Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Freedom Day for “America’s Dad” and the Miscarriage of Justice

Episode Date: July 2, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the news of Bill Cosby’s release from prison and the social media civil war that followed (19:30), before rejoicing for NCAA student-athletes (43:16) and debating whether or not Will Smith should be favored in the hypothetical fight with Tupac (1:01:15). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on. It is I, Van Lathen. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. We're back, guys. We're here. We are.

We are. The pod did not break up. I do want to address some things from last week's pot, though. Oh, gosh. Okay. The first thing I have to do is I have to... When Rachel Kirkconnell did the whole...

whole thing with going to the slave party. And the ABC was beating around the bush and not addressing it. What I said was, you know what they should do? Just apologize. It's all good. Get back on the same page with everyone. And it's cool. And I failed to do that in the last week's podcast.

In last week's podcast, I failed to live up to a standard that I even set for myself. and that's just a true thing it's a it wasn't there wasn't a time right there for for me to defend myself if I had had problems or issues related to whatever I should have brought those things up before then like if it had to do with parents day

or whatever I should have talked about it a long time ago um and that wasn't the time to do it uh and that's just like a knee-jerk reaction that I have to defend myself when I'm putting in that type of situation, you know what I mean? So number one, that wasn't my best showing, and I apologize about that. To you and to everybody who listens

that was disappointed in that, I am sorry. All right, now, though, I'm going to talk directly to some of the stuff that's been happening on the internet the last couple of days. Okay, well, let me just, before you get into that, I just want to say, thank you. You didn't have to.

We were all good. And for people who didn't like that, you know, some people who were like, oh, my gosh, it was so uncomfortable. I just feel like on brand for the show is that we kind of bring things to the table. Maybe we don't do it next time. Maybe, you know, like if it makes people uncomfortable or you uncomfortable, maybe like I should have handled it off the pod. I just, you know, for me, I'm like, this is something, we do this. We don't hold back. We just kind of bring things to the table.

And since, you know, it happened on the pod to talk about on the pod. but you definitely didn't have to apologize to me. I was good. No, it's fine. But I'm actually apologizing to you, but also because I did set a standard for myself and I didn't live up to the standard. To what you just said, to what you just said, though, as far as us having uncomfortable conversations on the podcast and us talking about

things like this on the podcast. That's the podcast that I envision and I hope that we have, but I don't think it's the one that we have that we have right now. I don't. So over the past couple of days, I've been called a misogynist. I've been called a manipulative boyfriend. I have been called like the manipulative boyfriend vibes.

Oh my God. Like the full gamut of things by people because of a moment where I admittedly wasn't my best self. Now, tendency to do something that is that doesn't serve me. So what I have a tendency to do is, and I do this even with Kalika sometimes, what I have a tendency to do is have something happen and then deal with it and then when something else happens go say to somebody, hey, I dealt with that so you should deal with this. And that comes out of my desire to be super all right with everybody, right? Like, that's more, people think that I enjoy, like, calling people out or having

or getting at people. I don't. What I really want to do more than anything is be super all right with everyone. It's funny, when you were talking about your family, I started to think about maybe reasons why I make fun of your family so much, why I make fun of that so much. There's probably envy there because as you're, as close as you are with your family and how everybody gets together, me and my mother and my father and my sister haven't been together in the same room in like 20 years and so there's there's something that's like sort of safe and sort of like sometimes there's a part of me that goes that can't be the same as what I went through like that's got to be different these people are married these like and and and they've continued to grow and he and like upstanding

black Negro Americans. Like that's something different than coming up in South Baden Rouge and losing 100 people to murder and like having your parents be divorced and having your dad do this and having your mom do this and all the kookiness

that comes along with my upbringing. Sometimes I think like that experience in it of itself is emblematic of an entire community that I understand it and there is a different experience that I actually don't understand. Like I don't get sometimes. I don't get how people's parents could be in a loving relationship after all of this time.

Like, you know, my mother cries at the mention of my dad. My dad gets angry at the mention of my mom, but they still will do nothing except for ask about each other whenever you get on the phone with one of them. And sincerely, I did not know that it was that sore of a spot. And had I known that it was that sore of a spot, I wouldn't have kept going back to the well. Somebody mentioned that somebody said on Facebook or or on or on Reddit what would Van

feel like if Rachel continuously made fun of his weight or his mental health or anything like that and those things would hurt I feel like the only difference is I come on here all the time and I tell people just how much those just how like

just how much those things matter to me just how upsetting those things are to me and if I have known that it was on part with it. And now that I see that it is, I won't do that anymore. But it for me, and I kind of came to realize this as I was talking to you in the last podcast, it's because I wasn't there to defend myself. Because it is the relationship that we have.

We literally nothing has ever been off limits. Like we go at each other about everything. But I think for me in that moment, it was like, okay, he said it. It lived there. I couldn't be like, Van, shut the fuck up like I normally am. and we could move on from it. Right. And so.

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I was about say it was a joyous day yesterday. It was freedom day. Freedom day. It was yesterday was freedom day. Oh, yesterday was freedom day. Let's, yeah, turn the page. Turn the page. That's it, y'all.

We got a, we got to no more family meetings. I'm mad I brought that to the table. You're addicted to him now. You're addicted to him now. You said you never had them before. Nah, we was about to, it wouldn't be no family meeting. We was about to go to foster care. And I was about to give away a whole bunch of children to foster care.

Or maybe, you know what? That would be cool, though, if I was like a bad dad, you know? You know, because think about it. Yeah, because think about it. Because like, this is what I always thought about, fatherhood, right? This is because this is, so it's kind of boring to be a good dad like every day. You get used to. Nobody's a good dad every day. That's the thing. But I mean, just like even an engaged dad. Well, what I'm saying is, isn't it better if your dad like fucking sucks, but then like

once in a while he's good? Let's say he drinks. He goes crazy. But then every once in a while he buys you a shiny new toy. Tell you a story. about my father real quick. Because, you know, a lot of times my dad would say that he was going to come somewhere and then he would just never show up. But what, but what, there's something else, there's one thing that he did that was so awesome. I wanted a Batman video game. And, and like my father, my father was like, we're not, we don't have no money for

no video games. We don't have it. Just fuck all that. You don't get no video games. I'm like, God damn. And I come home one day. I'm like, yo, dad, seriously. It's like, can I have the game?

It's like, can I have the video game? He goes, no, no video games. As a matter of fact, take your ass out there and video game your ass with that lawnmower. So when I go out there to get the lawnmower, the game is taped to the lawnmower. Oh, that's really special. Yeah, and so I look over and he is just laughing his head off. It's so fun torturing me. But I thought about it.

If he had just bought me the games when I wanted them, that wouldn't be a special memory. So that's the kind of dad I'm going to be with the Thought Warrior community. I'm going to be the dad that only comes through 10% of the time, but you really remember it. And you keep telling yourself for your whole life. I won't be that kind of mom. Well, that's a nice segue into the first topic. Speaking of dads. America's dad.

Freedom Day for America's dad. Let me tell you something. I've never seen anything. What, Freedom Day for America's dad. Rachel. I just can't get over that. this story. This is heartbreak. You don't understand. This is all very heartbreaking to me. Hold on. Hold on. I will say something real quick. My father was a good father. Like, I'm

not like I don't think anybody does. Okay. My dad was a good dad. I'm dying for him to come on the podcast. I don't think you do. I know. Oh, really? You got something to say to me? There's a reason why if we are, if we, if we're going to completely come clean, the reason why I've like kept them all the podcast. My dad? because he wants to address your father. He can say it to me. Oh, he wants to talk directly. He wants to address your dad.

