Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Kamala’s Code Switch, and the Reparations Movement in Peril

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the death of Fatman Scoop (8:10), before digging into conversations surrounding Kamala Harris’s accent (15:10). Then, Lee Daniels stirs up controversy for his new horror film (29:30), and an NFL executive gets recorded insulting the league (40:46). Finally, the chair of the California Reparations Task Force, Kamilah Moore, joins to discuss the blocking of a pair of bills by the Black Caucus (49:24). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Kamilah Moore Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, no, no, no, no, no, the Warriors, what is up? Higher Learning is on and Zad Van Lacey Jr. And it is me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel's in New York. I'm in New York. Van is in L.A. Get used to it. Yeah, we're doing it.

Rachel, you going to the U.S. Open? I went Tuesday. I had a blast. Apparently, me and my girl group were all over ESPN. I think they were like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't join themselves, having a good old time. I went, I went with Grey Goose.

Oh, my gosh. God. What is this? What, what, Van? I went with gray goose. Yeah. I went with... Do you think that, given some narratives about you, that you should be traipsing around New York with gray goose, you're doing, you know what I mean? In that kind of like Charlie Sheen being sponsored by cocaine? Jesus. No, it is not.

I don't even drink vodka like that. but they had like a nice little setup with mixed drinks like like the honey deuce and it was actually really good. I had a great time with my friends and it was so much fun to watch the match and it was a really, really good match. Tiafo won. He's playing in the semifinals.

The day you guys are getting this. So today. Yeah. People love him. And then I'm working it on Saturday. Yay. Tommy Alter. That's very nice, by the way.

Is Tommy there? Look it is. Look at this. Oh, thank you. That's what I'm talking about. Rachel got a white woman bringing her her coffee. That's what I'm talking about. Bring me some coffee, Becky.

Did y'all see that right there? It's so good. We then came up. We then came up. We'll take our reparations. We'll take our reparations. We got Camilla Moore on the show later. Rachel, she came.

She got a great guest on the show. You like that. She was happy to bring her to coffee, too. We have another guest on the show today, too. Who? I mean, at this point, I feel like, Like that's what we have to call him. Who you talking about?

Spence a month. Who you talking about? You know who you are. What the hell are we talking about? He gave himself this theme. He gave himself this theme, music. Donnie. I did.

But love that you were ready, Donnie. Love that you were ready. I'm like, what? Donnie, first of all, that's disrespectful. You guys, Donnie is back. Give him a round of applause. Donnie, put some clapping in right there. Donnie, that's disrespectful.

You ain't no baby daddy, man. You're a husband. I used to get mad at TMZ. about that shit. TMZ would say, oh, her baby daddy did that. I'm like, that's not her baby daddy, man. That's her husband, man. I ain't no baby daddy. Donnie. Welcome back. How you doing, brother? Donnie wants to call himself

that. I'm glad to be back. I'm glad to be back. It feels good. Glad to be back at work. The six months off was very refreshing. I feel recharged. I feel like that's something that, honestly, moms across the board should have dads, too. Like, let's

like expand parental leave across the board. because it like is a crucial time. It felt really good. Seeing all these little moments, Junie growing into a six-month-old baby and he's going to continue that growth. It's just crazy.

It's good. I feel good. Insert some pictures if you don't mind. You might not want to show your baby, but insert some pictures. Blurred space out though. Yeah, I think that's what I'll do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're glad to have you back, Donnie.

Ashley, by the way, I want to take this time to just remark on how clutch Ashley was in the time that Donnie was gone. The learning curve was very, very fast and furious. But Ashley is an absolute talent, a soldier. And in many ways, our show became something different and special by the time in the time, should I say, that Donnie was gone with Ashley's own style and the way she does things. So I just wanted to take this time to shout out of Ashley and all her hard work during the time. Ashley was working four jobs.

Thank you. We have four different hats. Neld it down. She was doing so much. So at this time, Ashley, you can take six months off. Because I want to. Rachel, that's awesome about the U.S. Open, by the way, that you're going to be covering the U.S. Open up there. It's great.

Thank you. I did a big manifestation on Monday night. And one of the things, see, I hate when you get this look on your face. What? I'm supporting you. The legal was involved in this as well. The whole girl group did it.

Our little sex in the city crew. Okay. Do you know the sex in the city? characters. Yes. So I was going to ask you to guess who you thought was who in our group. I don't want to do that. Fine.

