuff like that. But Neo's peak lasted a little bit longer, but if I think if it's peak, because we're not even talking about Cisco's actual biggest record. His actual biggest record is not the thong song. What was it?

It's incomplete. Really? That's his actual biggest record. Like his actual biggest record is incomplete. So, but I just feel like at the time that Cisco was doing his theme because it wasn't even just then

it was like the DMX record what these bitches want from a nigga I tell you what the fuck is going on Remember that's my most problematic song Remember you asked that? You were like what's the song that you like this problematic? That's mine

Well y'all, we know y'all like that music y'all dance to it and then That's my most problematic song Don't do this fan Don't do that It's oh my next substack is called the genius tax. It's about the genius tax

and the genius tax that we're willing to pay for some people that we're not willing to pay for others. Right. It's interesting. So that's the next sub-sac. So we're here, all of us, to settle this argument, we're saying that the peak, if you're talking peak, is Cisco. Do y'all think Cisco or do you think it's Neo over here?

Jay. I agree with it I'm just talking to peak Cisco I definitely think Neo has much greater impact Wow Jay says Neo has a greater impact The peak is Cisco

Peak is Cisco So if we're talking like 2002-2000 Versus like the peak of them Then I feel like Cisco got hotter I feel like Cisco was hotter at one point That's the whole thing anyway All right well I was right

Told us to bring it up on a podcast and people. Yeah. Neo consistently was putting out hits. Like every, there was like every time in the 2000s, every year he was putting out hits. Cisco didn't have that. And then Cisco's career was like immediately after the success of Drew Hill, right?

It was like back to back. But yeah, longevity, it's Neo. Also, there's something that you have to say for Neo too is Neo was writing a lot of the biggest records. Nio was writing to the left to the left, Beyonce joint, even though she said. To the left to the left. She said that she wrote it and then he came back was like, nah, I wrote it. That was like a little, people don't really remember that little back and forth right there.

It's like, she said she wrote. She wrote on it. And he will come back and be like, yeah, she might have put in a melody or something like that. I wrote the record. It's like, God damn, you know, okay. I mean, but when you do that, if somebody, if like you wrote such a huge record that like people, It's like an anthem for so many women especially. And someone's going to say you didn't write on it?

He kind of had to. Yeah, you know, I wonder. Did he write for her after that? I don't know. She started fucking with the dream and then like it was different. But Beyonce has become like such a long way as a solo creator for herself. Like she like almost like in a Michael Jackson type way. when Michael Jackson is with the Jackson 5 and Motown obviously has a stable of writers and all of that stuff,

Michael Jackson learns, decodes, and has his own style and his own point of view. And then Michael starts writing and producing a lot of stuff for himself, but also with other people like Quincy Jones and people like that, Teddy Riley and all that stuff. So that's kind of the same trajectory that Beyonce was on. I'll say that like I've often thought about this with the Neo situation. because as a writer, you are taking like a backseat. It's kind of your writing for someone else. So you want to, I guess at the same time, let everybody know,

hey, I wrote this, but maybe not in a way that overshadows the artist. I don't know if that's a thing. I'd have to interview a writer or something like that. I'd have to interview someone. But for Neo, for someone who has that type of songwriting capability, it was very important to him, I guess, that people knew he wrote that record. It's part of them. As it should have been, that makes

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You guys, there's a lot of serious things that are happening in the world right now. A lot of serious things. But I'm not going to lie. Something happened yesterday. Actually, it wasn't yesterday. It happened Saturday. And it was so sad. so heart-wrenching that people on Twitter,

they were really moved by it. They just could not stop talking about it. And, you know, when we talk about these things, a lot of times it's difficult because you don't want to talk about things and, like, lean into victimization. You don't want to feel like a victim. You don't want to make somebody else a victim.

But in this situation, I've never seen an outpouring of grief like I saw when Josh Allen threw four fucking interceptions. And actually he didn't throw four. He threw two. Two picks and he lost two fumbles. And the outpouring that I saw from so many on social media, the outpouring that I saw from so many just in the sports world, in and around the sports world for Josh Allen, fucking off a game that they probably should have won.

I've never seen anything like it before. You have Robert Griffin III. This raw emotion from Josh Allen is why Buffalo and his teammates love him. It means something to him and he isn't afraid to show it. Real Man Cry. That's after Josh Allen cried after he turned the ball over four times

and the Broncos lost in overtime, excuse me, one in overtime. They beat the bills. NFL, the official NFL Twitter. The official Twitter of the league tweet it out got a feel for Josh Allen okay chase Daniel feel absolutely awful for Josh Allen seems like the same ending every year for him then he went in to talk about the turnovers I mean Dan Orlovsky Josh Allen Albert Breer uh hard not to feel terrible for Josh Allen carried that offense this year Josh Allen had the number one rusher in the entire NFL fuck that nigga he had the whole he had to hold he had to hold he had at the number one rusher in the entire NFL. Okay? The guy who led the NFL in rushing

played for Josh Allen's team. He carried the offense the whole year. Battled through a ton of injuries. It would be cool to see him in the Super Bowl Sunday, but it won't be this year. Wow. You know, listen to me. I honestly, I haven't seen anything like this in a long time.

I don't want to talk about the time that we've seen an outpouring like this just recently before. I don't want to bring that up. I think you guys know. Some of you might have lost your jobs because of that outporn. I haven't seen anything like that for a white man since that other time. I think you guys, I, my heart goes out to Josh Allen too. Like my heart goes out to Josh Allen too.

Four turnovers in the game. Fuck the game off. But man, man, oh man, we got to do something. We got to, we got to reach out to him. We got to help him. We got to help by Josh Allen. When you started off talking about this, I thought, oh my gosh, which topic is he leading with? About halfway through, I knew where you were going with it.

Now, I will admit, there was a lot of support for Josh Allen. But you know, no, stop, stop, stop, stop. You know why. You know why. You know why. I don't know anything. All I know is that I saw somebody go out. and play a pretty shitty game.

Who was favored to win that game? I think the line was like one five. The Broncos were at home. The Broncos. Okay, so here's the thing. For people who don't watch football, yes, it was a lot. It was excessive, the support.

But as one of the people read, one of the tweeters that you read said, it seems like the same outcome for Josh Allen. But Josh Allen has led his team to the playoffs 17, 17, I mean seven times, he can never get to the Super Bowl. This time, not even the AFC championship. Last year, he won the MVP, right? He won the MVP. He won the MVP.

And what was the storyline about him winning the MVP? It was that. Lamar Jackson had a better season. That, but everyone was like, oh, well, he doesn't have that much. many weapons and what he was able to accomplish as an individual player, you know, is why he's so deserving of the MVP. They don't even really equip him with the offensive weapons that he needed to not have so much on his back.

As far as wide receivers, you mentioned, obviously you mentioned Jab's Cook. That's different. But as far as wide receivers, they pretty much give him the same thing again. I didn't think that they would play as well that they did this game, especially with the injuries that they have going into it, especially with him not having the off. offensive weapons that he needs to get over the hump, to have a, to put them in a position to win the Super Bowl. What's going on?

You don't, what's going on? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? It's fine. He's like, he's, no, no, no. Let me just, I want to explain to people why I think people are rallying around him so much. I'm not a bit, I'm not, I'm not in support of the Buffalo Bills or like a super fan by any means.

But the point being is, I don't think people thought they were going to even come as close as they did in winning the game. And they were down until the third quarter until they came back. And so I think that there was this hope even more so that they were going to win, that they were going to make it. I'm not even going to talk about the officiating that everybody's so upset about. I think that they were they were like, oh my gosh, we're going to get there. And then they didn't. He wasn't the only one crying. You had cooks crying in his locker. They said he was crying so hard his body was shaking. You had, oh, I don't know, I don't remember remember the other player who started crying.

The big lineman, yeah. Who started crying when they said, how do you feel about Josh Allen taking it on himself? I think that they were so hopeful that they thought they were going to win that it made the defeat even harder. That's why I think everybody was so emotional and then so supportive. And then here again, Josh Allen almost got there and once again lost. I agree it's successive, but I understand that they were built up so high this game.

and then it just all came crumbling down to what they feel was it was a bad call. So this is what happened, in my opinion. In the past, Josh Allen has been up against quarterbacks, Lamar Jackson, and Patrick. Guys like that and he has not been able to get past them for whatever reason he's come up short in these games. You look at the landscape of QBs now that were in this year's playoffs, all right? There's no Patrick Mahomes, there's no Lamar Jackson, a lot of the other guys that are gone, that are elite, not in these playoffs, okay?

You had Caleb, you had C.J. Strout, you had Drake May, you had Bo Nix, and you had the teams that surround these guys, of course, you had those teams, but you also had guys that, or teams that people thought that the bills could get passed. And people thought that this would be the year, that their golden boy would get past those teams. And then the golden boy went out and turned the ball over four times.

And rather than do what we do with everyone else, the way we treat a James Hardin, the way we treat a Lamar Jackson, we don't talk about what happened, we talk about what we wished happened and how bad we feel. Y'all don't feel bad for Lamar Jackson. Y'all don't feel bad for James Hardin. Y'all don't even feel bad.

You don't feel bad for Luca. Like what? You know, you guys don't feel bad. I just don't like the golden boy shit. I don't like it. You feel bad. Yeah, it's tough when everybody loses. When somebody, when I see the confetti falling and I see somebody on the bench, I go, damn, that's tough.

We talked about it. Me and you talked about it. I said it before. I've been on the other side of victories and saw someone that I beat, see their mom crying and all that stuff. I go, ah, man, that's tough. That's tough. It's tough that you have to lose. I'm a bleeding heart.

People know that. But what I don't understand is how the reaction was not to analyze how he needs to be better, which is what these sports pundits do, but talk about like how bad you feel for him. To me, I was actually taking the back after a while. I saw a tweet from a lady that said, and this is crazy, I saw a tweet from the lady that said, the lady said, I would rather have Josh Allen as my quarterback than have a Super Bowl. I would rather have Josh Allen.

That's just another level. This is the type of shit that I'm talking about, though. I really don't get it. I just think it's the perfect storm of what I was saying, of also what you said with Mahomes being out, with the Ravens being out with Lamar. That's who he's gone up against and hasn't been able to get past in the past. and people really thought this was it.

But I think that I think it's excessive, but I'm not shocked at the storyline. Like, look at what the story was going into the game. So I'm not shocked. And the way they lost, I'm not shocked that people are acting like this at all. The way they lost in terms of the controversial call that ended in the end in the end of the inception here.

Yeah. And a lot of people say, you know, Josh Allen left the field with the lead. It's true. left the field with the league. But all I'm saying is this. You can't turn that bitch over like that, man. You can't.

You can't turn that bitch over. You're a quarterback. You can't turn that bitch over. You hear how they were talking about CJ? Not that he's been in the league as long. It's a different story, like different history coming into the game. Nobody feels bad for him. Nobody feels bad.

Matter of fact, I heard a commentator say he's really been chasing the success from his rookie season and he hasn't been able to get there. That was Troy Eggman that said that. I didn't see who said it. That was Troy Eggman that said that. Troy Eggman, a guy who was a great competitor, a great QB, that was legitimately on a cyborg football team. You guys, I talk a lot of shit about the Cowboys, but those teams weren't real. There were cyborg football teams.