To me? To me or to directly to my dad? He wants to address the issue. He feels played. I'm telling you. Because he doesn't like the way that my dad talked to you. No, it was my whole family felt that way. My mom felt that way.

My sister felt that way. Yeah, like they all felt they legitimately felt played. You know, I got to go back and listen to it because I know it wasn't a whole hour, but I got to go back. and listen to it. Man, I love the judge. I love the judge.

The judge forced me. No, I got to go. I mean, I hate that your family feels that way, but I got to, I got to go back and listen to it. Yeah. I really do. So, but yeah, America's dad, Bill Cosby. You're a Cosby kid.

So this was like a- This is, this is really tough. Why is it tough? What's tough about it? Because I thought Cliff Huxstable was my dad. I thought I was one of the Huxstable. Some might call me. Vanessa, I thought I was more of a Denise.

But I, when you grow up and you, you know, you daydream, you imagine things. Like, I wanted to be in that household. I wanted to be a part of that family. I looked up to Cliff Huxable. You know, he was the epitome of like a straight-laced guy. And, you know, he reminded me of my, like, the whole family reminded me in my family. And so it's hard to me that that dream is very shattered for me. Yeah.

I mean, as an adult, you know, people aren't perfect. But when you've held on to this, this idea for such a long time, it's tough. It is tough. It is tough. Here's the thing about this. By the time this podcast comes out, you guys are basically going to have been drugged through the Bill Cosby Ringer. We're recording on the Thursday. The news hit yesterday and caused a social media civil war.

Okay. So many of your. faves were tweeting out and very happy about the fact that Bill got out of jail. Wait, was it that many? There's a lot of people. There's a lot of people. Hey man, Felicia Rashard. Felicia Rashad jumped in it.

So much so that Howard, University where she has a deanship at, had to come out and distance themselves from the fact that she tweeted in support of Bill Cosby. when his conviction was overturned. Okay, so I want to do something as my first toughen the fuck up thing with the thought warriors, okay?

I want to do something right now. This is the first thing I'm going to do. We are going to look now at what happened with Bill Cosby and divorce ourselves from the feelings that we've had about it before. Okay? Okay.

Okay. All right. So we're going to attempt to do this because I don't think people have a real understanding of exactly what it is. that we're talking about when we're talking about Bill Cosby. I see so many things out there that just aren't true. So the first thing we should do is talk about the,

why the conviction itself was overturned so just so that people are sure. You are our legal expert when Yoddy's not here. So do you want to give the people- I thought about calling her- I thought about it too. Do you want to give the people a rundown of why Bill Cosby's conviction was overturned? Honestly, you guys, it's really not that complicated. And I think that most of it, which is why I can talk about it, we don't need a yody.

But I don't do criminal law. But basically, there was a prosecutor. Actually, I don't even know if he was a prosecutor. Yeah, he hasn't been a prosecutor. He was the prosecutor, yeah. It was a prosecutor who came, who before made a deal. Prosecutor is on the criminal side. He had no business really getting involved in the civil case at all, which is part of the problem.

But basically made a deal with Bill Cosby that said, if you testify to certain things or you give certain testimony because he didn't talk about everything. If you get certain testimony in the civil case, then it will not incriminate you. We will not criminally charge you for what you testify to in the civil side of things. So he made this agreement with him years and years and years ago. You had a new set of prosecutors who came on who said, you know what? We didn't agree to that. We're not going to abide by that. And they use that testimony from his deposition in his criminal case. And he was convicted based on that. So the problem is that they violated. his due process, his fifth and 14th Amendment rights. And therefore, you have the right,

your Fifth Amendment right to not self-incriminate yourself. You know, I plead the fifth. Everybody knows that. I plead the fifth. So you have the right to do that. Well, he gave up that right in the civil suit because he was promised that he would not be charged criminally. And so a higher court overturned the charge against him and said that he cannot be charged at all when it comes to this. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah. It's interesting. So the prosecutor's name was Bruce L. Castor, his name. That's his name.

Bruce L. Caster Jr. Bruce Caster Jr. He actually, he happened to be one of Trump's lawyers just recently. Right. Yeah, right. And so this is what Mr. Caster said his method of thinking was. What he said his method of thinking was that he looked at the Andrea Constant situation, right? He looked at the whole deal.

and he didn't think, even though he believed her, he didn't think that she would be able to win a criminal trial against Bill Cosby. What he said was he looked at everything and didn't think that they would be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. That's what he thought. So what he said was the best thing he could do was promised Bill Cosby that he, so that Ms. Constant, Andrea Constant is the woman's name, so that she would get some justice. He could promise Bill Cosby that he, you know, like you said, wouldn't prosecute him.

And then the Brodner proof is lower in a civil trial, and she would probably win that based upon the deposition if they were able to ask him all with this stuff. Okay. She ended up being awarded $3.3 million. All right. So that is what he was thinking. This is the tough part. The tough part is, in my opinion, this decision to reverse Bill Cosby's. conviction was the right one.

And the reason why... Legally, yeah. Yeah, the reason why I feel that way is because we cannot set a precedent. We're prosecutors. Let's say me, you, and we'll just use Yodi, since, you know, she's got a big show making the case, Yody on Black News tonight, Black News Channel. Let's say me, you and Yody, we're driving. I pull out a gun.

I go, watch this, guys. I'm cool. And I shoot somebody and killed it. Okay. Just a random person at a bus stop. You guys are accessories. You're driving away, right? The cops come to you and they say,

hey, we're not going to prosecute you if you tell on van. You tell on me, then the cop, then the DA prosecutes you. We just, we can't have a situation where there's a precedent set where that can happen. You know what I mean? And so the reality is, on a due process.

The reality is they probably did the right thing. This to me is the most disgusting and egregious miscarriage of justice that I've seen in a long time. And Bruce Castor should be ashamed of himself. Number one, he did not have to do that. He did not have to do that. It is so wild to me in that situation.

And it is highly irregular. First of all, there is some actual legal argument right now about whether or not he even has the power to do that and whether or not that promise is even binding. It is binding now because the Pennsylvania Supreme Court says it's And the only way to overturn it now is the big boys in Washington would have to make a decision on it. And we know how rarely the Supreme Court takes a case. And they're very selective about the cases that they choose.

And who knows if they're going to take this one. But this was a gut punch to anyone, anyone who has been shocked, saddened, has been the victim of sexual violence. or anybody. I went back and I read the deposition in its entirety. Mm-hmm. I know that there are people out there that are saying all kinds of things, right?

People out there that are saying that Bill Cosby was just having sex with women and giving them drugs before, right? Giving them drugs, they consented to taking the drugs and then whatever they were all, it was the 70s, they were all getting it popping. I want to point out a couple of things. he had seven different prescriptions for quailudes.

Seven different prescriptions for quailudes. He had a stockpile of quailutes. When asked about in the deposition why he had the quailudes, Bill Cosby said that he was not using the quailudes for any back pain or anything like that. He was using the quailudes to have in sexual encounters with women. one of the women there's another narrative here is that Bill Cosby never actually drugged

any women. That's actually not true allegedly. One woman alleges Bill Cosby gave her some coffee. After she drank the coffee, he said, I made you a nice coffee drink to relax you. After she drank the coffee, she woke up in a parking garage and

felt like she had just been sexually molested. There were all types of women who claimed that they did not know what they were taking. And the relationship between Bill and Andrea Constant, he groomed her for years, for years before he took it to the next level with her.