Anyways, the whole group got together, had a big, we all were manifesting. And one of the things on my list happened in the next 12 hours, and that was getting this job opportunity. Came out of nowhere. Okay, so this is the group. Your, okay, so this is the group. I would say that Kalika's Carrie. No.

I'm not going to say anything. until you finish. You're a carry. You'd have to be care. Kalika is so Nina would be Samantha. Who else is in the group? Give me the other people. Kalika, Molly. Molly is damn, Molly might be Samantha. No, Kalika's Miranda. Kaleak is definitely Miranda.

is Nina is Samantha and then Molly is the one that was married to the ball hit a guy Charlotte Charlotte. Yeah. Is that right? Did I get it right? Ding ding, ding, ding, ding! You nailed it.

You nailed it. That is exactly right. Now, I got to ask you one question before we move on with the show. Since you go into the U.S. Open, I want you to finish this lyric because, you know, I came on with the sex in the city stuff. I want you to finish this lyric. I got the U.S. Open, Advantage. Open.

I got, yo, I got the U.S. Open Advantage and then he says his name. Huh? Oh. I was trying to ride it.

See, because I know your stuff. Do you know my stuff? I got the U.S. Open Advantage blank. Does anybody know? Jigger. Jigger.

I was going to say, JZ, but I just was so afraid to be wrong. That's crazy, man. I was going to say, JZ. I would also like to say this. I appreciate everybody's thoughts and concerns.

I am not dating anybody. I was not with anybody at the U.S. Open. I was with a group of friends. And it is wild to me that a screenshot from a video can be taken and people can just completely run with it, just doubting everything that I've said, coming at me in different ways. What are you saying?

Nothing. Yeah. I appreciate y'all, but you couldn't be more wrong. Okay. I'm out here having a good time. But by the way, just want to let you know, we got to move on. But whoever this nigga is, you just say, fuck him. Okay?

I would never. That's what you just said. We're not dating. You remember anything? Do you remember back? I just met him in my, that's sweet that night. Do you remember back in like high school and middle school when you used to be like, oh, she like so-and-so?

And then she would be like, ew. And then I was like, I always felt bad for the guy. I, because I'll be like, there's no reason for you to dis him. Like, why you got to dis him? Or even when it went the other way, it's like, hey, man, he liked. And he was, oh, no, I don't like. I'm like, why you got to just be like, nah, it's not, you know, don't make it such a big deal about it. That's exactly what I said.

This was a, this is a very handsome man. And I have a really cute picture, but then at the way people were talking, I was like, nope. Nope. It's not that. But he's very handsome. No, it's not an ew. It's just, that's not what it is, guys. Not what it is.

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while he was performing at Hamden Town Center Park. There was video of it, very, very tough video to watch. I do not advise anyone to watch it. He collapsed on stage. People feared the worst, and then the worst happened. Fat Man Scoop, you know, from all types of different songs, Missy Elliott, just an amazing hype man, an amazing artist, an amazing person.

him and I had contact. We started having contact back in the pandemic a little bit before then, and he was just an amazingly supportive, cool dude to talk to, especially during some times where I wasn't feeling the greatest. It was just fantastic that somebody like that had to concern about you to reach out when you didn't even know him and talk to him. And he was just always full of good energy. His family honored him in a post, remembering him as a father, uncle, and friend, and a world-class performer.

He was the laughter in our lives, a constant source of support, unwavering strength, and courage. Fat Man's group was known to the world as the undisputed voice of the club. His music made us dance and embrace life with positivity. I can't think of a better way to sum him up. Rachel, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, you really said it all right there. I feel like he was so a part of, you know, the music. and even the movies, kind of the soundtrack, that voice, that energy of our moments in the club,

college, movies that, you know, hold a special place in like the black culture. It's nobody sounded like him. And I didn't, I don't know much about him at all personally. I feel like I was learning more from stories that you tell or what I'm reading like the post with his family or just even the outpouring. support that is coming from, you know, celebrities and other people that knew him. He just really seemed like an all-around great guy. And, you know, someone who's definitely going to be missed.

And nobody, it's always sad when somebody passes away and sudden makes it difficult, too. But I did appreciate you saying it was, he was doing something that he loved. And I don't think that makes it any easier, but at least he was doing something he loved. All right. I tend to ramble when I'm too emotionally invested in something, and that's a lot because I don't regulate my emotions very well. By the way, I want everybody to know that I'm working on that. I'm working on regulating my emotions so I can be a better communicator. But I do want to say something real quick.

