Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Jacob Blake Shot by Police in Wisconsin and Roger Goodell's Fake Apology to Kap

Episode Date: August 25, 2020

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss Sunday’s video of Jacob Blake being shot in the back by a police officer in Wisconsin (0:25), Roger Goodell’s appearance on Emmanuel Acho’s show ‘Uncomfortable Conversations With a Black Man’ (43:47), Megan Thee Stallion’s recent Instagram Live when she confirmed that Tory Lanez shot her in the foot (58:25), and a recent commercial for ‘The Bachelorette’ (1:11:30). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yo, yo, welcome to higher learning. I am Van Lathen. I'm Rachel Lindsay. Normally we spend a little time warming up and getting into the podcast. I hope that you had a good weekend, Rachel. I had a decent weekend. But I think that it is incumbent upon us to jump right into the first topic. And maybe dispense with the pleasantries a little bit this week.

Are you an agreement of that, Rachel? Yeah, this definitely takes precedent over how your weekend was and how mine was. Right. If you guys don't know we're talking about, then I'll tell you right now. There is a black man right now who is fighting for his life. I think he is basically won that fight with his life. I would not like to speak prematurely on that. But it seems as if he is going to survive this shooting that happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

This man's name is Jacob Blake. He is 29 years old. A video began to surface yesterday as we record, We are recording this. It is Monday. A video began to surface of Jacob Blake walking around his vehicle to get into his car. There are police officers following him. The police officers are trying, I guess, to either detain him or to get him to stop as he tries to get into his car, which held his three young children.

A police officer grabs his shirt to stop him from getting in. And then what you see next is the officers open fire on him. He was shot, I believe, seven times. At least. At least seven times in the back. And for a while there, it was reported that he was dead. Now, since then, there have been multiple sources to come out and say that he has, in fact, survived this and seems to be doing as well as can be expected from having been shot that many times. There are conflicting stories.

Well, not conflicting stories. Just no confirmed stories of exactly what went on. most people are saying that Jacob had come there to break up a fight that was between two women. That part is not on tape. The cops arrived. And after the cops arrived, I guess in trying to do whatever it is that they were trying to do, they tased him. The taser did not work. They then shot him seven times.

Last night in Kenosha, Wisconsin, there were widespread demonstrations. people made their way to police departments and protested and amassed and really were out in force. So I was unlucky enough to have watched that video. Rachel, did you watch it? I accidentally saw it. Because I was actually trying to avoid it.

I mean, and I'm talking like I saw it today. When I heard about it, I specifically tried to stay off social media because I did not want to see it. and any and I didn't I saw a couple of people would post it and I was like nope I don't I want I'm tired I'm tired of watching this the outcome they I mean thank the Lord

he is alive but I'm tired of seeing this happening and I I don't want to watch anymore I don't watch it anymore yeah it's interesting to me why I can't stop myself for a long time I didn't watch the the Ahmaud Arbery video, but I eventually watched it. The story

of all of these shootings, for the most part, they're the same. So why I feel like I need to watch these, which are obviously detrimental and destructive to my own mental health, I don't know.

I don't know why I watched. I stopped watching after Amad. I haven't even seen George Floyd I've seen clips I stopped watching that one that one that one took me out I don't I

and I knew we were going to be talking about it today and a part of me felt I should watch it because I was going to be talking about it and then I just I happen to see it but I thought you know what I can read about it I can I just

that those images the video, it stays with me. I know it stays with you too. If I can try to not see it, I don't want to. I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing, but. I don't know. I think you're protecting your mental space and protecting your spirit. I don't think there's anything wrong with it at all.

Not only can I not stop myself watching, I can't stop myself from watching multiple times. Like, I watch it more than once. And I'm not sure. I'm not sure why. In this particular case, I went to bed desperately hoping and praying that this brother survived. That we get a chance to talk to him, to speak with him, that he gets to hold his children again and gets to, you know, be active with his family again and whatever. And that this isn't the end of his story.

But in hoping that, for some reason, I kept going back to the video as if I was going to gain some solace in anything that I saw, knowing by now that I won't. Do you think that's why you watch it? Because to me, I would think it's almost because it's such a surreal experience. Like, did this really just happen? I mean, we know this happens, unfortunately, time and time again. but when you see it, it's, I can't even do, it's like it's not real. Like, did this really, did these people just really have no regard for this man's life in front of his children, in front of an entire neighborhood of people,

and just gun this man down like he's some type of animal? It's almost, that's why I would say it's hard to not watch again and again because it's almost like, did this happen? Is this real life? Yeah. No, no, I get it. You feel that way. You also, we also continue, we continue to have discussions and we're hoping that the discussions are getting us somewhere.

We hope that there's an understanding and we hope that there is at least the collective realization that something needs to be done differently. And it's like a weird fucking groundhogs day situation to where, we do the same shit over and over and over again until we come back here. It's like we get enough time to catch our breath between these things. There's a fundamental problem with policing in America. You guys, I'm going to stay calm. I'm not going to yell or get all worked up or anything like that. There's a fundamental problem with policing in America.

There's a difference between what the police are supposed to provide here in this country, which we've discussed here on higher learning before, which is public safety. there's a difference between that and law and order. I'll tell you what the difference is. The difference is if you're the police and you are called out to a place where there's some people fighting, some people are scared, right? They want the presence of someone who's going to make them safe. And you go out there with the intention of making people safe.

Once a situation is safe for people, once it's diffused, which is your job as the police officers in that instance is to make sure everyone is safe. Once they're safe, you're going to step back, take stock of things, and figure out who made them unsafe. And once you figure that out, that's when the investigative and the order part of your job comes in. But your first edict, your first job as a police officer is to provide public safety to make the community safe. Okay. If you go out there and in your mind, your job, your goal, your goal, your goal, your purpose is order. There's a difference between safety and order.

If your job is order, law and order, then you're not looking for safety when you go on a call like that. What you're looking for are the evil people. You're looking for the bad people and you're prepared to neutralize those bad people in any means that is necessary to you, right? So when you go out there purposely to find whatever evil character is causing the ruckus, whatever number one male, whatever scary black male is out there, you're not going to believe that that person doesn't exist. You're not going to believe that maybe this is a situation that needed diffusing,

and maybe there isn't one evil, lawless super predator out there that you have to put down. The reason why this keeps happening to black people, The reason why this keeps happening to black men and women is because there's a belief that we in some way are at the center of all of society's ills. And in order to have law and order, what you have to do is not change systems, not be dedicated to safety, but to control us. And so that's how a man who's got his back turn to the police, who's actually moving away from the police, gets shot seven times. he gets shot seven times because the police are thinking this is the bad person. What is he trying to get? What is he trying to do?

