Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Investigating Trump With Rep. Pete Aguilar, Plus Deshaun Watson Apologizes

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

Van and Rachel discuss the Espionage Act as it relates to the FBI investigation of Donald Trump (14:21), before reacting to Deshaun Watson’s apology as the NFL preseason gets underway (31:08). Plus, U.S. Rep. Pete Aguilar joins to discuss the January 6 congressional committee (42:42), and the church comes for Beyoncé (1:09:08). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Rep. Pete Aguilar Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? How to learn is on. Is I, Van Lathan Jr.? And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. My back hurts. Okay. My back hurts.

I feel like I haven't heard you talk about these problems. Has it always hurt or... It's been hurting. You did something to it. No, it hasn't really... I haven't really... Who... You're boxing.

Who hit you in your back? You can't hit in the back. You can hit You're just not supposed to You can't hit in the back They'll ring right out of the gym It's illegal to hit somebody in the back I thought like the back of the head

Illegal Yeah, I know it's illegal But it can happen But nobody's gonna hit me in my back I didn't get hit in the back I'm carrying too much weight And I'm jumping around boxing all the time

Boxing around boxing it up Box box box box I'm not even sleeping well I can't sleep well Because the backiotomy has got me up every couple of hours. Look, let's look at my sleep.

Let's look at my sleep from the o'erang. The o'erang is very upset. A 77 sleep score. That sounds like a buff. That's a passing grade to me. Not for me. Look, total sleep, I got a good score. Deep sleep, I got a great score.

Latency, great score. Timing, great score. Efficiency, only 79%. Restfulness? Pay attention. REM sleep, 25 minutes of REM sleep. I'm waking up too much to fall on the rim. My readiness, only 74. 74 for my readiness.

It's not great. Sounds like you graduated to me, Van. These all sound like good percentages. But I'm sorry that your back is hurting you. It sucks. I happen to know somebody who could help. Who, Brian? I went to Brian's back thing.

Back thing? His chiropractic office? Can we put some respect on it? I'm not talking about it. We don't use a chiropractor. I'm talking about I got on his back machine. A decompression machine. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's great. It helped. I need it again. Yeah, you got to keep going. You got to keep going. You got to get it. Yeah. It's a back situation.

I'm getting old, man. It is really annoying. I have an old Peloton injury, and it's like the back. It's my hip. Yeah. So I've, I can't use the Peloton the way I used to because of that injury. Because of the Pelotan? That was April 2020.

What happened? I was going too hard. You know how you can race other people? during the pandemic, I had my guys from Texas 10 a.m. We did it every single day. I was doing too much. I think I'm doing too much as well. I box this morning

with the back. I mean, so then it's like hard for me to feel sorry for you. Who asked for sorry? You did when you told everybody on this podcast. You want sympathy. I don't want sympathy. I'm just talking. I'm talking about my life. Let's see. I'll box this morning. I'm

looking at it right now. It was good. A box for 87 minutes. Geez. Yeah, I'll tell you. You're doing too much. Did you go on a walk today, too? Did you go on a walk today? No, I'm going on one later. Did you ice? I didn't, but I did

foam roll. Okay, that's good. I phone rolled, right? I did the phone roller. And then I lay down in here and I was talking to the Scooby-Doo gang in the room. When we're here, when we're here, we got the Scooby-Doo gang in the other room. When we're in person.

We're in person. We have the Scooby-Doo kids who run the podcast. Donnie is less important when we're in person. Donnie. Wow. You chose a side on the last podcast. Donning.

And so I want to let you know, you chose a side on the last podcast. By the way, people... That's the problem. You think he's only supposed to be down for you. That's not true. He's never down for me. Wait a minute.

No, we, like, here's the thing. By the way, I demand that people put the actual picture that fooled me onto the Reddit. And let me tell you why. Because they have a close-up picture of Mount Lion, which obviously doesn't look like a real. I called it from the beginning. But the picture that I was shown, the picture that I was shown looks like it's real. It's okay, man.

You got fooled. It happens to the best of us. Of course it does. It happens to the best of us. What I'm telling you is that Donnie could have saved me. We're making a fool out of myself on the show. He didn't do it. I did.

Donnie, it made for a great segment. Donnie, you didn't. And it's okay. We got the Scooby-Doo kids in here. We were talking to them about movies before. And the reality is that we don't need you as much. No, Donnie, I would never. Donnie, what happened to the snake?

Be honest. I actually got a picture of the snake. Send it to the group shot right now. Is it dead? Yeah. No, it's like wading in water. Donnie, you need to do what you need to? To animal control.

And they said that it's not a good enough picture for them to know exactly what kind of snake it is. But the way that it looks, they don't think it's poison. They think it's maintaining the frogs in my yard. They think it's feeding off of frogs. And they're like, we don't think it's poisonous, but we need a picture of the head. Donnie, you only shows them the tell. Do you trust that kind of info?

We do this every week. The animals van have said have had enough. It's you against that snake. You need to take care of it, Donnie. Yeah, it's pretty big. Oh, Lord. Jesus, Donnie. Donnie take care of it.

It's pretty big, huh? Donnie, let me tell you something. Go ahead and kill the snake. And let me tell you why. Because at first, I thought that you would be the type of person. So Donnie's hit the picture of the snake. Let's see. It's just the tail.

Oh, that's a big ass. Oh, my God. Donnie. I told you. This thing is massive. And it's quick. It's a water moccasins. It's not a water moccasins.

But by the way, it looks big here because it's, it has just eaten something. Yeah. But it's huge. I was not, I was expecting like a garden snake. Let me tell you why Donnie should go ahead and kill the snake. Because Donnie is the type of person that would do something like that. So I thought that Donnie was the type of person that wouldn't kill the snake and would like look for ways to not. Because I don't understand how y'all could just kill like this.

I don't have time for that. I don't understand how y'all could just, like, kill the snake. I don't know that snake. I don't know that snake. I don't understand how y'all could do it, for real. By the way, I spent years killing animals to eat them. I'm telling you, you shouldn't just kill. But you know what, Donnie?

You're the type of guy that would sell out his friend, I guess his friend, Mount Lion picture. You're also the type of nigger that will kill a snake indiscriminate for your convenience. Let's think about it. Why is the snake dying? the life of the snake is ending for your convenience that's it

the snake ain't done nothing to nobody for your convenience for your peace of mind to kill a living creature and shit donnie say it with me I feel nothing I feel nothing

Donnie kill that thing I can't lie I'm starting to feel for the snake the fact that it's so wily and it knows that I'm trying to get a picture of it It's gross Let me tell you what I did feel this weekend. You should get some dead mice and feed it to the snake. Let me tell you, Donnie, what I did feel this weekend.

I mean, you don't want to kill the mice even, but... Silk Sonic. Oh, Silk Sonic. We have to talk about it. The Thought Warriors were so excited to see Kalika and I enjoying ourselves in Vegas. Gleika and I went down to Vegas just for a quick girl's trip. 48 hours with Silk Sonic. I got to tell you, we have no pictures, no video, because they took our phones,

which we were upset about. But at the end of it, it was one. worth it. We were in the moment. It was a vibe. I don't care what you say. You're a Hater. You're a Silk Sonic Hater. We know that. It's well documented on this podcast. If you went to the concert, you would have came out singing. You would be in costume. You would be singing. You would download the album. I'm telling you, it was such a good concert. I've been to so many concerts. This is a good one. Shout out to Silk Sonic. I just saw this clip of this dude that Elvis Stowe's voice. Have you seen this clip?

What? Yes. Elvis, there's Roy Hamilton. Roy Hamilton. You saw this. You knew about this? Mm-hmm. You knew about Roe Hamilton? No, I learned about it. Okay. On social media. So, Roe Hamilton is

an R&B singer and Elvis stole his voice. Elvis stole Roy Hamilton's voice and Roy Hamilton was going to be the man. Damn, they fucked over Royal Hamilton, man. Royal Hamilton passed away in 1969. Royal Hamilton was going to be the man,

but Elvis heard him and Elvis like, I got to sing like that. And all of a sudden, Elvis became the man Royal Hamilton did. Don't do this. Okay. Bruno Mars grew up. Imulating who?

