Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Janet’s Kamala Escapade and ‘Evolution of the Black Quarterback’ With Michael Vick

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

Van and Rachel discuss Beyoncé’s exclusion from the CMAs (5:47) before reacting to the fallout from Janet Jackson’s questioning of Kamala Harris’s Blackness (25:28) and Chingy backing out of performing at a GOP event (36:19). Then NFL legend Michael Vick joins to talk about the new docuseries ‘Evolution of the Black Quarterback’ (46:07) before discussing the way Jerry Jones talks about his players and what’s between their legs (1:16:28). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Michael Vick Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Our learning is on. It is Ivan Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. I'm looking at this thing on TikTok. And it's a tooth. I don't, first of all, I'm not on TikTok, but I am.

And I see this tongue cleaner. It's like a water pick for your tongue. Have you seen this? No. Are you against cleaning your? your tongue? You don't do it? No, but I'm used to, like, people talking about a tongue scraper, maybe just brushing your tongue. What's the best way to clean your tongue? Is the question?

Probably a scraper. A scraper? So you don't think that the little water pick thing will work? I thought that was for, like, flossing. I don't... I use the water pick for flossing. Yeah, I don't know how it works for the tongue. Look at your hair. Yeah, you know, I had to a little shoot, put the wig back on. Put it back on. Well, how do they get the part right? It's like, what do you mean? It looks exactly like your skin. Is there makeup on the part?

There's a little makeup on the part. There's a little. What? Yeah, that's what they do. So they put a little makeup on the part. I did a shoot on Thursday and I put it on and I was like, you know, I'm just going to keep it for a little second. It's been a long time since I've done the long hair. Did, um, so, so they put the wig on.

Mm-hmm. And then they get some. some makeup and they put it on the, they patterned because the making sure it matches the skin. It's interesting. When I did see it in, you know, they put the makeup on and the lady didn't even have to match the makeup. She just looked at she eyeballed it. She just knew.

She was professional. I would hope so. And then at first day, this hat was making me really sweaty and I kept wiping the sweat. So now you feel, that's kind of how it is to have a wig on. It makes you hotter. It makes you hotter? Yeah. Yeah.

Are you allowed to talk about who does your wigs? I don't try to pretend like it's my hair, so I do. But there are a lot of people who they're not allowed to, they don't talk about it. I used to know a lady who did wigs and there were all of these NDAs with the people. Oh, like professional people. Yeah. They want people to know that they had the wigs on. Like, here's the thing, guys.

We know. We know when you're wearing a wig. Whig recognizes wig. Whig recognizes wig. What do I say? So we know. If I, I'm doing another lay 10 next week. Top 10 wigs?

I don't want to do top 10 wigs because I don't feel like I have... I want you to. We could do that. But like, maybe we, maybe you can do, I don't know, I don't feel like I have the authority to do top 10 wigs. Okay. But who has the best wig game? Beyonce. It's Beyonce.

Hands down Beyonce. I mean, right now she's wearing her hair, even though people try to act, say it's not, it's her hair. because she's promoting her hairline. But like when she's performing, the way she has to dance and move her head around and the wind blowing, Beyonce's wigs are the best.

Beyonce is about to be up. She's already up. By the time it's over, Beyonce's going to have $3 or $4 billion. Because this next couple of decades, she's only 42 or 43 years old, allegedly.

But this next couple of decades... She went down in age. What do you mean? She's like... 45, right? What are you talking about? Beyonce. She was born in 1981 officially.

So 43. Yeah. Okay. So this next couple of decades, Beyonce is going to have such a windfall of money from the amount of things that she can sell and products she can put out there. I'm talking about she's going to eclipse so many other people. So Ivy Park, I think she's learning lessons.

Ivy Park House of Daryon didn't really work. However, she's going into places now where she has more of a direct... Like what? The liquor. And then... You think the liquor's going to pop? I think the liquor's going to work, man. I think people are going to want to...

It's called Sir Davis. I think the liquor... I think people are going to want to drink Beyonce. Like drinking Sir David is like you're drinking with Beyonce. I think it's going to work. I don't know. It's... I like that people are venturing into.

business, right? Like, I'm a big finty girl, right? When I do my makeup, it's pretty much all finty. This perfume I wear finty. Like, I'm really into it. I don't know. There's something, it works for Rihanna. Like Rihanna has created an enterprise over there. It just hasn't hit the same because Beyonce has the perfume. She's got the hair products. It's not landing like that. Sacred. I mean, people love sacred. It's going to. The hair and the liquor, I'm telling you, over the next couple of decades into her 40s, into her 50s, Beyonce is going to be, she's going to be an unparalleled mogul

because I think that she's finally hit the spot where the aloofness, the celebrity, and the power can be leveraged into branding. Yeah, it's weird when I see like the events for Sacred and Beyonce's taking pictures with people. I'm like, but she's Beyonce. I feel like she's above it. Above what?

It's just weird to see her like Because before I just feel like you couldn't get close to her Now she's at events with influencers Taking pictures promoting her products It's just different I get the bread I know no I know The playoffs are here

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Let's go. You want to talk about it? Okay, so look, you guys, this is interesting. Beyonce not nominated for any CMAs. She got no nominations. Dolly Parton. Pardon? Pardon. Parton.

Pardon. That's how you know a nigga grew up around criminals. Pardon? Pardon? Yeah. My uncles needed some of them Dolly pardons. We didn't get none of them dolly pardons. You know what I'm saying?

15 years. The Lathen slash Ellis family never met a judge that liked us. Never. We never got any. You never were shown any mercy. No, we all in the courtroom. You know, we're waiting for the shit. to come down. He's like, okay, cool. We know he did it. Okay. We wanted to get better.

We know he did it. So maybe the judge did too. Let's just hope we get, maximum's 15. Let's hope we get eight, nine. You know what I'm saying? Let's get 30 years. What the fuck? Now we've got to pack lunches and ride up to St. Francisville. Anyway, Dolly Parton basically backed the CMAs She was all over Beyonce's album It was kind of an ambassador on that album Easing Beyonce's

Transition into country music for the album Which was fantastic by the way I love the music. I love so much You know it had a hold on me But Donnie If you can put in here she says I don't think it's a matter of shutting out

like doing that on purpose. I think it was more of what the country charts and the country artists were doing that do that all the time, not just a specialty album. It was a wonderful album she can be very, very proud of, and I think everybody in country music welcomed her and thought that that was good.

Cabo Carter was released on March 289th. It spent four weeks at number one on the country album's charts, and Beyonce was the first black woman. To top that chart, now you would think that an album that spent four weeks, atop the country album's charts would garner some type of nomination

or recognition from the CMAs. It did not get that. Dali says it's not about shutting out Beyonce, quote, quote, hint, hint. It's not about race. It's not about culture. It is about the fact that awarding a specialty album is

a little bit disrespectful to the country artists who are in the genre all the time. Okay. The reason I can't get a hold of that, it's like just like you said, what her album did. Texas Hold'em was among the most added songs in the country market when it first debuted. Yes, Beyonce is new to the genre,

but Beyonce put out a country album. She used country artist on there. To say it's a specialty album is unfair when Post Malone is not country. And he got nominated for single of the year with his song for Morgan Wallen. Why doesn't Beyonce have any songs that were nominated as well?

You could one could argue that Post Malone is a, that's a specialty as well. There is an answer to that. Tell me. This is what I've heard. By the way, I'm not saying that Beyonce should. Song of the year as well, by the way. I'm not saying that.

I'm not saying that. But there's an answer to that question. This apparently is the answer to that question. Beyonce never went to Nashville. Yeah. And she never endeared herself with the country community down there in Nashville and went around and did the whole Nashville thing.

And I heard they were asking her. They wanted her to. Yeah, yeah. Apparently Post Malone did. Post Malone made it up, of course. Post Malone made it a point to go down there, move to Nashville for whatever time that he did and touch the roots. He immersed himself. Immersed himself into the country culture.

