Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Gabrielle Union on ‘The Inspection’ and Empowering Your Children

Episode Date: November 22, 2022

Van and Rachel discuss Kyrie Irving’s return to the Brooklyn Nets and Black Hebrew Israelites showing up in support (22:34), before reacting to the tragedy at an LGBTQ club in Colorado Springs (35:24). Then, Gabrielle Union joins the show to discuss her new film ‘The Inspection’ and motherhood in the face of public scrutiny (46:46). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Gabrielle Union Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher Learning is on. Is I, Van Lathan Jr. And it's me, Rachel Lynn Lindsay. Rachel, what was your junkin for today? Jack Ryan. Do you watch the show?

It's a good show. It is a good show. Season 3 comes out in December. The guy from Titans plays Jack Ryan. From Titans? What's Titans? Titans is a show about the Teen Titans. It's a superhero show.

show. Okay. Set me up there. In D.C., there's the Justice League, and then there's the Teen Titans. You know who the Justice League are? I do. Name all the members of the Justice League. Batman? One. Hulk. Don't embarrass me. Wait. Wait. Batman, Robin. Adjacent. Okay. Technically, yes, but that's a punt. That's not going to count. He's really not in. He's really not in it. Rob is really not in the job. Justice League, but kind of is, but not really. But keep going. Think about it.

Batman? Who else? Who else is in D.C.? Who else? Catwoman. Wrong. But if you don't get one other person that's in the Justice League, there's one other person you have to get. Batman and who else? My head

is going to explode out of my body. Just give me a second. Rachel. Justice League, I only know Batman in D.C. That's impossible. That's impossible. But, you know, I mix my D.C.'s and Marvels. We played this game before. Who's in D.C.?

Rachel. Rachel. Rachel. Rachel. Rachel. Batman and who? If you just give me this other character's name, we can move on. I want to keep saying Robin. When you keep saying Batman and who? Can you give me a hit?

Donnie. Donnie, stop laughing. Wait a minute. You, okay, so we're talking about the members of the Justice League. Okay. You said Batman. Good answer. Batman is a very popular DC character

There's only one character That is as popular or even more popular than Batman in DC Rachel, please Please Rachel Nathan are you making me nervous Just give me a second I just want to name Marvel people Okay DC DC

DC are they in a Batman movie Yo Are y'all fucking with me? I don't know Are they in a Batman movie? You know what? They had a movie with Batman. They had a movie with Batman, not too long ago, some years ago.

But they're not evil because the Justice League is good. They're not evil. You're joking. Rajah Banks. Is that a snake? Raja Bings. Rajah Gould. Is that a snake?

Raja Gould. Oh, Bain. No, he's good. Oh, my God. First of all, who the fuck? Oh, Raja Binks. I want somebody out there. Wonder Woman.

Wonder Woman is in fact in the Justice League. That's not who I'm talking about. Wonder Woman is in the Justice League. That is true. Oh, Superman. God damn it, nigger. What the fuck? Johnny.

That was rough. That's tough, dog. That's a tough one, man. I don't know. I mean, now I obviously know Superman's not in Marvel, but, and you're right, they did. Superman versus Batman. Or is that Batman versus Superman? It doesn't matter.

You get full credit for whatever gets said, as long as it's not Rajah Binks. You said Raja Binks. You confused. Batman was Star Wars. Wait, wait, Raja G what's the guys? Raz Aguul. I said Gould. I did later correct.

I said Raja Gould. Raja Gould. Yeah, you came back. Raza Gull, yeah. Jaja Binks. Jajar Binks is a Star Wars character from Phanimis. That's who he is. Raja Binks.

Jesus. The Justice League is, you know every character in the Justice League, except for one, by the way. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman. I'm actually shocked. I didn't say Wonder Woman. Now, that one I should have done. Batman, Wonder Woman. Flash.

Aquaman. Aquaman. Well, it's all. Once I broke, Cyborg. Once I broke the barrier of the Superman, I mean, of the Wonder Woman, it started to come to me. Martian Man Hunter Green Lantern. Okay.

Oh, Green Lantern. You know Green Lanter. But like in the movie Justice League, Batman Superman Flash Aquaman Wonder Woman Sideboard That was rough That was a tough one That was a tough one

Rajah Binks Raja Binks Somebody draw Raja Binks Newman Brothers Justice League God damn So funny I would like to move on Yeah it's time to move on

It's definitely time to move on I know you feel like moving on We got Gabriel Union on the show today. Well, you got her. Rachel was not here. I'm very upset by Gabrielle, you're getting it for listening. Please

come back. I hate that I had to miss this interview. I know it was good. I pitched to her an idea. She liked it? No. Okay. No one likes my ideas. The name of the the name of the show is East Compton. Is it a spinoff?

East Compton Clovers. Yeah. She is now it's got to go back to the East Compton Clovers. She's left. She became like world famous, but now she's got to be a principal of East Compton. It's Bring It On meets the Wire. That's exactly what she said.

Is it? She said, wait, my Joe Clark, that's exactly what she said. It's bringing on meets the wire. You know what I mean? I want, I don't, they got to do the routines and stuff, right? They got to do the routines. But at the same time, you got to keep these chili. leaders off that shit.

I'm actually shocked there has not been a spinoff with East Compton. As many bring-in-ons as there have been, I'm actually shocked that they didn't do something with the Clovers. They don't care about them anymore. They used them. They used the Clovers to make... No, they replaced them with

white people crumping. So I didn't see any of the other movies. Well... So the East Compton Clovers aren't in any of the sequels? Solange plays in one. I'm not sure which one. and I believe she is with that school, but she could be a different school. I, too, have not seen all of them.

I've just seen clips. The older I get, the more militant I am about bringing on. Bringing On is a good movie. I really like it. Loved it. I went to the theaters to see it. Oh. I did.

So I went to the theaters to see Bring It On and with my girlfriend at the time. And I wasn't expecting a movie to have sexy ladies in it the way that it did. So I wasn't even pissed. As a matter of fact, I got myself in trouble in the theater. Doing what? You got to clarify.

Being like a 20, 20-year-old guy, 19-20-year-old guy. It's like, oh, we had never seen Gabrielle Union before. That's not true. Obviously, we didn't watch 7th Heaven. Never saw it. Isn't that the 7th Heaven is the one where the dad was... Of course you're going to go there. He was fucked up, wasn't he?

After. You mean his personal life? Yeah. Yeah. after. But on the show, he was a pastor. And it had like, life imitates art.

Art imitates life. It had Jessica Bill. And. Who else was in it? Gabrielle Union was, biggest star was Jessica Bill. But Gabrielle Union was the friend. The black friend they used to hang out with them.

That's when I first saw her. Seventh Heaven was about a pastor in his family. What was the, like what they had adventures? Yeah. It's just like them, like Jessica Bill was kind of the rebel. Bellius one. She was the tomboy. It was just like there's the story of this family.

Did he give a Christian lesson at the end of every show? No, not at the end of every show. But there was, I feel like there was a lesson. It's been so long. I don't really remember. But it was one of the few shows I could watch. So this was during the time of white shows. Yeah, what year was seventh?

That would be white. So, like, these were the white shows. What was the show about the dude? He was a basketball player. Give me more. The blonde guy, he played basketball. They shot in North Carolina. I can't remember your name of this show.

One Tree Hill? One Tree Hill. One Tree Hill. I didn't watch that, though. Dawson was before. Dawson is all-time white. The Dawson is the best. You watched it, though?

Watch a little bit of it. Dawson has maybe the best cast of whites that you could ever ask for. Like that went on to do things. But also just solid whites. You know what I'm saying? What is the criteria to be a solid white? Well, not fucking up. Okay?

You know what I mean? Foundation. When you think about it, Vanderbyte, solid white, Joshua Jackson, solid fucking white. Michelle Williams, solid white, solid. You can't give white people too much credit for nothing. Katie Holmes? Solid white. I mean, you know, there was moments where we was like, what's the deal?

She was fucking Jamie Fox. So like, it's like... Is that out there? Oh, yeah, I guess they were dating. Yeah, they were going through a whole thing. Solid white. You don't want to give white people too much. The highest level of actual, like, the best way you can compliment a white person is solid white.

Because anything else you're putting, it's going to come back to you. Okay. But at least solid white. Brian. Solid white. So why are you, you know, like solid white, solid white. And we, I feel like in our generation, we had the best solid whites. We had, we had the best white people.

So this was 96 to 2000. It's on for 10 years. 96 to 2006. So that was the solid white era for you. Solid white era. Freddie Prince Jr., solid white. Sarah Michelle Geller, solid white. Ryan Philippi, solid white.

These people have never fucked up. I think there might have been some fuckery going out right with Ryan. And didn't he do Restority or no? I'm not talking about that. Okay. I'm talking about along racial situations, cultural situations. We had a good crew in that era, right? The era before was fucking.

Before social media. Yeah, the era. Hi, Felipe, or however you pronounce his last name, was married at a plantation in Charleston, South Carolina. Damn. To who? Reese Witherspoon. Fuck. Did they, but okay.

So stop the list. Wait, no, no, no. It's called old wide awake plantation. Not wide awake. Them niggas ain't getting no sleep. That's why I was wide awake. Be honest, let me be rude with you. The white people, they weren't wide awake.

They got to sleep. It was always a nigger awake. on the wide-awake plantation. That's another thing about plantations, man. Another difference between plantations and other places where horrible things happened is like plantations had these quaint, cozy names. You know what I mean?

Forest Hill Plantation. Soft bottom plantation. They had all of these names wide-aw-aw-wide. Wait, like, look up some plantation names. Oak Alley.

Oak Alley. That doesn't seem like that's a place where you're going to go and get completely fucked up. It doesn't seem like nobody's getting whipped

at the Oak Alley plantation. Well, yeah, you're right. I mean, well, these were also these white people's homes so they wanted it to sound.