If you read the deposition, it is clear. And I know people, it's difficult that people, they don't want to believe that this happens. There is a pathology there. There is a trend there and a modus operandi there for Bill Conradi there for Bill Conrad. in the way that he gets to what it is that he does. And there's something that, like, he digs about it.

They straight up asked him in the deposition, this particular woman, was she coherent enough to have made a decision to have sex with you? And he said, I don't know. Like, I'm here. I thought he admitted to giving them quailoutes. He admitted to give it.

He did. He admitted to giving them quailudes. But so what people are saying is, I should be clear about this. What people are saying is he's admitting to giving them quailudes, but giving somebody a quailude is different than drugging someone. Okay? So giving somebody a quailute is different than drugging someone.

And I just want to make sure that we talk about that. You're going to say something now? No, no, go ahead. So I want to make sure that we talk about that. Okay. So let's take two different situations here. All right. I'm asking everybody just to listen to what I'm saying,

divorce yourself of emotion. Let's take two different situations here. one situation is you like you're at my house no not my house fuck that it's not going to happen to here okay it'll never happen to here

you come over in my house have some drinks if you want it's all great me I'm here Kalikas here bozeman's here you're safe it's not going to happen in my house is that some other motherfuckers house all right is that you're at Bill Cosby's house let's use this nigga you're at like

you're at Bill Cosby's house okay you're at Bill Cosby's house two different situations. Bill Cosby comes up to you. He gives you a drink. You drink to drink. You get knocked out. He has sex with you, right? Okay. Second situation is you come over to Bill Cosby's house. Bill Cosby says, hey, or take these

they'll help you relax. You take them. You get knocked out. Bill Cosby has sex with you. What's the difference in those situations? Do I know what I'm taking? It doesn't matter. Yes, it does. Why? So I'm taking something to relax.

So you're saying I consented to taking something, but I don't know what it is. I'm saying both of those situations are exactly the same. Oh, I'm agreeing with you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'm sorry. No, I'm saying, if you take if, if, if.

I thought you were saying, you were trying to say they were different. No, not at all. I'm saying both. I'm saying for anyone who says there's a difference because the women knew that they were taking drugs. That's the fucking question. That's not the question. The question is, did they consent to having sex with Bill Cosby? That's the only question.

The only question is the question is not whether or not they knew, like you knewingly took drugs. Okay, I knewingly took drugs, but I didn't knowingly give you permission to have sex with me or to digitally penetrate me or to orally do whatever to me or whatever. And I think that that's what a lot of people say. People say, okay, well, he gave women some, he says he gave Andrea Constant some Benadryl to make her relax. She claimed she was knocked out. Right. So, I mean, look, I'm not going to jump on a whole other now type of situation. And we talked about Johnson Phillips, so I know that this looks weird.

What I'm talking about right now in this position is you're looking at clear-cut evidence, a clear-cut history. Like Bill Cosby is, he's sick. He's insane. Well, Van, that's very evident because that what he said in that deposition was used to find him guilty in criminal charges. So he said enough incriminating things, which is why he agreed to talk anyway. He knew what he was saying was incriminating, which is why that deal was made, which is why the new prosecutors wanted to come and use that testimony to charge him in the criminal court. It's there.

And I think what bothers me so much for all those people, I did not realize it was that many people. I knew about Felicia Rashad, which is saddening in itself. But I did not know there were all these people's celebrities coming forward and saying things. Timbaland? In support. I saw the put and pop thing. In support of Bill Cosby's release. But this is what bothers me the most.

Cosby came out and made a personal statement on his Twitter account. And he said, quote, I have never changed my stance nor my story. I've always maintained my innocence. The power trip that Bill Cosby is on, the deluxe. illusion that he is under, that he is maintaining his innocence even after admitting the incriminating things in the deposition for the civil case. He is still trying to operate under the guys that he did nothing wrong. It's so disrespectful to the women, not even just the woman who was involved in the civil case. There are what, 60 plus or is it 70 plus women? And more, according to Aunt Viv from

fresh prints that haven't even come forward. There is a bigger issue here that goes beyond Cosby, and it's the fact that women, people don't feel protected against sexual assaults in this industry, in life in general, and with the decision that just came out today, even if it is on a technicality under the legal system, it shows that there is such a bigger problem that exists, and it makes it feel people, victims of sexual assault feel like they can't see justice, that the system is. isn't on their side and it's and that if you have enough power, you can get around all of this.

And it is so upsetting with what's happening here. Like forget all, Bill Cosby's one person in this whole bigger issue of things. And people have been asking me, we've been talking about this for the last couple of days. And we just have to be better about this type of stuff. Look, there are people in my life that I've, had to distance myself from because of issues that they've had regarding stuff like this.

And it's, so it's difficult, it's hard, right? It's, it's like, you're sitting down with somebody and you know somebody and you play video games with them, you play basketball with them. And then all of a sudden they go, man, shit, she said, I just did it anyway. Then you're like, oh my God. It's tough. It's tough when it's somebody that you've known for a long time. but it's also stuff from this Bill Cosby

when it's somebody that you've grown up with. And look, we talked about the Chauncey Billip situation and let's be honest with it. With the Chauncee Billip situation, I was seemingly on the other side of this. I don't know what happened there. I don't have any belief in his innocence or in his guilt.

And it would be stupid for me days after we had that conversation not to bring that up. And it's not even in that situation, it's not even me holding on to the hope or holding on to the belief that Chauncey Billups didn't do anything. It's an actual question about what happens when something goes through the legal system and there's no outcome. There's no charges, but you settle. Does a person get to go on live in their life?

All right? You compare that to Bill Cosby, who has multiple accusers after all of the time. I do think that the situations are different. But I will say that the fact that Bill Cosby walked away Scott free from this just remind you that in these situations, the adjudication of them cannot be the only standard that we hold ourselves to in determining what we do with bad actors.

There are a lot of people that say, why are we discussing Bill Cosby in this when we're having this talk? Because you can't really discuss, there's a broader issue to discuss that's more than this and it's bigger than Bill Cosby. There are two things that are very, very important to making societies run. efficiently to me. Two Cs. One is cooperation. That's very hard. Cooperation is very hard, right?

It's hard to cooperate. As human beings, we're wired for cooperation, but at the same time, the differences in culture and our understandings make cooperation very difficult sometimes. The second one, these are two Cs to me that make a good society. The second one is as important as the first one.

and it's easy for some and hard for others, and that's consequence. So there's no way to have a conversation about rape culture or about the way that women and some men have been treated in this entire system and not have a conversation about the people that have exploited it and the worst actors. The conversation about Bill Cosby gets us into it. the conversation about what act of living consent looks like. Yeah.

Like, that's, you can't give somebody drugs, wait for them to get blanked out, and then have sex with them. And consenting to taking the drugs is not consenting to the sex. And the fact that, and I want to make one more thing clear about Bill Cosby before we leave. In the 70s and the 60s and the 80s, Bill Cosby was one of the most famous men in the world. he remains one of the most famous men in the world there's a football player named Darren Sharper

Darren Sharper was a football player you know Darren Sharper right right so Darren Sharper was a safety for the Saints when a championship with my saints for the Packers he was gorgeous guy yeah

Darren Sharper Darren Sharper caught cases in Florida Louisiana and California for drugging women and having sex with him. The first thing that popped up in my mind, in my mind when that happened to him was, why would he be doing that? There's not a club or a place where Darren Sharper can walk into

and not have women all over him. Same as like a guy like Bill Cosby in the 70s and 80s. There's something deeper there. It's about power and it's about the disposal, the disposability of, like a woman's body. There's something that they like about lifeless, powerless women being in their grasp. That's fucking scary.