And that apparently went very far as to how seriously people take him as a country artist. And, you know, some of those songs they have Morgan Wayland, the inward guy, right? Wallet, N-Ward dude, nigger, nigger, nigger, a nigger, a-nigger, country guy. Nigger. He should, he should, I like, he's bounced back from the whole nigger situation. Oh, yeah, you know, he's doing songs

with a little dirk, money bag, yo. Why you got to bring them up? I'm just saying, he bounced back. He put rappers on his shit. You, you, you, why? I'm lying? That's the truth. You, you're just throwing them two black men

under the bus for no reason. Oh, don't be like the people. It the song, I like the song that Moneybag yo is. But I'm just saying, you said he bounced back. He bounced back with black rappers. Black male rappers. See what I'm saying? I want to bring, this is what I want to do here on higher learning.

I want to bring a psychiatrist on. Oh, please. My issues as well. Get to the basis of our specific issues. I don't have issues. I want. Not those issues. I do have issues, but not with that.

I want. the Reddit, the most fair people to us in the world, to tell us what they would want a psychologist to come on here and talk to us about. What are our biggest issues that we need to deal with here on higher learning? Okay. That could be fun podcast. It's a fun podcast. We're going to bring somebody in here and we're going to get to the root issue of it, all right? I'm not going to choose a psychologist. If you guys have any recommendations, we should do it. We're going to get to the root issue. Okay, so that is the explanation

to the post Malone thing that I've been given. Yes. I did know that people wanted her to perform at certain things to which she said no. I don't think Beyonce did this for recognition. From this awards

CMA, I think that she did it for the very reasons that she explains in the music and the album. You know, like letting people know, we've been doing this thing. We've been pushed out of this thing. She did it. She uplifted other country music, black country music artists that had been in the game for a long time in a way that only, really, she could. This past stagecoach, everybody who was on her album pretty much, I think except for two of the women, performed at stagecoach.

This year they announced stagecoach, only one. Shiboozy. Only one. I mean, they could be added later, but as of now, none of them are back. So Willie, Tanner, Brittany Spencer. Brittany Spencer. Beyonce gave them this. They all had said.

First of all, let me say this. She didn't give it, yes. Let me say, Beyonce gave them. All those people, Tanner Adele, Brittany. Spencer. Willie Jones. Those people are fantastic artists. Yeah.

Beyonce didn't make their career. Right. She helped shine some light upon them, and I'm glad that people are paying attention to them. But those people have been grinding. being in country music and doing their thing for a long time. Beyonce didn't make their careers. But it's interesting that they won't be back at stagecoach this year, at least as of now.

That is very interesting. Yeah. Happy birthday to Willie Jones. Happy birthday to Willie Jones, man. Treeport, right? Treeport. Treeport. One of the worst towns in America.

Shout out to Willie. Wow. Well, 50 cents doing some things down there, bringing a lot to the city. 50's doing a lot in Shreveport. Yeah. You know, 50, I know 50, I know 50. I know 50 can be on either side of whatever. Sometimes 50 is a little offensive to people, whatever.

But as far as the way 50 is moving in the business space, film space, whatever, what he's doing for Shreveport, what he's doing for Louisiana, you have got to, got to salute that. When it's time to pull 50 in and be like, hey, fifth, you're going a little too crazy, man, lead this loan, whatever, whatever. Got to be able to do that. But on the business side and the culture side, as far as what's going on in Shreveport, that's all pretty impressive. Shreveport itself, shout out to Louisiana. Louisiana, love Louisiana, love my people from Louisiana. Nah, not fucking with Shreveport. Never having life, never.

My people are from outside of Shreveport, so. Makes a lot of sense. Shut up. Makes a lot of sense, man. That bland-ass gumbo up there. So, but this is what I would say. Beyonce not getting nominated is one thing. Shibuzi is nominated for two different country music awards.

Best New Artist and Single of the Year. He has to win. All right. And I'm going to be honest with you. I'm going to be a hypocrite right here. Hypocrite. Remember when we had the Angela Bassett conversation and I was like, you don't know who else was nominated with Angela Bassett?

Oh, yes, you did say that. Normally for me, I would say that you'd have to know who else was nominated in these categories in order to say that one person should win. Okay. I do not know who else is nominated in these categories. But I will say that this is an outlier because that song. Sure. It's so fucking massive.

Yeah. Like, I had a whole two-week love affair with the song to where I had to, I had to stop. Really? Oh, my God. That's a hard record, bro. That record right there. It's got to be single of the year. That record is ridiculous, man.

And, you know, he put nothing but white people in the video. That's his right. Fly in the milk bowl. That's his flying the milk bowl, Willie Jones. Willie, drop the disc track. You know you want to do it with it. Willie, drop the country disc track. I'm telling you, if Willie drops the disc track,

if Willie don't do that. If Willie drops the disc track, Michael Rubin going to be like, see what I told me. But like Willie dropped the disc track. But I'm saying that song is every time I look at the top ten, because you know, you're looking at the top ten to see where not like us is and all that stuff is, people are posting, oh, it's still up there.

Shibuzzi, a bar song. Shibuzi a bar song. Shibuzi a bar song. Shibuzi a bar song. Shibuze a bar song. Seven weeks. at number one. Yeah.

He rightfully deserves it. It's crazy. And normally when something is seven, you wouldn't say that it was huge. You'd say that it's nice size. But this particular situation right here, seven weeks, that's a big number.

Yeah. That's a big number. You missed that joke, by the way. Yeah, I did. I didn't catch one. You're so pure. I think I tuned out for a second. You're so,

am I? Yeah, you're so pure. You're so pure. That's the, That's another thing when I have the psychologist talk about. Well, we know how I grew up. At the same time, I want to say something,

the people wanted to hear you read the Mark Robinson unedited. They liked the edited version is what I got. They liked the edited version, but they wanted to hear, we got to do Rachel after dark. I don't want to. We have to do Rachel after dark.

The people wanted to hear it. I don't want to do it. I said it. I read it. I played along. You did. Some of y'all niggas is perverts, though. I'm gonna tell you straight up.

Why? Because some of these niggas, some people hit me up. Like, yo, man, you think I could get the unedited Rachel reading? I'm like. See, that's why we ain't doing it. Yeah, that's why we bleak it. Thank you, Doddy. Even Donnie have to hop off for that.

I'm like, you think I'm bullshit? No, I don't. Man, you think I could get the unedited Rachel? I'm like, nigga, get the fuck off my phone. What's like, what's you on right now? Like, what? Like, you freak, dog. Oh, idiot.

So this is why I would say about the Beyonce thing, just to wrap this up real quick. Maybe we should start doing racist or not. This is not racist to me. I don't know about to you. No, I don't think it's racist. Do you think it's culturally exclusive? Yes.

I think that... Excluding her, shall I say? Yeah, like, I get you have to play politics or whatever. That's with pretty much every award show. You have to play the game. I get that she didn't do that. But it doesn't make sense. Okay, you don't give her.

album of the year. Doesn't make sense that with the records that she broke and it was a country album, at least maybe some songs weren't, but some songs absolutely were. It doesn't make sense that she didn't get one nomination. Let's do a thought experience.

Taylor Swift decides, hey, she pulls a Miley Cyrus 2012. Remember what Miley was... Oh, we remember. Remember Miley? The twerking. What Miley was a nigger for five signals. I want to do a...

separate podcast called nigger phases. Where I talk about the nigger phases that everybody had when they went into these nigger phases, when they came out of them, and like what was going on, you know? Obama era was good for nigger phases. Trump era not as many nigger phases. No. It's different. Things got divided and people chose up, okay?

Post Malone came out during the nigger phase. He absolutely did. And he had it for a long time. And then he was like, I don't even like that music. Justin Bieber, huge nigger phase. Myla Syrus, nigger phase Nigger phase is, they're fun to me because I was telling the people

even when I was at TMZ, I'm like, y'all, it's not going to last some Patty Hurst bullshit, it's not going to last. Yeah, Patty Hurst. It's like, it's not going to last. It's like, I'm telling you, y'all, don't even get mad at her. I know y'all don't like her. She's with rappers. Ooh, no, you guys, she's going to be back

with whomever soon. Anyway, Katie Perry. Small nigger face. A little bit, yeah. A little bit of a nigger face. She kind of, Jim Class heroes guys, she almost like started off with the nigger face. She didn't.

Small nigger face. Madonna? Later in life. Did she? Remember when she was like kissing Drake on stage? I feel like there was a little bit. She got the BBL. It's late, late.

Maybe. Maybe I could see that. She was changing up her look. Yes. That's a good one. See, we could argue that. J-Lo, nigger phase. For sure.