We have to kill him before he kills us. You can't train that out of the cops. I know America, you think that you can. You can't train it out of the cops. We have to fundamentally change policing. And if that means doing away with it and ushering in an era of public safety, then we have to look hard at doing that. And if we can't do that, we're going to keep going through this.

let me ask you a question so how can you i i get exactly what you're saying and i and i agree with you but how do you get rid of policing and usher in public safety when these people are scared of the people they're supposed to be providing safety to it's a mentality and you said it when you said black's black people are looked at as being what's wrong what's ill in society and that's starts at a very young age from when you look at the experiments done with children in classroom and what connotations are attributed to the color black. It starts at a very young age. So if you look at black people a certain way and you look at them as being done what's wrong, how even if you usher in providing public safety, can you provide safety to the people

that you fear? I don't understand that. It's a mentality that has to, change. And I'm saying that because I don't know what we do. I don't know how to fix it. I don't believe getting rid of the police and bringing in public safety is key. It's still going to happen if you're scared of us. It's still going to happen if you think that we're evil and you automatically look at us as what did they do wrong? They're wrong already before anything goes down. I don't know how you fix it. And even to add on top of that, the irony, I don't even know if irony is the right word. Maybe I should say the audacity of what happened on Sunday to Jacob Blake. A man is fighting for his life with at least seven bullets in his back. And you have the Republican National Convention

starting today. And you have Vice President Pence accepting his renomination or accepting the renomination and is channing back the blue. Like literally, you don't care about us. You've made no statement, your administration has made no statement as to what happened in Wisconsin. And all you're talking about is how we need to back the blue and support the blue while a man is fighting for his life in the hospital at the hands of what the blue did. Not recognizing there's a problem. Instead, you want to ignore it, pretend it's not an issue because you want to look at us as the problem because you don't care about us. You have no, you have no desire to protect us, to to help us to mend this racial divide,

all you want to do is keep separating it. And I'm saying all this to say, I don't know what we do to fix it. I don't know how we break this cycle when it's a mentality thing. You're scared of us and you don't care about us. Period. So you can't change people's mentalities.

You can't. Unfortunately, you can. But what you can do is sort of mitigate. You can. affect their ability to do harm because the opposite of law and order is criminality, right? Right. The opposite of safety is harm. So what you can do is you can put people like what ended up happening in the situation with Jacob Blake is actually the worst case scenario.

I want people to understand that. And that's something else that we have to understand. So nobody was killed or seriously injured in whatever was happening before Jacob Blake was shot. Nobody was, at least not to my knowledge, they weren't. Okay, so then the worst case scenario when the police are then called out there is that a citizen of the country is then killed or seriously injured. That's as bad as it can go. Okay? So if the police, if somebody was getting killed, raped, God forbid,

whatever, and the police come out there and they stop it, well, then that's the best thing. But if that's not happening, right, and the police come out there and someone who was involved in that, they say he was trying to break up a fight, we don't know that for certain, but let's say that that's the case, right? That somebody like that gets killed or seriously injured.

That's the worst thing the police can do. That's the worst. It doesn't get any worse than that. And we can keep going through that over and over and over again. The worst outcome in the case of Eric Garner is the police killing him. That's the worst outcome, right? That's the worst outcome. The worst outcome when you call police out to see what's going on with George Ford,

is that the cops kill him. That's the worst outcome, the worst. So the question is, if the police can't manage their ability to do harm, right? If they can't stop doing harm, if they're into these worst case scenarios, more often than they should be. Brianna Taylor, you go there the server warrant. The worst thing that can happen there is that you walk in there

and you kill American citizens who haven't done anything. That's the worst thing, right? Because remember, none of these people signed up for a dangerous job. None of them did. The police did sign up for a dangerous job. So it is different.

The standard is different. So the worst thing that they can do So then how do we affect the police, the police department, the police forces ability to do harm? Because we're not going to be able to change their minds. But how can we stop them from doing harm? And there are a number of ways that we could do that. Yes. Yes.

Go ahead and say it. Shall we say it together? I thought you were going to list them out. I thought that's what you were about to do when you were like there are a number of ways. Well, to me, number one, it one, I don't. I know people don't understand this, but it actually starts with defunding the police, and I'll tell you why.

Because if you have a domestic disturbance, right? Then the first thing that needs to happen is, in a quick and real way, people need to be able to ascertain like what the danger of this domestic disturbance really is. Because there's a chance that you don't need two guys armed to the teeth to go out there and respond to that to make sure everybody is safe.

there's a like answering a call where there's some dude held up in a building and he's a bank robber or he's got 90 hostages and he's going to do something like you shouldn't send the same people

with the same mentality to answer that call as you should a domestic disturbance between two women two men or whatever the stakes don't have to be that high but we'll never be able

to explore those things if we keep throwing people into the police force that have been trained for six to nine months or whatever it is, and throwing them out there and asking them to navigate situations that they can't navigate under the guise of you have to go stop bad people. So there needs to be a fundamental look at public safety. Part of that is taking money away from places like that and establishing different organizations and community structures that are more equipped to deal with calls like

might have happened to the Jacob Blank call. Because the cops obviously aren't equipped not to shoot somebody seven times in the back the moment they get a little itchy. They should be. They should be. They should be. So we got to stop living in the fantasy world like they are. So I completely agree with you. And you have seen some cities take those type of measures. And I'm not sure what the results have been.

But you have seen people recognize that that funds need to be reallocated to the proper place. So you don't have police showing up in situations where they don't need to be. And there's somebody who's more well equipped to handle that situation. I was going to say qualified immunity. I mean, we've talked about this. We've talked about both of these actually before, but if you can hide, if you cannot sue police civilly and attack them for their money,

then you have to hit them where it hurts, right? Right now they're protected under qualified immunity. It's very, very hard to prove. And if police know that they're not going to be hurt financially, and we see what happens to them in the criminal court, they're barely ever charged. And if they are charged, they're barely convicted. And so we need to, they need to feel threatened in a way that they never have been before. And I don't understand the big issue with that. I don't think that you'll see, I think the issue they think that police won't,

they won't be able to attract people to the police force if qualified immunity exists because people will continue to sue the police. I don't think that that's the case. And I also don't think that it'll deter people from wanting to be policemen or a part of the police force. I think, what will deter people is what's happening right now in our country. We are divided. People are on opposite sides of the spectrum as to how the police should continue and how the police should execute public safety or law and order. That's what's going to deter people from one to entering the police force, not necessarily qualified immunity. I think that this, this to me is a non-negotiable issue. And I, let me ask you this. Since Joe Biden,

has, I know initially he's not against defunding the police. Is that where he still stands? He's not about defunding the police, right? No, he's not. He actually is an interview that was just recently released where he argued for more funding for the police. Right. So he's not for defunding the police. We know Kamala Harris is for, she's for defunding the police, right?

She's for some form of reform that looks like defunding. She's against qualified immunity. She's against qualified immunity. And so I don't know if, I know Joe Biden when he announced Kamala said something like we might, we might disagree in the way that we go about it, but we have the same, I guess the same policies that they want in place. And so I'm finding that curious because I know she was big in the Senate with Cory Booker for pushing that act through.