Probably Michael. Elvis Presley. Oh, did he? Doing Elvis. Okay, but he doesn't sound. And Hawaii. All I'm saying is, Silic Sonic is great. Anderson Pack is great.

Bruno Mars is great. I love Siliconic. If I want to hear that type of music I'm gonna listen I'm not Anderson Pack is obviously Black I'm gonna listen to some people actually do that type of music. Why would I listen to Silsonic and get into Silk Sonic cosplay?

It's not cosplaying. When I can go listen to it's probably a nigger somewhere right now and some dive bar somewhere killing it trying to get it. Let me ask you a question. He sounded like Bruno Mars.

He sounded like Anderson Pack. Y'all love Silk Sonic. Do y'all go up for Anthony Hamilton in the Hamilton's like this? I've been to Anthony Hamilton concert. So Anthony Hamilton is doing this music. Anthony Hamilton is singing his asshole. Do y'all go up for Anthony Hamilton like y'all going for still? I've been to an Anthony Hamilton concert and it was amazing.

I know. I know it was because he's doing it because that's the way he's sing. Okay, you could say all this, but you haven't been there in concert. The musicianship is amazing. I'm sure it was. They put on a fantastic show. I encourage anybody, if you can. If you can, it is a great show to see in Vegas.

Go see Silk Sonic, support Silk Sonic, listen to Silk Sonic, all of that stuff. All I'm saying is, shout out Royal Hamilton, man. Shout out Royal Hamilton. Those are not connected. Shout out to Roy Hamilton. They're not connected. What did you think? What emotions did you have when you saw the Royal Hamilton situation?

I knew it. I mean, you could tell Elvis. We've always, but like, we've always known that. Have you seen the Elvis? movie? I haven't seen it. You have not? No.

Was it good? The beginning of it starts off where he is in church and he's talking about, you know, the influence. Yeah, like it, they kind of acknowledge it. Roy Hamilton. It's okay. This is Royal Hamilton. Come on, Roy. So that's Roy Hamilton.

Here comes love. How many views you think they got? A couple thousand. I should got 20,000 views. Let's go to Elvis Presbyton. Real quick, while we're talking about, let's go to Elvis Presley. Elvis Presley Mix.

Oh, Elvis Presley, if I can dream, 30 million views. Elvis Presley, jailhouse rock, 235 million views. Didn't a band member with Elvis acknowledge that he took his voice? Yeah, they talked about it.

The guy was on the thing. But y'all just trying to, look, all I'm saying is, this. It's not the same thing. I'm not saying it's the same thing. I'm just saying, support people.

So who should they be supporting in addition to Anderson Pack and Bruno Mars? Let them know. Since you claim that they're still, they're cosplaying. Who?

Support Anthony Hamilton. Support Jahim. No. Support. Not in the same. Belial. Support. P.J. Morton. Support P.J. Morton. Support P.J. Morton. Support P.J. Morton. Support P.J. Morton. I'm not in any way, man. Support P.J. Morton. Listen to P.J. Morton. Listen to P.J.M. Von. Listen to P.m. That's what you should have said first. You know what I mean? Listen to people out there. I'm just saying, man. I'm not hating on Silk Sonic. I'm glad you all have fun. Okay. We have

Pete Aguilar, Congressman from California on the show today. He is also part of the Select Committee for the investigation into the January 6th insurrection. He's going to answer questions not just about the January 6th Commission, but also we have to ask him about the ongoing saga in Washington regarding the covering of classified materials at President Trump's Mar-Lago home. Pete Aguilar is going to be on with us later. but on the other side of this break, we're going to get into the big deal of today, which is, of course, tromp, chop, chop, chop, chop, trot, trot-trop-trap-a-trap.

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The warrant was first reported by Breitbart shows an initial inventory page of 28 items, including various classified T-S-S-S-C-I documents and miscellaneous secret documents. This is set off a firestorm of debate in Washington about what's prudent and what's not prudent when it comes to a former press. the scope of the powers of the president to declassified materials. Also, what it would mean if Trump really did have these materials at Mar-a-Lago and they were SCI classified documents. What the hell do you think, Rachel? Well, I think it's the biggest fears that people had about him coming into office and the information that he would be pretty.

to are being realized. Right. Right. When he was, when he was running, we were scared. When he became the president, we were terrified. And the fact that he took classified documents, not funny, I don't know why I'm chuckling, into his home. What is it? 11 different, what was it that you read? 11 sets of classified documents. It falls right in line with what we thought would happen, but now we're here. I think the scarier thing is the fact that. that he still continues to make excuses as to how this could have happened. And his supporters are still defending it.

Well, the supporters will defend whatever. But that's not normal. We're dealing with an unprecedented situation at this point. And it's of a former president, right? And he's mishandling some of the country's most sensitive secrets. We believe, right? Yeah, because no one knows yet. No one knows yet.

But we know it's classified. documents with January 6th and now this you know if they do find the information that they have outlined in the warrant people are still support all it is doing is turning people against democracy against the institutions against the government rather than calling it what it is they're continuing to make excuses and distrusting what's already been in place I keep saying it's terrifying because that's that's what it is a couple of things here we know that they did find documents marked T-S-C-I

classified. We know that they found that which is the highest level. We know that they find it. What we don't know, and this is what some people on the right are saying, is whether or not those documents are classified that now. So a document, so... Does that matter? Does that matter?

I'm here to give you the 360 view. If there have been in the past documents that at one point were classified, right? Then they become declassified. Once they become declassified, you can file a Freedom of Information Act and get all the documents and

release them and put them in the goddamn Wall Street Journal and do whatever you want, okay? So the question is, were these documents, did they hold that classification when Trump removed them? Did they hold that classification? Do they hold that classification now? All these documents, that sensitive. And even if they aren't,

even if the documents are declassified, because the president, it's not actually clear what the president's powers of declassification are. What I say is, we know that the president can declassify documents pretty much at will. But normally when the president does that, there is a very concrete paper trail to why it was done, how it was done, who all knows that was declassified. Because the president just says, hey, this document is declassified. It doesn't mean that everybody knows.

And you would have to let everybody know for it to be done the right way. And this is where the Espionage Act, the second part of it, comes into play. So the Espionage Act makes it illegal for anyone who has information related to national defense to use it to injure the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation. However, it also says it's illegal for anyone who lawfully has possession of information related to national security to provide it or attempt to provide it to those not permitted to obtain it. These individuals also cannot willfully retain and fail to deliver documents. or other materials on demand from an officer of the United States who is allowed to receive them. All right. So that part right there is the part that it seems as if Donald Trump is in jeopardy of having violated.

Anyone convicted of violating the law can face a fine or 10 years in prison. During the Obama administration, eight people were charged with leaking national security secrets to the media under the Espionage Act, more than all of the previous administrations combined. At least six more leakers were charged during the Trump administration. So there's a lot of talk about what particularly is wrong with this. Is it wrong that President Trump had the documents? Why would he have the documents? That's it.

Like what's the purpose of having the documents? Why, after he was subpoenaed for the documents, did he surrender all the documents, have a lawyer certify that they had given them all back? when we know now that that wasn't true. See? And so we're going to talk to Congressman Aguilar about this a little bit later, but the reality is there's a bipartisan effort right now on the Hill

to get some sort of briefing from the DOJ to exactly what the contents of the documents found in Mar-a-Lago are so that people know just how dangerous they are so that they can then either be on board or, cast aspersions about why Maralago was entered by the FBI. Well, you talk about them being on board based on what the information is. Sure. Yeah. But I think you just pointed out something, which is key.

Your attorney said that you had handed over everything that was classified. And here we see that there are 11 sets of classified documents. Why are you lying? Why is there a need to lie? Right. So it doesn't matter to me whether. or not they were, they weren't, they, you know, what the information is, you felt you at least had something where you needed to cover it up.

You needed to lie about it. That's the question that we're never going to get the answer to of why did you have these things? Because didn't he say that everybody takes things home from work from time to time? There have been a number of different reasons as to why he said he possessed these documents. Well, he's, they've, as President Trump does, what happens is, he comes out somebody says something about him

he gets ahead of it he crafts the narrative and then he switches the narrative up based upon the information that's made available so at first it was like they're leaking stuff they're planting stuff and then after the they're planting stuff didn't have any legs didn't go anywhere now it's there was

a standing order that whenever information left the White House it was automatically declass declassified see multiple things with multiple attorneys and multiple experts in classified materials, that's bullshit. That's not going to hold up.

