Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Harry and Meghan Interview Reactions. Plus, the Papa John's Founder Spent How Long Trying to Stop Using the N-Word?

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss Rachel’s weekend hiking expedition (1:00), Harry and Meghan’s interview with Oprah (17:00), the Cowboys and Dak Prescott agreeing to a new contract (38:00), the NBA All-Star Game and parties in Atlanta (40:00), Derek Chauvin’s trial starting (50:00), and the Papa John's founder's interview on OAN (1:00:00) before another installment of Van’s Very Important Questions (1:08:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Howe Learning is on. Zy Van Lathan. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. Rachel. Man. What's going on?

Inappropriate jokes you were telling at the beginning before we started the podcast. Y'all already know. If this is how he's calling me out, y'all know it wasn't me. I'm not starting off the podcast. All the people out there who are looking to cancel, both me and Rachel, we're both on the cancel. Right? You see, they are after you, Van. They're coming at me. They're coming at me.

Rachel would have given you more than enough ammunition for some of the disgusting things that she said before the podcast. Rachel, what is our... Do you still like being a part of Bachelor Nation now that, you know, some people you're seeing the other side of it? Yes, I do. And I like it because I got to be honest with you, but most of the people in Bachelor Nation are absolutely delightful and lovely.

They are. You know? They are. there are some people hit me up, and man, this, and they're so supportive. And you guys, the world is a great big, gigantic place. And although we talk all about the things that are bothering us, it's because that's how we're wired as human beings.

That's correct. So pro-evolutionary trait to seek, not to seek, but to shout when you see danger. It doesn't mean you can't look at the sun too. So I am choosing to look at Bachelor Nation for what it is, which is a great big community of 9th, beautiful people and some of the most aggressive determined to ruin you people

that I've ever seen in any fan base. But I'm looking at that way. How was your weekend, Rach. How was your weekend? My weekend was productive. Now, I went hiking for the first time ever in L.A. Do you hike? I know you like to work out.

Do you run? Do you go hiking on the trails? I hike sometimes. I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of hiking. Because? I'm afraid of Mountain Lion. Is it that common? Because we were joking that that could happen,

but now that can happen? Where did you go hiking in it? Paseo Miramar Trailhead and the Palisades. Less likely there. Okay, so later tell me where I need to avoid. Because where I was was beautiful. I could see the ocean. I was in the hills.

When early in the morning, I needed that. It's just to start off my weekend the right way. It fed my soul. it was beautiful. Now, as I sit here with you today, I can't walk on my left foot. I developed maybe a stress fracture. I cannot walk on the outside of my foot at all.

You developed a stress fracture. You probably got kind of fast. No, I don't think that I have that. Isn't that in the arc of your foot? So the arc. Interesting. What did I say? What did I say?

You said arc. You said arc. It's okay. Arch. Some people will say arch. No, it's fine. I don't know why. So you develop, you think you developed a stress fracture from one hiking expedition?

I walked like over seven miles. Maybe I had the wrong shoes? Over seven. Yeah, up hilly terrain, that's pretty tough. That's pretty tough. And I didn't, and I haven't done that ever. Well, in a really long time. So I can't walk.

Now, it's killing me. It gets a shooting pain a little bit last night, but it's a shooting pain up into my ankle and a little bit into my shins. And we all know that shin splints are what ended my Olympic track career. So, you know, it... Shins splits. Did you say, mm? I'm not, I just, all I said, all I said was shin splints. I'll have you know. Tell me. I was out there with the best of them. You're out there with summer track starting at age six, pre-bannam, ban them. I don't want to say the M word anymore,

but that's what they called it. Juniors. The N-word? What this was? M. So like in summer track, you were classified. It was pre-Ban-em, ban them by your age group. And then the M-word. What's the M-word? M-word. M-Jet. Oh, okay.

And that's what they called them. You shouldn't have said it. I don't know why you said it. They don't ask me. They don't ask me. I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what it was. So then you ran all that.

I was junior, junior Olympics, all that. 100 to 200 to a quarter horse. And then, you know, shin splits ruin my career. I'm missing the part where you could have gone to the Olympics. That's the part I wanted to. Well, it stopped in high school due to shin splen. I was going to Junior Olympics. I was qualifying.

So you lie. You're lying. I was on the track. I was on the track to be an Olympian. Imagine I told you that a knee injury messed up my shot at the NBA. Were you on track? You go win. How do you know?

Yeah, I played Brett ball. I played high school varsity. I said junior Olympics. You have to qualify for that. You have to qualify. Do you know how many people I know that ran in the Junior Olympics. Like almost all.

Yeah. You know how many people I know, seriously. You know how many people I know that went to the Union Olympics? So they couldn't be on the path to the Olympics? Do you know how many people I know who went to the regular Olympics? Zichlo, baby. Oh, I know people that went to the Olympics.

Why? Because I was on track. Yeah. You went to people, you know people that went because you went to Texas and you know Kevin Durant. That's why you know people that went to the Olympics. I'm talking track, not basketball. Yeah, sure.

Stop, stop, stop. How was your, how was, oh, and I finished, you know somebody from the Olympics. I feel like a lot of, a lot of runners come out of Louisiana. No, I actually don't know any, because LSU has plenty of them. I feel like he just, this is the first on the show, the first time you said you did not know someone. I don't know anybody. This is a first. any Olympians

besides basketball players that I... Oh, you know what? Nope, my co-hosts from Central Ave. Sonia. Yeah. Sonia, I went to school together. Yeah, my co-holds from Central Ave,

Sonia, Richard Ross. She's an Olympian. But that's the like... She was on my list. She was on your list. Yeah, but let me... So what's the highest level of track that you rang? I stopped in high school.

Do you what I'm saying? I was... On track. And I fell in love with basketball, so. Felt in love of basketball. Look, but look, did you bring a stick? No. Why you didn't bring a, you brought no stick.

You just hiked. I guess I was going to run. I was ready to run. Nobody had a stick. Here, Mountain Lion, eat me, is what you're saying. Nobody had a stick that was there. You saw no sticks. Nobody had one of those, like, little.

I saw walking sticks. Right. That's not walking sticks. That's not what you're. Those are. Those are mountain lions sticks. These were the ones that you like plant down. You know what I mean?

These were walking sticks. Those are, like Phil from a modern family has. They were like those. Those are mountain lion sticks. Okay, man. I'm telling you. What did you do this weekend?

What did you do this weekend? I wrote a lot. Okay. I wrote a whole lot. Like in the car? Wrote. Wrote. Oh, I heard road.

Okay. No, I wrote. Not too much. Wasn't really much going on for me. I stayed in Saturday. I stayed in yesterday. You were productive. I did.

I wrote the entire week. I was productive. I cleaned up the office a little bit. You know, Bozeman escaped the house. Wait, what? Is Bozeman still with us? Bozeman is still with us. Bozeman because the little area outside is fenced in.