And I know that that was one of the key issues in the act, which is why they couldn't come to an agreement with the Republicans because they didn't want to be. bend on qualified immunity. And Tim Scott was saying that was never going to happen. The Republicans were never going to push that forward. Right. So it was a poison pill. A poison pill. And I'm saying that to say is part of all of this too is to hold people, okay, here we are right now. We're on the eve of an election. We know where Trump stands. We know what he's for. We know that Joe Biden has recognized that there is systemic racism in the police force. We know that he does not want to defund the police. but we need to hold him accountable

and to push what we want to see happen in the police force forward because at the moment, it's not going to get done. Do you see what I'm saying? Like at the moment, the cycle isn't going to be breaking

and we can't depend on who's in office with either side to get it done because Joe Biden is talking about more funding for the police. So how can you recognize that there's systemic racism and the police force,

but also you want to give them more money? What if you have the black agenda on your agenda, then how can you do that? I don't understand. He's already come out and made a statement, which he said there's systemic racism. He's made that statement after what happened to Jacob Blake happen.

So what are you going to do for us to fix this? It can't just be words anymore where you recognize it. Great. You see what we see. Now what are you going to do about it? I think this is where we have to put the pressure on him to really enforce the black agenda because otherwise we're going to see this cycle

where the police do this to another black man, a politician comes out, gives a statement, and then it happens again. And nothing is done. Yeah. Yeah. No, I get it. So I think one thing that we're talking about is

I don't even think that amongst the black community there is sort of a consensus on what the answer to these questions are. I think, of the things that we're talking about are relatively new ideas. There was a conversation earlier that I was having in a group to where, you know, it was brought up that Joe Biden had recently done an interview where he talked about adding more funding to police budgets and how tone deaf that looked in regards to the time that we're in, and especially in light of what had just happened.

And what came back from there was a gentleman who said, said, listen, you know, my aunt is, I have aunts that range between 45 and 75 years old and they live in these suburban places or these places wherever. And one of their complaints is that when they call the police, the police don't get there fast enough in these suburban black areas and in some of these, you know, more depressed black areas, the cops don't get there fast enough. So that to him is an argument for increasing police budgets so that there are more police officers that what respond quicker to problems in the black community. So I'd say that, you know, in a certain demographic of brothers and sisters, you start

talking about a world with no police and they get antsy. Because remember, and it's hard for people to understand this, but the same crime element that white people are afraid of, black people are afraid of the exact same crime element. It's just that in a lot of places, I know it seems as if we're a bunch of barbarians and And we love living in places where there seem to be more murders and more robberies and more things like that and drug dealings. That's not true. The true is there's a small percentage of people that are doing that in those areas. It's just that for our survival, we've learned to live in those places.

It's just the way that things go. That happens across the scope of humanity. Wherever you're at, you're going to figure out a way there to survive there. And if you're black, you're probably going to figure out a way to celebrate and be like that. affirming there as well. But no, it's still the same fear. So the question then becomes what's really wrong with those neighborhoods, those areas, what don't they have that is keeping them from being safe?

If the answer, in my opinion to that question is they don't have enough police, I say you are fucked in the head if you think that's the answer. I really, if you think that the answer to that question is just having you are, you are, fucked in the head. You really are. Because remember, a police officer, a police department is a department made up of individuals. And those individual thoughts become collective actions. So it doesn't even matter more police that you have. It matters the kind of police. Yes. What they're trained to do and what they're not trained to do. And they don't all necessarily have to be police, but they have to be committed to public safety. So those are the questions.

that we have to start asking if we want to sort of avoid some of the outcomes that we're seeing. As far as qualified immunity is concerned, I think qualified immunity is just the beginning of the conversation. It's how we get to where we're going, right? So if there are lower numbers of people that want to be police officers because of qualified immunity, because they're worried about the possibility of being. suit. I think it's just something they put out there. But even if there were, Rachel, that's a good thing.

Even if there were, that's a good thing. Do you know why? Why? You know, because right now, I could decide that I wanted to be a police officer, right? And basically, in six to eight months or something like that, maybe a year, I can make that happen. Right? And I could make that happen in a job where every time I leave my station, get out of my squad car, roll around, I have people's lives in my hands, right? Now, if I wanted to be a doctor, another job where every time I go out and I do things, I see somebody, my life is, their life is in my hands.

I'd have to go to four years of undergrad, then three years, four years of medical school, whatever it is, and then out-compete all of these, other people, right? And along the way, the road to becoming that, where you have to know what you're talking about, where the stakes are life and death, that road is so arduous that a lot of people don't make it to the end. It's too hard. You have to be too dedicated to it. They don't just say, hey, this is, and that also weeds out for a lot of people, the reasons why. If you're coming back from the military or something like that, this is not to diss any of our men and women in uniform and you just want to keep that going and just jump in there if you're not dedicated to public safety, maybe a longer, more strenuous process to becoming a police

officer or higher stakes to if you fuck up might weed out some people that we don't need a uniform because doctors can get sued from malpractice. I agree with you if it's an and, right? Like, if it's, I agree with you, if the road is long and it's hard and you have to go through numerous, numerous tasks to get to the end result. Yeah, people will, you weed them out. They'll fall off along the way. I just don't think it's, it stops with qualified immunity. I think it deals with a whole, a number of other things, which I think were personally addressed in the Justice and Policing Act, if that could have passed as is, which it didn't.

And we know where we stand with that. But yeah, it's, it's, it's training. It's, it's, it's psychological test. It's, it's qualified immunity. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's raising the stakes, but it's also the practice of getting the right type of police officer who has the mentality to issue out public safety rather than

I'm a police officer. I wear a badge. I have this authority. I got the big stick and I'm in a wreck havoc. Because that's what it seems to be a lot of. Right. And it's also about taking money out of police budgets and creating

new departments and new structures that are committed to different areas of public safety. It's about also taking money and putting them back in some of these neighborhoods that might sort of address these problems root and stem, rather than sending tricker happy band-aids out on the street and having them actually open up more wounds. the bottom line is this. It's not working. This is happening too much.

It's not working. It's just not. This is, and things are too on edge. Like, I had an epiphany this morning. I woke up, upset, mad, because there was another shooting in Lafayette as well. I woke up upset, mad, but I got comforted. Something swept over me.

I'm being serious now. Something swept over me. Comforting in that this is a problem and problems by and large are solvable if you take the right roads to solutions. So my goal is not to be upset or anything like that is to me. make sure that I am using whatever power I might have or whatever influence I might have to empower people who have what I think are workable solutions to this problem. Because I guarantee you guys something. Just plain speak.

Niggas not going to take this shit forever. They already aren't. They just not. And I know that you guys, you guys like fucking rolling loud concert. You like the everything is beautiful festival. You love Times Square. You love Central Park. You know, fucking a million people in Times Square.