That's ridiculous, right? Nobody's going for that. The reality of the situation is that what's in the documents does matter. And the reason why it matters is because that's going to be the justification of the urgency of the Justice Department to go into Mar-a-Lago. What made them feel like they had to do that then? And I think politically people are looking to make that make sense, right? Because the way I look at it is this.

They had subpoenaed these documents a long time ago. They got some stuff. They didn't get it all. So there was a call from the National Archives to give this stuff back, right? There's some people that said they could have enforced a subpoena in court and had President Trump give it back. But they didn't do that. They skipped that step and went straight to going into Mar-a-Lago. Then there's the timing in which the warrant was created and they went.

The warrant was created on a Friday. They went on a Monday. So then there are some there saying, if things are so urgent, why would you wait three days to go into Mar-a-Lago if it was that urgent to where you had to do it? So there are questions that need to be answered. I don't think those questions are material to what actually happened. I think those questions are cosmetic, right? And so I think what people are trying to do is figure out how they're going to make this situation make sense for them politically. Absolutely.

You said it matters what's in the document. And the reason I have a problem with just saying that, which of course it does, but I think that that also gives people an out. If it is deemed that they are no longer classified, I think it takes away from the act itself. to me is the problem. You took classified documents, allegedly. You allegedly took classified documents and then lied about having some of them. No, he did. I mean, we know that. So no matter whether they're declassified at this point or not, right, based on the information, the act alone and then the lie, the subsequent lie, you might not know that they're declassified at this point when you took them, again, we'll never get the why, but you took them for a reason. So to me, if it's if it's

the what is in them and then it's deemed that that's not an issue, they're going to take that and run with that. That's the problem to me. And I think that's why you have to focus on the act of it. So the reason why it matters to me what's in them is because it doesn't really matter to me whether or not they're classified or not. It doesn't. What matters is what the information is.

Because if the information is deemed sensitive, right? If the information is deemed sensitive and when I say deemed sensitive, I mean if the information is like if the information in some way is if it's deemed that the information has a significance important to importance either to national security now or national security in 2021

or 2020 or 2019 and they were unsecured at Mara Lago that's a huge fucking problem right? Yep. Like a lot of these documents are there's a protocol for the way that they are safeguarded. Like we're talking about classified stuff we're talking about

rooms that are clean. We're talking about some real hush, hush, the good fucking shepherd spy shit in the way that they show these information that you read it and whatever, all of that. So the classification of them doesn't really matter. If we're talking about things that are deemed pertinent to like things that are deemed important to nuclear weapons or nuclear security, nuclear strategy, people talk about the nuclear codes themselves. Obviously, that's something that's fluid. But the nuclear codes are essentially the way that the president proves that he's the president before he commits, before he orders

a missile strike, right? So obviously something like that, even if those codes are obsolete, you would never want anybody else seeing that because you wouldn't want them to try to break and get new codes. We'll even want them to know how we do that. Right. Well, We don't want them to know for all of us, like the nuclear codes really could be Obi-Wan Canobe. And we would never want them to know the way that that looks or how that is. And there are still people who obviously buy like old codes. They buy obsolete nuclear information.

They buy prior strategy stuff. They buy information. They would want to have anything that they could that would get them a foot into our intelligence apparatus. And so that's why it's important what's in there so we can understand or at least forget about politicians on the hill because we might never know this, right? But the intelligence community can understand the gravity of the offense because the worst the shit that's in the documents is, the more flagrant him taking them also is, right? the more fucking terrible it is. And so look, man, I don't know who wants to take

Donnie's the type of person that would do that. Donnie would do that. Poor Donnie. Donnie is the type of person. Donnie looks like a petty cash thief that he's in the office and they got petty cash for to order some pizza

and that Donnie would be the type of nigger that would, like not steal the pizza because he does want everybody to eat. He does have a good. heart like that. But he would be the person that would, like, yo, I'm going to buy four pizzas, $40. The pizzas were actually $30.

Donnie Pockets is $10, $10 worth of petty cash. My mama stole petty cash. Okay. Stop. Why are you telling everybody's business? I got to call Mama real quick. Hold on real quick. Donnie, I don't know what you're going to have to do to get back in Vans, good graces.

It's going to have to suck up to him. I don't know either. I'll sacrifice myself. You could turn against me for a second. It's fucked, Nani. You fucked yourself. You know what I mean? Let's call mom real quick and see if we can get the Petticoash story.

Hello. Hey, Mom, you're on the podcast right now. She's so professional. Oh, okay. She's ready. She's ready. Can you tell everybody the Petticash story from back in the day? What do you mean?

And that's what I love. That's right. The Pettie Cash story from the law office. Can you tell her? What do you mean? Love it. Love her. I mean, what do you mean?

Do you want to talk about what happened with the penny cash? Do you want to? So you want your mother to be on the pot? To talk about a situation that happened almost 40 years ago. Okay. In which she was accused of something that turned out to be a terrible situation. People who she may have offended at that time are now judges and shit like that. You want me to go into detail about somebody accusing me of taking something and then me coming back trying to go into their place and then I don't tell too much.

Mama, how are you feeling? How are you feeling? I'm feeling wonderful. My mother had a pair of thyroid taken out. She had a pair of thyroid taking out. She has surgery. You sound great. She sounds good.

She had a surgery. We just wanted to check on you, Mom. We don't really want to talk about. I'm really doing fine. The Petty Cash. Rachel, I got your book. Oh, thank you so much. I want to see what's going on.

I don't need to know what to miss. Then, of course, I've read yours. Right? You. And now you go, your mom. It's going to your mom. Oh shit. I can't believe it.

I'm sorry. I love you. I love you. One day, one day for, okay, so this is what we're going to do. Okay. We're going to have another parents' day on Thanksgiving. Okay. And we're going to allow you to be able to come on and tell the Pettie Cash story.

Why do you want me to tell? Because he's always telling your business. I mean, there's stories I could tell that are just magnificent. I mean, they're great. Why do you want to just, me to tell that particular? A story. What does it mean to you, son? It's just funny.

You think that's funny? It was, it's not, I know, we can look back in a laugh at that. Okay, Mom, we got to go. I'm going to call you back. I love you, okay? I love you too. Bye. Bye.

Your mom has a beautiful voice. Can she sing? Hell yeah. Yeah. It's a great songstress. Yeah, she's a really pretty voice. All right. Deshawn Watson.

He has an interview. He apologizes. to all of the women that he's impacted in this situation. Donnie? Snake Killer. Give me the audio. Okay, Deshawn, as you get ready to get on the bus,

let's just start with this one. It's been 19 months since you played a game of competitive football. How are you feeling about that? I'm super excited. I'm excited to get out there with my new teammates and go out there and compete. Each and every snap, I want to make sure I cherish that

because I'm not sure when the next time I'll be able to get out there with those guys, so I'm super excited. As you say that, your eligibility is still in question, and although this appeal is ongoing, I have to ask you, the initial ruling from Judge Sue Robinson made a very specific point of saying that your lack of remorse played into her decision-making. It's been a part of the narrative surrounding you. What is your response to that? Look, I want to say that I'm truly sorry to all the women that I've impacted in this situation.

decisions that I made and my life that put me in this position, you know, I would definitely like to have back, but I want to continue to move forward and grow and learn and show that, you know, I am a true person of character and I want to keep pushing forward. Grow and learn. We fully expect that there will be some time that you are away from the team. What is your growth on a personal level look like? How are you spending that time? I know I have a lot of work to put in, especially on the field, to be able to make sure I'm ready to play whenever that time comes, whenever I can step back on the field. But also the biggest thing is I want to continue counseling.

And I want to make sure that I'm growing as a person, as an individual, for my decision-making, on and off the field. And I want to make sure that I'm just evolving in the community as much as possible. And that's for the Cleveland community. That's the NFL community and beyond. Okay. We appreciate the time to Sean. Thank you. Rachel?