They shot her right out that bitch. For sure. Whoa. Too much of the streets, guys. Okay. Christine Aguilera. Nigger face. Nigger face.

Then she did a whole album with DJ premiere. Justin Cimberlake. Oh my God. Nigger face. Like, nigger faces. Then they come out of the nigger face. They don't stay in the nigger phase. Like, there's so many different ones we could talk about people that had this little nigger phase.

And then they're like, nah, it's this life not for me. Justin Bieber ruined activists. ruin activists. Is this niggas still back home in Louisiana that want to drink lean, that they're mad at Justin Bieber. Why? Because activist was the, it was the codeine or the permittazine or whatever. It was the brand of choice, the pharmaceutical brand of choice, right?

They loved it. And, you know, Justin, it was kind of under the radar. Everybody was drinking lean. They still drinking it, but it was kind of under the radar. And Justin Bieber started drinking lean, and he's there. He got the activist and all of that stuff. And then it became a national problem. And so they went after it and now niggas couldn't have it anymore.

I didn't realize that. Because Justin Bieber was hanging out of Rick Ross. Name a white person who hasn't come out of the face. Machine Gun Kelly. Oh, no, he did. He did. He definitely did. He definitely did.

He did a whole punk rock album. Somebody who hasn't come out of the face. There's one that comes to mine. Oh, my God. This is a fun game. Give me a hit. South. Okay.

From the South. Jelly Roll had a nigga phase too, by the way. Yeah, I know. Daily Roe started off hypnotized minds. I fuck with Jelly Row. And he's like insanely nice. I don't know why I want Jelly Row to do well, man. I don't even know music.

Jelly Rolls nominated quite a bit. Good. Quite a bit. I want Jelly Roe to win. I don't even know him, never met him, whatever. I don't even know that much of the music. I just see him and I'm like, that's a good old boy I want to win right there. going to be a stage coach headlining.

You should go. From the south. What state? Texas. Paul Wall. Yep. That's not a phase, though. That's who he is.

It's not a phase, man. I said there's one. That's who he is. There's not a phase. No, I agree. You would want to say that you have to invite Paul Wall to the cookout, but the problem is when you get to the cookout, he already going to be there.

It's his cooking. I mean, yeah. It's like when you invite, like Paul Wall, like you say, hey, man. Man, we got to invite Paul Wall to the cook. I know you don't. Like when you get there, Paul Walker be like, what's up?

And you're going to be like, this is, nah, you're good. You know what I'm saying? Despite all of this, what I would say, not racist. Not racist in this case.

It's not racist. Not racist to me in the case of Beyonce. But it's something. What I was saying is that if Taylor Swift decided right now that she was going to put out a rap album, she put out a rap album, the album would be huge. we'll fuck with the, even if the album was big,

Taylor Swift was rapping for real. If she went and swept all the BET Hip-Up Awards, all the grant, we would be fucking pissed off. We would say, hey, Taylor Swift decided she wanted to make one rap album for whatever reason, and now she is the biggest rap act out there, the most decorated rap act out there. We would be mad about it. So I think the country people saying Beyonce's,

Biance was the breaking news. LSU star Harold Perkins Out for the season with TORN ACL. Damn. We did that yesterday. But, Perk, get better, man. Get better, Perk. Don't come back either.

Don't come back. Get better. Rehab. Go to the drive. Go get your money younger. Can I say something? Go for it. It's not shocking that Beyonce

didn't get a CMA nomination. If Taylor Swift put out a rap album, I guarantee you the BET Awards will give her one nomination. You think so? Think of the controversy with What is his name? I feel like he's just completely falling off.

What's that white boy's name? You're talking about? Jack Carlo. Oh, shit. You can't do that, don't know. No, no, no. And Lil Nasex didn't get nominated. No, no, no, no.

And Lil Nas X didn't get nominated. And he had an amazing album. But Jack Carlo did. I think that if Taylor broke records in rap, I think that they would give her, like, single of the year. or new artists. So that comparison has deeper cultural issues to it.

I know. I know it does. That's why I'm saying that. A little Naz X. And so does Beyonce not getting nominated has deeper cultural issues. I think there's some homophobia involved in Little NazX, not getting nominated. Of course. Respected by the BET T Wars like he should. Also by the BET Hip Hop Awards like he should.

I think there's something. But Jack Harlow also has the stamp of canon and drama. I'm not saying that. Rapper, rapper. My point is. is because I think that there's like a grace or a deference sometimes that we as a community give to white people, I would not be shocked if her song did well,

she would at least get single of the year, song of the year. A nomination. I didn't say she'd win. Maybe new artist. Oh, yeah. A nomination, I'm not saying winning. And for the same reasons that Beyonce wasn't nominated. I see your point.

You think they would make a... They make it a point to nominate her to say, hey, we got Taylor Swift. Maybe try to get out to the awards, too. Of course. Okay. I want y'all to keep the same energy on this next topic. You have to. What is the topic?

Janet Jackson. Okay. Janet Jackson. It's a tough week for the Jackson's. Very tough. Okay. Remember why I told y'all niggas. Y'all niggas ain't no Tito Jackson.

You're not no Tito Jackson. Okay. Like, stop. Like, y'all, man. Be realistic, man. You didn't hold that guitar. You wouldn't up there with them. You ain't no Tito Jackson.

Jacks had an interview with The Guardian, where she expressed uncertainty about the information she'd been told about Kamala Harris's racial background. Racial, racial, racial, racial, black background. There's some excerpts, should I say. I wonder where she stands on the fourth coming election. After all, I say America could be on the verge of voting in its first black female president, Kamala Harris.

That's coming from the journalist. Well, you know what they supposedly said? She said, she asked me, she's not black. That's what I heard. That she's Indian. She looks at me expectantly, perhaps assuming that I have Indian heritage. Well, she's both, I offer.

Her father's white. That's what I was told. I mean, I haven't watched the news in a few days. She calls. I was told that they discovered her father was white. Rets for Janet Jackson tell variety that. So before I get to that, Janet said that.

There was a firestorm on Twitter, right? and after that there was an apology that came out. This apology was from Janet's people. Janet was saying whatever, whatever. I didn't know this. I was misinformed all of this. So this apology was unauthorized. It was made by a man named Moe El Mazury,

who apparently inaccurately claimed to be Janet's manager. Janet then came back and claimed this up, saying, And I would like to clarify, oh, excuse me, this is the apology. This is from Mo. This is from Mo. Janet would like to clarify our recent comments. She recognizes that her statements regarding Vice President Kamala Harris' racial identity.

We're based on misinformation. Jenna respects heritage, dual heritage, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The whole thing, she's cleaning it up. Apparently, that was not authorized. Janet Jackson's manager is her brother, Randy Jackson. And they said, this guy didn't have the right to say this. Randy Jackson is our manager. and then they fired this nigga.

They said, I no longer work for her. I was fired by Janet and Randy after attempts to improve her image in front of public opinion and her fans. This is something I do not deserve. He said, all my support to Vice President Harris. So not only did Janet say this stuff to this guardian reporter,

she stood on it, and then after she stood on it, she fired the person that tried to make it seem like she thought something different. Yeah, she said, don't speak for me. Don't speak on that. That's not what I said. I said what I said. That's what my first thought when I saw this, where is Janet Jackson getting her news from?

What is she reading? What is she watching? Who is she talking to? To be so confused and wrong on the facts surrounding Connell Harris, which is that she is Indian. She is black. She does not have a white father. Janet said, I haven't watched the news in a few days. What are you watching? I just, I don't really have a whole lot to say about this other than, as I said at the beginning, it's a tough week for the Jackson's. And it's alarming to me that Janet not only said it, she doubled down on it and hasn't offered any type of,

despite the fact that she has now been told exactly who Kamala Harris is and what she represents, she's still like, no. Are they okay over there? I'm not sure. It seems as if she's getting this from Randy Jackson. How are you putting that together? That's what everyone said.

Randy Jackson was in a picture with RFK Jr. He's a Donald Trump supporter. He seems like he's talking to Randy about politics and all that stuff. Here's the thing, no. We had a conversation this past Friday about the difference between protecting someone and infantilizing them. I say you protect somebody, not because they're weak. but you protect somebody because you value them right. Sure.