I know. But even that's, think about how presumptuous that is. You're right. You give your house a fucking nickname. Like,

this is where you live. You know what I mean? Like, come on. up like I don't I don't have a nickname for the place that I stay right now. Come on up to Boz-McLair. Huh? Frog level.

Frog level. That doesn't sound that nice. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Name some more. Let me find some more plantation. Let me find some in Louisiana. Hold on.

I know. Sunnyside. Sunnyside. Look at that. That sounds nice. We had, there's one called Magnolia Mound that was in Baton Rouge. some of the antebellum homes still exist there. What else?

What else do we have here? See what I'm saying? But see? Mary Sherwood. Riversdale Mansion. Riversdale Mansion. Salisbury Plantation. You get a Salisbury State.

Zion Hill. Zion Hills. Jesus. You know what I'm saying? Like all of these different places. That's why I will give the tiniest of passes. Teresa Ryan. They might not know.

Either that or they were the, where Shaik, Raquel. Kirkkenau of their times. Rachel. Rachel. But maybe it was because there was no social media, but I still look at Ryan Philippi, Reese Witherspoon,

all of these people, I connected with somebody on Twitter. Who? Solid white. That's coming to do the podcast. Who? Vanessa Carlton. Oh, really?

Solid. You can only be solid. It can't go any higher. You know what I mean? Because if you start saying, them good white folks, then it sounds kind of... Well, especially if you say it like that. That's how people would say it.

Don't get mad at Ryan, Philippi. That's a good white man. Then it seems like you can do it too much. But there's no harm. How do we get here? There's no... There's no harm. It's just being like, yo, man, it's solid.

I like the solid. Solid, solid. Solid. Solid. I like solid. Solid is cool. Who are the solid whites now? It's not as many, bro.

I'm just going to diss all white people. I'm not dissing all. I'm just saying it. It's just not as many. That there aren't, that aren't free of some type of controversy is what you're saying. Billy Ireland is solid. Billy Irish.

Solid. She's solid, man. You know what I'm saying? She'll fuck up next week. I don't want to name anybody. I'm just going to nod my head when you talk. I'm just nodded by head. As soon as we name them,

we're going to go through their Twitter, released, Billy Ilish 2013. I'm fucking with all my niggas. You know what I'm something? Something crazy. Like, we got to do it. We got another story that today. Talking about it today. All right. Pink. What do we think about pink?

I don't know why that just popped up in my head. Solid as fuck. Solid, right? Solid. Solid as fuck. I think she's solid. Solid as fuck. I was mad at her back in the day. Which part, which during? Because I got to be honest with you about something. Kanye versus Taylor Swift. I took Connie.

side. Oh, you liked him going on stage and doing that? It's not that I liked it. You understood it? Nope. Okay. It's just that I reflectively defend black people at all times. Okay. So when the, when the he is that much

then I'm like, no, okay, we got to, it's not that big of a fucking deal. Come on, it's happened before. You know, the Beastie Boys did it. You know, fucking other people. People have done shit like that. It wasn't this fucking big of a deal. Let it go. And then I remember Pink came out and was like, Connie's a huge piece of shit.

And I was mad at Pink for a while. Well, I'm glad you got over it. It was a shitty thing at the moment. I think that's more so what she was trying to say. He was off the Hennessy. It happens. You ever been off the Hennessy? What's the craziest thing you did off the Hennessy?

I'd like to not talk about it, but I have been off the Hennessy before. The Hennessy before. Have you ever been off the Hennessy in front of the judge? No, I would never. You've never been drunk in front of your parents? Nope. What kind of shop are y'all running over there?

What do you mean? I'm trying to think of opportunities when I could just get messed up with my parents. We don't drink like that at home. I might have a drink at dinner, but I'm not getting wasted. At best, it would be at somebody's wedding. So you've never been drunk. And I wasn't drunk at my wedding. You weren't.

And actually, my parents went home, went to bed early at the reception. Your wedding was, as we. talked about a second ago was segregated. Okay. Let's clarify. You said it yourself. And black and brown. Black and brown.

And it wasn't segregated. Hold on. Hold on. Brown. Really? You know, when I went to Columbia. I know, I understand. But Brian.

And we were having a conversation with the cousins. Yeah. And he was like, why would you say why we're brown? What enough? That's literally. And I was like, solid. Solid. Solid.

Solid. Solid. Solid. Solid. It was not segregated. It's only segregated, groom and bride. Now, being that we are black and brown. That's wild. I'm sorry. So, yes, there might have been a little bit of a difference. So you so mean, but there were only black people on my side. There weren't only black people. You went. So if I walked into the wedding. You would have known whose side was who? Black people and white people. Majority.

Crazy, man. Y'all should have saw that coming. I want to see some pictures. Majority. Yeah. It was actually really nice because we, you know, celebrated both cultures. And then you integrated the wedding after a while. At the reception, for sure.

And the wedding was, you had to have somebody come out like they were LBJ and, girl, I give everybody permission to come together. Like, that would be so funny if you guys would have had like a fake LBJ, like an actor. No, that would not have been funny at all. And it wouldn't have made sense. Like, y'all could have the wedding because I'll start off. It wouldn't have a sense. But I did have my dad give his speech in Spanish.

I have a dream speech? In Spanish. Oh. To show to like, you know, solidarity. Has the judge ever been drunk in front of you? My dad does not drink. No. Your dad doesn't drink.

Pretty hair drink? She might have a glass of wine, champagne. Pretty hair, okay. Pretty hair is going to be here soon. What's she coming down for? To see, she hasn't been here to visit me since I moved. Ever? Is L.A. too much of a place of heathens for her?

No. I've only been here two years. And then COVID. So, like, they weren't really traveling like that. I just, it's hard to believe, like, I go to my grandmother's house. Shout out to my momo. Shout out to my mother. Mom's back in Baton Rouge.

I'll go to, you know, my mother's. Come out here for the holidays. So I would, I would, I would, I would, we had them, with the house, right? Get there and all of a sudden they start making the margaritas. And everybody is drunk. Not just them. But, like, my friends, my friend, I fee used to go over there, get drunk off margaritas, Ebony's drunk.

I'd probably go over there and get drunk. I'm drunk. We all drunk sitting around getting it. We some Louisiana's, we some niggas. We drink. You know what? I lie. I have been drunk in front of the judge.

When? But I'm, like, a really calm when I was in Louisiana at the trail ride. Right before. So everybody drinks. Everybody has a good time. It's an all-day affair. Yeah. So, you know.

Okay. Just making sure y'all having a good time over there. But my dad doesn't drink. But he was there. Yeah, he was there to win this whole thing. When I come to visit the judge, me and the judge are going to throw some back. He's not going to. Yes, he is.

He's not. He doesn't like the not feeling like he's in control. That's what he tells you now. That's what he tells you. What's college did he go to again? He went to St. Mary's for undergraduate and UT for law school. telling you. Just wait until you the judge at OT, I bet. You know that, okay,

how about this? Did you know that back in Atlanta, Martin Luther King, Jr. had a crew of people. His friend group, they had their crew had a name. Do you know what the name of the crew was? What? The wreckers.

Do you know why? I'm afraid. What do you think they wrecked? Yeah. They called themselves the wreckers. Fact. Look it up. because they called themselves the wreckers. Okay, I believe the name, but is the reason the why true? Yeah.

The why is because they was out there. But wait, what made you say that in regards to my dad? Because what I'm saying is. I mean, I do like the Martin Luther King comparison. What I'm saying is, I don't like the record part. Your dad, when he was at UT, it was probably the same shit. He was probably wrecking shit. Anyway, let's get to the shit.

I know what you would like to, you so want my dad to be. I know what he is. I know. All right. We have Gabrielle Union coming up in a little bit. She has a movie that is out now. It's called The Inspection. It is a very powerful story.

Gabriel Union plays an incredibly, incredibly interesting character in this story. The homophobic mother of a young black gay man who wants to join the Marines and does join the Marines. You do not want to miss the interview with Gabrielle Union. Yeah. We talk about everything, including how this role in many ways was inspired by some real-life situations that she's going through. She talks directly about it, so do not miss that.

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Donnie, what the- He's been, don't, don't know. Donnie, what the fuck? He's been, he's titled that before. He sees that title before. Donnie, what is this? You must, you don't remember. You have a short memory. What did I say? When we don't have a clear and obvious big deal, it's let's give him something to talk about. He's done this before, which, Donnie, I appreciate the titles. It's just a serious of quotes. Let's give them something to talk about. This was like a month ago.

Exactly. And we talked about this. And I said, who sings the song? Bonnie Ray. This whole thing. Okay. All right. Carrey Irvin said to move forward with the net.

after winning a winning return. Brooklyn Nets, Brooklyn Nets guard, Kyrie Irvin, said he never had a doubt he would return to the team after serving an eight game suspension for what the Nets termed, the harmful impact of his conduct. He scored 14, grabbed five rebounds.

Your thoughts about Kyrie's return. Listen, Kyrie apologized. He seems like he met with the only talked to some other people. You know, I didn't doubt that he would return either. I mean, it's, I'm glad that he sees the wrong. Maybe he didn't intentionally try to do it, but was ignorant, recognized it, apologized to the community,

and, you know, he's back on the team, playing. I mean, you know, what do I think about it? Good for good, Gary. I don't want to see him gone for, I didn't, I didn't, think that this was something that we should have seen him completely banned from the team from playing in the NBA

if he never apologize. Of course not. If he never apologized, it's a different story, but he did. And then he seemed to be meeting with people and talking and realizing what he did that was offensive. So he took time off, eight games and I realized it was eight games. So you just said that.