I know I have a reputation on this podcast for judging people's apologies. This is what I'm going to say. One, obviously, it's not my apology to accept. You know, it's for the women that he, what is the word he used in his apology impacted? That's the word he used. Impacted. It's for the women that he impacted. I will say that the timing is suspicious.

We just saw the ruling that came from Sue Robinson, judge, who noted, made sure to note his lack of remorse, which the reporter there mentioned. And it just seemed right on time that he was going to give out this interview. Did this interview air before he played this weekend? Okay, well, the interview is airing around the weekend that he, the weekend that we see him take the field. There's been a lot of criticism, strong reactions. And the biggest one I would say is the fact that he hasn't apologized. And so the fact that it's been this long and now you're apologizing as your case is currently being appealed and is a possibility that you could have be suspended for even more games. the timing is interesting.

The timing is interesting. I think we can all acknowledge that. I mean, I think we can acknowledge that, Sean Watson, the timing is interesting. But if he's sorry, he's sorry. I can't, you know, it's hard for me to say he's not. But circumstantial evidence would say that he's saying what he needs to say because that's just the next step to move on.

Now people can say, oh, well, he did apologize. You asked him to apologize? he apologized. Well, people have been asking you to apologize. This has been going on for over a year at this point since the first lawsuit was filed. And not and longer since the first time you impacted one of these women. So, you know, it's convenient. So apologies are best received after either work or consequence. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

agree. So either you work your way out of the position that you were in before or you go through the consequence, right? Because at a certain point, somebody gets kicked in the nuts enough time for something that happened to him. The human nature goes, okay, stop kicking him in the nuts. I've talked about this before when I was working at TMZ. TMZ. We got Michael Richards out or another photographer got Michael Richards out. Of course, you guys know what Michael Richards is.

He's cramory. He fucked up at the laugh factory. Nigger, nigger, nigger. and it was over for Mike. A semi-over. He still got a nice, juicy guest spot on Kirby enthusiasm, but that's what being white is. Somebody got him out, and they asked him, they said,

do you apologize to the black community? This was like in 2013, 2012. There's years after he had already given a bunch of different apologies. And I was like, that's cloud. That's Kyle chasing. I mean, I didn't say that thing because that wasn't a thing, but I'm like, come on, man. Obviously, he's apologized to the black.

community a bunch of times if either he meant the apologies that he's given before or he didn't. But asking him to apologize again is kind of fucked up because you've seen what's happened to him, right? So either consequence or work, Deshawn Watson has really had neither. At this point, Deshawn Watson has maintained that he didn't do anything. Correct. Number one, so if he didn't do anything, then there's actually nothing to apologize for. And in this situation, I can't properly get with the

Apologize if I hurt somebody. And the only reason why that doesn't work here is because... It never works, by the way. It works sometimes. Mm-mm-mm-mm. That bitch do be bussing. Even in therapy. It's like, that's not an apology.

That bitch be bussing now. That apology, if I hurt you, hey, man. If I, if I, you know, I'm not apologizing for what I did, but if you didn't like it, my bad. You know what I'm saying? That bitch be busts. I like that shit. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? But, but, but. in this situation, it won't work because either you nutted on somebody without their consent or you didn't. And there's like, if you're apologizing for nutting on somebody without their consent, then it should probably be pretty specific. You should probably say, hey, it was an accident that I nutted on you. And then you sell that to them. But until you come to Jesus on like what actually happened in those rooms and what actually went on and give people some clear. into where your mind is, they're just waiting

on you to nut on the next person. And that's just the way that it is. You can't really, he can't split the baby here. Like there hasn't been any consequence and it doesn't seem that there will. People might say that the money is, that's not that big of a deal to him. He's not like he'd love to pay that off.

It hasn't been that big of a consequence to him yet. His personal reputation has been impacted. Absolutely. Absolutely true. But it hasn't cost him anything. Nope. Financially. Well, even financially, he signed one of the richest contracts in the history in the NFL after all of this stuff came out.

Correct. So it hasn't really cost him anything. So for the Sean Watson, the question is number one, why are you apologizing? That is exactly the second question is, has, have we seen anything to make that? And that's the only thing that I would say. Well, he, I was, she talks about growth and stuff like that in the interview. But to me, the follow-up question is exactly. what you said. The moment that he said, I apologize for impacting, why now? Why? You've maintained it

for this long, even in a proceeding, like a legal proceeding. Why now? And that's why I can't take that whole interview that seriously because it seems very much so a PR because anybody else would have said, why did you wait? Why now? Did you wait that? And I'm sure they had approved questions that they had to ask. And so to me, I don't really understand. I need that answered, sorry, before I can fully understand what you said in that interview. Before I can fully grasp it. I would be real with you.

Growth is very important. Mm-hmm. And I support growth. I support people not being the same person on Monday, August 15th, 2020, whatever that they will be in 2025. You can't grow out of nothing on people's legs and arms without consent. You've got to work through that. He said counseling. Okay.

Well, so the first step in counseling out of nutting on people's arms and legs without consent. So I'll make sure that we keep discussing coming on people is the allegation. Nutting. Like think about how it feels with somebody Like when you get somebody sweat on you And you ain't want to touch somebody that was sweaty They're sweaty If you're sweaty and you give somebody a hug

You apologize for being sweaty You say hey my bad I'm kind of sweaty You know what I mean? Right You know what I'm saying hey my bad I'm kind of sweaty Right I'm sweating my bad whatever Think about The golf

Between sweat And nut Yeah. Sweat is here. I got it. It's an inconvenience. Nutt is on the other canyon of fucked-upness. So what I'm saying is the first thing that you would have to do is say, hey, I'm Deshaun Watson,

and I nut it on these women without their consent. And I have to figure out why I didn't think that was that big of a deal. Publicly or in therapy? Publicly. Because the reason why I would say you have to do that publicly is because because, Because we as a public understand that there is a gigantic fucking issue with nutting on people without their consent. If you remember Silence of the Lambs? Donnie, you remember Silence of the Lambs?

Yes. In Silence of the Lambs, Clarice is walking through an insane asylum, an insane asylum. an insane asylum where they're holding Hannibal Lecter. Do you know what someone does? Spits. Wrong. They nut on her without her consent.

Donnie, do you remember this? Yeah, the guy like throws it at her. He takes the nut and he throws it at her. This knickers in an insane asylum because that's how fucking crazy you'd have to be to do something like that. It's an silence of the lambs. Got to do more than that.

All right. out where I said spit. Take it out. On the other side is break. Congressman Pete Aguilar is going to talk to us about not only the January 6th committee, but also

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There's a lot of smoke and talk around the January 6th committee, all right. but there seems to be even more talk and smoke around happenings in Washington right now with the ex-president and exactly, you know, what the hell is happening and what's going on? So we appreciate you join us on Higher Learning today. Very happy to have you. But I guess the first question that I'll ask you that a lot of people are probably wondering is, is the FBI serving a search warrant or using the search warrant to go into Marlago and investigate the former president's belongings or his potential collection of classified documents. Is that in any way, shape, or form related to the investigation into January 6th?

Well, first of all, Rachel and Dan, thank you so much for having me and introducing me to your audience. I appreciate the question, man. I think this is something that people are asking across the country. And my answer is, I don't believe so. There are some things that the Department of Justice is doing that none of us know. But it isn't, we don't believe that these are connected. We are on a parallel path. Our investigation is a congressional investigation. And we're supposed to find out what happened on January 6th. What were the causes of January 6th? What led up to it? the factors that led up to the insurrection at the United States Capitol. What the Department of Justice is looking at, we believe, based on what we have seen, is specifically tied to documents that the former president had in his possession at Moralago.

Now, when this is all said and done, there may be some overlap in witnesses that each entity has talked to, but what they are executing in the search warrant side is completely separate and apart from our investigation on January 6th. In response to the January 6th committee and the hearings that we've seen so far, what do you think the response has been from the American public? I think many in the American public were a little bit skeptical when we created this committee. They didn't know what it would do. They knew that the president did something.

