Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Generational Talent With Quincy Avery! Plus, Trump’s Health Rumors and Young Americans' High Standards. | Higher Learning | The Ringer

Episode Date: September 5, 2025

Rachel and Van start the show off with some “quick hitters,” including their theories on a study revealing that the number of Americans having sex has dropped to a record low. Then, they react to Trump’s address of his health rumors and the internet’s desire for his health to decline. Then, NFL quarterback whisperer Quincy Avery joins to discuss generational talent and his new movie, 'The Quincy Avery Effect.' 00:00 - Welcome! 08:04 - Americans are having less sex 19:43 - Trump addresses health rumors 42:18 - A leak reports ICE will be getting military assistance 57:53 - Is Tom Brady a generational talent? 1:06:27 - Brittany Renner’s video arguing about her son 1:25:36 - Drake and interviews with traditional hip-hop media 1:44:43 - Quincy Avery joins us! 2:05:20 - Thanks for watching! Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Quincy Avery Producers: Donnie Beacham and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? I learned is on. Zyvan Latham Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lansing. We're back. We were off and we gave you guys the Rokana interview. Lots of stuff happening right now.

People liked it. People liked the Rokana. We wished it was longer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll have the back for sure. Yeah. We'll definitely have Rokana back because I think that Rokana is going to be one of the names that people are going to be hearing in the next couple of years.

It's one of the rising voices in the party. The interview probably should have been longer, about, you know, you take what you can get. As we talk right now, RFK is testifying before Congress. And he's getting grilled. He's getting grilled by some people. And then by other people, they're like, oh, we love you so much. You get to die out of the food, whatever, whatever. A typical, a typical, how typical hearing goes. So partisan. So partisan. Yeah. All right. So we're going to talk Arch Manning later on, give you guys some college football. By the way, ring your tailgate is live. You guys can go watch that. Ring your tailgate's

Brand new college football show at the Ringer. Me, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier for watching. But we have Quincy Avery on the show. Let's talk about Arch Manning. Let's talk about this. We have to. Because we didn't get to talk Monday.

Because, and so you want. Y'all took the L. Let's just be real. I mean, we'll talk to Quincy later. But y'all took the L and Arch Manning look like shit. Which we were predicted. We were predicted to take the L. I think deep down anybody who follows the team, who follows, not even all in college football, but the top teams in college football.

I think that we hoped we would win, but the odds were against us. And the prediction was that we were going to lose as well. Close game, but we were going to lose. I will say, Archel is worse than I wanted them to. Yeah. It just, even if you were just looking at the box score and watching the stats, it was brutal. But if you watch the game, we were moving the ball, you know, running wise, got down to the one yard line, lost the ball there at one point.

I mean, it looked, we should have done better. And perhaps with a different quarterback if Quinn Ewers was there, because I know a lot of people, myself included, want to arch to be the starter last year. We probably would have won that game. With Quinn Ewers? I think so.

I absolutely think so. We definitely have been a better position to win it because the playbook would have been more open, so I would have done more things. You know, it's interesting. I think if you look at the box score, the box score actually doesn't, tell the tale of how bad arch was, right?

No, that's what I'm saying. Our offensive yards were more than theirs. We were moving the ball. But, and that's why I say running contributed a lot to that. Well, we were moving the ball. Yeah, because they... Oh, yeah, field position for sure. Right.

We had great field position a lot of, a lot of... When we were driving, moving the ball forward. But, yeah, it... This is disappointing. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, a lot of disappointments for you, sports-wise. The Cowboys are up to their old tricks again. Can we, we're talking college for ball.

About the Cowboys, though. What about them? Well, you know, fortunately for our podcast timing, we are recording before the game will be played tonight. So I don't have to talk about it. Michael Parsons. He's gone. He went to the Packers. That's crazy. It is crazy. And it's upsetting.

He went to the... I'm upset. I'm upset. They traded them to the Packers. I'm fully aware. Place for Packers. And I'm upset. Van. They got really.

of them. Let's talk about your team. Let's talk about your team. What's your team doing? 2010. How the Saints are going to be here? 2010 is the World Champions? 2010.

2010? Yeah. 15 years ago. That's 15 years ago. But I didn't say, but I'm not talking about the Cowboys like they won last year. I'm not talking about the Cowboys like that. I'm not acknowledging them as this fantastic team. You are.

You're talking about the New Orleans Saints like they won last year. No, no. I'm telling you that. What I'm telling you right now is that the Saints won the championship while I was in my 30s and the Cowboys won a championship when I was in high school. And it's just, I'm just saying, it is different. How many Super Bowls do the same time? They have one.

Okay. They have won. Shut up. If we do it history, if we do it history. In the modern era, this is the modern era since 2000. The Cowboys don't have anything in the modern era of a failure. That was, you know, it's okay. We'll save this for end of the season.

It's okay. But I'm not, I'm not taking up for the Cowboys. You are. I'm a Cowboys fan. I can't believe you Cowboys fans are everywhere. All around. There's a goddamn, I hate the Cowboys. I hate them.

I hate them. But why? Because it's bullshit. The Cowboys are the biggest bullshit franchise ever in sports. Everything is bullshit. Does you watch the documentary? No. I would never watch that.

It's so funny that people were like, Van, did you watch the Cowboys documentary? It's a great. It's shot very well. It actually is a really good documentary. The Dallas Cowboys, to me, are the Donald Trump of football. I'm not going to listen to it. They are. To me, the Cowboys are the Donald Trump of football.

The fact that the Cowboys are such a story is indicative of spectacular marketing, marketing, money, corporate bullshit, building this big, gaudy-ass stadium that you can't even punt the ball because the ball might fucking hit the,

all of this stuff, but it doesn't have anything to do with the actual fundamentals. They don't actually win. They don't actually do anything. It's all celebrity bullfid. You know what the Kardashians of football, the Trump of football, all of that. I would only agree with you.

And that's why I say you should watch the documentary. But because you see how it all came about. But I would only agree with you if the Cowboys never had a dynasty or a legacy. If this was all just some hype they built up because they had this brilliant marketing

plan, brilliantly, perfectly positioned the cowboys with sponsorships and the cheerleaders and the brand in itself in America's team with nothing to back it up, I would agree with you. But because of the legacy with Tom Landry and when he was in his prime and with Jimmy Johnson and then Barry Switzer of the 90s, they were the team of the 90s, team of the 70s, I would disagree with you. I mean, I would agree with you. But because they have that, that's the little bit of hope that they give people to hold on. So you understand why they became what they did. Now, and so now they built their legacy.

They built the brand off of two decades of greatness. Trump was high in the 80s, too. And that's why he was able to win press. And that's why he was able to get to where he is. And that feeds my point. We can move on, but I'm just saying, it's just very rare for somebody to not be able to, in a competitive sport

for a franchise to not be able to do shit for 30 years for 30 years and then every day we have to talk about them and all of this stuff and then they get Michael Parsons

they trade them away. Your hate is part of what fuels the brand. It's true. That's true. So stop hating. Just don't talk about it. America's team bullshit. The best thing you could do

if you really hate the Catholic is to not talk about them and not make them so relevant. At this point, Jerry, I am convinced Jerry Jones does not care about winning. He cares about the money and he cares about the attention. Good or bad. And the hate fuels the franchise.

Right. It does. Remember I told you what my therapist said that the opposite of love is not hate. Excuse me. The opposite of hate. Wait, the opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference. Indifference.

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2,000 adults, one in four Gen Z adults said that they had yet to have partner sex. And within this study, there's also a gender divide, men being more likely than women to report never having had partners sex. One in three men versus one in five women. Rachel, what's you got?

Oh, this is, when it's the sex topic, you know, it is all you. But I will say this has been, oh, don't look around the room. them, Van. They know. When it's a sex topic, it's all me. I'm the sex expert of higher learning. Van. And you like it. Look at that face. Zoom in on that.

Zoom in, not even self-proclaimed. We are giving you that title. No, I mean, this, I see this and I'm not, I'm not surprised by this. This has been an article. I've seen articles about this prior to this one that came out. But I think, I know that they said it's been declining since the 90s, I think it's definitely since COVID. And I think that there's a lot of things to it. I mean, I mean, the 90s, I would say, I think it's social media, you know, social media is like the root of all legal. I think accessibility, not just in ways of social media and the internet, but also accessibility to porn. I think the glamorization of sex in movies and television and books and whatever it may be. And then people have it. And then it's not quite what they thought it was going to be. I think digital connections and digital distractions,

um, satisfying maybe cravings for sex in ways. Like they fulfill it that with through, you know, digital distractions, like I said, or whatever it may be. I think women that look at it in a different way, if I'm honest with you. I remember somebody told me one time, if your man ever asked for sex, you always say yes. Like, you always have to please your man in that way. And I don't think. that women are subscribing to that anymore. I don't think that they feel like they have to say yes to please a man. I think that they see that they're that they have more power and saying no, I think that maybe they value themselves in different ways where they don't feel like, you know, to like I said, to please a

man or to get the attention of a man that they have to give themselves in that way. I think that there's a higher fear of STDs turned on the TV, HPV commercials everywhere, herpes, HIV, AIDS. I think, and then like I said, COVID. I think COVID. I think COVID. has contributed to it as well. I think that I thought people would come out of COVID and realize that they needed human connection and human touch and the attention. But I think it had the reverse effect

where people really got complacent being at home, alone, allowing the screen to take the place of what people used to do. I think all of this contributes to people not having sex in the same way. People not valuing sex the same way. I should say it. First of all, in a relationship,

you don't have to do anything. you don't have to You don't have to give somebody sex You don't have to give somebody money You don't have to pay somebody's bills You don't have to do any that stuff, right? You don't have to do any that stuff But you should ask yourself though

If you are in a relationship And you don't want to do that stuff Then what does it mean? What does it mean? Not being at somebody's beck and call I'm not saying that But I'm saying if you don't want to spoil your partner

if you don't want to have sex with your partner if you don't want to do certain things, what does that mean? Okay. Uncle Van time. It's time for Uncle Van to talk. Like lessons from Uncle Van. I can tell the kids out there why they're not fucking each other. They're not fucking each other

because they're fucking themselves in every single way. The standards that we have, not just for human connection, but for human beings are so unbelievably high now. We litigate everything about actual people through the lens of societal purity. And that stops us from seeing people as what they are. Most people in this world are just people that are trying. People that are synthesizing the information that's given to them by society,

unlearning the things that they learn from the small towns, the big towns, the mid-sized towns, from their parents and from all of their, and just trying to understand it. And what we do is we take people at one point in their life and a snapshot of who they are, and then we litigate everything about them. And then we create scenarios online to demonstrate the goodness or value of people. We go, should you be doing this with your partner? should you be doing that with your partner? How should you treat this person?

How should you treat that person? Everybody now wants human beings to be a sure thing. They want a finished product. They want somebody that's not capable of making a mistake that would hurt them. And that's just not how people are. People aren't like that. People are going to hurt you on purpose and on accident. But on the other side of like risking it and making a connection with people,

it's something beautiful. It's beautiful. Bad sex is beautiful. If it's consensual and if it's something that you want to do, bad sex is actually a gift because bad sex teaches you

what good sex actually is. If you communicate. Right. But look, my point is this, is that I could talk about this until I'm blue in the face and no one's going to understand what I'm talking about. No one's going to get it because we now can see the danger. We see it.

One reason why you can't convince Americans that they are safe is because they see the crime, not just with their own eyes, right? You could be walking down a street in the world and feel completely safe. If someone shows you a video that says, hey, two days ago, this happened around You just don't feel safe anymore. You see it. You see the crime. You see the abuse. You see the trash people.