And so, you know, he's back. So I think what happened with Kyrie can be also kind of subbed up in the response and there's another situation that we have to look at. So outside of Kyrie's return, the Hebrew Israelites were out there. Okay? The Hebrew Israelites are a group. They've been around for a long time.

And this is, these are basically the brothers who believe, you know, you can go out there to find out there to find out what the Hebrew Israelites believe. they've been around for a long time. I've had family members, not have had, I have family members who have or who are Hebrew Israelites and they talk about the true and lost history

of black people about who the true Jews are, which they believe us to be. And they connect that back to not so ancient times and how that affects black people today. Well, they showed up outside Barclay Center

to support Kyrie Irvin. Mm-hmm. Okay. No issue with that. I'll let people do their own, their own research on who the Hebrew Israelites are and whether or not they agree with what's being said and whether or not they agree with some of the things that are in there. That's up to you guys. I can tell you that I've looked at it.

And to me, it's certainly not for me. And there's certainly all some tropes in there that I do not agree with. But far be it for me to meld anyone else's minds for that, you guys can make up your own minds. But this is the interesting thing. I think this kind of connects back to what we were talking about with Carrier. Jalen Brown from the Boston Celtics. Posted the Hebrew Israelites and said energy over the top of the post.

A lot of people were happy to see that Carrier had some support. out there. A lot of people were saying this is what we need to be doing and they were happy to see that there was some sort of demonstration, a show of strength, if you will, outside the Barclays center. Once again, I'm never one to thumb my nose at Unity or Black Man showing up for each other. It's not what I'm going to do. So you guys, if you want more information about the particular organization, it's all right there for you. Jalen Brown then comes back and says he gets obviously blowback for that. He gets some backlash for that.

He didn't come back and says, well, I didn't know that these were Hebrew Israelites. The guys were wearing purple and gold, and they, I'm not going to lie. They looked just like them. They looked like some cues, bro. And I'm a doubt so.

And I thought it with the bras. So they looked like some cues. They looked like some cues. They 100 did. So I looked at them. I was, oh, it's the Q. And I'm thinking, why the Q's,

is Kyrie Irving the Q? And then they're like, no. And so it's like the Hebrew Israelites, okay. So he comes back and says, yo, I didn't know that this was the Hebrew Israelites or what group was out there. I thought that these were members of Omega SciFi. And he posted pictures of Q's.

And he posted pictures of the Q's like, yo, you can't tell me that these motherfuckers don't look like they're some Q. Okay. This is the thing as it relates to Kyrie Irvin and as it relates to Jalen Brown. If you're going to put it up on your social media, you've got to know who the guys are.

Yes. If you're going to put it up on your social media, you got to know what's in the documentary, right? You got to know. Because the reality is these people aren't children. These are grown men that are, these are two grown men in Jalen Brown and Kyrie Irvin, who not just now, but over the course of their careers,

have wanted to be. leaders have sought out leadership positions. And to be honest with you, have showed up for people in fantastic ways. Carrey Irvin and Jalen Brown. Oh, sure. Have both been incredibly generous and not just generous with money, generous and brave with thoughts, words, and time when it deals with the condition and the situation of black people in this country. And if there's any type of conversation about those men without having that conversation be a part of that, then it's unfair. Okay?

They both have been. Even recently, which at Cuomo Robinson, you've seen that Kyrie Irvin has stepped up, put his money where his mouth is, and making sure that that girl's family is able to pay to put her down and for wherever else might need to happen there, legal bills, so what, so what, so what and so far. But what I'm saying is this. If you're going to be a leader, then your words and your actions, you should be expecting them to have impact. You should be expecting them to have meaning.

You should be expecting them to be chewed on, talked about, discussed, and to impact and affect other people. Doesn't mean you have to be flawless. But it does mean that you're accepting an extra added degree of scrutiny, that it seems to me, that sometimes people aren't, they're not prioritizing. They're not taking that consideration. If you're Jalen Brown, Jalen Brown's talking about the Don the Doves, right? And the fact that he was working with Kanye, or excuse me, working with Yey on his school, helping the kids there and all of that. And he was very upset that some of the things that Ye was doing was making people pull support away from the school, the kids at the school.

couldn't play basketball, they couldn't get the things that they were needed. Well, that's a reflection of the leadership of the school. And when you are a leader, when you have young people following you, you have to consider how the things that you do affect them. Absolutely. And so what I would say is in that situation, I looked at that. I'm like, come on, man. Like, before you go out there with that, let's not go through this whole pattern again. Just take a little bit of extra time to make sure that you're actually posting something that you can stand behind. That's all it took. Energy.

So you thought hundreds of cues came out to support. I mean, look, look. They look like you. No, no, I know they look like it. But my first thought would have been like, why are the cues here? Oh, just like you said, is Kyrie Irvin a cue? No, he's not. Well, then who are these men in purple and gold?

That's how that would follow. Let me ask you this, because this was my only other issue. You know, you're going out. you're going out in support in large numbers as black men to support Kyrie. The chanting that offends people, they were chanting. I don't hear what they were chanting. They were saying, we are the real Jews amongst other things. Yeah, I don't fuck with that.

I know, but I'm just saying if I'm going to also talk about something that was an issue, It's one thing because I can't say, you know, it's great since that black men came out in support without also acknowledging that what they were saying was problematic. Because if you're going, because not everybody who identifies. That's an incredible point. I'm glad you brought up. Not everybody who identifies as a black Hebrew Israelite says things that are anti-Semitic or can be interpreted that way. So I don't want to sit here and say that everybody who's BHA is that. But.

BHA. Well, I just, I didn't feel like keep saying black Hebrew Hebrew Israelites. You just. I just, I just said, okay. Okay, sister. Okay, BHA, Rachel, Rachel, tell me about your experiences with Yahweh in the most hot. Like, Rachel, whoa.

I see, you kind of got the purple on too. But I, this is clearly navy blue, clearly. But the problem is, is like putting down one group to exalt yourself is an issue. And I just have to acknowledge that it's like you can say it's great that there was solidarity, but it was problematic in the ways that they were doing it. Yeah. What we need now is for everybody to catch their breath. And now just don't put any more on our place before the end of the year.

I know it's good. It's a big ask, man. I'm just saying everybody can't because really, look, black Americans are searching and always have been for their true history. We want to know who we are. Now, I believe that we do know who we are. I think that we do. I think that we know who we are.

And if we have been, not if we have been, since we have been cut off from our ancestry in a way that's incredibly unique, I think that our time here has allowed us to invent a culture anew, but not so anew, and resurrect a spirit that never really died

and really achieve some things in America that we can only achieve if we had the basis of who we are. from them, right? A lot of the music, the culture, the solidarity that we do have, the way that we look at things, the way that we process things, it informs you of who we are and who we've been over the last not hundreds of years, but thousands of years.

And that's there. I just want to make sure that everything that we do to find out who we are, everything that we say to find out who we are, is done for us. I feel you. It's done for us. Centred on us. Agnostic about anybody else.

Here or here. Yeah. Not what you're doing. Not what you're doing for us to make us better, fuller, freer, and more healthy. Colorado Springs mayor says at the show, Shooting at the LGBT nightclub has all the trappings of a hate club.

I am sorry to say that late Saturday, Anderson Lee Aldrich entered Club Q in Colorado Springs began shooting, killing five and injuring 25 others for multiple clubgoers confronted him and stopped him.

This was disgusting. And there are a lot of of questions about this particular perpetrator, their connection to some people in the Republican Party, his grandfather. Who? Oh, this guy's grandfather is a Republican politician in California. And there's some talk, there's some belief, I'm not positing any crazy theories here,

that this is a gentleman that should have been put away long before this, but maybe perhaps to his grandfather's political connections that he was not. put away. Question. Did he live in California or Colorado? Colorado. Colorado. You heard this news.

I'll give you a little bit more about that in the second, but you heard this news. What did you think? I mean, it's one of those things. Like, you immediately my first thought was what happened in Orlando. And I just can't imagine, you know, obviously we're allies and support the LGBTQ plus community. And I just can't imagine, you know, being a part of that community, feeling you know, like we talk about our own hate that we deal with. They deal with their own hate as well.

You're going out for a night. You're celebrating with friends. And then you got to also worry about something like this. And we aren't that far removed was 2016 of what happened at Pulse. And it's just, it's horrible that people lost their lives, that people are injured, that people are emotionally affected. traumatized by what happened all because of how

they identify. So this shooter in June 2021, his mother, Laura Vobel reported him to the police in El Paso County for threatening to cause harm to her with a homemade bomb, multiple weapons, and ammunition.

This is according to a press release by the El Paso County Sheriff's Department. Dispected shooter was arrested after a standoff with police and charged with five felonies. But a review of court records online show no indication that prosecutors moved forward with the case. The Colorado Springs Gazette reported that the district attorney's office said that no formal charges were pursued in the case. The district attorney's office did not respond. to a request for comment at the time.

Let me say again, the suspected shooter was arrested after an armed standoff with the police and charged with five felonies, but never, ever prosecuted on the five felonies. And no explanation. Explanation. His mother repeatedly sought help for him. She asked the same group online.

She went on Facebook. Can anyone please recommend? made a great trauma PTSD therapist, adding that was for a 21 year old. And may she asked if anyone could get her son a boxing coach.

It's built like a freight train, she said. Okay. She was consistently reaching out and asking people for help with her son. At the same time, his violent tendencies and his penchant for destruction

was being overlooked. He's reportedly the grandson of outgoing GOP State Assemblyman Randy Vopal, former mayor of Sancte, California. Oble represents the 71st District in the San Diego area. All this stuff is weird. It's weird to have five felonies. It's not weird. And not be prosecuted.