But you love all these beautiful things about American society. You like brunch. You like all of this stuff, right? I'll guarantee you guys. None of it has to exist. It doesn't. It doesn't. It exists because of social packs and social contracts that are made between smaller groups of people, bigger groups of people, vice versa.

Sometimes small to small, sometimes big to big. And the moment that collectively a group of 40 million people or even 20 million of the 40 or even 10 million of the 40 or even 5 million of the 40 think with a lot of evidence, historical evidence and present day evidence that these contracts are not all just bullshit, but that they're actually ensuring their oppression, your brunch is fucked. It's people saying outside your brunch with M16s is gone. It's over. It can have. happened. It's happened in other places before, and it'll happen here. If you care about America and you like the society that you live in, you need to be dedicated to fixing it because it doesn't have to exist. And I am as worried about that as anybody else. Fuck it. I like brunch. But I don't like seeing unarmed, black women and men killed for nothing. I don't like to see my sisters exploited. I don't like to see my brother's thrown in jail. I'm sick of it. So let's figure it to

fuck out. But Van, this is where it comes back to like, it's on your mind. You're being affected by it because it's affecting us and our people. We as black people are in a state of emergency. And the emergency, the state is our blackness. And when you give an example about brunch or rolling loud or life is beautiful or Bernie Man or whatever it may be, those people are a little bit detached because it's not affecting them the same way. Look at the trend already of the Black Lives Matter. movement. It's already dying down. You know, like people are already moving on to the next thing. They're not talking about it the same way.

Even with Jacob Blake, yes, who's out in the streets protesting? There are other people, but it's black people because we are tired. We are frustrated. We've had enough. I guess I don't have as, I'm so glad that you had, you know, the epiphany that you had this morning. I didn't get that same epiphany. I guess I feel like, and you're talking about problems and then being solved or they can be.

and I just feel like the way things are going to be solved is also people with power who can do something about it. And right now, the people who are running, right now, are in a position of power to do something, but it's not necessarily on their agenda. Well, we also have to be intentional about the standard that we hold them to. Yeah. We have to.

We have to be intentional about what has worked, in the past, what's not going to work in the future, how we are able to bargain what they're asking for us and what we're prepared to give. And we have an opportunity here as an American community to set up the next generation of America in a way that might look a little bit different than this. And we have to seize the opportunity right now, or we might lose everything. Because I just don't see how you're asking a new generation. to swallow the same bullshit. They're just not going to, they're not going to swallow it.

I mean, and they, nor should they. It was harder to see the lies that we're being told. But now, so many different ways we can see them. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I do want to say that, you know, just love and light to Jacob Blake's family. And not just his family, but to every family, like, Jacob Blake's family and his friends,

they are the most direct victims of what's happening, him and his family and friends. But this might seem stupid to say, but I truly believe this. A whole community of people gets victimized each time this happens. That's not stupid. Those are the people who are out in the streets right now.

That's not stupid. And so, you know, something like this happens and you feel this, but you got to keep feeling it. So because we need to, we need to, we need to fucking fix this. And we need to fix it quickly. Everybody's going to fuck. But I'm glad more than anything that he's alive.

That that brother survived. Now, as we were sitting here, I just got a sad email. A very sad email. What happened? Three of my only fans' subscriptions expired. I'm getting off of OnlyFans. So, like, I'm getting off of OnlyFans. I'm not doing it anymore.

I'm getting it. It went too far. So as I'm sitting here, three of them is five. This is one time that I wish my screen would have frozen and your volume would have tapped out. No, what I'm saying is that here's what, here's the way they get you, Rachel. Here's the way they get you. So when you are on OnlyFans and you're supporting people, right, they ask you, you know, because sometimes they'll change their price on Onlyfans.

They'll go from like 1599 or like 7.9. And they can't... Please teach me. I don't know anything about it. They can't just change the price without you saying, you agreeing to pay the extra $2 or $3 per month, right? So they ask you, do you want to renew? And you just, you don't want to renew.

Or every week or every month or whatever when the OnlyFans renews, you can go on there and pick which ones you want to renew and which ones you don't want to renew. I had to get rid of all of them. Like, I got rid of all the OnlyFans. So it's like now coming to the point in the month where these are expiring. And what OnlyFans is doing is letting you know, hey, your subscription to Blank Blank is going to expire tomorrow. Who?

I'm just, I'm not endorsing anyone. I believe there was three. There were three. And they're all getting ready to expire. One is expired tomorrow. One is expired. Two are expired tomorrow and one expired today. And OnlyFans is testing me to see if I really want.

want to go through this. Because what they're really saying is that I'm not, I can't do it. Like, it's too much. Like, it's like, what Only Fans is really saying to me. Do you pay that amount for each account? Yeah. My God. No wonder people are out here bawling on Only Fans.

You pay $15.99. Are they all the same? Some of the, they have different things that they do well. And so sometimes it's like, it's like anything. So like they're like categories, like a list of things. What do you mean? Bullet points of what they do well? No, you have to experience it.

Let me tell you where they get you. So on an only fans, it'll tell you like the number of videos that the girl might have or like what she's into, like what she does. Like it'll be like, hey, whoever, whoever her name would be, crazy twer, boy girl sex, all of that stuff like that. It'll have it in a little description. And then you like, you'll go, okay, that's. seems like cool, but you don't ever know until you pay

what's behind the OnlyFans paywall, right? You don't know what's on there. So you pay and then all the videos open up and either you're presently surprised or you're like, you know, you're not. But at that point, you've paid. You pay for each person. Why would you do this instead of like a porn hub?

Good question. The answer is with the porn hub, okay, OnlyFans is different. It's a different experience. Take your time. Take your time and I'm saying. Only fans is different. It's a different experience. First of all, normally when someone has an only fans, they upload more. They put more stuff on there. Pornhub might be every couple of days. I mean, there's a lot more stuff on Pornhub, but normally, and it's also

specific, because when you've been watching porn as long as I've been watching it, then you want specific things. And you might find a girl that does specific things, and she's uploading all the time. But look, it's time to grow up. I'm off of it now. It's over and they're finally weeding out. And that's it. That's it with the only fans thing. I was admonished for it. And that and that and that and that and that. You're admonished for it? We can't go into that. We can't go into that. I can't go into that. I was admonished forward. And now we move on. We move on. But it's just as we're as we're doing that talk, it's like, I would kill Brian if he had an only fan's account. If he was, so wait,

And today's our anniversary. Oh, happy anniversary. So, okay, look, and I get it. And there are a lot of ladies out there. But Only fans is different, okay? Okay. The reason I think OnlyFans is different than regular. The reason I would be really upset if Brian had a only fans is because you are

particularly subscribing to a person. You're paying to see one person's content, which means there's something you're really into about that one person. There's something that sparks your interest where you can't get enough where you are willing to pay a 50, which is insane. That's more than like Netflix. A 1599 prescription, a subscription, I mean, to see this person's work. So like it's a little too personal for me.