Okay. We are infantilizing Janet Jackson by not holding her accountable for the statements that she made. We're doing this because we love Janet Jackson. I saw people on Twitter blaming the reporter from the Guardian for asking Janet Jackson this question. You guys do not do that when one of these rappers or like when a rapper is asked about Black Lives Matter, be it young thug, be it Little Wayne, be it whomever. And they go, man, I don't care nothing about that. I want to make some music, man. Shout it to these hoes.

I love these hoes. No, no, we never asked a question. Why are you asking a rapper about Black Lives Matter, right? We never have that conversation. We don't do that. When someone has asked about something that happened to one of these guys, it's Iraqi no matter, whatever, we don't ever go. Why are we having a political conversation with somebody who's apolitical,

whatever? We never do that. We expect these people to know these things that are important to them and have a political opinion on these things. Jan Jackson is the same way. As a matter of fact, she's much older than a lot of these other people. It's been around a lot longer, seen a lot more. For her to just be drifting through the world

and not have any sort of idea of what's happening with this situation, but then offer an opinion that is completely unethical. educated and completely wrong and say that she hasn't watched the news in a couple of days as if Kamala Harris could be black on Monday or white on Monday or Indian on Monday and then black on Thursday or Friday. It's weird. And some of the time when we talk about the identity politics within our own culture, it seems like people want to protect Janet Jackson, but put everybody else up on a spit and

roast them when they say something weird or they say something bad and we're not holding people to the same standard. Janet Jackson is a icon. She is an amazing person in terms of what she's been able to accomplish in her career but we don't know her

politics and we've never known her politics. No, which is why I'm shocked she even took that question. And so my thing is if it's time to kick somebody's ass for repeating tropes about the vice president saying things that are untrue. Janet deserves to get her ass kicked as much as

anybody else. Yeah. I'm actually shocked that they're letting this linger for as long as it is. I don't know if she really does believe it or because Randy's her manager and he's... She said it. Or is she... Okay, now I sound like I'm protesting right. I'm not. I'm not. I know she said it, but like is she just repeating what Randy's telling her to? Like it doesn't seem like there's any in-depth thought or analysis with it. It just sounds like she heard it and she's repeating it. I don't know.

It's, it was even weird to even see the headline because I'm like, have the Jackson's ever really touched on politics or anything like that? I didn't know about Randy. I didn't know that Randy's just out there like that. So clearly she is getting this from Randy. But the fact that they're allowing this narrative to linger, excuse me, linger to me is the weird part. Now, I did see something where they said, you know, we're still

grieving over the death of Tito. So they kind of, I saw that somewhere. Did you see that? No, I didn't. But I don't know. I'm not sure. I think that this interview took place prior to that. I think it did too.

But I mean, in regards to the response. Coming out and saying something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's weird that they have not addressed it. Because it's not like she said, hey, I don't agree with Kamala Harris's politics. She said, just outright lies. She's not black. I heard her father was white.

Kamala Harris's father is not white. This guy is, this guy is Jamaican. A black Jamaican guy. You know what's, can I say something slightly? It's interesting though that when Kamala Harris is talking about her upbringing and stuff. Yeah, she, yeah. It's very heavy on her relationship with her mother. I know.

And there's a lot of times like not a lot of mention of her father and all of that stuff. I've thought about that because I actually, I don't know if it was the DNC, I think it was a DNC, I was like, we know her mother has passed away and I was like, is her father still alive? He is. But I wonder what the relationship was. It must not be. I mean, I know her parents divorced and her dad was successful, but

I'm like, he didn't seem to be there. He doesn't seem to be around. They don't seem, I don't know if his health is okay, but yeah, I thought I've had the exact same thought as you. That's crazy. Janet. I just thought about a joke. I'm not going to say it, though.

Janet, got to give Janet I'm telling you there's somebody right now who is missing out of an opportunity here. Who? Justin Timberlake. Justin, if I was advising Justin right now, Justin, you got to get in there, Justin. And do what?

This is Justin's chance. Justin is down. Justin is down right now. If I'm Justin, I come back with the petty shit. If I'm Justin right now, I post, I endorse Kamala Harris. Straight up, I endorse Kamala Harris and say, I am so excited

to support a black woman for president of the United States of America. Look, I don't have no car keys right now. I am not driving. I'm okay. But I'm clear-headed and I'm supporting Kamala Harris right now. But he's got to go deeper.

He's got to be like, It's so beautiful to see her with her upbringing of a mother and father who immigrated to this country. An Indian mother, a black father. They built, you know, like that's how he has to do it. Justin got to do it. Justin, if you don't do that, you pussy. I'm serious. Justin has got to do it.

Justin has to come out and really take advantage right now. Justin fucked up back in the day. But Janet has shown no cultural weakness. Janet's been on cold basically just by being Janet Jackson. Yeah. Justin can get back in there right now. Justin take advantage, but he's not going to do it because he played a game. He's two pussy.

Right now I would do it. Justin double down on it. I know you can hear me, bro. It'll be a smart move. Chingy got his ass kicked. Oh, that's a laugh. So Chingy, which, who by the way, what's the best Chingy record? I mean, I would have to say right there.

I know that's the biggest one. But I got to say shout-outs to another person. I'm going to go ahead and give an award right now. And it's hard to give awards like this because you never know. You never know. Every time I do this, it turns out that somebody had like five people trapped in a dungeon in 1997. Jesus. I'm going to give an award right now.

this award is for most solid nigger in the industry. And if I'm wrong about this guy, don't ever, ever listen to what I say right now, ever again. Jason Weaver. Oh, yeah, you do love yourself some Jason Weaver. I'm giving an award right now. Most solid nigger in the industry. I used to have such a crush on Jason Weaver.

For real? I think Jay Weave's single, and he's only one call away. I said I used to have such a crush on Justin. Jason Weaver. So that's the best Chingy song. One Call Away, Chingy feature and Justin Wee. Jay Weave is how it's credited. That's the best one.

Most solid God, him and probably Kenny Hamilton, you know what I'm saying? We do love Kenny Hamilton on this podcast. We love Kenny Hamilton. There are some people that have had, you know, whatever. But we love Kenny Hamilton, but Jay Wee, most solemn one. Forget about that. Chingi was supposed to perform at the Red, White, and Rock concert in Nashville. It's an event to support.

LGBTQ conservatives set for September 29th. And it's like, it's up there with kid rock as Donald Trump Jr. And they'm going to be there. So everybody kicked. It's quite a lineup. Do you have the lineup list? Wait, let me keep going. I'm going.

I'm going to find it for you. So Chingy was a. he was getting his ass kick for performing at this. And this is what he said at first. He was like, my job is to perform. And I get paid to perform. Not Carr, C-A-U-R, about politics. Now, y'all find something else to do with your time.

So I'm talking about talk that shit, Kinkin-Chingy. Then they kicked Chingy's ass enough. The bullying worked. He dropped out. You know what? Just because I don't want to be in the middle of this mess, I have declined performing and no, I'm not a true support.

But how does this happen? You're a supporter of anybody else but Chingi. Lur, you have it. How did they find, like, how? How did this happen? Does somebody know, somebody in the campaign know Chingi? How did they know he be down for this? Did they put out a bunch of ass?

And Chingi's the only one who called back? I don't know. I'm looking at the concert flyer. Red, white, and rock. Is it in Nashville, Tennessee. Chingi is the first person listed on the flyer next to Donald Trump Jr. And Kimberly Gilfoyle. Then it has a bunch of people that I've never heard of.

I don't know if all these people are artists, but Chris DeStefano? I know, Chris. I know who. I know who. I know who. I know who. He's a comedian. He's a comedian.

He's a comedian. He's a comedian. Jimmy Levy. Levi. Levi. Craig Campbell. Jesse Keith Whitley. Those look like the performers in Chingi.

Chingi's headline. Ching is the biggest picture on the flyer. Let me tell you how they do this. I wonder how much money he got offered. Probably about a quarter million or something like that. Let me tell you. How they do this. This is literally the playbook right here.