It turns around the failure of the law enforcement in El Paso County to identify. A clear and present threat to the community there. It ended up costing five people their lives. Yeah. It's not weird. It's purposeful. The constant ignoring of the violence of white males, of the penchant for, look, we overtalk about everyone else's capability for violence. We overtalk it.

We talk so much about it. we talk so much about the harm that other people can do. This is what a black male can do to you. This is what a brown male, like Brian's Brown. This is what a brown male can do to you. Hell, even the movies now, all the gangsters, these guys are white, but all the gangsters are Russian. But the American waspy guy always needs an extra chance to kill somebody. Always needs just a little bit more help.

Do you know how many stories? you know how many stories I got into this stuff during the pandemic there are in the overwhelming majorities of cases of these mass shooters the flags that are that

that people should have recognized there's one I can't remember particularly what the case is I remember it was a guy that went into a store I feel like it was in Pennsylvania somewhere a grocery store started started shooting people

but remember he was telling his therapist, I believe he might have gone to school in Colorado or something, he was telling his therapist about his homicidal urges. And she was telling people, yo, don't lose track of this kid. This kid is teetering on the edge. Tetering on the edge. Don't lose track of this kid. He's teetering on the edge. Obviously, drops out of school, kills as much people. There's nothing serious enough that a white man can do

to be held an account in America other than kill like 15 people. There's nothing serious that leads. There's nothing you know, I mean, I'm talking about all the, Sam Bankman-Fried at FTX, the crypto guy.

$30 billion dollar crypto guy. Just bankrupted. A whole bunch of people. bullshit posy scheme crypto shit just bankrupted a whole bunch of people you know like just literally and I'm thinking to myself when I'm watching this stuff I'm like how much fucking damage this stuff like that do to people ruins people's entire lives absolutely so I'm looking at this and I'm looking at there's clear actionable reasons that's why see if we're going to talk about this we'll talk about this situation in particular. The district attorney needs to be charged in this case.

Like in some way, the only way that stuff like this is going to stop is if you hold the people who have the power accountable for not using their power to control the situation, right? You're a sworn officer of the court. You're supposed to, within your office, serve and protect, even as a DA. And that means prosecuting and keeping danger off the streets. And instead, let that wild animal loose and then you see what happens. He should be held, this is a reach, but in some way, you're an accessory because you fell to do your job in that situation and then look what ended up happening when you had all the power to do so. Even if you had prosecuted and he had been found not guilty, that wouldn't have been on you. At least you did carry out

the duties of your job. But instead, you used your power in an evil, not evil, but in a negative way, for whatever reason, because you've decided not to give an explanation as to why you didn't prosecute this man. And look where we are now. And these are only the things that we know about. By the way, we also continue to tell you guys that our LGBTQ brothers and sisters are under attack. You just won't believe us. Just won't believe us. But like how easily we forget.

Paul's had 49 people. This is somebody who prayed upon a group of people. You take them out. You attack them during transgender day of visibility, right? You attack them. And you choose them because it's a target. They're so disposable and so easy to forget for so many Americans. And it's just part of this.

And this is kind of the thing that we're talking about when we're talking about value. This is part of this. And we all know this part to where not only do people not care, they think they had it coming. There's a part of this to where it's the same reason why certain other dysfunction is looked at in a way to where people don't care as much. They don't go, they don't get as up in arms. because a part of it is people thinking that there's a certain group or groups that are getting what it is that they deserve. Okay, let's take a break.

And I think not to batter you guys with stuff, but this is a good place to get in our interview with Gabrielle Union. Because, of course, we know that Gabrielle Union is raising Zaya Wade right now. And that is greatly informed, the reason why she wanted to act in this movie The Inspection, which is a fantastic film where she plays a really mean mom.

So some really mean things. So I want you guys to listen to this interview and I want to commend Gabrielle Union for being incredibly forthright throughout this interview. Yeah. Just really laid it out there. And I also want to let her know

that East Clover's idea. Oh, gosh. He's caught up himself. I'm here. We won an Academy Award, Gabby. Wow. He just threw that in there. All right.

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Gabrielle Union joins us today on Higher Learning. How are you doing today's system? I'm good. I've been going since 5.30 this morning. So I'm good. I'm good. So the film is the inspection. Yes. And it tells a story that's inspired by True Live Events about a young black man

who is seemingly trying to find himself by joining the Marines. you play his really harsh and homophobic mom. This is a young gay black man who's trying to find himself in the Marines. And seeing what I've seen of the film, I've never seen you like this before. Yeah, I've never seen you like this before. I didn't think it was possible, to be honest. And you're watching footage from the movie

and you're just swept into the drama, to the power of the story, and to the some of the ugliness that it kind of exists in it tell me why this role why did you want to do this I mean it's important

and sometimes people need a mirror held up to them to recognize that no matter your intentions no matter how loving they may be that you you just might be a villain in your own child's story and I think sometimes parents need to

to see it to recognize that they need to pivot quickly before they lose everything. And so, I mean, obviously it's a personal story, you know. I have my own child who is, who fights every day to be seen and acknowledged and loved and accepted and respected. And so if I can be a part of making a piece of art that challenges folks to perhaps figure out another way to protect or love their queer children, no matter

they're young or I've met 90-year-olds who are still looking for their parents' love and validation and acknowledgement. And their parents have been gone a long, long time. That hope never goes away. So I just hope we can reach parents who may be, at least on the fence.

I don't know if I can get anybody from the other side to come back to a place of being reasonable and kind and loving. But for those folks, and me and D talked to a lot of parents who are like, I just, I just don't know how to love them, which sounds. Jesus Christ. Really wild, but it's probably the most common phrase that I've heard from parents. When a parent, when a parents, it's incredibly sad, when a parent tells you that, when they say, I just don't know how to love my queer child.

What's your answer? What do you say? In the beginning, you know, I'm quick to read someone for filth. I just don't. I didn't, you know, I don't understand that. But I realize that I'm not helping, you know, I'm not helping that child that just wants their parent to love them. I have to talk to them and say like, okay, well, what specifically is the challenge is,

if it's just their identity, how they identify. you do understand that to deny someone their identity is to strip them up their humanity. And your love shouldn't be inhumane. Do you know what I'm saying? Of course, yeah. And you don't need to understand everything 100%, right? You don't need to be a professor in everything that pops up in life. But you can approach everything with love and an open heart and an open mind and recognize

that there's more than one way to lead a beautiful, successful, loving, big life. And it doesn't have to be shrinking yourself or constantly shape-shifting or conforming to what whoever's ideal is of what it means to be good

or deserving or worthy. And that's where I realize that's what I have in common with not only my character, but a lot of these parents think that being a good parent is to reject harm, abuse, traumatize their child. And it doesn't have to be. So there's a line that I saw you give that literally cut me to the core.

It just, you're, he's looking for his birth certificate, given the birth certificate. And then you say, this is the last thing that I have, and I might not get it right, of the hope that I had for you. like to your son and I'm like fuck you know what I'm like I'm like man um and you just think of that coming from your mom and then at the trailer bookends with him looking at you and saying I'm never going to give up on us so I wonder for you someone who deals with that type of hate coming towards you and your family, what did you use

to prepare yourself for the role? Did the hate of the scrutiny that you and Dwayne get for how you guys are parenting, did you use any of that to ground you in the role of this woman who can't seem to figure out how to love her son?

No, thank God. In order to do this well, I had to not judge her. I see. I generally speaking, I mean, it's a lazy way of acting, but I judge every character and then I act out that judgment on screen, right? It's the easiest way for me. It's a quick, quick, you know, shortcut, but it's not really doing the work. So my first question was what, who was she before she was a mom, right? Who was she, who was she when she, she had no responsibility?

She just a girl in the world. And because she became a young, a parent young, I had to say like, okay, well, who was she? in her childhood. And Elegance said, you know, she was a top student. She was top of her class. She was a great athlete. And for a lot of young black girls, and she was a dark-skinned little black girl, education in sports are a way that we tell girls and tell, you know, a lot of kids, this is how you can get out.

This is how you can become good enough to whoever to give you opportunities for them to see you, for them, for you to be undeniable. And when she, when she, you know, found herself pregnant as a child, she turned to organized religion and organized religion. To be good and worthy and deserving, you can have nothing to do with, you know, anything queer. Homosexuality, trans, LGBTQIA, not on the table. And if you love someone or you accept someone who is queer, then you are bad. Right. And when I realized, I've never rejected my children, but in order to be seen as good, worthy, and deserving, when you hop on that assimilation train and you think it's leading to the land of milk and honey and all the ways that you change yourself, shrink yourself, constantly be shapeshifting.

all the relationships, all the, all the, all the, all the times where you saw something and said nothing, all the times you turned the other way when, when shit was popping off, all the times where you didn't say the, the necessary thing to save, to save yourself, to get yourself this much closer to whatever it is that you think is at the end of that, that, that, that, that, that train line, uh, that assimilation takes you on. And I've gladly hopped on. I bought two seats. I thought I was in first class. And then you realize you run into, the only thing at the end of that,

at the end of those tracks, they'll try to add stops, right? Oh, no, no. I told, I know I told you that that was the stop to all the, you know, the American dream, but you got a few more stops.

And you're like, oh, I'll get back on. I'll buy a few more tickets. I'll buy tickets for my family. As long as everybody stays on this assimilation train. And then you went to a brick wall and that's called death. And you realize you've lived your whole life. being something to people that would not spit in your direction if you were on fire.

And you've denied what's right to sign up for what's wrong. And I just realizing, making that realization, understanding that I know a lot of parents probably think that what they're doing is from love, a loving place, a godly place. and I had to do this role to be a mirror and to have these conversations. And, you know, I took the role for one parent in particular, but hearing from so many already, just who've seen it on the film festival circuit,

the people who saw it over the weekend, and parents who are already like, and these are quote unquote good parents, I see where I'm effing up. and I know better. I know I can do better. I just never saw myself as a villain in my own child's story. I saw myself hero and loving your children completely for who they are.