All of a sudden, people are chilling in the living room, and it's like somebody knocks on the glass, the sliding glass door to get in. And it's Bozman. Like, he's like, it's like, and I'm looking at his, his Bose, I'm like, yo, what's popping with you? You're like, yo, man. He was freaking out. He's like, let me in.

I had left the sliding glass door in the back crack. The Bozeman had got out there. He was back there exploring, but like the real G, he came home. It's my guy. He's 60 pounds. Wow. How big? 100?

He's going to get 100? Yeah, he's five months old, 60 pounds. He's outgrown copper at this point. Copper, how much it's copper way? Between 45.50. Forty-five. Him. He's all hair.

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seeing you sell the latest products on your Instagram and stuff like that. Have you thought about when you're going to come back? Van, I came back on Saturday. Oh, Jesus Christ. You know. Wow. Keep this in here.

Keep this. That was sincere. I didn't see any post. You know what? Did you post? Writing. Yes. You were focused on writing.

I didn't see that. I did. I put up that I was that I was hiking, that I was back. I put up a picture of. just like sunflowers with a quote, baby steps. I didn't really want to put my face. Yeah, I'm back. I barely get on it, but I'm back.

I only post you once. You're fine. So how many paid sponsorship posts are you backed up? You got to probably, you know, you know, I had to come back because I, you know, they're knocking at my door. Yeah. I got a couple. I got, I got one that'll drop this week.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, uh, we're glad to have you back. It seems like you're feeling better. Your spirits are up. I do. I feel better. Taking a week off, the hike.

just talking to people who know me, who get me. Remember what Angela Rice said? You got to have that strong group of people. Don't judge you who know you outside of the persona and all of that. Yeah, I feel good. You my friends are like, it's nice to have you back. And I say, it's good to be back. It is good to be back.

It's good to have you back. Thank you. I didn't know you were back. But we got to get to it now. We got to get to it, guys. Look, I always say this last thing before we we start. Beware. Don't let Rachel play it down. Beware of Mountain Lion. Okay. It, it, it, it, it, this is, this is my thing. And I don't want to get off this, right?

When I hike, I have this stick that I've sharpened a point at the end. You have a spear. I have a spear. Because the stick I found in Griffith Park, like the lower part of Griffith Park is like a long stick. It's got the bark at the end of it. And when I came home one day,

I sharpened the end of the stick to a point, right? Because this is how my anxiety manifests itself. It's like, I know that the probability of getting attacked by Mountain Lion is very low. Okay.

Right? but it could happen. And I think what my brain doesn't let me detach from, I'm getting scared just thinking about it right now, is the moment that I'm trudging along, listening to Drake. Let's say I'm listening to like a slow Drake song. It's like trust issues.

You know what I mean? It's like one that's like you vibe with it. It takes you back. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Call up, I'm drinking less. And you just started, All I care about is money in the sea. And then all of a sudden, you're getting into it.

You're thinking about that girl, freshman year of college, you know what I mean? She could have been the one. You would have trusted her to mix up your drink. I'm on one. And then all shit, you look over. Oh, my God. There's Mountain Lion.

And you see him. Probably her. You see her. And all of a sudden, right now my heart is beating out of my chest and thinking about this because I see the fangs of the Mountain Lion. Like, I see the Mountain Lion. And you don't have no stick. You don't have no gun.

Now, you're relying on the mood of Mountain Lion not to kill you. I don't want to be in that position. Let me tell you something. Sometimes it's great to be ignorance because I had no idea that mountain lines would even be on the trail. Whether they are, they aren't. I don't know. I enjoyed hiking. I was like, oh, I'm going to do this again.

Now you put the fear of God in me where I was not even expecting to see a mountain lion. So I'm just hiking along, getting my exercise, get my vitamin D, not even realizing that I was in danger. And now you scared me. And I don't even know if I can hike in the same way that I was before because I was. just ignorant. Okay. I'm on wildlife. dot CA.

Gov. Stop. Please. These are verified mountain lion human attacks. Okay. Yes.

These are verified mountain lion human attacks. There were two and 86. 86 was a bad year. There was one in 92, 93,

94, 2 and 94, 3 in 94, 995. Here's a thing. After not, after 95, Mountain Lion took a decade off.

They was chilling. They was like, you know what? The reality is, OJ. Trial, whole situation, the city's been through enough. We're not going to attack. Like, we're not going to attack for a while. Not another mountain lion attack until January 2004. And 2004 was a hot year.

Mountain Lion attacked in 2004, three times. Then 2007, in 2012, 2012, 2014. And last year, in California, there were three Mount Lion attacks, January, February, and June. L.A. or California?

Orange County, Santa Clara County, San Diego County. There hasn't been a Mount Lion attack in LA County since 1995. Okay. All right. That don't mean shit. I'm just saying.

Remember, remember when you're doing this. Remember, don't blame Mountain Lion. Don't blame Mountain Lion. Don't blame him or her. Blame yourself because you are in their territory. Not if I'm on the trail or not. What you mean not if you're on the trail? The trail is, is for,

people. It's not like I venture off into the wild. Wait, the trail is for people says who? Like the trail is a trail through Mount Lions living room. I'm just trying to make it all right. I will thank you, man. I will never go hiking again. Yeah, whatever. I'm just saying, bring a stick

or something. Because you, that'll be so crazy to get that call from me. Van, fan, fan. You might not get a call for me. That might be it. No, it'd be a fan, van, van. I'm in a tree. I'm in a tree at Griffith Park. Seriously. See me, I'm flashing the light. Come help me. Come help me. I'm lying. All right. I feel like you would live for that moment. You throw that stick in the car, load up three or four guns and be like, I'm ready.

Hell yeah. I don't want to kill him, though. You know what I mean? Okay. I don't want to kill him. I don't want to kill him. Like even when I brought the gun, it's just to scare him. Like he knows what the gun is. The loud sound will scare him. Oh, you're just going to shoot up. I got you. I got you. I got you. Or I'll pop them Or I pop right next to him

Bop, bough, get off me. You know what I'm saying? Because he, it's not his fault. It's not fair. That's why I, you know, they always, they just piss me off about Harambe. Remember Harambe?

Of course I do. And they killed Harambe. Do you remember that? It's not Harambe's fault. Okay. We have one in Dallas. That's why I was. A kid fell in the Harambe thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they killed Harambe. How about you let Harambe. live in fucking Africa. You know what I mean? All right. Out of the wilderness, now into the wild shit. Did you watch this last night?

Prince Harry and Megyn Markle with Oprah Winfrey? Nope. Wait, what? I did not. Why? Why didn't you watch it? I just, call it rebellious. Call it.

