Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Jayland Walker’s Unnecessary Death and Talking Mass Shootings … Again

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

Van and Rachel react to the latest police shooting that saw an unarmed man shot 60 times in Akron, OH (22:25), before discussing a July 4th weekend of tragedy (38:09). Plus, Brittney Griner pens a letter to President Biden from a Russian prison (1:02:40) and dynamics of the Black diaspora are discussed (1:16:41). Host: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on and it is I, Van Lathan Jr. Gordon. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Wow. Wow. You had a good Fourth of July, didn't you, Rachel?

I mean, let's just say my lashes aren't on. Right. My wig's not on. I had a decent time. I had a decent time. I got elbowed in my eye. I saw it. Can you tell?

No, actually. You pointed to the wrong one. Can you tell? You pointed to the eye. What happened to you? You're swollen right here. You're doing too much on the basketball court. They let you know you don't belong there anymore.

That's what that is. I was out there getting it in. And this is why. wild kid trying to be like Scotty Barnes. This is a wild 20 year old, 25 year old kid that was driving. He was trying to push me. You know, you don't push Big Daddy.

I'm bringing the daddy to it. The daddy. And, um, and, uh, no, he is, he elbowed me right away. I felt it. See, the whole, the thing is when I'm in sports, I don't feel pain. Did you see that video of me getting punched in my stomach? Did you see that on Twitter? I have a dribbling.

You mean you got punched? We were boxing. I was boxing against this guy. He's hitting me hard to the body. I'm like, that doesn't hurt. And then I saw it. I'm like, you really can't hurt me. And so I started letting him hit me to the body.

And it didn't hurt. But then you're sore the next day. And like right now, I got elbow. But that's enough. after that just had a fun time yesterday. What did you do, Rachel? I was in New Orleans this weekend at essence, which was great. And I had a good time down there.

I forget how hot New Orleans is in the summer. But a good time. Stinks? A little stinky. Stinky? A little, a little bit. I feel like it always smells in the Bourbon Street, French Quarter. It's a little stinky. It's not a big thing. It's not a thing. It's a little stinky.

Whatever. Anyways, yeah, had a good time. Saw Janet in concert. Did a little thing for Spotify, black women uplifting their voices. Met some thaw warriors, which is always a lot of fun. Hmm? You like that. I can't wait until we can do a live show.

I'm telling you. It's so nice to be able to see the people who listen to the podcast and support it. I love meeting y'all. Anyways, saw Janet, Saw Jasmine Sullivan, Mani Fresh, Dougie Fresh, who else did that? Patty, Patty LaBelle. Pizza. Yeah, it was a fun time. And then yesterday I went to the Revolve H-Wood party.

at a no boo. Oh. Did you wear all white? It was an all white party. Ah, Rachie! Um, I want to get married tonight, but I can't take any because I'm wearing all white.

It's good. Look, let's tell you something. When you were out at the Essence Fest, did you see a lot of niggers? No, I didn't see any. You didn't? Not a one.

It's the only beautiful black people. Yes, exactly. Yeah. How do you feel about the word nigger? Like, I say it to trigger, sometimes I say it to trigger Ebony. Hold on for a second. No, I'm not going to call her to do it. Like, I say it to trigger Ebony.

She hates it when I hit it with the ER. Yeah, it was jarring, which is why I just said I didn't see any. Not a one. I don't want to. Also, I did something that I've never done before in my entire life. And I don't know if I'll ever do it again. But you know how I am on airplanes and in airports. I don't like to be bothered.

I sat down and talked to the person next to me the entire flight. When the pilot goes, we started our descent. We just looked at each other. Shout out to Terrell from the Terrell show. we had the best conversation ever. That is my new friend. Doesn't count. Why?

Doesn't count. Why? Because he has a show. No, but I didn't know that when I started conversation with him. Nah. It was like, oh, I sit down next to Trevor Noah. No, that's different. You have to shout out to Terrell from the Terrell show,

but you have to talk to like a human that like, I didn't know who I was talking to at first. And we, I mean, live stories, just it was inspiring. It was uplifting. It was funny. It was no. Like, I had a very great time talking to him. So shout out to Zvereaux.

I didn't know. So let me ask you a question. If you sat down and Mary J. Blige was sitting next to you, would you talk to her? I don't think she would talk back. Yes, she would. If she engaged in conversation, because see, I would be like, no, I'm not going to bother Mary. Mary don't want to be bothered. She started talking to me.

I would talk back. I think she probably have a. a lot to get off her chest. Her music suggests that. So just a random stranger? Yeah. Just see, you know, think about it. You know, it's 96. 95 even. You're on a plane with Mary Jane Blige. And she's like, hey, you know, take it off. We're going to New Jersey or something like that. I don't know where you guys are coming from. Maybe you're coming from a weekend in Miami. And Mary J. Blige's loose your shoes.

And she says, yo, it was his lover and his secretary. they were working seven days a week, had a job when no one else was there, helping you stay on your feet. It's like in 11 years, this nigger. And then you guys heard her, y'all, there's just a form of bond over what's going on in her personal life.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. All she wants to do is be happy. You ask her a question. She's like, all I really want us to be happy. Stop, stop. Stop. You know what I mean?

It's like you're going to New Orleans You ask her You go like Well like Mary Like we look looking forward to New Orleans I'm looking forward to getting a crunk up in that dancery You know what I mean That's what I'm looking forward to

How many more of these are we going to do How many more of these are we going to do What I'm saying is Mary Mary To me I felt like Mary would have A lot of different things to To kind of add and she would talk.

I feel like she would definitely talk to you. But here's a point, though. I know you would talk to her. If she talked to me, I would talk back, of course. Nah. I talk back to anybody who talks to me. Don't make me seem a certain way. You just said a second ago that you don't talk to the people.

I know they want to talk to Rachel Lindsay. If you speak, I'm going to speak back. I just don't, I don't, I'm not proactive with it. Anyways. We have a new segment. We have a new segment alert, you guys. Well, because we had to get rid of another one. Because we had to get rid of another one.

Trudy. True. New segment alert. Donnie's country problems. Y'all, we didn't realize that Donnie is up against a lot living in the sun downtown in Georgia. Where things are weird.

Donnie, it is your story. space right now to just talk to people about some of the country-ass problems that you're going throughout there in Donnie County, Georgia. I'm not used to this. I'm from Detroit. I'm an urbanite. I'm a city guy. But I'm also enjoying the nature aspect of living out here, or at least I was.

I do most of my recordings outside. I go either on my back porch or my front porch and like listen to the birds as I listen to y'all. or Bacari or Danielle. And it's like, it's a, it's a perfect work environment. So I had a Bacari recording right before this. I came outside, said my, my workstation, and I noticed something in my front yard that shouldn't be there. There's like flies and there's like a little outline that's not grass.

So I get a little closer and it's a rabbit. And, but the only reason that I can tell it's a rabbit is because of the head. Everything else about the rabbit is just a mangled mess. And my first reaction is this is a sign. Somebody put this here. Or it could be nature. On my senses, I started thinking of the other things it could be. I see a lot of owls and some hawks out here.

So it could have been prey to a predator. But I also have some very hillbilly neighbors. And at the beginning of each, right before we're rancel. up for Memorial Day, my neighborhood has like each of the, there are like flags that they put up throughout the neighborhood. And, you know, I'm not the most patriotic and neither is my wife, Jene. So the last year when they first did this, when they first put the flags up, we went out with a ladder and took it down. And my, the neighborhood who twist them up. What do you mean? They put up the Confederate, they put up Confederate flags and put up America.

They're American flags. Oh shit, Donnie. I mean, I don't like, like I said, I work out here or in my backyard. And from my porch, I can see the flag. And it looks like we put it out there. And I just don't want to look at that every day or every other day. So we took it down, wrapped it up, and put it in our garage. Come September of last year, the homeowners association lady came and asked if we had the flag.

and I was very, very short with her. I was just like, yeah. And then she said, oh, can we have it back? And I was like, oh, yeah, of course. And she was like, was there a problem with the flag? And I'm just like, no. And she was like, would you guys rather have like another flag, like Black Lives Matter or a rainbow flag, something like that?