That's heroic. You say you took the role for one parent in particular. Who, what parent? Who is that? You know, the parent who, you know, there's a parent in particular who has, I'm assuming we're talking about Zaya's mom. Of loving, of loving our child. And that doesn't center her needs and her identity.

And I think there's, I guess, parents were afraid. We're very afraid. And again, we think we are being loving, thinking we're protecting them by stripping. them of their identity. And with Zaya, she, again, talking about that birth certificate. It's about a birth certificate. You know, as she was like, this piece of paper.

That piece of paper for some people, that is confirmation of their identity. Her name, you know, her gender, her pronouns. That, for my child, is, part of the package of who she is and to deny or to try to attempt to delay any piece of that. None of that is physical. It's piece of paper. It's paperwork.

But it's paperwork that is incredibly important because it confirms who she is. And she's been very clear about this. And for everyone who's actually been around her, it's very clear. And anything else feels very misguided. So whether it's that parent or all the other parents I've come across who literally say, I just don't know how to love them, you just do. You do. And you have to de-center fear from your parents. And we're not talking about fear of a school shooter. We're not talking about fear of fear of whatever kind of different abusive situations all exists. We're talking about you're afraid of what is because she is who she is and your fear will not change that.

So this movie's written and directed by Elegance Braden who lived this story. I'm wondering how being around someone who went through everything the elegance went through

and came out on the other side of it, strong, confident, creative, I wonder how that affects you and how and what that made you think about Zaya's future and about what this, this moment of tumult that's going on right now because it seems like this is the most consequential in ways, the most consequential preteen or teenager, uh, almost in the culture. Everybody has an opinion.

And sometimes just like as a dude, I look at that and I'm wondering, Yo, man, how hard must that be on just like a little person or like a, you know what I mean? Like a little human being. But such strength is on the other side of this. I'm wondering if that gave you any hope, if you were reassured by that, if that was comforting in any way. I think when I see Zaya's peace and how free she is, that gives me a lot of, that gives me the wings to keep going, right? to fight not only for her piece, but kids old and young just like her, right? All they want is to be loved and accepted and respected to be thought of as worthy of everything everybody else is.

Same, just the same. And when I watch elegance, to go back a little bit, we got greenlit on Valentine's Day 2020. Oh, wow. His mom died on. February 18, 2020. And part of the reason he wanted me to play her specifically was that if she heard that I was playing her, she would get in touch with him.

And they had been estranged for 18 years. Man. And he was like, I know my mother asked with you. I know like all her friends, like they respect you. you, they, you know, they, they, they followed your career. And if it was you playing her, she would go see the movie. She would reach out to me. And when she died, you just realize time is not guaranteed.

Yeah. And tomorrow isn't promised. So love your kids today. So you don't miss out on the greatest gift you've ever given the world. knowing them truly who they are. Get to know them, not who you want them to be or where your fear takes you.

Know your children. And also, there's a lot of opinions and people just don't understand how literally anything works. And if you understand that nothing physical can happen until they're adults,

you're losing your shit. You're making horrendous jokes and adults who've made this are hearing you and so are the people that murder them. And they, black and brown trans women are murdered way more than any of them. They are the most hunted and marginalized of the marginalized. So you may call it humor, entertainment, chuckles, just a joke, who's really getting harmed, but when it's the same combination

of words being used to justify their murders, I don't know where the humor is for some. So, I'm going to ask you something then. I just want to be... I'm sorry. I didn't mean the interrupt. When you see

elegance has run out of time and he's just left with an internally broken heart, I don't don't think any parent wants that for their child.

But it's not about what you want. It's about who they are today. Right. And to love them fully, completely, unapologetically today. Stan Tinto's down behind your kids today. Right? This is identity. This isn't like, like most of our issues with Zai have nothing to do with her identity,

have literally zero. She takes food up into her room and doesn't bring it down. That is like the most consistent argument that we have. She's a 4.0 student through all of this crap. Right. Been a 4.0 student. Like she's well liked, well loved. Like everyone who knows her loves her for exactly how she is.

And it's funny because it's the people who don't know her, who spend no time with her, who have the most to say and who offer the most resistance. But perhaps start with time with her and see if you still feel that way. I want to ask you this and I want to ask the question directly because I want to hear from somebody who is in who's living this experience with trying to keep a child safe. So I want to ask this question directly. When you were talking about humor and jokes and things that people say, obviously there are several different forums where that exists. obviously there's the shade room, there's the internet as a huge sort of amorphous thing.

But then there are specific people who come to mind when you think about that. And one of them is obviously Dave Chappelle. And so I'd ask you, do you think comedy like Chappelle's in any way makes your daughter less safe? I think dangerous rhetoric, no matter how you couch it, Whether you say, whether you call it comedy, whether you call it the news, whether you call it, like, however you couch it. The words add up the same, right? When you see the dude that just walked into a club and murdered five people, the things he found funny are not wildly different, right? Right.

The people that he respected didn't have a wildly different take. And it sucks because these are my friends. These are people I've known for 20 plus years. Yeah. And it's hard. And luckily, I have direct lines to all these people. So anything I would ever say, I would just say to them. Say to them.

Yeah. I don't get you. Signal in any other form. But there's so many people that followed suit. So I can't even just look at Dave. There's many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many days. I'm just watching a comedy special and I'm like, oh shit. Wow.

Did you just name check my kid? And what the hell? You've heard during comedy specials, your kid by name. My child's name. And not from Dave Chappelle. So, yeah, yeah, he is. That was like, whoa, a comedy special I was looking forward to.

That was funny until I was, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because I, none of these people are living it. And if it's your child and what's interesting, and there are comedians. I know with queer children. And I'm like, you know your kids are listening to this and they don't find it funny. And I don't know. Until you are in the trenches every day and you start listening and you see the threats

and you see the same word combinations that are in these jokes, right? you know, it's like, you know, folks who obviously are against comedians being attacked, right, for telling jokes, right? But there's some people who thought that shit was so funny. So should we allow harm to be, it's cool to harm people as long as someone thinks it's entertaining? Is there a word? Or there is there only certain segments of the population that we don't really recognize the harm caused? Is there a way to have humor? Because in a lot of ways, people would say that comedy is pointing out different things about different groups and making fun of stereotypes and things like that.

Is there a way to have humor to make jokes about the- Exactly. Zion makes all kinds of jokes. And the funniest comedy comes from trans comedians, comes from LGBTQIA comedians. But they don't get platform. They don't get big specials. So they're out there. They absolutely exist.

I have seen them. I have howled, cried, you know, like laugh so hard I cried. But you have to have the range, you know, as we talk about racial humor, right? You have to have the range to tell a good black joke and not be black. But if you don't have the range, child, stop. Stop. You know what I mean? Like when people are winning Emmys for Blackface and we're, and we'll get over it.

It's just a joke. Do you understand the history of Blackface? understand the harm of black do you but ma'am sir you do not have the range to tell any of these jokes because you do not have the lived experience you don't even have the lived experience

as a parent of you know I don't know I do think there I think all kinds of things that other folks think are perhaps a little inappropriate are wildly funny so there is a way to joke about you know things that are

I don't know, controversial to some. But you lack the range and whole ass communities are like, don't have it. Still, nope, nope, still don't have it. Nope, still haven't hit it. Then perhaps shift. The worst of comedy is to not be funny. And there's so many other ways to

be funny with surrounding identity. But it's usually the people with the sharpest, most funny takes are people in the community. Just like, who tells black jokes better than black people? I mean, can you name one? No.

Not one that didn't really piss me off. You know what I mean? You feel? Sometimes people made the joke and they can joke around it and it's funny, but if it's like right at the heart of some shit, normally I'm like, I'm not fucking with that. You know what I mean? It's normally bothers me a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah. Same. So if you think LGBTQIA folks, same. They're like, you lack the range. You tried it. Not funny. Let's move on. Like, you know, there's, you can be fucking funny without it.

Yeah. You know, or, or I don't know, higher, I don't know, center folks in the community to tell those jokes, to get those jokes off. All right. The movie is the inspection written directed by elegant. Bratton. Y'all Gabby on her Oscar shit. She is. Like she, like I saw Miss Gabriel Union.

Like it, the movie seems so powerful. I can't wait for everybody to see it. I was going to tell you, I was going to pitch you my version of the East Compton Clovers television show. Oh, it's where it's, where it's Bring It On meets the Wire. You know what I mean? It's like you're, you're coming back to fix the school, okay?

Am I Joe Clark in this? You're not Joe Clark. It's a little bit, you're kind of Joe Clark. I'm not going to lie. You're giving me fear on the east side. You're giving me, you know, Sam's? Do you smoke crack? Do you smoke crack?

Do it expeditiously. But what I'm saying is, is in this particular, it's like, it's gritty. It's gritty. I mean, the cheerleaders are performing, but you're also trying to keep them off that shit. You know what I mean? So, right there. You, you come back after you've gone.

You've become an international star after this. You come back. It's the whole thing. Whatever. I was going to pitch you on it. We ran out of time. This has been a fantastic interview. Thank you.

The movie is powerful. I hope everybody sees it. I hope that within our community and culture that we can appreciate performances like this, people being brave like this and taking chances like this and telling their stories like this and standing behind them. And also, I hope for serenity and peace for your family and everything that you guys are trying to do. I think you guys are an example of how you love, accept, and not just accept, because that's like the base. That's like the bar is on the floor. Not even accept of how you

celebrate and empower, which is what needs to be done. And I've never met you before, but I'm very proud of all you guys. So thank you for joining us on on higher learning today. Gabrielle Union, the movie is the inspections. It's coming out. When? It came out last weekend over in LA, New York. I'll start on the 18th, but check it out. All right, check it out. Thank you, Gabrielle. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Okay. What did you think about Gabrielle Union? Enjoyed it. I'm mad I missed it. The only thing I feel is jealousy. Show up to your job. I'm upset that I couldn't be a part of it. I apologize to Gabrielle Union. I wanted to be part of that interview, but you held it down.