I just, I knew everybody was going to watch it. I knew I could get the cliff notes of it. And I guess it's like, nothing that I watched was going to surprise me. I guess that's just kind of how I felt. Like, I'm not in shock by the bombshell revelations that we heard about the royals and how they treated Harry and Megan. For me, it's like the more things change, the more they stay the same. I just, I mean, if anything, I just wanted to watch Oprah interview them.

But I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't on the edge. of my seat. There were watch parties. You know, people have been talking about this for weeks since it's been promoted. Not me. I was watching Gray's Anatomy. Interesting. I did watch it. But you know, basically, some of the things that were revealed in the interview.

Let's go through some of the things that were revealed. Number one, they claim that, and I have no reason not to believe this, that Archie, the little baby, that was concerned in the rural family about how dark his skin would be. Archie was not going to get security and he was not ever going to be a prince

something like that. Megan Marple also opened up to Oprah about her mental health her mental health issues and how dealing with the pressure of being in the royal family made her contemplate suicide. Harry talked about

his strained brother his strained relationship with his brother, William, who he looks nothing like. And, Okay. Whatever.

We all know that that's not that boy's son. Whatever. Van, another... That's not that man's son. Another time. That's not that man's son. How about that? I've seen the other dude.

Look exactly like him. That's not that man's son. Whatever. Another time. Let's not jump on Harry right now. I'm not jumping on. It's not... It has nothing to do with.

Harry has nothing to do with nobody. That dude ain't his daddy. Okay. That's his... brother, but that dude ain't his daddy. I don't care. Which I hadn't been through this before. I didn't seen this. And basically what they really kind of

what they said was that they basically got put in the colored section of Buckingham Palace. That they Or that Buckingham Palace created a colored section. Exactly. That they made it seem like there was an incredible sense

of intolerance throughout the structure and the fabric of the rural family. I watched this interview and in all seriousness for the first time I felt bad for a duchess. Like I, a woman who's married to royalty,

it just goes to show you just how dehumanizing racism and you know, discrimination can be. It doesn't matter who you are or what heights you've reached or where you've been or where you've gone. It can always make you feel like less than a human person.

And I really got that from her watching this interview. It doesn't matter. Your status, the wealth, the complexion of your skin if you're black. At the end of the day, it's that one drop rule where you're black. So to me, it's like, that's why I say I didn't. watch it because I feel really bad for Megan. And I always have. And I think about how many years ago did they get married?

Like three years ago? Three years ago they married. And I just remember the narrative. And I'm not one of those people who's into like the royal family or watches the crown. I'm not fascinated by it. But people were so excited for Harry and Megan to get married. And the narrative was, oh my gosh, black women are getting chosen. and, you know, it's a fairy tale for black women

and they're getting seen. And, you know, everyone was like, oh, the royal family is so supportive of Megan and they love her and they're inserting, you know, black culture into the wedding with the choir and all of that and people who were speaking. And I even remember reading something about the queen showing Megan, something about someone in the family

who had African ancestry, like, way back in the day. Samuel Jackson is related to the royals. That's what the queen brought. Okay, did not know that. That's the story I heard. But okay, wow. Samuel Jackson. So, like, you didn't hear that was a big deal when that happened.

Shout out to Zoe. I was Zoe on the pod. Wait a second. You never heard that? That Samuel Jackson is a member. And now I'm going to call Zoe as soon as this is over. Who is Zoe? His daughter.

Oh, you know his daughter? Yeah. She was actually a producer on The Bachelor for my season. Oh, wow. Yeah. Samuel Jackson. Yeah. He's a member

Like they found it Are you fucking with me? They've been found this out. I swear to God, I did not know that. I did not know that. Okay. Well, listen. All of that, people were praising it.

It was like They were choosing to ignore the history surrounding the royals, what the royal family was built on as if it all went away just because Harry was marrying a woman of color, a black woman, a black woman. And I guess I just was like,

now that it's all coming to life from the beginning. And I think she talked about this in the interview, how they had issues even leading up to the actual wedding. So to me, it was a facade. It was now we're learning about the nightmare that was. But I just find it interesting how three years ago people were choosing to ignore that as if things were suddenly changing with the royal family just because they were finally getting someone black. I never believed it.

I never believed it. Just because of the deep-rooted history that's, surrounds the royal family and white supremacy and colonization. They don't have any black people around them. You know what I mean? And all of a sudden, they're supposed to change just because Megan is a part of this. I just the fact that I think the most troubling thing that I saw from the interview

is when Oprah asked, do you have any regrets? And Harry said no. And she said, yes, that she trusted the royal family to protect her. And I think that that's, and maybe I'm, I'm thinking of my. own story and Bachelor Nation, but, you know, that's why I say the more things change, the more they stay the same. She felt like she would be protected because, why are you smiling? You're smiling?

All of a sudden, now you're the princess of bachelor nation. No, I'm not the princess, but I'm just saying, like, when you're the first black, well, no, when you're the first, when you're the first, no, I'm not comparing myself in any way to Megan. I, like, what I've dealt with is, is so small. compared to what she dealt with. She dealt with the whole country hating on her. I wouldn't say that. It's just funny.

No, she dealt with the whole country hating on her, misunderstanding her. You know, she was never given the benefit of the doubt. We've talked about that. People believed, like, perceived her to be a certain way because of stereotypes they had against black people. I mean, some of the headlines are crazy. They were saying straight out of Compton

using monkey references, whether it was to her or her child, her unborn child at the time. And so it's, it's, I don't know. I just, I, I guess, a part of me just didn't want to see that. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm still in my own feelings over what's happened

over the last couple of weeks. I just, I just feel so bad for Megan. And I just have to applaud her for recognizing what was wrong. Taking care of herself no matter what. Like, realizing

she wasn't in a good state, she said, I have to protect myself and my family. And then she had Harry supporting her along the way. And they both made the decision to leave together, which I know wasn't an easy decision, but they did it for themselves. They protected their family. And I love that she was strong enough to be able to do that. And then strong enough, strong enough to speak like her, to tell her side of the story to Oprah, but then classy enough to not call people out in the process. I would have been calling out

everybody. Oh, let me tell you who said they were concerned about the color of my baby's unborn child's skin. Let me tell you who made up these lives. Let me tell you who didn't protect me. Let me tell you who. Yeah, but you can do that because that's his family. That's his family. That's his family. Yeah, but she's his family at this point. I know, but you wouldn't, I know, but you wouldn't expect, like, you wouldn't come on, if you, if you were at Brian's house or something like that and you and, you know, you're out,

you're down in, uh, he's from, what, what, he's from Columbia, right? He's in Miami. His parents are from Columbia. Yeah. He's from, but if you're down there in Miami, right, you're from, you're at Brian's house. and one of his family members or something says something to you, you're not going to come on a podcast and then tell everybody their name. And you're not going to say Brian's mother called me this.

