Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Hip-Hop vs. Rap and a Discussion on a Woman’s Worth With Glasses Malone

Episode Date: August 26, 2022

Van and Rachel are joined by rapper Glasses Malone to discuss what it was like growing up in gang life (4:29), the impact of Drill Music and hip-hop vs. rap (18:54), and finding “value” in a modern woman (42:40). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Glasses Malone Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Glass and Malone is on the podcast. Glassis, come on the city. This is you. Oh, yeah. We're going to switch. We're going to switch. Hosted a no ceilings podcast with Glasson Malone. Rapper.

Entropo nigger. All around shit stir and troublemaker. Glasses Malone is on higher learning today. My brother. How are you doing? Rachel's taking a second to get everything. Who did you bring with you, Glasses? My old name.

Hey. How are you? We've never met before. Me and Glasses. Have you ever heard me and Glasses on the phone screaming at each other before? Been here. Me and Tom's. Glasses.

Don't you tell people a little bit about who you are or where you come from? I'm definitely that guy. If you say, naked two is going to end up bad. Go right from there. Definitely that person. Right. But you're from here in L.A. Born and raised.

Born to raise. What part? Compton and W. Compton and Watts. Yeah. And what was growing up in L.A. like for you? Fun. It was a ton of fun.

Let's see. You're going to get pushed to every level, you know, of physical fitness and mental toughness. Every horrible, pure pressure you can imagine is right there. It was fun though for the most part 90% was fun Every Yeah How'd y'all meet?

Through Charlemagne Through Charlemagne Yeah Through Charlemagne And Charlemagne knows that when you put Charlamagne knows that when you put Two opinionated Combustible type individuals

Together a friendship will brew And plus I'm just obsessed With somebody that I can't agree with Agree with on nothing about y'all don't agree on anything we agree on 90% of the thing then just um he finds ways to make it where it seems not agreeable I think he just takes a lot of like back roles to

simple ideas just because could be being his podcast co-hosts I would agree with that could be could be but like when I first came out here like I actually was a huge fan of glasses glasses. I was hearing glasses everywhere with, you know, with your career and how things were blowing up. And so later on, I was really excited to meet you. Tell us about your rap career and all the twists and turns that that took. I got a lot of advantages. I probably didn't deserve a record deal. I didn't know much about rap music. I was just articuling enough and survived enough

stuff to rap about it. Birdman was a huge fan. Mac 10 passed him. my music, back to him from Englewood. They loved it. They gave me this record deal. It was pushing these songs. And to me, I'm just doing what I do. You know, just explaining who I am to everybody. But I didn't have a real appreciation for the culture that is hip hop or, you know, how we frame it or rap.

Or rap music in general. I didn't really even, like, I listened to rap music. It was just the music. Like, I didn't even go to concerts before I started rapping. Never. Interesting. Like, never. So what made you just?

decide to take that path in. If you really didn't have an interest in it, what made you say, you know what? This is the road I want to go down. I was selling PCP every day, honestly. So it was profitable, but I started seeing where it was going to go. Like, I was either going to be filthy rich or in prison or pretty much dead. It was that serious. So I wanted to start a record company.

That was my goal. And I just could rap. So it was the business part of it. You know, I wanted a new trap, a new spot. Like I watched a couple guys that I seen before me, you know, Shug Knight, EasyE. You know, he was hearing stories of Birdman, stories of these people that came from the same type of background that started record labels. And I had an earful music. I knew what was good and what was bad.

So I was just the rapper that was available, but it just worked out for me. What was it like growing up in Watts? It was fun. It was fun. Where from Watts are you at? 100 to 17th Street. So 100 to 17th Street right across the street from the Imperial Courts. Yeah.

The projects. What kind of, and everybody that knows you knows you from. Seven Street, Watch Crip. Seven Street Watch Crip. So what, I was in Chicago doing hip-hop homicides, right? And when I, you did hip-hop, homicize when he was here in L.A. It was in Santana. We was in Santana.

We was in Compton when we did that. But I was in Chicago and I was asking people in Chicago, I was like, at what age did you, like, join the game with BDs, GD, stones, whoever it is out there. Shout to my Chicago. People shout out to Chicago. I shout to Chicago. I shout out to everybody in Chicago. But, like, and they go, I never did.

You just end. You just end. Was that the same way that it was? Yeah. A real gang member is just, you're just in. It's not really anything. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean you have to do something wrong with your life.

You're from the neighborhood you're from. That's just simple as that. Before I ever referenced myself as a Seventh Street watch, we would go swimming at Mona Park, which is the neighboring gang. They had a park in their community. And we'll go walk over there. We'll go swimming. Oh, that's the boys from Seven Street.

The Imperial Court Housing Projects, the PJ Watts Crip, We'll go buy food from out the liquor store. Oh, that's them boys from 7th Street. It's just how it goes. So friends. Van has, Van talks about you a lot on the podcast, so it's nice to have you here in studio. Thank you. And in like high regard.

But he always talks about how he talks to you, whenever we're talking about something that has to do with gangs or L.A., he's always mentioning you and your perspective on it. I know that you had some comments to. towards Mace about things that he said in a negative way in regards to gang life. When Van talks about the way you talk about it, it's in a very positive way. Can you talk a little bit about that for people who aren't as familiar with that side? Yeah, that's the main side. Like, you know, if any poor community, you don't really know you poor.

I don't think we even pay attention to that. Like, if you grew up somewhere where it's poor, you don't really know you poor. It's fun. It's pretty much these are the activities you do. Just like being from a gang, it's the people that raise you your whole life. You see them. You know, some homies, moms is on drugs. You know, they come to your house to eat.

You know, y'all hustle together to make sure everybody can eat. What somebody might look at is gang violence could be me and, you know, my homeboy walking to the store to get some food. We go in the Denny's in the shopping center. We share one shopping center, so it's always active right there. maybe he this girl liked him and this guy from this other community like the girl and they going to jump on him and I stand up and fight with him you know it's just normal stuff it's really love most of it is love what percentage of gangbanking is love probably 90% 90% yeah if you

think about it like there's a um they sensationalize the violence but it's not shooting more than a hundred times a year in the community I mean I know that seems like that's a huge number. That's a lot of fucking shooting. I'm saying, no, I'm saying it's not that much. It's not that much. It's not that much. It's not shooting all the time.

It's pretty much fun or partying all the time and goofing around or people trying to figure out how to make good with their day. But when you talk about that love, you're talking about the love within your own gang, not with other gangs. Or are you? Even with other gangs. Okay, can you talk about that?

Like, we would play football against the Imperial Courts, the PJ Crips. A ton of great games. The Mona Parks, ton of great games. Maybe you're trying to start hustling. And, you know, it was a guy on 118th Street.

His name was Fern. You know, I don't know if I should be saying his name. Fern might still be hustling. But Fern, like, like I might have bought five pounds of weed

when stressed weed was a thing. And five pounds might have cost $350 a piece. And, but I wanted 10. He'd be like, all right, well, just give me, you know,

the money for the five and I'd give you the other five. It's always love. Right. It's more love than hate or any of the things that TV or the new sensationalizes. The playoffs are here, and you can predict the action all the way to the finals with Fandul predicts. Predict the spread, total points, and even the game winner.

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And sometimes violence just happens upon people that might have not endeavored into violence. Yeah, that's being a trooper is definitely pushed upon you. Like you, you're going to end up being a trooper. If you, if you're, if you're going out and enjoying yourself a little too much and you festive in other people's community, you're going to turn into some level of trooper, whether it's fighting, whether it's shooting. But, uh, I just think like, if you're, not a part of it, yes.