And so you're on a lookout for it in every single way. You're on a lookout for who's going to hurt you, who's going to take from you, who's going to minimize from you, who's going to make you feel small, who's going to make you feel marginalized. You're looking for it. You're reactive. And I see this with these kids in dating. I had a conversation with some of the kids here. call them the kids because they're a lot younger than me about whether or not it was okay for a 29 year old person

the day to 23 year old person. I'm like, are you guys fucking, are you guys kidding me? Like, a completely artificial standard is six years. A completely artificial standard of human connection that they really believe in. I'm like, you guys are looking for reasons to build walls

in between each other that don't really exist. All of this has to do with this. Like, you're fucking yourselves. I grew up in a really dangerous time. I grew up in the 80s where my parents would say to me, I would leave the house

and my parents would be like, be here before it get dark. That was it. Didn't have no phone on me. Didn't have nothing, right? All of the carnage that happened to the kids of my generation is why we got the rules that we got, right?

It's why it is, It is like we were, us and generations before us, it was like, all right, well, we need an Amber alert to know when a kid has been kidnapped. We need kids to know what to stay away from. We need to know all of this. I get it. All of that worked. All of it made sense in terms of keeping people safe.

But man, if you don't think that life is about taking chances with people, if you don't think that life is about taking chances with love. taking chances with sex, taking chances with a job, taking chances with all of this stuff, with saying, I know enough about you to risk it. If you don't think that life is about that, then you might as well live in a room,

four walls, hand sanitizer everywhere, and jack off until you die. Because the reality is, it's going to happen to you. The pain is going to happen. The hurt is going to happen. The disappointment is going to happen.

It's part of it with human beings. But the first time it happens now, you run to Twitter, you tell everybody how trash the person is. The first time it happens now, you run to Instagram, you tell everybody how fucking upset you are. You tell everyone about every single trauma that you have rather than dealing with that trauma and understanding that trauma and disappointment and broken connections and misconnections is a part of the human experience. Very well said. And so to me, all of this is just saying that forcing perfection on people or trying to fit people into these different categories, it's just going to make you lonely because that's not what people are. Well, it's this in your, you're so right in everything you said.

And I think it goes back to what I'm saying about the accessibility that these young people have to so many different things. And it includes people that it creates this insatiable appetite to keep chasing. for what their idea of perfection is. I was looking at something on one of these social media pages that I follow, and they were talking about how difficult it is to date, online dating specifically is what they're talking about, dating apps, because you go on a date, you have this great time, this beautiful connection, and then you get home, and maybe you get a little antsy and board,

and you think, well, let me just get back on the app and see if there's somebody else who might look a different way or might have more interests that I have or maybe lives a little bit closer to me or maybe has this better job. And then you forget about the amazing time and the connection that you have to chase what seems more desirable to you. It's the insatiable nature of it all that I think adds to the loneliness too. You keep chasing and chasing and chasing for that idea of what you think is perfect for you. And you're just always going to be a in that game of chasing to the point where you're lonely at the end of the day.

I blame men. You blame who? Sorry, I just had to say that because that's what people think. I said, I blame men. Oh, you probably do. Part of it. I just have to. Because what's the conversation about this

without me blaming men at the end of the day? It's a part of it. A part of it. Look, fellas, just avoid the ones like that. Go out and have a good time. Donnie? Yeah. I feel like this was the biggest news story over Labor Day weekend.

Until Tuesday, President Trump had not spoken publicly in about a week. And this past weekend, his public schedule was very light with a lot of time on the golf course. But like I said, he did speak Tuesday. And this is what he had to say about the rumors of his demise. People then see you for a couple days. 1.3 million user engagements as of Saturday morning about your demise. Really? I didn't see it.

Yeah. I have heard. of crazy, but last week I did numerous news conferences, all successful. They went very well, like this is going very well. And then I didn't do any for two days, and they said, there must be something wrong with him. Biden wouldn't do him for months. You wouldn't see him. And nobody ever said there was ever anything wrong with him, and we know he wasn't in the greatest of shape. No, I heard that. I get reports. Now, you knew I did an interview that lasted for about an hour and a half with somebody, and everybody saw that was on one of your competitors. I did numerous

shows and also did a number of truths, long truths, I think pretty poignant truths. Now, I was very active over the weekend. They also knew I went out to visit some people at the club that I own pretty nearby on the Potomac River. And, no, I've been very active, actually, over the weekend. I didn't hear that one. That's pretty serious. Well, it's fake news. You know, it's just so, It's so fake. That's why the media has so little credibility. I knew they were saying, like, is he okay? How's he feeling?

What's wrong? I said, I just left. And it's also sort of a longer weekend, you know, it's Labor Day weekend. So I would say a lot of people know, I was very active this Labor Day. I had heard that, but I didn't hear to that extent. I didn't hear that one. Question. Did you want him to be dead?

no I'm never going to take pleasure in someone's health failing or you know wish death upon somebody and and and also because of that let's just say I was that kind of person where I'm like they're so evil I hope they die that's not going to solve the problem you still have the same con if your issue is that you don't like what Trump has done to this country Trump could not do it by himself still have the same Congress in place you still have the Supreme Supreme Court in place. You still have JD Vance, who would take his position,

who would just do the exact same thing and maybe even worse. It ain't going to get better. So it's not going to change anything. You have a smirk on your face. I'll finish this and I'm going to let you say it because I'm really curious as to what's my eye at that smirk. I'm not taking pleasure in the fact

that people thought you died or wishing death upon him. But I do take pleasure in some places. I love how bothered Trump is about this. I love because one thing we know about Trump is that he values aesthetics. We know he values beauty and being good looking and all these things. So the fact that people are talking about his ugly bruise hand and making it even uglier with bad concealer where the shade changes every hour is hard for him. the fact that people are saying he has cancles.

I know it just makes his blood boil. And I love this. I love that people are making jokes about it because he places so much weight on beauty and they're basically calling him ugly, which shouldn't bother most people, but for Trump, I know it gets under his skin. The other thing that I take pleasure in

is that he is becoming a victim of the reality that he created. I'm not saying that Biden didn't have health issues. the things that Trump was saying about Biden did turn out to be true. But he was constantly feeding the media about his age and how old he is and how slow he walks and how he trips and all these things. And he was begging other people to pay attention to it. And he had all these conspiracy things out about him. And now that is exactly what people are doing to Trump. He built this world.

He built this reality. So now people are analyzing every little detail about him. So I say he's a victim on it. And I love it. The same people who have conspiracy things are, oh, he died. Oh, his health. Trump wants to make people think he's a superhero and he's invincible. He looks weak.

He looks ugly. These are the worst things for someone who is vain and a narcissist in the way that Trump is. And I do take pleasure in this. So I was smirking because I really disagree with the first point. I think if Trump was going to die? No. But I think that. Well, let me tell you, I'm going to come to that in a second.

I think if he were going, everything changes. I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. It doesn't change. Obviously, it can't change structurally right now because J.D. Vance becomes president. Things are the way they are in the House and the Senate and really in America. However, I think the MAGLE movement dies with Donald Trump. I definitely do. I don't think anybody else has nearly the,

gravitas that the president has to continue the MAGA movement. The movement, like most strong men in that situation, North Korea has been pretty good about handing it off different people, but most strong men in that type of situation, all you see in Syria too with Assad and his son and stuff like that. But in this type of deal, a movement that is so focused and based around one guy, he named the movement. The movement is about his sensibility. It's about his worldview.

Donald Trump came out and he said to the people, when inside MAGA, when he bombed Iran and they were mad about it, he says, I decide what America first is. It doesn't matter if you think it's America first. If I say HB1 visas are cool, they're cool. If I say bombing Iran is cool, it's cool. I decide what America first is. It is Maga-ness.

Trumpism is a dictator-state of, thought, culture, and allegiance. He is a cultural dictator right now as he tries to become an actual one. But he is their dear leader. And once he is gone, the next person that gets vaulted into that will not be able to follow.

It will be like Kalin DeBore at Alabama. He's the Nick Saban of that shit. And when no Nick Saban is there, the entire structure of the program. We got Quincy Avery to talk college football later on in the show. The entire structure of the program, it falls apart and it will fall apart

when there's no more Trump. That is true. I did not want, I did not wish death on him either. And you know why? I didn't. Because I'm black and from the South. 100%. And being black and from the South, particularly,

means that you have a specific relationship to death and to bad things happening to people. And when you have that proximity to death and to bad things happening to people, you intrinsically and culturally put yourself in the position of the people that bad things are happening to. And that orientes the way you look at the world. That's one thing.

And then there's a second thing. It's the thing that, to me, it's a lot more difficult for us to talk about sometimes. White supremacy conditioned black people to not wish the worst on the people that are oppressing them. Oh, for sure. White supremacy, a lot of the reason why

there are some people that are listening to this and are like, how could anyone wish that on anybody? Particularly on the people that are trying to make you drink shitty water and throw you in jail is because white supremacy, conditioned black people, I'll say it again, to not wish the worst on their enemy. Right? Not wish the worst on their oppressor.

So when we are thinking about the people that are taking our rights, throwing us in jail, beating the shit out of us, we don't think in terms of their end, we don't think we need to wipe these people out. We don't think we need to take these people's power and put them in the position that we're in.

We think we need to reconcile with them. We think we need to figure out how to build a society with them because that's what we've always done. But I'm letting people know that's not the way they think about you. It's not. And we have hundreds of years of evidence to back this up. What they think about you is kill them,

imprison them, sterilize them, and keep them quiet. That's how they look at you. Yeah. That's how they look at you and that's how they've been looking at you and that's how they're going to continue to look at you especially the more noise that you make.

The way they look at you is the best nigger is a dead nigger. The best nigger is a nigger that we can control. The best nigger is a nigger that can't make any more niggers or is in a place working for us. They look at you and your life

and they wish the worst on you. So even if you don't have the capability to wish the worst on them because there's a higher power that dictates that you be better or there's a spirituality that you connect to that tells you the energy you put out coming back to you.

I'm not telling you you're wrong. But I am telling you, you're in a one-way conversation with supremacy and oppression. And that conversation that you are having is life and death. So I'm not saying that

because I just told people I didn't do it. I'm not saying that I wished death on President Trump. I'm not saying that I did that. I did not. I can't do that. It's unsouthern of me to do that. But I know intellectually that white supremacy wishes death on me. So the question that we should have,

the conversation that we should have culturally around this is how do we serve ourselves? What do we do? Are we in the situation to where we essentially do not want to become the thing that we hate? I understand that. But is there also a part of this? I've never wished death on anybody in my life, and I won't wish death on anybody in my life. But is there also a part of this that perhaps our need to be morally, energetically, and spiritually clean puts us in a disadvantage. against people who don't feel that same need.

Against people who will leave church and lynch you. People who will lynch you before church then I thought about this anyway. There's nothing in me that is going to make me

want to wish that. Now, that doesn't mean that when you're gone, I can't be happy. See, even that. Even that, even that, that feels weird. It doesn't mean that, well, my life might be better or things might be better for other people.

Like, you're gone. I'm not going to mourn you. I might be like, huh, okay. But I want to say something about what you said about MAGA. And if Trump is gone, that you think MAGA goes with it. I think MAGA, as in the movement might go. But the problem with what Trump has done, the reason I say that nothing will change. if the rumors were true and Trump had passed away is because Trump has done such a good job of infecting white people with the fear of the great replacement. And that is something that is going to live on even when Trump has gone out of office, however he gets out of office, whether it be sickness, death, or his time has expired. And he doesn't really try to go for a third time term. that fear of being replaced is so, that infection is so deeply in them that it is spreading through not just people, but into policies and into government.