Cyborgs at the motherfucking wide outs, the deep threat. And then obviously y'all can see now that Michael Irvin isn't a human being. You can see him now. He's not a person. He's a thing. You look at him right now, 60, totally shredded. More energy than me. Probably haven't slept in 10 days.

The line. A bunch of fucking animals. A bunch of animals. Emmett Smith, the greatest rusher of all time. Don't get me started on the defense. Everybody on that team was a bunch of gnarly, gnarred-out killers. Then they added Dion Sanders to that bitch after a while. What are he talking about?

So he is obviously criticizing C.J. Straub because he's like C.J. Stroud hadn't lived up to it. He had to come out, throw a couple of slants, hit one over the top, and the Cowboys was going to win. That's what Troy Hickman had to do. Okay. That's facts. Okay. Let's just look at the numbers. Hold on.

No, no, no. While you look up the numbers, I do want to say this about C.J. Stroud. Yeah, he's only been in the league for three years. I was like looking up his stats and it's like he's led his team to the playoffs three times in three years. His percentage, his yard percentage was less this year, but his completions were better. He was a better percentage. He's actually not still chasing his rookie career. Yeah, he had a bad game last night or yesterday, but he's not doing that much worse.

So it is, I just want to like give CJ Stroud some credit. But go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, tarnish the Cowboys. I'm not doing it. Go ahead. The best season that Eggman ever had, they were in a run first offense in a different time in the league. Straight up. The best season Eggman ever had was 92. He completed 63% of his passes for 3,400 yards, 23 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions.

Okay. All right. That's the best season that he had. You can maybe say 93, he had a higher quarterback rating, but in 93, he had 15 touchdowns. to six interceptions. He never threw more than 23 touchdown passes in one season. He never threw for 3,500 yards in the season. It just wasn't that much ass of Troy Aikman as it was, everybody else.

He had a lot of people around him. Don't get me wrong. Consumant leader. Consum of professional, professional, completely in a different era. All of that stuff, totally different. Now, I could throw some Damarino numbers in here and some other people in numbers in here. They might fuck over all this dumb-ass shit. But those guys didn't win.

But I'm saying, for him, to say it's pretty rich, but at the same time, I just, we can move on. I just was, I was very moved by the outpouring of, of emotion for Josh Allen. They really love him. And they really loved Peyton Manning till he fucking sleptwalk to a couple of championships, right?

The guys they love, they love them. The other people, y'all got to go out there and actually play big in the biggest games. So it's very interesting But you fuck with that You like that You like that You like that you

You like specific You like that type of shit You think that Josh Allen You understood it You understood it I totally Understood what people I didn't say

I thought it was excessive I didn't say I agree with it But I'm not shocked by it Yeah Okay Well I'm not I'm not shocked by it either I just think of some bullshit But that's okay

We'll continue We'll continue to go out here I do like to see raw emotion, though, in sports, though. Maybe that's the one thing I'll give you out of all of it. Like when Tio cried, I love it. I love it when they cry. I have no problem with it.

I have no problem with the crying. Him crying for himself is cool. Even RG.3's thing, RG3 looked at that. He's talking about the crying. I have no problem with the crying. I have problems with the fact that he turned a bowl over four times. I'd rather. And on the other side of it, we got to talk about,

he'd turn the ball over four times. I feel so bad for him. Feel bad for his teammates who have to watch him give the ball up as they're out there performing. He's turn the ball over four times. I'd rather have Josh Allen as my quarterback than when a Super Bowl is crazy.

I trade my quarterback in every year for a Super Bowl. Come on now. Oh, I want to get you on this one because we got two frat. We got two frat topics in a row. Donnie? Yeah. Stephen A. Smith was on his podcast last week addressing claims that he has sold out.

And while addressing those claims, stepped in it and made it worse. Let's hear what he had to say. Black people don't like me. I'm from Hollis-Queen, bro. I'm from the streets of New York City. I go to the streets of America everywhere all over this country. I'm inside and outside arenas. I'm inside and outside local businesses and stuff like that.

I'm the ambassador for HBCU Week in concert with Ashley Christopher and other people. I've helped generate over 12,000 scholarships and excess. of $150 million for black students. I'm a member of Osega, Omega Sci-Fi fraternity. I ain't just down with a fraternity. That's a brotherhood. All of them are my boys. Okay.

I cannot believe this got as much traction as it did. I cannot believe it did. Now, listen, there's a lot of things to pick apart with what Stephen A. Smith says. And this whole rant was giving, I have black friends. But him slipping up and saying, when I saw the headline that he misprice,

I thought he would have said something like, O'SGA sci-fi, and kept it moving. He said it and immediately corrected himself. He misspoke. I was like, guys, why are we doing this? At this point, we're just ready to get after Stephen A. Smith for anything. And I understand, right? He's disappointing a lot of people.

But this was not the one. This was not it. And this is where you just give him fuel and motivation to try to victimize himself in all of this, the criticism of stuff he gets. This is not the thing to do. So not only was he not wrong about this. I think that Stephen A. Smith is the wrongest man in America.

Yeah. I do. I think he's the wrongest man in America. He almost like, it's like a mutant superhuman ability to read a situation wrong. You know, it's impressive. It's like, it's very, it's interesting how he can just like read a political situation. completely in the wrong way. It just completely have a total gap in his anal-what?

No, I just think it's interesting that you say that as if, like, he's, I guess I see it differently, right? Like, when people get after Scott Jennings and they talk about not just like his smirk and his smug look, it's like he can hear something, but no matter what, he's going to come down to the same conclusion because he's going to be on one side, right? I think he knows better, but he's got a job. Like, that's what he's going to do, right?

He's going to align himself with that. He's never going to say anything different. I would almost put Stephen A. Smith in that same box. I think Stephen A. Smith, I don't know if he believes every single thing that he's saying. I think it is motivated by other things. To what exactly? I'm not sure, but he's not stupid. Let me tell you what I mean by that.

But before I get to that, let me say what I was saying here. Number one, not only do I not think that he's wrong for the Osega Kai Kai thing, think he's slipped up. Like, once again, here on this podcast, I probably shoot maybe like 62% from the field with words, you know? You know, I'm on concerted today, so maybe I'll be clearer. But it happens. You get, I'm mumbled mouth. I've been doing my, I've been doing my vocal exercises. You want to see?

What is this is? And what is that supposed to help you with? That loosens up your shit. That loosens up your, that gets you ready to go. So I've been walking around like, yeah, check this. It makes you better, articulate. People are a little slower. Not only do I not think that he's wrong or there's anything to really talk about with this.

I also think the other point that he was making is probably true. When we say that black people don't like Stephen A. Smith, I think that's probably a gross over simplification of what black people is. When he goes places, I bet people are happy to see him. 100%. I bet Stephen A. Smith goes to the barbershop. They're happy. I bet Stephen A. Smith go. See, I just did it. He goes to the HBCU. They happy to see him. I bet black people are happy to see Stephen A. Smith. I think when we're saying black people, we're talking about black people with a specific politic that look at things in the way that we do. And even some of the and them. Probably when they see him just what he's accomplished and all of that stuff, they probably

still happy to see him. Let me pull you to the side and talk to you a little bit. But let me tell you what I feel like the difference between Stephen A and Scott Jennings is. Scott Jennings is wrong, but he's wrong because I disagree with his interpretation and analysis of things. Scott Jennings has to launder the thoughts that he has in a more comprehensive way. So he does that. So he does that. Like he has to be on television and win an argument and own the libs. You don't own the libs just by saying shit.

You own the libs by demonstrating things. Even if some of the basis of what you're saying is untrue, You still have to posit it as true in order to build your sandcastle. Stephen A. Smith will just read a situation wrong. And what I mean by that is this. The Jasmine Crockett thing, he will say, how does going on television and calling out the president or insulting the president, what does that do for your constituents? He'll just say that. he will completely leave out the fact that Trump started attacking her.

He will completely leave out the fact that she is attacked all over the place by all of these different types of people. And then even the analysis of what does that do for your constituents to me is faulty and lacking. Because I could argue and would argue that anything that makes Jasmine Crock or anyone like that or more powerful and relevant politician actually strengthens her constituency wherever she is. And in looking at her and in the way that he did, he completely left out one other thing, that she is one of the few Democrats that actually cuts through. None of that was in his analysis.

the fact that what she said actually gets to people and that she actually is able to message to people in a way that wakes them up and gets them going and other Democrats can't, Jeffries can't, Schumer can't, whatever. It was just such a basic, almost respectability politics stacked burger of nothing that I wondered how you could come up with that. It seems as if he's getting talking points or not even talking points or information. Like just before he gets on the show and then he sits down and says the first thing that comes, you know, out of his, out of his, first thing that comes to his head. So to me, I look at all of this stuff like this. It's like it's very difficult to kind of discern what his politics actually are. Because when he's not doing that, he's both sides in an issue in a really impotent way in a way that kind of doesn't mean. make a lot of sense. It's one thing to look at an issue and then talk about it, but then give

space to how somebody else might see it. There's a different thing in looking at something and no one being able to glean what you actually really even think about it. You're just saying shit. And so to me, if I was to look at Scott or any other people from the right that I look at, they have to build a, a, some of the same. Somewhat sturdy structure of ideas to be able to make people believe them because they're taken seriously. Like Stephen A. Smith just goes out and says stuff and the shit is just wrong. The shit just the shit wouldn't make any sense even from like a bird's eye view, like a neutral view. He just leaves things out.

He says things that aren't really accurate or are missing context to such a degree that you wonder how you could come up. with that and I really sometimes wonder if there is a glitch there and not the way that he actually sees things but the way that he's synthesizing the information and you also have to remember something real quick like he's a reporter so stephen a smith has never been an analyst just for people who know Stephen A. Smith can sit down and talk sports he can sit down and talk about But like if you were ever to ask him to be, um, to look at game tendency and game flow and all that stuff,

man, I encourage people to go back and watch it. Watch Mark Cuban, go sit down with Stephen A. Smith and skip Bayliss, the owner of the team and fucking work them on what was actually happening in the basketball game. Like, fucking go, go, don't even, don't take it from me.

go back and watch an analyst sit down and in front of Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayliss and fucking work them. Watch J.J. Watch some of these people sit down and work. Watch Tim Legler do it to Skip Bayless. So a lot of this stuff, if you take what he was doing in first take land and then you bring it over to what he's doing in politics, you're kind of going to get this because this is what it always really. was. Hmm. Okay, you said a lot there. I'm going to try it for number seven

I think you're giving Scott too much stuff. I'll just leave that there. I don't think that he's always owning the libs, as you said. That's not what I said. I didn't say he was always owning the lips. I said that's his goal to own the lips. I don't think he's owning the lives like he thinks he does.

I think a lot of times, and I don't faithfully listen to Scott Jennings, but I watched a clip of something where he talked about. His role on the show is like WWE and something else. And like, Adam Freedling. And like, to me, that's like you're, he knows he's just there to rile people up, say the opposite of it, and to in an entertaining way. He knows fully what he's there to do. With Stephen A. Smith, I agree with you in some of it.

I also do think that he has a motivate. I don't know what it is. I don't know who it is, what, why, whatever. But it seems to me that he has an agenda when he says some of the things that he says. And I'll agree with you. They aren't as well thought out or he excludes certain things or isn't aware that this person said this. But it feels like there's an agenda behind the things that he's saying. The other thing you said, Stephen A. Smith.

I forgot. I knew I would. I could. I could remember everything. Wait a second. I was like, let me write it down. So I said too much. So I said too much.