You look at it like it's the most heinous thing like I tell you in Charlemagne, it seems in like, oh my God, I cannot how are they surviving this? And it's weird because y'all are from poor communities and you kind of have the same exact thing. We don't have any gangs though. You have gangs. They just don't say bloods or crips.

Yeah, we have. They have the same gangs. We have. We have. They fight. They shoot. We fight. Yeah, we have. People die. But you know, you know, we just didn't have the movies. We don't have. But you just don't have boys in the hood or menace and society. But you know what we don't have though.

We don't have people that like, so there's nothing to opt into. So I'll put to you like this. So I'm from, I'm from Gardia Lane, right? And you're from Guardia Lane. And some people might think Guardia Lane is a sufficient hood

to be from. Some niggas might be like the niggas from G. That's just, yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's where it goes. And there's a sign. We throw a sign.

Yeah, of course. And y'all might got y'all little shirt with your initials. The whole situation. The whole situation. situation, right? But the thing is, you're, there are people from Gardia Lane who have nothing to do. Like, you don't, there's, like, you're not going to not be able to go into our neighborhood or across SkySell or across GSRI or across Gardia. Right. You're not going to be able to not go there if you're from somewhere else. I go to, I just literally name multiple

communities. I go to the Mona Parks. We were swimming and play basketball there. We go to the PJs, ham sandwich from the Pink Store. There's a Jordan's right there. We would walk to Hawkins, which is a little further by the Knickinson Guard. You go where you go? But there are places where if you from a rival hood and they're enemies over there, you can't go there because you're going to get presses. Is that true or false? Is that true or false to you tell me?

Yes, but it's true because maybe at one other time in life, something happened, right? Like maybe somebody's brother got killed. And then now they started to go to war over it. You know, they couldn't find an amicable solution. So now they're fighting and somebody else got shot. Somebody else got shot and somebody got killed. And now was three or four dead people because of this war. And that could actually, you know, hover there for maybe, you know, time.

It could take time. Like the 60s and their trades is never over because so many people died. But here's a perfect example. My older homies, they would be with the Palm and Oak Landwood Crips. Right. Right. It was bad. A couple people got.

shot. I don't think anybody died. I'm not sure it's before my time, but we meet palm and oaks all the time, and it's good. My generation and younger. DeMona Parks, my older homies, they grew up with the motor parks, my oldest homies. That was their thing together. And then the next generation had problems. And then my

generation, it was fine. And now the generation younger than me, they fight. Right. If it's 90% love, who do you blame for sensationalizing? gang culture. See, gang culture and this is another... Is it wrong to say gang culture?

Well, because violence is just more of a human being issue. You know what I mean? And gang culture seems to get wrapped into violence. And it's not. It's a... Gang culture is not that. But it does get violent. But that's the human experience.

But I was telling Charlemagne and Van, I don't know why human beings hang on to violence. They just hang on to it all the time. That's their thing. like, oh, it's the violence. So, but if I'm being honest... What do you mean by that? You don't mean while we hang on the violence, which I mean?

It's like you find the one thing and then you make that the whole thing. It's like when we was talking about particular, we were talking about drill music in Chicago. And you're like, oh, it's just people talking about killing each other. It's like, no, it's people talking about doing what it takes to survive in these jungles. And how we hear it is two different ways because I understand what they're saying and know what it feels like to have to be at war with another community versus where you or see maybe like. Well, they just rap about Kenya. No, they're talking about these are their enemies. It's like you wouldn't say that if you heard, like if a Russian man came out with a CD

and he was dissing Ukraine, he was like, yeah, you know, you would understand that it was a war, but you reduce it into why these people are fighting this to senseless or you don't understand. So that's why it comes across that way. So a couple of things here. Number one, what's happening in Russia between Russia and Ukraine is absolutely senseless, right? No, that makes sense. It makes sense How about this?

It makes sense from a geopolitical... Everything makes sense. Everything can be made to make sense for someone. That doesn't mean that in the construct of the society that we set

that it's appropriate, right? So let me... But that little part right there, though. So this is what I mean, though. Society, we talk about what is and what isn't a construct. Everything is a construct. Every single thing is a construct, right?

So when we're all hanging around, we're doing whatever we're doing, we're out in the woods or whatever it is that we're doing, eventually somebody says, all right, you know what the best way for us to move forward is? We agree. Yeah, the best way for us to move forward is I dropped the seed in the ground. The seed came up. The fruit off, the fruit off that seed is mine. You'll have yours over there, and I won't go over here, you won't go over there, you won't go over there. Now, the minute somebody says, fuck it. I'm going to take whatever I want, which is what always ends up happening anyway.

The minute somebody says, fuck, and I'm going to take whatever I want, they're breaking the agreement that we've made. That's what civilization is based upon, a set of agreements. So for me, when I look at what's happening in the Ukraine, it doesn't make sense because it's an attack on a sovereign nation that hasn't attacked you. And that, to me, is a violation of not just international law, but about the way that we've sort of, decided to live. And when I look at what's happening in Chicago, it makes even less sense because they aren't fighting over anything.

Like, they're fighting over something. No, no, no, no, no. It's like how we start talking about before, the word, the N word. Like, that's just a simple word, but that could get somebody killed. Yeah, but the difference between that is, the difference between me and that is,

number one, that is from somebody that's outside of my community. What I'm looking for, like, there is a natural separation. We are, to me, with white people, we are in a cold war with them based upon history. Where are we? I think so. Well, you got it.

You got it. Right. But to me, the thing in Chicago is like, and you make a fair point, but what I would say about the difference between the thing in Chicago is that they are literally killing each other. Yes. Like brothers and people, like, it's four blocks that separate O block from 603. But the belief is that, you know, poverty. Okay, so the belief is that we're all the same. But if you understand poverty, right, the most, the more you understand it, you realize

how small that becomes when you start believing you share cultural, you know, likeness. Yeah. Like, on the east side, gang banging is really small. So, like, poverty makes things seem like they're way further than they are. Right. Like, the PJs is a mile away. Think about it. A gang war in Los Angeles.

every big gang war you've heard about, right, since you've been here and we always talk about it, the 60s and they trace. They're neighbors. They're literally neighboring communities. 20s and Insane's are neighboring communities. Hoover's and Denver Lanes. Denver Lanes and Raymond's are neighboring communities, right? That's why the wars are as bad as kind of publicized. But if it's a war between the PJs and the 60s, it won't last two days.

Because they're not going to run into each other. They're not going to run into each other. other and don't nobody got enough gas to be going back and forth. Oh my gosh. I'm going to ask a really dumb question. No, it's not going. You have names so many different, like groups, gangs, community. I'm confused.

I don't even know how you keep up and know who's who and what and who's good with who. You know it's funny. It's almost unbelievable how you just know. And you everywhere you go, you know where you at. And I don't, if it's a party over there, I won't say, oh, it's a party on like how you said. Just like anybody else in any community, that's a poor community. I won't say, oh, there's a party on Harvard in 92nd. I'm like, oh, there's a party in the Raymond's.

Oh, there's a party in the movies. Glass is sent me a map or Google Map. That's what I mean. It's pretty bad. I actually, that's crazy. Yeah, a Google Map with every gang in every single set. I'm like, God damn.

And there's some games, you see why they're so agro because they surround it by enemies. And you're like, I see why these dudes always want to fuck the party up. because they got to walk around mad everywhere. But I'll get you back to... But it's a little bit more tricky, but yes. Let me get back to drill music real quick. So this is my thing about drill music. Sure.

My thing about drill music is that like... I don't have a problem with drill music. I like the way drill music sounds. I listen to drill music. But drill music, to me, parts of drill music, specifically dissing the dead, specifically dissing the dead. It subverts something that I feel like to a degree

that we've always had, which was a source. certain cultural decorum that dictated the way we interacted with each other, at least on a macro level, right? So let's say that on a micro level, let's say that me and you are in a room and somebody got killed over there, whatever, whatever, and we're in a room somewhere and we were going to laugh about it. I would never do that, but I know that you would.