Now it's disgusting. Like Bill Cosby is legit. I know that people out there, they don't want to get rid of Cliff Huxable. And we're droning on about this. But I just want people to understand that there really can't be much, there's not a gray area here. Yeah, no, he's a predator. And I think people do it under the guise of they think they're being funny by putting up a meme or saying stuff like hot boy summer. But you're diminishing the fact that multiple, multiple women have come forward and several that we don't even know that have been terrorized by this man.

And it's hard for me to say, it's hard for me to say this when he's somebody that. that I looked up to for such a long time. And you have to let go of that and realize that he was playing a character. This is real life, Bill Cosby. This is who he really is. Yeah, yeah. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech.

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Not foolery? Well, not foolery. Okay, we'll come back to the building collapse, because we have to talk about that because that's an important societal issue that people aren't really, but I want to talk about the money, Rachel. It's all about that bag.

Oh my God. Shout out to all you NCAA athletes out there. Oh, this money. You rich motherfuckers. Boy, I've never seen motherfuckers come out. These dorms about to look insane. I just... Not really.

For a lot of people, yeah. Not everybody's a superstar. So let the people know what's happening. So I'm going to tell you what's... So it's called NIL, baby. It's called NIL. NIL all the way to the motherfucking bank. What does NIL stand for?

NIL stands for name, image, and likeness. Let me tell you what happened. Every NCAA athlete, I'm talking to my low money voice. This is the money voice right here. Every NCAA athlete in the country would be able to make money from endorsements and through a variety of other ventures. Stop that.

No. The NCAA board of directors decided Wednesday to officially suspend organizational rules prohibiting athletes from selling the rights to their name, images, and lightness, baby. That means we on commercials. That means we got logos. That means you got to pay us before you put us in these fuck-ass video games. That means we out here, baby. We're in the Chick-fil-A commercials, man. We doing it.

They don't own us no more. We out here. And they already been getting money. There are these two white girls who are twins on TikTok, and I think they play at like Fresno State. They already signed up with like T-Mobile or Boost Mobile or some shit like that. Deals are coming left and right. People getting paid.

That's what I like to see. That's what I like to see. Yeah, I thought it was interesting. When I first heard this announcement, I thought, oh, are they going to be able? I knew they were going to get paid in this regard, but I thought they might be able to get paid when it comes to recruiting. Right? So when a coach comes into your house and sits on your couch and says, hey, we want your son or your daughter to come to University of Texas, we're going to offer you $100,000 to sign.

LSU is only offering you. I mean, that's creepy. But you can do that, though. I'll tell you how you can do it. Like, if you're, because Texas has like 14 billionaires in their trust. So if one of those guys owns a car dealership, you can basically do the same thing by saying, hey, you know, come over here. We can pitch you some commercials and make you $100,000. Yeah.

So you can't get paid for doing things for your athletic achievements, but you can be paid like I am as an influencer. You can now be paid as an influencer, which I think is pretty cool. Now, there's been this debate, though, and I'm curious as to your thoughts where people have been talking about, well, what about all the people who've been punished in the past for making money off their name? and likeness or even their athletic achievements.

Do you think that those people who may have gotten, you know, in trouble or maybe their awards or their honors taken away from them, they should be reinstated? I always thought that they should be reinstated. I think the shit is stupid. Whoa. I don't. You don't think that Elle.

I don't think you should get out. Oh, my God. Let's get Reggie on the phone right now. You should give it to Vince Young. Let me call Vince. Let's call Vince. Well, first of all, first of all, here's the thing. Here's the thing.

Vince didn't deserve the Heisman that year. That's what everybody thought until they saw the national championship game, right? Am I going to lie? The ceremony was before the game. And I think that fueled Vince to do what he did in that game. Oh, Vince went nuts, baby. Vince went nuts. Vince went nuts.

But I'll tell you one thing, though, that year, Reggie Bush was better. Okay. Let me go back to this. This is why I don't think. Mac Brown. Shout out to Mac Brown. Where you at? Shout out to Mac Brown.

You said North Carolina. Shout out to Mac Brown. That's why. So that's why you think Reggie didn't get his husband back? Why? No, no, no, no. Those were the rules in place. Whether you agreed with them or not.

That was the rule. So to go back and say, you know what? Because this happened. Now I'm going to go back, how many years is it? 15 years ago and give him back his Heisman trophy because he violated a rule that was in place. I think people are asking for too much. What kind of comparison are you going to make to that?

There's so many. Don't do that. It's not reparations. This ain't no reparations type thing, okay? A Heisman trophy is not a form of reparation. I know exactly what you're thinking when I say that. As I'm saying it, I can see your range. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, we definitely shouldn't.

No. The rule was in place then. And people have been fighting for it to change. It's change. Reggie, Reggie. You're not, they're not returning. calls. You're not kidding.

They didn't even return this man's calls. God damn. So, so look, your, your point about reparations is actually true because reparations is actually work that was actually done

and they never paid. So there is a difference. I was just, I understand that. I know, but I saw your face. Yeah, you know,

but I will tell you this, though, I will say this. I'll say, there is something to be said for, put to you like this. I personally believe that, okay, that,

Stuff like this always should happen. So let's take like marijuana right now, right? Okay. So marijuana right now is a thing to where it's pretty much federally decriminalized. There are still places where you can get in trouble for weed, but the tide is turning so quickly. It'll be, it'll be done here pretty soon. Most places that, most big, huge places you go smoke weed, nobody's going to do anything, right? I personally believe that as part of the government, normalizing.

weed that federally they should release anybody who is being held on marijuana charges. I agree with that. But what's the difference though? So I'm sure people who have been are in jail for whatever they did in regards to marijuana probably lost their job, probably lost income. What Reggie is asking for is to get back his trophy, to get back what he was honored for. that's like going back and saying,

okay, now we're going to give you the same job that you lost back, right? Because you lost your job because of this. Because you did something wrong and you broke a law that was in place, we're going to give you back that job. We're also going to compensate you for all the money that you lost, you know, that's what that is. You see what I'm saying? I get it.

I get it. So this is the reason why I think the Hosman Trophy is a special thing. The Hosman Trophy is an honor that Reggie Bush won on the field. And because of the name, image, and likeness stuff, I think personally it's not enough when you're, when you're, because we're talking about a system where the college athletes have been exploited, right? Absolutely. All under the guise of amateurism.

All under the guys of amateurism. And there's a cost to that. It's not just something out there that exists that we all intellectually know is bad. There's actually a human cost to that. Because of those rules and how oppressive they were, people actually lost things, right? Some people went through poverty. There were definitely guys who were big time college stars, generating millions and millions of dollars for their universities, got hurt, never got. got a chance for it. So there was people that lost things

because of this. Reggie Bush, in my opinion, is an example of somebody who the impressive rules of the NCAA cost him something. Cost him what? His Heisman trophy. His He went on to play. He was injury prone and that he didn't eat

and didn't have the same success. You got something against Reggie? I have nothing against Reggie. That's a fact. He was, he got. hurt and he didn't have the same success. That had nothing to do with him losing the Heisman. What number was he drafted? Number two. Number two overall.