And that fear is what makes the Supreme Court makes the decisions that they make. That fear is what keeps Congress so partisan and what keeps these elected officials fighting for their place to reign in society. because they are so fearful of losing that influence. That is something that has always existed, right? Because that's white supremacy. But now there are things that back it up, whether it's congressionally or legally, that allow that to rain. And that's going to live on past Trump.

And that's why I say, yeah, maga might, people aren't waving their Trump flags. People aren't wearing their Trump shirts. People aren't saying, make America great again or Trump does, was right about everything. but that feeling and that desire to want to stay on top and to continue to push people down and the power that Trump has given them, not just the confidence, that actual power to be able to function that way in society

is going to live on until somebody else gets in power and starts chipping at it away. That's the problem is what Trump has done. That's how I feel. So MAGA may be gone, but the feeling... But I mean, what you're talking about? about is America. America is built on the death of 25 million indigenous people. Correct. The enslavement of

of black people. Like that's what the feeling that you're talking about. But you can't deny, but I'm not, it's past a feeling because it is infected policies and the law. Always has. Okay, but you can't deny that things are rolling back and they're moving and they're continuing to put things in place. Affirmative action isn't the same. Women's rights aren't the same. Women don't have rights. Women don't have right over their reproductive rights. So let's take those two issues though. And they're and they're continuing to

and they're continuing to put things up in front of a court that is eventually voting rights act. We talk about all the time. But let's take those two things though. Let's take those three things that you just named. Three things. None of that has anything to do with Trumpism or mad. They're already working on that. It's just, it's just a fact. Like if we look, hold on, if we, now if we look, if we look at how, uh,

there was a 50 year battle on abortion. And that 50-year-old battle. was waged by the Farrellas Society and Leonard Leo and the rest of the people that were able to dump billions and billions and billions of dollars into aligning the right with the pro-life movement and making it a staple, making the pro-life movement a staple of right thought and republicanism. If you go look back at voting rights, Shelby versus Holder was, I think, in 2013. So that comes before. That is, you're talking about political activism that exists at the grassroots level of, I wouldn't say the grassroots level, at the corporate level of Republican organizing that has had money thrown into it for decades, right?

There's literally not an issue that came to pass under Trump, besides maybe the immigration stuff that he was able to wave a wand on, that they hadn't been baking for a long time. Like a long time. These are things that are fundamental. They became fundamental to right thought. They became fundamental, even immigration, it became fundamental.

We go back to immigration decisions in the early 1900s when people were talking about what it means to be an American and limiting immigration. It became fundamental to conservative thought. They've been working on all of these things. What I look at as being, Trumpism and being MAGA is a specific ability to galvanize the right to destroy dissent between them.

Number one, to get complete political consensus and intellectual consensus between them, right? To make anyone completely scared of saying, I don't agree with that or I don't agree with this or anything. a central political theory that is oriented around just what one guy thinks. All of the other things that we're talking about have existed in conservative thought for a long time. They've existed the conservative thought for a while. Now, What's the one thing then that Trump is that is separate from these issues? What do you mean?

So you're saying, so I'm saying that I think that they're all connected. You're saying that Trumpism and MAGA is centered around one guy and what one guy thinks. What I'm saying to you is that what is the one thing that Trump thinks or that he represents that's separate from the conservative movement that we've been seeing, which is to keep whiteness in place. Okay. So what you said earlier as far as making the people believe that they're going to be replaced, that's rhetorical. and that's true, right? I think that past generations of Republicans have eaten around the corners of that

or eating around the edges of that, should I say, and not set it directly to people. So they would say, hey, they would use the welfare queen. They'd say, hey, the welfare queen is like whatever, whatever, or this is welfare or whatever. They wouldn't directly say, hey, black people are doing this or Mexican people who are doing this, or these are the people.

Fascist talk. blood of soil, blood, soil, fascist type directly, because they didn't think that their constituency would, that it would be palatable then to talk like that. They thought maybe we were too close or maybe the Soviet Union being such a robust villain in the Cold War. You couldn't be too close to those guys. You couldn't be

too, couldn't talk directly that way. So they would say the thing, but not actually say it. We got to a point where really America was having a very direct cultural conversation with itself. We were asking what we actually were. Obama was getting out of office and we were like, are we a post-racial nation where we no longer have these questions? Do we sit down and have a beer summit with cops that have come to the house and handcuffed us when we're the president of prestigious universities?

Do we just have a beer in the White House and discuss it? Or are we in an existential fight for the cultural future of the country? We were having this conversation with ourselves. And Obama was saying we could have a beer and discuss this. And Trump was saying, no, you can't. Those are the people that are trying to take your country over. And I am the person that is going to stop it. But it was an I, not a we.

It was not a we. It was not me, Mitch McConnell. this person, this person, this person, this person is going to stop it. It's not a we, it's a me. I'm going to stop it. Everything that I say is the thing that you do. Everything that I do is the way that you live your life. Me, me, me, me, me, not them, me.

And he has kept it that way. He has, everyone that has even tried in any way to be his rhetorical or influential equal he has sunned them quick and sent them back to their room, giving them a nickname and a new set of directives. Get the fuck out of here. And humiliated a lot of his, his would-be successors to a degree that they are now permanently injured. When Trump is gone,

the people that are going to take over the Republican Party are going to be the Brian Kemp's. It's going to be the people that laid low and were not even anointed by him and able to come back and give America something that's different and more palatable to they'll go right back. Because the corporate interests that are involved

in the Republican Party, they do not like the fact that they cannot really control Donald Trump, even though they kind of do. They definitely do. But the fact that they can't make him do what they want him to do, you know what, they do. They basically do.

But I guess what I'm saying is they would prefer somebody that, read from the script that they gave them. And the politicians that do that, they will be up for that. This is, it's just the way I see it. Trumpism, the MAGA movement, all of that stuff. Some of the policies might endure for a while. But I'm telling you, once he's gone, once he's gone, there's not a second act.

There's nobody that could do it like him. Doesn't mean that things are going to, we're going to get normalcy. It just means that it doesn't matter if it's Rubio, if it's Vance. It doesn't matter if it's God for Nancy Mace. It doesn't matter who, all of those guys that try to do a Trump impression after he's gone, they're going to fail. It's not going to work. Well, you shall see.

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The document requests immediate Department of Defense support for ICE's enforcement and removal operations activities to address, quote, public safety and national security. The memo also suggests that the support will be provided by active duty. troops and it makes no mention of Illinois National Guards. This is just Ken Clippinstein reporting this. I haven't seen it in any other news sources. Trump spoke yesterday and appeared to talk back or walk back. His claims that he's going to be sending troops to Chicago and Baltimore, but it's just kind of up in the air.

We'll see what happens. Wait, Trump walked it back. I thought he said that it was going to happen and just didn't provide a win. Yeah, since that, he mentioned specifically that governors. he acknowledged that governors may have power to prevent this to happen, but this is also before this memo was obtained from Ken Klippenstein. So we're getting like conflicting reports. So he's just now saying that governors have the power to protest.

I wonder if that come to not have to not allow it to happen. And I wonder if this comes hand in hand with the lawsuit that was filed in California. and not the lawsuit, but what was filed in California and the California federal court said that Trump is not allowed to do what he did in California in regards of deploying the National Guard

without the consent from the state. You know what the interesting thing about this is? What happens when somebody says no? To Trump? Well, okay. When we're talking about, obviously he tested the limits of federal power all the time. But when we're talking about troops on the street, National Guard,

beefing up all of these different agencies and having them go to places they have one of the, you have mayors, you have governors, you have people in these various places that theoretically have the power to stop that from happening. But what happens when they say no? Because what Trump normally is able to do, you know, in D.C. he could use the fact that D.C. is the nation's capital.

Home state rule. A home state rule. Federal has things going on. And then he got rhetorical and very direct support from Mayor Bowser, who is one of the most catastrophic disappointments that I can think of just recently. And I'm waiting to hear the justification of Mayor Bowser and her decision to essentially... Well, she's kind of sad. Okay, give it to me.

I mean, I listened to what she said, but I didn't really feel. in a roundabout way she's afraid of Trump taking away the power that D.C. has to run its own government, which is granted to them under the Constitution and under the Home Rule Act. So at any point, Trump could have Congress take that away. And she's saying it's better to, and I do not agree with this, by the way. But she's saying it's better to work with the government rather than Trump work against her. and take away the powers that the city, Washington, D.C. has to vote and elect their officials and run their own government. That's what she's saying. So I had her to say that. I want to hear her in interview. I want to hear her do a sit down with someone and kind of explain that. And the reason why is because, you know, I'm sure that she has an intellectual and political.

explanation as to why she's done what she's done. I'm sure she has. But it is completely devoid of context. And it's completely and utterly devoid of any understanding of what the stakes are. It just doesn't. The stakes are legitimately freedom. Like legitimately freedom.

No one in the world loves crime. No one in the world loves crime. No one in the world loves crime. No one in the world loves crime. Everybody wants to feel safe. But the reality is we can look at safety in two ways. We can look at safety as investing into people and fixing social ills that are the root causes of crime. Or we can look at safety as sending armed jackboots into neighborhoods to harass black people.

And Muriel Bowser said the latter is. okay. Yeah, the context is there. She said the latter is cool. She said that we're better off with armed people in masks, rolling

up to people selling water and going, what are you doing out here? She didn't co-sign the mask thing. She actually did say something against the mask, but her hitching her wagon... Can't be a little bit pregnant. No, no. I'm just saying she outright said, I just want to be clear. If we're going to put it all out of

she did specifically say she doesn't agree with the mask. I'm not agreeing with her. I just want to put it all out there. She did say that, but you are correct. You can't just do a little bit of it. You can't say that, but then hits your wagon and co-sign everything that Trump is doing and then say, go take it even further and say, crime is down because of what Trump is doing in our city. Which, by the way, is a surrender to propaganda.

It's a surrender to the propaganda of the strong man, dear leader. It's a surrender to that. it actually affirms what he's saying. What Mural Bowser is saying right now is that every city in America would be better off. 100%. With Donald Trump being able to send the military or federal agencies into the city

on the ground to patrol the city and put Americans essentially in a military state. Like, she's given... Against what people want. Your citizens don't want that. She's given the whole store away. She's completely undermining the consent of the government. She's given the whole thing away.

And this is another thing to me specific about Trumpism is she was in a rhetorical battle with him. Because if she was in a structural battle with him, then what she would have done was what elected people do is listen to their constituency. But she was in a battle, whatever. Like what I'm saying is I'm looking at this now and this part of it, This dictatorship, it's a virus. And it's a virus that will exist until somebody fights back against the virus. And then we will really see what is interesting. Will Donald Trump send troops into places where his ability to do so?

We saw this in California a little bit. It's either murky or downright illegal. And who do the troops listen to? What happens in these cities? where do these various allegiances lie and the real question is how bad does this get?

Well, oh, go ahead, sorry. That's it. Well, you know, I do not agree, I have to be saying, I do not agree with anything that Mayor Bowser is doing in Washington, D.C. and she's trying to hide under the Home Rule Act,

and I have to do this to work with the president. There are ways to work with the administration, this is not the way. I understand you're hiding behind the fear of losing control or losing the people's control to govern their city because D.C. is monitored in a way or ruled in a way that other states aren't, right? Like California can go to federal court and say,

hey, this is illegal under this act or under the Constitution because of this, this, this, this and this. And then the court can say, you're correct. Trump is creating an act. National Police force where he is the chief of police. That is past his power. But she's trying to hide under D.C. being different from other cities, and this is the wrong way. What I will say to answer your question about saying no and what people can do is what's going to happen is it's going to go up to the Supreme Court.