No, I was just too. I'm just a funny joke. And we were going to laugh about it, right? That would be something that people do. people do that type of shit all the time people be low down but there was at least on a macro level and understanding that that type of behavior was deviant and almost demonic to a way that to me like was an accelerant to things that have already happened so if somebody runs out and they're your brother and you say because what we're always looking for is a way is is a mold

or a sort of conduit to fix these issues, right? Well, I am. I don't know who else is it. So we're- 99% of people are definitely- Well, I'm looking for a way to be able to tell people to stop. Sure. Even if the other side killed your hood,

killed your friend, it's doubly difficult to get any type of peace from it if they killed him and then they said, fuck him, rest in piss. Now you can't ever. stop because they directly challenged you to keep it going forever. And that's the thing that we're, that's the thing

that I kind of don't understand and I would wish they would just stop doing that. And maybe in a half a generation or a generation, we could fix it. But if they keep that up, we never will. But that's not why they're doing it. It's definitely not why. But it's to me, it's not why they're doing it. Why they're doing it goes back way further than that. But it is a slightly newer development because they didn't always do that. And it is something now that to me is making

things progress a lot faster. They've always done that. You just never heard it in rap music. That's what I'm saying now. But that's not what's... They know what's really going on. It's not the music. The music is just the new brick wall. Like we've been writing Rest and Piss. We've been kicking candles over. We've been

whacking people out. All that stuff. You've been doing this stuff. It's all old stuff because it's a level of poverty where you just kind of trying to show somebody that this is why they shouldn't mess with you. You are on another level of violence and you will bring this upon them if they don't

leave you be. But rap music and celebrity is an accelerate to everything though. It can make you look richardy. It used to be sure. It's very deceiving. Most times it always is deceiving. But it's just now the new

brick wall is rap. We refer to everybody as rappers when they die because they have three rap songs. It's like calling somebody a walker because they walked. They don't walk a marathon, but they're walkers because they walk down the street. So it's just a new name for some. People are making rap songs just to be gang members. Like that's a part of some people's community gaming. I want to make a rap song just putting on for the homies and dissing these niggas. That's just gang banging. That's a part of the same

thing. So back in the day, most artists were just rappers. You know what I'm saying? They weren't, you know, necessarily like direct representative. Ice Cube wasn't a direct representative of just 111 culture. He was a representative of all Los Angeles culture. Now that's being reduced down to somebody as a direct representative of just this.

Almost every set has a rapper. Like in Mexico, Coritos. Every cartel has their own singer. So it's the same thing. It's old. It's not really new. I don't know.

I just thinking some people complaining about that was already there. Most people are fighting because they just, is poor. This is not, if this was true, these things would affect middle class communities out of much, much worse, you know, that's who's consuming the music. That's who's consuming the music. So, who gives the shit if it affects them? Like, I'm talking about what's happening in the places where people don't have, I'm talking about, I'm sorry, Rachel, go ahead.

No, go ahead. What I'm saying, what I'm saying is it is definitely not going to affect them because they're not at risk. Well, it's not, but that's the point. That's the only people who listen to the music that can be influenced. We're doing it. We was doing, the music is the music because of us. True. But the reality is that there has to be a holistic way to attack this problem. And attack poverty. And so you can attack poverty.

That's the only solution. Well, then why are some of these rappers that are super duper rich still involving in this? They're on dope. Well, they're not only are there. That's the only reason. Not only are they on dope, but there is a cultural edict. Bullshit. You don't think so?

No. They're on drugs. Bro. But, bro. Tell me one that's doing it sober. Like, but, first. First of all, I would know personally. First of all, I got to be honest with you.

And I'm not going to, I'm not saying this. I'm not saying this in any way to be disrespectful. Pock. Pock. Tupac is my favorite rapper of all time. Tupac is my favorite rapper of all time. Tupac is a deity to me. Pock was doing this thing.

Being this thing. Pock inserted himself into something that a, on behalf of a group of people, that he was never really put on with, that he never really... Of course he was put on with. They came and got him from prison when everybody left him there. That's fine.

So, but what I'm saying is, in that situation, him fucking around and dabbling in that and not just being a rapper and being so hardcore because he was such a person that was down for whoever he was down for. He was so loyal.

That kind of got him killed in the end. And so what I'm saying is, so what I'm saying is, there is, there's absolutely, absolutely poverty is the reason poverty and intentional American terrorism and dysfunction is the reason for all of this stuff. You are absolutely right. But there is a point for us, at least between us, where we have to look at how we are conducting

ourselves between one another. We don't need to be. So we have absolutely no responsibility. We share communities, but we have absolutely no responsibility to each other. Not in front of white people. I'm not talking about in front of white people. Because white people are looking at this right now. Oh, what do you mean?

So, no, we can't have this conversation in front of white people. Oh, this is, we black, bro. We can have this conversation. No, no, no, because white people are looking and they will think to themselves, see, it's their fault. They're blaming each other. Ain't nobody say that. They all say that. No, ain't nobody say that glasses.

They are all saying it. Ain't nobody say that. What I just said was, it's all they fault, but we do have a responsibility to each other. No. If the cameras are off, yes. If the cameras are off. He just gave the answer, though. He just gave you an answer.

I'm going to change the subject a little bit, but still stay on music. Something you said on your podcast. I have a lot of questions about some things you said on your podcast. Rachel thinks you're problematic. I'm definitely a problem. I have a lot of questions. But it was interesting because you were talking about hip-hop versus rappers. And you were saying that hip-hop is a culture.

Rapping is a language, and anybody could be a rapper. Sure. Does that mean, and I'm interested in how you would define hip hop. I think you kind of did a little bit on podcast. Yeah, street urban culture. So can a white person be in hip-hop? Punk rock had street urban people for years. I think Eminem is one of the people that I've studied the most that I'm like, oh, yeah, he's-

That's hip-hop. He's hip-hop. Okay. Like, there's a street urban place for white people. And, you know, street urban people that lived in the projects, you know, you start talking back in the 70s and the 80s in New York. So, you know, there's people that came up in the culture. So by your definition of hip hop, first of all, expound upon your definition of hip hop.

Street urban culture, you know, the way we talk in these places, in these street urban communities, right? Densely populated crime-written places. So it's got to have crime or it's not hip-hop. Yeah, not at all. I mean, the music doesn't have to have crime. The cultural... So if there's no crime and where the place came from, it's not hip-hop. Zero.

Yeah, no. Okay. Like, no, not at all. That's just rap. Okay. No, no, I'm just doubling down. Right. Yeah.

Okay. So by that, so is Jack Harlow hip hop? I literally was going to ask that question. You know, y'all, y'all know Jack Harlow. I don't do me like that. I'm asking you. But he would say he's a rapper. He makes easy listening rap music and it's fantastic.

It doesn't have to be hip hop to be good. It's true. Jack Harlow makes fantastic music. It's like elevator music. You can just listen to it. It's rap in the elevator. It's awesome. Why do I feel like, man?

Shout out to drama, man. I know, drama really. Shout out to drama, man. Shout out to drama, man. I love drama. Listen. Drama got at me about Jack Hall already when I posted the white boy. He didn't try to service.

He would try to service. I was on live one day and I didn't realize. Shout to drama, man. I was old. Man, I love. Drama is a cultural. Man, I love drama. But, you know, it's okay.