It was a great interview. No, no one's going to like it. as I knew she would be, which is why no one's going to like it, please. They're going to love it. You'll love it. Y'all did your thing. Kelly Rowland, the AMAs.

Did you watch the AMAs? Did you not? I don't like award shows. Why? Too long? I don't, I don't, when I was a kid, award shows, I was getting so old. Award shows used to be dope.

Well, you were younger. It was so cool. Everybody was getting an award. And it was like everybody danced around and all. It was cool people. people to see. And now I was like,

there used to be like these huge moments at award shows. Michael Jackson, Lisa Marie, Presley, Diana Ross, Lil Kemp's Titty.

All of these people used to come together and make like amazing. You know what I mean? It used to be great. I blame social media and I just feel like it takes,

because you'd gather around the television to watch this award show. You know, everything was right there. Now, I don't know, it just takes away from it

or you can watch clips on social. You don't have to watch the whole thing and people don't show up anymore. That's the thing too. The big, big stars, it's rare that you see them show up. And if they do, maybe it's just to accept the award and then they're out. Speaking of showing up, somebody who did not show up, it's Chris Brown. Yeah, that's all.

Kelly Rowland had something to say to people that were maybe booing when Chris Brown won the award for best favorite R&B male artist. Donnie, play the audio. American Music Award goes to Brown. He's not here tonight, so I'm accepting this award on his behalf.

Excuse me, chill out. But I want to tell Chris, thank you so much for making great R&B music. And I want to tell him, thank you for being an incredible performer. I'll take this award, bring it to you. I love you. Congratulations. And congratulations to all the nominees in this category.

Okay. So, Chris Brown, there's been an ongoing situation with Chris Brown. Sure. And the ongoing situation is that Chris Brown claims that he was, I don't feel like it was a claim. Chris Brown has said that he was supposed to perform at the AMAs. He was going to do a Michael Jackson tribute. And now we know that Sierra was supposed to perform with him. Oh, I didn't know that part.

Okay, now come on. She put some footage up of her dancing around. of them rehearsing together, of her rehearsing, them rehearsing together. It's supposed to be Chris Brown, along with Sierra, they're going to do a Michael Jackson tribute, and there are some reports that the people over at the AMAs decided they didn't want to go through with this

because of Chris Brown's history and of Michael Jackson's history. Okay. But like, okay, go ahead. What do you think about, the decision to cancel a Chris Brown performance

from the AMA Well I guess my thing is why did they wait so late right? You obviously went through the whole vetting

process of deciding you were going to do this tribute it was the 40th anniversary of thriller you decided you won a Chris

Brown you decided Sierra was going to be a part of it they obviously probably put together the pieces

the songs that they were going to do from that album, if not from others. They were already in the process of practicing, and then all of a sudden you pull it. My thing is, how did it get this far? You've known Chris Brown's history. You know why Michael Jackson is controversy, controversial.

So I don't understand how it got this far. That's my thing. And if you were going to, once you made the decision to do the tribute, I'm sorry, I think it should have just, it should have just happened. It's not like Michael wasn't performing. It was honoring the album. Yeah. And I guess I'm a little shocked. And we've talked about this before about Chris Brown on the podcast.

And I have said what happened, what happened between him and Rihanna? She, you don't like the way I said Rihanna. On extra, they tell us to say Rihanna because that's what she says. For real? Mm-hmm. Okay. So everybody still says Rihanna, so I have to get in the habit of saying Rihanna. Okay.

Okay. So, we've talked about this before, and Rihanna and Chris Brown have made amends. And that's who the issue was between. So if Rihanna has forgiven him and moved on, I feel like I can as well. Right. And so I was a little, to me, I thought, I thought, I was shocked that there were booze. I know there's still on Twitter. people go back and forth

and it's split down the middle and maybe it's more of a thing on black Twitter so I guess that in AMAs does not black I was shocked that there were so many booze when he won the award Yeah

and I liked Kelly's response I liked Kelly's response too okay so I'm gonna lose some people right now but I'm gonna be straight up as straight up as I can these motherfuckers got to let Chris dance man

I'm sorry they got to let Chris dance And this is something I've been on for a while And let me tell you why. Of all the things, I don't want to get into a situation where I'm what abouting things to where I am in some way

minimizing the severity of things that have happened in the past. I don't want to do that. That's not what I'm doing. What I'm telling you is that there is not, this is one of the things that is clearly a double standard. when you talk about the way this is the response to guys like Chris Brown

or situations like his as they exist for black men. It's clearly a different standard. I give me an example of something. When I was at TMZ, whenever Chris Brown's name came up, it was time to shit on Chris Brown for everyone. And it ended up being a situation to where I was like, it's just too convenient because I've seen the way other celebrities in similar situations are treated.

And I'm not trying to excuse bad behavior. I'm not trying to excuse toxic behavior. Chris Brown is somebody who's had a lot of issues in the past. He's had a lot of issues with substance abuse. He's had a lot of issues, period, right? So I'm not trying to excuse any of that. But what I'm saying is, like, we're talking about who makes his decision to be able to perform at an award show.

And I think some of what you're hearing is. is black people who are starting to understand that they don't have any say in the grace, forgiveness, or evolution of people that they might like. Not all black people, because there's not like there's any sort of, any sort of consensus on this.

But I think you're seeing people that say, okay, well, like, what are the criteria? Like, what's the thing? I think what we're, starting to realize over in an overall sort of grand way is that we just don't have very much power. And if you don't have power, you're not really free. That's very true. If you, in order to have freedom, you have to be powerful.

You have to have some sort of power. Power of self-governance, power to make other people do what it is that you want to do. If not, then you're not really free, right? So the reason why the American citizen has always been seen as powerful to other places around the world is because we have a tremendous amount of power to be able to affect leadership in our country. We have a tremendous amount of power to be able to affect capitalism in our country. Or so we thought. We thought all of these things were true. We ended up finding out that it was corporate America that controlled all of that shit anyway.

But we don't really have a, as black people, we don't have a ton of power of things just happened to us. It takes me back to my story about TMZ. So I'd be a TMZ. Chris's name will come up And obviously they didn't like Chris Straight up. They didn't like Chris. That was a thing.

They didn't like Chris. But they really like Tommy Lee from Molly Crew. Like whenever Tommy Lee would come up, whatever hijinks or shit that Tommy Lee would get into, it'd be like, oh, fuck, I love the crew. You talk about Tommy Lee.

Tommy Lee's situation will come on. They talk about how big Tommy Lee's dick was in the sex tape. Harvey was talking about, oh, he drove a boat with his penis and all of that stuff. Just the jokes that they make when they don't see anybody as being threatening. And it got to a point to whatever they would bring him up, I would always talk shit because he spent six months in jail for being up Pamela Anderson. Right. After that, he beat up a photographer, had a swastika tattooed on him, and the photographer was like, yo, maybe there's some reason.

He beat up a photographer, a Jewish photographer, right? Like, got in a fight with Chris Rock over Pamela Anderson and the thing. He has had a consistently violent past, a consistently violent life, right? But as we looked at, and this is a guy that, like, had network television shows. It was a show where he was going back to Nebraska to try to make. That should not remember that. You know, to try to make the, the drumline and the thing. Like somebody that, and there are more examples of this, but this was somebody that had consistently shown that, like, he kind of didn't get.

give a fuck, right? Because I think what you would see when people have a con, when people have conversations about Chris Brown, they would say there was Rihanna, and then there was this and then there was this and there was that. And I'm not saying that those things aren't true. But what I'm just saying is that like the, there was a decision, I guess a cultural decision that was made to large swaths of white America, at least what was represented at TMZ, to sort of deal with whatever Tommy Lee had going on.

but when it was time for Mawley Crew, when it's time for these other things to not view him as the violent guy that he's been, and he showed that he was over and over and over again, and let him do his thing. And they get to make those decisions, right? And then we just go, okay, cool. Right.

And then something happens with Chris Brown, who clearly has some issues throughout his past. And we just got to like... It's like you had one chance. It's like we've got to just kind of like take it. It's like a weird thing to where you don't want to be, it's difficult to moralize the situation because the things that happen are wrong. But at the same time, there's clearly a different set of rules that govern this stuff. There's clearly a different set of rules that make this what it is.

And there are going to be a lot of people who do not like what I'm saying about this. But I wanted to see Chris Brown's performance. Like, I'm going to be honest with you. Like, I did too. I could go on and on and on from having worked where I worked about the people. People were talking about the fact that Chris Brown won the award, that Chris Brown won the award, why they awarded Chris Brown. You, they gave Roman Polanski the best director award while he was on the run from U.S. authorities. I'm not talking about back in fucking 62 either.

I'm talking about like 2002. They gave him the award for Best Director while he was a fugitive from justice for raping a young girl. Like, there is no moral high ground for the AMAs or Hollywood or any people to judge Chris Brown. You can go as recent, and I don't care which side, who you believe or not, you can look at Johnny Depp. You can look at that situation right there. however was decided at a court whether you believe or not some things went down

something happened there's some thing he was in the moon the moon man right after at the MTV Awards he's been on like people the way people side with him and they support him and they uplift him

I know that's not music but I'm just saying there seems to be this more forgiving nature while you were talking I was trying to look up and find other people Axel Rose Ozzy Osbourne I think John Lennon

Like there's stuff. There's a lot of... Like, these guys, like, Emil Hirsch, young actor, walked into this restaurant in Sundance and just for no reason beat the shit out of a female executive. Look, it wasn't the end of his career. Look, I'm not trying to... I'm not excusing violence against women.