And that's what Trump wants it to do. Federal report in California has said you can't do this. They will probably appeal it. And then it'll go to the Supreme Court. And what will the Supreme Court do? Will the Supreme Court rewrite the Constitution and define what Trump is able to do under the Insurrection Act? I don't know.

We don't know. If we're going by history, they will rewrite it and define it in a way where he is allowed to deploy the National Guard or federalize the police at his beck and call for whatever reason he wants to. But you know what? It's like I'm sure this has been talked about, and this is an obvious thing. But what bothers me so much about the pop and circumstance, I mean, there's a number of things, right? Obviously, tanks and troops being on the streets, citizens don't want it. Him acting just as that judge said in federal court, federalizing the police, making them, making himself the chief of police and creating this national police force, all that is wrong. But for a. But for a judge, he said in federal court, federalizing the police, making them, making himself the chief of police force, all that is wrong. But for. But for, a party that stands so much on children that is all about protecting children and for the benefit of children. If you are going to deploy the National Guard to protect people, why do you not have this same enthusiasm to protect children in school? I know I'm like jumping around,

but I was really thinking about that. And it's like, we're talking about you going into city, that aren't even in the top 10 most cities with the most crime. But just in the last couple of weeks, children were murdered while attending and praying in school. And we have moved on for you to federalize and create this national police force, but you care nothing about children

and parents who are afraid to send their children to school, but you are the party who has been so big about protecting children, but there's nothing that you're talking. about using your government or your power to protect the children in any way. It's just upset. Yep. I mean, obviously they don't give a fuck about kids. I'm saying it right now.

The right, you guys don't care about kids. Like, you don't. The leading cause of death of kids is firearms. The leading cause of death and kids is firearms. So, I mean, if you, so we can talk about kids, caring about kids, so far as those kids being safe in school, like actual safe. But what about caring about the kids so that the kids feel safe in school? Yeah.

Being safe in school means nothing's going to happen to you, you're actually safe. Feeling safe in school means I have the feeling that I am in a place where I am safe. And that's profound. It's profound because the feeling of safety is what we're finding out in society is more important than actual material safety because I can tell you right now, in all of these cities, we've talked about this,

we've dove into these numbers, these cities are so much safer than they were 20, 30 years ago. You're so much safer. Even during the spike in COVID, you saw crime just completely do like this since the early to mid-90s. but people are able to make them feel unsafe.

So they make decisions that are at cross purposes with their freedom. Children being able to go to school and feel safe and feel like they're in a place where if an adult does something to them, they can tell somebody. Where if there's not going to be a government that's going to enter the school and kill them and their friends after recess. where they have the best type of education and I'll tell you something else. Those kids feeling safe from a physical standpoint, meaning they're safe because they aren't hungry.

Right, right. They feel like they're in a place where there is food for them, where there's good books for them. They feel like they're in a place where their childhood can be accepted and then turned into citizenry.

If you cared about that, you would move with a completely different set of priorities. You'd want kids fed, and you wouldn't say things like a congressman in Florida said, where if you want to eat at school, go get a job at Taco Bell, you wouldn't cut the snap benefits of their parents. There's so many things you wouldn't do.

But obviously, the answer is that they care more about the NRA than they do about their own children, and that is in the tradition of white supremacy in this country, starting with guys like Thomas Jefferson who allowed his kids to be slaves. The economic institution was more important than his progeny. And so to me, when I look at them, make decisions that are either cynical because they're corporate

or cynical because they're white supremacists, I go, oh, it's Tuesday. Well, I do want to stand corrected. because I said the Trump administration is not doing anything. They're not using their power in any kind of way to protect children at school, make them feel protected, whether it's a feeling or whether it's physical. Because the Justice Department and their leadership

is seriously considering whether it can use its rulemaking authority to follow onto Trump's determination to bar military service by transgender people and declare that people who are transgender are mentally ill can lose their Second Amendment rights to possess firearms. So I stand correct that they are doing something. They may have found the answer. So what I urge you guys to do is to look into some of these school shootings

and look at some of the red flags that were ignored and some of the ways that that, but remember all of this stuff, though, red flag laws, all of this stuff, you know, the gun control community, the NRA-backed steroid community is just going to go crazy when you say that. that stuff. Okay, two things just popped up on the old Twitter. I want to throw them at you, Rachel. One is, one is from a friend of the show, Ryan Clark. Twitter's going crazy right now because Ryan Clark said Tom Brady, Drew Breeze, and

Peyton Manning weren't generational talents. Ryan said that? He said that Tom Brady, Drew Breeze, and Peyton Manning were not generational talents. How is Tom Brady not a generational talent? So, Donnie, do you have, can you, can you, can you put? Can you play the sound from Ryan Clark? Can you find this? I'm going to send this to you right now. Because this is, I don't know if people know, Rachel and Van, we're football experts.

I don't know if you guys, I don't know if you guys know this. But Rachel, like here on higher learning, I'm not sure if you guys know, we're football experts here on higher learning. We, this could be known as higher learning chalk talk. We're the experts of football, the foremost experts in football. This right here is the number one football podcast in the world, hiring. I learned. Number one football podcast in the world. Donnie, we're going to listen to what our friend Ryan has to say.

Then we're going to respond to it as the number one, a football expert, Rachel Lindsay, and the number two football expert, Van Lathen in the world. We're going to respond to this. I think John Elway was a generational talent. I think Patrick Mahomes is a generational talent. I don't think Tom Brady.

I don't think Drew Brees. I don't think Peyton Manning are generational talents. I think Andrew Luck ended up being a generational talent. I don't think there's a tough. ton of them out there. So then how does one in your eyes be a generational talent? Because there's not a lot of difference. Production.

Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me chime in here because I love the argument back and forth between y'all. I ain't trying to get in the way of it. You got a nigger you just did. The operative word here is, is, do you believe Archmanning is a generational talent?

He could be, but he's not. Why not yet? Whatever you see you say that he is? To say nothing. Okay. Yeah, this is nothing because he didn't even give Ryan the chance to unless we just met up too soon. Was it over?

Yeah, there's only a couple seconds left of that. But I don't want to hear Stephen A. Smith. I want to hear Ryan's criteria of what makes you a generational talent because that is the most random list of John Nell-A, Patrick Mahomes, and Andrew Lug who retired early. What do you mean is random list? What are you talking about? Well, Tom Brady. I don't understand how you don't. John, okay, because this is what I was thinking of.

first. When he was doing the list, I was, I was like, okay, he named John Elway. Maybe he named John Elway because John Elway was before our time. And I do think that there's this thing of before. John Elway was a scintillating quarterbacking talent. No, no, no, no. Can I finish? Can I finish? I think that it's, I'm not, John Elway is a generational talent. But he did, but then he named Patrick Mahomes. Because my thought was, oh, you're naming people from before our era. And I think it's easier, like, It's almost like the Michael Jordan and LeBron thing. Like Michael Jordan is always going to be greater. And I think this generation will always say LeBron is greater because they grew up with it. It's like a different thing. It's a mindset is what I was saying. John L.A. is totally a generational talent, not taking away from that. But then he ain't Patrick Mahomes.

And I'm like, okay, well, that argument's gone because he's currently and currently still playing. I would argue that he's a generational, generational talent as well. I don't know how Tom Brady is not on that list when he is arguably one of the the best quarterbacks we've ever seen. So what is the criteria for a generation talent is? And I wish Stephen A hadn't interrupted. So Ryan could have explained that because I don't understand the list. It's hard to even have an opinion on it because what are we basing this on?

Are we just naming our favorite players that we think are generational talents? Are we basing it on some type of reason? All right. So this is the way I'll look at it. So John Elway, just for the kids at home, John Elway was a freak, a freak, okay? When John Elway was leaving college, getting ready to, John Elway was baseball and football like a freak. Rocket arm, insanely mobile, incredibly competitive. He was like a once-in-a-lifetime package of athletic traits.

That's a fact. Same thing with Patrick Mahomes. Only Patrick Mahomes was in a situation at Texas Tech where it wasn't as, I guess, evident. Andrew Luck, not evident, his physical gifts, but he didn't win a ton of games and have like a ton of success, probably because of Cliff Kingsbury at Texas Tech. Andrew Luck, same thing.

Big, mobile, strong, and also had it between the ears because I can give you other guys who have freakish arms, right? Freakish arms. But the question for those guys was like, did they have it between the ears? So there's, I think for me, when I look at a generational quarterbacking talent, I'm looking at all of this physical talent

that's refined enough to the point to where it has shown itself. Like, you would look at somebody like Anthony Richardson who came out a couple of years ago from Florida. he had all of the physical gifts. Freak on. He could run. All of that stuff. But was it necessarily the type of refined and finished quarterbacking talent

that you would then say that's going to be a slam dunk generational talent in the NFL? Right. So you look at L.A. You look at Luck. You look at Patrick Mahomes, which Patrick Mahomes is. an interesting one because there were things that Patrick Mahomes

did when he got to the NFL that I don't think people expected him to do. I don't think they expected him to do these things when he got to the NFL. I don't think they expected Patrick Mahomes to be able to read a defense pre-snap and diagnose a defense post-snap like he can now. I think a lot of people were surprised by that.

But this is what I would say to my friend Ryan. If he's just talking about the package that I just mentioned, there are only those guys every now and again. Guys that have all of those physical tools, but then they've also refined their skill set

to the point to where they've proven it in college or whatever, whatever, uh, uh, the platform they're on, whatever it would have to be college, right? So that doesn't come around that often. So I guess you could say those are generational talents.

However, with somebody like Tom Brady, what I would ask Ryan is, is there a such thing as being so mentally and competitively gifted, that that offsets maybe the way John Elway could run, the way Patrick Mahomes could run or move or their arm strength.

Is it possible that Drew Breeze is so freakishly accurate, like otherworldly, superhumanly accurate, that that's worth him not being able to run, that him, that him not having the strongest arm, that that one thing makes him, he is generationally gifted. as an accurate quarterback. Or with Tom Brady, the freakish competitiveness, the un otherworldly leadership instincts, the accuracy there, the toughness, the mentality, all of that stuff, does that outweigh

some of the physical gifts? Because a lot of the quarterbacks that he's talking about right now with Mahomes and Elway and luck, those guys were incredibly physically gifted. Are there non-physical gifts? that could even out some of the physical gifts that those other guys have and make them generational talents. You're not going to see, the only problem with it is you're not going to really see that

until a guy's been in the league, like five, 10 years. You're not going to be able to, you're not going to even measure that pre-draft. You're going to have to see that after, you know? So that's the thing. We don't know because he got cut off. I'm just, I'm just, you know, if he's just talking about from a physical standpoint, then Tom Brady did not have a rocket crazy arm. He could not run at all.

He looked crazy when he was running. Drew Brees did not have a rocket crazy arm. Couldn't really run. Like Peyton Manning. All of those guys. John Brady is in the, you just have to. You have to include him. What's the other thing that popped up on Twitter?

Let's get into some mess. Brittany Renner. Oh, messiness. And, uh, Oh shit. PJ Washington of the Dallas Mavericks. They were recorded by Brittany arguing over the weekend about their son the PJ Jr. Let's hear this audio.