Like, I don't have to go with your marketing. You could be one of my favorite DJs like drama, and I'm not going with your marketing. You're not going to convince me that Colonel Sanders is a hip-hop artist. Did you just call it to Colonel Sanders? Bro, if you really think about it, like fried chicken, like, you know, fried chicken is soulful, but like that don't mean Kentucky fried chicken sell soulful. It's just different. They got greens and all kinds of soulful, right?

That don't mean they sell soulful. That's Jack Harlow's music. It's dope. Like, I like in touch. Kentucky. I like original recipe, Kentucky. I actually enjoy it. But somewhere along the line,

we feel like we need to make it ours to enjoy. Or we have to make it good to enjoy. I like a lot of bad things. I love candy. I know it's horrible at this point of my life, but it's, I enjoy it. Drama going to you. I know drama would be like,

I can't help it because it won't be nothing left for us. Because here's a thing, though. Because some people would say that if you reduce hip hop. Reduce. To the time reduce. You mean that you mean it's an exception. It's an exception. Right.

Everything has an exception, bro. Star Wars started off three movies. Star Wars, now I got movies, TV shows, cartoons, shorts, art, cosplay. Everything grows. Everything grows. So some people would say that if you reduce hip hop to only a reality, originating from places that are crime-written. Because every major American city is crime-written, right?

I agree. To a degree. So some people would say that if you reduce that, then it's, in a way, depowering it as an art form. That you can't, you know what I mean? Well, what makes hip-hop spectacular is it gave you a window into places you never could see before. Like you could never see what was going on in Queens in these places. no movies made about it. You had no idea about... It's not necessarily true. It is. Think

about it, right? If you think about the song, The Message, I didn't know what was going on in New York, you know what I mean? You have what's going on. I mean, there were people that were doing socially conscious music and there were movies. All of Blacksploitation was talking about what was going on in urban neighborhoods. Yeah, but Blacksploitation, again, are minor platforms and grand scale things, right? So this became the representation on the music front. Because black exploitation was the same thing. I'm glad you said that. It's one of the hardest decisions I had to make about Kanye West. Like Kanye West, what he represents through hip hop. I've seen it before.

So it's one of the newer times, right, where it's like Eddie Winslow, you know, like Theo Huxstable. So you're saying Kanye is like the Eddie Winslow of hip hop? 100. Yeah. I don't think you would have a problem with that. Yes, he would. But that's not the point. I don't mind him having a problem with it. It's true. It's like what he represents. You know what he represents. And it's dope.

But when you start representing outside of that, it's like at that point, then it becomes a parody of itself. It's a caricature. But see, God being for me to, and I'm taking up too much option, before being for me to defend Kanye. You don't have to.

Because I'm actually, Kanye West is hip-hop. Right. He's ours. Right. But I'm saying he's kind of the very, the last point of exit, right? Because we have seen his representation, the representation of what he does. We've seen it on television on major outlets.

Willis. Different strokes. Wait, but he's from the South Side of Chicago, though. He's from a crime written place. That's why I said he's hip-hop. But he's saying his hip-hop, though. It's just glasses know what he's doing. I'm not just what glasses does.

Is he like this? I really don't know what I'm doing. Yeah, I really don't know what I'm doing. Can we? Can I ask him one more question? Yeah, go ahead. So of the guys out right now that are that are rapping, what percentage of it? Okay, so like, who are the top five rappers in the world right now, I would say?

Drake, Drenc, J. Cole. Drake, Kendrick, J. Cole. Probably young boy. Young boy. Young boy. Yeah, boy. Battle of Root. Drake, Kendrick, J. Cole, young boy.

Who else we leaving out? We're leaving out somebody else. No, we're not. It's pretty good. Megan, probably. Probably be Megan. Okay. So all of those five of those people are hip hop.

Drake is definitely not hip hop. I was, I knew you. Drake is definitely. He's definitely not. He's definitely not. He's a middle class Canadian kid. That grew up Jewish in Canada.

And was on DeGrassey. It's like, no. So he makes fantastic rap music, though. Non-stop is one of my favorite gangster rap songs. It's just, do you don't think it's harsh to say that the dick is not a hip-hop? Why? Because this is what y'all do every time, man. But this is his definition of hip-hop.

And it's rooted in the closest thing to the facts. That's the point. Like, it's the everybody else just wants to be all-inclusive. Oh, everybody should be in. It's like, you got to understand. Well, think about it. The more you start allowing people that's not, they're going to choose white people. Like, if you keep scrubbing culture, they're going to choose white people.

Don't you think they're already doing that a little bit? That's because you guys are not just being. being honest saying it. That's why I demand that we have some kind of agreement because if we don't, they're going to choose white people. They'll be Kenny G. A man that's playing a saxophone over pop music, right? A man playing a saxophone over pop music is jazz. You know what I'm saying? Like, now a black person can't get a budget in jazz. Rock and roll. A black person can't get a budget in rock and roll because you guys are so all inclusive. That's the thing I love about being a gang members. I agree about that. We are not super. You cannot just be down. I guess in at times,

I even watching some of the gang members, different gangs, I'd be like, y'all just letting people in too easy. I was going to ask you that, not to take it back to that, but I was going to ask you if you think that this generation is different from the generation and maybe in the way that you said that they're a little bit more inclusive. No, they're not. Everybody just don't want to be frowned upon. Everybody's scared to be who they are or that's why they're always fighting. Oh, you should accept me. Like, as a gang member, you don't care. You just walk your walk. But as long as people are poor and these densely, like, it's still black people still poor. As people still poor in these communities? Hell, yeah. So hip hop still has a voice. It still, it still needs to be

an option for people that come from where we come from to let us know around the country what's going on. That's the only, I would have not knew there was an opioid epidemic in Atlanta if I'd never heard future. I would have not knew what was going on in Chicago if I didn't hear Chief Keith. That's a way of us to know what's going on with each other around this country. That's definitely true. And, you know, I was able to see Timberlins because of, you know, certain rappers in the 80s and 90s of New York. So I think that's important. And we have to keep it pure because the more we scrub it out, the country is going to choose white people every time. It's that this is. It's just what it is.

Why would they not? That's a good point. So is there a point to where is there an exploitation point? Is there a point to where like, because we always say your first album is for a lot of people, your truest album is not, people say that, but it's not true for everyone. But you get to a point to where you're rapping and I feel like, and this is where I feel like some of the responsibility comes in sometimes, there's a lot of times you get to a point to where you don't even. live in the community anymore that you don't you don't have the problems of the people in that community anymore you actually i wouldn't say that you probably still do have the problems because you still are tethered to a lot of people that might still be having those problems right so you

might still have people in your crew you might have family you might have other friends that you haven't been able to get out yet sometimes i feel like that it can't get to a point and this is with anything, right, to where what we're talking about is no more commentary on what's happening in the neighborhood. It's actually narrative creating on things that are going down in there that these

particular rappers might not even have any connection with. They might not even be there. Give me an example. I don't want to because I won't call anybody out. Oh, okay. But I get you. But I hear people all the time talking about going on drills or riding with sticks and I know they're not

doing that. That's right. I'm not saying that's Drake I'm saying because he did make that But I'm saying But that's not fair because Some content I literally wasn't talking about Drake No I'm saying

What's the Drake thing glasses? No it's not I'm saying some Some ideas become pop culture It's not negative It just becomes part of It's negative to say you ride With a stick looking for somebody to kill

Like I mean But by the way I'm not saying I wasn't even talking about Drake What I was saying? That's not I'm just saying Okay so you're talking about

somebody from the community I'm talking about Okay. Is it appropriation for us to keep making soulful even though we both make six and seven figures a year? No. So then what are we talking about? Because cuisine is to me. It's an aspect of culture.

But the reason we cook like that is because we had to. I love that. Here's a difference though. Like to me, behaviors and food are two different things. No. So like is it cultural? Is it cultural not to pay your phone bill? No.