And I was like, no. That's what she said? Yes. Yes. Jemé was in the living room listening to me on the porch as this happened. And she was like, you handled that well. You could have engaged her. I mean, I just, she was better than me.

She was looking for me to, I think she was looking for confrontation. And she came to the wrong person. I just shut her down. Short answers, yes, no. Thank you. Bye. So when I see this rabbit, all those things are going through my mind. I'm like, oh, we just took the flag down a few weeks ago or a few months ago,

whenever Memorial Day was weeks. and I'm like, is this my neighbors letting me know that they noticed that the flag wasn't up over the weekend? Or is this our neighborhood aisle or hawk? I don't know. I don't know. I think your neighbors. Don't about the snake in the palm. Oh, yeah.

Also the snake. So as I was coming back from seeing the rabbit carcass, I went to my garage to see if my shovel was going to be good enough to get the job done. And I was just trying to figure out what am I going to do with this rabbit? And so the way my front yard works, there's a little pond. And we kind of live on an incline. The little pond has a stream that bleeds into a bigger pond at the bottom. And as I walked past the little pond, I saw a splash in the pond. and I looked closer and after the water settled

I saw that there was a snake looking right at me and... Okay. A water moccasin. Could have been. Could have been a cotton mouth. Cotton mouths lived here.

This is another animal games. We don't have rattlesnakes. No rattlesnakes in Georgia. But yeah, it was something. It probably was a water moccasin, which I think is also a cotton mouth. So I'll go back into the garage and I get that shovel that I was going to get with the the rabbit and the snake is gone.

But I know that it's still over there somewhere. So after this recording, I'm going to take care of that rabbit. And hopefully I'm going to take care of that snake. And then we say take care of the snake. What do you mean? You know, take them out. Handle them. Okay.

All right. A couple of things here. People get upset about that. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. No, no. I have edited. No, no.

No, no, no, God damn it. Donnie, leave it in. Donnie, leave it in because we need to talk about this, okay? A couple of things. Number one, your neighbors didn't put the dead rabbit, okay? I believe, I believe they didn't. I don't know. No, God damn it, they didn't put the dead rabbit in there, right?

It's not direct enough. They didn't put the dead rabbit. That's not what they did. It's not direct enough. Like this dead rabbit, they didn't put it there. All right, I don't think they put it there. why you live. First of all, my question is, you got a stream that bleeds into a pond at your crib. You're selling dope, nigga? Like, what the hell? Like, I'm about to get the fuck out of this place,

bro. Like, we're looking for, like, I want a three, I want a three foot wide hot tub. And now, that would be, call it a life. You got a stream of the pond. You got snake problems. Just stop complaining to be a good American, first of all. So let's, so this, this, this, This is my assessment of Donnie's country problems for this time. We'll do another assessment later. It's just to see what Rachel thinks. Number one, the rabbit, I don't think was put there by your neighbors. You have predators around there.

There's a neighborhood who's an owl or whatever. I think the rabbit met it's untimely in. Sorry to you, Thumper. I'm sorry to that man. And some people got to it. That's what I think. Number two, the snake. You have a pond.

there's no reason to kill the snake like watch out for the snake you're like my dad my dad saw a snake my dad killed a snake okay uh no you don't need to kill the snake do you have kids?

Hold on I don't not yet but I have dogs and see my father-in-law is like your dad the first time this isn't the first time we've seen a snake right there first time we saw it my father-in-law my mother-in-law and my grandma in-law were in town And as soon as my father-in-law said it saw it.

He was like, oh, we got to find you a sharp shovel. You got a sharp shovel? And I said, no, I got these long shears that I used for the bushes. And he was like, no, that's not going to cut it. That's not long enough. So he's from Jacksonville. So he's used to taking the snakes. And we went to Home Depot, got some snake repellent, and got this long shovel.

And he just said, she told me to sit back and watch him. And I watched him stab the snake. He missed, but he attempted to get it. So I was planning on doing exactly what he did. But the snake got away from me. I feel like I'm going to take the advice of somebody who's used to living out here or living down here and not let the snake live. Because letting the snake live could end up biting me in the foot or biting my dog, PETA in the foot. Can you can't tell you something?

Why don't you call the wildlife? fishies. Stop. Stop. What is wrong with y'all? Kill the snake. I don't understand this whole thing about keeping the snake alive. Donnie, kill it.

I would kill it in two seconds. I don't understand this whole we got to keep the snake alive thing. It's survival of the fittest. Kill the snake. Why does the snake got to be alive? And Donnie, those neighbors absolutely put that rabbit in your yard. And you need to be on your P's and Q's. You need to be all your P's and Q's.

I would put up security cameras. I would be watching. You sound like you're alone out there. I'm telling you your first go with your instincts, Donnie. Kill the snake. Protect the house. First of all, number one, if you have a problem with the snake,

this is my problem. And this is why I'm glad that Mountain Lion is where you can have it. This is my problem. I'm serious. This is my issue. This is why I'm glad that Mountain Lion is having the room. fucking revenge across the country. I got more Mountain Lion

related content that I'm saving. It's the attack of Mountain Lions. Okay, I'm glad. You saw that video. Somebody said it. I did see that video. It's fucking hysterical on the bike. That's hilarious.

Like, this is hilarious. Mountain Lion just tapped him on this shit and went back into the forest. I love it. This is my issue. And I'm being serious about this. It's like, I don't think it's fair to kill the snake.

The snake been living there. You carried your ass over there. Why can't we find a way to live with the snake? Like, if you don't want the snake around, call the wildlife and fisheries, have them come out there, pick the snake up, put in the snake, put the snake somewhere else.

Don't just kill the snake because it lives. Think about just being killed because you're alive. You're treating the snake like he a nigger. I know. just walk down the street. Also, we're snakes now? Also, we're snakes now. That's how Donnie's treating us.

Like, you treat the snake like, just you just walk down the street. Oh, look, it's the black guy. Boom. Kill them dead. Wow. So you're one of those people that. Unfortunately, we have that in the show today.

You're one of those people that saves bees and all of that. Like, I'm just not. Yeah. Like, oh, let me, let me carry it back outside. Let me put it back. No. Oh, sorry, boys. I try to stay out their way.

I try to stay out their way. If we can't coexist and we can't coexist, but at this point right now, the snake ain't done you nothing. Just like the people that you took their flag down, they ain't do you nothing. They didn't do you nothing. That rabbit is not there.

You feel so, I'll tell you what, you feel in a way because you took that flag down. And now you're letting your, whatever feelings you have, because you fired off the first salvo. You fired off the first salvo. And now whatever feelings you have about that.

You're on a hatch? Donnie, protect yourself. Yep, protect his house. From the snakes and the neighbors. But see, we talked about this before when we were talking about guns and stuff. You're not a gun owner, are you, Donnie? I am, yeah. Oh, shit.

Well, what the fuck you're fucking around with a fucking shovel if you're going to kill a snake? Blow his fucking top off. Oh, my God. Oh, how we have switched it up. Right. I know. I'm saying, what I'm saying is, I'm not a lot, Donnie. It's fucking moronic, dog.

So I wouldn't kill the snake. I wouldn't kill him. What would you do? I literally wouldn't kill the snake. I literally would call the wildlife and fisheries out here. And I say, look, there's a snake out here. Can you come get him? Because we got dogs.

That's what I would do. But if I was going to kill the snake, I'm not getting close enough with his shovel. He might have, the snake got agility. like a 10 out of 10 agility where if you get to you, bite the shit out you, man, my dad used to come out with a rinse and peace pop, come out with a cigarette in his mouth, blow a goddamn

snake's head off, go back in the house, wouldn't even pick him up. I was like, I'd be like, Dad, can you all we go to pick the snake up? You're like, nah, give the vultures a snack. Get the buzzers a snack. Get your ass in a house. Donnie's country problems.