Hold on, guys. This is what we're not doing. So every time that he does this, I'm going to record this. Because that's not okay. I'm just like, you know, I'm not. No, the thing is, this is the third time he's done it. This is the third time he's done it. He doesn't want to go with you. So actually show up, actually show up and do something then with him. Because he does this every time. No, it's not. No, it's not. So if you guys are listening, there is the exchange of the child is happening. And when Brittany was giving the child to PJ, the little baby, young man, young boy, child, baby, toddler boy. He starts crying.

Brittany and her mother, if you haven't seen the video, they then follow PJ to his car. He's in the car with his new girl. and then an argument ensues. What did you say? I didn't hear you say it again. If you had one, maybe I would. Cussy-assie-ass-ass-beach. What the fuck you're looking at?

Get your bitch-ass out my drop-wife. That's the mom. Fuck you. You don't pay for shit either. $170,000 to your whole but $11,000 in your son's bank account. $11,000 in your signs bank account. And that was PJ's girl.

And then, The video ends there. Rachel? Oh, Brittany Redder. So I kept saying that was the mom, because the mom was recording. It was her and her mom talking.

And then at the end, the other woman, the new voice you hear is the wife of, I can't think of her name, but the wife of PJ Washington. Oh, they're married? Are they not married?

I didn't know that. They're married. I mean, they're married, okay. They're married, right? Yeah. I think that adds to it, right? Because he, And the reason I specifically say wife, because she is, one.

But also, Brittany Rayner and him had a child in 2021. I don't know the ins and outs of what the demise of their relationship, but they broke up. He goes on to marry this new woman. They have kids and a family. And as it was also reported, he plays for the Dallas Mavericks to just sign a multi-million dollar deal over a number of years of dollars. $90 million dollars sent you.

So. I really think that Brittany Rainer, she wanted this to be her viral moment and it is. Here we are talking about it. But it didn't do what I think she thought it was going to do. She was so caught up in the moment where she was focused on trying to make him and his wife, the father of the job, PJ, and his wife looked bad that she forgot the whole point, which is her child's well-being. And I know we don't know.

I just said we don't know the ins and outs of why Brittany and PJ broke up. We don't know the ends and outs of their relationship when it comes to co-parenting. But I'll tell you what I saw and I heard in this moment that she so badly wanted us to see. A father came to pick up his child. She acknowledges that the child has reacted to the father picking him up. His father picking him up by crying multiple times, which insinuates that he has come up, come multiple times to pick up his child. Children cry when they leave their parents.

Like that's a thing. We don't know why specifically. She's trying to insinuate it. something else, but children cry when they have to leave a mom or a dad or something that they like. That's normal. And I think in this situation, rather than encouraging him, like calling out, oh, he's crying, this is what he does. She should probably be encouraging him maybe not to cry, but instead she's adding fuel to the fire by insinuating he cries every time he pick him up. He doesn't want to go with you. Again, I have to add, put context onto this, but I would think

that this is a father who's picking up his child. He has other children. He's trying to spend time with his child. You're recording with the camera interface while your mother and you are yelling and screaming and saying he doesn't want to go, but instead of trying to make this a calming situation for a crying child who's clearly upset for whatever reason in this moment, I feel like instead of being an antagonist, you should be providing a nurturing situation. You and your mother are yelling explicit. The wife then starts yelling. You're screaming in front of the child. And at the end of the day, I said at the beginning of this, the point of this is the child's well-being, the child is going to be the one who suffers the scars from this.

The child is going to be the one that remembers this, this hostile situation. And you were more focused on having a camera and recording when really all it showed to me was that I feel like you were the problematic one in this. Instead of putting your child first in this moment, you put your ego over your child, you put social, media over your child. You put yourself over your child and you got the attention that you wanted, but at what cost? Who is it that suffers in this moment? It's the child. I feel like I just need Brittany Renner to take a beat and figure out who she is, what she wants in this life and what her priorities are. Because in the moment, in this moment, particularly, it did not feel like it was her child. It felt like it was having a viral moment. So whether she figure out, it needs to figure

out what her priorities are in regards of whether she wants social media fame, whether it's some religion, whether it's a man, whether it's herself. She just needs to figure it out. I'm tired of seeing Brittany Renner in these type of situations. I just am. In all situations, in every situation, we just got to think about the kid. All the time. All the time in every situation.

You know, I've seen people that said What type of frustration would have led someone to do this? This is one that I think was not alone Or the Battle of Sexist lines that I thought it was going to be. This is one that I don't think that very many people had ambiguous thoughts on. I think people looked at that And just felt sad all the way around because there's a standard that we have to hold ourselves to as adults,

no matter how things get, how hard things get in relationships, you know, a standard that we have to hold ourselves to. And that standard is always remembering that the ones that are following us are the ones that like we're in control of that we teach, that have put their thought and their safety in us. And we have to be considerate of that.

we have to consider them. I don't know what's going on with Brittany and PJ, but, you know, I've seen it before. Just give you an example. Normally, that's a joke. I've seen it before. If things are good between the parents, which is another reason why you want to make sure

things are good between the people that you're co-parenting with, because the context of things change. I've seen before what that's a joke, where I've seen a mother hold a baby, or a father hold a baby and then the mom come over and reach for the baby and then the baby cries.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we laugh, right? Or the mother have the baby and daddy come over and reach for the baby and the baby cries. And we go, oh, that baby love

mama, oh, that baby love daddy. We laugh. We laugh. Oh, look at this. It's actually funny. sometimes that the baby cries when they leave mom or cry. But you know what exists in those situations? Trust. Yeah.

Trust between the two people that are parenting, a familial trust around what's going on. Trust exists. And when you look at this, there's clearly no trust there that the baby is crying because it's just because of a regular reason. There has to be something nefarious. and then we have to see it

because we have to have the same opinion of PJ Washington that she has, which we ain't in their business. We don't know what's going on, right? But I think from the video, the only thing that you really

can glean from the video is that the situation is dysfunctional. There's no way to look at that video and then say who's right. And we shouldn't be, and we shouldn't be pretty too. Right. And so the only thing, the only thing we can look at is that, the only thing we can see from that video is that that's dysfunctional. And we would hope and pray that that is a functional situation for her, for him, but most importantly, for the baby, like for the kid. And there's got, there's got to be some voice of reason that involves themselves at some point. Like, it's got to be some kind of voice of reason. Yeah. They might have to do a third party when it comes to drop-offs because hearing that, kid crying.

It was like, it was agonizing. And it only escalated. The whole video only escalated. It only escalated like from, from there. It went from, it started off with the kid crying and then it became a full on familial royal rumble in the driveway where everybody's

fighting. And I'm not here to call either one of them bad parents, but what I can say from that video is, you are not prioritizing your child in that moment. And that's a problem. Yeah, yeah. You know, for me, I ain't got no kids, you know what I'm saying?

So I always looking at parenting. There's sometimes I look at people's parenting, though. Sometimes I look at people's parenting. And I've seen people before. I'm like, you know, I look at people's parenting in other situations that are not as dire to a kid running around the airport, knocking people bags over. I'm like, you know, you ain't going to do nothing about that? You need a nigger just knock my shit over.

if I get on his ass, if I get on his ass, then you ever jump at a kid? Never, never. You have an if at one? Sometimes you just, because sometimes a kid will fuck over you and they'll think it's funny. You never just if at a kid? What's up?

You never just get, because sometimes a kid will jump at you or a kid will do some shit to you and they'll think it's funny. I used to have my nephews back in the day, my little ones, all the little kids that used to be around and stuff. And they'll do some shit and then they'll think it's sweet.

They'll think it's a game. they'll come, they'll knock your shit over or they'll scare you. They're like, kids like to come scare you. You're on the couch just chilling and all of a sudden sigh, somebody comes scare you, they jump on you or whatever like that. And then you just, what's up with you?

See, how you don't know? You never know, I might flash out on your dumb ass. You never know, nigga. Like, get on your ass, you know what I'm saying? Like, and you jump at them a little bit to let them know that it's not going to happen, but it could. And sometimes you've got to do that in different spaces.

Kid in the airport and Walmart come behind you, kick you on your shin. You know, does that happen to you? See, you know what? You know what gets me? So I had a take about kids and people got mad. I said that I should be able to pay extra to fly on planes and go in place where kids aren't there.

I should be able to pay for kid-free spaces. That is somebody who's talking who doesn't have kids. nigger, do you have kids? No, but I would never make that statement. Why? What's so wrong about it? Paying extra, fly private then. You want to pay for a space. There are ways you could do that.

You want to pay for a space that has no kids on and on plane. Go fly private. But, hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So, you're saying that the alternative should be, get your own plane. Are you saying the alternative is if you want to pay more,

I'm telling you, there are ways to pay more so you can fly kidless. But to act like kids can't travel because they got to get to a point. You want to pay more to be in a kid's free space. That's not what I said. Look what you just did. Did you not say you want to pay more

to be in a kids free space? This is what you guys are doing. This is what you, you, you kids get to the point. Or saying, Kids are the boy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, listen. You should not see that? No, I did not say I didn't want kids to travel.

I said I don't want to. You said you want to pay more for a kids free space? That's what you said. I didn't say that I didn't want kids to travel. That's not what I said. I said, I don't want to travel with them. Okay, that's what I said. And I gave you an option.

Right. But what I'm saying is that's not what we're talking about because that's fantasy land. That's $50,000. Okay. So what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is right now is you should be able to pay for spaces where they're not children. Special times at restaurants, special times at the movies. There should be special times where you can pay where there are no kids. And it's not because you do not like kids.

It's because sometimes you don't want them around. And by the way, I have a challenge, by the way. I know that I'm right. And I'll tell you how I know that I'm right about this. All of you have mothers in your lives, people that are mothers. Do something and then watch the response. Go to a mom, unprompted with no fucking warning, and say, I'll take the baby Thursday night. Just go up, just go to a mother, because this has happened before.

Go to a mother, mother. This happened in the 2000s when the kids were little. Like go to a mother and say, I'll take the baby Thursday night. Watch her response. Like, watch her response. The mother of the child, watch how she responds. She is going to act like she won the lottery. She is going to act like it is, you have changed her life because you've given her an evening free of her own child.

She's going to go out. She's going to paint and sit with the girls. She's going to get a daughery. She's going to do stuff. And I know this because it's happened. Hey, Van. I'm running late coming back home. It's like you only have to watch it 30 more minutes.

No, it's okay. Stay as long as you need. I got it. We're watching, sitting here watching Dora. She's watching Dora. She's watching Dora. I'm playing Halo. She good. You're good.

Are you serious? Yeah, stay out as long as you want to go to the happy hour. Do the whole. Oh my God. I can't believe it. Then you know what they start doing? After that, they start trying to get you to take the baby. Van, are you going to be home Friday night?

Yeah, I'll be here. I'm not doing shit. You sure you're not going out within your little, I'm like, no, I'm good. I'm good. Like, why? It's like, well, if you're not going to be doing anything, I maybe want to go do, go for it. Go for it. You become uncle of the year because even the mothers of the children know that there are certain times that they fucking need a break from kids. Even the mothers of the children know that. So all I'm saying is it most certainly is, all I'm saying is, even if I'm not with the kids every single day and I'm not, there are some. certain times when I really need to know,

when I know I need to sleep or I need to do all it is, that I would just like to ensure that there are no children there. Kid free space, like, adult only spaces. There should be kids only spaces. There should be adult only spaces. And so, I mean, they have them, obviously, strip clubs

and stuff like that, but I'm talking about if there was one flight where I could pay for it and I knew that they were going to be kids on a flight. Because there's nothing worse than taking that red eye and you knew that they're not going to be any kids on there. And all of a sudden, the kid gets on the, a red eye and the baby is late and the parents booked it and the baby's crying you can't get

no sleep and do you make a fool out of yourself on CNN it's happened before you so yeah you want a but you also you want that but you want it to be reasonable no no no no no no reasonable price I want it to be a service offered and I also don't think that like or a reasonable price and I don't think that renting out a whole plane I'm saying that this should be a service that's offered is why people five rights is one of the reasons I'm sure they do that's not why they fly private the five private because I said one of the reasons. They fly private. They want to be in control of the entire environment.