Okay, right? It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a lot of money that you have. Sure. If you can no one's with no one's, well, no one would ever say that you're keeping it real by not paying your phone bill. No one would say that you were keeping it real by not even not even in the community all all things that happened to you organically. When you were poor and fucked up. Then why is talking about crimes that you may have committed in the past? and are not committing now.

Why is talking about affiliations that you don't have, drugs that you're not selling, all of that stuff. Why is that stuff? The food that you eat is actually one of the most important things going on. I know, but the reality is, yeah, I shop from Whole Foods now. I do. I go to Sprouse.

Every once in a while, they're going to have some fried chicken. I like it. But you don't think that. It's not every once in a while I'm going to pick up a gun and go and go drill someone. That's a negative thing. Have you ever drilled somebody? I'm not talking about that.

So that's the difference. So the difference is you're asking me, is there a time right now that I will be glasses alone from 7th Street? Yes. Right. But is there a time you should be glasses low from 7th Street? If you have, if you have moved out of that and you have Beverly Hills and you're doing all of this stuff now or wherever you stay, even if you got a big ass place in the,

shouldn't there be a time to where you no longer have to endeavor into violence or those things like that, that you put those childish toys behind you, especially if you made it out. So imagine the white people said, you know what, the time we was using that words was rooted also in you guys being slave. And it was a way for us to comprob you. So why would you complain about it today? You're in a position where you're making seven figures, six or seven figures a year. Should you still have the same attitude when you hear the N-word? If they ask me that, you know what I would say? No, I'm asking you, yeah.

Oh, what I would say to them is, yeah, because we still niggas. What I would- This is still Crip. No, but listen, no. Let me make the distinction real quick. The distinction to this is, the distinction of that is this. Slavery is over. Yes. The system of being oppressed in America clearly is not.

So the same reasons that I was crippling before are not over just because I have some money. Now look. I was tripping over the same thing. Did you think it was different early on? Now, wait a second, glasses. It is you who said that people endeavor into these. things because they are poor. So what I would think, and I'm not speaking on that because I'm not none of that,

nobody hit me up. But what I would think is that what I would think is that in a situation to where you start to do better financially, that you would transform your community in a different way and like what the fuck would you go on to drive by for? Like, why would you be doing this stuff if you had ascended out of that situation? I talked to 50 yesterday. He is a great person to talk to about this. 50's telling me the whole point of me doing everything that I was doing

was to get out of the situation that I was in. And now that I'm out of it, how am I get caught up in this same bullshit again? Then why does he get caught up in the same bullshit all the time? What bullshit? Fifth always got some shit going on. He always handled everything like the same 50 cents. But he's not, he never getting in trouble with the law. That's because they ain't caught him.

Okay. We're going to get off. 50 and punched motherfuckers backstage. 50 to punch motherfuckers backstage 50 they did all kind of regular shit that we do in the street he don't deal with it the way Jimmy Iveen would deal with it yeah I feel you but even now Jimmy Iveen doesn't get on his Instagram and taunt and fuck over people so I'm saying this though

I'm saying this though I'm saying this though is it right that you should maintain the same mentality that you had when you was broke or the same mentality that you had when you was fucked up shouldn't there be a point to where you move past that I guess that's the question. Sure, but the same way, how often do you eat soul food? I don't eat it all the time. Exactly.

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Okay, great. Because it would have been bad. So if you thought it was, it was good compared to if Pete was there. Was it? Yeah, Peterson. Okay, because in this podcast, y'all were discussing, is there value in a modern woman? The value. The value.

But from what y'all were saying, it was as if there was no value. You can't find value in a modern woman. I remember that. And I remember kind of being the voice of reason for women. I really do. I remember that because I remember everybody else was on. And I was like just, okay, okay. What exactly was said?

So I can know just for I jump off because I remember the whole conversation. I believe it was you who said, well, what's valuable about a modern woman? You were having a conversation. Y'all were talking about a woman that was on social media. It might have been little baby's baby mama. It was talking about her. She was saying in the 80s and 90s, men valued women a lot better than they do now. Yeah.

And you were talking about the worth of a modern woman. Versus that woman. And it was like, well, you're like, well, what's valuable about them? If you compare it to that woman. The difference. Because what are you defining as a modern woman? Because I would consider myself a modern woman. But I listened to the way you were talking about women.

And that wasn't me. That's not me. Because you may have old school values. Has anybody ever told you that? No. What is a modern woman? What is, define modern woman? A modern woman is, let me see.

It's somebody that really believes value comes from how many followers they have or how many men objectify them. A modern woman would rather be sexy than beautiful. Like they think it's the exact same thing. So maybe it's the phrase you're using that's throwing me off because a modern day woman, to me, you're just describing somebody who's an influencer. I don't know. I think most people today think they're influencer. Here's a point. It's funny. We had this conversation. We're having a conversation about the value of vagina. Like where it's at. The vagina was a stock. It's at its all-time lowest. Right? It's at its all-time. It sounds bad. Because 70 years ago, you had to marry a woman to get vagina. That required dates.

That required a lot of economic, a lot of commitment, a lot of things to have to happen versus today. Whereas 1299 is Netflix and chill. You say commitment. Just because these people were getting married, that's all for show. It doesn't mean that they were committed. And they, like, I wouldn't say that women aren't doing anything now that they weren't doing back then. It's just now it's just on a bigger scale. Like now women have take pride in being able to say, I have choice over my body and this is what I want to do.

That's like a cop out, though. No, it's not a cop out. Well, if you have a choice, then you could never be upset by any decision you ever make. So that means you could never blame anybody. So if a guy says he lies to you to get it, you could never be upset because you still made the choice. But you can be a, it depends what he lied about, right? So if he's lying to me that he wants it and he feels something for me, if he's saying I just want to get it, it and then you give it and then what again that's the point of response like having control the control

is i don't have to listen to nothing you say i have to make my own decisions right based off of what i think is right nothing you say could mean anything that's the point of having that control of your body yeah sure other people can still manipulate you out of the same thing without the type of commitment so i agree with you right back in a day somebody might have took you on 70 dates and could have the same intentions and married you just to get it but that's a lot more to go through than just having you come over to watch Netflix and chill. Well, because when you were talking about it on your podcast, you were saying how you know baby mamas more than you know wives today.

Yeah, but I wouldn't make that. That's in my world. And you were saying, okay, because you weren't making that distinction. And then you were bringing up, well, like, you know, I know the names of Cookie and I know the names of Magic Johnson's wife and I know Juanita. But then I was like, but those men weren't committed to their women at all. They were committed. Just on paper.

No, no, not just dick and vagina are not the only commitments. Like, who you sleeping with ain't your real commitment. Your commitment is who is this person you're going to take care of and make sure they right forever. But you can do that without being a wife. That's not ever going to happen without being a wife. That's like a rarity to happen. If somebody's going to take care of you without being a wife for the rest of your life,

you got something really special. It's to find what's taking care because are you talking about financially? Are you talking about just being there every night? I'm talking about, okay, so sure, right? The idea of sex seems to be the most dominant thing. but the more or longer relationship, when you realize it's a lot of things about a relationship that you have to be responsible for.

And the one thing about magic is, he's committed to cookie. I only know people's wives. I don't know these people, baby mama's names. Like, why would I celebrate? Why is this person even have a following? You don't have talent. You're just somebody that this man knocked down and knocked up.

Okay. So let me... Does that point have to come out the podcast? No, no. No. That's the second thing. So let me ask you this, though. I won't go back to a couple of things.