Okay. Ahead of Vince. Yeah. Super Bowl. Reggie Bush had a better career than Vince Young. And I'm not saying he didn't. Yeah. Jeff, Jeff Fisher got Vince Young right the fuck out of here. But unfairly, by the way. Right. Because Vince was having. Shut out to Vince. Because Vince was having. Come on the podcast.

Vince was having some success. But look, I think, I do think Reggie Bush deserves his Heisman back. I think if they're really, if they're really trying to make this a whole thing and make this right, that they should do something like that because the rules weren't fair. And he was, he was.

But you came into college knowing what the rules were, right? You knew what the, whether you agreed with them or not, you signed on to play knowing what the rules were. You did. And you violate them, right? You getting that money under the table, that under the table handshake.

Hmm. And it didn't stop him from being drafted number two from going on to play several years. in the NFL. Red is doing just fine. The only thing he doesn't have is the Heisman trophy on his mantle. Everybody knows he won it.

Everybody knows he won. And the Heisman trophy is there. We can move off of this, but the Heisman trophy is such an honor. We're talking about a couple of dozen, 87, 100 guys or something like that. Sure. And he went to the ceremony

and his name was called out and he stood on the stage and there's pictures to prove it all. He just doesn't have the trophy. give him his husband what do you care about them giving him his husband trophy back no because i'm using him as an example because you know it's come out that he's like i've been calling they won't return he called the dude and the dude won't return his call the guy was like the guy should have kept that too the husband nigger literally was like we don't have shit to talk about you push like we're like

but let me ask a question do you think because he's in the news do you think it's people to do you think it's fucked up reggie bush can't even go to an sc game oh yeah that's messed up i didn't know that yeah he they made him disassociate yeah they made him but petero can come back because pete carroll say you know what i'm gonna go ahead and take this job in seattle i'm out i'm not gonna look back because i'm done yeah that's messed up the school should the school at this point i think he should let him come back to a game that's pretty messed up if i'm right i think maybe that is already over, but he had to disassociate.

I know he had to disassociate himself, but that's pretty messed up. Okay, so Joe Biden visited the site of the horrific condo collapse down there in Miami, at least 18 people dead and a lot more missing. Now, I'm sure that if you guys

have been paying attention to the news, you've seen this. it's down there in Surfside Florida a big building big condominium building collapsed and people lost their lives

right away when you looked at it and they said one person died you knew that they were going to be more Oh yeah If you saw the video Literally looked Literally looked like someone had bombed the building Yeah

It So Biden visited and he said that What he's going to try to do is commit some federal funds to clean up, you know, rebuilding and maybe trying to make whole some of what's going on with, with the families down there. So President Biden. But there are, last time I saw, I think there were 145 people that are still missing. It is heartbreaking what has happened. It happened in the middle of the night. I just, people live there. It's not like

it was a vacation home. I mean, people live there. You can watch it. You can see beds and the debris. It is horrifying what happened and even more so that, you know, a lot of people are trying to look for answers. How did this happen? How could something like this, you know, happen to a building like this? People want to know. And now it's come out that there was a 2018 report, an engineer report that said that there was cracking in the foundation. There was something with the cement and several areas of the building. That was three years ago. So our, you know, our thoughts are with the families that are and people that are impacted by this. And I just hope that they find more people safe than they do, you know, in the debris.

So I read something about this that jumped off the screen or the page at me. And there was somebody that was involved in this or somebody that was commenting on it from down there that said we don't see things like this happen in America things like this happened in third world countries building collapses of this nature and stuff like that um that struck me for one reason it struck me for it struck me for it struck me because shall I say us coming off the year that we had with the pandemic and learning everything that we've learned about the cracks in the foundation of this country and about how rampant how hypercapitalism has caused people to value money over human beings.

You're talking about the fact that people are looking at a building, seeing that a building is cracking. And when I'm looking at this and this day, it would have taken millions of dollars to repair it or to make the necessary changes. And I don't even know if that would have stopped this from happening, you know, because you have to then go back and look at the construction of the building I read something that said it had been settling into the earth. That's a big issue in South Beach, though, by the way.

What is that? And so I hope that a lot, anybody who's living in South Beach is, you know, figuring out, because I'm sure a lot of these people were completely ignorant to what was even going on in their building. People have been saying for a long years, South Beach is sinking. And like people have talked about it won't even be there after a while. And so that people have rust Under their cars because of the water It's why when we lived in Miami

I did not want to move to South Beach Because this is a narrative that has been out there In fact factual for a long time So when you tell me it was sinking into the earth That's that's a lot of buildings at South in South Beach Why why South Beach singing That's above my I don't even want to I don't understand it But I don't know if it's it's it's

below sea level thing. I'm not sure if it's due to hurricanes, but it's something I knew immediately when I moved there. So I read an article one time about whether or not the Florida Keys have any sort of a future. And that was because of rising sea levels. Oh, maybe that's it. And so if that's because of rising sea levels, then once again,

we're talking about man-made destruction. I am not going to use these people's lives that lost their lives. that lost their lives down there in Florida to make a political point. But what I am going to say is the most valuable commodity that we have are human beings. People got to be able to go to sleep in their beds at night without thinking that there's a possibility that their building is going to crumble on top of them. That means we have to care about the way that we build things. We have to care about the way we maintain things.

We have to care about it not trying to save a buck, but trying to keep people happy. happy and keep people safe and keep families safe and keep children safe that has to just matter more than any other stuff and when I look at this I wonder and I'm not you know obviously in tragedies we always look for somebody to blame I wonder who tried to cut a corner here did someone try to cut a corner here but it's very sad it's very sad that's sad about South Beach too well and I and I don't like to say a lot that I don't know things there's an article in the Washington Post that was six days ago under the climate and environment section

that talks about the rising sea levels and the condo collapse and how this has been an issue and they're trying to put together like a $4 billion project over the next 40 years to protect the city from floods that result from sea level rise. So it's a big issue in Miami and they need to get a hold of this because this is a huge tragedy.

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You didn't know who Napoleon was? No, so no, no, no, no, no. Okay. So you didn't know Napoleon. So like what part of history class? No. I was about to get you. I was about to get you.

Napoleon bone apart, Waterloo. He's not. Napoleon bone apart. Hey, I like Napoleon as a historical figure. He's all fucked up, but he was like a little, he was like, he's a terrible, but he was like a little feisty guy with a hat. Hence the name. Yeah, the Napoleon complex.

Is that where that comes from? Yes. I'm fucking kidding. Everybody knows that. Oh, I was like, oh my gosh. I used to call Harvey little Napoleon. I used to be like, you're. I mean, it'll be like you're even smaller than Napoleon.