When they are going to book a black act at a place like that, there is a way that they go about doing it. The people that get caught up and stuff like that are people who have high name recognition in culture, meaning they've had big hits. They've had number ones. Like, you know who they are. You know who their names are enough for you.

you to care about what they would do. But then at the same time, they're normally in the doldrums of their career. So these are people who have high name recognition. They're not going to get a mid-tier artist. They're not going to put no disrespect to him. They're not going to put Lil Zane on there because people really wouldn't care if Lil Zane was on there, right?

Lil Zane had a nice little run, sounded like Pock, but they're not going to put Lil Zane on there. We know Lil Zane, but we're not going to care what he really does. Chingi had right there. Chingi had one call away. Chingi was a big rap star. However, he's somebody right now that could probably, not count his money, use 200, 100,000, whatever.

So their deal is to have somebody with high name recognition, but somebody who they think they can get to perform there. And when they do that, they put them up there and go, hey, this must be inclusive because we have somebody that y'all know and love, Chingi on there. Okay, so what I don't understand is there are plenty of black artist who do support Trump publicly. Why would

you not go after one of them? Because it's too, because it doesn't do anything for you. But Chingy does? It doesn't do anything for you to have, uh, not this and Chingy, Chingy did his fucking thing. Yeah, but I'm just saying like a Kodak black or maybe a low wing.

Kodak mad at them. Kodak did a Kodak is like I say something about Kodak black. Man look. Nobody really takes Kodak Black seriously in his opinion on politics because no one really thinks that Kodak Black knows

what he's talking about, right? Kodak Black is watching right now his party spread harmful, hateful, divisive and disgusting narratives about his people,

Haitian people, proud Haitian man. I saw a clip of Kodak Black at a concert asking what's going on with Donald Trump, what's going on with J.D. Vance and the stuff that they're saying about Haitian people. Don't do that. You know what's going on. Of course he does.

You know what they're saying. You know what they're doing. The people that you support, you can give a fuck when they was taught when it was about black Americans and all that other stuff they were keeping their foot on. They're right away saying right now that Haitian migrants that are in Springfield, Illinois, legally, are eating people's cats. They are making them out to be savages and subhuman. beasts. Either you care or you don't. Now, if you tell me right now that you care more about Donald Trump, then you do about the way Donald Trump is putting the people that are your mothers and sisters and brothers at risk, then you're telling me you're not a serious man who cares

about your people. And that's the bottom line. You have more loyalty to him than you do love for your own people. Kodak Black. So that's the whole thing with that. I'm looking up right now where he's, to your point, he's asking the audience questions. Yeah. But that's really all he does. He just asks a bunch of questions. There's nothing to ask.

Trump said what he said? Of course he did. And then he says, I've never seen a Haitian, and I'm paraphrasing here, eat a cat. Y'all, and he's like, when y'all show me Haitian eating a cat,

then I'll say that shit. So he says that that's not true. Oh, that's bullshit, though. That's weak on Kodak Black Part. Of course. Trump said, what the fuck? He said. It's all weak.

He said, what he said. Jay Vance said what he said. They are not backing down from it. They are putting that community at risk there. They're putting the Haitian community people everywhere. There was a whole group of Haitians in Florida who did a big deal. Did I see Kodak Black out there?

What is the deal with Donald Trump's nuts that make all of these people? I agree. Turn on who they are and what they are to stand next to somebody who don't give a fuck about you. He further says after knowing the whole thing about eating pets and the way that he's talking about Haitians in such a disparaging way. He goes on to say on stage, I ain't with that Kamala Harris shit either. Still doubling down on Trump.

That is why, to my point, why not get a Kodak black? Why go after a Chingi? Why not go after one of these rappers or artists who is outright supported you? That's what doesn't make any sense to me. And what I will say to Chingi is, remember Chrisette, Michelle? I'll tell you something about Chrisette Michelle fucked up

and that's true but the culture was way too hard on Chrisette Michelle I agree it was so she was the first yeah

Chrisette Michelle shouldn't have done that especially when things were so fresh but people were way too hard on Chrisette Michelle yeah it was because she was the first

yeah she did it now but yeah I'll remember Chrisette Michelle very talented very beautiful voice beautiful voice

the whole nine we were reeling from the decision that America made in 2016 and everybody was looking to try to see who would keep it real and we were choosing up and her people or herself or whomever Chrisette Michelle made a terrible decision to perform at the inauguration or whatever but the price that was paid is way too big way too big for Chrisette, Michelle, if you ask me. Way too big.

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hosted by a man who really only has one name, Vic. Vic is his name. We didn't even say to Michael. It was, man, y'all see Vic. He fucked over the Saints again. I can't believe I'm talking to him right now. We'll kill the Saints every single time. Michael Vic is the host.

We see the world of the black quarterback through Michael Vick's Vicks. And he is joining us today on Higher Learning. My brother, how are you doing, man? I'm doing great, man. How y'all doing? Thanks for having No, no problem Doing well, doing well

So look There's so many questions I want to ask you But the first question Actually has to do With the documentary The Black quarterback Right

You're going to take us Through the evolution Of the position Overcoming social And racial stereotypes And stigmas To really succeed in the NFL What do you feel

Like the black quarterback Is right now? You see so many brothers out there doing their things so many brothers winning, winning Super Bowls, winning MVP's, has the black quarterback won the war against racism and stereotypes in the NFL? Yeah, well, I think, you know, we got to give credit to a lot of different people, a lot of different institutions, particularly the NFL,

for allowing us to have the opportunity, for overcoming those, allowing us to overcome those barriers, not seeing color when it comes to playing quarterback in the 2000s. And if there ever was a thing in the 90s and in the 80s and the 70s and the 60s, we do know it was great quarterbacks in those times that never really got a shot, whether it was because of, you know, public perception and the pressure coming from the outside world or if it was within the organization. Who knows?

We know now that it don't matter what color you are, black, white, and different. You can get drafted number one on draft day. You can be black and get drafted number one, and it's a normal thing. Nobody's going to say, yo, bro, another black quarterback went number one. Nah, we haven't been there and done that. So I get the NFL a lot of credit for helping to break barriers for taking the step, you know, I'm saying, and allowing us to be us, you know what I'm saying, allowing us to have equal opportunities. and without the owners and general managers,

green light and us to be in that position to be the leaders of their football team, we don't get these opportunities. So change came from the top down, man, and the integrity of the league is that is highest right now. You've talked about this being a dream project for you. Can you talk a little bit about the importance of this and then what it means to a new generation

is they're seeing, may not know about the evolution of the black quarterback. Yeah. From the time I got done, drafted, man. It was a lot of hardships. You know, I was told her that, you know, my style wasn't sustainable that I needed to be a pocket passer. In 2005, a Sports Illustrator article came out. I was on the cover, and the title was, I am a quarterback. I was fighting because they were, you know, the media, whoever is funny, I'm part of the media now, so I know where the sources was coming from, was saying that my style wasn't sustainable.

I get hurt. You got to be a pocket passer. It's just not going to work. I fought hard and I stuck to my guns to be a dual threat, to be myself. And not knowing that that was going to influence another, the next generation of quarterbacks and Lamar Jackson's, the RG3s, the Cam Newton's, I fought hard for that, man. and, you know, I didn't change my style of play, and if I did, then we probably wouldn't have a Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson or Jaila Hertz.

You know, those guys probably were even trying to be parking guys or who knows. So now we have the quarterback position where, like I say, if you can run and you can throw it and you white or you're black and you can play quarterback in the NFL. And that's just what we're at, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, it was a lot of dismal moments for me where, you know what I'm saying, I wish I wouldn't have chose to play quarterback, but to keep fighting and keep pushing for what I believed in,

changed the whole generation of quarterbacks that came after me. But it was those that came before me that continued to push me, Donovan McNabb, Randall Cunningham, Steve McNair, you know what I'm saying? I saw those guys coming to the league, you know, and watched them play. It made me want to continue to just stay on my path. I just did it a little different than everybody else, more faster pace and it was more dynamic and explosive.

And so I think they picked on me a little bit more because maybe that's not, it wasn't the norm, but now it is. Your style of play actually changed the mold, not just for the black quarterback, for the quarterback, period. Most of the quarterbacks that we see now have at least some sort of dual threat element to them. Josh Allen can run it. Joe Burrow can run it a little bit when he gets in trouble.