Donnie Can we count on you to come back to give us an update and everything that's going on? I'll keep y'all in the mood. Can we count on you? Also, I want you guys to, I want you guys to vote. Does the snake live or die? Okay. I want you guys to vote.

Number one, vote on both of Donnie's country problems. Number one, vote on whether or not the snake lives or dies. And secondly, did Donnie's neighbors? My Herschel Walker supporting neighbors. That's it. See, did Donnie's Herschel walking, Herschel walking, Herschel Walker supporting neighbors

put a dare rabbit in his yard? Rachel says, yes. I'm going to go vote. Because I might be the only one who votes for my stuff. Rachel says yes. I say no. Donnie seems to think yes. You think they did it.

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Okay. Unfortunately, a very, very depressing big deal of the day on the other side of this break. Okay, it has happened again. And I made light earlier of our place in society as black Americans. And I do that, guys. I hope you know me well enough now to try to cope. But anybody who was triggered or offended by that joke, I am sorry, but we are going to leave it in just because I think it's important that if anybody didn't like it for me to take my loans for it. But we move on to a story that's very, very sad.

Jalen Walker suffered at least 60 wounds in the fatal police shooting. Akron Police Chief says as authorities released body camp footage, a 25-year-old black man suffered at least 60 wounds when police officers fairly shot him last week following a high-speed chase, during which the man fired a gun out of the driver's side window authorities said. Jalen Walker was unarmed at the time he was killed. Though a gun was recovered from his car after the shooting, Akron, Ohio Police Chief Stephen Mott said at a news conference, when police released large portions of the body camera videos from 13 officers who were at the scene, prompting more questions about Jalen Walker's death. Here's some audio from the press conference.

Was a gun recovered from Mr. Walker's vehicle? At the time of the shooting, he was unarmed. What was going to be a routine traffic stop, which would probably result either in a warning or a citation being issued turned into a pursuit. As Mr. Walker turned on to the entrance ramp to Route 8 and the shot is fired, that changes the nature of the contact. 40 seconds after the initiation of the traffic stop, a half a mile from the location of the traffic stop, you hear the gunshot and then everything else that I've just discovered. I'm going to say this. When an officer makes the most critical decision in his or her life as a police officer, it doesn't matter where in the country this happens.

When they make that most critical decision to point their firearm at another human being and pull the trigger, they've got to be ready to explain why they did what they did. They need to be able to articulate what specific threats they were facing. and that goes for every round that goes down the barrel of their gun. And they need to be held to account. So I'm trying to gather my words, right? So when I heard about this, I was at the concert at Essence Festival. And, you know, we're having a good time. You know, Essence is all about celebrating blackness and us and uplifting people.

And this is in between sets and we're waiting for Janet. And Al Sharpton gets on stage to encourage people to vote and talk about the importance of that and how, you know, in our place in this country. And then he says, a young man was just shot and killed in Akron, Ohio. And he said, I guess some people are saying he was shot 60 times, but 90 rounds went. So he said 90 rounds. And it was just, I mean, silence fell over the entire Superdome. And it was just a reminder that even when you try to have a little peace and joy, you're constantly reminded of your place in this country.

And then for it to happen as well during Americas, and I'm using air quotes here, birthday, is also a reminder of our place in this country. And so I like tried to put that. As much as I could, you know, like I was trying to enjoy the moment, but as soon as I left that, I was in a deep dive of trying to understand what happened, learning that this happened a week ago, and we're just now getting the body camera footage. And it's devastating. I mean, like, there's just so many, I don't, I don't know what to say anymore. We keep having to do this. This obviously has been continuing. This continues to happen. This is, this one is just brought to

light. I know there are other stories that don't even get media attention, but just the whole way that this went down, the unnecessary killing, the shooting, the amount of bullets that were shot into this young man, not even treating him like he's a human being. I just, I can't get over it. And I think the other thing, too, is that I guess it was, I don't know if it was the police chief or what, he talked about the decision to deploy the legal force and he said that it was consistent with the use of force protocols and officers training. So you mean to tell me that it is okay to fire off 90 rounds and have 60 bullets land into someone's body. That's within the protocol and training. That can't be okay. And we talk about whether or not we're going to watch these videos or not. And I did end up watching this

video and it hurts every single time you see one of these. But I was trying to understand how it all went down. I was never going to make any sense of it. That's not what I was trying to get. I was trying to understand how you felt it was necessary to fire off into this young man that many times. And then the defense from the police saying, oh, we thought he was reaching for something. He was unarmed when they were shooting him. And they didn't even render a friend. aid before they handcuffed him after they fired 60 bullets into him. I just, I can't. It's just so, it's just a reminder of where we, like what we mean, what we mean in this country. Yeah. Well said. For me, I'm looking at all of the, so all of the details in every shooting

are different, right? So you have a different set of circumstances, a different set of facts that are unique to each time that this happens. Some of them are more egregious than others. Some of them, and that's just a fact. Some of them are, some of them are, are easier others stand than others in terms of, when I say easier understand, I mean, like, they're simpler. A plus B equals C, and then there's some that have, you know,

different sort of situations into them. the common the common thread in all of them to me are two things number one the willingness of police obviously to kill people

to kill black men is there seems to be absolutely zero hesitation and I think that's to me what has to be litigated right I watch videos of of police interactions

that have not risen to the killing point yet to where it's not to the point to where people are going to be shot and killed yet. It's at the beginning of them. There's one that actually got flight and taken down off my Instagram where I watched a police officer from Shelby County, Tennessee. I don't know if we talked about it on a podcast or not. They were trying to enter a man's home to look for someone, but they didn't have a search warrant, right? They had a description and a warrant to like get whatever person, but they didn't have a warrant to come into

this man's home. And he's like, yo, get off my porch. You know, it's my house. You can't come in. You don't have the right warrant. And the police officer in that situation or the sheriff's officer, the sheriff's deputy, should I say, looked to escalate it. He's going to grab the guy.

If his partner, he was going to grab the guy, move him. And the guy's like, he's looking at his partner. He's like, look at your man. Look at your man. What happens in that situation is he grabs him. The brother scuffles, after he scuffles, the cop goes, oh, my God. like I felt for my life I was going to kill some man

and then like where are we at right now? So I think the like I think when we're talking about the cops and firing 90 times and shooting this kid

we have to look at the scenario and I want to ask everyone if everything the police say is true, is this outcome acceptable to you? No. If, exactly. Sorry.

If Jalen fired is, yeah. No, so no, no, it's cool. No, if Jalen fired his gun, if he was running, if he was, what, if, if everything that the police say is true, is this outcome acceptable to you? I think the problem with litigating this in society is that's where the disconnect is. There's a group of people that are going to say, yeah. if everything the cops say is true, I'm okay with that outcome because that's one less dangerous thug nigger off the streets. And then you have the rest of people who are interested in due process, in my opinion, and are interested in the police actually protecting and serving and treating Americans like citizens.

Because remember, until a court has convicted you of something, you are innocent. even when you're being pursued, even when you're being arrested, even when like be until you are convicted of something, even when they have your ass in county jail for what you've been arrested for, you are innocent. So anytime the police kill an assailant, technically they've killed an innocent person. Now, obviously, these things are different. If you see somebody with a gun shooting at someone or a mass shooter, which they magistrate. So in this situation right here, we don't get to litigate what went on with Jalen Walker because he's dead. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

And we don't really get to, and we investigating the use of force and everything that has to do with that. Like, he's dead. What too often gets robbed of gentlemen in this position? or black men in this position is their ability to tell their side of the story because now their souls have to echo into eternity and we don't know and we're left to pick up the pieces. I saw a report coming from Vice

where the cops were using photographs of black men as target practice. I encourage you guys to go out there. They're shooting in the shooting range at the police station and the savors that they see are black. Where was this? We have a lot of problems. I can't remember.