If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if Napoleon was Harvey's size, then he would have destroyed the entire world. Is that what you told him? Yeah, Harvey looked at Napoleon, Napoleon, giant to Harvey. Like, like, so if Napoleon was Harvey size, he'd have destroyed the entire world. Okay. But Tupac had a group for you guys who don't know who are children. and they were like his backing group but they were also

they were they were dope you knew the you knew the outlaws though because they were on hit him up oh the outlaws I'm sorry go again yeah so the outlaws they were Tupac's group they weren't really a backing group they weren't really a backing group they

they were rap with Tupac like his homies and it was they all had names of different outlaws it was Gaddafi Napoleon Ediamine

It was just You know I didn't know who Edie I mean was when I started listening to the outlaws And then I started listening to I started reading up on Ediamine And I was like hmm I don't know about that one You know

It's like a lot of these guys you know whatever But Napoleon Who was around Tupac back in the day Told a story It's on a podcast And he said that Jada Pinkett Smith had to beg Tupac

not to beat up Will Smith okay so Tupac and Jada Pinkett Smith had a very very loving relationship they basically were kind of almost like each other's first loves and they were like just like dumbass cool like that for a long time

and it was an on again off again thing all right Tupac and Jada Pinkett Smith so apparently she started messing around with Will Smith and she thought thought it was necessary to go to Tupac and ask Tupac not to beat up Will Smith. And so Napoleon was like, Tupac was actually offended by this. Tupac was offended that it's, it's, um, uh, it's the name of the podcast, by the way, I'm going to make sure I shot it out.

Uh, it was called a lowdown. The podcast is called Art of Dialogue. The movie she was filming at the time was called a lowdown dirty shame, which is, which is a movie that I love, her and Keene Iv Wands. Charles S. Dutton. I love that movie. But anyway, she apparently was scared

that Pock was going to beat up Will Smith because she had started to see Will Smith. All right. Let me ask you a question. I'm not going to lie. I think Tupac will fuck Wilson. I think Will Smith will fuck Tupac up. Really?

I do. You think Tupac should all talk? I don't think Tupac was all talk. Don't get me fucked up out here in L.A. That's not what I said. Well, that's what I heard. What I said, What I said was, I don't understand why we're so sure that Tupac will fuck Will Smith up.

It's simply because of what Tupac was talking about in his music versus what Will Smith was talking about. It is people automatically assume Tupac will win. People automatically assume that because people are saying, damn, Jada really stalled him out. Jada kept Pock off. Rest and peace, Pock. Will Smith like 6-2 Athletic guy Park was maybe like

5-9, 5-8 I'm not saying that Pock was But I'm saying Why are we so sure That Pock could fuck up Will Smith? But who's saying Pock would? That's what people on the Clistia are saying

Have you ever had to stop? Is he using assistance Or is he just using these hands? See, maybe that's what people are assuming. Pac has stomped some people out before rest of peace Pock. did stop some people out, but I'm talking about just a fair one. Just a straight up fair one.

You think, who do you think could win? Straight up fair one. Remember, this is not I am legend Will Smith, by the way, who got brolic diesel. Okay. In years in the future. This is Fresh Prince, Will Smith. 94, 95. That's Fresh Prince.

That's Independence Day. Independent's Day slash bad boys, Will Smith. Okay. Okay. Who do you think, who you think wins? fight between Will Smith and Tupac. Did you see Lamar Odom and Aaron Carter? Yeah.

Don't do this. Don't do that. Don't do that to Will Smith, man. No, I'm giving it to Will. I'm talking about the difference in the size, the reach. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to lie.

I think it would have been a fair fight. I don't think that you could assume it wouldn't be a landslide. I think it wouldn't be a landslide. I think if it was 12 rounds, they go all 12. 12 rounds, they go all 12. How many rounds each guy? Oh, it comes down to a decision? Comes down to a decision.

It comes down to a decision. It would probably be Will. Will, how many rounds? Especially if we're talking bad boy, he was in shape. We're talking. I don't know Pock to be an athlete. We're talking about 8 to 4. We're talking about 10 to 2.

How many rounds? No, not 10 to 2. More even. Maybe like 8, 4, 75. 8, 7, 5. I got Will taking it. I got Will taking it. I got Will taking it.

Yeah. Like 9.3. I do too. If we're, yeah, 94, 95 will. Yeah. Yeah. Furthermore, let me ask you a question about this. What do you think overall about Jada Pinkett Smith's

sort of memorializing her the proximity to Pock? I think a lot. Okay. I feel like this has been something people talk about before. They get a little offended that she does that. But it's Pock. You know what I'm saying? I just feel like she's allowed to do that.

It's not like it's just any old ex-boyfriend. We don't know the details of their relationship. He seems like it was like a dear friend, maybe a lover, but also like family at the same time. Also, it's very Jada. Jada likes attention. You're going to commemorate. Was it either his birthday or his death?

I'm not quite sure by reading a poem that nobody ever heard before when he was in jail. Jada likes this stuff. And Will knows it. I don't even think it phases Will. I don't think he cares at all. Well. Jada likes attention. Yeah.

I don't think he cares about this. But I think there's other things that he's cared about. I just wonder now it's starting to be because it was always. What else does she do? August Alcina, she did. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking. No, no, no.

I thought you were talking about what she does with Pock. No. Yeah. She literally did August Alcina multiple times. Yeah. But I think it's interesting now because I think the narrative on Jada and Will is changing. I think the narrative on Jada and Will used to be that Will had a wandering eye and that Will was sort of, the catalyst behind their open relationship or whatever.

I'm not so sure if that's actually the case. I think it's mutual. I think they both, they're both do. I think it's, I think they both have a wandering eye. You know something I don't? No.

No, I don't. I think they both do. Would you, would you carry the flame from one of your ex-boyfriends for like years and years and years and years if they were on the two? Let's say, if he was Pock, yes. Wow.

So here's a deal. So you're you're happily married now. You're happily married to a guy who's got his own. I've been seeing him do his TikTok videos about weight loss. I've been trying to do some of the fucking workouts. Oh, have you been following the steps or whatever he's saying? I've been, or whatever he's saying. Jesus.

Wow. God damn, Brian. God. That does sound bad. So I've been trying to do them. They're not easy. You know, he all. dozen shirtless making me think we're going to look like that.

I get up. I look like a fucking tussie roll pop. But, but, but, but, uh, um, you know, when you sit on the tushy roll, I'll tell you how I look right now, you ever, when you were a kid, did you ever find a tussie roll that you forgot and it's been there for a while and it's mangled and it looks like you're like, oh, who would ever want to be? That's me. That's not stop.

Like, that's my body. But, but, um, but no. So really good visual. Let's say, you know, everybody knows what that looks like Because Tutsi rolls It's just to be around. You used to find Tutsi rolls But people don't eat them anymore

So you have a boyfriend That's as big as Pock Would you carry his flame on forever? And he's passed away And he died too soon. Yeah. Tragically. Yeah.

Absolutely. Okay. What if it was Brian? What if Brian had a girlfriend who was like Selena level or something like that? I'm sure Will. is a Pock fan.

I know. I know that he is. But there you go. Don't. So if it was Selena, as you said Selena? Don't do. Rest and peace,

Selena, by the way. You got to be respectful. But so if Brian's ex was Selena, we would absolutely honor her. So if Brian's, let's not use Selena exactly because a lot of people

probably love Selena and it's going to trigger them. But let's say if Brian had like a super popular famous ex who had passed away young, you wouldn't have any problem with him.

commemorating her all the time and stuff. Not at all. I'm going to be honest with you. It's going to get old for me. I'll be like, okay. How are they doing it? Right? Like, it's going to get old for me.

Because they're only commemorating them on a birthday or on the death. That's twice a year. And I'm not even like, I'm not even jealous like that. Like I don't, I don't care about shit like that. But every, but every, you know, it's going to get old for me. It's going to get old for me. That's, that's fine. I'm fine with that.

Okay, it's Tupacupac. Tupac Shakur. You like his music. The Outlaw. lost Napoleon. You didn't know who Napoleon was. That's crazy. Napoleon conquered so much of the world.

