Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Howard U to Strike? Plus, Herschel Walker and the Theory of Evolution

Episode Date: March 18, 2022

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to news that Howard University faculty have threatened to strike (26:53), and discuss the presence of Papa John’s in Russia (53:12). Then, Herschel Walker gave his take on Darwinism (1:08:41) and Colin Kaepernick is ready to suit up (1:28:19). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? I learned is on. Is Ivan Lincoln Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel, what's on your face? Go ahead. Just, just get it out of the way. I know you were going to ask questions.

You know, I'm not putting, I'm not putting my parents over my skin care today. I just, I just don't care. I think I really internalized stress. Right. And it is, it is coming out all of. over my face. I had to have an emergency facial. This is so extra, I know. But I had to have

an emergency facial because my skin, this is the worst outbreak I've ever had and I really, but like I said, in all seriousness, I think I really internalize stress. So I really need to deal with some other things. So I have some blemish buster on my face

right now so it can, you know, help out after, because like I had a whole treatment. In the middle of a move, you know, I'm moving. That's what I thought it was. I thought that you were painting or something and you just had to paint on your face. And then it was like, you got the paint on your face and you didn't want to like stop it because I'm too into it.

And do the podcast, I jump out of it. It was like, I thought you had pebble of your face. That's what I should have said. And then you would have been like, wipe it off. And I would have said, no. Right. And then we would have been right here. I'd also like to point out that I take the advice of thought lawyers.

You will see in my hand is a Celsius. Okay. I ask for alternative options. when it comes to the Red Bull. Healthyer ones. And they told me about Celsius. So I'm drinking a Celsius sparkling wild berry. Essential energy accelerates metabolism and burns body fat.

Celsius. Live fit. Rachel. Sorry. I got put in a QVC mode for a second. Jesus Christ. Did you guys see that? Rachel be out here getting these coins.

We need a coin drop. Cheek. whenever she gets it to her back. You know what one of the most frustrating times in my life was? So I've always had like oily skin, right? My skin has always been oily. I remember even the girls in high school, you'd be like, man, you got an oily skin.

I'd be like, that sounds like a dude once you get out of my face. But like I had never went through an acne period, ever. Never had a time of my life where I had acne until I got to be. about 32 and all of the sudden out of nowhere there are pictures i can show you the pictures i went about two years without a clear without a clear face and it wasn't just the fact that it was acne they hurt yeah it was like going through right now it was like painful cystic acne they call it. And like they were and I had to like dedicate literally six months of like really paying

attention to my face like getting a facial every week using toner, using retinol, like spraying mist on my face before I would play basketball. It's like the whole nine and like it took like a regimen of six months or a year to get it to the point to where it's cool. And now I don't do anything to my face. and I just never gave blemishes anymore. It's hormonal. I mean, I never had an issue with my skin

until I moved to California. So I'm going on two years of back and forth having to deal with it. Never. You know I used to wash my face? Rubbing alcohol. That's all I would do. Just rubbed.

Jesus Christ. Just put rubbing alcohol on my face. If I had a little thing, just put a little something there. Next day, it was gone. Sometimes I just wipe down the whole face with rubbing alcohol. Can't do that anymore.

I guess it's hormonal. Maybe it's environmental. Because I came from, you know, a Miami climate where, you know, it's human and everything to out here. But ever since I've been here, I haven't been right. You haven't been right. So I'm coming up on two years. It's this outbreak. I've never, I've walked in and she's like, I've never seen your face like that before.

I don't know if it was going home. Talk to me like that. Yeah, she talks me like that. But she talks to me like that. She talks me like that. She's like that, though. She's like that, though. She's like, but she's like that, no, I like, you can be brutally honest to me.

I know what I look like. I've seen it. She's right. It's never been like that. I've been going to her for it since I got here. I think it's hugging. I was, you know, it's home. My face was touching people.

Hairs all my, I really think I just had just a bad reaction. Just, yeah, it's, I can't take this off. Believe me, it looks better this way than the other way. That's because you went to Texas. And when you came back to Texas, like, you came back from Texas. your soul jumped out of your body. Like we want to leave all the bad abortion, fucking backwards ass Texas energy

and your soul just jumped out of your face but it went too quickly. And it turned into some bumps. You bumpy as fuck, fuck it. Who cares you're bumpy? Thanks, thanks. Next time I'll just come to you for the diagnosis. Thanks.

This is all the toxins coming out. I got you. I can't even see it. Like, yeah, I can't even see it. Like, because they're done on your forehead. which is good. So I can't even see them No, no, I never really have any on my forehead.

It's always, it's where the mask. It's where the mask is. It's when I wear, like, maybe that's where it started. I don't know. But being back home since you said that, seeing my grandmother was everything. My spirit is always good after I see my grandmother. I'm so glad I got to go home.

She cooking? No, no. My grandmother's health's declining. So she can't, she can't cook. She can't do all of it. things that she used to, but I'm her favorite. So, you know, she was like, they told me you were coming, but I didn't believe them.

So, you know, I just sat there and talked to her for hours. She likes to watch church all day. She likes to watch the news. She talked about what was going on in the world. She's a crush on Brian. So I showed her some topless photos of Brian. Jesus. I did with the shirt off.

We just reminisce, because I used to live with her for a summer. Like, we just talk about old times. It's just good. It just warms my spirit. Love my grandmother so much. Speaking of grandmothers, my grandmother had a birthday. Moma? Mom had a birthday.

It's very special, special time. Moma had a birthday. She's a very vibrant 84 years old. Ooh, she looks fantastic. She's doing good. She's great. Really good. Yeah.

She's doing, she's doing, she's doing great. A lot of stuff going on back in Baton Rouge. I bought my mom an electric bike for her birthday. I think we talked about this a little bit. We did. Yeah. She hasn't been able to ride the electric bike. What's wrong?

It's just the weather hasn't been good enough. Now here's my problem. Here's my problem. Mama, I love you. I want to tell you right now how much you mean to me. and I'm glad that I bought the bike for you. Bike was a couple of G notes, okay? Get your ass out there and ride the bike.

I don't care if you got to put a slicker suit on. If you got to have an umbrella, I ain't going to bike. The bike calls a used car. You know what I'm saying? You know, ride that's a damn legendary bike. That's what the one I'm talking about. Let me tell you some.

And ride the bike, mama. Mama. The bike is a gift. It is a gift. If she wants to sit that bike in her room and stare at it because it's pretty, she can do that. Because at this point, you have gifted it to her and whatever she wants to do or not do with it. Is her right? I don't agree with this kind of stuff.

Well, you can. So let me ask you a gift with orders. Yes, you can. Let me ask you a question. If you give a gift, let's say you buy Brian a nice shirt and then Brian brings the shirt back. Do you feel plate? that's not what she's not bringing it. Wait a second.

No, no, no. The equivalent would be him not wearing it. If I give Brian a bike and he doesn't wear, I mean a shirt, he doesn't wear it. That's the equivalent. You can't change the rules. She didn't take the bike back. That's different. Hold on.

I'm not changing the rules. That's the one to one. The one to one would be him not wearing the shirt. But that's not what you said. What you said was once you said was once you. gave a gift. You've given the gift. That's what you said.

The one to one, you're right. The one to one would be, hey, but that's not what you said. So what I'm saying is it does matter what happens to the gift once you give it. If it was a shirt, I wouldn't care. If it was a shirt, what would you care about that you bought something for Brian and he gave it back? If it was expensive. Right. If it was expensive.

If it was expensive, if it was like a piece of jewelry or something like that. I would be so funny. If you bought Brian like a chain and then Brian Brian is like he's going to Spain with his home. He's like, why are you going to go?

What's going to Spain? He's like, yeah, I took the chain money. I used it to a trip to Spain. If Brian had to go on a guy's strip, him and three other guys. Who would be the guys Brian were going to guys trip with? They call themselves. They have a group chat called the thread.

and it would be it would be those guys his friends that he grew up with in the neighborhood not even the ones from college you'd be those the ones he grew up with Are they like Would there be any bachelor niggas there? No not in that crew

Right see because Brian's Let me tell you some of Brian's O'Friends Are not going to get along With the bachelor niggas That's not true because they did at the wedding Yeah they They pretended like they did for the sake of your old friends,

your old friends that you grew up with, they don't really be fucking with these new adult Hollywood friends that you make. They don't fuck with them people like that. They might do it for a wedding. There is some truth to that. I'm thinking of my bachelor at party. It's definitely true. They don't fuck with these new people.

They all they're always dropping in little hints. You know what I'm saying? Trying to want to up each other. Damn, nigga. I ain't never known. to eat sushi. That's not the type of shit we eat from where we're from. Don't forget what you from, nigger. That is so true. We eat cooked catfish, the fried catfish. Come out here like, bro, bro. These niggas, they come out here, bro. These, these, but these

niggas that, I'm not going to tell you the name of like, so, so one of my friends came out here and he visited for a month. So this is, okay, so this is who this is. Okay. So this is who this This is, this is a, so Ian's big brother, Emmett, is basically playerproof. He's not playerproof. He's older than us, so they had their own clique. Their click was called the Down South Polars. Okay. Like player proof much better.

Their click was called the Down South Polars. That was the name of their crew. It was like Emmett and Womack and Diedrick and. They had a rotating rotating group of the DSP Down South Florida. And so, but Emmett is like basically one of us because we all family, right?

And, you know, me and Ian were the same age, so we clicked up, but we all family. I go over to Emmett's house. I go to Ian's house, Emmett's there. I see Emmett. Emmett is like my, I love Emmett to death, like my own brother. We all family.

So Emmett wanted to move to LA. Emmett is a very eclectic brother. Probably the best, purest heart that you'll ever know. just like super giving like super giving but like he's eclectic right and he's very himself

so you know and it comes out to the club he comes out to L.A and he's just so he makes friends so easily that it was like annoying to Kalika Kalika is not really the type to like talk

to the neighbors and shit a little bit but not as much so you know we would come home She's, okay, yeah. She's very friendly, but she's not like the type of like. She's not like, you know, talk to the neighbors. She's not going to go out of her way. Yeah, especially.

And she's gotten, as the years have progressed, she's gotten better about it. But at that point, that little space is really not as much. So we would come home and Emmett would be like the neighbors would be gathered around. And Emmett would be like playing his guitar for them. And it would just aggravated the shit out of it. we would come home Emmett would be like he'd have his jacket and he'd be giving the neighbor a jacket

and adjusting the jacket on him like that looks good on you. You'd be happy. And we're like, yo. And then also, you know, Emmett would have guests in the house who was a little one bedroom in Hollywood. And it would have guests in the house and all of that stuff.