Number one, the choice maters that you talked about, right? The reason why I feel like that analogy is flawed is because it doesn't matter what any, everyone has a choice to do whatever they want to do, right? Like, we have a choice to start a rap group together, which we're going to do. We have a choice to start a rap group together. If I tell you that I'm going to come recording that I never do it and you have entered into this thinking that I was going to do this, and for whatever reason I manipulated you for whatever reason,

then even though you made the choice to do that, like the fact that we, the fact that you trusted me, you're still going to feel the way. No, I'm not. I'm going to be mad at myself for listening to you. Okay, cool. Even that, though, but you're mad at the deception.

No, no, no. I'm mad for listening to you. Right. So, but what I'm telling you is that in society glasses, we have something called good faith. If I... Nothing about digging pussy is good faith. Well, I'm not,

But what I'm telling you about that is that if a woman is mad because you said you play for the Saints and like or that you were if a woman is mad because you said you didn't have three kids and she wanted she wants somebody that doesn't have three kids. Right. And then she finds out that you have them down a relationship. She has a right to be mad about that. Like if you, you're taking the onus to me off of how truthful you have to be when you meet someone. And what I'm telling you is it has nothing to do with a male-female dynamic. If you are entering into a new relationship of any kind, if I'm buying a car from someone, if I'm starting a business with someone, if I'm doing anything with anybody, right?

And we enter that relationship, whatever that relationship might be, like in bad faith, then, yeah, I'm going to look at myself and be like, yo, why did I believe that? But at the same time, you're fucked up. And so I think it's the good and bad. I think that's probably where the hitch is. Men want to sleep with women first. First. Nothing else.

Very rarely is it like I see I want to be my wife. It's not very rarely. It's like, I mean, it's possible. Some people you see and you be like, oh, man, I want her to be my wife. That's not, it has happened. I know it has happened. I know for sure it's happened. Right?

It happened to me. It happens. Yeah. Right? But it doesn't have to happen. So for sure, it's never good or bad faith. You know the initial intentions. So you know if a guy sees you, the first thing he's thinking about is I want to sleep with her.

Yeah, but there's nothing in bad faith about that. It's not, that's what I'm saying. It's not good. So therefore, everything he says is with that intention first. So therefore, it's no good and bad faith right there. Well, no, not true. Because it depends on his personal integrity about what he's willing. Well,

I say again. Hold on a way. In life, in life, in life, there are things that we all want. Your personal integrity dictates what you would do to get them.

Personally. So, no, no. So that means, that means this. I mean, if that's the case, then anything that we're, like we all want to be rich.

Some people would kill somebody to be rich. Some people wouldn't. And that depends on you. Exactly. And so what I'm saying is, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't make judgments based upon what people are willing to do

to get what they want. because we all know that they want something. But before we get into a tangent, I want to ask you one more question. Who sets the, you said pussy is at all time low in value? Who sets the value of pussy? Men by what they will pay to get it.

Okay. Isn't it about what you will pay to get it? Like, like, you could say it. I'm going to tell you why. I knew it. You know, you know that's a misogynistic statement. But I'm going to tell you that.

Because then that means that we don't have ownership over our own body part. Listen, but I'm going to tell you why. And I'm going to tell you this. If you can be lied to, you don't. If you can be manipulated for it, you don't. Everybody can be manipulated for everything. If you're a rapper, it's not a more manipulated a group of people in the world.

I have a 62 Impala. You cannot manipulate me no matter what. Glasses. Listen, you are a rap artist. There's not a group of people in the world. Go ahead. Make a point. I own a 62 Impala convertible.

Right. You couldn't pay what you want to pay for no matter what lies you told me. I don't care what you say. Okay. Your Impala doesn't have a choice in this. As a woman, though, as a woman, you have a choice. I have a choice.

So then at that point, if Netflix and Chill is the current rate that's being advertised across the landscape, that's broken down a 1299 month. This niggins, what this is mine, man. I think, I can set a worth of what I want and then you set the value. The person who were willing to pay sets the value. The person who owns. that I would like to believe sets the worth. You could say, hey, my vagina is worth somebody marrying me.

My vagina is worth what I want to give it away for. But at that point, the real value is whatever somebody else is willing to pay. But the way you describe it is you take the power away from the woman. Like, my vagina one day might be worth a good time because I want to have a good time. And the next day, it might be marriage. It might be something else. You're taking that. No, I think it's a little more deeper.

In your statement? it takes it It takes it away Because it's saying it's only worth You're using value and worth But you're really saying It's only worth what a man is willing to value No no no

That's what it's The value The worth and value are different And how I could use them How I'm using them could be incorrect But they are different And it is only what somebody is willing to pay for it That is, it's the truth

Listen Why is this so transactional? I don't, shit before I was born So what I'm saying is I think Because, okay, I'm going to tell you why I classify this transaction. Okay. Because the first time we meet a woman, that's what we want. Yeah, but how do you know that's not what she wants?

Exactly. But that's not the point, right? I'm not saying what she wants doesn't have value. More times than not, that's not what they want. I don't know that's case. More times and so. I think that's an old way of thinking about it. That's a, and that's why, that's what, but like, look, have you ever walked into the room and slept with four?

people and brag to your home girls that you slept with four people? Maybe we should take this out to the podcast. No, because this is, have you ever brag? Have you like, girl, I knocked down all six of them. You know that what, I mean, but you know that women brag about, you do, you are aware that women. It might not be six or four of women. You do you are aware that women brag about, I'm dead.

Niggas that they bagged. Yes, I'm telling you. So have they ever, have you ever slept with six men at once? No. Would you brag about it? No, because I don't, that's not what I want. So, but I brag about something that I did want. Would you actually end.

v. the woman who I slept with six men at once. It's not what I want. So I'm not going to envy something I'm not into it. There's not a man breathing air, breathing air. It could be the most faithful man in Barack Obama or Jay-Z, right? Or it could be the player's man, right? As in Hugh Huffner, the rest of soul or whoever the next Hugh Haffner is. If I slept with six women, that is literally, you know, social currency within the masculine community, right? If I slept with the city girls, at the same time. It depends on,

it depends on, I mean, if you're around a bunch of Mormons, then maybe not. But, but it depends, it depends on where you are, but,

but, but, but, but, yeah, yeah, come on. Yeah,

go, most nine, yeah, yeah, so don't even want to do. But look, they're saying, they do.

But, well, they definitely do. They want to, because they have like six wives. So, so, so, so,

so, so, so, so, so, so, shout to the Mormons. that's not a

because I don't need no more. It can be a bit. But what I'm saying, though, is like, everything that you're talking about is, everything that you're talking about is based on, in my opinion, construct. It's not even based on, it's not even constructs, right? Because it's a one-sided construct. Let me ask you this.

How much is, forget about pussy. How much is dick worth? Free. It's never had value. Okay. It's literally the trash is stock in America. Right. So, every woman in America.

Right. has multiple penis. There's not a woman breathing. There's not a man in America. Every woman has options to get penis. Right. So if that's the case, then, why are we so, if that's the case, then why are we so obsessed with how much vagina is worth?

Because again. The value of vagina. If penis is worthless, then why are we obsessed with how, then the value of vagina? I don't think I'm obsessed with it. I'm not saying obsessed with it. I'm not saying obsessed with it. Why is even the conversation? Because as a man who has a penis, I enjoy vagina.

So if I'm noticing, if I'm telling my sister, hey, you have to be careful because men, right? What's funny is, as in, like, penis as low as it is, the value of it, right? It's actually at its highest. Men are actually, it is almost unbelievable what women are doing to get penis in 2000. Well, not to get penis. I don't think it's, but I agree that men are overvaluing themselves right now, but I think that has to do with a lot of things. I don't think they're overvaluing themselves. No, no, no, no, not overvaluing themselves. I think that I, not overvaluing themselves. I think that like social media and stuff, because this is what I think. I think

that there are certain societal constructs that exists no matter what, right? And I think that we are still really, all we do is take our parents' ethics and then remix them. Right. So, but do you really want a construct where we're the same? Yeah. Yeah. I think you have to have one. Is that really what y'all want, top to bottom? Yeah.