Stop. Don't start that, Roman. You didn't know who Napoleon, Napoleon. And you didn't know what a Napoleon complex was. Sure didn't. Kodak Black threw up. I cannot. I cannot. This is the foolery I was talking about.

This is what I thought you were talking about. Oh, we have to talk about it. So I want the thought warriors out there to know that for all of you guys out there that really have been struggling over this last year, they've really been doing bad. I hope it comforts you to know that. Kodak Black threw like stacks and stacks of money into the water. He said, this is what he did.

He threw a stack of $100,000 bills into the ocean and then he threw him down the toilet. He's, this is so funny. Who wrote this? Kodak Black has been lamenting on social media lately. And now he's casually tossing away hundreds, if not thousands of dollars into the abyss. Um, he threw a hundred, a hundred bill, a hundred dollar bills off a boat. Uh, then he flushed a thousand dollars, uh, down a toilet bowl. His name is Bill Israel. Uh, no, wait, what's his name? Bill Kay Capri. His name is Bill K. Capri. Uh, like, his name is Bill K. Capri. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, what you think about this. Bill? You didn't know that? His name is Bill K. Capri.

His name is Bill K. Capri. Let's go back black. What do you think? What do you think about him throwing money away? What do you think about it? He's a rapper. I hate that we're doing this story. Why?

Clearly he's not okay, right? You don't throw money into the water like that. But the question I really have is I'm more, or not even question the comment, I'm more mad at the person who filmed it. I'll be damned if I filmed somebody throwing money like that, free money into the water and I'm not either trying to stop you

or trying to get it myself. I would have been catching them dollar bills before they hit the water. That man stood there and filmed him putting all that money in the water, which apparently I didn't see $100,000, but apparently people were saying it was at least $100,000.

You know what? It's so negative that I don't really have a strong, opinion. There's like nothing bad. Is it, is it his money and he can do? Is there's nothing good about it? Is it his money and he can do whatever he can do whatever he wants to do it? Fine. Fine. Even if to me, man, would you record? Would you hold the phone up and record while your friend threw $100,000 into the water? Depends on a friend. You wouldn't go for the money? No. No. That's not how I am. It's not about money for me.

you know it's not i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not it's it's not all about money sometimes to me it's not that it's about money it's about the experience rachel sometimes it's just about experience sometimes you want to capture these moments of your friends being dumb asses being complete asses that's what i was going to say disrespecting people that are is oh look we're so old we're so we're so we're so we're so upset about it we're mad there's so many people out there that are out of work this is how people are going to be like oh You're so old. Yeah, nigger.

Niggas ain't got no bread. This motherfucker's, like throwing bread off the fucking thing. Niggas is, niggas is hungry. Like, yeah, it bothers me. I'm old. Fuck it. Like, I'm old.

I'm too old to be like, God damn, that nigga, code that black just don't give a fuck. No. I look that at it out. He looks. I look, yo, bless this brother.

Bless him. Bless his whole family tree. No, you should be. concern. People should be concerned. His mind is bad, clearly. Yeah. Shout out to Pushaistee, who got indicted based off Instagram.

Pushaise's career just got started, man. These kids, these kids, these guys guide. I like Pushaisty. I know you do. I know you do. These kids need guidance, man. Cash your question. Which rap star, which big homie is going to step in and help these kids? Like what current rapper?

Yeah, who should do it? Which current rapper, don't say Jay-Z, which current rapper should step in and help these kids? How big is the rapper supposed to be? He's got to be big enough to where they'll listen to him. Yeah, see, because my first thought was Trey the Truth. Trey the Truth is good. I know.

Trey the truth is a good. Trade of truth is a good. Trey's a good game, though. He's rap, but then he got a good reputation around the city. You know what I'm saying? Yep. No, no. The city, he's just honored at the Billboard Awards. Changemaker Award. Now he's nationally no. Yeah, trade the truth. All right. For his civic work. Mailback, let's go. Do it now.

Mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback time. Write us with your queries and we'll chime in. All right, Trudy, come on. You're back. It's mailbag. You know, it's been a weird week for the pile. We don't have to because let's do it. Hurry up. Last time Melbaq went fucking horribly wrong. Let's go.

Let's go. Okay. So this is from Gina Columbo. What is the weirdest thing you have seen in someone else's home? A jack-off machine. What? A jack-off machine. Do you know what a flashlight is?

No. So a flashlight is like a flashlight, but it's with flesh, right? So you take the flashlight. flashlight, you hold it, right? And then on the outside of the flashlight, or the inside and the outside, they make it look like a woman's vagina. It's like a flashlight, right? You hold it like a flashlight, but it's fleshlight, so you put it on and you use it on yourself, right? That's what the flashlight is. And like different porn stars have different contracts to, like, mold their personal private parts to be like the fleshlight.

So you can buy a flashlight of a different type of porn lady. I've never heard this. Well, there you go. You got to learn something new today. I know a guy when I first got out to L.A. A couple years after I got out to L.A. That not only... I cannot top this.

Not only that had a flashlight, but that had hooked his flashlight up to like a hydraulic thing. and could control it with the... Oh my gosh. Yeah, and could control it with the remote. You just wait till Brian picks up your phone and sees that you've been searching for fleshlights. He's going to be like, what the fuck?

I was about to do it on the computer. I was like, no, I'm at work. Yeah. So he had hooked the flashlight up to like a hydraulic machine. He controlled the flashlight going back. And the thing was, it wasn't even that it was...

He has a... He has a sex toy. You're looking at the fleshlights now. Yeah, he has a sex. There's one in the shape of a hot dog. A fleshlight in the shape of a hot dog? A hot dog fleshlight? I've never seen it.

Who would want that? Like Kobayashi or something? Oh, I see it. That is festive, though. Like for the 4th of July. But he had hooked it up and he was super proud of it. And he had a whole little roll. He shone it off.

Yeah. And it was on a roll. right he had put it on this little he had fashioned this whole little thing for it was on a roller so that he could roll it over to his couch and like put it on him as he was just like watching TV or watching porn or whatever and I like I remember I saw it and I automatically recognized the fleshlight and I was like well what's that thing behind it he's like oh that moves it back and forth he built it he's like the Tony Stark of perverts he built that you called him a pervert I was going to say an addicts but wow can't stop that next question I I don't even

I wouldn't even know what to do. And I just learned something. Yeah. Well, next question then. This is from Rochelle Crest. If you could live your life inside the plot of a movie, which movie would be thinking of why. You know, I'm a suck at this. I ain't seen half the movies.

What would you like me to answer for you? No, just joking. What is your? Yes, yes. What no? No. No. What movie?

Hell no. Hell, you know what? What movie? What movie would I be in Care Bears? Nope, nope. If you were going to be inside of a movie. White girls? Nope.

Nope. If you were going to be in the plot of a movie, it would be Harriet Tubman. It would be, you would be Harriet Tubman because you would give it all up for your people and your love for them is so deep that you would risk your life every inch of you to fight against the man. You would be Cynthia ever. I thought you were going to put me in the house. No. You could be in the house.

That's so funny. that and I see I missed out right there I could have done that that was sitting right there for me you'd be Harriet Tubman would I be Harry Tubman nah nah nah no no you'd be like little Missy or something like that like Samuel Jackson into Jake I would never

I'm not I would never that is one of the finest cinematic performances I've ever seen before in my life but god damn that's hard to watch I would never do you like that no for me it would be Scott Pilgris versus the world Like it would be Scott Pilgr versus the world I never seen it

I would love to look duh I would love to live in that reality think about it though one movie though one movie even animated this is tough for me why I don't when people I start

asking me to think about movies it's like I can only think of like two off the top of my head or something I don't know I just my mind just doesn't work that way I don't know I got to think about this What movie would I be a part of? What movie would you want to live inside of the movie?