So what I'm saying is that, like, by the way, that's not an anti-kid thing. And what I was going to say is that I don't think kids fuck with you the way they fuck with me. Kids fuck with me. Because I'm jovial. I'm big. And they want to have fun with Uncle Van. They come up. Oh, so that's not me.

No, kids love me. I'm not saying they don't love you. That's not what I said. See, listen to how everything that gets said taking. I didn't say they didn't love you. I say that they fuck with me. They fuck with me. They come in and that's why you got to jump at a kid.

I'm like, back the fuck up. Like, hey, hey, man, can I have, no, that's enough. Back up, nigga. Like, you got to jump at up sometimes. Jocelyn them around a little bit. I love children. But I don't want to be around. You're an elitist.

You're an elitist. I'm becoming a little bit of an elitist. I didn't say I'm an elitist. This has nothing to do. I'll tell you what I'll say something else since you say I'm going to leave this. Poor kids don't have this problem.

I like them more. They don't have this problem of getting out of their bodies. Poor kids don't. Can we go? I'm so tired of the generalizations. Can we go? When I see black kids on planes,

they are well-behaved. I'm not saying that they're all poor, but I'm saying the kids, like, I'm not saying, When I see black kids on planes, they're well-behaved. I'm sorry. I saw a whole family of black kids that come on the plane. We're having the fun.

But I'm telling you, the kids that be in first class with you, what you're watching? Get your ass on my god. Okay. All right, Donnie, before we leave, Drake, I stand by everything. I stand by it all. Drake, nah, we got to do it. It's your job.

You're podcasting. This is you. Just recognizing somebody that. I never met in my life that I fully believed in that I thought was really interesting and I wanted to have an interesting conversation with. It pissed off like so many like all these fucking losers, these like, you know, like story journalists and like this guy and that guy who like feel so entitled to this interview about and Drake never does anything for like this type of media. And it just like made people so angry that two people who actually like have just like maybe nothing to talk about. or everything to talk about, but just based on, like, random energy could come together.

I think it changed a lot of things. It changed a lot of things, like, on TikTok. It changed a lot of things, like, in the streaming world. Like, it made people more comfortable to go sit down with somebody that they've never sat down with before, you know? Like, not to take, like, overly take credit, but when I do see, like, somebody, you know, who keeps to themselves, like, a Nicki Minaj, like, go to, like, Kai Sinat's house.

Or, like, I see, you know, these musicians, go to like a guy like Plackboy Max's studio and start making songs with him. Like, I feel like we did usher in the idea of just like, like, you can be from two completely different walks of life. Celebrities are not here that we're not, like, the goal is not to be like some unattainable dickhead for the, for your whole life, you know, and only to like sit with Zane Lowe while he, like, asks you like the most like curated and formal questions. No disrespect to him, you know.

Yeah. But it's just like, I think we did. something that was special. Yeah. And I was proud of what we did. So I think that a lot of people have criticized Drake for not doing interviews with hip hop media. Which has been a while.

I'm going to be honest with you. I think the criticism is unfair. I think the criticism is unfair. I don't think it's a fair criticism. I think if we're looking at Kendrick, Drake, and Cole as being the holy triumvirate of prestige hip hop, I don't think any of those guys really do that much hip-hop media in terms of the interviews are concerned. I'm just to be honest with you.

I don't think that they do. Question. Do they do any interviews? They do some. They do some. I mean, Kendrick did an interview with Timothy Shalamey. So, like, so he did an interview with Timothy Shalemate. They might do.

And by the way, when I say this about them, I don't necessarily think that it's, so I, I have people that I blame for it. And I am one of the people that I blame for it. I blame myself partly for this. I worked at TMZ for 10 years. And in the time that I worked at TMZ, I watched the media landscape change. I tell you how.

TMZ as an organization has to exist to destroy prestige. Like prestige is created by manufacturing importance. Meaning an interview feels important because it's with Barbara Walters. everybody is going to be watching. Everybody's going to be watching you with Diane Sawyer. In order to make that interview feel important, you have to make Barbara Walters someone that's important to talk to.

And there's a lot of PR that goes into that. There's a lot of manufacturing of her, of her reputation. And there's a lot of work that a Barbara Walters or somebody like that puts in to get to that point. There's a lot of journalistic accolades they have to get. But a lot of it comes to what we perceive as being prestigious, right? For TMZ to exist, they have to kind of destroy prestige. They had to destroy people's relationships with PR. They have to destroy people's relationships

with legacy networks. They have to destroy all of that stuff. They have to say, you don't talk to TMZ. We talk to you. Right. It's not your moment when we're talking to you. It's our moment. And I think that that was contagious. I think a lot of platforms over the last 15, 15 years, When you talk to them, it's not them talking to you. Or it's not you talking to them. It's them talking to you. The moment will be theirs. It's less about interrogating what you are and what you have going on.

Then it's did you see what so-and-so as so-and-so, right? And that underscores to me, what I've always said about hip-hop in particular and particularly is that there needs to be prestige hip-hop media where these interviews are specifically about these artists. These interviews

are about these artists, interrogating them, asking them questions, tough questions, questions that they can't really like choreograph, but questions that are about getting to the center of what they are and what they've done and not about the platform

itself using the artist to add to whatever the platform is. Like, I'm speaking on this, I'm not in hip-hop media, but what I have seen is legacy media, period, take a hit since things left. And that's fantastic in one way, because it democratizes people's ability to have opinions and have platforms without having to get put on by somebody. But also, there's something else that it does.

it changes the standard. And when the standard is actually changed, it's a mixed back. Because now, Drake, who went on a lot of places and did a lot of interviews early in his career and was shit on by people, now he doesn't feel like it's worth it to him or even some of these other guys

don't feel like it's worth it to them to sit down with someone and have a cultural interrogation of what it is that they're doing and what it is they have going on. Because there's a lack of trust and a lack of incentive. When you sat down with a Barbara Walters or where you sat down with even Elliot and B. Dada or when you sat down with other people who were prestigious in what it is that they did, it's not like they didn't ask you relevant questions. They did ask you relevant questions.

But it was worth it for you to do it because the interview was important. And so when I saw people respond to what he was. saying, I thought it was devoid of a lot of context about how media has changed, how media has changed in the last 15 years. And while it's a good thing that there are more creators and more podcasts and more new media than ever, because some of these voices are so unique that I enjoy listening to them, they have their own groups, their own fan bases, all of this stuff. But for us to be able to be in unison, particularly as a hip-hop culture, that there are one or two or three places that you go where that interview is super duper important from a prestige standpoint that has to

exist. Because then we have to ask you, well, this big thing happens, why didn't you go sit down with this person? Why didn't you go sit down with that person? And that part of it, which is not really super, and those people can't be super invested in self. They have to be correct. or driven, but it can't be about boosting their platform with the interview. It has to be getting to the heart of the story. Journalistic standard and integrity that has to be a part of it because if it's not a part of it, then it's something that you can say no to. And when you can say no to that, like it turns it because now these three guys

are guys like them, they don't have to do those types of interviews, especially in black spaces, right? even if they, when they do do them, it's Gail or it's Oprah or it's, we don't have anybody that they have to really talk to. So essentially means that they're not feeding into that kind of cultural ecosystem, that kind of hip-hop ecosystem. So somebody has got to, in my opinion, care about the actual substance of the journalism and get to that. It's not for me. I'm not in hip-hop media. but I'm just saying

there needs hip hip hop media needs prestige So you think if that prestige Isid Drake would be doing those in the place I think that Once again, not just Drake Um I like it not just Drake But what I think is that

If artists could go to a place And trust that the interview was going to be about them And if the interview was going to be about what they have going on rather than the platform or the place trying to make a moment, I think you would

see more of that. Even if the interview was going to be hard. Why do you think that actors do it? Oh, because that's acting as a prestigious profession. So acting is a prestigious profession. Like that's a great question.

Like being an actor, it still means something to be a stage actor. It still means something to... But there's still subjected to the same. The reason I'm asking is because, I mean, I think being a musician is prestigious too, but I, but what I'm saying is is that actors will sit down with these media outlets who will ask them questions that are not about the craft. It will be about making

a moment. And you still have, what do you mean? Like who? Which as in the outlet or the person? So two things. One. Because I know because I did entertainment magazine. And it was, and part of my frustration and why I wanted to leave is because I did want to sit down with actors and talk about their craft. And you could see the excitement when that would happen. I wanted to talk about the movie or the project that they were doing as opposed to, well, I saw you are dating this person or you did this to get that viral moment. And go ahead. Well, they're coming. You're on extra. So being on, they're not going to talk to you. They're not going to, there's another thing.

There's a difference in, I think this is an interesting conversation because it also talks about the way that we view these different professions, right? That you're on extra, right? So being on extra, when they come to extra, they, extra is a celebrity news show. So being an extra is a celebrity news show, they're not going to really come on extra to talk about, like, acting. even like, give you an example, even the late night shows are still viewed. Like, people don't even watch the late night shows as much as they watch some of the other stuff that, that's on these various platforms. But the late night shows are viewed as prestigious.

It is a big deal to go on Jimmy Kimball. It is a big deal to go on the Tonight Show. Those platforms matter. So everybody is going to go on there. What I'm saying is we have to have platforms that have a certain amount of importance. So that is, it is in the artist's, they want to go on there. They want to sit down and have conversations

with these people. I get you. My point is that A-list actors will go to an extra, which is not prestigious, and still sit down and have a conversation where you don't have rappers. A-ish list actors.

I've interviewed A-list actors. What's the biggest actor you ever interviewed on extra? Densel, Brad Pitt. Fair enough. So what I would say about that stuff is, first of all, even those interviews, those interviews are PR hits. They're PR hits. Let me finish.

They're 10 minutes at a time, if that, not even that, right? Right. So they're essentially junket hits. Like you're, I mean, TMZ gets those interviews, but they don't get them on TMZ. We get them on a street. So we can get, like, you can get them wherever, right? So it's not like you're not getting the people can get them on the street. So when they are coming to sit down with you, they're not coming to sit down with you.

We're not talking about the extra interview and the stuff like that. We're not even talking about the same type of content. The Drake interview that people want is not Drake sitting down with 10 minutes for somebody talking about something, answering a couple of questions. They know what you're going to ask them about. You're going to ask them about their personal life, what happened on this and blah, blah, blah. It's a celebrity news show. It's exactly the opposite of what I'm talking about, right?

What I'm talking about is interviews with people where you can ask them questions that actually interrogate who they are culturally, right? And these interviews have existed throughout the Rolling Stone interview used to be this. The source and double Excel had this, like interviews that are meaningful and substantive to people. So we have a better, I can't tell you how many times I used to sit down and read a hip hop magazine and read about an art. and feel like I have a better understanding of who that artist is from having seen that interview and seeing that digging into his life. Celebrity News doesn't do that. And so being that that's not happening there, right?