We have a lot of problems. There were 50 people arrested. Overnight protests in Akron, where this was at. And we're going to protest and then, you know, we're going to get back to normal and we're going to wait for the next one to happen unless there is a critical and structural eye

looked at at policing Once again, I'm calling for the federalization of policing standards and a police czar to be at the federal position created for a police czar to look at the standards all over the country and to have some unified and some uniform code and standard that officers are held to. to. Like, it's obvious that state and local governments do not have whatever they need to make sure that their officers aren't lethal killers or don't use lethal force when lethal force is not, uh, not appropriate. So in my opinion, we, we have to take this out of their hands. And if not, it's, it's, it's a lucky day whenever someone doesn't get killed by the police in this country. It's just luck. It's dumb luck.

I don't know much about Jalen Walker's past. I don't know. I'm sure every single non-later that he might have illicitly God is going to come to light now. He didn't have a criminal history. He didn't have a criminal history. He had never been arrested before. He had just recently lost his fiancé in a car wreck. Like this was a kid in the car.

community. There have been family members. There's been a pastor who's spoken out about it. No. They're not going to be able to do that with him. Until we until we and we'll learn more about this situation and you know, I'm sure we'll both sides

it to death on Twitter and other social media is where we have gladiator contests. But until there's some effort made, at a level higher than state and local governments, in my opinion, to set a standard for policing and to really enforce punishment

on cops that react poorly and overreact, we're going to continue to have these type of outcomes. And once again, the George Floyd, the George Floyd Violence and Policing Act, I always call it that. Is that what it's called? The violence and policing act? Justice, George, Ford,

Justice and Policing Act, I believe. I think it's justice. In policing act. I don't know why. I was like going to correct, Josh. I was just going to let you. I was just going to let you. We need action.

And more than that, we need to, to, you know what? I'm bullshit. You guys, I don't know what we need. I'm so fucking beat. We got to, we got to talk about July 4th shootings next. I don't know what we need. I don't know. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, let me tell you.

what it just happened in that in that segment. I attempted to give answers. You tried. You tried. I attempted to give answers. What I would like to see. I don't know if that's going to fix anything. It's so fucked. It's fucked up. I don't know what's going to happen, man. I have no fucking clue. You guys are listening to a podcast with a podcast. We can't give you any answers. All I can give you is problems over and over and over again.

And I all can tell you is that at this point, I looked at this. I didn't even watch this video. I can't do it anymore. I'm like, I literally. I can't do it. But I can't do it anymore. I didn't watch the body can. Don't watch it. I knew that Jalen Walker was killed. I knew that it, but I,

like with everything I was going through this weekend, I divorced myself from it. I really couldn't pay that much attention to it. July 4th shooting, six dead. Highland Park mass shooting. Robert Bobby Cremow, the third, identify as person, the interest.

Six people will kill. Dusses underwounded, when a government opened fire from a fucking rooftop during the general. July 4th parade, North Suburban Highland Park on Monday. 10.15 a.m. Man is in custody now. Robert Cremo the 3rd.

Silver Hard to fit north, North Chicago. I was at the attack. He tried to initiate traffic stop. He tried to flee. Brief pursuit. Taking the custody without incident. Not shot 50 to 60 times. He got killed six people.

That's the thing. Police know. They know how to take somebody in the custody without incident. They know how to do it. It's just a matter of when they're going to do that and when not and who they're going to do that with. Listen, I can't even talk about how I feel about this shooting. It's the same. You literally can copy and paste what I just said, I mean, taking the racial aspect out of it, for what happened with Jalen Walker, and again, what happened this weekend. This is the country we live in. And it is symbolic. You have black people getting killed.

and an in, well, like, it's never humane to kill somebody, but just the fact that it was done, 60 bullets shot, like executed. People, a mass shooting. At a parade. People are just trying to have some sort of enjoyment murdered for, like, it's just kids, families. It is so symbolic of what this country is. And we don't even have this on the rundown,

but you got fucking Texas. politicians proposing a bill to have the death penalty for people who have abortions. Like this is literally, that came out this weekend. This is literally the country we live in. Can we can, let's, let's take that for a second. That's so hypocritical. It always is. It always is.

It's quaint. So let's take that for a second. And let's, let's pretend that it's all because of Jesus. Let's pretend that it's the Bible. Let's listen to what is said. And what is said is that it's the Bible. Okay. It's the Bible.

Bible, Bible, Bible. Okay. We'll come back to this shooting in a second. Let's take that into consideration. The death penalty for having an abortion. I'm tired of living with stupid people. I'm so sick. of the dumb.

And if you're one of the dumb and you're listening to this, I'm sorry. Maybe I'm one of the dumb. I'm dumb to somebody. So there's somebody that looks at me and says, hey, Van is so dumb that I don't want to share oxygen with him. And you know what I'm looking at that person and I'm saying? I fucking feel you, doc. I get you.

It's the Bible doesn't say thou shall not kill. anyone who hasn't done anything. It says don't kill. It says don't kill. So if we're talking about Old Testament, gnarliness, which is where we get all of this from. It says don't kill. Don't kill.

So all of you whackadoos that hate abortion should hate the death penalty just as much, if not more, because you guys are all. also fucking freedom freaks. And being a freedom freak means that you should be completely against the state having the ability to take your life. The state can't tell you that you can't have a tank and weapons grade plutonium and a rocket launcher.

But you're telling me that the state can tell you when you die. None of this is consistent. It's all about like dicks and balls. I'm so dumb struck by all of this stuff. I hear that and it makes me just want to go kick somebody in the ass. You can get him right up the hole. Man. I'm so frustrated, man.

I appreciate the laugh. But I totally understand what you're saying. saying it's not logical. It doesn't make sense. Nothing is consistent. We always talk about the hypocrisy when it comes to these folks. That's the only thing that is consistent is the hypocrisy and the fact that it is illogical. It's not grounded in anything other than personal preference and beliefs. Period. That's it. Makes no sense whatsoever. Yeah. I called this Robert Cremot, the third guy, I said that the nigger shot six people. I didn't mean black.

He's not black. He fled from the cops. He gave himself up. The cops didn't kill him. He killed six people. Two law enforcement officers were shot during the Fourth of July festival in Philadelphia. Security of the Fourth of July concerted at Benjamin Franklin Parkway, with shots were fired around 947, just before the fireworks went off.

There had been no arrests. so far and no suspects in custody. Police said they're following several leads and asking members of the public to come forward. They have any information regarding the shooting or the video capturing of what happened. So there's your bad news. Your bad news is that the cops killed another black band, shot up 60 times. They say he might have been being violent, so they had to kill him. the cops ran up on a white dude who killed six people he ran not scratch on yeah i mean it's

it's tell as old as time it's the same story every single time buffalo shooter taken in without incident Kyle written house taken in without incident oh by the way y'all stop with out conspiracy theories. I don't want to hear them anymore. I'm going to start blocking y'all, niggas. But you're talking. Like, just the dumb shit. I'm going to start blocking out the dumb shit, man. I'm going to start blocking y'all. Everybody that hits me with the dumb shit is getting

blocked. You hit me with all of this shit. Secret societies are controlling this. We have very concrete problems in America. We have a mental health disaster. that's been exacerbated by the pandemic. We have a gun culture nightmare. And I don't give a fuck what you guys say about it.

I posted a picture of my father who died on July 4th last year. And in that picture, my father had a gun slung around his shoulder. That's how he lived. That's how he died. He died being a gun owner, loving the outdoors. Not talking about him. I'm not talking about you guys that love to hunt. I'm talking about you guys that want to have the human killing machines on deck on standby.

And then simply vanish when you're needed to save the people that your guns are supposed to save. Parkland, Yuvaldi, all of you, pucks. And I have to pretend like it's not happening to keep civility. no more fake civility no more fake understanding no more both sides of it if we don't wrestle the country back from you people

we will descend into abject chaos we are already there you have to be defeated sick of it all right um fucking dealing with this shit is a lot good news

Disney launches Howard University Fund to support black storytellers Howard Howard Howard Howard Howard Howard Howard Howard Howard Yeah this is a great It's a hate and ass episode today Partnered with Howard University to help advance opportunities For underrepresented students in the media And the opportunity initiative Disney storytellers funded Howard

Was announced by the Walt Disney Company On Sunday at the Essence Festival Shout out to Howard man Shout out to Puff, shout out to chat with Bozeman shout out to Kamala Harris. Shout out to the amazing alumni base of Howard. Howard, Howard, Howard, Howard, Howard, Howard, Howard, Howard, Howard.