And it just, it wasn't a good situation having Emmett stay with us for a while that he did. It ended up being something that didn't really work out. Everybody loves Emmett. I love Emmett to death. He's got a new son. He's married. The whole night's great.

I remember one day he was going to the club, right? He wanted to go to the club. I didn't want to go to the club. It was when Emerson was popping. And the guys that I play basketball with, they run these places. They run these doors. So I was like, yo, he's like, you know, come to Emerson tonight. I can't come to Emerson.

I can't. I want to go to me here. This is Tuesday night. I've been here for a while. I'm not looking at a party, but you can go. Just ask for Franz or Vic when you get to the door. It'll be straight. So he goes there.

And I'm thinking he gets in, right? So it's maybe like 1 o'clock in the morning, like 12, 30, 1 o'clock in the morning, my phone rings. And I answer the phone and his Emmett, and he is hot. Like, yo, nigger? Your boy is real bourgeoisie. Like, you're like, bro, your nigger's straight up Hollywood on some superficial bullshit. I'm like, yo, whoa. It doesn't sound like him.

Uh-huh. Nah, he's a... Whoa, hold on for a second. Let me tell you something about Emmett. Emmett Sponer. A nigga that will... She comes his old government out there. A nigga that will...

Hold on, hold on. Emmett is the nicest guy in the world. Play with him if you want. Especially the old Emmett. Will flip and beat your motherfucking ass. Him and here. They're not... Bozman, stop.

I'm talking about your uncles. Him and Ian. Like, will flip and beat your ass. So anyway, he's there and he's, like, complaining about the fact that I guess he's not getting into Anderson. I guess I wasn't there. Maybe they don't believe you. There's a lot of people that could have gone there and been like, yo, Van said, whatever, whatever, or whatever. So he comes back and he looks at me and he goes, like the next day, he goes, well, you didn't introduce me to some niggas out here.

I just want to let you know. Every nigga you introduce me to in this fucking city is a own puss ass nigger. all of them bro can't none of these niggas get it out the mud like we get it out the mud bad rubs can't none of these niggas slaying what we slang what we do and that was the mentality that all of my homeboys had when they met my la friends didn't i haven't introduced anyone to anyone out here that has ever ever been friends they don't like them they don't want to hang out with them they think they Hollywood they think they boogey they think they fake None of them? You've been out here this long. None of them. No. Like, it's like, it's like a, I think sometimes I feel like, and maybe Ian, because Ian's been out here the most.

Because I was going to say, Ian got along with everybody when I was around. He got along with a lot of people, but like, it's different. It's like, it's kind of like, you're not going to see him hanging out with too many things. Plus, he didn't fake. Like, Ian, like, like, Ian. know how Ian is good at the social situations.

Ian know how to get through a social situation. Like he knows how to get but then Ian, he ain't not going to fuck with you like that. Ian, he ain't not like this.

But what I'm saying is that that's one of the things that I've actually had a problem doing, which is melding my friend life from home with the friends that I've met out here. And now,

really to be honest with you, just over in the last year or so, I've made more friends in L.A. that are close to us and actually part of our family, like you, like the Midnight Boys, like people like that that I feel like actually really close to because I'm getting older, right? So I'm collecting people now. And I just, I was just worried sometimes that, which is the reason why I think we get along because we both from Texas, you know, we're from, no, we both from the South Louisiana.

But I worry sometimes that those are two worlds I'll never be able to put together. that like I'm always going to be Louisiana van and then LA van and there's there'll never be anything in the middle See I actually think that I would get along very well with your Louisiana friends But but but maybe it's different maybe it's a different guy girl dynamic Maybe that's I don't know maybe there's something that's different You kind of like a female Ian though you get along with everybody but then you'll soup kitchen and Nick quick you're cool

You'll soup kitchen and Nick quick don't mess with me don't mess with me Don't mess with me. You like a, yeah, because y'all, you are kind of like a female, Ian, you're not fake. And when I say Ian is fake. Yeah, you did say he was fake. What you're trying to say? Ian is fake. So, let me ask you a question.

Who's your most problematic? Ian listens to this podcast. I can't hear this. Look, Ian, hold on for a second. Ian knows how fucked up I am. I know how fucked up Ian is. We all know how fucked up. Like, the player proof, we cannot hide from each other.

Like, they're still. stories I could tell you about what it's like I wish I wish I could tell some of the stories that we the things that we've been through and the stuff that we've had to do together and the shit we just have to put it behind us I wish I could tell them you should write a book under a different name and tell these stories then the niggas would be so mad they're already in my they're in my book and I don't know how they're going to I don't know how they're going to respond to it really are you thinking of that you think they'll read it. Because my friends, a lot of my close friends didn't read it. Why? Because they didn't want,

they didn't want to know what like, but see, I didn't really talk, I didn't really talk about my girlfriends like that. I had a whole essay on it. It was too much. I moved it. I took it out. I took it out. It's too revealing. I took it out. I had a whole chapter on friendship. Took it out. I kept reading it and I was like, no, no. It was therapeutic for me to write and I'm done. I'll share with you one story from the book right now. Oh, thought warriors. I'll share with you one story from the book. Okay.

So there's a whole chapter dedicated to being the fat guy in the crew. Right. And I might have told the story. Did I ever tell you the cash money record story with the girl? Was this the car ride story? The car ride story. And the dancing. Yeah.

Yeah. So that story is in the book. But that like, that's the type of shit. Like my niggas. We're always super, I'll tell you a different story. Is this in the book? This is in the book. And this is about, and this story is exemplary, it exemplify, should I say, the relationship

of the player-proof crew. Okay. We would put the drive on each other. And when we will put the drive on each other, there was, it was like no holes barred. like we would have these it wasn't like yo this like whatever whatever like we wouldn't make fun

of each other in ways that were just regular ways we go Ian specifically was known for something we call in the crew the low blow like me let's say okay he goes too far he goes super far

he would always bring it out so let's say me and you driving back and forth I drive you because you got something on your face you drive me because I'm fat I drive you because I don't know you flunked out of school or some shit like that or whatever

and then you come back and you say to me that's why your girl was fucking this other nigga and blah blah blah blah blah that's the type of shit so it's not funny it's real there's a car ride to Memphis from 2002 that's legendary

we actually taped it and we had to as a crew destroy or lose the tape so that the evidence of how bad we talked to each other was gone. We went apeshit on each other. Really it was just Ian and Gina. Okay. So I give an example.

One day, me and one member of the crew are at his house. And there is a news broadcast that happens, right? These are two guys that actually kind of, one of them was more in player proof. and the other one really wasn't in player proof as much. Like it's not Ian Ogino. They're in playerproof but they were more like playerproof associates, right? Okay. Adjacent.

Adjacent. But this is still how crazy things went, right? So we're in the house and we're watching television. And I just come home. We had just come back from Southern, from Southern University. And we're at the crib and we're watching. TV and a news broadcast alert comes on. The news broadcast says,

Blam, Blam, Blam, Blam, Blam, arrested for whatever. One of the, somebody related to one of our crew members had been arrested and it was on the news. And it was like, there was like the news people were showing

this person being led into like the, the station or whatever. And we're shocked while we're watching it, right? We're shocked while we're looking at it. Because y'all all know this person. Yeah. Everybody,

we all know this person, right? We all know this person. And we're all cool and like, we're all cool with the family and all of this stuff. So as we're watching this, one of the homies that's with me, he leaves and goes to his room. And he comes back with a blank tape.

he puts the tape in the VCR and when the news comes on at 12 o'clock he tapes it just in case this other nigger ever went too far in the drive battle he wanted to have the moment that a relative of his was being arrested live on TV

as around in the chamber in case things went crazy we all had to actually have a meaning where it was like a summit where we had to be like, well we have to be like, yo, because we all would talk about

these weapons of mass destruction that we had. We had bad dick reports that females had given to us. Oh my gosh. Like you would be with a girl and she would give a bad dick report but then the rest of the crew

wouldn't know about it and then like at the end of the day you could bring out this bad dick report. Hey, just let you know. So-and-so say you ain't got no dick work. Boom, boom, boom. all of these different things that had gone on,

we were holding on to them in order to unleash him at the right moment. That's how toxic, it was the most loving, toxic brotherhood that you could ever imagine. Let me ask you, did anybody go too far to the point where it was the point of no return? Because it seems like y'all would forgive each other

by the end of the day or maybe even in the moment. It's just, it is what it is, is what y'all do in the crew. But was there ever a point where they were just like, you went too far. So it wasn't the point of no return because of the drive. I do feel like two members of our crew went to the point of no return because of an actual fist fight that happened. Oh. Yeah.

Oh, so y'all got physical too. This is one time there was a fist fight. We have to get into the show. But I'm going to get into the show. If you guys want to hear the story. of the player-proof meltdown fist fight of 2001. Just let us know. Because it was a dozy.

And the reverberations of this fight, in my opinion, are still being felt today in the crew. Why? And y'all didn't break them up. I mean, you don't need to get in details, but y'all were just like,

let them go at it. We weren't there. So it was two player-proof members and another non-member. and they were getting ready to go somewhere and a fight broke out and then the rest of us, we weren't there,

but we sure enough heard about it. Mamas was involved. Whatever. Love these guys. All of those guys have turned out to be amazing men and of all of them, of all of them, I am the most proud.

The most proud. I actually proud of all of them equal. My whole boys are really amazing. And Ian is just, you know, an amazing father. He's an amazing ex-husband and future husband. You see, he's a dick. All right, let's take a break.

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Howard. Now remember we talked about Howard before. What was it? The students had went on strike because it was what was going on. They had the conditions at Howard were so forth. The facilities. Yeah. facilities they were living in were subpar. Yeah. And we had Donnie come on.

Donnie. Remember, you talked a little bit about your experience at Howard. If you want to refresh people's minds at Howard, like, what was it like going there when you were a student? Yeah. I was living in Drew Hall, my freshman year, the only year I spent at Howard. And we had roaches real bad, mice. And I almost got expelled because of this living. leakage that happened in the, um, the laundry room.

Uh, there was like a bunch of feces all over the floor and, uh, oh my God. I don't remember all this. Yeah. Yeah. With, uh, Dean Jungle Love. The Q. Wait, stop. Okay, stop.