Because some of these rappers might do stuff like that if they're promoting something. They might go sit down. Being that that's not happening there, the question, it has to happen somewhere. And what I'm saying is the reason why it's not happening to me at the top of, of hip hop from an industry standpoint, it's definitely on the rappers, but it's also kind of an indictment

of how the media itself has changed and how, in a way, how predatory a lot of these shows and a lot of this stuff has been. And I am right in the middle of it, like part of the, like right in the middle of it.

So it, like, that changed. And people went, you know what? If I'm going to sit down and have a conversation with you, and the conversation is going to literally be about you making me look bad. Now, I'm not saying that Barbara Walters or Oprah or Gail has never asked a question that made somebody look back. But it was a question that had to be asked, right? I'm talking about, and we know the difference,

sometimes sitting down and having someone and purposefully, antagonizing them or, by the way, which I've been a part of this, purposefully antagonizing them or purposefully riling them up to benefit the platform and not the conversation. And I think that a lot of what we're seeing from people in hip hop where, by the way, I say something else between the difference between hip hop and actors is, number one, like actors love to talk about their craft. They love to go in and talk about all of this stuff.

They think that they're smart. They think that they're smart. So they want to show people that they're smart a lot of the time. A lot of time with the hip-hop artists, they really have to feel comfortable when you're talking to them. They have to feel like you're not playing with them. They have to feel like you're not trying to fuck over them. And if they look bad in the interview,

the fucking audience takes it out on them to so much larger of a degree. Like if you say some, people cut up Drake's old interviews and made him look stupid, made him look like he was soft, made him look like all of these things. And so I honestly, to be all the way, I think it is, it's terrible that he won't do those interviews. But I kind of get it. From all three of them, I kind of get it. Yeah, I mean, even this one, they're cutting off and making it. Yeah, so I actually,

people are upset about this and it is a big time tragedy because it takes away from the whole ecosystem with the culture. I really think it it does. But I'm not going to lie. Like, when I saw that, I'm like, y'all don't see why. Like, I kind of get it. Like, he would talk to people and people would be like, look how stupid he sounds.

Look how corny this is. Look at all of this. And so now he's going to try to choreograph everything he does. And he's not the only one. And he's not, he's by far not the only one. He's not the only one. I don't. Yeah, we can end it. I don't. Yeah, go ahead.

You're done. You don't care about Drake anymore. You hate him. No, I don't hate Drake at all. I don't hate. I didn't like this interview. But that's more of an indictment on her than it is on him. You're not fucking with her.

I don't get it. Yeah. I got it. And I would say what she did before on her play. platform, I understood more than what she's doing now. But this is also only her first episode. So, I mean. So this is some new shit she got coming up?

Yeah, this is a. She's back. She's back. She's back. She started it again. But, um, all right, we got to go. Now everybody can go to her for their hip hop interviews. Yeah, people are going to go there. Look, very important.

I actually love all of the voices out there. I do. I consume so much hip hop media. I consume so much. I'm watching everybody. You know who got a good platform? Wayno. Wayno just sit down, talk directly to the camera.

It's fucking fantastic. Wayno, Sway, breakfast club, Joe Button, all of them. I watch all of them. Watching everything. I'm still on no jumper. The drama over there at no jumper,

I'll still be on no jumper. But there does need to be a place where serious, I'm not saying this doesn't happen on the breakfast club or on Joe's podcast. Or with Ebro. Or with Ebro.

But I'm saying, even I'm talking about prestige hip-hop media. Like, I think that what really needs to happen is there should be a new organization that's formed. There should, a lot of these people should come together. Yeah, the same one that's doing the source awards. Like, they should come together and form a new organization for the preservation, promotion of hip hop as an art

to where you sit down and you have important hip hop discussions. But whatever. I saw, I've seen what I've done. I'm trying to correct it and there it is. That's the whole thing. All right. Quincy Avery, Archmanning talk on the other side of this break. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business.

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me, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier. Racist team lost last week, guys. We didn't get a chance to talk about it. Texas lost, and everybody was paying attention to one player, Arch Manning. Arch was bad, but the question is,

how bad? Now, we can't tell you that as well as one guy, the quarterback guru himself, Quincy Avery, can tell us. He's been talking. Quincy, you're getting spicy on social media, bro. seeing you challenge people about the game of football.

Thank you for joining us, man. What up, though? I appreciate it. All right. Arch Manning. First question. Before we even get to the game, Dan Orlovsky from ESPN had a tweet.

I want to ask you about this tweet. He said, basically the tweet was, how do you take a generational talent and put the handcuffs on him? Most people figured that he was talking about Arch Manning as a generational talent. Before we even get into the breakdown of what Arch did and what he has to do,

talking college football here on higher learning, do you think that Arch Manning is a generational talent? Is he a Newton? Is he a Burrow? Is he a Tebow? Is he a Vic? Is he a James Winston? Is he one of those guys?

Yeah. There's never at any point in Arch Manning's life that he's done anything generational other than being named Manning. You can watch every single one of his high school snaps, which I've done. Every play he played in high school, I watched. He avoided the camp circuit. So the same situation that the C.J. Strouds, the Trevor Lawrence's, the Justin Fields,

the Kayla Williams, the camp circuits that they went through, Elite 11, rivals, all those different things. He avoided that. I think it was a lot because of his family. They didn't want him to go through, like, difficult situations or having to compete with the top-level guys, see where he was at. so he doesn't get that. He never gets to show, oh, I'm really good. And then when you watch his high school tape, he's playing against some little sorry-ass dudes,

but very talented, not very athletic. But he did well there, but there's nothing about him that's a generation. He doesn't throw the ball very accurately. He doesn't have a super strong arm. He's a really good runner. But generational is just a wild take. I had to text Dan, actually, you said that, like,

hey, you're wild. Like, there's no, there's nothing generational about anything I don't see. Okay, so then here's the question, because we've been hearing about Archmanning for a while now. And being from the South, I'm not from Louisiana, but I know a lot of people. And there were a lot of people who would say, there were whispers, there was rumbling that, well, he hasn't really been tested. And even if you take that away, this was his first game starting away. His third game starting, collegiate, his third game starting ever.

he had not been a proven talent yet he was already in the Heisman conversation. He was all Texas is number one, partly because of this, this hype surrounding it. So my question for the listeners who are listening to this, how did we even get here? Because I'm trying to think of something comparable to what I guess I'll call the Archmanning effect. I can't think of a time that we, where there was someone else who was on a similar trajectory like this and half this type. So how do we get here? Well, a lot of the times, the people who are saying things on TV haven't done any research in terms of watching them. So they'll see the recruiting evaluations, the way that people recruit somebody getting into college. So from his high

school time, there's a bunch of old guys who do these scouting services like rivals or scout or ESPN who don't have a depth of knowledge about football. But the stats look good for Arch. He threw the ball for a lot of yards, completed a lot, a very high percentage of passages. But his guys are really, really open. They're way better than everybody they're playing against. So the stats can be misleading. Those stats give them the number one player, like the number one in the country. He's his great player, his last name's Manning. So all of the things that we'll see on paper, they fit the bill. Like that's who, oh, that's who we want. And then you get a guy like Paul Feinbaum and an old white dude who loves the Manning's and wants everybody to, you

You know, they want to be in good graces with the mannings. That's what so many of these people who are talking about him, positively are saying. They want to be able to go back, text Peyton, text Eli. Hey, I have your boys back. That's what he got. He got a bunch of people who care about the men and family really liking him. And that's who's talking positive about him.

So you think that a lot of these guys that are talking about Arch actually are dick riding, Peyton and Eli, and they just want to be on the Manning cast. They want to be invited to the Manning family, Thanksgiving dinner. and they're not being honest about Arch Manning because they want to be in the good graces of his uncles. It's one of two things. Either they're doing that. They're doing some blazing.

You know what I'm saying? Trying to ride those coattails. Or they're ignorant. So it's just one of those two things. It can't be anything other than that. Either we don't know enough about football and we're saying this, or I know a lot about football. And I want the Manning's to really appreciate me having the young ones back.

I don't realize they have that much power still. Oh, they're an institution, yeah. That's, they got the biggest camp where they bring all the top college quarterback. So another coach can't say anything about them because they want their quarterback to go. They want them that positive sentiments about their quarterback when teams talk about them. Peyton Manning's dad is the one who talked bad about CJ before the draft when he was coming out because he didn't like, they didn't go to his camp. They do, they have a lot more power and I think people are aware of. Peyton Manning's dad, how dare you speak of Archie Manning this way?

New Orleans Saints legend, bite your tongue. I want to say something. You know, Newman, Arch went to Newman. I'll be honest with you. I'm part of the Arch problem. Not that I thought that Arch Manning was going to be this amazing college football player, but I remember being still at TMZ when Arch was in high school, and I would be watching the games on my computer at work.

I was just curious about what? they said basically that he threw it like Peyton and he ran it like Archie. And so you have to... He ran it like Cooper. I thought they said Cooper. Archie's his dad. So Archie's his grandfather.

So Archie was a super mobile quarterback for Ole Miss and, you know, Mississippi. They're the most Mississippi, New Orleans people that I've ever known. They're basically from Mississippi. Anyway, so they say he ran it like Archie and he threw it like Peyton and I had to see it. And just to be real, there have been other quarterbacks that have come out, other players that have come out of Newman that have been really good.

Payton went to Newman, Eli went to Newman, O'Dell Beckham Jr. went to Newman. So dominating at Newman for some people has translated into being dope in college and being dope in the NFL. I guess the question is, I'm going to ask you right now. From what you've seen on tape, what is it that Arch Manning doesn't have? And this might be a wretch thing. I think that he has an ability to get better, but he's not very active. and he doesn't make great decisions.

You go to, so the thing that I thought about the most is I watched the very first play of the game. And for those who don't know, the very first play of the game, a team will practice that play every single day during the week. And on Friday, the night before the game, they'll get in the hotel, will be in their sweatsuits, they're going to run through those plays. And after that, they're going to go talk about those first 10 plays they're going to run at the game.

Then on the bus to the game, they're talking about this play that they're going to run. They run the very first play the game. arch meaning misses a first read. How do we do that? We knew what we're going to do. We knew the plan. We knew what we wanted to go to football. Our only goal is to get five, six yards,

and he misses a guy wide open to the flat who's his first street. So it's decision-making coupled with the accuracy, and I don't think his arm is great. Like, he has an okay arm, but he's not very accurate, and he's not making great decisions right now. And the decision-making can change because he's going to get more reps.

He's going to get more comfortable. But those are the things that are really concerning for me in terms of his early play. Okay. So let me, a couple of things that you said. One, you know, this is his first game. He has the, of the season, he has the ability to grow to be better. He had three bad first quarters. Fourth quarter was a lot better.

What did you see him do right that maybe makes you think, okay, he has the potential to maybe live up to this height? or doesn't. And then on the other end, I guess I'll couple it with this question is, how much of his performance was based on play calling versus him as a quarterback? So I don't think that he played great in the fourth quarter.

I thought he played okay. He was all right. But that's what he got stats. He threw a good pass. He threw a good vertical pass down the right side of the field, threw a touchdown. I think that's good.

Like, I really enjoyed that. I'm not going to let you shit on my team like this. Well, that was different. That's all right. I really enjoyed that he did that. Like, you're not fucking older. No, he gave him something positive to talk about with that pass. But we'll go to third and five on the last play of the game.

I mean, the last series of the game. Third and five, he's got a shallow cross. Now, this is discipline. The ability to do the little things right over and over. there it out a little bit. He has a play call where his eyes start in the left side of the field, and he has a shallow cross, which is just a five-yard route, running from his left, right in front him to his right. He's like this. He stays open to the left. He sees it, gets excited, and you see this like sidearm crazy throw. Weird. Hits a guy, yeah, he hits a guy back here in the hang.