Shout out to Howard. It's more HBCUs, man. That was my first thought when I saw the story. That's all I could think about. Listen, hopefully they started with Howard. All things seemed to go through Howard first or Morehouse, Spellman. listen, maybe this is a program they're going to implement. I'm trying to be positive right now because there doesn't seem, there's not a lot of

positivity on the podcast today. Maybe this is a program that they will implement throughout other HBCUs. I don't know, but my thought was your thought. It would be nice to see y'all focus on another HBCU that doesn't have as big of a, like, support system or following or endowment like Howard. And honestly, well, let me not say that. I was going to be like, they can't even house their residence. Do they fucking deserve this?

Give it to somebody else. Controversial Howard Dean, Dean of the Chadwick A. Bozeman College's Fine Arts. That's how you could enter too, sir. That's who she is. Noted Bill Cosby supporter, Felicia Rashad added in a statement. Are students at the count, that the College of Fine Arts and their creative

and creative expression in many ways. The performing arts and animation and design of the products that we use in life. Disney Storytellers Fund is a great support for emerging artists as they explore and develop potential within and across disciplines. Howard Morehouse and Spellman are the Tupac of HBCUs.

You ask a white person who favorite rapper is and they tell you how much they love Tupac. They're not going to say Drake because that doesn't mean that they really listen to rap, right? Everybody knows Drake. They're not going to say Drake, okay? They're going to say Tupac, who is an extremely legendary rapper, but so revolutionary that if you say that you love him, we're going to be like, oh, shit, we don't even,

we're blown away by the fact that that's an easy answer. Spelman, Morehouse, and Howard are amazing A-1 institutions, bar none. So thankful to the minds that Spelman, Morehouse, and Howard have put into this world, man, the Baccarry Sellers, the Brill Jackson, all of these people to come out of these places, man. Samuel L. Jackson, all of these places. Come on, man. Howard Morehouse Spellman, amazing. We got other rappers, man. It's true.

It's true. It's true. It's true. Twenty one Savage need a grant. You know what I'm saying? We got other rappers, bro. Lotto needs a grand. You know what I mean? Like, we got other rappers, man. schools need. I went to Southern. I was at the,

I was at Howard dealing with the kids. Kids at Howard fucking brilliant. Brilliant kids at Howard. Brilliant. That's so blown away. I'm not saying that they have enough. I'm saying that God damn it, try some other places.

I'm talking. I'm calling Disney. Call up Disney. All right, Donnie, I need it. It's time for, oh, maybe Warner Brothers maybe Warner Brothers will do Hampton next.

Donnie, what the fuck is that supposed? What are you talking about? There's other production companies, too. There's other HBCUs. There's other production companies. Let's like spread that. Right. It doesn't have to be Disney.

I got you, Donnie. I follow. Yeah, man. Appreciate you, Rachel. I know that it doesn't have to be Disney, but what I'm saying is now, the only thing that's going to happen is Warner Brothers is going to go to Howard, too.

Well, Howard, more house spelled with Warner Bros. Look. Rachel, what do you know about it? What do you know about the plight of the HBCU? Rachel, what do you know about it? God damn it? Excuse me? You're a $50 billion school.

Donnie, what's up in a dollar for Texas? My sister went to Spelman. My sister went to Spelman. So I spent a good amount of time there. Don't act like I don't know anything about HBCUs. I know you know. I'm just angry. I'm so angry.

I'm angry, but I'm feeling me. mischievous. I want to start, I want to start making people's lives hard. I like, you know what I want to do? I want to like, I don't want to hurt anyone,

but like, I want to like, I want to slit Brett Kavanaugh's tires. I do. I want to get flat tire. The fact that you're going to Texas this week is like concerning. I feel like you're going to be even more enraged by the next time we, we podcast.

Hey, I'm actually concerned. Hey, man. Don't fuck with me, man. I'm not having to, like, Hey, nigger. I'm on edge.

They better not, don't fuck with me, man. She is tough. I'm sick of it. Like, I don't want to hear it. God damn it. Dude. It's a crazy laugh. Y'all is, it's not okay.

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Fake Drake's Ozzy account, Izzy Drake has been deactivated. Fake Drake is over. You guys know where this person is? You didn't know? I didn't even know he started. He said he's over. I didn't know. I had never heard of fake Drake.

Didn't know anything about him. And when I saw this, I got to be honest. with you. He don't look like Drake to me. I would not be fooled. You can grow the beard. You can wear the OVO. You can put the heart in your head. He don't look like Drake. So apparently this guy's been paid $5,000 for a event walkthroughs. People DM me like, hey, you want to come to my event because I can't pay Drake. He's too expensive. He explained on a No Jumper podcast. I'll pay you $5,000, $5,000 just to show up. They pay my Airbnb. They pay the flight. They hook it all up. $10,000 for club appearances.

Fake Drake recently said that he wants to box the actual Drake for $1 million, except for August 27th. The Drake imposter agreed to stop impersonating the Sixth God if he loses the fight. This is where the dick riding comes in. Now you're going too far. there's nothing wrong with being a lookalike. They've been lookalikes forever. I enjoy some lookalikes. The guy who acts like he's Tom Cruise on Hollywood Boulevard is fucking amazing. A guy looks exactly like Tom Cruise.

It's crazy. Just like him. Just like him. I like that guy. But see if this motherfucker starts trying to fight Tom Cruise and like he's getting in Tom Cruise's life. It's too much now. The reality is,

fake Drake it went to his hair I'll tell you what head it went to went to the head of Drake's dick because that's where he's at he's on his nuts get off Drake's dick all right Had you heard of him before?

He went to Drake's head yeah of course there was a fake Drake there was a fake little dirt the fake little dirt got into a situation with Takashi 69 to Kashi 69

pressed the fake little dirt this is what you're like the Takashi 69 pressed the fake little dirt It was a whole fucking thing on the internet to where he's got beef with the actual little dirt. So he pressed the fake little dirt. What the fuck is happening?

Do you remember 22 Savage? Yes, of course. You're from bad rich. Oh, is he? Put bad roots on the map. I love 22 Savage. I like 22 Savage, bro. I do too.

I do too. Because like his real name, he's like a comedian and stuff. like but he's just like I'm not 21 savage I'm 22 he's just adding I just love it thank Drake stop dick riding bro stop fucking dick riding if you want to go out make a little change pretending like that's cool bro take some pictures of drake try to fight the man for a million dollars now you're on this nuts

not you on this dick I'll fight you for the million I'll fight him for the million dollars what would the odds be what would the odds you oh you're gonna step in for Drake I'll step in for Drake So you're gonna give him a meal Yeah I don't have the million dollars I actually do have it

But no no but like But okay But but Donnie played it Now I'm on Drake's dick Donnie play it again Rite sticks Right sticks

And don't we know Rachel would you get off your plane For $10,000 Yes Because unlike you I don't have a million dollars No nigger You got the high

Unlike you. In his tech columnist, Jason Aiton, that was a terrible introduction right there. It says that there's a Delta Airlines flight to Minneapolis, Minnesota. Passengers on the oversawed fight were offered $10,000 of cash to give up their seats. The question is this. They say, if you have Apple Pay, you'll even have the money. right now. The question is this, what could you be traveling to that you would not take the $10,000 to get off the flight? A wedding? Well, wait, it depends whose wedding it is.

No, no, no. If it was like my sister's wedding or something like that, that would be different. If it was a funeral, I wouldn't take it. I'm trying to think what else. If I was going to something where I was going to make more money than 10,000, I wouldn't take it. That's the only thing. No. You hit the nail on the head. I'd have to be making more than $10,000 where I'm going not to take it. Because here's the thing.

So I'm going to a funeral. I'm going to a, hey, yo, I can't make it. You're not. I'm going to be a couple hours later. I can't be there for the repast. No, it's not a couple of hours late. You would miss the thing is, the hypothetical is, you would miss completely whatever it is you're going through, too.