I remember that part and you didn't have to put that in there. Yeah. Let me ask you a question. So there were a lot of roaches in your dorm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the thing. It was in my dorm. dorm was especially bad. Not all of the dorms were as bad as mine. I think I stayed in the worst dorm on campus. So, I got like the worst example of an experience. So do you think that maybe the Roaches

were a Howard problem? Well, y'all just being some nasty ass niggas in there leaving ho-hoes, ding-dong, different cheeses and things like that around y'all room. I think the answer's both. The answer's probably both. Yeah. But isn't that just college students? You know what I mean? Yeah. So Donnie lost his scholarship because of this

and had to go to Michigan. Donnie had to go to Michigan. This is what Donnie did. Donnie said, fuck y'all, niggas. This is what Donnie did. Donnie said, Donnie went.

Donnie is probably walking around at Michigan, breathing the white air. Like, like, Jesus Christ. Donnie's registering this for his classes all in like 30 minutes going, my God. I can't believe it. Eaton Filamen Young and all of that stuff.

Anyway. Donnie said he tried. He tried. That's all you can ask. All you can ask is that you try with these niggas. And then after they blow it, fuck it, baby, maize, and blue. Go big blue. So, Howard is now under fire from its faculty.

The faculty at Howard are threatening, threatening to strike overworking conditions. Okay. We got some audio on this. Donnie, if you don't mind, giving us the audio of some of what the faculty at Howard University, one of the most esteemed, we say one of the most esteemed HBCUs, but that's actually selling Howard short.

Howard is one of the most esteemed universities, period, in this entire country. This is what some of the faculty are saying. The university's leadership has made clear that a better working environment and a better learning environment is unimportant to them. We were scheduled to meet with the leadership again on March 18th,

that's this Friday, but they have gone silent. We have been left with little choice. If the leadership of this university does not reach an agreement with us on March 18th, this Friday, then on Wednesday, March 23rd, on Thursday, March 24th, and on Friday, March 25th, the Adjuncts Union and the Lectures Union in alliance with SEI, you local 500, we will be holding an unfair labor practice strike. Wow.

Conviction in the voice. Conviction in the voice. Rachel, you hear that? And what are your initial thoughts? I mean, listen, well, we have it from somebody who actually experienced it. So we know that the conditions at Howard are, you know, you give it this title of esteemed universities in the country. And I'm not taken away from what they're able to do in regards towards education.

and the people that have come out of Howard, but we know Howard to be the cream of the crop when it comes to HBCUs. So the fact that, one, we were dealing with the students protesting, and obviously this has been an ongoing problem because, Donnie, how many years has it been since you graduated? 2010. I was there in 2006, so it's been a minute.

Okay, almost two decades. And I'm sure it was going on before Donnie got there. This has been an issue. So the point where the students now have, to protest and put their school on front street and let everybody know how subpar of these conditions are. Now you have the faculty. When you look into this, these non-tenured professors, some of them are making less than $40,000. They are the most underpaid faculty. I think in the D.C. area, maybe the country, I cannot recall if that's the case, but less than $40,000. And we're talking at one of the

best universities in the country. Meanwhile, the president makes over a million and a half dollars a year. Of Howard? I'm the president of Howard, over 1.5 million. That's what I like to see. And a lot of the people who are higher up are making close to half a million. So when you're, when you have, when you have in the administration like the higher ups and it's so bad the tenured professors have joined in the protest of the non-tenured professors. So this is a really bad situation here. They're talking about going on strike next week. They're also talking about the fact that, as this man said, the school isn't trying to

negotiate with them. They're doing it in bad faith. They thought they could come to an agreement. Things aren't coming to the table in the way that they should. So if I'm the president of the university, I make $1.5 million, how do you sleep at night knowing that so many people are being underpaid, mistreated? Students can't live. They'd rather live in tents than live in your dorms.

But you sit in all cozy in your house and with all your $1.5 million and the rest of the university is suffering. It's like there's a disconnect here. And it's troubling to me because you're supposed to care about the education of the students. You're supposed to care about the well-being of them. Your school, the pride of it, the fact that you're representing Howard with as prestigious as it is. And then here you are sitting all comfortable and everybody else is struggling. They got to get it together. Yeah.

Look, adequate to play, job stability, appreciation for the work that they do to teach Howard students every day. I was a part of a television show last year and we shot with some Howard students. Remember that when I was in D.C. to do that. Remember I was walking around? I was in D.C. Oh, yeah, yeah. I had a magical, mystical trip to D.C. I walked around and saw all kinds of things and felt American for half a second.

So I can say that the kids from Howard, the adults, from Howard that I had a chance to talk with were some of the most inspiring young minds I have ever been in the same room with. It was amazing. I believe it. With how educated, how with it, how respectful and how emotionally in control they were. The reason why I say respectful and emotionally in control is not because I want to categorize black students as being something like that that would be outside of.

their character. It's just because at that age, I wasn't that. At that age, if you came to me with, shit, I might not be that now. If that age, if you came to at me with an opinion, I didn't like, I opened fire on you. That's not what they did. They accepted the information. They came back in kind and they seemed unbelievably confident and well, uh, and well adjusted to whatever was going on inside of that classroom. And I just didn't have that type of, uh, tact, um, and emotional and intellectual confidence when I was that age. I thought it was uncommon, but maybe it isn't. Hopefully things are getting better in that respect.

So how is doing a good job at the kids that they're cranking out? They're doing a great job. They're doing a great job. I wonder, though. So a couple of things with this as far as I'm concerned. Number one, I look at the HBCU model as a whole. I joke a little bit about Donnie and going to the HBCU and then going to Michigan. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that unless you're talking about more House

or Spelman or a couple of other HBCUs that overall, from a shiny new aspect, your HBCU that you go to is probably not going to be as shiny and new in a lot of ways as the flagship university in the state that you're from. Let's take Southern

University in LSU. Southern University in LSU. Southern University in LSU is on the north side of Baton Rouge. LSU is on the south side of Baton Rouge. LSU has a 20, we've talked about this before. LSU has a $28 million Football Locker Room. Southern University has a $9 million endowment.

So those are two big time different schools. Okay? You don't go to Southern University for all the shiny bells and whistles. You go there because it might be a place where you can be understood a little bit more and where you want to believe that on the individual per student level per student basis, that that faculty and that staff and that administration cares a little bit more about you because there's a cultural love and trust. Sure.

What happens in the situation like this with, Howard, and I'm not going to speak as if I know the ends and out of what's going on there, but what could happen and what happens from the outside looking in is it looks like another unsafe place for black people after a while. It looks like another place where you go and you don't get to, you don't get appreciated for the work that you do, you don't have any security in the work that you do, and you got to live with rogers and rats. And if that's the case, why fucking go there?

if that's the case. But this also folds into the conversation we had about HBCUs before. And it folds into something that we talked about as far as human nature is concerned. These schools are tremendously underfunded. So when people are, you would think that when things are underfunded or when there's not enough resources, human beings tend to share more. It's actually the inverse of that in most times that I see. people hoard a little bit more when there's not enough to go around, right?

Because there's instability there and there's insecurity there. So a lot of times that some of the HBCUs, and this is anecdotal information, but you'll see a little bit more, I wouldn't say more, because I'm not sure of what level it's going on in the other schools and it's going on everywhere, but you'll see some grift, a little corruption, things of that nature. Because people are having to do things and make decisions that sometimes they wouldn't if there was more money to go around. Can I ask you this?

How much do you think the endowment is at Howard? Let me see. The endowment. No, no, don't look. I'm not going to look. I would say that Howard's endowment can't just give a ballpark. I would say it's north of $100 million. It's $712.712.4 million.

Woo! Does that change your opinion about exactly? Yeah. So what does that tell you? As that's fucked out. What does that tell you? Yeah, that argument. Let me tell you.

Let me tell you something. That argument, that little eloquent and soliloquely, whee. Howard just looked at me and was like, yo, you went to Southern. We ain't broke like you. Nigger?

Now I wonder, wait a minute now. Donnie jump back on here. Wait a second. Wait a second. is fucking Jeff Bezos running Howard? Like what the fuck is going on, man? That's what it said.

That's what Google said. And by the way, Howard has, I should have expected that because Howard has a very esteemed alumni group. I know. So what I would assume that their end up is probably a little bigger. So what's going on at Howard? It's twice what Spelman is twice what Spelman's is. Donnie, why do you feel like these issues exist at your former school? I want to talk deeper about it.

this. I need to talk to one of these faculty, these faculty members or one of these kids. What's going on at Howard? Yeah, like Rachel just said, my mind directly goes to my dean. He was the, the guy who was right above us and right above the problem that I had. And I mean, it's hard to speculate because it's probably, it's a layered situation. It's complicated, but it does seem like something shady is going on. I don't want to like throw accusations out there, but, something's not right. I mean, that much money for an entitlement. I looked up twice.

I got the number twice. Yeah, I mean, look. So the president at Howard right now is Wayne A.I. Frederick. That's his name. And he is AI because he ain't sharing. Okay. He ain't sharing. He's getting that bitch and he's shooting that bitch.

he's a surgeon he serves as the distinguished Charles R. Drew Professor of Surgery. Now, here's the thing. Higher learning audience, we don't know what it's going to take to make this situation between Howard and some of its faculty better. We don't want to villainize one person unfairly for this. However, I would say that as the president of the university, if it's not this guy's problem that he created, it's certainly his job to fix it. it. And so what we are going to do is connect with some people in the Howard alumni group or some of

these, some of these faculty members and see how they feel like this problem can be solved. Like what has to happen to solve this problem? And why with the school that really has such a hefty endowment is not a poor school law? Why do these problems keep rearing their ugly heads? you say it's greed. I mean, I just, we say we're not speculating. I'm totally speculating. I have no idea, but it just doesn't make sense. When I see the people with power making this amount of money,

but then the people who are in charge of educating these students and making sure that they are equipped with the things that they need to to go out into this world and succeed, some of them are getting paid less than $40,000. When you have students that would rather live in tents than stay in their dorms, this is a problem. But I said this the last time we talked about it, our vice president went to that school. So it's also just like I applied to Howard undergraduate and Howard Law School.

Okay, got waitlisted for the law school. Just put that out there. Did not get in. What? That did. I did. They waitlisted me for the law school. I had it in college.