Like we- Because this is the problem. No, no, no. Not you start doing that. Then what happens. You know what it comes to. Hold on. It becomes a whole bunch of other conversations.

Here's a deal, right? Here's a deal. So what should it be? Hold on. Not the same, but equal. So wait, what should it be then? I think it depends on a person. definitely don't think, I think a woman is greater. That's my problem. So when you do things that

let me down, you let me know you're worse than me, it's disappointing. Like you are a woman. Your body, your body literally, literally to make a child, I could be there for two seconds, right? Two seconds. Nine months, you can develop it and bring it into this universe. That's unbelievable. Yeah, but you're double talking doing a fast talk shit. It's not fast talk. It's like, That's like when you're on the basketball team and the coach goes, hey, I'm yelling at you in front of everybody because I expect more. You just don't like it because it's a truth. It's not it. It's genuinely.

No, it's literally a truth. No, if you think, glasses, if you want to be more critical of women because you think higher of them. Yes. That's cool. A lot of women, a lot of women would tell you I want to be, I don't, a lot of women would tell you, why am I. But it's not even this that you think higher of them. It's more of like... Greater, too.

Greater. It's more of like... I'm wrong. No, it's a traditional... It's like an old school thought of almost like they're perfect in a way. You guys are perfect. But the what... And this is why I had an issue with you saying modern day woman.

Sure. When you're describing people you see on social media doing their thing and on the podcast, y'all were talking about body types and people not being natural. Low and value of booty. Yeah. Yeah. And see, that's not what I would define as modern, right? Equal, not the same. I'm a person who is, you know, I don't want those old school traditional values placed on me. I want to be able to say I'm my own person. I do my own thing. I don't have to be what your definition is or your old school definition is of a woman. Because I don't want to be that. Yeah, but desire is overrated. What do you need to be? What do you mean? What do I need to be? That's the point. A woman is always what you.

she needs to be. Right. So, but like, why can't I get down and dirty if I want to? You can. But like, you have me on such a pedestal that you can't see me any other way. Why can't you be proud that you're getting down and dirty and just be proud of it? I am. Why do you, okay, so why do you need us to be okay with it? It's not that I need you to be okay, but the conversation is that the way you're talking about women and not valuing women, what I define as modern, right? You're asking me, why don't we value you getting down and dirty? Yeah, like my hands dirty, I guess, is what I mean. Let's say like a guy, Vance slept with all of Destiny's child at one time.

Why I would value it versus if you slept with all of boys to men, it's just different. Why? Why is it different? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Shout out the boys to me. Yeah, of course. Shout out to the homies from boys to men. shout out to y'all

shout out to juan yah it's not the same comparison as what he's about to say destiny's child is not boys to men you cannot compare shout out to shan shout out to show you had to give me joe to see shout out to all of them

you can't compare shout out to boys to men this is gonna sound like a this is not a fucking this these niggas was the men these was the guys boys to men my favorite group ever

there is no way you can compare sleeping to Beyonce Kelly Rowland and Michelle You don't think Beyonce is greater than all of them together. You can't compare sleeping with them to sleeping with boys to me. You can't.

Just on a straight. Man, shout out to boys to me. You can't do that, though. Okay. You can't do that. How about Jodicey? I mean, it's a racial situation. I said Jodice.

I said Jocet. But what is it that you're holding on to that says I can't do that? Because you can do that. Because you're literally greater. You're, I'm not saying. There's no cape. This is real. Like, you can have a child.

Like, literally, you can create functioning and everything, right? So then, yeah, so for you to do things that we would do is horrible. But there's power in having control over what I want to do sexually. Not really. Glasses. Oh, my God. No discipline. Do you understand that, like, do you understand that we know that you're not, we understand

this pimp talk when we're here? I'm not. Like, we, bro, we understand this. Why would you think? Why would you think? So you don't think I think women. in our greatest. That's what you believe. No, I know you believe that. But it's

in the wrong tone. Wait, wait, wait, hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. You don't believe I believe that? No, it's in a toxic way though. It's not like any toxic way. It is in a toxic way. It's in that I expect you to be the best representation of us. You expect us. That you have an expectation.

Yeah. I literally said that from the beginning. You would look at somebody who you don't know and judge their behavior based upon what your expectation of them is. 100%. That's absolutely toxic. Literally, that's not toxic. Sure it is. How is it?

You literally know what you're presenting. No, what I'm telling you is that you're saying, hey, you're such a, like, I think you're so great. You shouldn't do this. Yes. Okay. Yes. Again, but again, you asking me, okay, so based off your standards. Sure.

So you wouldn't mind if your old lady had all of Boys to Men. Because Boys Demen is your favorite group at one time. So here's the thing about it. Don't go. So I'm not going to. So here's the thing about it. Here's the thing about it. See, you're going to drive around the corner.

I'm just to stop right there. I'm not. You know what the actual answer is? Yes. No. But I would be curious. So you'd be asking her how when Juan Ye was in her mouth? This niggas.

But he has been details. You don't have to provide details. I would have a lot of questions. What did she said? She just felt at her most powerful moment. Hey. She was like, you know what? I have a chance to have Grammy Award winning.

Look. This. And here's the thing. And this is why I'm, and this is, no, seriously. And this is why. Now, this is real cap. No, no. This is why I'm a deviant.

This is why I'm a deviant. This is why people don't really fuck with me. I actually wouldn't care. I was, I had a whole thing on this podcast where I was talking about what my mom to get some dick. Like, seriously. So you want your mom to have all the temptation members. If that's who, if that's what she wanted. You'd be okay with it.

If that's what she wanted. I don't believe it. I swear to God, bro. If that's what she wanted. So if your mom had to train with. the temptation. You'd be cool with that. That would be dope.

Let me tell you something. That would be dope for the temptation to run a train on your mom? Because it's other niggas moms that had like the system run a train on them. At least she had the temps. Shout to the system. Don't disturb this groove. At least she had the temps. So you would be.

I don't give a fuck about who people fuck. Glasses. You don't care? I want every. You're on this. I don't want everybody to get what they want. Glasses, listen. I think that's a horrible thing.

Glasses. You're on this word. for 80 years, if you're lucky, then you are dead forever. If you spend one fucking second on this spinning rock in space, worrying about what glasses thinks about who you fucking,

you are creating, you are committing an eternal crime. I disagree. Every person you don't fuck is somebody that you don't fuck forever. That's actually not bad. It's not bad. It's not.

And there are all kinds of reasons to stop. If you love someone, If you're committed to someone, you don't have to be committed or love someone. If you love to someone, if you have a personal situation. How about you stop just giving your spirit away just because you want to? But that's what you say about the end. This is why it's toxic masculinity. Because you have an idea of what a man is supposed to be.

And then you have an idea of what you're a woman should be. I don't. So. And you're putting gender roles on each one. That's toxic. That's not toxic. That's actually how life should be. We have to stop coming into a space.

where we think everybody is the same. No, no, no. No, it's not the same. We're not even equal. I said, I said, I said, I said, men and women aren't the same. I'm not saying. You were not equal, man. You were not equal with women.

You were talking about, you were talking about women. We're not equal with women. You were talking on the same podcast. You were talking about women being the breadwinner and women being supporting their men. And you were like, you couldn't, you would do it. It's not my step. But is it okay? No.

I'm not okay with you taking care of your man. Why? I'll be honest with you. Most women ain't okay with that. No, no, no. I agree with that. You should not agree. You cannot, that is toxic.