See, did they say one thing to me? Or has it been years of abuse, years of you not protecting me, not even providing security to my child, a child who is of royal blood? Is it years and years of this type of behavior where I'm like, why in the world would I do you the service of protecting you? when you have done none of that for me. And it goes back to, she had to, like,

I understand why she didn't call them out because she can't. Again, she has to be damn near perfect as she is presenting herself and airing out this information and telling her side of the story. She couldn't be to one way and not to the other way.

She had to walk the straight line and doing it, which is unfair. But why should she do that for them when they couldn't do that for her? She didn't call him out because that's his grandmother, his father, his brother, his grandfather, did they treat him like that?

Did they treat him like a son, like a grandson, like a brother? But here's the thing that we have to understand. By the way, I think I would have liked for them they have called them out and Oprah would have liked for it too because Oprah was going for it.

Oprah is a master man. Oprah is like a Jedi at this interview game. God, I want that skill. But yeah, like the reality is that when you watch a family drama, people always concentrate on the drama and not the family. The reality is for like for Prince Harry, he got memories with these people that don't have anything to do with the press. He remembers playing and running with people. He remembers being picked up. He remembers when his mother died and who was there and the conversations that were had.

So all of this stuff is painful in one way for her and then painful in one way for him. And so there are all kinds of, for them to even to get to this point to where they're talking about any of this stuff and putting his people on blast. Things had to be exceedingly terrible, exceedingly terrible to get on there and talk all of this type of. shit about your people. I think the reason why names weren't called is because in his heart of hearts, maybe not hers, but in his heart of hearts,

he wants to be back in the family photo again. Not for anything that has to do with any rural duties, but I think that he probably wants to love his dad and his brother and his grandmother and his granddad. You know what I mean? Of course. He wants,

of course he wants to be back and he wants them to accept who he loves, but they don't. And I'm sure it's been very hard for Harry to realize that the family you thought was one way is totally different when that blackness hits too close to home.

Black, the black will always bring it out. Look, here's the thing about the rural family. The black will always bring it out. My dad said that one time. I was telling my dad how much I liked my algebra teacher and what a nice guy was. The guy was white. And my dad was like, he's nice.

I'm like, yeah, yeah. My dad was like, stop fucking his door. his daughter, see how he treat you then. I was like, damn, I'm in the sixth grade. Your dad. I'm like, well, I'm in the sixth grade. What? What?

He's like, yeah, he just didn't want me to be, he didn't want me to be getting. He didn't want me to let my guard down. I'm like, yo, I'm 11. Like, I'm like, what are you talking about? Relax. I just, I just, I like Mr. Hopkins. He's nice.

plays the grateful dad. His dad just puts things in perspective. My dad was like, I'm like, yo, man, can I get extra points? But, you know, but no, this whole thing is, it's, you know, it's deeply rooted. We go to Anguilla all the time, right? We go to Anguilla. We hang out. It's a beautiful island.

Shout out to Anguilla. We hope to go back when everything opens up. It's, you know, it's a British colony. Never been. And, and everybody's not able. People, you can go to Anguilla. I know where you've been. So to get out of here.

But what I'm saying is that, you know, colonialism and imperialism, especially from the UK, they influence world culture. You know, we're speaking English right now, a language that's not very elegant, you know. They're much more beautiful, much more expressive languages that have seven different words for love.

You know, but we're speaking the easiest and simplest language to understand and also the language of the country that sort of predates the genetic DNA of our country. But a lot of the things that exist there and have exists there for a long time have never been reconciled. The queen has never addressed the history of inequality and slavery and racism that surrounds the crown. She's never addressed that.

Prince Charles has talked about it, but has never come from the monarch, right? From the queen. So that, the fact that this history hasn't been reconciled, along with the fact that if you're to believe Megan, which is no reason not to, that it's still going on that these ideas have lasted, right? And then when you also have a situation to where it's like $67 or $70 million

or something like that, euros or something like that, that taxpayers actually pay for the royals who have a $13,000. billion dollar fortune, you know, you just wonder if all of this has to do, like even royalty itself, that type of royalty, right? That type of royalty is based around the fact that like, you're born and you're just better than somebody else. Yeah. You're just better, just better than someone else. You're a highborn. You're better than someone else, you know? And that, the idea of royalty has almost been co-opted a little bit by your Europe because there are princesses everywhere.

If people want, if people want princesses, like if you want a black princess, you didn't have to run to the UK for one. They're black princesses all throughout Africa. Or at least there were. There's royalty everywhere. Like, their royalty is any shinier than anywhere else. So I guess for me,

and I just said a whole bunch, I guess for me, if the royals had changed, if there had been progress in the last 30 or 40 or 50 years, it's almost worth saying, hey, everything that surrounds British imperialism and colonialism doesn't matter anymore. But since there hasn't, since it's obvious that there's still deep-seated racism,

because these people are old, you know. The queen and her husband have been around for a long time. So it's obvious that there's deep-seated racism there and has been deep-seated racism there for a while. Then the question I have to ask all of us is, why do we still bother to give a fuck about these people? I don't think we did until Megan came into the family. I don't know that that's the case.

You think people cared before? If you don't give a fuck about someone, remember, this is different than saying, we don't give a fuck about what's going on in Washington. I don't care about politics. Well, you have to care. You have to care. The royals are a family of do-nothing white people

that are across the pond that don't have anything to do with what goes on here. And now we know that they're actually doing harm. So my question is, why do we give a, fuck about what's going on with them in the first place. Like, why did I watch last night?

I don't think we do. I mean, prior to Megan and Harry dating, I don't think people really cared about what the Royals were doing. If anything, we were wondering, where is Prince Harry partying in the States this weekend? Like, that's what people would see. Nobody really cared. I mean, I guess when Kate and William got married,

people wanted to see, they wanted to see the wedding. But as far as like, and when you say people, are you talking about Americans? You talk about black folks. I'm talking about there's, I'm trying to figure out. Because I was talking about black folks at first. Like we didn't care until Megan. I'm not being my best, most concise self here.

What I'm trying to say is there's a link here between the way we care about stuff like that. and a slight way that whiteness is worshipped. The only thing the royals have ever done is be born. That's it. That's the only thing they've ever done is be born. But there's some sort of mystique and air around them just because of bloodlines that really have probably done more world harm than good.

And watching it last night just reminded me of that. It wasn't something that I didn't know, but I thought that it was something that I didn't have to care about because they don't have any real place in the world. But watching that last night was like, oh, well, everything that they're built on, it does matter because it's still fucking with people.

And it's fucking with this black lady right here who was thinking about taking her own beautiful life because she can't breathe in a situation that she thought she was going to be loved it. And I fundamentally look at them differently. I mean, you know, now they're resurfacing interviews of Princess Diana, the one that she did with Martin Bashir and where she talks about being an outsider in the way that they treated her. And she looked like them, but she was an outsider. And she talked about being looked at as a threat.