So the other part of it was me talking about him analyzing sports. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. I, thank you. You're right, he's a reporter. And he might not be able to analyze the game or situations in the way that Mark Cuban has. I know we've talked about that before on this podcast because you've talked about that that clip. But ever since he's done first take, he's been more than a reporter.

Ever since he's done it, he's been more than that. So, like, he does, I guess I'm not correlating necessarily what you were trying to say about him being an analyst, but that is what he does. Now, I'm not saying you have to agree with his opinions or not, but he has been opining for decades. Yeah, that's what he started out as, but on first take, that's just what he does. on his radio show when people will call in. That's what he does.

So he might be getting the politics of it all wrong. But what he's doing on serious now with politics is no different from what he was doing as a radio personality when he had a show on ESPN. Yeah. Okay. Fair point. Let me kind of tell people what I'm trying to say. First of all, the thing about Scott is like I've gone back and forth with Scott.

So I know that if you say something wrong or that if you, I'll be back on this week, by the way, if you say something wrong or if you have a fact wrong, part of what he does is knowing how to get you. So you got to go in there and be ready, right? Not just for him, but for the other people on the panel and stuff like that. Those are people who their lives are politics, right? A lot of what they're saying, lies to me, not true, not lies to me, lies, not true. they are laundering Trump's reputation and all of that stuff. But even when those people launder that stuff,

they launder it with some type of foundation. Like they kind of have to, right? They'll still, they'll, I don't even want to get into all of that. Fuck that because I'm just going to go off on the tangent. But you guys know what I'm trying to say. What I'm trying to say is they invent things, but they try to thread them through a pinhole of logic or some old obscure law.

any of that stuff. What I'm saying about Stephen A is this. I'm saying that what didn't bother people in the sports world is bothering people in the political world because the stakes are higher. So there's attention right now about what type of NBA coverage that people want. Because a lot of the NBA people are stat heads. or not not they are they're advanced stats people is why they fell in love with yokeage and all that type of stuff like that

they want to talk about true shooting percentage we talked about the 5040 90 thing that's actually kind of an archaic metric right that's actually kind of a metric that's like from like 10 years ago so we weren't wrong and not knowing it no you were okay keep going no no no no I mean like no you were I mean just amongst the people that I know y'all looked crazy, but that's okay. But because there's a new stat that comes up every single time. Okay, true shooting percentage. Do you know what that is?

Do you know what true shooting percentage is? Right. Yeah. So, but what I'm saying is those are the types of things that people are into. So what they really want is they want somebody to sit down to some of them, not all of them. They want somebody to sit down and be like, okay, these are the things that happen better when this player is on the court. This is how this player affects the flow of the game.

This is how the pace of the game picks up or slows down when they're on the court. This is their plus minus. This is what they do. Swing, swing, ram screen, drive kick. Like all of the stuff that really was pioneered by John Hollinger, Kurt Goldsbury, all of the other guys that people look at. When you listen to Zach Lowe or some of the people that work here talk about basketball, they talk about it in a very analytical way.

Even from the contracts and stuff, this is what happens in the game. Baseball completely different, right? The baseball is completely different. War, wins above replacement, all of these things. Like, people can tell you, like, what months players, like, tick down because of back-to-backs,

and how much sleep they're getting all of that stuff like that. That's never been first take. That's not what they do. I know. The criticism of, that was that. So what I'm saying is that if you come on there and you go, hey man, this guy got to do better. He just don't want it enough. You got to be the man in crunch time. You just don't want it enough. People go, okay, what's not happening in crunch time?

Like what's affecting this guy? Like, is he just going out there and forgetting how to play basketball? He just doesn't want it enough? Or is there something that the defense is changing? Or they're running different defensive looks at him? Is the coverage different? What could he do? Like make me smarter about the game. You've never gotten that from first take. But also people don't demand it from first take. Yes,

because what they really demand from first take is the entertaining argument. When people get into politics, they're actually demanding an analysis that has some type of basis in knowledge. All great. They're demanding a different type of analysis from him. And I don't know that he's capable of it. Not that he's not capable of it. capable of it from an intellectual standpoint,

but it's never been what he's done. Right. That has not been what he's done ever, ever. I think that's what a lot of people were wondering when he announced this show. It was like, just because you have an interest doesn't mean that you should have a show. And there's one more tension and then we can move on. But there's one more tension here as well. Is that he's something politically that he is not in sports.

He's a fence rider. In sports, Stephen A. Smith comes out, says what he says, and just lets it marinate. Says what he says. Let's it go. Throws it out there. Goes for it. In politics, he doesn't. He attempts to both sides an argument.

He doesn't come across, he doesn't want to come across as to liberal. He certainly doesn't want to come across as to. conservative, he has to remind people that he's only ever voted for one Republican in their entire life, and that's Chris Christie. He has to remind people at all the time. He has to remind people that he voted for Kamala Harris. He used to remind people about all of these things, while he tends to look at every single political issue through a conservative lens. There's an inconsistency there that is confusing to people, and it also muddles what it is that he's doing. He's like, And so either he's wrong or he's pussy.

And he just can't really stand on the shit that he wants to stand on. Either he's not seen it. I could easily see a world where Jasmine Crockett actually bothers him because she actually bothers conservatives. They're not pretending. Like she actually bothers them. So he might look at her and be like, what the way she acted? And be actually bothered by her.

But he can't say that. because if he says that, then he's one of them. You think, okay. No, no, I'm asking you. No, no, that's it. We don't have to keep talking about Stephen A. Smith. I don't want to keep getting into it. Did you see this video of the Capas?

I did. I'm afraid that people might be being homophobic about the Capas, man. They are in their comments, or at least the way this was posted. Donnie, play the video. Okay, so they are up on each other there. They're like, so there's a, there's a guy in the front and he's doing his stuff. And in the back, they're kind of, they're hugging each other from the back. Why?

This is not funny. There's nothing funny about it. This is not a dis. To me, the whole thing is funny. It's funny because when I saw the headline, it was like, the cap was under attack. I'm like, what? So, you know, what are your thoughts? People, okay.

People who are seeing this from anything other than exactly what it is, a probate, brings back such good memories from probating or even attending them on college. Either. It's always fun. Are not familiar with, I'm not even going to say you had to go to college. You're just not familiar with black Greek life and probates. because I've seen that lineup so many times from women and men, right? And it's for a lot of reasons.

One, it could just be tradition. That's just the way you line up. But two, what I thought when I watch this and I can't see a wide view, was that they all needed to fit on the stage together. So I also thought that's why they were crowded up by that. But like usually when you're in line, you're tight, you're in formation. And, you know, like you're supposed to be moving as one. And so that required the closeness as well.

But people who are picking on it, they truly just don't understand what this whole culture is. I watched that and I got excited. You got the H-town. They swaying, rocking back and forth. The excitement of, you know, whether you're on stage or you're in the audience, you see somebody, you're like, I thought they were online, but I wasn't sure. And then they pull off the mask or they looks like they had a hood on, pull it off. And then you get all the screams because it reveals that this is, you know, hey, you finally get to show everybody you're a part of all of this.

Such a moment. And the fact that they're turning it into something else, creating. Now you got me laughing. Creating something that it's not is wild. Stop attacking the captains. This is not what you're trying to make it. Remo. I saw this on Remo's shit.

Remo cool. He's the one who posted it. Yeah, he posts the last. stuff like this. Okay. It puts a lot of stuff like this. And it says, uh, the frat is facing backlash from hugging each other from back in celebration of Founders Day. I mean, were they facing backlash or was this just his head? Was it just kind of the thing? And do the, do you feel like the Capas have any type of reputation as far as this is concerned? Van, let's move on to the next topic. I'm not even about to do this with you right now. I'm not about to do this. It's a joke.

Every noop I know, they're some of the coolest niggas. They're some of the coolest niggas. I'm starting a new company with my man KJ. Shout to KJ. We're pitching the shows and movies and stuff like that. And it's funny because KJ is, he's an alpha from Dartmouth. Okay. Right.

Shout to my man KJ. KJ Booz, right? We're starting a company together. He's an alpha from Dartmouth. And so me here, we're talking about this. And I say to him, I go, Okay, you're an alpha from Dartmouth. Like, how many crossed your line?

Four. It was four, wasn't it? It was four people. It was four people. It's funny to me. And then I have to ask. You're so mean. I had to ask KJ a little bit about, you know,

because the alphas have they shit too. It's funny when they do the Egyptian shit. Put your hands down now. But you can't stay out. Because they like, and the alphas, they like, it's all about Egypt or some shit, right? Your obsession with Greek life.

Wait, wait, wait. How many people do you think cross with me? At Texas, what year is this? 2005. 2005. Wasn't really a big time for nigger shit like that. You're at Texas. I'm going to say you had seven girls with you.

That's exactly right. Boom. Seventh heaven? Seven heaven? Seven heaven? Seven, seven days in heaven. We were called the countdown. The countdown.

Oh, the countdown. We lost one. That's why we got into the countdown. Oh, they got rid of one? We lost. She left. I seen a couple people because it was, it was Delta's Founders Day, like recently, right? Mm-hmm.

Okay. I saw that because everybody You didn't tell me happy Founders Day Well I didn't see you say anything about it I did post actually Okay okay okay But I saw a lot of people They know this is a happy Founders Day

And all that stuff like that So but I saw a couple people The denouncing is still going on It's so funny What's going on with the denouncing? The denouncing is still happening Like I saw a couple people be like I am no longer a AK

Hey, I'm no longer a delta. I am no longer. The denouncing is still, what's going on with the denouncing? Why is this a pain? I don't even know. If you wanted to, just go. I don't need you to do all that. Just leave.

You probably weren't paying or an active anyway. Just go. Like, why is it happening? I have no idea. If you guys don't know what this is, there's a phenomenon. So black frat- It's not a phenomenon. If I could be allowed some latitude to discuss this.

It's not a phenomenon. That's an outsider. Black frats are different than white. white frats in that if you talk to one of your friends that's in a white fraternity, they're going to say I was that thing. So if you talk to your friends in one of these white fraternities, they're going to say, hey, I was Kappa Psi or Kappa Pai. We used to go collect niggas at 2 a.m. in the morning and they kick the shit out of them for fun. Okay? And these white fraternities, they're almost all races.

So like, it is, I was that. Black people don't say that. They go, I am this. You're in it for life. You full life. Okay. But people are denouncing. People are denouncing.

They're saying, I'm no longer an A.K. I'm no longer a Delta. I'm no longer Zeta. They're denouncing. It's a phenomenon. It's been going on for like the couple of years. Why is it happening? I don't know.

I don't even see it that much. I really don't. I say it like twice. I really don't see it that much. But again, just go. Just go. Fuck you. Just go.

You're not interested in why they might be doing it. I just don't think it's, I don't understand what is so necessary about it, about it. Like, they act like they were in a religion. That's not what it is. It's a community service organization. I saw, I look at it. A social and community service organization. With secret handshakes and secret history and secret sayings and secret rituals and secret, secret, secret, secret, there's, it's a little secret society.

Well, not, well, not, if you know all these things, it doesn't sound like that much of a secret. We used to be finding this shit out. Me and Ryan. See? I gotta bring Ryan on. Me and Ryan used to be finding

shit out. Like, Gino would come around with his brother. Is Gino the only one who pledged in y'all's crew? Okay. It was Gino. Gino pledged

Kappa. Bryant became a cue. But Gino's brother, Mike, is also a Kappa. And they just everybody's everywhere.