In America, the life expectancy for Asian men is 84.5 years. For white men, it is 77.5 years. for black men, it's 69.1 years. Father passed away, as everybody knows. He was 66 years old. My father's brother passed away, 55, 68, and 67. Nobody made it to 70. Louisiana, this life expectancy for black men is even lower than 69,

lower than the national average. So you might look at, some of the men in my family, my uncle Charles, a lot of the mothers, and say that they didn't live very long, but it's pretty much on par for what it is down there in Louisiana. I want to stress something to black men. There's a lot of revolutionary things you can do in America. You can rage against the machine. You can protest. You can build economic ladders. You can coalesce in a lot of different ways. A lot of different ways you can position your revolution and enact your revolution. A lot of different things you can do. The most revolutionary thing that you can do as a black man

in this country is to live. That's the most revolutionary thing that you can do. Black men, their utility in America is to be used their bodies, their minds, their souls for the chief amount of commerce that they can produce since they got here. And then after they've given all that to the engine of the country to die, like right after, going from slavery into Jim Crowe, into the 70s, 80-90s. You're strong. You give to America. You give to America.

However you give, whether it's to commerce of America, whether it's to the prison, industrial complex. whether it's to the oppression narrative of America, then after the country is used you for all of the strength that you have, then you die. It's over. So in your 50s and your 60s, you check out after you've been beaten and battered. The most revolutionary thing that you can do is to live on

and to pass on your knowledge and your wealth and your vitality to the next generation of black men, to the next generation of black women, to the next generation of black people, to learn from your mistakes, to grow out of your mistakes, to age beautifully, wisely, and gracefully.

That's the most revolutionary thing that you can do as a black man in this country. So if you really want to be a part of changing the narrative for black people, for your community, just live. And do what's necessary.

to be here for your families, to be here for your community. Just live. And I mean that, like, so sincerely, man. Like, just survive. All right, let's move on. Okay. I can't do a school shooting right now.

I'm too emotional. Do the code switching. Make laugh about something. All right. Kamala Harris. She's code switching, Rachel. She's pulling, Rachel, have you ever code switched? I do it all the time.

Wow. You know, a lot of people wouldn't, like, a lot of people... Well, we need to admit it. Like, a lot of people wouldn't admit to it. Rachel, when do you code switch? But I don't realize I'm doing it. So, you know, I think there is an accidental code switching. Right. Like it's not intentional. I don't walk in saying, oh, this is a different scene. Let me be this way. But I just think naturally when you're talking to one group of people that may be different from a completely other group of people, it naturally, you switch it up a little bit. You might get a little bit more loose. You might get a little bit more uptight. We talked about it on this podcast. You used to say there are three rachel. There's Bachelor Rachel. There's Extra Rachel. There's higher learning Rachel. Some might call that code switching.

I'll agree. I'll give you my opinion on that after we dive into whether or not Kamala Harris is co-switching. Okay. This is coming from the Trump campaign, by the way. So us even talking about this is diving into this in a way that's kind of fucking stupid, but like whatever. So they posted a video on X that is side-by-side rallies from Detroit and Pittsburgh. Donnie, run the audio of Kamala Harris code switching, allegedly code switching.

You better thank a union member for paid leave. For vacation time. Okay. Wow, the zoom out. Now, what the fuck is going on with that camera? That camera is like being controlled by that little dog, doll Megan. It's like the camera's a ghosting machine. Like, what the fuck is happening?

The camera just zoomed out. If I'm because it's trying to find me. So like, make it do it again. Make it zoom. All I want to do is zoom. Okay, do you feel, do you feel like that's code switching? Unintentionally. Hmm.

I mean, okay. For example, when my mom goes home to Houston, South Park, with her brothers and sisters. She's so good. South Park. She doesn't sound the same. We joke. We'll be like, mm-mm,

that ain't Kathy. You know, I don't even remember what the other name we give her is. There's just something that comes out of you when you might feel

a little bit comfortable and you're around your people. And if you want to label that code switching, fine. But it's not an intentional thing

where she's being somebody that she's not. She's just a little bit more relaxed in that setting. I can relate to that. As I said, I see, my mom do it. I've seen other people. I'm sure, you know, I've got friends from Jamaica.