They waitlisted me. Whatever. But I have a lot of friends who went there. So I just, I'm more so too. I'm wondering what the alum think about what's happening. You know, there are a lot of prestigious people that graduated from the school. Undergraduate, graduate school. I just, I think this is a real problem.

And we thought that it was, it's just stopped with the facilities. But now it's with the faculty as well. And the fact that I can't believe, Dada, I don't realize you went to college that long ago and not realize this problem had been going on for that long. This is ridiculous. Ridiculous. Fucking punish Dony right there. Donnie, I didn't realize you were that old.

Fuck. There's a compliment. Baby face. I just been. The problem has been going on for such a long time. And we're just now learning about it. I mean, well, you knew about it, but they silenced you, Donnie. They sent you to Michigan.

They exiled you. Donnie was a whistleblower. They silenced Donnie and sent them to Michigan. Donnie, I can't. By the way, just let you know this guy is one of the most accomplished people I've ever seen before my life, the president of Howard. AI. You mean accomplishing ways outside of being the president of Howard? is just fucking

it's nuts like he first of all he went to the University of Texas by the way for his oncology study so he has a he's he has some ties to Texas so it probably tells you wise but there's been some controversies

here in his Wikipedia page we're just doing a quick Wikipedia on him there have been some controversies during his run as as president there've been some controversies he he says in in 2014 he was paid

$953,000 ranking $453,000 ranking 45th best paid among 510 presidents of private American colleges. The winter of that year, classes were postponed because the college was unable to heat its facilities. Yo, there's a deep problem happening in our university. But he's getting paid.

In 2018, he made a million bucks. His chic just keeps going up. Yeah, now he's at like 1.6. Yeah. It's wild. And the school just keeps in the facilities seem to keep getting worse. Faculty's not paying. Some of the faculty in 2017 said that Frederick did not care about black people and was a plantation overseer.

Fuck! I know exactly what you're going to be doing. doing when you get off this podcast. You're going to go down a deeper hole when it comes to whoever. What's his name? What's the man's name? We need to put it out there. His name is Wayne AI Frederick. And how long has he been president of Howard? It looks like for a while there. That so it looks like, oh, 2013, October 1st, 2013. He has been, look, there's no way because these issues predate him because Donnie was there in 2006. We have to find out what's going on at Howard University, you know. These issues predate him, but the faculty has, is this the first time we've seen this issue with the faculty?

I don't know. Sure. Sure. There have been calls, the Alumni Association had actually called for him to step down not too long ago. So, yeah. Look, in April 2018, faculty returned a vote of no confidence in him. Among the faculty who voted, 61% expressed a lack of faith in Frederick's leadership. this is fascinating to me.

This is fascinating to me in what's going on. I'm not, look, I don't know the man. I'm not trying to hate on it, but there's real tumult at Howard. We're going to get to the bottom of it. This is the very first Howard learned higher learning mystery. We're going to do a higher learning deep dive into this. I'm going to compile information.

I am. I'm going to compile information. I'm going to talk to people. And I'm going to find out what the fuck's going on at Howard University. I don't give a fuck anymore. $700 million. fucking Southern University has to have quite such

speaking to mysteries or not mysteries, but legal eagle issues. The family of Emmett Till wants the woman who made false accusations against Emmett Till to be charged with murder. We talked about this a little bit. Her name is Carolyn Bryant-Dunham.

It was Carolyn Bryant. She falsely accused Emmett Till of whistling at her or approaching her in some way doing something on tour towards her. in Mississippi in 195 In Matill

She was 21 He was 14 And Mattil was then beat to death She After years and years of living her natural Rabbit-ass life Came out and said That she accused him

Unfairly and unjustly Rachel Well she now says she didn't say that What does she say? She says she never said that She said that's not true that she said she did not Wait, you said she admitted she It was a lie, right?

Yes. She has since come back and said That's not true. She never said that she was lying. So this, I mean like, Take it for what you want. I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. I absolutely believe that she and several other people

got together to murder Emmett Till. and, you know, like you said, we spoke about this a little bit on the last podcast, but I absolutely feel like she should be charged. I don't think that we should let it go just because a lot of time has passed. I think that this is something that they should pursue and they should go after her. If she lied on Emmett Till, which I believe that she did, I think that she should see her day in court. It's time to do that.

And there are several people, there's a couple of people who have said, I think she admitted it to a an author or reporter. And there was somebody else that she admitted to it as well. Go ahead, go ahead. According to the New York Times in 2017, so the book was released in 2017, the name of this book is, it was the first report about Vanity Fair. The name of this book is The Blood of Emmett Till, which was published in 2017. The author of this book, who is Timothy B. Tyson, a professor at Duke University. He wrote that of her long ago allegations that Emmett Till grabbed her and was menacing and sexually crude towards her.

This is what he said. She said, and this is a quote, that part is not true. Okay. That part is not true that Emmett Till did not do those things to her. We do know that it's on the basis of the thought or allegation that Emmett Till did those things to her. her that she that he was killed furthermore there was a court case where everybody testified about what happened and what went on and everybody said stuff and the men that did this to him until were acquitted so somebody's lying somewhere either she's told two lies one lie or

three lies but there seems to be at least uh some cloud here around whether or not she's actually come to Jesus on this. But I think the guy to talk to is Timothy B. Tyson, the man who she spoke to when she made this, when she made this, this, I guess, alleged admission of what went on between her and Matil and 55. And the problem is it's he said, she said at this point. And sadly, the one person that we would want to talk to is no longer with us because of her and her family and whoever else got together to murder him. And that's the issue is if you're just looking at it, taking the emotion out of it and you're looking at it from a legal point of view, it's,

if she's saying one thing, you know, this author is saying that she told him something else, if it becomes a he said, she said, it's kind of hard to pursue this as a case, but I understand exactly why the family wants to go after her. And I personally think that that should happen. even if at the end of the day she's not charged or found guilty, they should at least pursue some sort of case in investigation after her. I mean, I think they have said that they investigated it, and she's saying that she never recanted her story. But for the family's sake, I think there's something should be done here.

Okay. So let's say that just for argument's sake, that she didn't deny that she recanted her story. She is 88 years old. I think we talked about this a little bit of the last podcast. She's 88 years old now. She admits that she lied about this. What's the proper punishment?

I mean, she should be charged with the crime. I don't know what the exact criminal charges, but for messing up an investigation for aiding and abetting because her lie is what they held on to to murder him. Is there not a statute of limitations on all of that stuff? There might be. I don't know. I'm just, I'm literally.

I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know if there's just a, well, it would confuse me why the family's going after this if there is a statute of limitations. You know what I mean? There must not be because then this, because otherwise this whole thing would be moot.

So there must be something there because somebody would tell them, well, it's just not possible because. Well, they want her charge with murder, which there's no statute of limitations on. I don't see how, to be honest with you, I don't see how there could be a murder charge. Well, it would be a lower degree of murder, right?

Like, it's not, it wouldn't be first degree. Probably wouldn't even be second degree. I don't know what, you know, again, I don't know what the criminal code or the penal code is in that state. But if her lie is the reason that he was murdered, yeah, there could be a murder charge. Interesting. It just wouldn't be first or second degree. Like, there's levels to it. But again, I don't know with the penal code and state that it had.

What did it have? Penal. Okay. Okay. My guys are so obsessed. Penal. Penal colony. Penal code.

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Some of the businesses that have like ceased operation over there in Russia. I think Facebook is down in Russia. I've seen some credit card companies down in Russia. I think American Express, if you're in Russia, you might as well leave home without it because it don't work. So I think there are a couple of different companies over. there, a lot of companies, if we're being honest. There are companies that for the yachts owned by the oligarchs.

The oligarchs are getting their yacht privileges revoked. It's going crazy. There are, though, a couple of holdouts, and they prompt some very interesting, some very interesting, I feel like, philosophical and intellectual debates. I really do. Papa Johns is holding out. It's facing backlash right now.

U.S. franchisee refuses to close, a hundred and ninety Russian stores. The guy's name is Christopher Wayne told the New York Times that he's not going to close his pizza shops controlled by the piece of shops controlled by his company but mostly owns by Russians. Most of them by Russians.

He said the 190 stores are the vast majority of Russia's Papa John's locations. Quote, the best thing I can do as an individual is show compassion for the people. my employees, franchisees, and customers without judging them because of the politicians in power. These guys from Colorado. So the situation is this. He has a company. The company that he owns owns all of these stores.

But it looks like as if there are franchisees that are under his company that own these stores. Okay. So the company itself, Papa Johns, said it would, spend corporate operations in Moscow, in Russia. But this guy individually, not on a corporate level, doesn't have to abide by that so he can still shell out the pizza. Is he right or wrong? I mean, it's hard for me to say if he's right or wrong.

I mean, this is what he's saying. He's saying, yes, he's American. he's married to a Russian woman. He spends half his time, it sounds like, between Russia and in the United States. He has a child. Child's grown up in both places. He is making this emotional plea where he is saying that, you know, and with his company, he's partnered with other Russians, right?

And they have these franchises. He is saying that he understands what it is that Russia is doing, but the people of Russia, the Russians shouldn't be punished by what Putin is doing. And he's saying that he doesn't want to put good, hardworking people who may oppose the war out of work. He doesn't want to put them out of being able to get food that they've depended on, okay, for such a long time. You know what I say? Bullshit. At the end of the day, it all comes down to money.

and this and like when there's an article that kind of breaks down how much money he's bringing in versus how much money he is in debt and he's a little bit in the red here he is going to suffer these franchises he's going to his company's going to suffer these franchises are going to suffer if he shuts down his business this has nothing to do with the employees yes they might be out of work and that is true but at the end of the day he is motivated by money and it is and if he's going to suffer financially he doesn't want to shut these papa johns down period that's it at the end of the day so you can you can miss me with the whole i'm looking i'm looking i'm looking out for the people and all of this when your financial interest are tied into it you can't separate the two and i think that this man is is motivated by money and i mean it's it's not just papa johns is getting like on an on an international um in an international way they're getting the backlash the company is but they can't control what their franchisees, franchises do. Same thing is happening to the company that owns Kentucky.