You're like, fam, what are you doing? If he would have taken a tenth of a second, eyes, feet, tie those together, put it on his chest. We, we, this conversation could be so much different. We can be talking about how Texas win the game, we're really excited about Arch's future. I think that he has an opportunity to be good, but he didn't do it yet. And the play calling, I don't know, Ohio State did what they always did. I don't think Sark put him in a bad situation to play. He might not have called world-beater plays that put him in great situations with these big chunk plays. But Sark's been calling football for a very long time and it's been a very good coordinator.

Now, Ohio State has dudes, which probably made it a little bit more difficult to be successful. They got Caleb Downs probably the best football player in all the country. But he didn't do a bad job. He did a sufficient job in order for them to score more than 14 points. I think he called the game

that he thought his QB could execute. He put the handcuffs on them. Because he needed him. Because he needed him. I think he called the game that he thought Arch could execute to be honest with you. I want to ask you somebody, because you work with NFL starts tonight Jalen Hertz is playing. Well, it's

Friday when people get this, but we're recording it on Thursday. But compare Arch Manning to Jalen Hertz as a freshman. When Jalen Hertz was a freshman, a newcomer of the year in the SEC, you know, before Tua comes along and all of that stuff

and he ends up. Compare Jalen Hertz as a freshman to Arch Manning as not, well, Arch is not a freshman, but he's a first time starter. These two guys being first time starters. Compare those two guys. Arch would have been a, as a first time started, Arch would have been a little better thrower than Jalen. Not as athletic, but a good runner.

I think he would have said he was a better quarterback than Jalen when they both first got started. Okay. Now, the thing that has allowed Jalen to be so good, and I've heard Arch has this as well, is an insane work ethic. However, Arch is three years in. Everybody's talking about him like he's a freshman.

He's not a freshman. I just made that mistake. He's not a freshman. He's a junior. He registered one year. He got an opportunity to play a couple games last year. And we saw the same thing from Sark last year. He didn't want to put Arch in position before he had to throw.

That leads me to believe if my coach consistently doesn't put me in position to throw up to throw, does he think that I can throw or not? And I'm led to believe that he doesn't. So Arch, for three years in, I don't think he's where he needs to be. He still has an opportunity to grow and to prove. But I know one thing for sure. he's not going to the draft this year. I can dare to him.

Yeah, people were saying he was projected. Some people were projecting him as the top pick in the draft. He's definitely coming back to school. But you know, I will, you know what? I will give Archie Manning credit for that. I give the people around Arch credit for that because as you started to see him in mocks and people saying he was going to come off the board first and he was the number one prospect in the draft, him and his family, they were saying,

Archie's coming back to school next year. So I think- Well, Arch didn't say that. Arch said, I don't know where my grandpa got there. He should have been listening to his grandpa. His grandpa knew something he didn't know. So how much your weed a blame for this? Because you had a really interesting video you put up on your social media about it.

Van talked about the Dan Arlowski tweet. I don't think Kirk, I think I saw something that that Kirk was more in support of Manning. But Desmond Howard came out and kind of blamed himself, College Gang Day, for some of the things that you were saying about people wanting to, you know, suck up to the Manning family. but talked about how they didn't do Arch any favors in evaluating him in the correct way. Do you think the media will continue on the same path that they did the first week?

Or do you think you'll start to see people change their tune? I think the media is going to change their tune a bit, but he's about to play three really bad teams in a row. He's probably going to look really good. Then people are going to get excited again. Like, I told you, I knew that he could do it. This is almost all the media's fault. Texas didn't talk about Arch like this. they weren't like, man, we got this great quarterback.

Can't wait for you guys to see him. Let's start a Heism campaign. That's not what happened. It's the media folks who want to be first to say something. They want to be, I'm telling you guys, this guy's really good, and they hope that it happens. And we put so much undue pressure on a young man who was never deserving of any of that pressure. He's never done anything to deserve. I'm criticizing him right now because of the media, and I shouldn't have to do that.

Right? We shouldn't even be talking about it. You should just be some third-year quarterback who got his first start. Didn't play that well. He has an opportunity to get better. He's Peyton Manning's nephew. We were going to talk. You know what I mean?

We were going to talk about him. Yeah, we were going to talk about him. The question is, and this is my final question for you, he's Peyton Manning's nephew. He's Elon Manning's nephew. When they having dinner at the crib, it's four Super Bowl rings there. It's all pros there. It's his father is one of the great what-ifs in football history.

His grandfather is one of the great what-ifs in football history because stud at Ole Miss then gets to the Saints. We didn't have nothing for him in New Orleans. And he gets his ass kick for his entire career, but is always flashing all-pro Hall of Fame talent, but didn't have it around him, right? He's just part of the most dynastic family in football. How in the world can we be fair,

Arch Manning one way or the other. It's always going to be a part of it. How do you evaluate him and not have any bias, bias against the Mannings or bias for the Mannings? I think that's definitely difficult and you really got to be measured. I try to do my best.

I try to really watch the film and be really subjective about what am I seeing, what does it look like he's doing? But we found that when you do that, people don't take that very well. I think that I did that we should do or Sanders. Before the draft, I'm like, hey, here's where I think he's going to go. And he went exactly where I said he was going to go.

And then people got mad and called me a hate. If you disagree with the general public, it's very, very difficult. And it's tough to be honest. But I'm going to try my best to continue to be honest in this quarterback space. You think you do it will ever be a starting quarterback in the NFL? Something's going to have to happen really interesting for him to get that opportunity. Damn. Let me just say this.

The question should be, do you think somebody will, like, choose him as a starter? Because the way you answer that question, it makes it seem like, okay, that's what I was going to say. But he's a fifth-round quarterback. Fifth-round quarterback's very rarely ever get the opportunity to start. Now, what could happen is there's going to be a couple injuries. He's going to an opportunity to go in the game.

He's going to get to go in the game. And then if he plays really well, then guess what he does? He gets a chance to be a starter somewhere. But I know so many fourths around quarterbacks who've never got an opportunity to start again. What's the lesson here for, last question for me, what's the lesson here for up and you see people before they make it big

and beyond when they do? What's the lesson here for an up and coming quarterback that can be learned from an arch in this situation? You know what? I'm going to use a lesson from Jalen. It's not about where you start, But it's how you continually progress towards a goal, put your head down and continue to get better. If Jalen would have stayed the same guy from his freshman year to a senior year,

he would have not been an NFL quarterback. But he saw where he was, saw what he wanted to get to, and he was willing to do whatever it took in order to be the best version of himself. And now we're looking at one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL because he was diligent about doing the little things right. And he got to see some of those, some of the work come together for. All right. You brought up Jalen, so I'm going to give you one before we go. I know you saw it.

I know you heard it. One game, everything on the line. Who would you rather have? Jalen Hertz or Cam Newton? Like, we can put Cam on Jaylon's team. Cam Newton is one of the best quarterbacks ever to play. And I think he's so underrated. I think he's underrated too.

I watch Cam Newton do magic tricks at Auburn. Keep telling people this. Cam breaks the pocket. Patrick Peterson's there. I'm like, all right, he's going to get the first down, but Patrick Peterson's there. We got him. I watched Cam Newton run away from Patrick Peterson.

And I was like, you know what? We're fucked. It's nothing we can do. Like, we're fucked. But they went back and forth. You saw this. It was between Cam and Gilly and then Jalen Hertz and Cam Newton. Cam Newton was talking about it.

You have to win one game. and you need a quarterback to win that game. I'm not going to give you the whole personnel. I'm not going to let you. We're not talking about the offense. We're not doing. I know all of that stuff matters. Who are you going to choose to win that game?

Cam Newton or Jalen Hertz? I'm going to be honest. I'm probably choosing Cam Newton in front of almost every quarterback ever. Oh, wow. In terms of all the things that he can do. He's a superhuman. I think that we look at him in the wrong way because we remember how his career ended rather than him at the peak of his powers when he was an MVP,

throwing for 400 yards. like he was he's special in a way and he talks crazy now and wears the goofy hats and dress is different so we look at him in a way that I don't think he deserves but that man was one of the best football players ever and I think that we got to treat him as such that that's very objective of you by the way Quincy because I put you in the situation to make you say something and you kept it real and that's why we like having you on the show you always does Quincy every thank you for joining us on higher learning thank you Quincy.

Appreciate y'all. Have a good season, man. Hi. All right, that's enough. Quincy was on the show. Archmanning was on the show. Rachel, it seems like... Archmanning was on the show.

Archmanning was on the show. He was here. It seems like you don't like my opinions about children. You think I hate kids? No, I think they are going to say that you don't like kids. It's just, I think you can have

some of these opinions because you live a certain lifestyle. And I just would also wonder if things would be different. if you have five kids, I wonder if you think in a different way. I just think that there's some things

that I wouldn't speak on and I speak on a lot of stuff. Maybe I probably shouldn't. She threw that in their kids. She threw that in our face. I talked about a specific situation with her and her kid because she wanted us to.

And I'm talking about my life with kids. I'm not generalizing. I just wouldn't generalize can I pay more to not have kids in my space or at my restaurant? Like, I would go home or, you know, would make other trains, cars. Cash your last question.

Would you pay more for a Republican free space? If there was a restaurant... No, I'm just kidding. I don't care. You're eating. I'm not in your conversation. I'm at your table. I'm kidding.

If there was a restaurant that I could go to where I was, like, every once in a while, where I knew there was going to be nobody maga there, I will pay a premium for the service. How would I know? Don't matter. I'm in my conversation. Live in a hypothetical.

I'm willing to pay a premium for it. I pay for YouTube without the ads. Yeah, I'm willing to pay a premium for having a premium service. Yeah, that's what makes it elitist. That's what I said. Thank you, Donnie. What makes it elitist, Donnie?

That you would pay for it because you can. Yeah, not everybody can say I would pay extra for this. We're like barely making it. It's like, hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We got to go. See, he's going. We got to go.

This is fucking preposterous, guys. It is elitist, man. It's okay. You're in a situation where you can't say that. If you had to work, like that's what Donnie's saying. If you had to worry about other things, this would even be a thought in your mind. You wouldn't say it because other things would be more important to you. You have the freedom, the financial freedom to make these reckless comments.

Guys, guys, listen to me. It is elitist to say that you don't, you want to pay for something because you've better than somebody. I don't feel better than families. I don't feel better than anyone. No one. Do you know how many things that you pay for, that you pay for,

that everybody pays for that's based on convenience? Convenience. What's convenient to you? Like, it, like, convenient. Like, however, is it elitist? If you get your food and you don't like the food the way it is, Is it elitist to then tell the people that the food didn't come the way you wanted to come and then send it back? Is it elitist?

No. You're paying for something that you want based on convenience. It's convenience. I don't think that I'm better than the families that are fine. I don't. I don't think I'm better than the kids. So that's nothing to do. And by the way, most things in life are about what you can pay for.

Do you fly first class? Sometimes. Okay. Why? Van, you can flip this argument. I'm asking you. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on.

No, no, no, no. Do you fly first class? Why? Why do you fly first class? Because I like to be comfortable when I'm flying for longer flights. But then, I'm not saying I'm not a lead. I'm not elitist sometimes or I don't pay for convenience.

Does it have any, go ahead. Question. I'm not even going to argue with you on this because you already said it. Can you question? Does it have anything to do with you, feeling better than the people in the economy? No. Okay.

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