And she talked about because she was looking at as a threat, it's because they didn't understand her because she was strong and they wanted to know where did it come from. How did she get it? What is she going to do with it? Just imagine that's how they were treating Princess Diana. Now you add Megan to the mix. and she's black. And she came in with her own status, with her own money. You know, she didn't necessarily need it.

She wasn't born into it. She worked for it. They didn't understand Megan. So they tried to place her into a box, how they stereotype all black people. And that's what we're seeing happen through the tabloids, through the way the royal family's treating her,

and the way that they criticize her even after this interview. Yeah. Did you watch, I'm off that now? Oh, can I do breaking news? Can I do breaking news? Yeah. Can you... Break news.

As we sit here, breaking news in the sports world, the Cowboys have announced they have reached an agreement and a contract with Dak Prescott. The length and terms will not be disclosed until Wednesday, but...

Can I get... We got our quarter... We got a quarterback. Can I guess on what the league and terms will be? You want to hear my guess? Go ahead. I think that he probably signed a 15-year...

contract worth $10 million. $15 year. Stop. 15 year contract, 10 million, 1.1 million guaranteed. Adam Schaeffer is saying, so you're wrong, wrong, stop. Don't do Dallas Cowboys like that. Dak Prescott is rumored to have signed a four-year, $160 million deal, including a record $126 million guaranteed.

Good for him. Good for him, exactly. So no Russell Wilson crossed that off the list. He ain't coming to Dallas. you're acting as if Dallas wouldn't kill to have Russell Wilson. I didn't say they wouldn't kill, but the fact that they're signing DAC, they're not going to sign Russell.

I know. Of course. They're not going to carry two number one quarterbacks, of course. Listen, I wouldn't put a pass him to get to the deck. They're not going to carry. Which one is? Shut up, Rachel. But good for Dak, Prescott.

I feel like he's, he certainly, he certainly played his way into that contract. I don't know. of that Crescott is a Super Bowl caliber quarterback. We will certainly see. We didn't ask, ban, ban, ban. We're not going to do this right now, okay? The fact that Dak has been waiting for over a year for this deal.

He played a self-intu. The fact that he got this deal, right? He saw the injury. He's had a hard 20-20. We all did, but he had a hard 20-20. The fact that this is happening, I'm not going to let you now tarnish his image by saying you don't think he's Super Bowl quarterback.

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All right, did you watch the NBA All-Star game yesterday? Did you watch it? I did not. There was a lot on yesterday, right?

The game, the interview, the Critics Choice Awards. Critics Choice Awards as if that's on the same level. I've just named things. Yeah, I didn't watch it. Real Housewives of Atlanta.

It's a big night. I didn't, I didn't watch it at all. Apparently there was some excitement, not in a dunk contest, but Steph Curry won the three-point contest. Shout out to Steph. I felt completely bad about watching the All-Star game this year. Because why it shouldn't have been happening? And I just felt it was so irresponsible to have had an All-Star game this year.

So terrible. So disappointed in the guys up in New York and the NBA. Look, I understand it. The league has to make money. The All-Star game is a big moneymaker. They certainly want to try to get back on track from the pandemic shutdowns and things like that. But there's just a lot of people who ran out to Atlanta.

And those Atlanta clubs look back on those. Before you get to that, you talk about the people in New York not making the decision to not have an All-Star game, but were you expecting more from the players to not participate in it? Right? Because they could have been voted on the roster, still got whatever bonuses in their contract. the fact that they made it without playing in it. Did you expect more from them?

Interesting. I don't know that I can expect that much for them. At the end of the day, they're employees. And I'm not sure what contractually sort of goes on and what happens to that. I'm not sure what's in the collective bargaining agreement as it relates to the All-Star game itself. I don't know if you have to do it.

I would imagine that you don't. But just in terms of having a working relationship with your employer, I would imagine that, those guys if there's an all-star game and they're voted, that they're probably going to play. I know that some of them had been pretty vocal about thinking that it was stupid, but I think that they're probably going to play. But I just thought it was a terrible move by the league.

Absolutely. And when you look at what was going on in and around Atlanta during that time, you know, we say this all the time, the chances are there's a high probability that somebody's going to get sick and die because the NBA decided to have an all-star game. And I just don't think that that's worth it. Now, I know that there's personal responsibility that people have to be personally responsible if you go out to a club

with 3,000 people in it and it's wall to wall and it's packed and I pray that nobody gets sick. That's not something that I will want to happen. But part of that is a responsibility. You have to take it onto yourself, but I don't know, man. It just, it seems like this was the year to say, hey,

no, not doing it. Yeah, it would have been fine. Or at least have the game, don't allow fans, don't have all well, they would have had the festivities anyway. But did the NBA make any type of statement? Did the league make a statement as to why they were doing it? Because honestly, I forgot about it, especially since it was pushed back later than it normally is. I don't even know what the reason for pushing it back was.

I mean, I guess because the season started later. The season started later, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'm just curious if they put on, if they made any type of statement as to why they felt like they had to do this. Because honestly, All-Star weekend is for the people. more than it is for the game. And the fact that y'all still had it, you know what, yeah, you know, have you been to an All-Star weekend? I have.

You know what it entails. I have as well. And the fact that they still continue to do it without discouraging. I will tell you this. The NBA did send out letters. Mark Stein reported the NBA sent out like 200. Sees and desist letters not to use their image. Not to use their image to promote it.

So they're trying to say, hey, don't party. That's part for the course, though. Like you can't really use the image of the. the NBA without licensing that image. But there could be like official parties and stuff like that. And they're saying we're not having any official parties. We're not condoning any parties in to get together. The brass there in Atlanta, the governor, the mayor, Kishanan's bottom, people

was like, hey, don't come out to Atlanta, stuff like that. I don't know. It just always pretty irresponsible thing to do. And it took away for some of the fun. You know what? Also, I got to be honest with you. I'm cool on all of this. we can do it again for real.

I hear you. I'm like it, you know, obviously we have a movie that might get nominated for an Academy Award and it would be cool and dope if everybody was able to get dressed up and go to the Academy Awards. But you know what, man? Until we can actually fucking have the Academy Awards, until we can actually, I'm cool on all of this. If anyone, it's just not even worth it for where we are right now. Like we can't, it's like, I don't know. This, I'm, and I don't want to spend too much time on it because it's a highly depressing thing.

But the reality is we just, we're trying to force a square peg and around a hole right now. And all we got to do is wait and just be good for two or three more months. You know what I mean? Things won't be. I agree. Things won't be back to 100% normal, but they'll be back to normal enough to where we don't seem like, aliens walking around on our own planet, you know? So to me, the whole thing was just indicative of this icky season that we're in.