When they're around, their people from Jamaica, their accent is so much more stronger than it is here. Right. Nope, not the same thing. You're shaking your head. There's a thing. But this is my thing about code switching, though. And this is the thing about code switching. Okay. Language is a tool. So you, that's all it is. So when you use language, you use it in the most effective way. Like you use a hammer to hammer a nail. You could use your boot or you could use anything to hammer a nail, right? Anything that has the way to put the nail in the wall. The most effective thing to use is the right tool. And that's the same thing language is. It's a tool. So wherever you go, you use language in the way that you need to in order to be heard in the most effective way. Code switching to me, there's an intentionality behind it.

Code switching to me is making yourself more palatable in a room with people who are other than you to gain their acceptance or approval. So to me, if you're in a place and you're code switching, in my opinion, you're dimming or lessening yourself and you're doing it on purpose. If I'm in Baton Rouge,

I am going to talk and communicate in the places in Baton Rouge in the way that I know those people will be able to understand me. And if I'm in a different place, I'll do the same in kind. So you code switch? I don't code switch.

I don't code switch at all. It's not a code switching. Code switching would be if I'm in a room to me, in my opinion, code switching is an intellectual thing to where I change the intonation of my voice. I change the thoughts that are coming out. I become something else when I'm in a different room.

I'm the same person using different language. I'm not going to be around. A lot of people have asked why I don't say, when I'm on a rewerew. watchables or when I'm on the big picture, why I don't say the N word. You know why I don't say the N word? Because if I were to say the N word and they were to laugh at it in a certain way, I would be uncomfortable.

Why would I say the N word or be that version of myself an outside company? Not that those guys aren't my friends, but it doesn't make any sense to do that there because it could make it weird. So it's not code switching. It's to me using the appropriate jargon for a lot of different reasons when you're in different settings. That's not code switch.

I'm the same van. I'm just using the different tools. So I don't think she's code switching here at all. She did kind of sound, you know, a little bit like Coretta Scott King in one video. Play Detroit. Play Detroit. Leave your better.

Vacation time. It was just preaching. She was preaching. She was preaching. And then we're hyping her up. You know, you get hyped up. You really get going. Like, oh, the crowd is, they're kind of feeling this.

Let me stay in this lane. There's got to be a word, though, for that. I agree. I think we all agree. She's not code switching. I said I code switch. I said accidental, unintentionally, right? A relaxed code switching.

There's got to be a term for that. Because I think most people do that. You adapt to your setting, your situation. I talk totally different to my friends. my group of black girlfriends than I do with my other girlfriends. By the way, white people do this too, because I'm in rooms with white people when we're just talking and the way that they talk and they're getting these. Hi, how you doing? But look, they're also, I think the more interesting thing is black politicians' MLK switching.

Black politicians sound more like Martin Luther King Jr. the more they talk. I remember when Obama used to first talk and it would just be like, Like, it was great. Now you hear Obama, it's like, we're going to get it done in Nebraska. We're going to fill up the halls in Philadelphia. And like, you can tell that when they get up there, there's a very clear inspiration sometimes. They get a little bit more Baptist preacher. The more time that they, to me, a lot of them, the more time they spend talking to the big audiences.

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Real quick, this story just popped up. We're not going to spend a ton of time on it, but it's shocking. There was a DOJ indictment that just came out that alleges that Russian operatives have illegally provided $10 million to fund videos, particularly with American right-wing social media accounts. Let's get this right because people are threatening lawsuits back and forth about this. There's a company called Tenet Media, and they have affiliated personalities, including Benny Johnson, and the Cultural War podcast host Tim Pool. Now, if you know who Tim Pool is, he's a huge YouTuber, has his gigantic YouTube space,

a lot over a million subscribers, the Timcast is what he does. Apparently this company tenant media funded people, like Tim Poole, gave them hundreds of thousands of dollars for videos. And this company is allegedly funded by Russian money. Very important that we say this. The people that are alleged to have received the money that is connected to Russian operatives did not know that they were doing so. So Tim Poole, Benny Johnson,

Dave Rubin, people like that, there's no allegation that they were in direct concert with any foreign agent. There wasn't. The allegation is that there are people,

including a woman named Lauren Chin, who is a big person on turning point media, a big person in right-wing circles, that did know that this, money was coming in. Did.

Did know. Put it you like, did know that this money was coming in from sources in Russia. It was being sourced to this mysterious oligar from Russia. But apparently any

little bit of digging into this guy would tell you that he wasn't a real guy. That they did know. And so what they would do was spread the money around to these different sources and then influenced them to make

the type of videos that they wanted them to make. There was a particular story where there was a producer's discord. Discord, of course you guys know is like a chat feature that you can have or whatever, but there was a producer's discord where this producer was

influencing one of these various content creators to put up a video that was described as a major American media person going into a supermarket in Russia. Of course, that's Tucker Carlson. You guys remember that video of Tucker Carlson going into a supermarket in Russia and then talking about how awesome it was.