I know, I get it and that, you know, that was the whole thing. So let me ask you this. If you then, what if like a porn star has like a personal site or on, because on, because even on porn. Do they have those? Oh. Yeah, they do. Because even on Pornhub, some of the Pornhub stuff is video. but some of there are girls or couples or whatever

that just upload all of their stuff. Oh, I did not know that. Yeah, see, you don't know. I really didn't know that. You know, you don't know. For free? No, I mean, well, it depends. Like, there's Pornhub, and then there's Pornhub Premium,

which I am still a member of. And so there's Pornhub, there's Pornhub, the Free Pornhub, and then there's Pornhub Premium. But, you know, I mean, look, it's like, it's waning. In my entire life, I didn't know that it would ever wane. This is something, think about it. about this. This is a journey with porn that I started on when I was 13 years old. 13. And it's finally waning now. I'm growing up. I was going to say you ain't tired.

A little bit. I am. I can say that I am. It's a very time consuming. Anyway, okay. Yeah, so that's that's porn hub. You're not going to get me. You know what? I'm not going to renew those. Those are gone. Good for you. We'll do a follow up here. We'll do a follow up. Well, listen, I'm not, I'm not going to, I've been watching Succession, and it's a good show. And on the show, Kendall, Kendall Roy is falling back into his addictions. I'm not going to fall back into mine. So you admit you have an addiction. Okay.

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That's the homie. Uncomfortable conversation. Are you still tuning in? I love this. I've never watched one episode of you. You watched nine. I watched your episode. I've watched your episodes several times.

Because, man, you sip a little duce and you put on your episode. That episode is funny as hell. Like, you are in your element. You're doing your thing. You're always big rage. That's why I fuck with you. You're always big rage. It doesn't matter.

But Lindsay Vaughn is fucking terrifying. Like, Lindsey Vaughn is in a nightmare on Elm Street movie during that whole thing. She was looking around like, like, like, you could have got Lindsey Vaughn to say the black man is God. You really could have got Lindsay Vaughn to pleasure allegiance to Farrakhan. And that, like, you, you could have. Like, Lindsay, Lindsay was terrified. I don't know. I think she, I think she was nervous because I think she was afraid of saying maybe the wrong thing.

And, I mean, I think she got into this. I'm not quite sure. but her family isn't as open. So I think that she was being really cautious of what she was saying because of her family. Right. Okay. Yeah, but it's just funny.

Because she seems like a really good lady and she was. She's really nice. Toeing the line. It was like, Lindsay, what do you think about white people? Fuck them. Fuck white people. I don't ever want to see him again.

Fuck them. It's like she was really, she was nervous having that conversation. I know and poor people jumped on her because she was like, I mean, I don't see color. People were mad at me because I didn't check her and I'm like, y'all, I didn't really need to go after her. Don't check her.

Let her live. They always want that. I'm like, what was that? The woman was there with good intentions. I'm not going to jump down her back every single time she said the wrong thing or what y'all thought was the wrong thing. But no, the only thing about that is, though, it's obvious that she sees color, though,

because the last four-five. There's been more than one. Yeah. Right. Like, she's amazing. Not only do you. See, I would have liked it if she had said, not only do I see color,

but I fucking love it. That would have been dope. That's what I'm trying to say. I know, but your home boy, Emmanuel Acho, on a show, which, by the way, is a good show, by the way, you guys. Every time I don't watch the show, but every time I see a clip from it,

he's a good interviewer. He's a very, very, very intelligent brother. Good for him. Everything that he gets, he deserves. He had, Darth Vader himself. Roger Goodell on the show. He took his helmet off and he sat down and he talked to Emmanuel Acho.

Now, of course, if you guys don't know, Roger Goodell is the commissioner of the National Football League. And during this conversation, Emmanuel asked Goodell, basically if he felt like in any way that he owed Colin Kaepernick an apology. quick recap, Colin Kaepernick protested by taking the knee during the national anthem. He protested police brutality and systemic inequality and injustice. And after that, despite being a more than competent NFL football player, he essentially has been fired by the league, not picked up by any NFL teams after he opted out of his contract with the San Francisco 49ers. He sued alleged collusion and they settled that by. between him and the NFL in some shadowy backroom deal

that nobody really knows what went on or how much money cap got or anything like that. Now, when he was asked if he owed an apology to Colin Kaepernick, Roger Goodell said this. Well, the first thing I'd say is I wish we had listened earlier, Cap, to what you were kneeling about and what you were trying to bring attention to.

we had invited him in several times to have the conversation and have the dialogue. I wish we had the benefit of that. Yeah. We never did. And, you know, we would have benefited from that. Yeah. Absolutely. So he says he wished he'd have been more open and had listened to Colin Kaepernick earlier on about what he was talking about.

Rachel, your thoughts. When you are asked a question, you know specifically how to answer a question. Period. It's common sense, too. but he specifically because you were trained to do this. And he was asked point blank about an apology to Colin Kaepernick. And he danced all around the answer. He never gave a specific answer.

And I thought, I didn't expect him to, right? So when I saw that he was going to, when Emmanuel was going to sit down with Roger Goodell, I thought, wow, this is really big for the web series, uncomfortable conversations. but we're not going to get anything from Roger Goodell because why would he give it in this interview when he hasn't given anything to us, period, which is what we want is him to apologize, him to recognize Colin Kaepernick and for the wrong that he did specifically to him and the effects of that.

I thought it was interesting that in this, they started out and he was giving a little history of his family background, which I did not know anything about. And he was talking about his father and they show a picture of his story. father marching with Coreta Scott King. And he is very proud of this and of how his father stood up to the president, to the vice president and opposed the Vietnam War when he had originally supported it. And it was, Roger Goodell was talking about how his father was on the right side of things. And even though he lost the Senate race, he decided to do what was right. So I thought, oh my gosh, is this conversation going somewhere? Is this conversation going on the right side of

things or using your father as an example who stood on the right side of history when it at least came to the Vietnam War. I can't say that for everything else because I'm not quite sure. So I thought, okay, this is going to be his chance to say he should have been on the right side of it with Kat. And he didn't. And so all of that was just a bunch of talk to lead up to nothing, I felt. Now, I know that there's a part two to this conversation. And maybe we will get some more. But to me, it was disappointing for you to use your father as an example of doing things the right way. But yet, you couldn't do that in this interview. And I think it's very simple.

So to me, the statement that he has since made about how the NFL was wrong still means nothing to me if you're not going to address Kaepernick. What if when Roger Goodell said, you know, flashed to a picture of my father, what if they flashed to a picture of like Al Sharpton? Wait, but why? But why would it have been Al Sharpton? Just like, what if Goodell was really trying to pander that hard to black people? And he goes, just let you know Al Sharpton's my dad. And it was like a whole thing. When you said something, when you said that, I thought, wow, is he, when you say

Pat's his father, is this nigga about to say that his dad is like Red Fox or something like that? Like, what could his father have done? Because I hate you like that. What could his father have done that would have any bearing on what we're talking about right now? It was the equivalent to I have black friends. That's what that whole statement was.