So around this time last year, I was preparing the funeral. And the only thing that could have brought my dad back to life was if I didn't get off of a plane for $10,000 to come to his funeral, because if I don't take the 10 grand he is getting up out of that casket and whipping my ass with the belt it would be honoring him to take the 10,000 bucks

either that or I'll call him and be like yo y'all got to hold the funeral up okay I got 10,000 boom that shit costs me 10,000 so like the reality is I'm taking the 10 grand if I had a job interview

I wouldn't want to work for a place that wasn't on board with me taking the $10,000 to get off the plane. If I can't explain that to them that it was $10,000 and for them to be like, yeah, I wouldn't want to work for them. That makes sense. Yep. I get it. I can't be like what you said was what I came to. It'd have to be more than $10,000 on the other end of it. But here's the thing in this story.

Apparently people were not taking the bait. I don't know who was on that flight. But. Well, some people said they had sick relatives and stuff. That's another one. If it was somebody that, it might be my last time to see them. Correct. 10,000 though?

It's bad in these guys. Is there at one place where it's not bad? So let's think about this. So it's bad to travel. right it's bad traveling is bad it's not great it's bad at the gas pump it's bad at parades okay it's bad at the movie theater not a lot of great films out it's bad at concerts at concerts it's bad like is there one place where it's not bad and if the higher learning question of the week. Is there one place where it's not bad? And if it's not, don't say it publicly.

Email me. Because as soon as you say it publicly, it's going to get bad. Correct. It's bad in fucking Russia. Britney Griner. How? Nigger! Oh. I will blame you if you mess up my peace by saying that I'll loud. Okay, Brittany. Brittany. Brittany Griner, handwritten letter to the White House pleading that President Joe Biden not forget about her, she nears almost five months in jail behind bars of Russia.

As I sit here in a Russian prison, along with my thoughts, without the protection of my wife, family, friends, Olympic Jersey, or any accomplishments, I'm terrified I might be here forever. I realize you're dealing with so much, but please don't forget about me and other American detainees. Please do all you can to bring us home. I voted for the first time in 2020, and I voted for you. I believe in you. I still have so much good to do with my freedom that you can help restore. I miss my wife. I miss my family. I miss my teammates. It kills me to know they are suffering so much right now. She concluded, I am grateful for whatever you can do at the moment to get me home. Your thoughts. Heartbreaking. Heartbreaking. And I think one of the most heartbreaking parts of

that letter is she's saying, I voted for the first time in 2020. and I voted for you. Do something, basically. And I, like that, I don't know why. That one stood out, that line stood out to me the most because she seems, she seems, not she is. There are pictures that popped up of her in court for the first time. It's the first time we've seen her since she's been detained.

And she's desperate. She's, she's terrified. You can feel that in the letter as she's writing it. And I think it is easy to focus on all the other things that are happening in the world and forget that one of our citizens is being detained for a ridiculous reason. And how many years are they talking? How many years are they talking with her? Year, it don't matter.

It's years. And it's been five months since she's been over there. And there seems to be absolutely no progress. and even her wife is making a plea. And she said, I'm sick of tired of hearing about how they care. I'm trying to figure out if he cares in reference to the president of the United States. That's what Brittany's wife said. So I hope that this letter gets not just his attention, but gets him to actually do something to bring her home.

And and others, because Brittany doesn't just make it about her. I think she says detainees. So all the American citizens home. So let's have a conversation about this. Let's have a conversation about strategy as it relates to us being here on higher learning. I'm going to take some ownership of something real quick. Taking the ownership of the fact that I don't like the Democrats. I don't.

It's not that I don't like the Democrats. It's that I don't like politicians, period, anymore. I'm to that point in life. Yeah. You went up. I don't like politicians. I don't like them. I love activists and give them tons of grace,

but politicians not so much. I think sometimes the fact that I don't love politicians, it colors my analysis of political things. Okay. Because some of the animus that I might have for politicians bleeds over into the way I look at what could or could not be being done by, politician. And because of that, I'm going to be very strategic in my criticism. Okay.

Politicians need to be a little bit more pointed in what it is that they do. And their messaging needs to be a little bit more direct. But I also need to be a little bit more direct manicured and focused in my criticism and not criticize in wide, blank. get non-useful or hyperbolic ways. I need to talk about specific things. And this is kind of an example of one of them. Getting Britney Griner out of prison is a very complicated thing. Sure.

She's under the, she's under the, I guess, the thumb, if you will, or she's being held by different justice system. The reality is they do not have to let her go. Correct. So, and if someone were to come here to America and run a file of the law in whatever way, whether that law was fair or foul, they would not have to be let go, you know, by, but at the compulsion of a, of a, of a, of a foreign justice system or a foreign, um, a foreign administration. So the question in this particular Britney Griner situation

is what should we be pressuring the White House to do? Something I don't think is enough because if there is a deal to be made, a prisoner for a prisoner swap, things like that have happened in the past, if there is talks to be had, if all of this stuff is going to be used as leverage and what's going on between Russia and Ukraine,

then the question is, what is it? Because if we're going to get Brittany out, simply shouting at the White House saying, do something is, in my opinion, a waste of time only because of the fact. And I'm looking at this. This actually started with me diving a little bit deeper into what happened with, with Roe and figuring out how we can mobilize and leverage what it is that we need to be done. I'm not saying it's our job to figure out what needs to be done. But I think we do bear responsibility to maybe have a little bit more of an understanding in this situation

so that we're not simply throwing out a whole lot of blame in a case where nothing might actually be able to be done. So I guess that's my thing. So the only thing I'll disagree with on that is I think this is different from Roe. When you say we're looking at the administration and we're like, do something, I think that's because I don't even know how to be strategic and what to ask for. I am unfamiliar in that with foreign relation and when they're detaining one of our citizens in a different country. and I know, like you said, every country is different. I don't know what it takes. I know that it's been done before. I don't know. So all I can say to an administration is, you know, you have the power to at least try to do something. I don't know specifically what to tell you to do. Just we see somebody out there who's pleading to be brought home for a very small charge. And it's, It seems ridiculous that she's still being over there.

And I'm not saying that it's not difficult to bring her home, but in regards to what you're saying, I don't know what to tell them to do other than get her home. Do something or at least try. Do you think, let me ask you this. If they are trying, if they are trying, do you think that they should be telling us that they are? Obviously, they couldn't get into the specifics of how they're doing it. But do you think that they need to be more forthcoming with the public to, as,

at least give the appearance that they are actually doing something. Because, Brittany's letter makes it seem like, and I feel like this isn't the first time we've heard from her, makes it seem like they're not. Maybe. Because, look, getting, like, getting Britney home is, is a great PR thing, right?

And maybe there are ways to do that that are less than scrupulous and they have to get down and dirty and do those things. I think it needs to be something that we know that they care about. But I think having an educated populace on it is probably the most important thing.

So messaging what it is that they can and cannot do is probably helpful. But at the same time, there have been some criticisms levied here even by the Solace Jackals. That perhaps a better understanding of these things is apropos if you're going to be outraged at them. right so for me i think i've taken some time to think and there are a lot of things that i know a lot of things that i delve deeply into and because of that i understand what i feel like should be happening the question is if my criticism was more specific might the results then be more specific if i was if i told you right now rachel i'm hungry do something to feed me Right.

And then you're like, okay. And you brought me out some cereal. Because I would have the power to do that. Right. But if you brought me out some cereal and I told you, I don't want this. I need, I need protein. Like I need to be able to tell you specifically how to like meet my needs for me to be able to specifically know whether or not you're not doing it for some odd reason. And so I'm not saying that this is necessarily every American's job, but I am saying I do think it's my job sitting in front of the microphone.