But what I'm saying is that there's this line to where it's like he's so much more dangerous are so much more threatening. If the people don't want to have them on their stage, whatever. But I need an explanation as to what the criteria are. Because they don't have to, but I wonder if they think that we're stupid. Like, we know the people that are like, we know what's going on. And I am now, like, firmly situated.

and let Chris dance and what, like, what I am. Has he not done anything on any award show since? He says that he's getting blackball from the award shows. Now, they don't have to let Chris Brown on an award show. Here's the thing. You do something like what he did. People never have to forgive you. I understand that.

My point is that they do forgive. That's my point. My point is, I'm not saying that they have to forgive. I'm not saying, but my point is that they do. Right. They do forgive. They forgive all the time.

Right. They do forgive. But there's just something about this guy that it seems to me that they want, that they want to treat him differently than some of these other people. And I think it's fucking white. I really do.

That's what it is. They're going to be so mad on. read it? No. Yes, they will. I had people that were reaching out to me about this. Before you had even said anything. Man, make sure you explain

like why it's so dangerous, why people should be making any space for Chris Brown. It's like, whatever, man. I'm letting you guys know, they're also, what we're seeing, Sierra was there, Kelly Rowland was there. You're seeing prominent black women who aren't feeling quite the same as a lot people are about this. And for me personally, I looked at this and I'm like, just let, just let them dance. It's been so much time.

It's been, it's like, it's just, it's just like, it's. Well, okay. If I, it's like, fuck. It's like, I'm not, I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to trip about this, but it's just like, for real. Like, I'm not stupid. Like, okay. Well, here's my.

This is why I get confused on Chris Brown because I, again, when I started talking, everything you're saying is right and I'm not taken away from it. And I think that that's an argument to be made, not just outside of music, but with everything. There just seems to be a double standard excuses made, a lot more understanding and sympathy given to one side versus the other. Chris Brown and Rihanna attack, reattacked her, happened in 2009. He's performed at the Billboard Awards, and I think the Grammy's after that. I'm sure he has performed at other awards. So here's my thing.

As recently as like three years after that incident happened. So now we're 13 years removed from that, and he can't do a tribute, but three years after that attack, he could take the, that's what doesn't make sense to me. So I really thought as a public, people had moved past it. Why can he take the award show three years after the attack, but he can't take it 13 years? How can you hold that against him when he has stepped on Billboard and I believe the Grammys?

I can't find Grammys, but I'm looking at Billboard. So help me, why are we going backwards on Chris? Did something else happen and I missed it? Look, he hasn't been a fucking Boy Scout. Chris has had some issues. When I'm saying Boy Scout, I mean, there have been, there were, some issues with Karucci. There were some things, like, I'm not saying, but what I'm saying is this.

I'm saying, I'm getting to a point in my age where... Yes, Grammys. Like, I'm getting to the point at my age where I'm starting to look at stuff and just go, okay, I'm just not going, I'm just getting sick of taking L after L after L. and I know people are going to, like, why is it an L for you that Chris Brown didn't get to perform at the thing? I'm just, like, it's because I know how it goes. but I know how it goes

I know how it goes man they can't they love a reclamation project but explain to me Mel Gibson oh excuse me Mel Gibson all the niggas and all this stuff in the world Academy Award nomination

but it explained to me how he did take that he has performed on some of the biggest stages but now it's an issue help me understand that I don't know you tell me you know they tell you how to say different people's names and shit

So I don't understand how you can use that when he has taken the stage. And this wasn't even a performance of his own music. I mean, but he was good enough to get the award but not good enough to perform. So help it. That makes sense as well.

If he can get the favorite award for the music work that he's doing but he can't take the stage, is it Chris or is it Michael for that? They're going to have Chris perform something else. It sounds like it was a Michael issue on that. As the more I talk it out, I think they had an issue with Michael,

and that's why he didn't do the performance. The booing, maybe they're booing AMAs because Kristen gets a performance. Like, it might be a whole different thing, but as I'm talking it out, I think the booze might have been like because Chris should have been there, and I think he didn't take the stage

because it was Michael, because it doesn't make sense if he's done it before. The girl from fam, you got a degree. Good for her. I'm mad it took this long. Should it take that long, man. That's what I'm talking about.

You're out there and do your thing. She earned it. She earned her degree because she had a cakes out. Who cares? She had a cakes out. Yeah. So we have a lot of potential, is this fucked up, things that we should talk about. Take your pick.

Yeah, Robert Griffiths, the third, last, and his wife video of him eating chicken on live TV. Doesn't that sound like a not real headline? NFL quarterback, Robert Griffiths, the third, laughs at his wife. wife's video of him eating chicken on live TV. I think we just overthink. He's, he's, he's, it's easy to poke fun at RG3. But shouldn't a nigga like that know that like, this is the same dude who was like hyping his girl up at because she had a butt.

Cakes. Yeah. Like it's just, he's just easy. Oh, oh. To talk about. I know what I want to talk about. We're going to do two of these. And we have to talk about, unfortunately, we have to talk about a very.

sad moment in Mount Lion history. I didn't even see the Mount Lion was added to the rundown Donning. It wasn't. Marcia Pippin and Marcus Jordan are definitely

fucking penis, vagina, intercourse. Stop, man, come on. Labia, foreskin, balls. okay clitoris of the Jordan and the Pippin family coming together this is like I'm just letting you know this is this is the closest the family's been since Scotty and Michael were doing that thing on the court they're definitely fucking loss of Pippin is I think 48 I think Marcus is what I think he's or he's like in his 30s 30s right or 32. Okay.

Rachel, when we had this conversation before. Yeah. I said how fucking disgusting it is. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

That Larson Pippin is having sex that's S-E-C-K-S with someone that she probably knew as a kid. You fell in sleep.

You said that they weren't having sex. I did. They, obviously are having sex. I need you to tell me right now. Okay. Why is it obvious?

So they're not fucking. It seems more likely than not now. They were kissing in public. Oh, I didn't know that. They were kissing in public before this. Sorry, fan, I'm not following the Larsa Pippin, Marcus Jordan journey. How about you do your job? In the way that you are.

Forgive me. But I didn't know about the kissing. So Larson Pipp is a weirdo. Yes or no? because she's dating a younger man? See what the fuck I'm talking about? No, she's not a weirdo. It's not because she's dating a younger man.

Because she knew him when he was a kid? It doesn't matter. He's in his 30s now. Who cares? Maybe if she got him right when he crossed the threshold between minor and adult, I'd have something to say. No.

He's 30-something. This is why there's animus between the sexes sometimes. I'll tell you why. Between us. Because if this were Scotty Pippin and he was having sex, excuse me, with Michael Jordan's daughter, first of all, that would be so fucking nuts if that were the case. And it would be looked at as so weird if the gender roles were reversed here. Is she like, she, you mean to tell us, she claims that she didn't know him. when he was a kid.

I don't care if she did or if she didn't. So you made to tell me that you can fuck on somebody that you knew when they were eight years old, the son of your husband's one of your husband's friends. She clearly doesn't still see him as an eight-year-old. I know she doesn't. He's not eight years old anymore, but you don't think that that's kind of weird? I think it's weird because of the history between Scotty and Michael more than the fact that she knew him as a child.

I want Larson Pippin on this podcast. I am not playing bedroom police. Larson Pippin is free. You are. No, I'm not. He is guys. I'm not. Larson Pippin is free to have sex with anyone that she wants.

Larson Pippin is free to have sex with anyone that she wants. But I will say this. This shit is weird. It's weird. You act like she was babysitting, you know, like that was her godson. And that's not what that was. Just because he might have been sitting too. rose behind her at the game

might have had the box next to her at a game. Well, he didn't have the box next to her. Now he had the box that she's... Period. Yeah, he didn't have the box. He didn't have the box next to her. You know what I'm saying?

Now he didn't have... I don't to answer the question of the segment, I don't think it's fucked up. Donnie. It's fucked up. It's weird. Thank you. What the fuck are we doing? I don't think so. Bias.

But, Donnie, is it... The misogy on this podcast is out of control. Donnie, is it weird because of the Scotty Pipp and Michael Jordan of it? Or is it weird because she knew him as a child? It's the child aspect of it. I don't see it, guys. I don't. If the roles are reversed, I feel like it would be a lot easier to see how creepy it is.

It's creepy. It would be creepy if it was, like I said, the minor to adult, as if she was waiting for him to become of age. How do you know she wasn't? But too many, like a decade. So what? Plus past. She was fucking future. And she was dating other people with other people, was married at the time, and then

circled back around. He gets like, it's sad. How long is, how long has Larson Pippin been divorced from Scotty Pippin? It doesn't matter. She's been talking to other people. How long has Larson Pippin? None of this matters to me. Okay.

Can I just look at Larson Pippin, Scottie Pippin? They've been separated a while before they were divorced. Pippin. It's been since January. Since January, they've been divorced. And the first dude she fucked after is Michael Jordan's son. That's not the first person? By the way, if you're Scottie Pippin.

You just said future. Yo, if you're Scottie Pippin, you got to square up with the whole Jordan family now. You stole my legacy and my bitch. Like you, like you, Skyty Pippin and Michael Jordan have been going back and forth. Sky Pippin is one of the greatest players of all time. just let you guys know something. Sky Pippin is one of the most versatile players of all time. He might be the single greatest wing defender of all time.

He was a do-everything Swiss Army Knight of basketball genius. For anybody out there that doesn't think that Scottie Pippen was an integral part of Six Bulls championships, you're off that dust. Scottie Pippen was a motherfucking hoss. The man deserving of the dream team spot. deserving of the 50 greatest spot, one of the single greatest basketball players to ever exist. Having said that, the Jordan family is ruining him.