It's always the whole thing. Just humor me for a second. Go for it. If you had to pick one to pledge, which one would it be? And I know you've thought about this before you tell me you have, and I know you have. I have not thought about it. I have not thought about it. I have not thought about it.

You've never been in your room by yourself and shimmied. You've never thrown up the hooks by yourself. You've never done like just a stomp. You know what I would like to be? I would like to be the first, I say this to my homies, in the gangs too, and they do not like this, by the way. When I say this to my homies in the gangs, I was like, is there like a,

I was asking glasses this? I was asking AD this. I was asked, if I started listening to my game members, I know, I've really been in LA for a long time, man. Shout out to all my members out there, man. Shout out to my essays too, man. I never mentioned y'all, but shout out to y'all. I asked them if there was like, because there's so many sets,

what I asked, glasses was, could I be down with all the sets? Could I, like, play, well, I think that this is kind of what we're talking about when we're talking about some of the ways that we separate ourselves as black people, how we pull apart and we're not together.

And it's because we find ways to like separate ourselves apart. What would really be dope is if I could bang both neighborhood, you know what I'm saying? And then also go bang like gangster. You know what I'm saying? If I could really bang some Long Beach shit and then also bang some watch shit, if I could be accepted in both places

as a member of both said street organizations. And I also think that the same type of situation will be great if I could be like, but also like ah, but also like, er. Okay, okay. Oh my God. But if I could be like, ah, stop. If I could also be like, if I could do this,

and then all of a sudden switch right into, oh my gosh. Donnie, Donnie. What would you pledge? Donnie, what would you pledge? I don't think I've actually put real thoughts. And y'all is such liars. That's the fuck I'm talking about, Donnie?

That's what the fuck I'm talking about? Donnie, you would be an alpha. Donnie, you would be an alpha man. Van, you'd probably be a Sigma. Nah, I'm with that. I know that was a dis. No. And see, and so here's the thing.

See, here's the thing. Here's the thing. Shout out to all the signals. I know that that was a dis. So what, but. See what Rachel did? I've done that before because y'all know that it's a diss. Don't have the Sigma or Zeta's coming after me.

That was not a dick. No. You're pissed. As a bit more of the D-9, that's what I see for you. Y'all know that she knows it's a diss because we're not even going to get into the bad parts of this. She knows it's a diss. Donnie, you know it wasn't. It's a diss. Everybody here and went to college, they know there's a disc.

That's how you see it. You just did it. I dated a Sigma. I dated a Sigma When he played ball He played football Yeah you ain't just date a regular signal But he was a Sigma

So I'm not sitting here So don't try to don't just because you took it that way Don't try to put it on me Donnie didn't laugh Donick took it seriously To me When I look at the brotherhood sisterhood thing The only real ones is really the Sigma's

Because they have the Zetas Because they that To me I think they should is the most beautiful shit. You know what I'm saying? That's what I think, but you know, it is what it is, man. I will say this, though, before you move on, all of these frats are, and sororities are very important to black cultural history, and you should know about them. They're very important organizations to, like, the history of black culture. I was doing research on Johnny Cochran. A couple of days ago, looking up Johnny Cochran in the Cochran firm and where

the Cochran firm stands, and Johnny Cochran starred the Cochran firm, 1968. and becomes this gigantic and Johnny Cochran Kappa. I didn't know that. Shreveport, Johnny Cochran. All is, it's a big important stuff, but shout out to the Cygnus.

And you guys think about it. You guys think about it overall. If I could just join them all, all of them at the same time, would be great. Oh, let's take a break. And on the other side of this, talk about something.

I'm wondering what you think about this. There's a new hero in Black, American culture. I just feel like you've been using these extreme words on the podcast. What? It's the happy. People are acting weird about it.

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Paul Birdsong. We spoke about him two weeks ago, I believe. He labels himself the Black Panther Party's national chairman. He spoke recently to a few articles. specifically about his feelings that ICE should be abolished and that the current administration should be held accountable for his actions. Here's a quote from Mr. Burr's song. He said,

you got people that are part of a cabal that are self-serving and they prey on the common folks in the United States. What do y'all thoughts on this new face of the Black Panther Party? Yeah, face of the Black Panther Party, Van, you called him a hero, a rising hero. Rising hero. What why? And this isn't a knock. I mean, the last podcast I was saying, love what they were standing up for, what they're doing, the Black Panther Party.

I feel like I haven't, and maybe this is what you mean by hero and definitely face with what Donnie's saying, I feel like I have not heard that much about the Black Panther Party until I started seeing videos in Philadelphia and videos of him and what he's doing. They're going to Baltimore and all of this. So I think that that's a positive thing because it also highlights what the Black Panther does within the community, the ways it steps in and uplifts and gives back to the community. But you're calling him a hero. What do you mean by that? Well, I think that the Black Panthers are heroes. I think that the ideology, the activism, and the action of the Black Panthers is heroic. I think there's been some response to Paul Bertzong, his ascension, who he is.

And I think it's, I'm going to put this, I think it's not shocking people, but surprising people. Some of the stances that they might take and some of the things that they espouse because I don't think people know that much about the Black Panthers. as I've been hearing from people I've posted them a couple of times and he is going viral with almost every video that he posts and some of the things that are happening people start to have questions

they start to ask questions they start to go, yo, is this some kind of sciop? Is he a fed? I've had a bunch of people that have hit me up after I posted that video of them and go, yo, is this guy a fat? Scott fed? Like, where does this guy come from?

Where does this guy come from? And you've seen him sort of react to some of these things in his videos, right? You've seen him talk about, you know, where he's been, how he's popped up. You look at it in terms of you look at what he's posting in terms of what they're doing. But now people also want to ask like, where'd you come from? Like, where did you come from? There's a couple of reasons why that is.

One reason is because part of our mechanism, and I don't want to overstate this, but part of our mechanism is to really shred people that act like they're doing something on behalf of black people or the people because there's just not a belief that that thing is genuine or powerful or possible. We do this all the time. We do it because it is a defense mechanism.

We've talked about this before, right? Like, who's going to hurt you next? Also, the reason why we challenge and tread these leaders and these people and do that is because Cointel Pro was extremely effective. It was extremely effective. It took apart movements that weren't just destabilizing to American racial politics, movements that were destabilizing to American sociopolitical politics.

The Black Panthers were socialists. Those guys were Maoists. And the way that they looked at the world was particularly scary to people like J.R. Hoover. When you talk about like, you know, not just Hughie and Bobby, but Fred and all of the women that were really the backbone of those movements, the shit that really pissed those guys off or pissed off the American power system was it wasn't just that you don't get to kill black people or a, a, a fight for black citizenship from, you know, a civil rights lens or perspective.

It was the fact that they were introducing politics that were scary, politics of collectivism, politics that, you know, if those types of ideas sift into black community writ large, that they change the Jordan, Oprah, Jay-Z dynamic of black capitalism, the thing that keeps you at somebody else's throat, the thing that really erodes solidarity, which is just the vicious American capitalist

competition that has been sewed into all of us, right? They weren't really like that. Like, Bertson just put up a video and it's a guy in there and they've got the video, the video says, White Panthers. I'm talking about white Panthers. Yeah, it's talking about like power to the people. And when he was talking about the reason why the black panthers are out there fighting against ice, he was like, the people. This is an internationalist movement.

This is a movement about the working people, the proletariat, in struggle with capitalist political power. That part of who the Panthers are has really been erased. It's been erased because anything that is by black people, we think sometimes has to be black focused. and black specific, a lot of times we don't think about black people having the capacity to advocate for all people. And even when black people try to do that, a lot of black people will say, why are you advocating for all people when we have such specific problems? I have been someone who has done that because sometimes it seems like what's facing us is

so paramount and so right in front of our face. And so the reality is if this gentleman or the Black Panther Party of Philadelphia, if they come back, if they come out and their tradition is in line with the tradition of the original Black Panther Party, it's going to feel foreign to people. It's going to feel foreign. It's going to feel foreign to like black people hate socialism as much as white people do. Like as much as American capitalists do. Like some of these things were specifically dangerous because of what they threatened. Like, you know, the arming yourselves and the need to be resistant in a certain way. Like the way he was talking to that cop, they call cops pigs.

They look at cops as people who don't really have much utility in the community other than to protect capital and protect white people. from black people and subdue black people. They just don't believe in it writ large. I'm not speaking for everyone, but I'm talking about the way that those things were rolled out. So if, in fact, the more genuine, this gentleman or anybody that really is connected with that movement in its original framing,

the more genuine they are, the more people are going to be like, what is this? Because I think that with King and with X, with the Panthers, with a lot of the people that were around. We've romanticized who they were to a degree and really forgot what they actually were. Like King was a communist.

King was a Democratic socialist. Like we don't really discuss a lot of that stuff because when those movements died, the next movement was fuck bitches get money. And when I say that, I don't mean it to be, what I mean is America is fuck bitches get money. That's what America is. America is attain as much as you can, right?

Put the woman in her place as a thing and go out there and get as much bread as you can and whoever gets the most gets to make the rules. And that is not the vision of the world that a lot of these people had. So if, you know, if they are on that shit, a lot of people are going to be like, what y'all talking about. Yeah. Because that vision lost. And the government won, the government killed that.

and send us back to the banks. I have nothing to say to that. I actually, no, I don't. I actually, I mean, yeah, I have nothing to say to that. I actually hope, what I will say is I do hope, I hope to see more of it. I hope to see more of him. And I think people should feel uncomfortable because I think we have gotten too comfortable with, to your point,

the fuck bitches get money mentality just so people know you know the black panthers have a whole 10 point program that was their political North Star self-determination for black communities full employment for all people and into capitalist exploitation of black communities decent housing fit for human beings

relevant education that teaches the real history and political literacy that is very important free health care preventative and community base and into police brutality and the murder of black people and into the prison industrial system as a tool of racial control fair trials for black defendants judged by their peers land bred housing education clothing justice peace armed self-defense community control of institutions um we could have a whole a whole uh talk about the gender dynamics that existed inside

the black panther party okay that's a real thing. And if you talk to any of the women that were around them, which I've talked to a couple of them, they'll tell you that every movement, every organized movement struggles with parity for women's voices

and who they were inside of that stuff. But yeah, I mean, a lot of this stuff is based in Marxism and Leninism, Maoism, anti-imperialism as it relates to the United States of America. So there's stuff. And, you know, even Fred Hampton was a little bit different than some of the guys who were on the West Coast, right? It was a little, it wasn't all.

That's what I was going to ask you. You know, like with Black Lives Matter, there was like the global organization. And then everyone, then there were different parties within it. Is that how Black Panther is too? So then you do have different, like in different regions. They might exercise, I guess, the, the 10 point, it was a 10, 10 point, or the programs or values in a different way or maybe even develop their own. because I'm not familiar with that. Well, you know, even within these organizations that we're talking about,

like even within SNCC, whatever organization it was, there were big time differences in the way people thought things should be done. There were people who were a little bit more radical. There are people who were a little bit more centrist. There were people who were like, fuck Dr. King. And then there were people like, no, we need Dr. King and his ability to talk to mainstream America, all of that. So the Panthers had different chapters based in cities.