And Pizza Hut, Kentucky Fried Chicken. Yeah, they have, they can, they can shut things down with what they own because that's what McDonald's is doing. But when it comes to these franchises, they necessarily don't have the power to do that. And it's up to these individuals who own them or these companies that own them. First of all, this is what I think. I think that we should continue to operate those fast food joints in Russia

because like taking away all of their junk food that's only going to make them stronger, right? They're going to be running around here having abs having stamina and then if there's ever like a ground war in Russia, we're going to be dealing with a bunch of fucking super soldiers

because all they had to do is eat organic shit. They're going to be eating organic shit. All of these people are going to fucking whole foods. We took them. going away all that fucking KFC? The KFC of Russia, got to be trash. There's no way that the KFC in Russia is good.

It's not even really good here. It's got to be trash there. It's got to be trash. And now we're taking it away. That would be slowing them down. It's going to backfire. So this is what deal. Two things. Number one, this reminds me of another situation. And by the way, Rachel, you're right. It is

about money. But if it's about money, I say so what. I really say so what? I'll tell you, this reminds me of This reminds me of another situation. Do you remember when Papa John himself, Daddy John? How would I forget? Remember when he went nigger crazy some years back? Nigger, nigger, nigger.

Yeah. He was on there saying, nigga. Papa John was just like, fuck it. I don't give a fuck. I make the best pizza. I got garlic sauce and you niggas going to eat it. I think the pizza's terrible. I'm over it.

Like, this is another thing that separates me from people. I don't eat a cheap pizza anymore. Like, that's something I'm trying to get. get the midnight boys to see the midnight boys shout out to steve allman producer steve he was talking to me one time about little seizes i'm like steve gosh jesus christ what the fuck are you doing to yourself like you know i went to steve's house one time he had a good pizza there but i bring steve over and we eat the berries the lobster pizza pizza baby if you get pizza pizza do it right steve come on get the fuck off the fucking wait wait i got to defend little seizers i feel like it

tastes different coming from the midwest midwest midwit's midwit Western Little Seizers is different from LA Little Seizers or Downside Little Seizers. There's no, there's no such thing. Donnie, guess what? A five-hour pizza is a $5 a $5 pizza, nigga. How about that? A $5 pizza is a $5 pizza. They can't even afford to make that bitch taste good.

Do you know the budget of one pizza at Osteria Moza? Do you know the budget? I'm not dissing anybody that eats. I love Papa Jones, but I can't do it now. All right. So we digress. Doesn't Little Seizers have two pizzas for $5.99? Isn't that why they say pizza pizza, which means that that pizza cost $2.50?

You know what they're doing? $3? Is that what it is? They're doing it with the pizza. They're doing the same thing Joe Exotic was doing with the pizza, which is taking all the leftover meat from Walmart that he was getting to feed the fucking tigers and they're putting it on a pizza. Donahy eating leftover shit. I don't know. By the way, little Sears is great if they want to sponsor higher learning. Whatever, I'll eat the pizza.

But here's a deal. When he went nigger crazy that time, we boycotted Papa Johns. Remember? It's like all of a sudden, Papa Johns was, he never ate it. All of a sudden, Papa Johns was the official pizza of the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. Correct. All right. Do you know what happened that was interesting?

Is when I was at TMZ and that story was going on, I started to get direct calls from black Papa John's. franchisees. Really? And it was a really interesting social and intellectual conundrum because they were telling me that they were as far removed from the head of Papa John's

as anyone, right? And that this boycott, although in spirit, the right thing to do, was affecting these black people negatively and once again they were having to pay

for the sins of a rich white man and I had never thought about that before now it's not a one to one here because we got a deal with Russia and we got a deal with Russia and there are a lot of lives on the line here and it's not just lives on the line here

there's world stability on the line there's all of this stuff if it's between this guy and his franchisee's going broke and the safety and security of Ukraine, it's a hell of a conversation. It's a hell of a comparison or choice, should I say. But obviously, you know which one I would choose. I will say, though, I have a hard time thinking that he's greedy or thinking that he's in some

way, like, out of school because he's not willing to shut his businesses down because of what Vladimir Putin is doing. I don't think... Go ahead. Go ahead. I wouldn't say that he's greedy, but don't try to spin it as in I care about the people. When it's really, it is based on you're going to be out of some money. And I think that when you, the reason you said it's not a one-to-one here is because the reason

that these companies have pulled out is because they're making a statement saying that they don't want to support the economy. They don't want to do things that are going to bolster the economy of Russia. So that's how I feel like you have to look at these. It's like which one, which one are you going to hold, you know, which one is better than the other? He's saying money is, in my opinion. And it's not that black and white and I get it. And I do get the other side of it.

But I guess I just didn't like how he tried to play into the emotional side of it and just say, listen, I'm going to take a financial hit. I don't want to shut it down. You know, I don't want to close these businesses and put people out of business or whatever. Like, stop acting like you're doing it because you're like, one with the people. So I'm sure he, I'm sure he cares about his employees. I know that's not the,

if they make him money. That's not the paramount care. He cares about that. He cares about serving them pepperonies, baby. That's what he cares about. But the reality is, I think it's easy for a lot of us who are over here that all we really have to do

to support Ukraine is to change our profile picture or to say prayers for Ukraine. I think it would be a different situation for a lot of people if they had to shut down nearly 200 stores in order to show their support for Ukraine. And I'm not saying, you know, hey, with great power comes great responsibility and a lot of fucking pepperoni or whatever. But I'm just saying I had a hard time looking at this guy as the bad guy. No. Can I ask you this? Can't you say that this is a risk that he took knowing that relations are strained between the U.S. and Russia?

isn't this an inherent risk of it? Like, obviously he just doesn't really care. But I'm just saying it wasn't far-fetched that relations between the U.S. and Russia, I know it's not our war, but I'm just saying we're going to be strained. I mean, he even, if you keep reading this, he was, his business was affected with, with, I think, something with products and supply because of what happened in 2013 between the U.S. and Russia. So it's like, it's almost, I guess, well, I guess I'm answering my own question.

Are you saying that this nigger should have never opened up Papa Johns in Russia in the first place? Well, I guess what I'm saying is, and so I'm saying I'm answering it is he never care. He doesn't care. Right. No, I'm just saying he just doesn't really care. That wasn't of importance to him, the fact that U.S. and Russia have, you know, a strained relationship. He was going to open it anyways because he saw a great business opportunity. He saw a great business opportunity.

Rachel, I can't blame the guy, man. At this point in my life I'm trying to get one of them oligarch Y'all. I'll open up a fucking Taco Bell in Volusia if I thought that bitch was going to turn a profit. If somebody said to you right now

if this man, Mr. Wend said, you know what? You can run one of my franchises. It's already generating a profit in Russia. You could take it over.

He would give me a franchise right now in Russia. He's going to give it to you. He's going to give it to you. I don't want to do it. If he gave it to me, I might take it. Think about that. Think about all the pizza money.

Think about all the toys, the Tisbos. Yeah, you got to go to Russia. You got to work with Russia. Now, he'd be taking y'all. Of course, I'm not doing that now. It's fucking bad. I'll only be part of it. People are dying.

But what I'm saying is that if it was just a hot zone a year ago, now there are places I wouldn't do it. I probably wouldn't do business in Saudi Arabia because it's a little too fucked. And there are probably some other places. But come on, man. Look, I get the criticism. I think the criticism is very valid because I do think we need to be on one of court. But I also think that if, look, the U.S. government came up with $47 billion just like that in order to give aid to people and stuff.

And it's very true. If American businesses and there are going to be people who are going to have to shut down over there, maybe we should look at some ways on how to sort of mitigate the amount of financial. instability that those people are going to go through. This guy seems to be very well off. He has 200 stores. I assume he'll be fine. But maybe he won't be. Maybe showing out those stores means that him and his family are fucked. I don't know. It's just a weird situation and it's weird to see

something Vladimir Putin do have to affect someone that's just trying to sell pizza. I mean, one of his business partners in his company is a Russian hockey player who has shown his support for Putin. Oh, well. See, that's different. Who's a hockey player? So, Vetschka D.

I don't know. I don't know his name. But it's a Russian hockey player who is outright said he supports Putin. Is it Yarmir Yager? Who is it? I used to love Russian hockey players. No, no. Javier Yager is Russian.

I think Pavel Bore was Russian. Do you do you know anything about how? Yamir Yager. Where's Yomir Yager from? I don't think he's from Russia. Yomir Yager. Ice hockey. I don't know.

I don't know hockey at all. He's from Chechnya. I think Pavel Bore. was the one that was from you never got to Russian ice hockey player yes Pavel Bore is his name he's oldest pissed now it's from Moscow all right Herschel Walker doesn't believe in evolution why are there still apes is what he said play the video now I tell something else I heard and I think about this because at one time science said man came from apes did it not

ayes every time I read or hear that I think to myself you just didn't read the same Bible I did. Well, this was interesting though. If that is true, why are there still apes? Think about it. You know, now you're getting too smart for us. No, no, no, no. Think about this. We have an evolution that is we've gotten so intelligent

that if that is true, why they're still apes? And then the conception of a baby. Let me tell you, science can't do that. They're still trying to do it. But it can't because there had to be a god. The conception of a baby. Abes. Abes, then why they're still

Abes. The conception of a baby. I have no comment. I have no comment on Herschel. None. I don't have anything to say much. Although I'm sure we will continue to keep talking about him as we get closer and closer to the election. Donnie, clip that.

Clip that conception of a baby. I want to, when we talk about sex at any point in the future of the podcast, I want you to, the conception of a baby. I got you. The conception. or otherwise known as the conception of a baby. This motherfucker. Okay. So I have a couple of things to say about this.

Number one, I'm not going to explain to Herschel Walker the way that they're, the way that that works. It's, you know, who fucking, you know, come on, man. You know, come on, Herschel. I'm not going to explain that. But I will say, though, that it's unfair. It's unfair. This is funny to us.

but I do feel like the response to this is kind of touching all what I talked about in the last. There are millions of people who believe this. Millions. I see, I haven't seen the response to this clip. The response is that this is obviously fucking crazy. But how do you deal with the fact? Let's look at a deeper issue here. How do you deal with the fact that there are millions of people who think that the earth is 6,000 years old?

That there are millions of people who don't believe that dinosaurs ever walk the earth? And there's actually a growing sentiment with those people. There are a million people who don't believe in evolution and don't believe in any of those things. And we have to build a community in the country with them. So Hersch Walker, what's happening with Hersch Walker is funny. And it would be funny. It's funny, but it would be hilarious if he was the only person that thought that way. So the question then becomes like, what do you do?