Michael Jordan, do a whole last dance documentary, shit on Scottie Pippin. Knowing that people think things about Scotty Pippin, shit on Scotty Pippin. Scott Pippin, keep going back of Jordan, keep going back of Jordan. If you ask me,

Jordan was like, he can't do it, he's married, got him a white woman, he can't go with Scotty. He probably lit a cigar, brought out that little iPad that he was looking at in the last dance and texting his son from it and was like, you know what we got to do? I know you love that.

We got to add another ring. We got to get another championship. You got to get another championship. He's just, this is the Jordan family's seventh championship, the Larsa Pippin Trophy. And I'm sorry she played into it. This is something that's happened. There's something that happened purposely between Michael and Scott.

The PIPA stand, but I do not like the way we're talking about her. I don't like the way we're talking about her. Like she's some type of conquest. I just don't like it. Everybody's a conquest. This woman has made a decision to date this younger man. And that's that. Everybody's a conquest.

She's a conquest for him. He's a conquest for her. Everyone is a conquest. If you're sitting around somebody right now and you had sex, they conquests you, you conquests you, you conquests him. Mutual conquest is what we're looking for. I'm telling you this right here. This ain't right.

What's the next thing? Because I knew it was going to be a whole thing when I saw this on the run down. Marcus Stokes is a four-star quarterback who's committed to the University of Georgia. And he posted some video on his social media. This is the video. Wait, did he say it that many times or did you just give us that part? No, it's real quick. It's just that part twice.

Yes. Yeah. So he's saying the N-word like crazy. He posted it. And Florida pulled his scholarship. Florida of the School of Brian. Yeah, Brian's the one who sent me this story. Yeah, Florida's the School of Brian.

He pulled his scholarship. He says, I was in my car. This is the rap music, rapping along to the words and posted a video of it on social media. I deeply apologize for the words in the song I chose to say. It was hurtful and offensive. to many people. I regret that. Florida's pulled the scholarship.

Question is, are they fucked up for pulling the scholarship? Is there more to the story? Not really. Like, did they try to have a conversation with him? And he was like, I said it, what? I like the song. I'm a fan of it. That was an aggressive way he was singing just now. It just sounded out of seat.

Was there a visual to that, Donnie? Yes. Let me look, before I give my... You got to see it. Yeah, before I give my answer, I'd like to look at, his name is Marcus. Never met a white man named Marcus. Yeah, I had to think, I thought it was a typo. Okay, let me look at the video.

Okay. Here's my question. Does he have other schools that have given him an offer? He's a four-star. He's going to play somewhere. Y'all might get on to me for this, but I'm okay with it. I'm okay with the two. I have no issue with it.

Let me tell you, I have no issue with it. Y'all are probably going to say something. Why? Not you. Oh. I just, the Redditors are going to say, I feel like they're going to say.

I'm sorry. I just, first of all, it looks like he was on Snapchat. So it was something he thought he was going to do for 24 hours. He seemed very confident. It was a hard nigger to me. If you're going to be bold enough to put that out there, and sing the song in that way,

in 2022, you need to be fully aware of what comes on the other side of your nigger. So I'm okay with it. I don't give a fuck what happens, to be honest with you. We got to make examples out of these motherfuckers. We didn't told y'all over and over and over again. Motherfuckers ain't going for that shit. I don't have a time you times got to tell y'all.

We told y'all over and over again that we ain't going for that shit. I don't give a fuck I couldn't care less all right whatever like I hope the best for everyone so I hope the best for him

but what I'm telling you right now is how fucking dumb do you have to be I wouldn't want to ask my quarterback to be honest with you because what type of decision making do you have to have in your fucking mind to where you're going to post something like that

you can't make a high low read I can't trust you I'm serious I can't trust you to make a high, low read if you're going to post something like that knowingly. Porter doesn't carry you away because they got Jalen Rashada coming in. So they trust if they needed that quarterback,

that boy would be going to Gainesville. Yeah, like you said, he's four-star. He'll be fine. But I tried. Okay, I took a beat because I tried to be a little sympathetic. And I thought for a second, should the band have another? chance. Right. But no. I'm fine. Like that, I'm glad I saw the video, Donnie. Thank you.

Donnie, I need it. I need my sound. Okay. So P-22. He's back? Yeah, it's not great. Did we just lose 21? I don't want to talk about the deaths of Mount Lion. P-22 killed a Chihuahua that was walking on a leash in the Hollywood Hills. He came out? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Did they catch him?

Did they catch who? 22. They have a, like, a, like a collar on P-22. They know a P-22 is all the time. Okay. They know where P-22 is. So here's what I'm going to say. Van, the person was in their neighborhood, walking their dog.

On leash, I might add. Okay. Here's what I want to say. Okay. These are some of the, these are some of the, these are, these are some of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the responses here. The comments. We still love him. We have overdeveloped and deforesting his land. And we have been irresponsible with water management. He has fewer options for food and water. It's sad for, it's sad for the Chihuahua, but we can't blame Pee Kitty. And he didn't attack the dog walker. everybody's clapping to this. This other person is, I want to hear her side. Well, guys, it's hungry. What do you think is going to happen?

Mountain Lions is doing mountain lion things. That's sad. That's how hungry it is. Based on everything I know about Chihuahuas, P-22 was provoked. Like, it's so sad and unfair for a wild animal whose habitat has been invaded. We have to do better as humans. Based on everything I know about Chihuahuahuas, P-22 was provoked. I take a fit.

I have a part of a dog. that's part Chihuahua. Right. If P whatever came out and attacked my sweet baby, it's going down. What the fuck are you going to do to P22? Attack? Okay, Rachel, please don't attack P22. If you like, Michael, Rachel, please.

I would be devastated. Okay, so this is my thing. I have to be honest about this. I thought about this. I thought about my connection to Bowes. Wosley, Woselie to wonder pup of dogs. I thought about there's a person somewhere right now who lost their pup and how it would feel right now. A member of their family.

A member of their family if I lost my pup. This is definitely, definitely incredibly sad, bad Mountain Lion, bad. I will say this, though. I'll be honest with you. Seriously, this is why real talks have to be had about. the impact that we are having on wild species and their habitat. Because what happens is the mountain lion, excuse me, take out the mountain lion doesn't know. It just sees an animal.

It's hungry. Its habitat has been shrink. Really, it wasn't P-22 that killed that Chihuahua. It was the entire human race that killed that Chihuahua. Okay. It was the people of California that killed that Chihuahua. 22. What do we're going to do about it?

If you contract him. What, you want to kill P22 now? He killed. What? He killed. Are you all right now advocating for the death of P22? I want to be clear about this. I am.

What? Rachel. Okay. If that happened. Donnie, book them out. Talk to Allison. Book somebody that knows about my line. If that happened to Brownie Nekyll.

Uh-huh. I would be calling. for the death of P-22. When you first came out here, I told you, stay out of the mountains. I said, stay out of the mountains. They were in their neighborhood. God damn it, that's what a Mount Lion lives.

Excuse me, the. What's up with this? The, that's what Mount Lion lives. I'm telling you right now, P-22, bad Mountain Lion, but it's an animal. It's an animal. It's an animal.

I'm reading here that this isn't the first time P-22 has killed. A monster. I'm sure it's not. The first time it was a koala in the L.A. Zoo. I heard about that. Yeah, I heard about that. So, wait, it got into the zoo?

Yeah, and it got into the koala. Do you know where the fucking L.A. Zoo is? No, actually. Oh, yeah. It's, yeah. It's in Griffith Park. Yeah. In P.22's house.

So, wait, P.22 lives at Griffith Park. I will not be walking that trail anymore. P.20. It's in the L.A. Zoo was very nice. But this was in the Hollywood Hills. So he was outside of his home. No, man.

You know what the Hollywood Hills? This is lost. You know what he got a big Roman area. Old Hollywood Hills. Nah, man. All that's the Hollywood Hills. You got to cross the freeway to get to the Hollywood Hills from Grisiff Park. I'm telling you right now.

Out of his element. I'm calling for it. I love P-22. And by the way, there's some. There's some of these, there's some, I'm not even going to read some of the comments. You've read and you've done enough. Because some of the comments, uh,

no, no, don't you're looking, don't. I understand. Yeah. See, this is a good comment right here.

Shout out to good witch farm. I understand and respect why this still plays. Still, the owner who loved that dog must have suffered greatly. As an animal lover,

I came to process the terror and pain prayers for all. I cannot imagine if that happened a little brownie knickale. I'm telling me, this is Los Angeles's fault

that this happened. I don't, this is sad. I'm sorry. Apologies for ending on such sad news. It's not sad news. This is nature. This is the way shit goes.

You are so insensitive. I'm not being insensitive. I'm telling you right now that I, my heart goes out to that I couldn't even imagine. But I'm telling you right now, this is a wake-up call to everyone. I'm being sick. I'm scared to walk my dog. Do you know what I walk brownie off-leash? You are brownie off-leash?

I'm not going to do that anymore. Well, I guess it doesn't matter when Pete 22's around. Look, I'm telling you right now, everyone start paying attention to your impact on the world. You know what I need you to pay attention to right now that's been bothering me the entire episode? Fuzz on my show. No, you're wearing a hoodie with the drawstring and it's only coming out of one of the holes in the drawstring. And it's bothering me. Pull it out.

Just pull the whole thing out. No. Just what you were on your way. Okay. Whoa. Okay. Grow up. Grow up.

Whoa. Great. Let's go. We've had a great podcast. What kind of podcast you think we're running here. Whoa. Take your thinking condoms off. But do not stop learning.

I am Van Lakey Jr. I'm Rachel. Lindsay. Bye. God. Stay safe. All right.