And so cities have unique problems. And while they're overarching things that happen, sometimes what you would see in groups like this and any group is a different set of ethics and circumstances arise out of the specific needs of a community. But there was a collectivism that existed amongst these groups that is pretty uniform. So when you saw the black parents, and their fight against the Vietnam War and them opposing the Vietnam War. They opposed the Vietnam War because the Vietnam War was harvesting Black Life from America to go

fight overseas. But they also opposed the Vietnam War because they opposed American imperialism. So to see Black Panthers fighting ICE is what they do if you know who they are. And so as far as Birdsong himself, I can't speak to his background or any of that stuff like that. But my first response was, Hallelujah. Let's get some of this shit back going and get some of this education.

And if he is a cell, or if there's a movement to get back to this, and the government goes full blast on them, and it'll be both governments, right? It'll be liberal governments. It'll be conservative governments. It's not matter who's in it. Because, you know, this kind of shit,

they definitely don't want. then it would be who of us to be educated on what the objectives are. I would love to happen for an interview. Yeah, I would too. I would too. All right. I mean, you know, I guess we got to talk about, we got to talk about the Democrats. I got to talk about them a little bit.

Who you want to talk about? You want to talk about Roe Conna, our friend Roe Conna, or do you want to talk about Gavin Newsom? Who do you want to talk about first? Let's talk about Ro. Ro. Ro and his 150. 52 friends. Okay.

Okay. Well, all right. Did you? Okay. All right, now. All right, now. Donnie. All right.

Roe and his friends passed the State Department's annual funding bill last week. And APEC released the following thank you statement to Congress. They said, APEC applauds the House of Representatives for passing critical pro-Israel provisions, including $3.3 billion dollars in security assistance to Israel. Now, reporter Jasper Nathaniel, he had the following exchange with Rokano online after this thank you statement. He said, Roe, can you explain why you are among the lawmakers APEC is publicly applauding for voting to send $3.3 billion in security assistance to Israel and to defund UNRWA? Ro said, the Republicans snuck these into a bill about our funding for the UN, State Department, and foreign aid.

It was a shameful tactic. I have always voted for funding for the State Department, UN and U.S. aid in my state. 10 years in Congress. I have already voted no on military sales to Israel, voted for funding UNRWA voting for funding the ICC and co-sponsored Rashida Tilibe's genocide resolutions. APEC is currently spending against me in the district because of my record on Gaza. Thoughts to this back and forth and AAC in general. Did you call Roe? I did not call Roe. I should have. I should have called Roe. I did not.

Call Roe. Am I missing something? Because I do not understand how they voted for this. Or I shouldn't say they, right? Because there are several Democrats who would do this, and they did. But a Roe-Kana, I'm not understanding

why he would vote for this when he has consistently voted against this. And yes, there were other things that were included in this. But a lot of those other things are still so anti what a Ro Khanna has stood for or, well, the other people said, no, I was going to say the squad, but they all voted no against this. I'm not understanding why you would vote for something that had federal abortion restrictions that gave money both offensive and defensive weapons to aid Israel. I'm not understanding why you would even push something like this forward when we still have our health. care issues within this country.

I'm just not understanding how, I'm like, am I missing something? How did he not see this? Which is his response, right? He said he genuinely did not. How does this happen? I don't know. Okay. So I'm not missing anything because that's really, no, no, no, no, no.

I mean, look, the people that voted know on this, it's an interesting group of people. You know, Lauren Berber, Lauren Bolbert voted no on this. it's so most of these people are Democrats but yet you have some no votes in there that are really interesting there are really interesting now listen I'll say this Thomas Massey you know people have probably have different reasons why they would vote no on something

and yes on something you know these bills are so stuffed which sure sure that the goal is to of bills like this and this, you know, appropriations bill, the goal is to put the lawmaker intention is to give them things that they both would vote for and wouldn't vote for and make them vote for the whole thing.

So then the question would be, because like you want to say, you put something in the bill, let's say that they do this same bill and then they put like free breakfast in it. Right. And then what they can politically say is that the Democrats voted against free breakfast for kids.

And then what the Democratic politician or Republican politician, whomever has to do is to come out and say, I didn't vote for free breakfast. I didn't give a no vote for free breakfast and kids. Give a no vote on sending weapons to Israel or dismantling UNRWA. That's what I was voting for. But when you put the free breakfast in there, you make them defend that.

So a lot of times these big, huge bills aren't really politically what they are spun as. However, that's just me being as democratic about it as I could be. That's me being as, you know, as nice to them as I could possibly be. However, this is a vote that Rochana should have made. This is a vote that Rochana owed better on. and the excuse that they were able to slip something in is not only a poor excuse. It is worse.

Yeah, I was going to ask you which one was worse. It is worse if he is so inept and asleep at the wheel as a politician that he voted for something and he didn't know what was in it. That's what the fuck we're talking about. If he voted for something and he didn't know what was in it, that to me is not just I have a bad take

or I've got to crow on this it's political malpractice if he voted for something and he didn't really know what was in it so that response is like just fucking out of here well and I would want to know what he was voting for

yeah I was going to ask you which one was worse because to me you saying you didn't know it's like how many times does that happen But there were so many things that are anti, I feel like he stands for, that I'm like, what were you voting for? That's what I would want to know. And I kept on, like, I, you know, obviously Jasmine Crockett's getting a lot of heat as, you know, she's coming up on her race against James Tilarico.

So everything that she's done is even more scrutinized than it has been before. And she voted for it. Yeah. And I think you have to stop. saying, well, they don't take A-PAC money. That's not going to cut it anymore. Because this isn't the first time that she's voted to send money to Israel. And I think that you can't just stand on that, well, I don't take money from them if your votes are going to do things that are going to send money to somebody who's violating someone's human rights.

Right. So essentially if, you know, A-PAC is, and by the way, what A-PAC did in celebrating this was political as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they want to do two things. One, they want to destigmatize this vote. And they want to destigmatize military support for, Israel because at least amongst some Americans right now, there is a stigma surrounding it. It might be more pronounced in places that we frequent, but at least right now, there's a

question around how much military assistance we should be giving Israel that wasn't had in as robust a way as it was had before. You know, we're having a conversation now. So them praising people like Rokana is them basically saying, look, you know, you Manroe voted for it and it's also trying to hit him a little bit because they know what his constituency is made up of. It's made up of people who are going to be disappointed by this vote. Now, to have Roe or Jasmine, these things get very complicated, right? They get very, very complicated. The bill itself is financial services and general government and national security department,

of state and related programs appropriations at 2026 federal budget allocations across multiple government functions financial services government operations national security and state department programs there could have been things in this bill that they were voting for do we have any response from jasmine crockett right now guys about i'm asking donnie you got somebody look at it up. Do we have any response from Jasmine Crockett on what they were actually voting for? Rokana's response was seemingly to say, I didn't know that some of this stuff was inside the bill. We'll let him live with that and see if that

in any way satisfies people. Has there been a response from Jasmine Crockett as to why she voted for this? Has she even been asked at this point. It doesn't look like I'm looking it up now, but I'm not seeing anything. I haven't seen it, but Rokano was asked on social media. It's hard for me to believe that somebody didn't pose that same question on social media to Jasmine. Right.

Is this disappointing to you? Yeah. I mean, it. To her, we talked about him to her. To any Democrat, right? To me, I just don't understand how you can be a party. And you're right. There are other things.

I saw the state funding and all that. Like there's, I'm sure. I'm not disagreeing with Roe that there was something in this bill that he was voting for. But to me, it's not like there was one thing like a free breakfast in your example that was put in there. There were so many things that to me are anti what I believe Democrats stand for. Body bodily autonomy is one thing. So why would you be backing something that that has is taking, has restrictions on federal abortion funding? I'm not understanding why we are giving money and then restricting money for give that we're giving to the United Nations and then giving more money to Israel for the purpose of offense and defensive weapons.

I'm not understanding that. To me, there's just so many other things that I'm like, I need, so I'm disappointed on two things to answer your question. One, that they would pass a vote that's four things that are, that is four things that you are directly supposed to be against. and two, that we don't have an explanation. So I will say that in this bill, there are things that the Democrats probably wanted. Like, for example, they put in here that IRS funds may not be used to target people for exercising First Amendment rights or based upon ideological beliefs. So they put into the bill, which I'm sure is something that the left wanted, right? They were able to get into the bill that the IRS cannot come out and just like hit people or audit people,

based upon and stuff, that's supposed to be doing that anyway, but they put it in plain language. There's reporting accountability requirements on IRS technology, spending, and taxpayer services. On the left right now, the thing that they're going to push the Trump administration for is transparency, transparency, transparency, accountability, accountability. They also put in restrictions on certain administrative actions using treasury funds for redesigning currency plates without congressional approval, all of that type of stuff. is stuff like even that economically. What you don't want to do is hand over complete control of the treasury to Donald Trump

because, you know, right now it seems as if he's going to fire Jerome Powell. He's investigating Jerome Powell because Jerome Powell would not maneuver or manipulate, should I say, the interest rates like Donald Trump wanted him to. It seems like he's investigating him. He wants to fire power put people in there, right? And then you don't want a situation where there's no separation between, the monetary policy of the United States and the government of the United States. Now, I'll say this.

There are people that want that to be more, like some of the leftists that I know, would want that to be that way. They want there to be the United States to set the monetary policy, but they wanted them to set it in socialist way. They want to set it in that. They don't want the Fed to be as independent, or they haven't in the past wanted the Fed to be as independent as they wanted to be now, because they thought they'd have an independent.

the Fed was going to result in just runaway capitalism. And what they kind of wanted was state control of that type of thing more in a way that China or somebody else might have, right? And then you can go around the world and do things like Belt and Road and all that different shit. But like it,

so there seems to be some things in here that they would have wanted. And maybe there was a tradeoff on funding some stuff having to do with Israel

that they took, honestly. And the question to me, for Roe or for Congresswoman Crockett would be like, what did you like so much that you did? Exactly. Well, I mean, look, to be honest with you, we're looking forward to having Roland Martin

on our show in a couple of weeks. But to be honest with you, like, think about what Roland Martin said when he was talking about Jackson Crockett. I think this is a fair question to ask, right? If you're a congresswoman Crockett, I do, first of all, you guys know I don't like this vote. So I'm in no way laundering this. But I think there's a question you could ask that if you're her and you're making a political calculus here or you're trying to deliver for your

constituency that's here, the question is, do they care more about continuing to fund Israel in an offensive, defensive capacity or the gutting of UNRUFunding UNRWA anymore, or do they care more about establishing transparency in certain different aspects of the U.S. government and protecting the government here or the people here from a Trump administration that seems to be run amok. If you ask her, I bet she'll say most of the people that I fuck with in Texas, like Roland Martin said don't give a fuck about that. And what they care about is that I protect them from the IRS targeting them. Well, yeah.

I mean, I've said on the podcast that Israel, I do not think is an issue for Texas voters. I don't think that that's going to be where they draw the line or where they say I can't vote for this candidate or the next candidate. I understand that on this podcast keeping the same energy, I have to be critical of anybody who voted, at least for me. And I know you feel this way too about anybody who's voted. to send money to Israel because it's not, it's just what it stands for. Not only in this bill particularly, you're not just voting to send money. You're also taking money away from an organization that is helping the Palestinian people. Like it's both in this bill. And for me, when we're, I guess the question comes back to, and this is what I would, you know, ask Jasmine

Crockett, you already said the question would be, what was so important? that you thought this was better than this, you know, when it comes to giving money to Israel. But my question, too, is as a Democrat, as the Democrats in their party, what is it that you stand for, right? And that's what I keep going to. And I kind of said this a little bit before. You say you stand for this when it comes to women and them having freedom over their body. You say that you're about human rights and supporting that. You know, you say, to me, this is such and start contrast to that that I'm wondering, and I'm so bad with my words right now.