He did a bunch of different things. Oh, this is great in Russia. This is great in Russia. They wanted them to put that up. And then actually in this discord, somebody that worked for one of the content creators came back and said, I'm not going to lie, it kind of just seems like a shill video. Like it doesn't seem like something that we would do.

but they were being coerced to put the video up. And so then they ended up putting the video up. It's not necessarily that these people knew that this was connected to Russian money. However, we should say, Tim Poul de Rubin, the other people who have been identified in this indictment were paid enormous sums of money to post video content

that simply was not generating the type of revenue that you would expect for the amount of money that they were being paid. We're talking about sometimes $100,000 for eight-minute videos that would have less than 8,000 views on these various channels that they were making the videos for. So there are some people out there who believe that they should have known

that this money was coming from a nefarious place and that this wasn't on the up and up. But it's an important story to highlight and all the nuts and bolts are still being rolled out because for a long time there have been allegations all over the place that a lot of the things that piss you guys off online that trigger you are being given to you by sources, by foreign agents from all over the place,

be it Qatar, be it the Russians, be it the Ukraine, be it Israel, be it whoever wants you to believe something that they have an active effort and they are using American content creators if not agents for them, but certainly useful idiots for them to put this stuff out there. And I would say that if the DOJ is looking

this deeply into this, there are a lot of people in a lot of different spaces who there's been chatter about who they're being paid by and I think it's high time that we found out. Well, I think we should find out too. I mean, I hate for there to be more of this.

I'm sure if you dig deep into it, there is. But, I mean, I'm learning this story from you. So I guess we'll follow it and keep everybody updated. Just want everybody to look it up. There are a couple of people here who once again did not know. What the fuck is going on in this building? There's a couple of people here who didn't have any clue about what was going on in this. They've, you know, Rubin has put out a statement.

Tempul has put out a statement. Most of these people have put out statements. But then there were people at the top of this that literally, when payment didn't come through the way they wanted to come through, they searched, like how to go to Moscow, they Google, all of this stuff. It's all in the indictment if you guys want to read it. We'll have more about it as we learn more about it. And we'll talk a little bit deeper about some of the misinformation campaigns

that exist across some of these different content creators in these different lines and what that means for democracy and for the information that we're putting in our heads. Rachel, why don't you talk about this? This is something that you wanted to discuss Lee Daniels. Well, it's everywhere.

We have to discuss it. You didn't want to talk about it. No, no, no, no. I'm into it because I watched it and I'm trying to figure out what he was. I thought I was the one who did the work and watched the movie so nobody else. So y'all didn't have to.

I couldn't make it through the whole thing. That shit is crazy. I'm curious as to what part you stopped on. It started off. I watched like the first 20. minutes. It started off good to me. It took a turn. But you guys, this has been everywhere. Lee Daniels, which the movie is doing great on Netflix, by the way. I don't know if it's still number one, but it was number one for a time. The movie is called The Deliverance. It's loosely based on the

true story of a real demonic possession, and it follows a single mother, Ebony, and her three children who are tormented by a demon. Now, that's not what has everybody talking. It's not the fact that This is a horror movie, kind of like an exorcist, which I love scary movies. So I'm into this kind of stuff. And you haven't really seen this story told by black characters. So that should have been probably the conversation. Instead, a lot of the conversation was centering around Glenn Close, who plays the main character's mother. So Andre is the main character.

Glenn Close plays her mother, and her name is Alberta. And a lot of people are talking, one, because I just saw this. still shot. I saw a shot the Glenn Close. You never really seen Glenn Close like this before. Then what got everybody talking was people, the movie came out. And there's a scene where Donnie actually, I can show y'all better than I can tell y'all. Donnie, can you play it? Can you play it? She could, so, I have a question and the question is a real question. I can set the scene for you if you need me too. I have a question. The question is a real question. And I want everybody to answer this. Can she smell the pussy or the naps?

Both. So the naps have a smell. Well, I think she's basically saying if the pussy has a smell, so do the naps. The naps would, she's saying she can smell the pussy and that the pussy is nappy? Or is she saying that she can, okay, go ahead. It smells. It smells. The point is it smells.