He didn't act appropriately leading up to January 20th and the peaceful transfer of power. But they didn't quite know what happened. They just saw the images that we all saw on TV of violence at the United States Capitol. But what we do know is we have done eight public hearings to date. Over 100 million people have tuned into a portion of these hearings. And even if folks just tuned in for a little bit, we know that they have picked up on the fact that we are introducing them to individuals generally who worked for the former president of the United States who are telling the truth and are talking about the former president's efforts and those around him to stop a peaceful transfer of power, which really is the hallmark of a democracy in the democratic system. Do you think that in any way, whether or not there's material evidence that links anything that the president had at Mar-a-Lago to the investigation that you guys are doing,

into January 6th. Do you think that any way that there is starting to that started become evident to some Americans a pattern of recklessness or lawlessness that seems to have infected the past administration?

You have him in the center of this investigation into what happened on January 6th, but then you also have him really allegedly, or it's being talked about that he took some really sensitive documents to Mar-a-Lago that would really fly in the face of not just how we've done it in this country, but some would say in the face of our security.

It just doesn't seem that they care about any sort of protocols that are put in place to facilitate things like the peaceful transfer of power or to safeguard American intelligence information. Do you feel like the case that's happening now in any way bolsters some of the claims that people are making against Trump that have testified with the January 6th Committee? I do. I do because I feel that people have seen a portion of our hearings and they acknowledge and they now know and understand that he has a propensity not to be completely honest to surround himself with people who want to meet the same objectives and goals that he wants to meet. above all else, legal or otherwise. Those are some of the pieces that we were able to uncover in the January 6th committee hearings. And what we laid out is that the president was in the Oval

office and his own lawyers said that this effort was unconstitutional and he proceeded. We knew that the president had tweeted that the former vice president, you know, Mike Pence, didn't have the courage to do what was right. But what we didn't know until the hearings took place is that at that time, he knew that there was violence in the Capitol. He knew that rioters were inside the building. So his tweet served as a message to them. And then we found out that the rioters were 40 steps away from Mike Pence and that some of them had indicated in Department of Justice documents that they would have likely killed him if they would have found him. So, you know, those are some pieces that really get to the character of the former president.

that I think are informative in the current Mar-Lago discussions. You said that there will be future hearings, right, in regards to what the committee is doing. What will those future hearings and tell what type of witnesses are you looking for and what type of testimony? And if you haven't already, will that cross over with some of the investigations that are currently going on with Mar-a-Lago? Does that change what you're looking for in regards to your testimony and witnesses? I don't believe it changes what we're looking for. But what we left the hearings talking about, you know, what happened on January 6th and January 7th. We still feel that there is more to tell related to the president, the former president's state of mind after that period from the 6th, 7th, 8th through January 20th when president then president-elect Joe Biden was sworn into office. We feel that it's informative. to share with people what the former president's state of mind was during that time to take people into what was happening. We also feel that there's more information that continues to come our way.

We've public reports have talked about the Secret Service discussions and missing text messages. What exactly were they planning for on January 6th? We feel that there's more to unravel there. We feel that this is a separate track than the Department of Justice is going through, though. We do feel that it's informative to tell the full and complete story about what happened on January 6th. Pete, I got a small bone to pick with you. I like you a lot, but I have to pick this bone. I saw an interview with you about a month ago when you were describing Mike Pence's, his conduct subsequent to the January 6 attack.

And you said that he acted presidential during the time that he made the decision to, to not overthrow the government. He made the decision to sort of wrangle in whatever forces or powers that he needed to in order to facilitate the peaceful transition of power. And you came under some fire for that because a lot of people would say that it's not prudent to congratulate Mike Pence for doing what essentially is his job. and they were asking for the bottom of the barrel from some Republicans when it comes to what it is that they're supposed to be doing. And that others might even say that the Democrats are too quick to be congratulatory and conciliatory to Republicans for basic decency.

Do you understand those criticisms and why did you say that Mike Pence acted presidentially by not helping Trump overthrow the government? I think it's a great question. And some of my family members have asked the same thing. And look, let me, let me have some equal time to explain it. And you're right. The lowest common denominator, unfortunately, with many of my Republican colleagues is basic decency and doing your job. But what I said was in that moment, in that day, he was the only one that was acting presidential. He was in an undisclosed location in the United States Capitol. And he was surrounded by secret service agents. There's been pictures of them. And he was the only one talking to military leaders on the phone, checking in with congressional leaders, Democrats and Republicans, asking them what they needed, how they were doing, while he is tucked away underground in the United States Capitol. That, to me, is a partisan Democrat. I need to be honest. And to tell people, people that in that moment, in that day, he resisted the pressure that we knew the former president

put on him for weeks. And he did his job. And for that, I would say that he did act presidential because he had a focus on what the country was doing, how the country was feeling, what congressional leadership was doing to clear the capital and to carry on with business. So I would stick with that. And I will tell you, Chairman Benny Thompson says, the same thing in his opening statement for the hearing that I shared in June, that Mike Pence did his job. And we need to be able to say that. Now, I think he has been less than forthcoming with exactly the threats that he was facing that day, the pressure that led up to it. We have heard from his attorney and his chief of staff, but he has not come forward and talk with us. He is not

shared that they were leading prayer circles to start their day, and that he was reading Bible passages as he ended his day, and that members of his staff were praying and calling their pastors while they were tucked away, thinking presumably that they could lose their lives. He hasn't shared any of that with us, and I think he could be more forthcoming, but I think his actions were commendable, and I would say still presidential in that moment in that day. Are you looking forward to running with him? on his ticket in 2020 Yeah, I'm going to take a hard pass

on that one, Dan. In some of these interviews, I have said, look, this is a guy who stood behind with a grin on his face is the former president was separating parents from babies at the southern border. I mean, this is a guy whose loyalty seemingly knew no bounds,

but he decided to follow the Constitution, thankfully for all of us. But that doesn't mean he's without fault for the five years he stood behind the guy. Do you think he'll tap back into that presidential spirit and come and testify before the committee? Do you foresee that happening? Well, we've had conversations with his attorneys. My hope is that if he's asked, he would come before us. And my hope is that we still get to a point where that happens. But he has said publicly that it was one day in time and that he wants to turn the page and move forward. So nothing leads me to believe he's very interested in that. But it's our hope that we still, for the historical record, be able to tell a full and

complete story that day. I think we need to hear from him. Why hasn't he been asked yet? Well, there's a lot of discussions about that and about the timing of this. We are under some time constraints. And I think the committee has had a lot of discussions about this. There's still more investigative steps to proceed with and we're not closing any doors.

But to date, the committee hasn't made a decision to ask him to come in. That's all I can say. There have been bipartisan calls to have the Justice Department brief Congress on exactly

what was found at Mar-a-Lago, even if it's, you know, to a specific committee, and even if those briefings are classified, even if nobody ever knows the terms of the public, because look, I don't know what's classified, what's not classified, I thought when something was classified, that that meant a bunch of guys sat around and said, no one could ever know.

And the Trump says, it's not classified if I take it home. That's crazy. My brother used to say that, like when he would leave town, to be like, I'm not married when I leave town. Oh, gosh. I didn't know you can have standing orders like that. So look, are you for having the Justice Department brief Congress and having the intelligence community have conversations with you guys, excuse me, having the Justice Department

have conversations on behalf of the intelligence community and really kind of sort out what exactly was found just so. it in some way justifies what people call the unprecedented act of searching a former president's home. Is that something that you would like to see Merrick Garland and the Justice Department do? Or are you okay with them just taking as much time as they need to investigate this in whatever way they see fit? They should take the time that they need in order to do the job and to get it done right and to prove that no one is above the law, including the former president of the United States. There can't be a one justice system for those who are rich and former presidents and one for everyone else. And so they need to do their job.

I will tell you, I would not support something that is a briefing to the entire, you know, every elected official because there are some of these elected officials who I don't think should be trusted with this type of sensitive information. But there is, in Washington speak, there's a group called the gang of eight, which is the legislative leaders in the House and Senate and the intent. chair and ranking member for Democrats, four Republicans. Maybe the intelligence community should brief those top eight legislative leaders on exactly what they found just so they know what the threats are and what could potentially be out there. But I wouldn't support anything that was for all 535 elected officials. I don't think that that's necessary, but maybe for the closest intelligence individuals. they get a separate briefing.