It's almost nothing that you can turn on right now that doesn't drip of like danger. Well, the award shows aren't really happening. But this has to be the first biggest event that has happened since the pandemic since the shutdown, right? Well, no, because they had the NBA finals, which I would argue is bigger deal and the Super Bowl. So those, they had those The Super Bowl, the Super Bowl. Right. The NBA Finals, huh?

Yeah. They had those things. But I'm just saying, look, those things to me, once again, are gigantic chances they're taking, but at least they're part of the money-making apparatus

of those places to a degree to where if you don't have them, you don't have the sport. You know, if you don't have the Super Bowl, you don't have football. If you don't have the NBA finals, you don't have it. But this is just having people come out to a place just for nothing.

So I don't know. It wasn't for me. Yeah. Did you see the ingenuity is shown by our sisters, though? I mean, I guess I commend them for their creativity, but wow. Wow. Yeah. Yes, I saw it.

I saw it. Yeah, a group of IG models were partying out of a U-Haul van. They couldn't afford, I guess, a hotel room. So the U-Haul van was. their hotel for the weekend. Where do they go to the bathroom? Where they bathe? I didn't know it was a hotel. I just thought it was just like maybe they couldn't get in the club, so they brought the club to the U-Ha.

I didn't realize. No, I think they took their living quarters. They took the U-Haul van. It was my understanding they were lived out of the U-Hafts for the weekend. Here's the thing, Rachel. It's time for Jesus to come back. But I like, it's, now, I'm serious. So I just want to say something real quick

to my pastor. you told me when I was a kid, when I was a little baby, that there was going to be a moment that we would just know. We would just know. You said your soul would be tired. All of our souls would be tired. And that's how we know it's time for him to rain on in. Rain on in.

Oh, Lord. Rain on in. You know, I think we're to that point, man. This was the breaking point for you. This was the breaking point. This was the breaking point. If you ain't got enough money to stay at the travel lodge, stay, I'm going to want to have at home.

All right. But having been to an All-Star weekend, is it that serious? Is the desperation that's high to be there where you got to rent out a U-Haul and live in it just to say you were there? I mean, if you're renting out a U-Haul, then you don't have money to get into the parties.

You don't have a section. You might. I don't know. I'm about that girl. I don't understand. They're girls. So they can get into the party. You know how that goes.

Uh-uh. Uh-uh. All-Star weekend, you just being a girl does not count. That's not true. It does. That's not true. Yes, it does.

You want me to call a party promoter right now? They don't let every girl in. They let that. Babi-ba-Bub-Batis. If you're a blah-bub-but-bat, Rachel, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on for a second. Are you telling me that you're a general admission lady?

No, I don't. Oh, I was about to say. I wouldn't have thought that. I got it. Oh, okay. I got in and I walked past folks to get in. So that's what I'm just trying to say. Not everybody to get.

All-Star is another level. All-Stars another level. Most of the time, the ladies are going to get in these places for free, even on the All-Star. The fellows, I once spent $100 to get into a club on All-Star weekend. It's more than that now, I'm sure. Not now, though. Now, now they let me, they let your boy in. They say, Slater, I did the band.

We love you. Come on, Dickfella. We got your table right here, Mr. Lathen. Mr. Lathen. Oh, hey, Mr. Lathen. Come on over here, boy. We got your table right here. You want a nice prime T-Bone steak, Mr. Lathen?

Come on in, baby. We got you. Where's this club? Where's this club? Where's this club with this accent? Stop. Okay. Oh, we have some very, very unfunny and stressful news.

This week, one of the most consequential trials that I can remember in a long time is about to start. This is the trial of Derek Chauvin. Derek Chauvin is facing manslaughter and second-degree murder charges in the death George Floyd. Okay. So, the start of the jury selection was delayed because they were going back and forth about another charge, but we are getting ready to get into this. Okay. So here's a deal.

I want everybody to hold their breath and understand what's going to happen right here. Over the next couple of weeks, we are going to say, see an energy shift that's almost going to be kind of like things were this past summer. It won't happen during the trial, but the closer we get to the end of the trial, there's going to be intense pressure for the jury to convict Derek Travin on both charges, on both charges. Okay. Now, that doesn't mean in any way.

that I don't want anything but justice to be served. I think if justice is served, it'll be pretty clear what the verdict will be in this. I think we all saw that. But I am not worried, but anxious. I'm anxious about this. Because my soul has seen so many times guys walk from situations. like this. And in this particular one,

I am not even scared that he'll get off. My energy is more like I wish a motherfucker would. Yeah. And I think there are a lot of people in the country

that feel that way. And even as I, even as I say this right now, like I feel my lexapro kicking in. I'm being honest with you. I feel like, anybody that's on an SSRI knows, like I feel my body pushing my emotion down

because I just can't imagine what things would be like if the trial went left. I can't. I'm like you. I can't see them not convicting him. I think that's also the importance of getting this other charge, third degree murder.

put in because if they don't vote on one, they can do the lesser included charge. And so I think that it's, they need to get this on the book. Not that anybody wants to see him be convicted of third-degree murder, but people want to see him convicted because never has a white police officer been convicted for killing a black person in the state of Minnesota.

That's important. And so people are watching this trial in the same way that they've watched other trials. for me, it takes me back to Trayvon, to be honest with you. I know it wasn't a police officer, but it just takes me back to then. We were all waiting. We were all watching. People are watching because this will set a precedent, right?

What kind of message are you sending out? When you see what happened to George Floyd in such a public way, such an arrogant way, where there's no denying that wrongdoing was not done in that moment, yet you still decide to side, possibly if it goes the other way, side with the police officer. What hope do we have that we will ever, you know, be able to get anything from police officers? We need this. We need a conviction to, I'm not saying that it'll completely restore the faith in the legal system or with police officers, but it's a step that these officers are, will be held accountable for their wrongdoings. And it will motivate police officers who are watching that they need to act.

act right, that you don't have the liberty to just kill us in such a public way and get away with it. And that's the message that this trial will be sending depending on how they decide to convict. The other thing is, or if they decide to convict, they're going to have a really hard time with jury selection. This could take a while because they didn't remove the trial. It's still there. A lot of times they'll remove the trial to a different county. You saw the same thing happen with OJ. They wanted to remove the trial because they didn't think that there could be a fair trial because so many people know about this case. It's so public. I've got to have a hard time picking jurors who are not biased. I mean, and you're really depending on the jurors to make that,

you're taking their word is true, right? So you can strike somebody, you can strike, you have an unlimited amount of strikes for cause, right? For example, if I'm like, hey, I had a family member who died in that exact same way. They'd be like, she can't be on the jury. And you and you can strike as many times as you want to for that. People are lying if they're saying that they're not impacted one way or the other by what happened to George Floyd because everybody knows about it. And we all have these preconceived notions and feelings wrapped around what we saw for not days, not weeks, but months. We're still continuing to say George Floyd's name. Everybody's coming in with some sort of bias. I don't know how this jury selection is going to go. I don't, I'm more worried

about that and them getting the right jury to make the right decision in this case. It's going to be tough. They definitely have their work cut out for them, but, you know, well, that makes me anxious. That it's in the hands of the jury. You want to sit with something real quick? Let's real quick. You want to sit in a serious way? You want to sit with something real quick?