Okay, all right. But the reason that this went viral, somebody posted this clip and they said, Lee Daniels ought to be ashamed of himself for having Glenn Close say this, right? And it's not just that she says it. If you really listen into that audio clip, if you haven't seen the movie, and this is at the end of the movie,

she sniffs first. Yeah. Yeah, she sniffs the room. She was being for real. She smelled it. She could smell it. She could smell it. I went to see the movie

because I saw that clip posted first. And I was like, I don't want to. I have to. All right. So that had everybody talking. Lee Daniel's response to that being posted and all the conversations

surrounding Glenn Close was that he tweeted every black person knows an Alberta she's part of the fabric of our community but we've never seen her on screen before

thank you Glenn for bringing her magnificently to life this had people upset people were upset that he said she was her character as a white woman

living in a majority black neighborhood who had given birth to a black child that she's a fabric of the community. And he said we had never seen a character like that on screen before, which I don't necessarily agree with that. But you saw the tweet,

do you believe that a character like Alberta is a fabric of the black community? He says our community, but he's saying black community. No, fuck no. See, this is what I'm talking about when I'm talking about doing too much. And I have the Van Layton, and I'm proposing a segment for racial called Shut the fuck up

Because remember at the time you told him to shut the fuck up This is what I'm saying Too dramatic pushing in He's not totally wrong Like I know women like that Like the women that had the black kids Yeah Like in in South Baton Rouge

The women that had the black kids And they had no else to live They had to come live with us They had been kicked out of white society Like I know women like that. They're not a part of the fabric of the community. The fabric of the community are the pastors and the black mamas and the women. That's the fabric of the community.

The fabric of the community is what holds the community together. That's what fabric does. So I don't know why we got to overdo shit, man. Like, why? Like, Lee Daniels know better than that. Like, he was just trying to defend the foolishness that people will respond. to from the movie on Twitter. But he didn't have to, I,

he took it a step far and I don't think, I'm not going to say he meant to. I think he believes, he didn't mean to. I think he truly believes what he wrote there. And that's why, I do. And that's why I think it, nope, I think, and I think that that's why it's so problematic. It's, you know what this tweet is giving?

It's giving you're invited to the cookout. And a lot of black people, and that's why I say, I do think he meant it. Because it's spelled out in the, different way. So maybe it's a little, people are like, oh, I don't like it that way. But the whole, you see white people do something that they stereotypically don't normally do or they understand the black community in a way that they're not necessarily supposed to. Immediately, it's, are we going to invite them to the cookout? Do they get a seat at the table? That's what this tweet is.

And that's taking it too far. You don't reward somebody just because they understand something about the community or they live in the community because they've been outcast or spoiler alert if you watch this movie they prey on people in the black community there's a scene in this movie where and draday and glen close have a very fractured relationship as mother and daughter and and and jade goes off on her and she said you only want to be a part of this community when you're when you're trying to get another black man but when it comes to being down for us you aren't down and i think that that was like a really important scene. And maybe that's the kind of stuff that Lee Daniels is alluding to. But just because you live there, just because, you know, every black community has white people

living in it, you know, a few people. That doesn't mean that they're what makes us us. That's the problem with that. Yeah. It's a cookout tweet. It's even different. Saying that she's a part of the fabric of the community isn't saying that she's invited to the cookout. It's saying that she's throwing the cookout. Like it's saying it's saying that she's putting the cookout on, that the cookout is at her house. Like, no, I mean, look, man.

See, this is what I'm saying. Just don't do too much. We all know why. We all know that when they was right in the nappy pussy scene, they was like, we got one. We going viral. Obviously, making Glenn close,

and she had her teeth was fucked up, making Glenn close say nappy pussy, you're going viral. You go viral. more viral. But when you're trying to clean up the shit, don't come back and put Glenn clothes in the Obama family. Like, just like, you know what I'm saying? Don't, I don't know, man. It's like, Glenn, she wears wigs in this. I mean, she, granted, she's sick in the movie, but there's a scene also where she's, um, putting weave in Andrade's hair. And Ander Day's

braid in her daughter's hair. So it's like a generation. I think people didn't like that either. Yeah. Anyway. All right. Rachel, choice here. Rachel's choice. Do you want to do Judge Mathis or do you want to do what I think

is a fascinating story, which is the commanders suspending their VP for comments on the players, Jerry Jones and Roger Goodell? No, let's do the latter one because we don't need to talk about Judge Matthews using TV

camera to get right with his wife when I'm sure she was begging him in private to do it for years and this was the last straw for her and now he wants to go public with it. No, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing judgment. I'm not playing with Judge Mathis.