Do you have any idea why a former president would take classified information to his private residence? No, but this is something that, you know, he clearly had done in the past. And some of the people who had briefed him in the White House indicated that he oftentimes tried to take the documents back with him to the residence. They would give him an iPad with the material just so they can ensure that they received it back from him. I do know that they had a secure facility at one point in Mar-a-Lago so they could brief him.

When we go into these classified settings, it's a closed door, it's got a separate lock on it, no electronics, no devices on you at all, and usually you are shown documents and then they take them back. That's how this works. The fact that he had some of these in briefcases and in boxes just laying around unlocked for many months and then a simple padlock potentially on a basement door, I think it's incredibly scary. And the information that he had access to that could benefit foreign countries is there's volumes of it.

And so I think this is something that we absolutely need to take seriously and ensure that if you or I had access to these documents and wandered home with them, we would not be treated in a way that gives a lot of difference. And so we need to make sure that the laws apply evenly. You've stated before that your concern is that January 6th could happen again. With what happened at Maralago and the FBI's investigation, how worried are you that another, like, there's talk of a civil war, there's talk about this happening on a grander scale than January 6th. How worried are you that that could actually happen again?

Because it seems no matter what you're doing, there are people who are going to support him and believe him. and any rhetoric that he puts out there as an excuse as to why there were documents there or any of his behavior at this point. I'll just say broadly that I'm very worried. I'm very worried that individuals are now going to law enforcement, going to the FBI with guns and shooting. You know, those, the Ohio incident is deeply troubling. The Department of Homeland Security just put a memo out on Friday indicating a heightened level of domestic threats as well. The FBI director has said this is in the past testimony he gave, indicated that domestic terrorism was the number one thing that kept him up at night.

That's all incredibly troubling. And the common thread is that the former president enabled this. When he tells folks, you know, stand back and stand by and he doesn't speak out against domestic violent extremism, that's incredibly troubling because he's asking them, to just wait by and wait for his orders. And we received testimony from one insurrectionist that we played in the public. And what scared me about that is the individual said, the former president asked me to do two things. He asked me to vote for him, and he asked me to come on January 6th. And I felt I owed it to him to do both. And so there are people that feel this way. And Rachel, nothing has changed. Some of them got caught.

some of them who came, got charged. But they still feel that way. Maybe for years during the Obama administration, they were able to kind of tuck it away and nobody gave them the ability to talk about it freely and openly. And now they have platforms. They have someone who had the highest office in the land who espoused these beliefs, told them it was okay, made up slogans and T-shirts, rewarded them in every way. And so that still scares me.

that there's a lot of people who would do harm to the democracy and us as an institution and throw around words like Civil War just because their political person that they supported wasn't successful. Last question for me. I personally believe that what happened on January 6th was intentional to the degree that it was supposed to be something that intimidated lawmakers. from their constitutional duty to transfer power to the candidate that beat Donald Trump in the 2020 election. I believe that. I believe that nothing that happens with this president is quite an accident. I think that he knows what he wants to do.

To that end, I'm wondering, do you believe that President Trump had classified documents in his personal residence with the intention of sharing that information with anyone outside of this of the intelligence apparatus or the lawmaking apparatus of this country. Do you believe that there is even the chance that the information

that was at Marlago was going to find its way across a sea or an ocean somewhere to some unfriendly nation to the United States. Do you believe that that's possible with Donald Trump? Yes, given what we have seen so far, I am deeply scared at the level of documents that he maintained in his possession, even after they asked him to return everything,

even after he received a subpoena for anything that was classified or top secret, I'm deeply concerned that there were documents there, that if they fell into the wrong hands, could pose a threat to our country. And I think he is proven that he's incredibly cavalier in wanting to show off and show people things that make him feel important.

And so in that respect, I do share that feeling. And I'm deeply scared about where this goes and what the facts, you know, truly are with his intentions for those documents. Do you think that this event, investigation with Marlaugo helps Trump's political, well, assuming that he might run again in 2024. Do you think that this helps him? And then I would also ask you, do you think this helps or hurts the GOP with everything that's going on? You know, it's clear from some public

reporting that when this happened, when the search happened on Monday, you know, Tuesday last week, he actually felt that this was going to, you know, bring his supporters together. that he was going to, you know, be able to speak out and to tell them that this was the deep state who was acting out on him because he could win an election again. His tone changed a little bit, and he's done everything from accusing the FBI to from planting documents to saying that these were attorney-client documents now. So he really just has taken an approach to throw everything at the wall. But I still remain, you know, scared about what those documents entail. I do, but I do feel that in his mind, he could, you know, shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it. That's exactly what he said years ago. And I think he still feels that way. He could be

indicted. He could be in trial. He could, he could have so many other things happen to him. And people will still believe him. He will still have a core group of 35, 38 percent of the country that will believe And so we have to appeal. And that's been the goal of the January 6th committee. How do we appeal to everyone else? Democrat, Republican, Independent. How do we appeal to those folks to talk with them about a peaceful transfer of power about the importance of protecting democracy and just how fragile it is? Pete, you're a nice guy. You're a nice guy. Pete. Pete, what's the most ratchet thing about Pete? What's the most, what's on Pete's Pete's dark side here? What's your favorite R-rated movie? what's your favorite site you shouldn't be going to Pete give me I gotta have something Pete you're too buttoned up you're like you might just be the future in this damn party Pete like like what what is what is Pete into that you're what do that you're not supposed to be doing oh man I'll tell you you want to talk yeah I can't I can't really go MCU with you all day long man but I'll tell you you want to have me on like fantasy football you know chats and

put me on a pod you know with the ringer crew on the sports sports side. You know, L.A. Dodgers I got over my shoulder. I see over there with the Dodgers. But, you know, I usually have like three fantasy football teams going at any given time. When I'm on the plane, if I'm not working or reading memos, I'm checking on my team, who's injured, what's going on. But I love, I love sports. Always have love sports. Competitive. But, you know, I mean, I'm a, I'm a nerd. I'm just, you know, I'm just hanging out here. Trying to do my job, protected democracy. All right. And we thank you for that. We thank you very much.

if we have any other questions on what's going on with January 6th, hopefully you guys aren't just all doing this for show and their charges that come from this, hopefully. If we have any other questions, we'll reach out to you. Try not to throw that presidential word around too much there, Pete. I hear you, man. I hear you and you and my grandmother have the same feedback. So I got to listen now.

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You were a big fan. I like, I like. And you're not a fan of politicians. I don't like politicians, but Pete had something. There was a warmth about Pete. There was a warmth, wasn't there? How long has he been in office? I don't know.

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It's like, she's a church girl. And this has got the Christians mad. And you sound like the bishop talking like that. The way you're reading her lyrics, it sounds very bishopy. How? Very bishopy. Why? Patrick Woodney.

No, it's, that's who's, that's who's, that's who's. I like this shit. You know I like it. You can be my daddy if you want to. Put your letters in the air. Get this motherfucker lady. Liddy. Littley.

Tiggle bitties. Pibibibibibis. Okay. What's the, other than you having your moment, sing her lyrics. What's, what's the question? The question is people are mad, man. The Clark sisters don't like that shit.

No, the Clark sisters are fine with it. The Clark sisters, oh, excuse me. They approved it. She samples one of the Clark sisters' songs. Oh, that's right. The Clark sisters like her. I forgot. Yeah.

And so this bishop, which is who you were embodying just now doing those lyrics, has preached from the pulpit about how wrong Beyonce is for this and calls out the Clark sisters and saying they never should have given. her the opportunity to say it. Donnie, give me the audio. Sample it. I'm going to preach to you, missionaries. I want to preach to your elders. I want to preach to you superintendents, pastors and leaders. We're called to speak up. We're called to say something.

Beyonce just release sacrilege. Is that the old clip? The only thing I can account for some of this stuff, somebody has sold their soul to the devil. Now, all I say to you is this. When you sell your soul to the devil, you get the short end of the stick. Because you're not going to live but so long. And when you leave here, where you're going,

you're going to be there forever. So it's not, it's not a good deal. I don't care what it gives you. But this piece of trash, piece of trash. Shit. That's release. Yes, sir.