Hold on. I'm wondering, as an identity as at a party, what is it that you hang your hat on? And I keep going back to this as well. We started off this year knowing that the American people had their healthcare premiums skyrocket. We started out this year with an affordability crisis. what are the main issues for the Democrats that we're putting forward and that we're fighting for and what is on the backseat? Because if you're voting to spend money in this way, and I know that you

called out some other things about transparency, and I'm not saying that those things aren't important, but what are the most important issues for the Democratic Party? And when will you're voting align with that? That to me seems to be the issue here. And those are the questions that I would ask, Jasmine Crockett. And that's what I would want to know. If I was in Texas voting for her, what are the most important issues for you? Okay. So I want to hit on one thing real quick is that this bill has a specific ban

for the U.S. funding of honor. I want to make sure that we talk about that specifically, not we'll have to go deep into it, but like it's not cutting funding or anything like that. This is a ban on it. This is, it's legally prohibited. It's banned, yes. Yeah, it's ban on it legally.

Flatly forbids. funding and you have to pass another law to undo this. Now, if you guys don't know, Unra was the United Nations Relief and Worse Agency for Palestinian Refugees. Now, it was started in 1949, after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced or became refugees during the Nakba, where these people were ethnically cleansed from their home. This was established to provide aid, food, shelter, medical care, and schooling until a political solution was reached.

That obviously never happened, okay? That was supposed to be temporary, but that never happened because the persecution of the Palestinians never stopped. It never stopped. They have been volleyballed around and used as a political bargaining chip by, you know, the West to continue to consolidate power in the Middle East. Everything is about keeping Israel safe, which keeping Israel safe means, and I want everybody in Israel to be safe.

Let me sure I know this, but everyone knows this, but as part and parcel to that, using the constant threat of terrorism that exists, is why you have a nuclear powered Israel. It's why you have Iron Dome technology. It's why we continue to send money, weapons, stuff over there, is because of a group of people that are marauding existential threat to the state of Israel so that we have to continue to fund them over and over and over again.

Even if, in fact, those people, the Palestinian people, despite all the other proxies that exist in the region, are the people that are continuously slaughtered, over the course of decades. That doesn't matter that the power difference is so great and they are routinely slaughtered over and over and over again. It's, we have to make sure that we keep our ally in the region safe and powerful,

matter whose lands getting stolen and all of that stuff. And obviously the disgusting terrorist attack of October 7th to a lot of people complicated that issue because that is a reason when you look at that, you go, Israel must be unsafe. They are unsafe. Look what happened to them. Look what has happened to them in the second and taffata.

Look what's happened to them all over. UNRWA, though, was like for schools and for to feed people and all that stuff. It was humanitarian aid. And early on into the genocide in Gaza, there was the intellectual belief in positioning that UNRWA was full of terrorist organizations. or full of terrorists, that in UNRWA schools, they were being taught terrible anti-American, anti-Israel stuff so that in order to get rid of that, you had to get rid of UNRWA.

And so that belief seems to have one here in America. Now we cannot fund it. It's Palestinian aid. They're terrorists. Everyone is a terrorist. Everyone is a terrorist. You walk down the street, somebody stops you, pick you up, terrorists, you send you wherever they want.

They don't have to give you a trial. have to do anything. They take you to an Israeli prison, your terrorist, pick you up off the street. Everything is terrorists, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist. We can't have any nuanced conversations about any of this stuff. Everybody's terrorists, so we have to make sure

we do exactly what the Israeli government wants us to do. In this situation, you know, Crocket and Roecona and Kroko voted for that. They voted for short-changed in UNRU. The question is, what else that they vote for?

I think it's fair to be able to give them an opportunity to answer those questions. I think that that's fair. I think Roe answered the question terribly, putridly. Makes me look at him differently. It's a fact. I think the thing with Jasmine Crockett

is that this is not going to matter because what we're really talking about is how much this matters to people, period. Period. Like how much it actually matters. Not whether or not it matters when you see it on TikTok or whether or not it matters when you see it on Instagram, if it actually matters.

Because once again, this issue to me is not a geopolitical issue that acts as a distraction to domestic issues. That's not the way I look at it. I look at it as a political litmus test for the type of politicians that I would like to support, for the type of Democrat that I would like to support. I don't look at it as something that I'm not saying that what happens in Gaza is more important to me than what happens in Baton Rouge. I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying that at all. What I'm saying is that if you are the same cut of left Democrat, centrist corporate Democrat that has existed and allowed things like this to happen for a long time, I'm not going to, I'm not doing that. And it really don't matter who it is. And so I don't want to do that anymore if that's okay with everyone. If it's okay with everyone, I'm not just being for real. I don't want to do that anymore. if that's okay. Like I don't want to have the same,

like I don't want to do that anymore. What I want now is sort of to begin the project of realigning the American political dialogue to one that is a little bit more palatable to the way I see the world. And that's what I'm going to do. So, you know, I think it's fair to ask these questions.

The answer that you get from Roecona might be, I didn't know it was in the bill. It's a stupid fucking answer. And the answer that you might get from Jasmine Crockett might be, listen, we put real guardrails on what the Trump administration can use the IRS to do. And that, to me, is worth either making it illegal to send money or aid to UNRWA or sending Israel more money for weapons. And then if she gives you that answer, then the question is, what do you think about that?

That's the question. That's the question in political coalition building on the left right now. What do you think about that answer if she gives you that answer? What can you say? Are you genuinely asking me? Yeah, I'm asking you if that was her answer, what would you say? I mean, I go back to what I said just a second ago. Okay, that's your answer.

I need to understand as somebody who is figuring out who they're supporting and why, what are the main issues for you? Like, what's the priority for you? Because I would have thought that taking money away from, people who are suffering a humanitarian crisis would have been a priority. So now I need to understand, what's a priority for you at this point?

That would be it. And that's the best way I can say it without her actually giving that as her reasoning for doing it. Yeah, we need to hear from her. I think that's fair. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech. Everyone knows winter is the MVP

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And the conversation turned to the word. genocide when it's being used when talking about the war in Gaza. Democrats have now been dragged into this conversation, some drags, some run with, you know, flags waving, into the conversation. This notion of genocide. Yes. Yeah. I mean, look, Israel did not commit a genocide in Gaza.

There is no standard by which Israel committed a genocide in Gaza just on a factual level. Just as an illegal and factual level. Yes. Yeah. What is your opinion of this? My opinion is I understand the tendency. for people to make that, to assert that. Why?

On the basis of the images and the proportionality. Ugly shit doesn't mean genocide? No, no. And by the way, I agree with you. And international and proportionality doesn't mean that if you kill my child and I then kill seven criminals that I've been disproportionate. I'm not disagreeing with you. But I think the, but I understand that tendency on the basis of trying to

reconcile the proportionate nature of how the war was ultimately conducted. What? So, you know, in college football, you know, you make your own schedule, you know. What do you mean? You have your people inside of your, you have people inside of your conference you have to play, right? like you're playing an SEC schedule they're moving up to a nine game schedule let's take it the way it used to

it used to be it used to be that there was the SEC East and the SC West and you have to play Alabama if you're LSU you have to play Ole Miss you have to play Mississippi State had to play Arkansas okay there are teams you had to play Texas A&M teams in the SC West you had to play

but then beyond that you got to make your schedule so sometimes you schedule a big game you schedule Texas 2019, putting on that ass Baptist Church at Texas, right? You schedule that game, right? You schedule a UCLA, which we went to. Got to put on that ass, right?

You schedule these teams out of conference. You schedule them for whatever reasons. And some of what you do and your success is in the scheduling, man. You schedule UCLA and you lose to them. You know what your people are going to say to you? They're going to be like, why did you put them on a motherfucking schedule? like why would you schedule the team that could come in when you have such a tough schedule already if you're not prepared to play if you're not prepared to win if you're not prepared to execute

against a team that's outside of your conference people you have to play play why do you schedule them and what i'm asking gavin newsome is why the fuck did you put ben shapiro on your schedule if you are going to look as feckless stupid small and ignorant on a question you know he's going to ask you, why are you scheduling him? What is the purpose of Gavin Newsom, who came on our podcast and called out Joe Rogan? I want to fight against Joe Rogan.

Called out all of these people. I want to fight all of these people. He don't want to fight Joe Rogan. He want to go on Joe Rogan because the opportunity to be on Joe Rogan is a big deal for him. He don't want to have no fights, not on anything that matters.

he wants to play on the internet and then he wants to go do stuff like this which is sit in front of Ben Shapiro and not have a point of view sitting in front of Ben Shapiro and not even have anything to say how in the fuck could you answer that question in the way that pisses off everyone

if you don't think it is stand on it say I do not think it is and offer to me an intelligent forceful and cogent explanation as to why you think Israel needs to be reigned in, what you think the far right in Israel, the capture of Netanyahu has meant for people, where you feel like Israel has misstep, but say, hey, I don't think it's a genocide. You can do that, but not look like

you just got your nut cuts by a dweeb who gets stuffed in his fucking locker by anyone that has any balls. He's getting, Ben Shapiro's getting stuffed in his locker right now by people on his own side. So like for like for me, like I'm looking at this and I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, what is the point of this? I will define genocide for people later. So you guys can hear it and decide whether or not you think what has happened over there in the last couple of years has been the genocide. You can make that decision for yourself. I'm not going to do anything to you if you think it is or if you think it isn't. If you think it needs to stop, I'm with you. But like when I'm telling you right now is like what is the purpose of him continuously going on there and dick

docking with ben Shapiro and fucking uh steve bannon and whomever else i don't understand what the project is right now so i'm with you and when gavin newsome came on our podcast we asked him hard questions about the charlie kirk interview the who what win where why all of it and i was not satisfied with Gavin Newsom's answer that he gave us. I will never understand why Gavin Newsom continues to do this podcast, particularly even after the way that we confronted him and he was visibly uncomfortable in the line of questioning that we had in regards to what is the purpose of doing this and how does this benefit anyone. His response literally was like, well, I just want to do a podcast where we can just have conversations. But you're bringing on people and not every guest

this, but you're particularly being on people who have strong points of view. And to your point, you know specifically some of the things that they will absolutely talk about. That isn't a conversation. That interview, if that's what you even want to call it, turned into Ben Shapiro questioning Gavin, and Gavin had no response to it. And that's why I'm like, for somebody who is, who we absolutely believe is going to run for the president's in 2028, why would you keep setting yourself up for moments like this to where we're left saying, well, what does Gavin Newsom really stand for and believe? Because in that section of the podcast, he says he goes, oh, I don't believe it's a genocide,

by the way, but then tries to backtrack and talk about the devastation that's been caused there and basically explains some of the things that are within the legal definition as to why people do say genocide. I have it pulled up. I know you mentioned legal definition. I like to read right now. legal definition of genocide was established in 1948 by the UN Genocide Convention. And it says involves acts like killing, causing serious harm, or inflicting conditions to destroy a group committed with the specific intent to destroy in whole or in part a national,

ethnic, racial, or religious group. If you don't, if you maybe aren't as well versed on what's happening right now between Israel and Gaza or the Palestinians, I'm going to read to you some quotes from some leaders within Israel that at one time or did lead Israel, I'm going to pronounce, mispronounced names, I apologize in advance, but this is what, this is what Beebe said. in his approach to Palestinians. Beat them up, not once but repeatedly. Beat them up, it hurts so badly until it's unbearable.