I'm not. I know that woman has been begging you to get right for years and now you want to be like I'm just trying to fight for my wife. Well, where was that energy all these other years? I'm not doing it. Let's go to the commanders. Just let you know real quick. We'll spend a a little while on it. It's a little bit.

Judge Mathis I'm not doing it. His wife getting a divorce, TMZ, as Judge Mathis about it, and he said he's trying to fix things with his wife. Rachel doesn't think that he's sincere in trying to fix things with his wife, is what you're telling me. I mean, it is kind of funny that he says the reason that he's, that she filed is because of neglect,

and there he is in an airport on his way to or from her. Like, he's not there. so he's not like go be home with your wife. You're saying it's neglect. Why are you here talking to TMZ? Go be with her. Go fix it. She's not watching TMZ.

You're doing this for show. You're doing this for everybody else. Oh, Judge Mathis, he's fighting for his wife. Well, how do we get here? Judge, how did we get here? I'm not, I'm not playing with Judge Mathis. Rachel, there's a lot of assumptions being made. That's all I'm saying in this situation.

Right. But what's not an assumption is that she filed. Yes. What's not an assumption is that he said he neglected her. What's not an assumption is he wasn't with her making these statements. He was in an airport on his way somewhere else. I'm not playing. We don't know why he was going where he was going.

We don't know maybe she doesn't want to see him right now. Maybe he's like acquiescing. her wishes. We don't know what's going on. But Rachel, it's fuck Judge Mathis. He can't possibly want his wife. No, it's not fuck Judge Mathis. It's just like, be for real. Just say, I'm trying to work on getting my wife back. I'm just, I'm trying to work. I'm just trying to work on it. You're like, I love her. We've been together for 40 years. We're trying to make it right.

It's just, it was, it was given a lot of camera work. Wow. Okay. All right. Rachel, fuck love Lindsay. Like, if you've been, if you've been married that long, I got to feel like, he probably feels like he lost a limb by losing his wife. And if you've been married that long, okay, okay, look. He probably, no, I agree with you. He probably does. But were you also working to nurture and keep that?

Obviously not. He said he neglected it. He neglected her, I mean. But he said he was faithful. Right. He wanted to get that clear. They don't want that assumption out there. Yeah.

Okay. We're going to play a little bit of this because I want more conversation than on this guy. There is a commander's VP of marketing. Excuse me. Actually, he's the vice president of content. Yeah.

Rael Eteen. He was suspended for comments that he made to an undercover reporter for O'Keeffe Media Group. Apparently there's something that they do where they meet people on dating apps

and then they tape the dates. What state was the sin? I guess it's not a two-party consent state. Can't be. But this is some of the stuff that he said when he was on this day. Okay, so just walk me through again, your breakdown. You're just description of the commanders players. Over 50% of our roster, right, is either white religious and God says, fuck the days.

And their interpretation. I don't buy a nanny that, so, but that's the facts. Another big chunk is very low-income African-American that comes from a community that is inherently very homophobic. I love hip-hop. Hip-hop is very homophobic. It's a cultural thing that I hope gets better, right? Like, Atlanta's a very interesting demographic.

It's southern, but, like, there's a very gay, black community. Before a very long time. When I was at TMZ, we did stories. One of the stories that we did was, obviously, Donald Sterling and statements that he made to V. Stiviano about Magic Johnson that then led to Donald Sterling losing the Clippers once people realized that there was a racist that was running one of the NBA's,

franchises. So they got together and they got down with certain one out of that. And everybody celebrated that because you don't want to race this like that and empower. I'm going to be honest with you. This feels different. Now, was some of the stuff that this guy said offensive? Absolutely. Like, without a doubt. Sure. He was giving opinions about people that I think to me are short-sighted. and very myopic. Okay? I do agree with that, right? But I think

meeting someone on a dating app and then taping the date because of who they are and when you listen to this conversation, basically entrapping them or in a way, intellectually chorusing them into giving these opinions

like she was interviewing him she was interviewing him and getting him to kind of give opinions that he probably wouldn't have said in person things that he thought for sure that he probably wouldn't have said in person