How do you deal with it? Like, what's the best way? I mean, I don't think that there's something that you necessarily deal with. I mean, we live in a society where or a world where people have differing views or have the wrong information about certain things. He obviously doesn't understand what evolution is. I'm actually shocked he said, where's the half man, half eight person walking around here? I'm actually shocked he didn't say something like that, which also falls right into that. And evolution isn't just about apes to humans, you know? So I just, you say, how do you address it? I don't know. I don't know if you do. There's no one

way to say, this is how we fix this so people can stop thinking. of it. People are going to choose to believe what they want to believe, just like religion. You know what I mean? I do think there's a way. I do think there's a way. I think there's a response to Herschel Walker. Oh, God. What is it? What is it? Oh, yeah. Well, I think the response for people who questioned some of these things in the past is like to open your eyes, right? Okay. Open your eyes, right? So God created a pretty, creation itself is dynamic, right?

Creation itself, it is, it is. It's dynamic. It's a dynamic principle. The earth itself is a machine, and it's a machine that takes continuously different input and generates different things for the purpose of feeding itself. Plants need the sun. The sun is there for a reason, but plants need the sun for photosynthesis. Photosynthesis then feeds.

all of us. These things are all dynamic, right? They all happen all the time. So the belief that a higher power, God, would have created the earth in a static place with zero type of forward movement, zero type of change, zero type of evolution from one state to another is counterintuitive to the world if you look at it right now. Everything changed. changes and involves. If they dropped Rachel Lindsay, right now with your iPhone and all this stuff on your face and your mic, if they dropped you right now in 1865, they would think you were a witch. In 1665 or whatever, they probably burn you as one because of what your iPhone could do.

So everything is changing and evolving. So the question then would be, why can't human beings? Why can't animals? Then the question would be with having this conversation, is there explicitly anything that is written in scripture anywhere that says we can't? Is there anything written in scripture anywhere? Anywhere? So I think the reason why I ask these questions is rather this is why having quote unquote having the conversation is important because it's easy to laugh at that because, you know, the conception of a baby is very funny. but talking to someone about the things in their own natural world

that they are ignoring to believe that the earth never changes or has never changed or that we have never changed, it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And I don't think sometimes that we go out of our way to engage the people that we need to engage in order to change one, two, three minds at a time. Well, because when you're dealing with someone who comes from like those two men, Hersia Walker,

the man he was sitting on that stage with having that conversation, they take the Bible as very literal. And if it's not in it, it didn't happen. And even growing up, that's how, that's how things were taught to us. Oh, you find it in the Bible. If it's not in the Bible, it's not true. It didn't happen. And that's what, so if it doesn't say it, then it didn't exist, rather than thinking outside of it as if not everything that happened. I mean, even as you get older, you learn, hey, there were other books to the Bible. There were certain things that didn't, you know what I mean it's like it was put together with just these 66 books but you were taught or at least i was taught and i know a lot of people where a lot of christians were that if it's not in it it didn't

happen and that's that mindset of those two men sitting on that stage having that conversation he even says i don't remember reading that in the bible or whatever he said is the invention of the airplane in the bible i bet those guys will fly on listen oh ezekiel saw a will in the middle of a wheel Oh, get your back, scripture-wise. No, but you know what I'm saying, right? Like, of course, you open your eyes and you see that there's so much more to that, but when you, but there was a time, and I don't know if it's still like that, but growing up, yeah, that's how, this is what we're told.

Okay, we're going to hold a story. Every show we're going to hold a story so we can be a little bit more informed on it. There's a story out of Tennessee right now. We're a comptroller to take over majority black town of Mason. Tennessee ahead of Ford investment in West Tennessee. The story is absolutely crazy. I want a little bit more time with it to get to the meat of it, the beat of the story. Is it crazy?

You don't think it's crazy? I don't know. Maybe we'll go into a little bit more of it. No, fuck it. Give it to us. Race doesn't think it's crazy. No, no, no. It's not that I just, we could talk more into it.

The reason I say it's not as crazy as I feel like you're making it seem is because it's legal. I'm not saying anything legal is okay, but I think I was shocked when I read the headline and then I was even more like, huh, when I read the story, when I found out this is a law that exists within the city. I don't even think this, I mean, in the state, I don't even think this is a law that should exist. But I thought, wow, this man actually has the power to do this. We could talk more about it later. but I thought he was doing something that was illegal that he couldn't technically by state law he can not saying it's right I just that's why I wasn't crazy me no fuck it let's get into it right now because rachie you have a take and I never back up from a take we're not first take we're best take all right this was going on

tennessee comptroller jason mumpower said Tuesday that he will be taking control of the finances of mason see. There's a majority black town of about 1,500 people located within five miles of the future site of Blue Oval City, the Ford electric truck and battery plant that represents one of the largest manufacturing investments in the state's history. This is very important. What we've talked about a lot of times as Americans is the fact that there are cutting edge, sometimes bleeding edge technologies that people want and need, but for some reason, Americans in places like the South, the Rust Belt, some places in the Midwest are not getting the opportunity to be around plants and manufacturing that would take advantage of our need to develop those

technologies. I'm not saying that electric cars or trucks is cutting edge or bleeding edge. What I'm saying is that having replacing steel, and car plants with electric car plants to me would seem like a way to revitalize large swaths of the American economy. Now, so here's a situation. I'm sad for the taxpayers of Mason, he said, we'll be working hard to step in and get their finances in shape. Now, the Comptroller's move comes over the objections of Mason's elected officials.

They don't want that, who have been fighting to maintain control over their town since Mum Power issued an ultimatum last month, either seeing control of Mason's 153-year-old charter or face a financial takeover by the state. Releasing the charter would have placed the majority black, majority Democrat town under the control of a largely white and Republican-led Tipton County. On Monday night, the town's board of aldermen

in an emergency meeting pass a resolution to keep their charter, Vice Mayor Virginia Rivers said on Tuesday. Financial takeover is still going to happen. It's going to give the comptroller veto power over every expense of $100 or more limiting the authority of elected officials to embark on plans already underway

to implement beautification projects, improve infrastructure, and higher codes enforcer. Benefit, workforce, and other budget cuts may soon follow. They are essentially essentially, in my opinion, they're black Wall Streeting this town.

In my opinion, this is a war without a sword and a destruction without a bomb. Rivers last week likened the comptroller's efforts to take control from Mason's duly elected officials as akin to a hostile takeover coming just as Mason is poor,

to reap benefits from billions of dollars in investments from the region and the region from Florida. Now, all of the people out there right now that listen to American propaganda about how black people in this country have an equal and fair shake, I want you to pay attention to a story like this. This is a story where basically what you have here are black people elected in a place that is about to reap financial benefits that under this guise of everything is all equal and everything is all competitive capitalism should be a non-issue. But as soon as something happens when they get up, the specter of white supremacy reinforced by American law, not unlike what Rachel is saying, swoops in and says, we'll take your

money from here. And this used to happen with fires and white terrorism and bombs and guns. and now it happens through redlining, through usury, it happens through contract manipulation, and it happens through exploitation of situations like this. Rachel, you said you had a take, and you said the black people of Mason here are stupid and they should accept what's going on to them. So what were you? Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. No, when I first heard the story, I think everything that you're saying is true. And then as I looked into it a little bit more, I saw that, okay, one, the comptroller is legally allowed to do this. This is some law that exists in Tennessee. I'm not saying that that's right. Just because you can do it doesn't mean that you should do it. But then I also saw that this isn't the first time that this has happened in the state of Tennessee.

My question would be, it's happened in a few other counties where the comptroller has come in when it believes that there's a financial oversight or there's issues with the way that the county or the city, the town is handling the money. So this isn't a one-off. If it was a one-off, I'm like, I feel even more about the way you're talking about Black Wall Street. It isn't. It's happened before. So there's precedent where the comptroller has come in and done this. My question would be in these other counties, are they majority black and run by Democrats?

I don't know. I just know that it has happened before. So that's why I say, I don't know if it's necessarily a Black Wall Street thing. The reason that the mom power, comptroller mum power is allegedly coming in is because there's a 20 year history of fiscal mismanagement in this town. Now, granted, that mismanagement was from white people. And it wasn't until 2015 that someone black came in and the black leaders in this community have been trying to rectify this situation and come out of this debt that has been, has plagued their city for such a long time. So the comptroller is coming in allegedly and saying that, hey, you haven't done this. I'm coming in to help to help manage the money.

I'm not saying that his intentions are right. I have no idea. But the reason I say that I'm not quick to jump to the argument that you're making is because it's been done before. Now, if in the other counties it has been done and they're majority black, I'm right there with you. but would it change your mind if this has happened before in other white towns? No, and I'll tell you why. Fuck them other counties. Fuck them other counties because I'm down with my county.

Fuck them other counties because I'm down with my county. Fuck the other counties. I arrived with my county. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why it wouldn't change my mind. Okay. It obviously slightly skews the racial aspect of this.

Of course. But let me tell you why it wouldn't change my mind fundamentally. if you got 20 years of fiscal mismanagement by the town, why hadn't they taken over before now? I agree with you. So if you had 20 years of fiscal mismanagement, why are you waiting until Ford says to come in and invest into the town to get into it now?

I have an argument. And I'd like to hear it. You know what? Before I go on with my second point, give me your argument. So what I would say is, would it offend you more if the moment they elected a black mayor and black people started running it,

that they immediately swoop in and say, we're taking over. Because the leadership changed in 2015. So we're going on seven years here. Right. I think it would offend me more if the moment that black people were elected as officials, you swoop in and you take control.

Or did you allow seven years to go to help them to see if they could figure it out and get out of it themselves before you come in and allegedly help? I'm just playing devil's advocate. Do you know what a great way to fix? figure out financial mismanagement and faults and all of that? How about an infusion of cash?

How about billions of dollars of funding? How about you give them the opportunity? This is another thing to me that's steeped in white supremacy, the belief that they can't govern themselves. Because I'll tell you what I think. I think that as long as this county was operating in a fucked up way and white people were in control of it, they let them do whatever they were going to do. Some niggas is on there.