It's like he wasn't even marching for black rights. It was for the Vietnam War. You just happened to be hand in hand with a black woman. And see, that's why, like, if I'm sitting in that seat and shout out to Emmanuel who does a great job. You could never do that. I'd have been like, all right. So shout out to your dad. Like, why the fuck you a coward?

Like, you had to. And by the way, maybe Roger Goodell. doesn't think that what Colin Kaepernick did is on the right side of history. Maybe he doesn't think that. You can know he does. He has to. Why would you put out that statement? How do we know?

Because everything he says goes towards that without acknowledging Colin Kaepernick. Everything he says. But Rachel, what I'm saying is he's then when it would have taken some real hutzpah, some real hutzpah, some real hootspah, some real, some real hutzpah, some real, some real, some real, real actual fortitude to be on the side of Colin Kaepernick, he didn't. He punted like the whole league. Does he pun it? But that's my point. Like the goddamn bears do every third down.

Like he punted. Like he punt it, right? And so when it would have taken that, when it was when history called upon him, Roger Goodell was off sides. That's the irony in him using that comparison. So that's what I'm saying. It's stupid. And so to me, and by the way, what I'm saying is maybe he doesn't think that that was the right side of history.

Maybe he thinks it is now because everybody in hindsight and retrospect is looking back and going, hey, we got that wrong. But the question is, and the question always has to be, is, and this is one of my, I had a conversation with a brilliant guy named George Johnson. I am George Johnson on Twitter. Follow all of my young radicals. Follow George Johnson and Brooke Obie and all of the young radicals that keep looking at me going, van, you're going to sell out?

Van, we wait for you to sell out. All the people that keep me in line. Follow these people. I'm talking to George one time and George and me are talking about a very, very, very touchy subject. George was telling me about why he criticized someone that was beloved to me, beloved to me. Why he criticized them

for some homophobic things that they had said, right? And why he thought it was important to make that criticism public, even after this person was no longer with us anymore. They had passed away. And, you know, I was talking to him about that. And he said, he was like, you know, then you guys are always talking about tact. People are always talking about tact.

People are always talking about waiting until the right time. He was like, when you guys are waiting to the right time, like, we're dying. like we he's a gay black man he's like we die during the interim during the time that you guys stay silent and don't move and react to these things and won't look at yourselves we're still dying so it's not about doing the right thing it's about doing the right thing in a timely fashion because we don't got time away right so for roger cadale and the rest of the NFL people that are now coming around to it now,

go fuck yourself. I'm sorry. Like, I wish I could be more, I wish I could be more classy about it. But you can really go fuck yourself. Now, you can get unfucked right now if, if you make amends,

which is to address why Eric Reed isn't in the league, which is to address why Colin Kaepernick isn't in the league. Anything short of addressing what happened to those brothers is to go fuck yourself for me. Well, addressing it and going beyond your statement.

Because right now you've just made a statement. And I don't want to hear lift every voice and sing before every NFL game. That ain't it either. So they need to do more. I don't like that song that much. It's okay. But it doesn't, but the gesture of playing that before means nothing. I mean, I get filled up with pride.

But here's the thing. You don't even like it. So it doesn't do anything for us. It's performative, right? So what's your statement? Which one? Before I let go. That's way more.

I thought you were going to say we are one. I mean. No, no, nobody is going to play We are one before I let it. It's a unifying song. It's a unifying song. I thought that's what we were going for. But before I let go, unifies people more

because we all get up. Yeah, that's what I danced to with my dad. That was our dance at the wedding. At the wedding? Brian was like, what is this music? Before I let go and then it transitioned into the Beyonce version. Brian was like, what is this music? Don't do Brian like that.

I want to hear something. I want to hear some Manuto. Like, play a living and be a local. Don't do my husband like that. Not on our anniversary. All right. But you were saying, though, you want to see something more. What would, is there anything that?

What could they do? What could be done? Well, one, obviously, is to recognize what was done. Right. You have to go beyond the statement. Recognize what was done. But then what would I? I mean, I would want to see some black leadership in the NFL.

And I don't know if Goodell. has that power, but he can definitely be vocal about it. You know, we talked about Jason Wright. Let's see some more black presidents. Let's see some more black ownership. Let's see, put some people in places that can make a difference or where I'm a player and I can walk into a room and feel like I'm being heard or people are fighting for me and what it is that I need for representation purposes in this league.

That could be a start. And it's not just coming from the NFLPA. Right. No, I agree. I think all those things would be, I think, you know, with an organization like the NFL, you'd have to change it. And look. Give us a black commissioner.

Yeah, that would be fantastic. But remember, the commissioner speaks for the owners. So whenever the commissioner speaks, it's essentially coming from the owners. So when the commissioner, and it's all, the NFL is a corporation. So it's all about money. It's all about money. So they're only going to be as brave as their wallets allowed them to be. That's why when you're arguing right versus right,

wrong, moral versus immoral. You're really having an argument of freedom versus commerce. And in America, freedom always loses. Freedom always loses to commerce. But in this situation, I can guarantee the NFL something. And this is something that they really need to be concerned with, is that the commerce will suffer here over the long term. There's a group of young Americans who have a lot more things to be into than they do football

on Sunday, right? They got fucking Fortnite. just getting started on Twitch. They got all of these other games and all of this stuff to be into. And if there is a sort of feeling amongst them that the NFL is a racist organization, they'll do something else. And don't let, and especially if COVID affects the NFL and you have to go a season without having it and people find something else to do to occupy their time, it's just going to build on that even more.

It's true. I'm still laughing because you said Minuto. Manudo is dope. That's like, Minuto. Stop, Brian don't listen to Minuto, but I'm still like. He ain't never listened to No Minuto. You know what? I've actually never asked him if he was in.

I don't think he was, I don't think he was into that as a kid. Like, he's Puerto Rican? He's Colombian. He's Colombian. Brian would surprise you with his, it's one of the things we connected on it was music. Right. Because like you can't because you got to the car after the, after the, well, it wasn't the first day.

You got a bachelor. I'll tell you. Oh, when we, after he said, we got engaged, they leave you alone. And we were like in a house in Spain. We were in Madrid. And I started playing music from my iPad. And it was like 90s R&B. And he started singing the lyrics like H-Town.

I'm from Dallas. So I was like, huh? Right. What you know about H-Town? Like that kind of stuff. So stop. Right. No I'm saying.

That's cool. But as soon as you left, as soon as you left, it was hit play. Die, D, Y, Guy. Oh my God. Brian going to fuck me up. Brian big as hell. Like Brian going to fuck me up, man.