And she named it church girl. Now, I had thought to try to read the lyrics to you. But I struggled to listen to them. Church girl. That's enough. Now you see, wait, why I said you sound like him? I like the lyrics. No.

You sound like him. No, I don't sound like him at all. I was reading the lyrics with the emphasis that Beyonce wanted, shake it like a thotty. Do you see any point that the bishop has here? No. You're a hypocrite. No.

You're a hypocrite. Well, here's my thing. Rachel, you're... I understand what Beyonce. Beyonce is getting the exact reaction that she wanted from this. and I think she wanted to ruffle feathers. I can't let you get off this take. It is very similar to the call me by your name.

Montario messaging the underlying message with it. What are you going to tell me? First of all, I can't let you get this take off. Why? You wanted the heavy black dick teacher to be suspended and get her job fucked up, right? Remember the heavy black dick teacher? I said she should have been suspended, yeah. Why?

What's the difference? What's the difference in the heavy black Okay, so here's the thing The church is saying that this song Is the church is saying that this song is Beyonce deems herself a Christian She talks about God, you know what I mean? Back in the day when Beyonce was less

Popular when she was going through a popularity thing After they keep those girls out Disney's child on the tour bus When Beyonce was going through that She literally would sing Amazing Grace at shows And it'd be like She actually said it one time, let's see if they boo God. They would sing Amazing Grace. So the church, everyone thought that Beyonce was down with them.

I'm not saying she's not because you know how I feel. Then she makes a song called Church Girl, Dick in the Sweat Pants, Pop It Like a Thaddy, all of that stuff, right? The church obviously is not going to be cool with that because they have a standard. What I don't understand is how people make the exception. I don't think either of them are wrong. but if a teacher can't say heavy black dick without getting admonished by the school,

why is it improper for the church to admonish someone that they feel like is their own when they're saying pop it like a thotty, sticking in the butthole, jump on it. Stick it in the... Church girl. What lyric refer to stick it in the butthole? It's the bookhole is the remix.

Okay, stop. Listen, the reason I say I'm okay with this song is because I think that Beyonce was basically coming, not coming at the church, but kind of playing off of the people accusing her for not being faithful or spiritual because of what she wears, because of how she dances. So to me, this is a message back in their face. So when she's like, pop it like a thotty, I don't think that she's saying, when you dance a certain way, you're a thought.

That's what people say about her. So to me, that's how I took this whole song. It's like, you're calling me this. Well, then I'm just going to, I'm going to sing about it. I don't think she thinks you're a thoughty if you pop it like that. That's what they say. That's why she calls it church girl. That's why she used this song.

I think she did it to get this type of reaction. That is how I took this. You're somersaulting. No, that's really how I took it. I actually was having this conversation with somebody. Kalika. Kalika and I were talking about this before I even knew we were going to, this was going to be a topic. Let me tell you something.

Beyonce has been very sexual. with her lyrics. That's a grown-ass woman. She talked about whatever she wants to talk about. And she can still be a church girl, which is what the point is what she was saying. She said she, Monica Lewinsky all along my blouse. That's a nut shot on the blouse. She's been talking like this. It's not nothing new.

Good for her. The church has been coming at her. The church has been coming at her because that, and this is why I don't understand. The church has been coming at her because the church has a standard, at least they purport to have a standard. I want to say one thing to everybody. Everybody likes to fuck.

That's going to be a song that I come out with. The song is going to be called Everybody Likes to Fuck. And what gospel song are you going to use to sample? What gospel song are you sampling for? Never should have made it. Okay. So I'm going to, we play in clubs now. I'm going to flip.

Never should have made it. And the song's going to be called Everybody Likes to Fuck. Okay. And the song is just going to be basically naming different church jobs. The Deacons, they like to fuck. They like the fuck. Oh, the church ladies. They like the fuck.

They like the fuck. Yo, your pastor. he likes to fuck. The nigger who baptized you. He loves to fuck. That's the song. The people in the church, they love to fuck. So we know this.

We know churches from all over times people are fucking. They fucking in the church. They're fucking on the side of the church. They're fucking on the outside of the church and the inside of the church. They're fucking in the fucking church chambers. They're fucking in that. We know this. Human beings fuck each other.

It's a thing. But what I'm saying is this. It's all about a person. appearances. And to me, when I see people get prudish about things, I wonder why they don't hold their favorite stars like Beyonce to those same standards. I'm not being prudish about stuff. But you have been in the past. Okay. I don't think the teacher example fits this. But what I will say is the reason I think it's hypocritical from people in the church is gospel artists use secular music sample. And it's not considered a problem, even though you're using an artist. And it's,

beat or an artist maybe even taking some of their hook and yeah you're putting it up with the mixing in with religion i mean with a religious song religious lyrics but you're still using somebody like and you're doing that to attract people into the word i get it i understand it i'm not against it but it's not a problem when people do that so i yeah i just i have a problem with the song or they do collapse let everybody do what they want to do my thing is this you're reaching with the teacher thing i'm not reaching maybe be a little bit. But like, but, but, but I'm saying is it is the same thing. Okay. If you can look at somebody and say a tweet that you sent out makes it makes you, uh, makes you unqualified to work here or breaches some kind of morality clause. Certainly the church can say that Beyonce is not moral enough to be down with the niggas saying. I don't say that she said her soul to the devil is, is, you know, come on man.

But, but, like, obviously, if church people are mad about this, we, we, my point is, the people that are defending Beyonce, there's nothing wrong with Church Girl. There's nothing. The people that are defending Beyonce are defending Beyonce because she's Beyonce. Like, that's the reason why. And other people, other particularly women, that want to express their sexuality in ways, nobody comes to their defense. When people jump all over them, they actually say, you should. have been done this. Like the teacher that was talking about

the heavy dick. Nobody was defending her. You should know how to act. Beyonce coming out. You got dick in your sweatpants, pop it like a thotty. It has nothing to do with women expression and sexuality. We say, or one time, there's a time for place for that. And then in another situation, we say, hey,

well, they can't be mad at her. It's Beyonce. They're mad because they're the church. You're reaching. You're so reaching. You know it. I just want you to admit that you were wrong about the heavy black dick thing, but you won't. It's okay. We disagree. Or the fam Uchick.

I had no problem with the fam Uchick. I know, but nobody was coming to the fam Uchick. A lot of people came to her defense. A lot of people did. She hasn't got her degree confirmed yet. Look, you know what? It's time to get out of here. Donnie, what do you think?

Do you think I have a point on the heavy black dick chick as we relates to Beyonce? Here's your... Yeah, you're challenging me. No. I think it's a stretch. But I feel like the church has been after Beyonce for a minute. There's been like conspiracy theories with her being an Illuminati being like a devil worshiper and Satanist. That's my era.

Yeah. That was the best era. Illuminati era. The Jay-Z and Beyonce era in the Illuminati era, that's the best era. Whatever. Can we talk about one last thing before we go in how a relationship? Twilight? The movie?

Yeah. What? Did you ever see Twilight? I did see Twilight. Did you like Twilight? Yeah. Okay. So I had a problem with Twilight.

Okay. Collegas very in the Twilight. She enjoyed the movies. We will go see Twilight. I've benched it. So I don't know if I would have appreciated it if I waited for the movies to come out. I watched it all the same time. So it was like a soap opera for me.

It just kept going and going and going on. Do you know what happens at the end of Twilight? Right. So remember, what's her name? Bella? Bella. She becomes a vampire. Spoiler alert.

Oh, nigger, fuck it. That shit is always. She becomes a vampire. They have a kid. She becomes a vampire to have a kid. That's what happens to Bella. Twilight. Okay.

When they have a kid, she has a kid with Edward. When they have a kid, Jacob, the wolf dude. Where a one? Yeah. Imprints on the kid.

Mm-hmm. Okay. I took that to mean that in the future, he's going to have a love with the kid. Is that how you took it? Let's look it up right now. He imprinted, Jacob imprints on the kid, and I feel like they're going to be together when she becomes a woman. I just thought, I looked at it as like he was going to protect her, which is how they left it. He was going to protect her and care for her.