What? Let's just sit with something. Us and our audience out there as you listen to what we're talking about. Jackson, Trudy, sit with this. We're going to, something just happened to you and to me, and we're going to name it right here. Therapy talk. Look how scared we are. Look how, like, look how afraid we are.

And I don't say this in a way that this is a negative thing or a positive thing. I say this as just a remarkable moment that we're in. A trial was starting for a crime that was committed that we saw. What you and I just did as almost second nature, almost as a reflex, is we just regurgitated trauma from times past that we've been through this. We just stopped for a second, the complete momentum of who we were and what we were talking about, and just drug up all of the failings of the system that is supposed to be working for Americans. And just discussed them.

We brought Trayvon's name back up. We talked about the fact that this has never happened before. We talked about what would happen when we are, if we are, should I say, if and when, should I say, we are inevitably disappointed by the criminal justice system. What that outcome is going to be, how we're going to feel.

All of those feelings, we just lived them. And it haven't happened yet. During the future, we just, like, we just lived them. And I just want people that are listening. I want people to kind of, not just us to sit with that, I want you to sit with that too. Think about what it would be like, to live your life that way.

Yep. And I'm going to tell you why, Van, and this is where I could get emotional. I can't see the other side of it. If he's not convicted, I can't even see, I can't move past that, right? Like, I can't, if he is not held accountable

for what he did to George Floyd, I can't see beyond that. I can only see a conviction, and my mind stops there. I can't imagine what it is going to be like to function the next day. What people like what this world, oh my gosh, what this world will be. Like how you have faith in humanity and hope for a better future. Everything that we went through, I mean, we've been going through it beyond 2020,

but specifically just over this last year because people woke up and saw the world in a different way. It almost is as if it meant nothing. I can't see beyond if he's not convicted I just can't my mind doesn't even function that way he has to be convicted I can't see it any other way

I can't I want to stop talking about this You won't cry with me you won't cry with me no no no no I might have nightmares let's take a break real quick

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So Papa John, Papa John, like, okay. Talk about a loss of faith that you've been. Why do we laugh so much when stuff is like this? You have to. You got to have to pain. So Papa John is back. is back.

You know what's crazy about Papa John, man? I used to love Papa John's pieces. That's so gross. They put the toppings, the cheese on top of the toppings. That is gross to me. They do what? When they used to make pizza, I don't know if they still do because you know how I feel about cheese,

but it used to be cheese, the toppings, and the cheese would be on top of it. That is so gross to me. No, they don't. Yes, they did. No, no, they don't. Maybe they don't need more. They did what now?

They do what? They just say, describe it again? So, like, if you have a pepperoni pizza, you couldn't really see the pepperoni because they were putting cheese on top of it. And it's just too much for me. That's cap. That's...

Not in Texas. Not in Dallas. That is 100% cap. I'm not making this up. Why would I lie about that? Okay? Why would I lie?

Oh, my God. That is not true. You want me to call a Papa Johns right now? Talk to the, yeah, yeah. Call. Call him. Call Papa Jones. Hey, nigger.

Hey, it's us. Hey, it's us here, Papa Johns, nigger. What are you on? Tell me the story why you chef. We got a brand new fried chicken pizza. Let the thought of yours know. We don't have any pineapple to go on your pizza, but we have some delicious watermelon, nigger.

All right. So this is. So look, this is the headline. Papa John's founder and since he isn't racist, said it was a goal to get rid of this N-word in my vocabulary. Jesus Christ. God. I tell you, man, it's time for Jesus.

Rain on end. That this might be it. So he went on the own. How you say it's the O-N-N-O-N? Own? The own? Oh, yeah. One American. Oh, A.N. One A.N. Because it's not on.

Because shout out, Oprah. And he talked about the fact that, you know, I don't know if you guys know, but back in the day, Papa John got into a little. He got, not a little, he got, they canceled Papa John. Yeah, rightfully so. Because he said the end word, right? And so, Papa John, who is such a. cartoon character. He looks like the evil baron of pizza. He has, like he's always wearing the costume, like a Papa John shirt. His eyebrows are super thick, like super thick. He was like a pizza villain,

like a pizza demon. He said that he went through 20 months of intense training so that he could Stop saying the N-word. Why don't you know this publicly? Know your audience, right? You know your audience. Only on O-A-N could you say something like this. Right. Right.

He said, yeah, he went through 20 months. He had to learn, want to get to the bottom of why that N-word was in his vocabulary and then why he would use it. I think I know why, but he just wanted to deal with it. So no, 20 months, no N-word. He's not racist. And it was a goal to get rid of the N-word in his vocabulary. And he says that he worked with someone and he got rid of the N-word.

Rachel, what are your thoughts? My first thought is, where Shaq? For all those people who are being paid to represent Papa John's, because he stepped down from one position, I'm not sure, but he still owns the whole thing. I would not want my name affiliated with Papa or John. I mean, it's just, it's, I need these people to speak out, you know, as a person who is affiliated with several brands, I would have to let this one go. What kind of, how deeply rooted was the N word in your well-being, your vocabulary, your thoughts for you to go through not 20 months, but intense training?

What does that even look like? What were the follow-up questions? Where's Oprah when you need her? Follow-up questions as to what did that entail? Who did you sit down and talk to? What was the process like? Can you take us through that? I have more questions.

Who is the N-word training? How do you get that job? Ask Chris. Ask Chris. These race educators. Race educators. That's what they're calling them now. You can be a race educator?

That's what Chris said. Chris Harrison said, he's working with the race educator and then he threw out Michael Eric Dyson. We should have him on this show to explain what that entails. I'm going to call Dr. Dyson. I need to know how you get one of these race educator bags. I think you could do it.

I definitely could do it. Can you imagine? You know what? Like, you know it'll be my first, you know it'll be my first lesson as an inward race educator? What? This would be my first educated. This is my first lesson.

let's say I'm educating Papa John on uses of the N-W. The first thing I would do is I would have Papa John from his phone number text me the N-word, right? Okay, okay. I would then screenshot it and tweet it out. That's what I would do. I would then screenshot it and tweet it out

and be like, yo, look with this motherfucker, Papa John just sent to me. Right? If you can't learn, if you can't learn not to say the N word after that, nothing can help. Forget about being on a hot mic. I would say, I would have him say the most racist. I'm like, hey, man, say this to me. We're just trying, we're doing an exercise.