Brian big as hell. I'm talking on the second. I can't wait. Look, oh, wow. There had to be a lot of news for this to be kind of talked about like down podcast ballot a little bit. Meg the stallion. Meg the stallion finally did what I think a lot of people

expected at some point. She identified her shooter. I don't know if they expected it or not. It's interesting. She went on Instagram live and she talked about the fact that her shooter is in fact Tori Lanes. Now, this had been, I guess,

speculated upon. Everyone pretty much knew that this was the thing because nobody was denying it. And this was the story that had come out, you know, some publications reported and stuff. But she apparently upset about what she thought was Tories people, planting stories around the industry that he, in fact, did not do it.

She said that his team is going around spinning a version of things that did not happen. She was upset about that. She spoke about it. She said, yes, Tori Lanes, it was you that shot me. And she talked in great deal. detail about why she attempted to protect him, about why she didn't tell even the police that it was him who actually shot her. Immediately this went everywhere.

So when I say everywhere, I mean, it spawned a million conversations. Conversations about sort of, because when Meg was talking, she talked about the fact that she as a black woman felt like she had to protect a black man. And people started talking about all different. aspects about this from the specific incident itself to how black men and black women relate to one another and that relationship on sort of a grander, grander scale. I'm sure you saw what she said. What did you think? Well, some of it I was confused about because I didn't know what made her want to hop on an IG live to say it. I didn't know if it was for people coming at her,

you know, accusing her of certain things, which is kind of what she made it seem like in the live, like you guys are coming at me for what I'm saying or what I've said or haven't said. I didn't realize that it was also Tori Lanes as people who were putting certain things out there. She does say that in the IG Live, but I didn't realize that there was so much depth with that

or if it was known that that was the case. Anyways, I'm glad that she came out on IG Live and she said exactly what she said. I mean, a part of me is like, is this going to mess up the case? Like, a part of me was like, did you say, because she went in full detail. She said exactly what happened.

And so part of me is scared for her because I don't want it to mess up the case because I believe her. So I'm taking this as the truth. And since that is what I'm believing to be true, this man needs to be charged, convicted, and he needs to sit in jail for what he did. Because as she is saying,

she literally was walking away and he was being and he shot at her multiple times. It's infuriating for so many reasons like what she's going through. One, I don't know what her relationship was with Torrey Lanes, but this is obviously somebody who was a friend, dare I go as far as saying someone she trusted and for him to violate her the way that he did is absolutely inexcusable. Then the fact that she has to defend herself to the public, I hate that. I hate that she had to take it to the internet to try to refute some of the rumors that are about her rather than people choosing to just believe what she said.

Nobody was giving her the benefit of the doubt, which is the frustration that she's expressing on this IG Live. Once again, people are diminishing the voice of a black woman because she must have done something to deserve that. Even if she did hit him, which she said she did not, it still doesn't warrant him firing gunshot. at her. I mean, it's, it was sad to me. The whole video was very, very sad to me that it came down to this, that she had to do this because it was almost as if people aren't on her side and they're refusing to believe what it is that she went through in her experience. And it just highlights the bigger problem that we've talked about time and time again on this show is that people don't value black women. When it comes to the social caste system in this society, black women are at the

bottom of the totem pole, even though they get shot at, even though she was protecting him because of the state of black men in this country, because of the state of black people in this country, she was protecting him. And still, people weren't protecting her. That's what it comes down to. And that's what's sad. Yeah, she said that one of the reasons why she didn't say, hey, hey, cops, this is what happened.

What happened is because we're living in a time right now where the police are shooting up black men. And like we talked about that earlier in the podcast and she didn't want to be a part of that. She was scared. She was afraid, rightly. So, first of all, from the lawyer perspective, what's the charge? What's that charge? She's walking away for whatever reason. I mean, it could be, it depends what his intent was, but it could be attempted, it's definitely aggravated assault, period. Absolutely that. Could it be a murder charge? I don't know. It could be a certain degree of it, depending on what you do with the intent. Definitely aggravated assault. Definitely aggravated assault.

With a deadly weapon. With the deadly weapon. So that's a significant charge in Torrey Lane's could be looking at some time if in fact it doesn't go his way. And it seems to be pretty open and shut. Although I'm not a lawyer. I'm not in the legal realms. Well, there's a witness. Her home girl was there.

His driver was there. And Megan also claims that there is another witness. Now, one of the things, one of the sort of spinoff conversations from this was what a lot of people perceived as silence from the hip-hop community. Like no big rappers were coming out and saying, yo man, fuck Torrey Lanes. Yeah. Yo, man, fuck Tori Lanes.

Now, since a little bit of that started brewing around the time that the video came out, there have been hip-hop legend. Hip-hop legend. Bun B., who obviously is a South Texas great, Port Arthur and Houston, of course, came out and said, you know, Tory Lanes as a whole.

Fuck Tori Lanes. Yeah. that Megan, who is from Houston, which is where Bun B. Reps, he called him out directly. Since then, you know, trade of truth has come out. A bunch of people have come out on Megan's behalf. There have been others that have taken, I guess, a wait and see sort of approach to it. You know, there have been multiple rappers who said they want to hear more.

Boosie was asked by some of the roommates over at the Shade Room what he thought, and he said he ain't taking no sides, basically. He said he fucks with Tori Lanes. He fucks with Meg. He's not taking any sides. This is the side that I'm taking. Okay. I have no reason not to believe Made the Stallion.

I believe Made the Stallion. So it's fuck Tory Lanes a thousand percent. A hundred percent. Yeah, a thousand. It is, is, is Fock Tory Lanes a thousand percent. Fuck Tory Lanes. It, like, I don't know what, there are whispers from his side that he is going to say something

that in some ways either going to exonerate him or make this make sense. I don't know what that could fucking be. Exactly. She ended up with bullets in her feet. Right. So I don't know what the fuck that could be. So it's 1,000, 1 million percent fuck Torrey Lanes. And also, there can be no space after this for Tori Lanes to have any relevance in this culture.

as an artist or anything else, if, in fact, he shot her. This is where you and I, this is the type, you know, we talk about cancel culture. This is the time where you, like,

completely shut it down and you annihilate them. I don't want to hear from Tory Lane's again. I don't even need for him to be charged, convicted, and go through the system. I'm done with him because of what he's done in this situation.

If he was innocent, something already would have come out. Well, to me, to me, this is why people get canceled, though. Like, I'm serious. Exactly. Like, you cancel people for, hurting people and doing harm like this.

Like you talk about Harvey Weinstein, Bill Collins, you cancel rapists, murderers, abusers, people that have, like, you come out and you make bad jokes, you hurt people. You're adding to the harm, for sure, with your opinions. But if you're, if you're doing the harm, that's how you get canceled, then you don't come back. Absolutely. And so, you know, that's something that to me, I think, is unforgivable.

Obviously, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I think is unforgivable. Man, what the fuck you're doing? He shot her. Like, he fucking shot her. Like, he shot her. Like, why are we even have, it's so interesting to me,

why are we having discussions about what we need to hear? He's shodder in the foot. Because you have people who are not honoring it for what it is. You have people making jokes on podcast saying, I want somebody to love me that hard.