Rabbi Eli bin Dahan, Palestinians are beasts. They are not human. I could go on and on and on and on about things that the leaders say, Bebe Nanahu, we must defend ourselves against the wild beast. And that's exactly what we have seen them do historically and even right now. when you apply that thinking, that school of thought to how the leaders in Israel view the Palestinian people, and you couple that with what has happened as far as this humanitarian crisis that's going on right now, how can you not say that that does not fit the legal definition of a genocide?

And I understand if Gavin Newsom sitting there right then and there could not quote what the legal definition was. But if that was me and I was interviewing Ben Shapiro, and he said, well, what's the legal definition of a genocide? I would have made him say it. And then once he said it, I would have picked that apart to actually show how what is happening is a genocide and has been happening. That's what you do. And I just don't understand why Gavin Newsom keeps floundering around in these interviews

where he looks like he's inept to have these conversations or like he's not able to have these conversations and the personality that you get in these interviews on his podcast are totally different from what we see with his behavior on social media, the way he talks on social media, the way he talks at a podium or gives a speech totally is undressed by guests like Ben Shapiro or even when Charlie Kirk was on. He walked back some of his social media antics on the podcast. Donnie, do you have some of that? He walked back some of the stuff.

like he Donnie when you get that play that the the whole or in part thing um genocide is intent to destroy in whole or in part

if you guys want to hear this broken down Medea San does a great job Medea San was on the breakfast club Medea San Zetaille all of those places does a great job Amen does a great job at breaking down

the case for there being a genocide in Gaza right um Rachel already laid it out. But if you're Gavin Newsom and your goal is to make yourself a more palatable figure to the American right by hosting Ben Shapiro, whomever else it is, just understand that like there's like we're past that. And when I say that we're past that, just as for Gavin Newsom, as an electoral strategy, let's say that a year ago, A year and a half ago, it was necessary to go on a podcast and be like,

woke went too far. Transgenderism and caring about transgender people went too far. Who fucking cares if they are unaligned themselves, right? Yeah, you're making an omelet some eggs. You know, if they fucking get kicked out of their homes, if they can't, who's too, who gives a shit, right? we got to protect the wrestlers in Texas. So who cares?

Right? So fuck it. All right. Let's say that you felt like you had to do that a year ago. Do you know what's happened since then? What's happened since then is ice has set to the American streets. The economy has not changed. As a matter of fact, it seems to be deteriorating by a lot of different metrics.

People see foreign war in Iran, in Venezuela. Trump threatens to take Greenland. NATO did joint military operate NATO in ATO the joint military operations as a show of force against the United States. Okay. The world order completely being redefined, right? We're talking to one year of Trumpism. all different types of shit both foreign and domestic. The ability to appeal to people who are within that 35% that 30% that ain't changing their mind.

Gavin, that's done, brother. You don't need to do that. The other people who made that election tip, those people are in conflict. Those people are in conflict on the economy. those people are in conflict on foreign policy. Donald Trump has lost Nick Fuentes. Like a lot of the other people, these people are in conflict.

They don't see it changing. Despite what's happening at the southern border, which is way less crossings into the country. When people are asked about immigration, all they think about is ice. All they think about is what they see on the news and people getting shot and whether or not they want 2,000 ICE officers

with no badges and their faces covered in their town. Like whether or not the juice is definitely not worth to squeeze on this, it is a political miscalculation to even think that you have to sit down with Ben Shapiro and make yourself look like one of his homies right now. If you think that, you're fucking stupid. You're not paying attention to what's going on right now. What people would want from Gavin Newsom is for Gavin Newsom to calmly, plainly, and forcefully articulate how the fuck he's going to get us out of this mess

and sitting down and getting cucked out by one of the defining cucks of politics one of the weakest, smarmiest fucking infinitesimal little bitches that we have going right now to let him walk all over you? What the fuck? Like what the thing is going on? Like it's like it's like it I really like I know I'm not smarter than Gavin Newsom I can't be Like it's impossible right

But like just such an own goal In such a direct way did y'all find the other clip And then your press office tweeted out that it was state sponsored terrorism Which I mean governor rights have to ask you about that That that sort of thing makes our politics worse yeah and it does And our ice officers obviously are not terrorists. A tragic situation is not state-sponsored terrorism. Yeah, I think that's fair.

That's fair, man. That's fair. Hey, man, we was playing against Woodlawn. And Roger got hurt. And coach was like, yo, who want to play defensive end? I'm not going to say who because I still fuck will. Put his hand up. I play defensive end

This is early football It's like freshman football And goes in there Gets his shit knocked off It's very funny It was very funny actually Goes in there he said He was talking a lot of shit

He's like all you got to do is get your inside shoulder Around the tackle And I could be like Derek Thomas man Like rest in peace Derek Thomas Everybody wanted to be like Derek Thomas at that point Goes in there gets his shit knocked off A white boy going crazy because he just put a nigger on his ass

Yeah He's going crazy Straight up pancake shit Came back over to the sideline Coach looked at him He said don't say it if you can't play it Don't say it if you can't play it If you can't do it

Don't say you can't Y'all fucking around on that fucking Twitter If y'all don't mean what the fuck y'all say about that on that fucking Twitter Stop playing Stop playing on the goddamn Twitter Getting all crazy and saying crazy shit

And then coming back on here And having Ben Shapiro go yo nigga what do you mean by that and then you go now they was just playing Big Ben my bad job hey Big Ben it was just playing bro I want no smoke

I want no smoke so look if you don't mean it on the Twitter Gavin Newsompressoffice.com dot net whatever the fuck y'all got going on if y'all don't mean it don't say it if you don't think that ICE's domestic terrorists you don't have to say it

you don't have to say it They don't have to be for them to be all fucked up like they are right now, right? But if you're going to say it, just stand on it. I am disgusted with these people. Y'all can say whatever the fuck y'all want to say. Okay, I'm disgusted with these people. These people disgust me. Like, which one of these people am I going to vote for?

What the fuck do I have to? Yeah, I think about that. Like, I am disgusted with these people, man. Somebody's got to emerge. Somebody's got to come out of the plan. I'm about to start hitting up Westmore. like you're like hey west stay out the fucking fray like you know what I mean like hey man shout out to Garland Gilchris up there in in Michigan too Garland Gilchris is now uh doing all kinds

of great stuff me and Garland had lunchout to him but all right look maybe I went to you know I'm sorry I'm so too no it's okay it's okay it's a lot going on we should end on a high note we should end on a high note oh donnie this is a high note this is a high note is Owens Candice has been She's been talking crazy lately Crazy er She's been specifically talking about These conspiracy theories

That she's been pushing Surrounding Charlie Kirk in his death Let's get a little taste of what she's saying Why did Charlie think he was a time traveler He said as I showed you in earlier messages That he was a time traveler And he had to find me Is that just something people are saying

To their homies and text messages And again, not anything that I would have placed so much emphasis on back when he was saying it, but it came to fruition. The other parts, he did die young. Why did he think that him dying young was necessary in order to change things? He did die young. It is related to Turning Point USA. In some way or another, at the very least, we could all agree it's related to him speaking at a campus event for Turning Point USA. I'm totally occupied by this. I tell you, I read these messages and I'm going, what is this? What is

reality, actually. Good question, Candace. Good question, Candace. Because she is not in it. Let me tell you something. If I send you messages like this, you need to check on me. I would have loved to know what her response was. What she posted, she cut out so we don't know what she said in response to this,

whether she ignored it or co-signed it. But when I heard this, I said, it's the end of the road. Candice needs to stop. Now she has milked this for as long as she can. She has, yes, milked. She has said everything that she could possibly say about Charlie Kirk, and she needs to just let it go. Charlie Kirk, I understand her being upset at the beginning. I mean, still upset, right?

This was her friend who passed away and died in such a loud and tragic way. I understand you being upset. I understand you wanting to get down to the bottom of it. I get all of that. This was your friend. But now the sharing of text messages, the conspiracy theories, the, this is a, like, I would hate if I was long and gone that you would start to put post in my text messages and sharing all the things that we talked about in a private, personal way, in such a loud way.

I just, she must be stopped. This is the end of the road. You have nothing else to talk about. And now you're talking about Charlie's text messages with time traveling. And it's just enough. We have to move on. I honestly feel like they're also milking this for their own financial gain and benefit too. But that's a different conversation.

It don't matter. This shit. This is the shit I'm talking about right here. I knew you would like this. Yeah. Fucking right. You knew I would like it. It's,

nah, hell, nah. We can't, we can't stop now. You want more. You want more. Fucking right,

man. Candice said that Charlie told her that he used to jog. And as he would jog, the streetlights will go out. You're wrong for this. I'm not in any way,

shape, or form because I'm not, I don't know, that could have happened. I like it is it's like I don't that that I didn't I wasn't there look we used to have this thing at TMZ which everyone hates me because I used to work there but I'm going to keep bringing it up a little inside joke me and Harvey had can't rule it out I would say something he would say something and he'd be like can't rule it out I'd be like can't rule it out can't rule it out

you can't I can't rule it out that he used to jog and the street lights would flash and all of that stuff and it would go on. I mean, she went deeper and it's basically she went deeper. She did. And he became, she was basically talking about like, she talks about sleep paralysis and things that nature and stuff.

I've experienced sleep paralysis and all of that stuff. They used to call it the hag. It used to get on you and you'd be sleep paralysis and we don't know. I don't know. This is the shit I'm here for though. Because like the other shit, that's going to cause all kinds of problems for Candace.

Right. But these are legitimately the conversations that I used to have back in the day. The conversations I used to have back in the day was like, you know, I have, we have these conversations. Like I have dreams. And maybe the dreams I have are not like my dreams. Maybe the dreams I'm having. Okay.

What I'm saying to you. Are like echoes of either other lives that I've lived, lives that I'm living now. maybe I'm not actually dreaming. Maybe my real extra dimensional self is dreaming and I'm in the dream. Okay. Now, I don't know what the rest of this

text message would say between her and Charlie Kurt. Like maybe she cut the text messages off because the next message is I'm so fucking horny right now. You know, you don't know what these messages would say. You have no idea what they would say, you know? I know that they were very,

very close friends and that part of this is probably her and I think a lot of this stuff dealing with the shocking death of her close friend in a real way and listen grief can make you respond

any kind of way but like but expulse and personal messages. I did so look look look I want y'all hear what the fuck I'm saying I'm not in any way a lot of this shit that's come out of this to me is straight up fucking disgusting I think some of these conspiracy theories are disgusting.

She lost Alex Jones. Alex Jones was criticizing this. That's crazy. That's crazy. But I'm saying like, when we get into the spooky shit, like think about it. A couple of days ago, I talked about having a dream when I talked to my dad. My dad was the cryptkeeper and the skin was off his, look, the spooky shit, the supernatural shit. This is the most entertained because I had basically cut Candace off because the politics

and all of that stuff, that's gone. Like all of that, she's even, all of that stuff is out of here. If you, it's beneath Kansas, Candace right now to talk about George Floyd. Like, it's beneath her now. The question isn't about George Floyd right now. The question is about whether or not George Floyd or anybody else is actually of this planet.