We're just trying to get all of it out. We're just trying to get all of it out. I'd have him send the most racist sentence he could. And then I'd be like, yo, man, look how I was just abused by Papa John. And then I would tweet it out. After that, that's got to be your last N word. I thought you were going to say it was a trick. It was a trick.

Like you were going to tell him to say it. And the trick was if he said, no, I no longer use that word. No. I thought that's what you were going to say. No, because that would never happen. No, it wouldn't. Not when you need 20 months. That will never happen.

20 months of antit. People become commercial pilots. That means you said it all the time. People become commercial pilots. Faster. faster than it took for Papa John. People get basic training on the military. Navy SEAL training.

You know how many things? 20 months of training can get you. You know what that tells me? He didn't want to stop saying it. That's what that is. You didn't want to. You wanted that word. You wanted to keep that word.

I'll tell you something. If you take 20 months, maybe he did. I don't know. I don't know Papa John's heart. I will tell you this, though. You can learn a lot about. people sometimes from their related articles.

These are the related articles under this Papa John's article right here. So this is, these are related article. Papa John's founder, Trash for TikTok Tour of Mansion. Papa John clarifies eating 40 pizzas and 30 days comment. Wife of Papa John's founder files for divorce.

Those are the three. All right. Yeah, y'all still eat his pizza. Still eat the pizza. All right, it's time for, it's time for, uh, it's time for, the Van Lathan question of the week. All right?

Are you ready? No, because last time I was trashed. I feel like whatever I say is not going to be acceptable. But go ahead. All right. This one's a different one. This is one that's a personal preference. So it can't be something that's unacceptable.

So was the last one. No, that wasn't a personal preference. That wasn't. That was you putting on for the whole world. If you can't see what you were wrong, how you ever going to know when you're right? Man, somebody told me sexual healing, and I said, that's a really good song. That was a great answer.

That was a great answer. Okay, go ahead. All right. This is something that I've long thought about and talked about it. You might not have an answer for this. Okay. Name one celebrity that you simply cannot picture having sex. No matter how hard you try.

I know what mine is. Let me hear yours. Gilbert Gopry. I just can't picture. I can't picture Gilbert Goprey. I can't. Gilbert Gophrie, do you know who that is?

No, I'm like, I'm good. I want to see. I can't picture. Real time. I'm about to see this. I can't picture Gilbert Gophrie. I can't. Is it the voice?

Is it because of his voice? It's kind of the voice. It's like, ah, bring that ass over here. You know what I mean? It's like, I can't picture Gilbert Goffrey. And it's weird because. I don't know how this just jumped in my mind

that's happening at TMZ years ago. And Gilbert Godfrey walks in or no, he's on TMZ live, he's up there, he's doing this whole GILB, it's me, Gilbert Gauthored, the whole deal. And I'm thinking to myself, he can't be getting no ass with that. Like, who's fucking on Gilbert?

Maybe he role plays. Maybe they have him role plays. I got to be honest with you. The reality is that Gilbert Gauthier, Goply, has probably had so much more sex than me it's probably not even close Giffrey probably has had so much

so much more sex than me you know what I mean but I just can't picture I can't picture it It's like this is the picture that popped up When he had looked up And it's like Look at that Look I'm not

It has nothing to do with his looks by the way It's the mannerisms It's the voice I get it He seems like a cartoon character and you can't picture cartoon characters You might as well said Pee We Herman.

You might as well said Pee We Herman. I can't see Peeway. I disagree. Oh, you can see Pee We? Pee We, I can definitely see Pee We. Not just because of what happened in the theater, but also because both in Peewee's Big Adventure and Peewee's and Big Top Peewee,

the girl from Big Top Peewee, the woman, is beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful. And he always showed that he was getting it with the ladies in these movies. Peewee was doing this thing.

Think about it. Everybody out there think about it. The one celebrity, you just can't picture it going down. You just can't picture it happening. Maybe like James Corden. Disrespectful. also my answer's got to be disrespectful

James Gordon is a young he's a young perfectly married man James Gordon It's not that you it's just more of like it's a mannerism thing that I'm thinking like He's so playful he's everybody's best friend I can't see him like turning it to be like sexual like he's everybody's best friend

is what I'm saying I'm thinking of people who friends own themselves So you think James Corden, you can't, you can't think of James Corden, you just can't see him having sex. He's so friendly. I just, I can't see it. I'm not saying he can't. It's just something I'm picking one. Oh, he definitely has.

Yeah, I know. Yeah. Oh, okay. That's it. By the way, before we get off of the podcast, I think it is a, that I tell you that Samuel L. Jackson in no way is related to the royal family.

I, like, you know, Samuel L. Jackson is in no way related to the royal family. I don't know. Rach, I'm really, I'm really, really more about you

than it is me at this point. Wait, wait, wait. Here's the problem. I kept telling you I had never heard this before. I told you, it's not like I, imagine if I had lied and been like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I read that story before. I was honest.

Never heard it. Rachel, I can't believe you ever heard this. Never have I heard this. And I'm like, okay, maybe he did one of those, those Henry, Henry Lewis Gaines, Jr. Travel on the PBS show and found out that he had some type of link. Somebody, some slave owner was linked to the royal family. Somebody came over here.

that's what I thought it was. What's the, what's the show? Finding your roots. What's it called? I forgot when he would sit down with people. That's how I reasoned my head. I'm like, okay, maybe he was linked in this way. That's why, but I wasn't going to argue with you because to my knowledge, I had never heard this.

So I guess I won't be calling Zoe. No, you're not going to call Zoe. I should have stopped doing that to me. I should have let you do it. Oh, but now if I told you, okay. No, I don't know. If I told you, this is what you're turning me into. If I told you, if I told you that,

the late 60s, Samuel L. Jackson stormed the Morehouse University administration office. I know that's true. And took Martin Luther King, Jr. But he took his dad hostage.

Didn't we talk about this? Jesus. Took his dad, took MLK Jr.'s dad hostage. Wow. I know this to be true. Rural family? No.

All right. All right. I can't stand you. Listen, guys, I hope that you guys, there's so many people that stop the podcast to, like, Google that. There's so many people. You guys got to be a own-uptake. Ha-ha.

When we're talking about all these different things and we've got to be quick on-up take. Listen, you guys, take breaks. Make sure you're being good with yourself this week. Self-care. Is that a premium? We're not going to talk about Congress passing the stimulus checks because it shouldn't be breaking news

whenever Congress does exactly what they're supposed to do for the American people. Stop holding it into such a low standard. Fucking fix it. So the reality is that people out there are starving and give them the relief that they need.

All right. Take things caps off. Do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen. I'm Rachel Lindsay. We out. Bye.