You know what I'm so? Yeah. Go to the nigger car. Some black people are in control of the county now, and they absolutely have the chance to dig themselves out of it with the fact that there is money coming in and a corporation coming in. And now a white man feels that he needs to parent them. Look, if the money would have come in and it's two, three, four, five years after and

they didn't put fucking spinners on all of the cop cars and like they didn't change. out the fucking shit and you got a fucking big Fubu store in the middle of the city hall and niggas are riding around and seven new strip clubs and all of that nigger shit. If all of that goes down, hey, they're not doing things right. Step in. They're not even giving them a chance

which is what happens whenever something good happens for black people. And more so forget about the fact that he thinks he needs to do it. They are saying no. They're saying we don't want you to do that. They're saying we want a chance to build our community under the guys and under the sort of

auspices of what we think is the best way to go about doing it. And this guy is saying, no, you got a history. We didn't get involved before. But now that's something good is happening to, you're going to get involved now. Is it as racial as I thought it was? Could be 2% less. But still, I would say any time where black people are asking to govern themselves and a white man says no, racial.

Listen, I would agree with you. Like, I probably think you're right. I probably do think it is racially motivated. And I don't like the fact that he's like, well, you know, I don't think that you guys are equipped to take advantage of the growth and the new investments that are going to come to you. I do. I agree with you.

But I also found it interesting that the comptroller has stepped in before with other counties. So I was like, you know, there could be another side to this. I get you. Let me ask you a question. And all of your days of batch where people were against you, did they ever come up with a nickname for you of race? Racial Lindsay? No, they didn't

How did they miss that? Black Schlerette, yes. Black Shlurette? Racial Lindsay should have been some, this shows me that they're not really as bright over there on the KKK Bachelor World. Or just scared to say that. Or she's scared.

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Two stories of sports. Colin Kaepernick wants to play in the NFL. Do you have a problem with this? I don't under can you help. I know you're and I, you know, like believe in everything that cap stands for. Right. But why you want to, other than I get you love football and this is what you've done and you love the game. Why would you want to be a part of the organization and company that's running it? I guess for me it feels like, you know, we joke about soup kitchen and we talk about what has happened in Batser World. but I want to be

I still want to be a part of Bachelor Nation with everything you know I that's what I compare it to I just but granted I haven't Bachelor hasn't been my whole life it's not what I you know it's not a hop

it's not what I love to do it's not my profession it's not my profession and a hobby but help me understand why you want to be a part of this organization when it has been so terrible to you and has not changed from what we can see to this day. I don't get it.

All right. So I'll answer that in two ways. Number one, I can't speak for Colin Kaepernick. I can only tell you what he's told me. And I don't know if it makes a lot of this. I can't speak for Colin Kaepernick. I spoke to Colin Kaepernick on the phone years ago.

And like I said before on this podcast, what he told me was that, yo, I've been doing this since I was seven years old. And this is really the only way I can do this and be viable at it. there's no other opportunity. They have a monopoly on my talent. Now, Colin is talented in other ways, and so is Nessa. But they have a monopoly on my talent. The coldest thing I was ever told when I was working at TMZ

and I wanted to go start my own podcast, right? Before I negotiated into my contract, I had a lawyer tell me, like the contract that you've signed, we own your talent. And we talked about that before. I've said that. I was just like, what the fuck? Right. For Colin Kaepernick, everything that he has honed himself to be able to do, the place that he can display it is the NFL.

So it is a little bit of a, I compare it to a different, I compare it to a different situation. All right. I compare Colin Kaepernick's wanting to play in the NFL to black people wanted to be successful in America. there's absolutely zero difference. The difference is, tell you why, okay? So right now, could you move to another country?

Sure. It's racist here. Why wouldn't you? Because this is where you're from. This is what you've known and what you really want to do is be a part of what you're into. Like, listen,

don't make no mistake about it. You're born into America as a black American. Most, like, at one point, and you, are existing in the country because this is where you were born. At some point, if you become a successful Black American, if you become an successful American period,

at some point you make a choice. And that choice is to participate in the American experiment. It's to participate in American capitalism. And the reasons why you participate are all reasons that make a lot of sense. Your whole family is here. You like it here. You love your hometown. But you also realize that the country that you look,

live in is horribly racist, is actually, not only is it racist, it's powered by your exploitation, which is the same thing as an NFL football player. The NFL is powered by the exploitation of its workforce. America is powered by the exploitation, not just of black people, but of all kinds of people who don't have as much agency or safety in America. But all of us, we wake up every single day and we think about the best way to go forward and do that. And we think that it's a choice, but really, if we don't want to wholesale change our lives from what we thought there were, the question becomes, how much of a choice is it really? When I say, hey, you can leave and go to another country, everyone goes, yeah, Van, of course, because that's a major

upheaval that no one really wants to undertake because this is where you are. Telling Colin Kaepernick that after years and years and years and years of being a football player, that he is just supposed to forget about it, to me, is tantamount to that same choice. It's a choice that no one else has to make. And it's a choice that's easy to make when you don't have to put your life's work aside. So while it is really interesting that he would still want to play in a league that he views in the way that you and I do, the question would be, then why do you and I watch that league? It's not even our lives. Us watching it is not the same thing of what it.

You're right. It's not our life's work, which is why it's, that's different to me. Us watching it is exactly the same. It's actually worse because, because us watching it is exactly the same. It's him playing it. Us watching it, we like, we don't even have to watch the NFL to do what we're doing it. We're doing it for leisure. We're doing it for fun.

We're watching a racist league because it's fun for us. This is the only way, this is the only thing he really knows how to do. So if anything for him. That's not the only thing he knows how to do. He's doing a lot of other stuff. No, he's doing a lot of other stuff. He's learned to do. It's what he wants to do.

It's what he wants to do. It's what he is particularly, specifically, and uniquely gifted and talented for. I'm not saying he can't want to play in the NFL. I just don't understand the why. And I think when you compare it to America,

it's just like such a grander thing than and what he's, he's doing to me seems more specific. Like for me to leave the country, but to me to leave the country is a lot, to me, is totally different and a lot bigger things that I would have to do.

Then, then, you know, you've settled with the NFL, you got paid from the NFL, you've done other things and used what happened to you as a springboard to show, to shine a light and to showcase the wrongs of the NFL, yet you still want to be in the NFL. And I think that the way that you would have to be in the NFL. It'd be different if he stepped in, if he got to come back to the NFL

in a front office position as an owner, totally different. But to subject yourself to this and be controlled by this very people who colluded against you, who you had to pay you money, just it's like I just don't understand it. And I think it's so specific that it's hard for me to come say that's the same thing as living and working in a racist country. But that's just, right, it's not the same thing. It's not a one-to-one, which should be the name of this podcast. But I understand, but I understand, I understand what you're saying about. What I'm saying is we all have, I'm sorry, I did not mean to cut you off. No, no, go ahead. Go ahead.

Yeah. What I'm saying is a lot of these decisions seem to be like, this is what I mean by the American comparison. Do you know why we don't want to leave America? Do you know why? The reason why is, first of all, it's very hard and it's not as easy. You'd be leaving a whole bunch of things. It's completely different. But do you know what the thing is? We're American.

Like, we're American. Like, the bottom line is, as much as we understand how racist as America is, as much as we understand how fucked up America is, the fucking real bullshit. The thing that really keeps you up at night, that really fucks with you, that really gets to you is you're an American. You're not what you used to be, and you don't know what you're going to be. So we're African by lineage, but culturally we're not, right? We don't know what we're going to be once we figure it out, but for right now, we know that we are wayward and exploited Americans. Colin Kaepernick is a football player.

No matter how he became a football player, no matter why he's a football player, he's been to the top of the top of his craft, and he loves it. is a football player. It's inconvenient that he's a football player that needs the NFL as much as it is, inconvenient that we are black Americans that identify as that and are a part of our country. It's inconvenient, but it is what it is. And if we look at him, the same way we look at a little bit of nuance as us living in the country and also us watching the NFL, which we realize is racist, if we use that same nuance on him, then we do on us, then we'll realize it's really, not that big of a deal that he wants to play.

So if football is the end all beyond, you love the game and you enjoy it so much, then what do you say to the people who are like, well, then just play it, but play it somewhere else. You can't. Playing Canada. Play and play it, play in the FCF. You know what I'm saying?

That's not, that's not a viable. Like you, that's asking him, that's asking him to take a step back now. That's asking him to take a step back. I understand it, though. Yes, it's not on the same level, but if it's for the game and that's what you really want to do. Because, I mean, play, show people you still got it.

Play the game because you need it. You love it. You feel like you need that in your life to keep going. Play the game. But again, I could care less. If he goes to NFL good for him, I'm going to be rooting for him. Because like we said, we watch it still, I'm just trying to understand why. That's just my biggest question.

When I see that, when I see that, if they offered you to be host of The Bachelor it right now would you do it? No because mentally I don't think I can handle it that's 100% honest if I was strong if I was strong enough my mental health was in a different place when it comes to that show specifically absolutely because I would take that check but I know how to prioritize my mental health and I could not handle being the head of that show right now yeah well with what will come with that cap is stronger than you he wants to play in the league he's also more years removed for me than when it happened to him. I'm just fucking with you.

So give me a couple of years. But I really wish him the best and happiness. And I hope he finds fulfillment in whatever it is that he tries to do. Because I am a fan and supporting him. I just, I think a lot of people want to know why. So that's why I ask the question. Whatever he wants to do, I'm cool with it. All right, play this Michael Beasley audio real quick.

Michael Beasley, former NBA basketball player was on the Pivot podcast. He talked a lot about his life and a lot about the things that he go. he's going through and has gone through in his basketball career. If you don't know who Michael Beasley was, excuse me, he is one of the most talented basketball players that has ever lived. However, his NBA career did not quite turn out to live up to his number two overall selection. He's just silky smooth, 6-8, 6-9 guy can score from anywhere. And in a different situation, might have been one of the all-time greats, but he's talking about right now, not about basketball, by his life and it took the internet over check it up said secrets with people that

turn secrets and information like I said I'm talking about my own mother's store RP my own mother's store for me you feel me like I had to wake up one day in the league one day in the summertime and find out everybody was stealing for me down everybody for my financial advisor for my mom to everybody in my family to everybody was you dig what I'm saying to the point where... Getting the cut. To the point where I was faced with two evils.

It's like, okay, do I let this shit go on and not tell them because this is my family? Or do I cut them off and don't have no family? What was your decision? At first, I just, you know, I tried to explain to them, but you can't explain a million other problems that somebody ain't never seen $10 before. Huh.

Don't have much to say. I just want to say. Michael Beasley, I see you, bro. Yeah. I thought something that was really powerful. And you guys should go check that out. The whole episode is interesting. When he talked about the way that we laugh and we mock people when they show signs of, you know, distress, when they're showing their hurt, when they show emotion.