These guys are a little bit more athletic. They can get outside the pocket and pick up extra yards and keep drives moving with first downs and stuff like that. The guys that you talked about before you, and I remember even dudes like Jeff Blake. I remember guys like, you know, in the Saints, we had Aaron. Aaron Brooks, Dante Cold Pepper. And Brooks, Dante Culpeper.

All of these guys were successful quarterbacks, though. These guys were guys who could win you games. Why do you think it was your style, though, that actually changed the position? Yeah, because, like I just said, a few minutes ago, I did a different. How different, what you mean? I was faster. I was more explosive.

I was like a running back with the ball in my hands every play, playing quarterback. I was a running back that basically could throw. So I could drop back and go to distance, go 80 at any given moment. So can you imagine what coaches who had to defend me and play against me, what they were saying to themselves behind closed doors? I want a guy like that. how could you not? I mean, it was one thing to see, you know, Donovan,

and not taking away from their style of play. I'm just talking about style of play. Donovan, Dante, Warren, you know, pocket passing guys that can run. But when you saw me, you saw something different. You saw a blur. You saw a guy with an arm. You saw a guy who the game was changing. I won't necessarily say changing.

But it was a lot of coaches looking at me saying I would love to have a guy like that. Oh, I would love to have a guy like that. Then guess what? Then you get Cam Newton. You get RG3. You get Kaffanick. You get Russell. So, you know, years later, you get Lamar.

You get Jalen. You tell him to say, you get Kyla Merr. You start getting guys that looked like me. And so that was something I, like I said, I had to fight for. I could have just been like, yo, nah, I'm going to just try to become a better pocket passer. And I did that. But I was like, you know what? At the same time, I'm going to still be dynamic.

God bless me with the ability to move my feet and run fast and I'm going to use it. And I didn't know that was going to change the revolutionized the position. And that's why I did this dot because people always come to me and say, yo, you change the game. I'm like, yeah, but that, but without watching Donovan and without watching Steve McName, man, I wouldn't continue to dream of being the best quarterback that I could be. It just happened. I was a little fast in everybody. Like you say, Aaron Brooks was amazing.

My cousin, Aaron Brooks was amazing quarterback. It's consistent as they come. Dante Cold Pepper. You know, so it was the 1999 draft man. I really think set the tone, man, for me to as a kid in college, young man in college, wanting to continue to push to be a quarterback, regardless of, you know, what I heard of the stereotype. Watching the documentary or the docu-series, it's kind of emotional because you're not learning or watching just what it is to be black in this country.

You're seeing what it is to be a black quarterback in this lead and how there were years where there was no black player at all in the NFL. I'm curious, like what, as you were talking to like those that came before you and them talking about not being drafted and knowing that they had better stats, better records than some of these white quarterbacks, What is it that you learned about yourself as you were embarking on this journey and, you know, talking through with some of these legends? Yeah, well, I feel like we all at some point, you know what I'm saying, had a setback. You know, whether it was Warren who had to go play in Canada or I feel it was Doug who was cut after winning the Super Bowl, Tony Dunjee, who had to switch his position and go play another position. And I feel like we all was like at some point told even that, you know what I'm saying, when he first stepped into the Dallas Cowboys locker room and somebody told him like,

you can't be a quarterback, black quarterback for America's team. We all had a moment where somebody told you, yo, bro, nah, you can't be a quarterback in the National Football League. For me, it was, they told me I couldn't play quarterback in college. And, you know, sometimes you feel, sometimes words do hurt. And, you know, when you got to go digest that, you know, late at night and you got to sit and think about it, you know, I was like, man, the hell with this. I'm not going to waste my time playing quarterback and waste my life, you know, trying to pursue something that's just not going to be there when it's all said and done. So I might as well go play running back or might as well go play another position because those guys barely made it.

And that was just like five or six years ago or ten years ago. And like I say, in the 1999 draft happened where, you know, Donovan went number two. Andy Reid drafted him, Jeffrey Lurie, Philadelphia Eagles, who had a history of drafting black quarterbacks or bringing in black quarterbacks. And then Achilles Smith was drafted. Dante Cole Pepper went to the Minnesota Vikings with the eighth pick or something like that and Sean King. And I'm looking like, oh, hold on. It seemed like some doors opening up. I can continue to pursue this.

My game just like Donovan. You know, Donovan was my, you know, the person that I idolized. And so I just felt like, man, that was just a stepping stone to make me continue to believe and push. So, you know, I learned that we all had to go through, you know, obstacles and we all was doubted at some point. But, you know, to, you know, come out on top and come out on the other side of it, we all had played a part. and changing the game and revolutionizing the position. You know, you gave the NFL a lot of credit earlier.

And I feel you, but black quarterbacks had to take it, Mike. They had to take their respect. You know what I mean? There was a part of the culture of the NFL that sometimes didn't believe that a black man could lead a team, weren't leaders, weren't smart enough to digest playbooks. And black quarterbacks had to come into the, the league and win.

Quarterback is a hard position to hit on. You know, they have to come into the, to the league and win. They had to win Super Bowls. They had to win MVP. They had to win pro bowls. And then that started the change in the game. That's what kind of started this whole, that's what kind of started this whole project. You know what I'm saying?

So to speak, and especially talking to my friends. it was like, bro, I wonder if the offense is, because I know what an NFL offense is complex, it's sophisticated as a mother, I'm telling you. And I'm like, damn, was the systems back in just that much that's so complicated that you couldn't understand it? Like, like, I could. And so I wanted to go back and just try to find some playbooks

and go through some offensive systems. That's kind of how the idea was originating. I'm like, yo, I want to know why it wasn't, you know, um, sustainable or attainable, you know, for a black quarterback. Was it just that what's complicated? Because I know what it took for me to learn it. And I'm like, oh, damn, I was able to pick it up after a while for sure.

But I know Warren was smart. I know Doug was smart. Or was they just not given an opportunity to do so? Or was it outside pressure from the world? Because, look, in the 70s, it was a different time. But it was segregation? It was all that. So was it, you know, outside pressures from just fans?

media maybe they just didn't want to see that um because i gave the the NFL credit because the owners they still own the team they still had to make the decision to say yo i want you Doug i want you donovan i want you dante Mike well i want to take you in the with the first pick of the draft black man quarterback 2001 was they thinking about breaking the barrier i don't think so you just think about winning They did it because I think they did it because it was the right thing to do. Yeah, they wanted to win. So I just feel like, and that's why I credit the NFL because I'm like, damn, man,

without the league, bro, without the owners and general managers making these decisions and being bold enough to say, I don't care about what the public said. I don't care about what the media say, we're trying to win games. That's what's most important. That's the barrier that was broken. And that's what I'm so appreciative of. You know what I'm saying? Outside of me, yeah, revolutionizing the game.

and all that, that was cool. But I don't get that opportunity if they don't press the button, if they don't green light it. You know what I'm saying? And my coached Dan Reeves and coach John Elway. So what did he see in me?

Another little John Elway, that's what you told me. So, you know what I'm saying? I'm just thankful for that, man. You know what I mean? Like, yo, I'd have made some great relationship with people, man. Some of my best friends are white,

good friends are white, you know what I'm saying, relationships that I have made, friendships, long-lasting, and I think the NFL did that for me. Help me grow. Help me see the world different. As far as we've come in the NFL with the black quarterback,

do you ever find yourself still getting frustrated with the discussion of young black quarterbacks? And I guess I'm particularly thinking of Bryce Young and him being benched in the way they're talking about him, and it's only his second season? Do you still feel like some of these stereotypes that have, as we see within this documentary, are still existing today in the discussion of young black quarterbacks? Yeah, well, I don't think the stereotype exists anymore.

When Bryce Young was drafted, number one, I don't think people were saying, oh, Carolina drafted the black quarterback, man, why did they do that? You know what I'm saying? I don't think the fan base is more excited. We got a kid coming out of Alabama who's a dual threat. He can run, he can throw. Thank God, yes.

You know, now once you touch the league and you get into the league, you get into the hands of coaches and, you know, people that's supposed to lead you'll make you better, you know, I'm saying? That's out of the control of, you know, anybody's perception of what they may think. Now, now you got to go earn it. Now you got to earn it and you got to, you got to play up to standard. So, yeah, I think it's more so a celebration, you know what I'm saying, when a guy gets drafted, you know, in the first round, black or white, you know, it's an opportunity now is not looked at as, oh, man, man, they drafted another black quarterback.