The question is about whether or not the aliens are amongst us. She's already said all of discussing stuff and all of that stuff. The question now is, was, was that even Charlie Kirk? or was it C.K. Dash from the planet Australian 6. Like all of that type of shit, I'm not going to tell her to be respectful

to her friend's memory. That's her friend. But if we're starting up to X-Men, I can't not, if we're starting up the X-Men, if we're starting up the X-Men, if she got special powers, if he has special powers,

if it's other people out there, with special powers. I'm probably going to tune into that shit, man. Like, when I was, I watched this whole fucking thing. And I cannot believe that I did. I can't.

Because I haven't watched Candice Owens on the long time. I watched this whole fucking thing. Now, she did get into, you know, she said she, she took this theory. She texted someone

in Turning Point USA, this theory. She texted them this. And they didn't respond. No fucking shit. They didn't respond. Oh, this theory about the time traveling.

She, no. She texted them. them the theory that I guess she was talking to Charlie Charlie was speaking to her in some sort of way. Post death.

Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. No, this was the theory now. Charlie is in purgatory. Okay. She said that Charlie is in purgatory. She's talking to Charlie and Charlie was saying that he cannot get out of purgatory

or he's stuck there until they figure out who who got to him and she texted this to somebody at turning point and they didn't respond. No fucking shit that they're not going to respond.

So all of this shit, no fucking shit. Look, you guys, sometimes Grift is entertaining. And you know, you guys know it is. Because like a lot of the people that y'all listen

and watch, y'all know that they're, sometimes Gryft is entertaining. This shit right here though, if you go comic book with it, it's going to be tough for me not to like comic book with it yeah if she go comic book with it it's going to be tough for me

to not even like I don't take it seriously I don't take it seriously anymore so it's going to be tough you can't take this series of course you can't take this series before we before we go give me your craziest one give me your craziest theory

that you think is real before we go I am so not a conspiracy theorist so you're not you don't believe in any conspiracy theories none no There's not one conspiracy theory that you believe in. No.

Do you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Dr. King. By the way, it's Dr. King's birthday. Actually, let's not use that one since that's birthday. Yeah, don't do that. Rest and peace, Dr. King. Okay, it wasn't even Lee Harvey Oswald. Anyway, that was Kennedy. Lee Harvey Oswald.

I thought that was the conspiracy theory. That's why I thought you got to say that. Dr. King was James Earl Ray, but let's not use Dr. King. Do you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in shooting Kennedy? Can I be honest? I don't think about that that much. So it's not even that like, and this is what I guess I mean by conspiracy theories. It's like, okay, I'm not like, well, I got to see with this particular thing, what happened

and how it happened is, is that true? Or is it like, it's got to be something that I feel like impacts my life personally that I'm going to take a deeper interest in where I might believe the conspiracy theory. Like that to me, I haven't, I'm not even thinking about that. Do you believe that we landed on the moon, 1969, do you think it came out of production in Burbank? Oh my God, is that what they say? They said it comes out of Burbank. Yeah, we produced it.

We didn't go there. It was the scared of Soviets. I don't believe it. Do you believe in, so I'm trying to think. Do you believe in, um, it's a bunch of them. You believe in aliens. You believe the aliens are out there. I don't think that's a conspiracy theory.

It is kind of. I've had to accept that one. That one I've had to accept. You believe the aliens are out there? I do believe. I do believe. Okay. Now I mention you this.

Do you believe the aliens are out there? Do you believe that the United States government is hiding the existence of the aliens from us? There's a whole documentary on it. So I can't even say that they're doing that. What do you mean? There's a whole documentary about like government people talking about aliens existing. Yeah. They're whistleblowers, Rach.

They're whistleblowers against the government. Is that document? You're talking about these guys, these guys that are talking, these ex-generals and all that stuff, what they're doing is they're saying that their stuff that they know, that they saw that the government doesn't want you to know.

Hasn't somebody recently come out, like in the last year that currently is with the government that said aliens are real? So, okay. So maybe that's mine, I guess. You don't think the government is trying to hide it, though.

You think it's real, but the government is trying to hide it. I did. I don't really think as much now. Disclosure Day. Spilberg. Coming out this year. That's what it's about. Disclosure Day where they come out and tell us all of shit. I'm very excited to see. You want to go see that. You want to go see that.

Give me another conspiracy theory before we go. I wonder if she believes in it. Oh, shit. Hold on. I can tell what kind of nigga Bernard is now. So there's conspiracy theories regarding both the center of the earth and stuff that's going on in Antarctica. So there's a hole in the center of the, earth where people live, but there's also one that says, because

you know, Antarctica up there is, there's supposedly this guy back in the day, this general or admiral or whatever, he traveled to Antarctica, and maybe in Antarctica there's like a dimensional hole up there where people could live. Now in the King Kong

movies, the recent ones that came out, this wild life place is where King Kong and all his homies live, like fucking Godzilla, dinosaurs, all kinds of crazy shit, landed a lost type of shit. That's up there. And that's why Antarctica is the only place that is not governed by international law or something like that.

Like Antarctica, like nobody owns Antarctica because we know the governments of the world know that there's like special shit happening up there. There's stuff. Somebody was just talking to me about this in Antarctica. Can you buy this, Rach? Maybe. We don't know. Ah.

You know what we got to do now? And Candace's work has done this. to book a conspiracy theories to come on to the show. I need everybody. I would drive me crazy. Why? I mean, let's do it fine, but I think that's why I have to choose to not because I'm too logical and it would just drive me crazy to live in a world where I'm constantly like believing all the conspiracy theories. But the ant article one I'll give you. We're going to get out here. I'll tell you guys one thing. My father believed unironically that Santa Claus was real. unironically like unironically he did not he was not fucking around and telling stories he believed

unironically like in a real way that santa claus was real me standing up to my dad just ended up being a whole big thing and asserting myself to my father was listening to him tell his santa claus story for the 45th millionth time and telling him that Santa Claus is not real. I don't understand what he did for y'all when Christmas came around. You don't understand the lore is the problem. The problem is you don't get it.

You're correct. You don't understand the lore. This is what he said. I'll tell it the way he told it. I try to be concise. One day I'll tell you something. Say something. So it's Christmas. It's actually full Christmas. It's not even quite Christmas yet.

And I'm up there on the Papa and Mama House. They're old people. Old people raised me. so then people were asleep. They had been sleep. But you know me, I was a little boy. Go outside, going to the porch, look around, see what I could catch. Just be out there adventuring.

Because, you know, it's a lot of animals out there and they come out there in the nighttime with no lights like talking about. So, you know, I go out there and just be adventuring. So one night I'm out there and I'm adventuring. I'm just looking around, you know, you try to keep a little torture or whatnot, but you can't hardly see you're out there in Maryland

when it's dark out there. You can't hardly see nothing, right? So you've got to listen. You got to use your senses. You got to use your hearing. You got to say. smell sometimes. Sometimes you could smell if one of the horses

was agitated or something like that. I'm out there. I'm adventuring and that's what I do. And I hear something from inside the house. You know, and I think, oh, maybe Papa then got up and you went to the ice box and got him suddenly eat. I go back in and I look in. I look down the hallway. You know that long hallway and Papa House? Yes, sir. That long hallway?

And it's not Papa. Dad, how do you know that it wasn't big pop-a? It's not Papa. That's not him. His man was way too big to be Papa. And when I say Y, and I'm not talking about why. Like, what's the man from the movie where they are, you know, the movie like the, you know, the movie I'm talking about. My dad, you haven't described the movie.

The movie. The movie where the man is like, and they squealed like a pig. You know what man? You see the man around here. Dad, are you talking about Ned Beatty? Yeah. Ned Beatty. Ned Beatty, you know, him from here.

Let's lose the homeboy. Like, yes, sir, let's lose the homeboy. You know how he wide? He wide, that's how this man was. But he was tall, son. His man was tall. This man was about seven feet tall. This man looked like Shaq.

This man was seven feet tall like Shaq. Wide like Ned Beatty. And I seen him. And I looked at him. I said, who is that? Turn around, he disappeared. I'm like that. So what happened was you was little.

You were asleep walking around on the what the fuck you was doing going outside or whatever, something like you came back in, you see, so you saw this guy flashed, he's like, no, son, that's not, no, no, no, no. It's not the only time I saw it. So I go in down there, and I lay down, I can get my bed. I'm like, I seen this man, he'd gone, whatever, I thought just like you.

I thought I had imagined it. Then I heard, and I'm laying in the bed. I'm like, why can mama and Papa not hit it? Why can Mama and Papa not go back downstairs? And I see him again. but this time he put in presents a while he's moving fast presence is going everywhere he actually decorating the tree he doing all kinds of different stuff son i'm watching santa claus at work it was something spiritual about it

it was i think he was moving with the strength of the lord son blah blah blah blah blah blah i come down i look at him i turn around he had no face he disappeared I heard this story dozens of times from about 1986 to about 1998 and I was in front of my girl

who recently appeared on the pop the balloon show by the way I was in front of my girl and I wanted to be a man and I said to her and him I said there's something wrong with my father

Santa Claus doesn't exist and dad likes to tell this story that looked at me me completely seriously and said you're going to hell. He said, if you can't believe in what I'm talking about, how are you going to believe in Jesus? Oh, wow. You've never seen him before. Yep.

You're going to hell. I said, no, I'm not going to hell. I just don't want to believe your Santa Claus bullshit story anymore. And then he explained the lore, which is that Santa Claus only delivers presents to poor kids. Rich kids that need Santa Claus don't get Santa Claus. that was a year that apparently things were going bad for Big Papa and Big Mama. And Dad was wondering whether or not he was going to get any presents for Christmas. So he was up looking around on all kinds of crazy shit.

He met Santa Claus who gave him a wooden spinning top. Now this spinning top is the same top that Dad gave to me later on. And I spun this top. I'm going to be honest with you. It went under Aunt Deuce's house and I never saw it again. Okay, so I'll be real with you I spun the top It went under ain't Deuce's house

I crawled under Aunt Deuce's house To find the top And I couldn't find it That says That's because The top disappeared You had to just let him have it After that

No I mean No I mean him got into it He made her leave He said he made her leave And then he looked at me And he said you don't go against your father And I said You've been telling me

Santa Claus is real for a very long time. But you know what? Now that I get older, that nigga might be right, man. I've never seen that top again. Charlie Kurt could fly. Like, all of this different shit that's going on, aliens, Antarctica,

Gavin Newsom is a bitch-ass nigger. Like, a lot of these phenomenons and shit like this, I can't put my hand around them. I can't put my arms around them anymore. Conspiracy theories coming on the show. We're going to pick a conspiracy theories, and we're going to do this. Make Rache Believe.

is the name of the conspiracy theories segment we're going to do. All right. Where are you going tonight? Go to the game. You're going to the game. I'm going to the game. I go every year.

You know this. I go every year. Who you going with? Who's going to the game with? Friends. Okay, people going out there. One nigga night? No.

Just me and one more. Okay. Two. That's called. That's called Duoless Niga. That's what that's called. Duels of Niga. Two.

Two, niggins. All right, you guys, a lot of podcasting. My first day on Concerta, I apologize. Take the in-caps-all, but then I stop learning. I'm Van Latelyithing, Jr. I'm Rachel Lundee. Bye, guys.