And we make fun of them. We tease it. We write it off as if it's not real or if they're, you know, like they're, you know, like they're, They're not actual people who are suffering and going through things. And he said, what, what does it mean when it, when this person has to be in public and is actually crying so emotional? He was talking about, um, Dwight Howard. Like, what must he be going through that he can't even keep it within him that he's crying out loud in public? And I thought, and like when we, we talked a lot about Kanye on this podcast and a lot of people, you know, we talk about it, I feel like in a, in a real way, in a serious way.

And we take what he, what, what he's doing in a serious way. like we address it. You know, if it's wrong, it's wrong. We call it out. If we feel like he's going through something, he's struggling with his mental health, we call it out. But when you look at things on social media, when you look at how people respond,

Michael Beasley's right. We treat it as a joke. We don't realize that people are, that these superstars, these athletes, musicians, celebrities are human beings and suffering and going through it. And I thought that that was so powerful when he was talking about it. And he feels like we still do it.

And despite, yes, we talk about mental health and we're normalizing it and we're having these conversations and, you know, people are being comfortable, but we're still have such a long way to go because it's the same way we talk about racism. It's so embedded in our society. Racism is that it's going to be here forever or at least a long time. I feel that way about mental health. For so long, we were told to not talk about our feelings that emotions are a sign of weakness that we still don't know how to be there for people or help people or understand when people are going through something with their mental health. I don't know.

I just thought that was so, it was heartbreaking to hear him talk about it. It was. It was. It was. And I thought everything you said was well said, Rachel. Well said. Just, you know, people are people. And people.

He's nice with a basketball. But this guy talked about the fact that they didn't should have closed. they shared covers like they shared like they used to sleep with a feet inside of the arms and a jacket they didn't say it in bed they should just nuts

just nuts and he made it out 33 year old guy's got so much life to live and he could live it well with a lot of happiness and I just hope that basketball or not he finds some peace because that's what we're all looking for okay mailback time god damn it donnie you better fucking perform

mailbag let's go mailback time time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them oh it's mailback time write us with your queries and we'll chime in all right uh Corey I love that daddy doesn't match your energy all right I'm not true true I'm not A little monkey. I'm not a performing monkey. Whoa. Is that what you told the kids is Howard when you left? Anyway, go ahead. No, that's what he told Hershiel Walker.

Yeah. I'm not an AIM. Corey KobiR on Reddit asks, what's one time you regret being the bigger person? Can I be honest? Yeah. Every time. That is the most honest.

answer. Every time you have to be the bigger person. You just want to be petty all day, every day. Oh my God. Yes. Every, I've been the bigger person so many times, like so much. But every, every time, like, and it's almost like sometimes I can be the bigger person, but like I can't, I'm still waiting for you to fuck up again. But literally, every time I've been the bigger person it's hurt. I don't know if I, I wouldn't say I regret being the bigger person in my interview. the specific interview with Chris Harrison, but man, sometimes I play out, I play out in my head what it would have been like

if I would have just been, you know, not been, been conscious of the fact that I was being filmed, that I couldn't be the angry black woman, and I could have just responded how I would have actually responded. You know, like, I play that out sometimes of like, this is how it really would have gone down, you know? No, no regrets, because it has to go that way. So let's do this.

No, we're not doing it. I'm not doing it. I can't know. I'm not doing it right now. Let's do it. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. I can't do that.

No, I can't. I'm going to be soup kitchen. No. You give us an alternate. I can't do it. We have to do this. Look, they want us to do it, Rachel. No, I can't.

I'm not going to do it. An alternate. And then I'll give you, I'll give you an alternate Kanye rant. No. I'm not going to do it. Maybe if we get like fucked up one day on the podcast. We get super drunk on the podcast. We're going to do it.

Look, here's the thing. if we can get a liquor company to Spockast to Spockass If we can get a liquor company To sponsor a drunk podcast We'll do a drunk And then we'll do one drunk Lit higher litning Higher litning

Higher like we'll do one of those once a month We should just have one of those once a month Just get drunk and then we'll do a whole soup kitchen game All right next one Don And then apologies the next podcast We'll be apologizing for a lot of shit Very true Yeah

Okay, this is coming from Instagram, Sasha Seidel. If there was a book of commandments for the modern world, what would some be? Like, thou shalt not catfish. That kind of thing. That's a good one. Thou shall not catfish is a good one. I'd say thou shall not use filters, right?

We want to see you. See your face, motherfucker. Get your ass out of it. I will say, thou shall. not talk shit from your anonymous, weird-ass place where we can't see you and we can't feel you. Thou shall not take it upon yourself to talk your anonymous shit and get your little shit off when you're not doing. You know what? That's okay.

The commandments are over. I'll say that's it. That's it. That's it. Thou shall not cyber anonymously cyber bully. I love you guys. That's a good one. Yeah.

On set, not offset on Reddit. Are there more doors or wheels in the world? This is a high question. This was a whole thing that was going on. And I don't want to do it. I don't want to play. This was a thing. Okay.

It's a huge thing. And by the way, I'll tell you why I don't want to do it is because I'm completely fucking stumped. It's such a great question that I am as jealous as any. that I have not thought about this question. I don't know. It's so many doors, Rachel, but there's so many wills. Think about it.

A lot of times when you have a car, you only have, when you have a car, there are many cars with two doors and four wheels. There's not as many cars with four wheels. There's not as many cars with, so look, so wait a minute. Basically, it's wills is the answer. Think of an 18-wheeler. Think about it.

But then think about all the places where they're mad-ass doors and they don't have a lot of wheels. There's a whole bunch of, but then they might have wheels because they got to get around. So they got wheels on bikes. It's not just about cars. It's about bikes. It's about tricycles. It's about skateboard wheels. It's about wheels on like a dolly.

It's about a push car. But think about the doors, though. It's about doggy doors. It's about doors on, think about it, it's about doors on toy houses. It's about doors on doll houses. It's about the certain doors. What about like a metaphorical door? What you mean?

Does that count? Like, like a. I'm into it. Wait a minute. Like when someone gives you a door to walk through. You know what I mean? That's a door. That counts as a door.

That's what I thought. Then I'm going with doors. Then I'm going with doors. I got that. I think I was going wheels, but I think you confused, you convinced me that's doors. I didn't want to do that.

There's metaphorical wheels, though, too. Your wheels can be turning. Your wheels can be spinning. Oh, fuck. Oh shit, Donnie.

We quit. I don't want to play. I don't know. It's a time. I'm back on wheels. No. No. I'm back on wheels.

Okay. Last one, and I wanted to be the next one, Donnie. Okay, cool. From Hot Morrow on Ice. They want to know, would you rather have ghosts or roaches? Quite possibly.

Ghost. The greatest question that has ever been asked on mailback. Hot Moral on IG. Quite possibly the greatest mailback question ever. So great that we are going to break this question out. And I will want Donnie to read it again. I think this is a great question. Donnie, what is this nail back?

No, no, no. You cannot break out questions with me looking like this. I'm not going to be on. I can find a good headshot. I'll just replace your face with a headshot. Thank you. Give me an emoji. I got it.

Okay. Donnie, what is the question? On IG, Hot Morrow on IG wants to know, would you rather have ghosts or roaches? Oh, my God. This is simple for me. What is it? Ghosts. I don't know.

Ghosts. Roaches? I feel like I could live with goats. I could live with roaches easier than I live with ghosts. But how many are we talking about? See, that's what I, you're not thinking, you're not thinking about this. That means roaches can be everywhere. You're just going to be living with roaches crawling the wall, flying at you.

So look, what I'm saying is, I'm not, I'm not saying like, because also now, you're missing the point, right? So not missing the point. So I'm saying if you're talking about terrible roaches, what's worse? Terrible roaches or terrible ghosts? Or a terrible ghost. Because I think about it. Right.

You're thinking Casper fucking the kid from the sixth sense or the dude from the six cents. You're thinking about ghosts that are dope. It's some asshole ghost, man. Some ghosts that fuck clean over you. Fucking zool. So like are we talking evil spirits? Does that count? Like are evil activity?

Yes. Are you talking evil spirits? That's a ghost. You know, like a guardian angel. You never, see? You're thinking, see, here's the thing. We've never seen a nice roach. So we don't think that roaches can be nice.

We've seen nice ghosts, right? Because you think ghosts, shit, that could be your great grandmother. And then it's lit. She'd be in there teaching you how to cook gumbo and shit like that. But it is like. I could just be okay, never sing a roach again. I know. But think about the ghost, man.

think about Brian getting possessed with a ghost Do we know No, no, no, no, you're taking it too far What you're talking about? These are all the things that happen No, no, what do you mean? These are all the things that happen When you involve ghosts

Ghosts, it could go a lot of different ways With ghosts I still say ghosts You still say roaches you mean You rather live with ghosts I'm gonna be honest with you I think I'd rather have roaches I just can trust ghosts

You made the case for it You can make the case That's enough mailback. Do you have an unexpected ally of the week? I do. If I can find it. Yet, wait, was he white or black? Wait, now that I say this, I don't know.

His name sounds white, so I'm going to give this to him. The police chief, the Fort Lauderdale Police Chief that was fired for allegedly minority first practices when hiring. and promoting employees. I believe based on his last name that he was white. I have not seen a picture, but he looked at a wall and saw all these white policemen and police women, and he said, we need to change this.

And so he was specifically trying to diversify his police force. He is my unexpected ally of the week. Definitely shouldn't have been fired. He is suing or going to appeal it. So hopefully, I think he's suing actually for wrongful termination. So hopefully he wins with that because why would you want, your police chief for wanting the police department to reflect the community, which was his whole thing. So he's my unexpected ally of the week.

That's amazing. That's amazing. I don't have one. I don't have an expected ally of the week. Okay. If I did, it'd probably be like, Star Wars related or something, but I don't have one. Sorry, Obi-Wan can't be a Treylaherly came out. Ralph Lauren is launching a Smoor House Spelman collab.

Did you see that? I don't give a fuck. I don't expect an ally of the week. We're talking about somebody highlighting HBCUs. We've been out of this discussion. Yeah, great. It's good. For some reason,

I was a little offended. I don't know why. But we'll talk about it next week. You can tell me why. I didn't say anything bad about it on Twitter, but for some reason it bothered me. I'm not sure why. All right.

I'll take anything caps off, but do not stop learning. I am Van Lathan Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. We out.