You know what I mean? Like, you're taking away, and that's a black woman talking about another black woman. You're taking away from what actually happened. You're making light of it. That's why Megan, the first video she came out with, this isn't a joke. Y'all, I had surgery. I was shot in my feet. Like this, I don't know what he aimed at. I don't know, but this, this could have taken her life. And like she said in this last one, my mother, my grandmother must have been watching over me because that's how serious this was. She was shot at multiple times.

I just, what, there's not a question in it. And I don't know why it took people so long to speak out about it. I don't know. I think she was, she was, oh, you're talking about the rappers themselves. The rappers themselves, because I don't know what you needed to hear to speak out. Did you need for her to do another IG live video? I don't need to see or hear any evidence. The evidence is the bullets and the fragments of bullets in her feet.

The evidence is that she had to have surgery. The evidence is that there were four people in the car and one of them had a gun. Like, I don't need to hear, I don't need to see anything else to speak out against it. and in support of Meg the stallion. Right. I don't know. You know, people say a lot of things, but once again,

like we talked about with Roger Goodell, when it comes down to the come down and you have to say something or stand and you're in fight or flight, like, that's when you define who you are and what you're about. And in this situation, you have got to,

in a situation where a black woman was shot, you have got to. You have got to be in the right space. spot. There's no wiggle room at all. You've got to be in the right spot here. Don't know what Torrey Lane's is going to say. There are whispers out there that he is, he is coming and there's supposed to be sometime in late September, mid-October, that he's finally going to happen. I don't know what that could possibly be. I don't know. A twin. He wasn't, like, there's absolutely nothing. Don't know what that could possibly be. But I know one thing. is if I was getting accused of having shot a woman in her foot and I didn't do it, I would be screaming my fucking head off if it was me through my representatives, anyone,

that that's not what happened. And so he's conspicuous by the absence of addressing it as well. Well, I'll tell you what, he never, I guarantee you, he and his team never expected Megan to do what she did the other day. Probably not. And that I don't even understand why either. I mean, you know, she, you know, we had the whole conversation about whether or not a snitch and whatever, shoot me, nigga.

It's not even that. It's that usually when there's a criminal investigation, people are quiet, right? Like you don't talk about it because you don't want to jeopardize the case. So his team was expecting her not to say anything. And she told it all. I bet he was going to come out and say something. And she told the truth. And that's why he's why he's.

He's going to stay silent until September October. You're going to stay silent that long. Just don't speak. Just go away. Yeah, fellas, step up. Step up. You guys, you know, the entire thing is unfortunate, but that doesn't mean there aren't any victims.

It might feel bad to, for a lot of men, for a lot of black men, especially, it's an uncomfortable feeling to come down on other black men when they've made a mistake. but that does not mean that it doesn't have to be done, especially in a situation like this when you're trying to protect a black woman. You just got to do it sometimes.

I know it's hard for people, but we have to put the safety of our sisters and the women we share our communities with first. We have to put that first. So look, before we get out of here, I want to bring something up. I have a gripe as a batch. What happened?

You're so new to our community. I hate that you've been upset. I'm already mad as a batch, as a member of batch nation, as one of these batches. You know what I'm saying? I'm a big-ass batch. I'm already upset. So I watched a commercial. I was watching NBA basketball, right?

Shout out to Luca. But during one of the commercials for the game, I saw a Bachelor commercial commercial. Wait, wait. Who would you rather see win this series, the Clippers of the Mavericks? By far, the Mavericks. It's not even close. What? By far, yeah, the Clippers, no, by far the Mavericks.

Please send them home. Okay, just curious. Go ahead. I do think the clips will win, though. But so I saw a commercial for The Bachelor. And it was a- I've been seen a commercial. It was a lady. She had a rose.

It was like, we're coming back. It's the Bachelor. The whole deal. And she was white. I've seen that. I thought you saw it. What the she was white? Man, you know this.

Come on, Batch. My fellow batch, you know what's up. What's up? Wait. Remember Claire? Remember Claire? No, I don't remember Claire. I don't because we've replaced Claire.

So it's like, it's like. Right, but we still have to see what happens with Claire. No. Equal time. If you're going to do the commercial with Claire and she out there with the, see, I don't like that type of shit. They're promoting the. show as if Claire's going to be the Bachelorette.

But she's only going to... But she's only going to be the Bachelorette for a short amount of time, right? So here's the thing. Warner Brothers, ABC, NZK, the production company, nobody has come out and said that Tasia is actually the Bachelorette. So everything that we've been operating on are rumors. There has been no official announcement from the people who run this to say it's Tasia. So what you mean is...

We're still going with the plan of Claire. No. This is so much bullshit. This is the way they do us. This is the way they do us. I'm not about to be the most problematic batch ever. I'm going to take your side. You could take my crime.

No, man, we need a tation commercial. Like, at least they could, like, you know what they could do? It doesn't have to be a full tation commercial. It could be Claire with the rose. And in the background, Tation could be like this, just kind of like, just in the background. You know what I'm saying? With, like, some bags or, like, a luggage, like some luggage in the background.

She's in the background like, yeah, you know, this chick here only last couple episodes then it's my shit. You know what if it's a continuation? Because she's kind of like dropping her stuff, right? What if it continues with Tasha picking it up? Right? We don't, we don't want no roses off the ground.

We don't want no... Before it hits the ground. Before it hits the ground. Now she got to catch the rose. She's Jerry Rice? You make it through athletic shit? As if she was passing passing the torch. I've tried I have no idea. Listen, if the rumors are true. It happens so fast. Portatia hasn't even had time to film a commercial. I'm sure they'll do her justice. And if not, you know we're going to talk about it here.

I know. We have to. Justice for Taisha, as you like to call her. Taisha. Taisha. One of our producer, Spaghetti Man, he was, he felt the, he felt the same way. I think it was about the same thing. Jackson, it was about the same thing, right? Yeah, I had the exact same thought. I can't believe you just call me Spaghetti Man. Right. Is that your name, Spaghetti Man? You shouldn't have answered. You should not have been. You're an official spaghetti man. I answered to my name. Now they all know.

You said Jackson, I answered you my name. Nah, but I slipped that spaghetti man shit in there. Hey, you guys, Jackson Safan from the ring or Spaghetti Man. That's his new nickname. All right. Rach. We are out of here. We got to get her a commercial.

So talk to whoever you got to talk to. I know you'll fight. I'll fight for Tasha. So. Of course. Yeah, we'll make it happen. All right. All warriors. Take your thing caps off. Do not stop thinking. We have some amazing stuff coming in for the mailbag on Thursday.

They've been hitting me up. There's so many things to talk about in the mailbag. Can I wait till the next podcast? But for now, make sure that you continue to learn. I'm Van Lathen. I'm Rachel Lindsay. We out.