We drafted the guy that looked like Cam Newell. We drafted the guy to look like Lamar or Mike Vick. So I think that's what we're at now. And, you know, that's to be celebrated in our own right. Let me ask you something. Once again, I'm going to tell you this. It was hard. It was hard rooting against you.

It was disgusting in a lot of ways. It was tough. It's stressful. I'm a Saints fan It was a And then It was twofold too Bro

Because you ruin Madden It was The game became Unplayable And you know We had a no Vic rule We had a no Vic rule in my house No Vic

Okay Couldn't do it It was it was too It wasn't It wasn't a video game anymore Okay It was send people on four verticals And then watch Vic kill you

And get out And get out It was cinema four verticals and just watch Vic kill you. Algy Crumper, all of those guys. Like all of y'all was too much. Yeah. But I watched somebody play in high school that when you watch his high school tape, he looked just like that and he's from your area.

And his name was Alan Iverson, right? Yeah. And let me ask you this. You kind of like the Iverson of football. Iverson is kind of like the Vig of the NBA. Do you think that if Iverson would have chose football, that he could have made it to the NFL at quarterback? Yeah, I do think he could have made it to the NFL at quarterback.

I think he would have been similar to Charlie Ward. That's what he looked like when he played in high school. You know, elusive dynamic had an arm, could throw it. Obviously, we'd have to bulk up and gain some weight. But, yeah, he had all the talent and all the tools to play in the NFL. fail. And so we always talk about that when we see each other. Yeah, he wanted my platform in the league and I wanted his platform in the NBA. But God send us on the right path. I'll tell you that. Could you have played the NBA? No. No, I'll be honest. I couldn't have played

the NBA. I couldn't dribble good enough. I could shoot. I really just learned how to shoot a couple years ago. So it goes to sort of my coaching wasn't as good when I was in, you know, Little League basketball because he didn't teach me how to shoot. But Allen could, he could play basketball and football. I think he won the state championship in both. I couldn't have done that. Have you ever played somebody in Madden and got mad that somebody was busing your ass with you?

Well, yeah, because I couldn't stop me. I was getting even because I had Peyton Manny or I had Drew Brees. I had Tom Brady. and you know back when we was playing the past, you know, they had the past vision. Yeah, though. The vision comb. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. The vision comb where Peyton was like this wide on the screen so I can go anywhere. So I kept the game even, kept the match even. I don't know anything about Matt. Here's the last question. You don't need to know.

This is the last question for me. Distraction. I love the conversation in this that you have with Doug Williams. And I love that he says that he thinks in like the next five plus years, that he thinks half or more than half of the quarterbacks in their league are going to be black. Do you agree with that? And what does that mean to you? Just piggybacking on like what's doing this whole project and everything.

Yeah, I think it's cool that Doug shared that because that interview took place. I want to say maybe two years ago with Doug. And then on opening day on this year, 2024, I think we had maybe 16 black quarterbacks or I think we had, I'm sorry, I think we had 15. So it was almost half the league. And I remember looking around the league in 2004, 2005, and only seeing myself, Donovan, Steve McNair, and maybe one other guy.

And then maybe four or five years later, you know, still was like four or five of us. You know what I'm saying? They became the normal. And so, you know, and it was a regular. thing. But we was always proud that somebody got the opportunity to be, and we always counted the numbers. Like I'm on, I said that I didn't, or deny that, you know, we, I didn't pay attention. Because I was always, I always said to myself, man, it'd never be another quarterback in the NFL

to look like me. Never until Lamar came. And so it's just so good to see. Doug spoke it into existence two years ago. And maybe he's seen the evolution of the game and seen the change. And once, you know, I came into the league and then, you know, Donovan and Cam Nguyen and all these guys. So, you know, I know they pay attention and they call in like they see it. The documentary is the evolution of the black quarterback. It comes out September 24th. Vic, I'm going to let you go.

But I got to get you back for all of the pain that you've caused me, the Saints on game and all of that stuff. So I'm going to put you on the spot real quick, Mike. I need you to give me your top five black quarterbacks of all time. I'm not asking for the best. I'm asking for Vicks list, Vicks top five black quarterbacks of all time. Of all time. Okay. All right. So in no particular order, I'm going to just say Lamar from what he's doing, Patrick from what he's done. I got to put myself in the list. I got to put Doug in there for being the first black quarterback to win the Super Bowl

and then Russell Wilson for being the second. Wow. You know it. You came off the top with it. Yeah. I mean, I was asked that question earlier, so I feel like I've been prepped for it. When I was asked early, I couldn't give you, I gave y'all a better description. I appreciate you.

But, yeah, but yeah, I was ready for it. My mind was conditioned for that question, even though I didn't know you was going to ask me. feel you. Well, I feel good about my answers. Yeah, it's very good answer, very good answer. Brough, wish you all the success. You meant so much to sports, man. I hope the Falcons never win another NFL football game ever. Well, you know we got you all this week. Yeah, yeah.

You got you for sure. It's an L. So. Yeah, I'm going to tap in. Nah, man. We coming off a tough loss last night, y'all. We coming off of a tough loss, okay? Yeah, we're coming off. I'm going to hit you on the ground. Hit me on the gram. It's a L.

And the no big rule the no big rules still exist. Is it home? Is it in Atlanta or is it in New Orleans? It's in Atlanta. It's in Atlanta. I think it's in Atlanta. Y'all go loose.

Whatever. I think it's in Atlanta. Michael, man, appreciate you joining us, bro. Big fan. Been a big fan your whole career. The documentary is great. I'm actually in the documentary. People know, I'm actually, I'm featured in the documentary.

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Trump, Harris. Harris seems to be surging in the polls according to Nate Silver. Nate Silver, not a 538. Nate Silver is now on his own. He does his polling average. He has an electoral college in a toss-up and post-debat polls

show that Harris is doing pretty well. Although, I'm looking at Yahoo right now, And it seems like Trump is leading in Georgia, Arizona, and North Carolina, which, to be honest with you, Yahoo, little misleading. These are all states where the president has kind of been favored. It doesn't look like she'll win either state. She could. I mean, the states are very tight in Arizona and in Georgia. And North Carolina is in play.

I know a lot of people on the ground in North Carolina that think that she's going to win North Carolina. I've heard crazy people say that she's going to win Florida. I know a lot of people say that she's a surgeon. But like the most important state for her, it's obviously Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is the key to victory. It's going to be a very, very, very, very tight race no matter what. It's going to be less than 100,000, maybe 200,000 votes that decide the whole thing. Which is ridiculous.

You would think that with the turning of the tide or changing of the tide with Biden now, the hair is coming in, all the momentum. Trump continues to, I feel like he's deteriorating right in front of us, the things that he says, the way he's acting, things are becoming more outrageous. You would think that the disparity would be even greater, and it's just not. I mean, people have made their minds up. They're voting for who they're going to vote for. And in hearing you talk about Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina is terrifying to me.

I don't know. I feel like I'm in La La Land a little bit about like, it's going to be Harris Walls because it has to be. It just has to be. That's what I just keep telling myself. And then when you say these numbers, it brings it back, it brings it back to reality. I think North Carolina is really in play, particularly with nudeafrica.com becoming such a big deal. You saw that Mark Robinson fired, or not fired, a large portion of Mark Robinson's campaign team. Bounced. They got out of there. Newtafrica.com was a bridge too far. You just love saying, did you look into it? That I used to be on nude Africa? You've heard of it before? Yeah. Don't yeah.

I mean, like, it's common knowledge? I've never heard of New Africa ever. It was, I was not, I was on a different message board, okay? I was on BGLL, Black Girl Online, okay? It's on a different message board, okay? But New Africa.com was a big time message board. I never quite went there. I never looked around there.

I never did any and stuff like that. but you know different people have these personalities weren't on these message boards and that's where they get all of their shit off right that's what they get all of their shit off that was rich too far for a lot of people that got out of the race and I also think that a lot of those people that moved away from

Mark Robinson don't want to be tainted by association with him now yeah but will that translate into the presidential election could it could affect him at the top of the ticket because it makes the Republican establishment in North Carolina look so incompetent, right? And if she wins Pennsylvania and North Carolina, it's over.