You cannot agree with that. No, no, no. That's my personal preference. That's my personal preference. But it's not toxic for me to say. It is not toxic. Is that not toxic? I wanted to be.

So a little toxic. Wait, let me explain. It's not that I want him taking care of me all the time, but I would want it to be like, sometimes you take care of me. Sometimes I'd take care of you. Yeah. You like that?

50-50. I like it. That's really. I do. So why did I just take care of him? Huh? Would you be okay just to take care of? You say, you know, I want you to take care of me because we are equal.

I wouldn't want to be taken care of all the time. Only based off a whole bunch of crazy stuff, not really based off. That don't even make sense. I would love to be. Let's be. If we keep it all the way funky. You're not being out. If we keep it all the way funky, it's not an issue.

I mean, there are a lot of women out there who have women, And so it's not that big of an issue if a man wants to take care of a woman. It's actually excellent. It's not that big of an issue. But society does not accept or respect a do-nothing-ass-me. Because society is a joke. Society is like, so if you're a girl. Like who wants to be Stedman?

Like if you're like that. But look though, all of those guys get made fun of. No, no bullshit. Everyone. All of those guys get made fun of. And the fact that all of those guys get made fun of. Show you that we live in society. you decide to do, it should be okay for you, is my point.

So then that means you have to walk in, so back to your point about getting down and dirty, me being a crib, I have to walk with who I am based off your expectations. I'm fine with it. I'm not trying to correct you on this crippling. This is who I am. I'm not worried about you. We don't, we ain't from 7th Street. What do our expectations matter?

That's not the point. When you start to talk about gangs, right? If that was the case, I would rescind being a gang. I'd be like, oh, you know what, society frowns are pointing because they think it's this. I walk proudly because I'm proud of who I am. I'm not worried about your ignorance. So if you want to get down and dirty, right, and you're like, you know what? I want to take all of Rockefeller at one time.

I want to take everybody on QC label. Just be proud of him. And I would be. The whole QC. I just do not think so. If that's what I wanted to do, it's not what I want to do. I don't believe so, only because we do entirely too many things that are rooted in social currency.

But there's no social currency. The reality situation is, if it's, if, if, If you didn't do it, the only reason why you wouldn't do it is it wouldn't be because of your desire to do it or not do it. It would be because of the perception of you. Desire is overrated, man. Everything is about it. I've been wanting to drink my whole life. I haven't.

I'm not saying desire isn't overrated. What I'm saying is these are all things. But let me, before you get out of here, this has been a conversation I knew it would be. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Fast, reliable internet means everything for your business. And even this podcast. That's why I trust Spectrum business to keep companies of all sizes

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All right, because... We had it in pop at first. We did have club. We did have to go up. We used to talk about it. Every day. Okay, real quick. I got to do it.

Shout out to Royce the 5-9. Shout out to Bishop Rigante. Shout out to Mouse Jones. Glasses, me. Who else we had on there with us? That was the pack. That was the crew. Just Blaze was jumping there every now and again.

Just was super dope. That just made me a fan with that. Yeah, just were jumping there every now and again. We had some other people. Remember, Wack was on Just. Wack was on Just. Wack was on Just. That's the first time I ever heard Wack getting on somebody.

Wack was on Just because... What did Just? say. I said I'm stupid. It wasn't even nothing important. No, he said that when

Rockefeller came to New Orleans that the hot boys and Burrman and would be in the front row or some fan shit and why I got super pissed off. Clubhouse.

Yeah, good old. A lot of politics going on. Like, you can learn, it seems like you can learn almost everything about LA politics. You pretty much

won't learn anything, but I feel you'll get like some bare, like, outlines of it, but you ain't gonna really learn. What do you think about the situation on Clubhouse and the different, I mean, you obviously are affiliated, you know what I mean?

So what do you think about Clubhouse and the different talks across sets? I mean, you got L.A. talking to New York sometimes. You got different sets talking to each other. They talk in politics. They talk about people's entertainer. They just entertainers. They ain't got nothing to do with what's really happening in them communities. I'm just being honest.

That ain't really what it's about. And people are trying to be entertainers. All of them people trying to be entertainers. If you from my home boys that's really about it, they ain't on no damn clubhouse. They don't call me. They might get some chance later on to hear it on YouTube, but they ain't on no damn club.

I don't people's entertainers. Not saying they're not from their community, but they're trying to, you know, raise their life. They profile, get some money, get some fame, get something going for themselves. They're not really a reflection of the community at that current state. do you think people that are on Clubhouse that are talking

would feel away if they heard you say that? Maybe. Shit, I don't care. It's true. It's true. Look, I try to bunker myself down in facts.

I know people. I know enough of them to know that that's not. Their goal is not the actual. That is the last place you would go to get active. You know, Wack, what do you think about some of the back and forth that goes on on Clubhouse? I don't know.

why y'all entertain it. Wack is literally a businessman who owned trucks and was at one time a gang member who literally has became a businessman. I don't know what the fuck people be talking to him about street shit for anyway. I don't know what are y'all doing. This man is obviously, he don't care. He literally is working with that little dude. That little dude is a rat. That's a rat. Like, minus all of the other stuff that they send six, nine is a rat. minus the manipulation, minus the marketing. He just didn't want to be accountable for his own crimes. So he said, these guys did these crimes.

Hey, I'll testify on these crimes to not be prosecuted for my crimes. That's what a snitch is. And if Wack would did when them Wack don't have value, he don't care about the street value. That's just not what he care about. So why would somebody in the streets? I've never heard he said, but I can tell you right off the real. Wack is three years away from being Charleston White.

Yo. That's a strong thing. Like, Wack would be like, nigg. Mark my words. whack on me like, fuck all this gangbagging shit. I actually heard him say it a couple times where he'd be like, man, you knick is just, it's coming because it's a space where men get to where they start to separate their self from the community enough to where they just, it don't matter to them no more.

And it just don't matter to him. He don't really care with nobody from the street thing. He don't care what I think. He don't care what none of us think. So why would a motherfucker be sitting right there arguing with him? The only reason you're going to argue with him is because you try. trying to make him look bad in front of other people, just like he does. The hell you argue with him for.

And they come on this platform, be right up in his little room with all the people's and they be just going. I'll be like, bro, I'm not fin to sit up here and listen to y'all crazy motherfucker. And then they're not going to pinch each other when they get close. Because it was never about that. And I think he understands it more than everybody. He understands that this is entertainment. Now, most likely it's going to come out of the vein of entertainment because people are going

get serious and somebody's going to get embarrassed and then we'll see them. But it'll be a bunch of people, you know, right now instead of us as a culture, like, hey, you know what, y'all got to stop or, you know, maybe we need to figure out some other kind of solutions to this. It's all fun and games till somebody gets shot. And somebody gets shot, we're going to be like, oh, man, you know, you know, you know, the normal stuff. The nigger.

The normal stuff. Glasses. The podcast is no ceilings. But listen to glasses. What else you got? It's definitely entertaining. You didn't drop the bunch of shit. You got Kanye should have never married that bitch.

I didn't even get into that. That's the name of the song. I didn't even get into the toxic femininity or feminine definition that you have. That's what he. That's toxic? No. First of all, you couldn't like just the title of the time. Tell me the title of the song again.

The title of the song is Kanye should have never married that bitch. And then that it's nowhere in the, that that is nowhere in the song. It's all about, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. is about that. Oh, I know. That's why you shouldn't have married her. You can't turn a hole into a housework. So anyway, we gotta go.

We got to tell you all right now, I'm going to continue to work on my good brother glasses. Who is one of the smartest men that I know. In all the most problematic beautiful ways, brother. Appreciate you for having us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.