Look, Jacob imprinted on Renee Samoa Samoa. Cullen, the daughter of Beliswana and Edward Cullen. All right. It says Jacob has a strong bond with her. It's more of a protector as she gets older will be a best friend.

Thank you. I'm going to be honest with you. You're nasty. I don't think that that's what that means. I think he imprinted on her and he is like it says right here.

This means that Jacob is not in love with Renessa May, at least not yet. Until she grows up to become adult, he would act more like her protector. They're eventually going to be together. What website? Are you? I'm looking from a bunch of different websites. We need to talk about the creepy Jacob and Renee Samei twist.

But like the part that bothers me isn't that he ends up with Bella is that he imprints on the, this is a thing. But the general definition of imprinting doesn't mean that. It means like to recognize somebody as somebody you trust and protect almost. like a parent. That's what they're doing. The imprinting theme was a way for Jacob to have a relationship with her later on. I promise you. I guess we've just reached the point in the show where you reach the point in the show

where you want to reach on every single. I'm not reaching on anything. By the way, what are you about to connect this to? This story about this dude. See what I'm saying? So this guy met his wife when she was a baby. Now she's pregnant with our child. How old is she?

She's 29. Oh. He's 48. So? So they didn't even realize that they had met before. She was a baby. Even better. She had been introduced to her mother, Sarah Owen.

When Richard Sarah were introduced, they had worked at the same street. Rich realized that he had seen Evie as a baby and pushed her around in the stroller. It was a bit freaky what I realized. I'd met Evie as a baby, but I had no idea at the time. We just laughed about it. Age is just a number to us. I've been mistaken for Evie's dad before but most people can see how well we clicked

the 19 year old age gap doesn't bother us at all everybody's up in arms over this I don't understand what's the point they didn't it's not like he met her when she was young and he waited till she was ripe okay that's not what he did she's 29 he's 48 imprint 19 is that 19 years

19 years difference like what's the big deal why is everybody upset and he did not imprint on her, stop. I'll tell y'all one thing right now, seriously, what happened at the end of twilight is not okay. Okay, man. We all know. Who has y'all, Donnie, have you seen Twilight?

Never saw it that way. Have you seen Twilight? I haven't. Look, look at this. There's a twisty bit of Laura where she wrote and tried to cover to see, look, that's not it is. For Todd's Brother, it's a romantic sexual coupley.

Jacob looks at Rismamie and sees, I don't know how to say this name, and sees their future. And the conclusion is a romantic relationship. that actually happens. Let's repeat that. Jacob looks at a baby and envisions a relationship

with resume that is romantic. He looks at a baby and is supernaturally compelled to an eventual romantic pursuit. He looks at a baby. That's what happens. I'm glad you were able to scroll down until you found the website.

That's what happens. No, because the first one you read said what I said. I'm glad that you were able to find it. Look, if it happens, it happens. Who cares? It's fictional. He waited until she got an age. She grows up magically.

She ages super fast. She'll be grown up and stop aging by time. Telling you. All right. That's fine. Just like, I'll be honest with you. I always thought that that was,

so now everybody thinks this is weird. You know how I feel. Because when I first saw that, I was like, that's not okay. First of all, don't imprint shit on my baby. Get away.

You're a wolf. You imprint on your own babies. You don't imprint on my babies. the first thing. Don't, no imprint. Secondly, it's weird. There is no second. You got a very serious question or not. How come

it's like, as the podcast goes further, it seems like you and snake killer are against me. Donnie, you're going to have to just agree with something. Donnie never agrees with you. Right. I'm against you. I agree.

All right. Are you happy? I do have a very serious question. I put it in my Twitter drafts real quick. Donnie, whatever he asked, don't answer. Donnie, you know what? Go ahead and answer it. Because I'm going to start, I'm going to... You're going to find out, Donnie.

You're going to learn. I can't wait to get even with you. Where do you find your Twitter drafts at? Where are they at? Okay, this is Venn's very serious question of the week.

I was thinking about this. Okay. When we were coming up and we were looking to categorize Jay-Z as somebody, they said that Jay-Z was the New Age Frank Sinatra.

Do you remember this? I didn't know they said that. Donnie, do you remember this? Yeah, I feel like he said it more than... I Sinatra, Shacha, God damn you. Question. This is Vand's very serious question of the week.

Have we reached a point where JZ is more famous than Frank Sinatra? Is Jay Z more famous than Frank Sinatra? Yes. You say yes. Donnie? Yeah, that's a tough question, but I got to go yes too. You're going to say yes? I'm going to say yes.

It's a different generation now. It don't matter. Oh, that's what I would say it. That's why I would say it. I'm going to say that Jay-Z is more famous and more relevant in American culture than Frank Sinatra. In 2022, yes. Well, what else? Frank Sinatra died.

Well, no, but I am my basis. It's definitely not the same in 19. 1772. Well, my base, he was born, but I'm basing it off of the generation where we are right now. And I think young people either aren't going to know who Frank Sinatra is. And if they do, they don't understand what Frank Sinatra meant when he was in his prime or when he was around or the impact that he's had in pop culture. That plays into Jay Z though, because is Jay Z more famous than Michael Jackson? No.

No. Is Jay Z more famous than Mick Jagger? No. Is JZ more famous than Paul McCartney? No. Is JZ more famous than John Lennon? No. There's a bunch of people that JZ is still not more famous than

that are from the old school. I just don't think that Frank Sinatra is one of you. See, if I'm basing it off generation, I would still say more than John Lennon. You think JZ is more famous than John Lennon? I think if you ask this Generation Z, I think that JZ would be. And that's what I'm based on.

Because I feel like the people who would say he's more relevant aren't with us as much anymore as the new generation. See, my basis is different from yours. That's why. That's why I would answer it in that way. But Jay-Z's not more famous than John Lennon right now. I don't think so. John Linn is one of Beatles.

I know that. And we continuously do Beatles stuff, right? Like we still make Beatles are very, there's like movies, there's books. All this stuff is still coming out. Beatles, Beatles, Beatles. But if you're talking about it in a group-wise, then yeah.

But when you start getting into an individual sense, I think for this generation it would be Jay-Z. Well, this is me, I'm not talking about for a specific generation.

But that's my basis for, that's my yes, where my yes comes from. But that's your, that's your yes. But that's not the question, though. It is the question.

The question is overall, who's more famous? And you got to have a reason for why you're saying. But it's not just one generation that we're comparing it to. It's the world.

It's like, it's like, who's more famous in the world? And I think there's more of them than there are of the time that people would say he's more relevant. I think we would look at it in a different way than the people younger than us. So we just had my mama on Petticoash Queen. So they just don't matter.

All of them. No. Because it's a bunch of them. But more relevant. What's the age real quick? We got to go. I don't know. I don't know. What's the age that you feel like people stop knowing about John Lennon?

It's not that they stop knowing. You're asking who's more relevant. I didn't ask who's more relevant. Wait, what was the question again? What was the question? I didn't ask more relevant. I was like, who's more famous? Who's more famous?

Fine. Fine. Right now. In the whole world. Right now. But in the whole world, not just with Gen Z. In the whole world. Okay, in the whole world, I'd probably say John Lennon.

Oh, you heard that? It's time to go. My stomach's rumbling. My stomach's rumbling. So Jay Z, you say more famous than French Sinatra. I agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is Jay Z more famous than John Lennon?

It's up in the air. We don't know. Scooby-Doo gang. What do y'all say? Who's more famous out of Jay Z and John Lennon? I'm going with Beyonce's husband. John Lennon. John Lennon.

He white, though, so, you know, he will say. All right. Take thing, caps off, but do not stop learning. Our learning is going to bring you, just let you guys know, going to Greece on Thursday. Yes. We're very excited for you.

We're going to Greece, Kalika and I. We're going to be out. Our Learning is going to give you some of the best interviews that we've had next week. Yeah.

We're going to give you an interview with Bliss the Ambassador. Fantastic. We're going to give you an interview with Glasses Malone. These are both Can't Miss interviews. Okay.

But yeah, so take you. think caps off but do not stop learning. I want you guys to think about this JZ question. Is JZ more famous than Frank Sinatra or John Lennon? I say

yes. They think y'all but do not stop learning I'm Van Gogh I'm Rachel and Luceon.