I do understand and accept that criticism. I do think that it's my job. And in the case of Brittany Griner, I read the letter and obviously she can't say this. But what I need to look at is what specifically can they do to get her out that they're not doing? Like what, like, what, like, what can they do to get her out that they're not doing? Because the reality is, if there's nothing that they can do, and there might be nothing that they can do to get her out, there might be, then it's not their fault that Britney Griner, I mean, just to be honest with you, it's not their fault that Britney Griner got arrested,

detained in Russia. So, so, like, what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, I do think, that this is an opportunity for the administration and what's happening in over there is completely fucked up. But I need to know how they're failing. And I need to do that work

because it's obviously not going to be able to come from Brittany from jail and Russia. And what's happening to her is totally fucked up. But it's really not the Biden administration's fault if I'm being honest with you.

I don't think anybody's saying that. Right. Yeah, but they're not saying that, but there's an implication that if they can't solve the problem, that it's in some way of failing. And I want to know, in order for that to be true, I need to know how you would solve that problem. But are you asking people to do something that they have no power to do? Like, that's why I said when you gave me the example about the cook, like, I'm hungry. What are you going to do about it? I have the power to feed you.

But with the Britney situation, you're asking people to do, like to be more specific or strategic or, you know, like strap themselves with, I guess, the knowledge of what the administration can do. Even if they do that,

they're still not going to have the power to get it done. I know, but that's my point, though. My point is if you don't have, if I'm asking you to feed me a steak because I need protein

and you don't have any steak, then it's a dove. Right. So, so, so my, my point is in this particular situation, the we are Brittany shirts are great. All the awareness is great. When we find somebody to blame, we need to know what we're blaming them for. Totally agree. Blaming them from not not being able to get Britney out is that's that's too wide of a net to me. I agree. Like, like we need to hear. We ask the president to do this. We ask him to talk to this person. We ask him to call this person. We ask him to hold this. We ask him to hold this. We ask him. asking to do that and they refuse to do it. And then we need to hear from the White House from why. I think that going forward, I don't think it's a bad idea to be able to do all of this stuff, to be able to have that conversation. Who knows?

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Chevrolet, together let's drive. Visit chevy.com slash trucks to explore the lineup. All right, Chris Broussard. It's talking about Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant, we don't know where he's going to go. Have you been following the Kevin Durant saga? Oh, yeah, we don't know where he's going to go. I'm following it loosely.

Do you guys talk about it at all? That's your boy. Did you talk about it? Now, did you talk about it? Nope. I think you know I'm a little bit better than I do. No, I don't. I don't.

I don't. I don't. But there were some people at the party last night, I could ask. Oh, Rachel, you got it. Rachel, do you ever want to get the scoop? No, I just like to have a good time. I'm bad at my job. I want to call, I want to call you.

Rachel Scoop Lindsay Why are you excited because I'm not giving you any scoop though I'm so excited about Rachel's scoop Lindsay Rachel we got to have because you're so many places mixing it up with the movers and the shake eyes That's you not me

One scoop from Rachel per month Rachel scoop Lindsay I used to get scoops You don't have any scoops Okay fine No nothing Nothing other than people

You know scoops man You're holding back I can tell right now You talked Who is at the party That you could have talked to About this Who's at the party

Which basketball players were there That I even remember seeing Tristan Thompson Oh wow Don't touch you Rudy go fair Russell Russell was there

No, you're not going to get, you name three niggas It's not going to give you any scoops You're like you're like, you like, you name three niggas That I have no scoops for Shee Tristan Thompson will sooner give you a kid than a scoop When we go bare will sooner give you COVID than a scoop

And Russell Westbrook got a lot Self-explanatory Yeah That's self-expletatory. You know, That's funny. All right. So we don't know, but Fox Sports

pundit. Chris Brousard. I call him Red Broussard. Oh, like DeAndre Jones here. Things are coming back to me from that party. That's the closest I could get to him. DeAndre. Okay, Chris Broussard.

Chris Broussard is talking about the possibility that Kevin Durant, KD, the Slamma, Reefer. might end up in in Toronto. Then he let go with this salvo about Toronto. Great city, but Twine, you know, it's not America and you feel it. When you're there, I'm telling you, especially as an African American. It's a different situation than African Americans are used to being in.

And they've all, I've talked to people in that organization pre-UJiri about can they keep African-American superstars here? This had my Toronto homies in the blender. Like my friend

Marlon Palmer who we've had on this very podcast, Marlon Palmer Bona Boy on Twitter who we've had on this dude, that dude McFly, who we've had on this very

podcast, my homie, my friend, leapt into the diaspora wars as triggered by this particular statement. That's what Marlon had to say. In a sense deleted tweet, the heat was too much for Marlon. Marlon's a great guy. But I don't forget, he said, American black people act like their lived experience is so different from every other black person on the planned it. Y'all not special. We all oppressed laughing my ass off with one, two, three, four, five, six o's. Now, Chris Brousard has since challenged this backlash. It's come back. He says, I never said that blacks are treated worse in Toronto than in America. Never. That's ridiculous. I said, living there is very different and not the same as living in America for blacks. Very diverse city, but just 8% black.

I love visiting Toronto, visiting. So two things are correct here. One is Chris Bussard is completely out of his depth, as far as I'm concerned, talking about what it's like living as a black American in Toronto. If he's never lived as a black American in Toronto. Now, you might have heard it from a bunch of people, which I'm sure he has. And I'm not saying that what he's saying. He didn't even say that. What?

That he's heard it from a bunch of people. He was talking like it was first-hand experience. He did say that. He said that in the clip is a little longer. He says he's heard he's talked to some players, right? So he's talked to some players. Uh-huh. Right?

So if he has never lived in Toronto as a black person, he can't tell us what it's like to live in Toronto as. But I'm sorry, you can't do that, Chris. Chris, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do that, Chris. And it did seem like he was coming at the Toronto, my Toronto people, my Raptors fans who, of course, love me. But at the same time, I will say this.

Number one, places are different culturally. And I don't know if Chris Massar knows this, but you might go to Toronto, which is a foreign country, right? It's Canada is not America and be like, yo, there are certain things about being in America that I miss. You might feel that way about going from New York to L.A. People say New York to L.A. I can't fucking fuck with L.A. So obviously, if you leave America and go to a foreign country as a black American, you might have trouble connecting to the culture there because even though it's black

culture and culture of the diaspora, it is different. So that's not a controversial thing to say that there are some black players that might not want to live in Canada. That's not a controversial thing to say. All right. what I do have a problem with overall though is this I am sick and fucking tired of other parts of the diaspora immigrants from other places here that look for any reason possible to shit on black Americans yeah I am sick of this shit what the fuck man we've had a bunch of different times academics did an interview Well, shout out to Act. Academics did an interview where in this interview he talked about what it was like being an immigrant and what the mentality of the black American kids was here when he got here. We had Garcel Beauvais on this show. Love Garcel Beauvais. Love her. But she talked about in a slightly, in my opinion, loved her. We discussed it when she was here, a slightly pejorative way about what the black kids were going through here and how an immigrant.

an immigrant experience changed it. And now we have, we always have, of course, people outside of the country, people outside of America saying these same things about black Americans. And I gotta be real with you, man. Like, I get that everyone has a specific tie and reverence and love for their culture.