If she went, really, if she wins... It'd be great to get Trump to make a comment about Mark Robinson. If she holds down, J.D. Vance has kind of talked about it a little bit, and he hasn't really dismissed Mark Robinson or denounced him. He's kind of just, eh, in the way. But if she, if she holds Pennsylvania, she wins, if the blue wall holds, she wins. But if she wins North Carolina, it will be very hard for Trump to win. It's getting tight. Everybody, don't think that there's any one thing that could happen that would make this a slam dunk for Kamala Harris. It's going to be tight.

You've got to turn out. You've got to get your friends to turn out. And make sure you're registered to vote. I've been hearing a lot of conversation, even particularly in my own family, where people go on to check. And for some reason, they're no longer registered to vote. I don't know what's happening. I've seen it.

It happens all the time. You have an unruly stomach. Did you hear that was rough. Yeah, it's tough. My stomach's even angry. You guys in California, I've heard that happening to people. In Texas, I know that that's happening to people. So please make sure, don't assume that you are registered to vote.

Get on there, check, send the websites to your friends to make sure that they're doing the same thing. Do your due diligence because as you just pointed out with the numbers, like we all need to be. On deck. Yeah, and look, vote for whoever you want to vote for. No, vote for Harris Walls. I'm not doing that. I'm saying that is because, like, I know who listens to us. I get it.

Do your thing. But I will tell you that some of these people are clown shoes. I'm sorry I've got to say this. Jill Stein, it's clown shoes. It's a clown shoe situation over there with Jill Stein. She's having the worst couple of weeks that I think I've seen any candidate. She wanted more opportunities to talk, and she wanted to be featured in more spaces. And I think that has backfired in a lot of ways, as people have learned more about Jill Stein.

Now, listen, the very populous policies that you see the Green Party standing up for. And I do think that Butchware is actually a pretty impressive person. But I'm concerned about Jill Stein's ties to Russia. I'm concerned about some of the people that she's been involved with in the past. I'm also concerned that she is somebody who doesn't have a real political vision. Except with Russia. She's an idealist, which is fine. But I'm not seeing a lot of structures being talked about that lead us to mission accomplishment.

So a lot of my friends on the left and a lot of the people that I'm talking about, my extreme lefty friends are making Jill Stein out, I think, to be a more serious candidate than she actually is, in my opinion. I think the more we learn about her, the more we go, nah, probably not. Harris Walls. It was never a thing for me. Yeah, it was never a thing for me anyway.

All right, look, Jerry Jones, man. No. The Cowboys, bro. No. No, I said it. I'm not talking about the Cowboys this season. I'm just not. College players.

Jerry Jones want to know what your dick is like. Before you get drafted to the Cowboys, Cowboys, Jerry Jones want to know what that size and what that girth-merth is like. He looks at a player. He doesn't just look at his ability to cut his stop and start, his leverage, his balance, his power. Jerry Jones looks between your legs and he wants to see that black horsepower or that pink horsepower or that brown horsepower. He was watching the game with Jerry Jones.

and the game almost became a freak off. I just realized what you said. Because the game almost became a freak off. They were at Cowboys practice, and he didn't know that Jamie was live streaming on Instagram, and this is what Jerry Jones had to say. That's pretty good, Rob, yeah. He showed balance.

5-9-2-4-1. 9 and 3-inch head. eight and a half inch dick I was about I really wanted to be like is it possible that he was talking about something else and then eight and a half inch dick

he said it it just doesn't even make sense well of course it makes sense how does he know I mean it makes sense because he's a slave owner he I'm telling you this is the little shit y'all got to look at

that's why y'all got to go watch the drum Like, it is, this is the little shit that you look at. And it's a strong black buck. Boom, boom, boom, boom. And look at this. And then he grabs him by the junk. And like, look at that. And then this is that.

He does that. No, but that's the shit that we want to do. Like, this is it. Boom. Why are you talking about that man, dick, man? I don't know. What does his dick have to do with his ability to play football? I have nothing to.

I can't, I can't say anything to it. Yeah. And I won't. This is why the Cowboys lose. Another loss this way. This is why the Cowboys lose. The Cowboys lose because Jerry Jones should be concerned about offense, defense schemes.

Should be concerned about Pans C.D. Lamb, Michael Parsons. But he's worried about these guys and the sizes of their dick. Jerry, I love Jimmy Fox, cut the live stream off right away. I can't. The look on his face was like. So what we're talking about, Jerry, that's not what we were talking about. We weren't talking about anybody's.

Meet Pistol. Jamie Fox won't be invited back. Probably not. Probably not to that type of situation. You know, it's just funny. We talked to Michael Vick, and we talked to him about the NFL owners, and he gave a lot of credit to the NFL owners

for black quarterbacks and the essential of black quarterbacks and all that stuff. I think Mike Vick's great guy, I think the players, like I said before, I think they took that from the owners. To win now, you have to be a little bit more. dynamic and I think that Vic and the rest of the guys that he was talking about are the reasons

for that. I think when you get these owners talking, they always talk in these ways to me that are like to humanizing to these players. I'm not going to make a big deal about this. I mean, he was absolutely as if he was like standing on the block, the scaffold, whatever it's called, and was sizing him up. Yeah. Like that's exactly what it sounded like. It was, it's disturbing. Can you imagine if this was a different sport? Can you imagine if this was a different sport. Can you imagine if golf? WNBA.

Okay. If we're talking about something, and she got the fat ass. Has nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What is Jerry Jones into? What are the Cowboys?

What are they doing? What is Jerry Jones into? We've been, us fans have been begging for a change in leadership for a while. He runs the whole league. What's going on with the Cowboys, man? They, they, they, they, I said, don't get the bandwagon.

How are you getting off the bandwagon? Dax said, go ahead and get off the bandwagon. Well, of course. You're off the bandwagon? No, I'm never going to be off. I'm a diehard fan. I went to the Rams game yesterday.

I was watching the Cowboys game during the Rams game. Happened to be sitting next to another Cowboys fan. Right. It, I, I'm just, I'm tired. I'm not talking about it. I'm sticking to my guns. I said I am not talking about the Cowboys this season. I'm not going to talk about them.

I have nothing to say. Texas is the best team in college football. You haven't even mentioned a peep. We said that last week. When you tried to do this last week, I said Texas is number one. You haven't even mentioned a peep about them. They're number one. I said that last week.

LSU can't fucking stop anybody. But you know what LSU is? Entertaining on TikTok. Why? They're always tripping out. The Sellies. That's what they're good for. A good old dance in the end zone.

We do our thing. But we can't stop nobody. We play decent in the second. half yesterday. I want to say something else. As critical of Colorado's program and Dion Sanders as I've been, there is still magic in Shador Sanders' arm. They were able to win a game against Baylor. That's literally the worst loss I've seen in a long time of watching college for what's. Dave Miranda, that's a fireable loss on Baylor's point. That's a fireable loss. But all you can ask your quarterback to do is make that throw and win that game.

Shador Sanders did something. They continue to play all the way to the whistle. Give credit to Colorado. They're 3 in 1. Yeah, yeah. And it's exciting. And it's exciting. And it's exciting.

And it's exciting. They're 3 in 1. They got a great quarterback and they got the best player in college football. We'll see how the season continues to go. College football is fan fucking tasic right now. All right, we're going to go. Thank you to Michael Vick. Make sure that you watch the evolution of the black quarterback.

Yeah, it's really good. It's a really good documentary and really does something that's very important, which is pays on. homage to a lot of the guys who paved the way for Vic, who paved the way for Lamar, who paved the way for Patrick Mahomes, who paved the way for all of these guys who are making place right now. And I'll say, too, you don't have to be a sports fan to watch it. It's history.

It's really interesting. And one of the things that I love the most in the first episode is the nod to HBCUs and how these greats would not be here without the HBCUs. That's where they went. whether it was Doug Williams. They even talk about Walter Payton, who's not a quarterback, but they just, they talk about Jerry Rice as well. These people came.

They're greats. The best of the best came from HBCUs. And so they give that nod to them, which I've really enjoyed watching as well. Yeah. All right, guys, look, getting out of here, don't sleep next to your phone. Apparently foreign governments can hack your phone and blow it up.

What? Or hack your different devices and blow it up. Don't sleep next to your phone. It's very spooky. out there. Okay. Put your phone in a different room. Y'all be safe.

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