You ever see The Matrix? It wouldn't be The Matrix. I'm thinking a musical here. Okay. What musical would I want to be a part of? The Whiz? You make a good, Dorothy. The Wiz.

The Wiz. That's a great one. Do me a favor. Run around with Michael Jackson. Cast the Wiz in your life. Who would be the different characters? If you were Dorothy, who would be who? If I'm Dorothy, who would be?

Brian is the scarecrow. Why is Brian got to be the scarecrow? Because they kind of had a thing, right? In The Whiz? No, they didn't. Diana and Michael did not have a thing. They were holding hands, though. Get on down, get on down.

Get on down. Ease on down the road. I can't count. Don't you carry nothing that might be a load. And so, my I'm saying, is it. I was in a musical. Dallas Black. Oh my gosh, I'm going to mess with the name.

Dallas Black Arts Dance Theater. I thought you was about to say I was in a musical version of Dallas Byers Club. I was about to be like, Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah, I'm actually seeing that movie. What a terrible time at the movies. I was in the ensemble. We had a whole dance that he's on down the road. Okay, I can't think about that right now.

What's the next question? What's the next question? Next question. This is from Brianna Rose. What would be your strategy in a person? Oh, come on. All these movie questions. Go ahead, man.

Do you know the purge? I've seen the first one, but it's been a really long time, maybe another one. I barely remember it. My strategy during the purge would be to be a perjure. So you wouldn't be the ones hiding. No, because I think that's, I think.

How does that happen, right? Like you're a perjure. Right. Okay. but other perjures can kill you or do you only attack the people who are hiding? But see, I would be a perjure and I would like,

so this is my strategy for the purge. I would be a perjure, right? But we wouldn't really do shit. I'd be like, yeah, we're gonna fucking kill some rich people. And I, yeah. But first we're gonna have like a whole bunch of fucking nachos and chill

just talk a little bit. But we got a lot of guns and weapons and stuff. Yeah, you'd be killed by another purge. No, they weren't. We sit around like, Van, is it time to go purging yet? Yeah! Let's go kill some people. Where?

We got to drive to Seattle because they got the best purge it. So we're here in LA and this is what we're going to do. We're going to drive up to Seattle. All right. I know we didn't make it last purge, but I think this purge will actually get there. If we leave now, we could probably like a 19-hour drive. But we've got to drive up to Seattle, okay? The purge is a lot better up there.

Let's purge. And then by the time it's over, like the purge is over. You know what I mean? I'd go out to see. What you don't see in those movies is anything happening on the water. I'd go out for the night on the water. Nobody's coming out there. That's hard to get,

that's hard to trap us on the water. You know what I mean? You can't, you can't block us in anywhere. Okay, but there's one flaw in it, though. What's the flaw? Is that, let's say I know you're going out to the water.

These purge guys have all kinds of crazy weapons. If I have an RPG, your boat is just sitting there. you can't get away. How far... It's a rocket... It's a RPG go. It's a rocket propelled grenade. Like, the boat, if you're by yourself in the boat,

but like, let's say you were boating off the coast of Palis Verdes. I could literally just stand up on the top of the thing and just shoot rockets at you. Well, I wouldn't tell you where I was going. You've never seen that in the movie. They're never on the water. I haven't seen all of them. These people every year, they every year,

they hide in a bunker, they board up their homes. Somebody goes out to see. Well, I'm telling you, the way to do it is to be a perjure. Okay. They attack each other. It happens in movies. Can you have something else about the purge? Like, you don't have to commit just like the bad crimes, right?

Couldn't you be like a fun perjure? Like, couldn't you- And just like taunt people? Oh, yeah, toilet paper people's houses. I thought that in a movie. And like just- Have you ever done that? Hell no. Toilipaper somebody's house?

I know you have, haven't you? See, I could say so many things. But like what do you do? But then when it happened to us, the Lindsay's were not happy. Do you understand what would have happened? I remember one time people were talking about going to toilet paper somebody's house. No, we did do. We used to drive down the street and take people's garbage cans and then just drive with them out of the car.

That's worse. And hold them as long as we could. That's worse. Don't you judge me when you're over. here doing that. That's true. And then one time a couple of my friends were doing it and they dropped one and a car had to swerve out of the way and then the guy started chasing them and then we got too scared to keep to keep doing it. Yeah, you think? It rained when it happened to us. So that's why. Whoa. Wet toilet paper everywhere. Yeah. The judge wasn't happy.

Yeah. I bet he was. Did he like, so when that happened, how did the judge react? Did he pray for the people. Why would you do that to a judge's house? Was he, yeah, he was a judge then. They weren't thinking about that. You know, I think they're invincible. They weren't thinking about all that. And they just teaped the whole house. Crazy. Crazy. All right. Last question. Let's go. This is over. This is going too long. Hurry up. This is from Vaughn. What is your biggest non-career-related accomplishment in why? Oh, that's easy for me. Marriage. Can he marry? Getting married.

Yep, that's it. Is that an accomplishment? Yes. Really? Does that count as an accomplishment? I always wanted that. And I'll tell you why. You can read it in my book for more detail.

But when you go through things, you never think that it can happen for you, or you personally have your own issues and you don't think you can be vulnerable enough to allow someone to come in that way and to share your life with them and to grow together and to really, you know what I mean? That is a huge accomplishment. I really thought about that on my wedding day, too. I'm like, man, I'm really here doing this thing. So you accomplished something that you didn't know was going to be something possible for yourself.

There were times I didn't think, yes, absolutely. Yeah. Mine would have been losing the 130 pounds when I lost the weight. That was a big accomplishment. That's huge. Yeah. Well, no, now I'm huge. No, you're not huge.

Yeah, baby. I'm good, though. I lost three pounds yesterday in one day. There you go. See, he's on his way back to 130. You don't need to lose 130. Oh, my God. If I lost 130 now.

If I lost 130, I would have nothing left. Now, I just need 30 pounds. 30 pounds. Okay, look, that's it. It's over. Unexpected ally of the week. Oh, I forgot about that. We've been dealing with a lot here.

I forgot about unexpected ally of the week. We're going to start new and fresh next week. I'll tell you who the unexpected ally of the week is. Go ahead. It's from the Facebook group. I see you. What a . . Yeah.

Shout out to my nemesis. Okay. This is unexpected ally. Ally. You can't be using it as a place to call out our thought warriors. Shout out to . Shout out to . . Okay.

Wait, were you going at it with people in the Facebook group too? Hell yeah. Okay, listen, Thought Warriors, we're going to start fresh next week. We're all going to come back with open minds, open hearts. Van, I'm talking to you too. We're going to be ready to listen and learn and share ideas and have thought-provoking conversations. It's going to be a new week. And you know why?

Because we have a long weekend to really come back, you know, to who we are, to ourselves. to the core of the podcast. I'm into it. I'm into it. I'm into it. Shout out to our producers, Trudy Joseph and Dony Beecham. We love you guys.

All right. Take the thing caps off, but do not stop learning. I'm Van Lathen. I'm Rachel Lindsay. Bye Facebook. Okay, now I've got to go look and see what you've been on there and do it.

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