And I get that black Americans are not the best at sometimes being welcoming you know, I won't even say that because I haven't really experienced that. I'm saying that I've heard from people that sometimes black Americans can be, there was the African booty scratcher thing back in the day, right? Sometimes it's whatever. But to me, to be honest, I'm going to be real with you. All I see as is black Americans here in this country being on the forefront of global trends

of music, art, and culture that makes a global. global connection throughout the diaspora of being people who have birthed some of the leaders who've like more than anyone, anyone been responsible for the consciousness of of Pan-Africanism, of understanding, even in being disconnected from a continent that is rightfully ours in terms of our birthright and who we are and where we come from. I've seen black Americans want to have a connection.

to black people everywhere. That's what I've seen. And I've seen our music and our culture being embraced everywhere. And I've seen a oneness by that. I've seen, to be honest with you, an emulation of black culture here in America, black American culture here in America, everywhere. I think it's beautiful when it happens. And I think it's beautiful when we emulate black people from Toronto, from the islands,

from Africa, from anywhere of black people are. I think the oneness of that is amazing. But I'm not about to get kicked in my ass worldwide by black people from everywhere else that feel like the niggas from here are the dog shit. So I'll never go ahead. I'm sorry. No, I mean, all very well said. I never had experienced that until I went to college. And I realized that there was a separation between that, like almost a.

if a talking down to or they felt like they were better than us, like coming from a different country, a different other place than this. Oh, wait, you froze for a second. Then the States, I'd never experienced that. And in talking to people from different countries, from Africa or black people from Africa or from the islands, I have been told, at least it's been my experience that they are taught that they're, that they're, I don't want to say better than us, but like they work harder, that they, like they appreciate and value things better than black Americans do here, which is why they differentiate themselves. I have been told that from various, but I don't know if you've experienced that. So like when you, I agree with every single thing that

you said, but I'm not shocked by it after I learn that a lot of them when they come here, look down on us because that is what they've been taught. And it's a mindset that they still continue to carry. And I'm shocked by that because I've never, I had never experienced that since college. And I've seen it since college too. Let me ask you a question. What if that were true?

I'm not saying that it is, but let's say it was true. Let's say it was true that for some reason, immigrant groups or people from all over the diaspora have a different appreciation and value. for American freedom and opportunity when they come to America, right? Let's say that that were true. Can you give me any maybe obvious reasons why that would exist?

Does it take that much brain power to understand why a second or third generation of American oppression and fascism, to be honest with you, would have. have a different outlook on their country than somebody who really just got here? And if that's the case, why on God's Green Earth would you blame the people that have been there for that and not the systems that designate those attitudes? Do you even understand what it is that we're talking about? So what I'm saying is from the Chris Brewster statement to Marlon's statement, Marlon, who I love, who's a very funny guy, who has a great podcast. On his own, you should go listen to Marlin's podcast.

I'm going to plug it right now. I think it's called, we hate black people. No, it's called, it's the extra gravy show. It's the extra gravy show. It's the name of Marlon's podcast. You should go check Marlon out. Marlon is great. But this is not constructive.

And the diaspora wars that we have, they are not constructive. and they're not constructive when we do it as black Americans. No. Like we're black. Why do we keep trying to make this false, false hierarchy inside of our own diaspora? We're black and we need to work in unison. And even if we can't work in unison, even if that's pie in the sky, don't kick each other in the nuts. Yeah.

Yeah. The my black is better than your black is never good for us. Stop. Stop. I know you, you don't, you definitely don't like that. You hate it. See, we've had that between us even. We've had that between us even.

We've had that between us. We have. All right. Arrest warrant issued, excuse me, arrest warrant for the woman who accused Emmett Till found nearly 70 years later in court basement. Jesus Christ. A team searching the basement of a Mississippi courthouse for evidence about the lynching of Black teenager Emmett Till has found an unserved warrant charging a white woman with

195 kidnapping. It tells relatives who initiated to search warrant authorities to finally arrest her nearly 70 years later. A warrant for the arrest of Caroline Bryant-Dunham identified as Ms. Roy Bryant on the document. Discovered last week, it's out of file folder that had been placed in a box. Wow. The arrest warrant against Dunham was publicized at the time,

but the LaFleau County Sheriff told reporters he did not want to bother the woman since she had young children to care for. Fuck! Now in her 80s and most recently living in North Carolina, Dunham has not commented publicly on calls for her prosecution, but cousin Terry Watts said the Till family believes the warrant accusing Dunham of kidnapping amounts to new evidence. This is what the state of Mississippi needs to go ahead.

District attorney, Dwayne Richardson, whose office would prosecute a case, declined comment on the warrant but cited a December report about the Till case from the Justice Department which said no prosecution was possible.

It's not going to happen. Rachel, your thoughts? Listen, I mean, this is when I read this story and I read about the arrest warrant, which I never even, did you know that that ever existed? Did you know that there was a warrant out for arrest?

Okay. So I didn't know if this was something I just missed. I had no idea. about it, when I thought about it, I was like, it's almost hard for me to even comment about my thoughts other than how ridiculous this story is and the fact that there was this warrant, the fact that she couldn't be bothered because she had two children. This is for the family.

This is for Emmett Till's family. And it's like, I just want to respect and do whatever they want to do. So if they feel she should be arrested, she should be arrested now. If they want some kind of statement and they want the process of the DA's office in that county to do something about it, then I'm 100% for it. If this is going to give them some of peace, if this is going to give them closure, I am 100% behind what the family feels on this one, because they are the ones who are directly affected by this. And it's sad that all these years later, they're still having to deal with this and new evidence is coming out in regards to something

that was such a tragedy, not just to this nation, but to them specifically because they're the ones who, you know, obviously, um, is personal for them. You want her in jail? If they want her in jail, I want her in jail. Shit, she should have gone to jail back then. Yeah, lock her up. What am I saying? Put her in jail.

Yeah. I mean, I be honest with you. Like, I don't care if she goes to jail. That's why I say this is for, if the, that's why I say it's what the family wants. I do. She should have gone to jail back then. So it's like, that's why I'm just like, she's been living. She's been living.

free, carefree, all these years. Block her up. She found some way to make herself the victim. She already has. She had children to care for. She had children to care for. She's in the 80s. You know what that tells me is that we're inside the lifespan of Emmett Till.

Emmett Till could and should still be alive today. Killed the boy for nothing. It's like, and this is the problem. This goes back to what we were just talking about. We got to deal with all of this. And then we got to deal with criticism from other black people as well. Just getting our asses kicked.

I'll tell you what, man. I know that black people everywhere are oppressed. It's fucking obvious. So what I want us to do is just please keep our eye on the ball. God damn it, in this particular case, I don't, you know, I got to be honest with you. I tried to be nice about it. I got to be real.

I don't give a fuck if she goes to jail in Siberia for a million years. I think that's what she belongs. I'll be honest with you. I don't fucking care. There's a part of me that goes, oh, lady, don't put her in jail. What's the point of it? The point of it is a life was lost.

I don't even get pure revenge, actually. Not even any justice. Put her in jail right now. Put her in Angola in the men's jail. The boy got, like, he got, he got beat, he got the shit beat out of him for no fucking reason. Put her in a men's jail. jail. Like, I don't care what happens. Jail, jail, jail. Jail.

Rachel, this has been the podcast of angst. Okay. This is, this is P.O.A. Podcasts of angst is what has been this entire time. It's been angsty, angsty, angsty. All we've had is fucking criticism by black. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot going on. It's like a podcast of angst. We are going to do on Thursday. A good news Rosie podcast. We're going to try. We're going to try.

Because the shit goes down. It might not happen. Thursday, we might do a whole podcast of pleasantries. We might do the whole. It might all be pleasantries. We might start off with the pleasure trees. We first of all, Donnie the snake killer.

You know what I mean? Fucking ice cube from Anaconda. Donnie, like, like, Donnie the snake, like, Donny the snake killer will be back. Like, with,

with an update on what fucking happened to the snake. Man, man, free my dog, snakey, bro. Free my dog. Like, free my dog,

snakey, man. Stop. Okay. He's got a name now. Kill it, Donnie. Kill it. Free my dog.

Take a picture. Send it to van. No. I'm telling you. Donnie, call the wildlife and fisheries. They're going to be so mad at us. No,

they won't. Call the, wildlife and fisheries. Call them, right? You call the wildlife and fishery. Like, they'll come down there. And the nigger that comes from the wildlife and fisheries is going to love snakes so much.

You're going to have made his day. He's going to be like, where's he at? Where's he at? We caught one or two counties over that was 12 feet. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You never know what these guys. They're wildly. Let me show you.

He loves this. This is what he loves. There's one guy somewhere that his whole life, one caught snakes. And when he became a dog, he didn't know that he could spend his whole life catching snakes, Don't call him. He'll come catch the snake. Don't kill Snakey.

Justice for Snaky. We got to go. It is. It's delirious. He's delirious. I'm losing. I'm losing it. I'm losing it.

They took their thinking caps off 10 minutes ago. They took off a long time ago. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.