and then putting it out there it seems incredibly fucked up to me. Like, I don't think that there's really, to be honest with you, any value in this. I don't think that there's any value into any of it. I don't think the purpose, I agree with you. And I don't think the purpose for them was for value. The purpose is for viral. And a lot of these outlets do things to go viral, to have a moment, not because they're actually trying to do something that's worthwhile or meaningful

in any kind of way. But I mean, I guess I'm split on this. I agree with everything you're saying about the way that they went about this and what seems to be so disgusting with it, but also they went on two dates. So this is the second date. And this guy is talking about how dumb people are, yet he's dumb enough to say things. You don't know who this woman knows how she's connected to anybody and you're a VP of in a big organization who has an extremely troubled past very recently and you're going to go and talk about some of the biggest players in the organization that you're affiliated with and think that it's going to be okay like he's equally as dumb and so I guess if I look at it like yes what she's doing is problematic

and it is, I do say it feels like entrapment. He's also dumb enough to have this conversation, to say this, and I'm sure he said it to other people, too, who weren't recording him. But he's just as problematic to me. I find fault in both of them with this situation. I really do.

He essentially said that Jerry Jones is a racist. And by the way, this was recorded in D.C. and D.C. is a one-party consent state, meaning that you only need consent from one person. Like it's two-party consent state here in California. So if I tape you and you don't know that you're being taped, that is illegal. You cannot do that. But D.C. is a one-party consent state, which is fucking terrifying. So anytime you're on the phone with anyone

or doing anything in D.C., you could be getting taped and there's nothing fucking you can do about it. It's interesting in that way. I don't know. This seems to me, Donald Sterling and seemed to me to be somebody who had a very long history of racism. in a lot of different ways. And don't get me wrong, Vista Viano had her own reasons for releasing that stuff, and she definitely weaponized it.

And there was definitely a conversation, not necessarily inside of TMZ, but in culture around that time about whether or not someone should be held responsible for things that they say behind closed doors. So I do get people that would make a corollary between the two things. This right here,

V. Stibiano was taping him all the time, like with his, knowledge according to her. She was his archivist. She was taping them all the time with his knowledge. And then he said something. And then she was like, oh, my gosh, she sent it to the TMZ after things weren't going well between them.

It was definitely, definitely done to get back at him when she felt like she was being cut off. So I'm not in any way saying that she did this for any noble reasons. But I'm saying in this right here, this seems like it's done for the content. For sure. It seems like it's done specifically. as a gotcha to get someone who has a little bit of an important job or noteworthy job to get their true opinions on things. Opinions that while they're short-sighted, I mean,

it wanted a bunch of N-words or swastikas. It was him saying things that I don't think he has any business saying. Like, I don't think he has any business commenting on whether or not the black community is homophobic. I don't think he has any business commenting on whether or not the players in the NFL are dumb or not, whether he thinks that they're dumb or not, right? Or associating black people with homophobia or... That's what I said.

Yeah. And whether you like Roger Goodell or not, these are damaging comments that he's making, and he's a person with power and position. So he and himself should be a lot more careful in releasing some of this information because what he says holds some weight just because of who he is

and the position that he holds within his organization. Definitely deserves to be suspended. Yeah, for sure. But I really feel like he was preyed upon for the sake of content. He was. And to me, I just, I looked at this and I thought this was pretty fucked up. The irony. He was prayed upon for the sake of content, yet he is a, the head of content.

Yeah, head of content. Next up, you guys, the reparations movement in California is in peril. A dramatic turn of events Saturday night have stalled efforts to bring reparations. to the Black residents of California. And we have the former chair of the Reparations Task Force, Camila Moore, joining us to talk about what happened and what has to happen next.

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All right. You guys, the statement is as goes California, so goes the nation. And if that statement is true, we're in some trouble. Because California

was a state that in my opinion was leading the charge in the area of reparations. There was a reparations task force. There was real legislation on the table to address some of the historic disparities and oppression that black people have faced here in the state of California. But it's in peril now. It's in peril because of some things that happened in the California legislature. Just recently, this week, my text were getting blown up by this lady who joins us on higher learning. Camilla Moore.

who's an entertainment attorney, a peer attorney, and a repertory justice scholar, the chairperson of the California Reparations Task Force, she was sounding the alarm of what was happening and how the Black Caucus here in California was involved installing the reparations initiative that was in front of them.

I don't completely understand what happened and how things went sideways. Camilla, explain to us why the reparations movement in California is in peril and what specifically happened. I think it was Tuesday night. Yes, so the reparations movement is in peril, but we're revitalized after this event as well. So state senator Stephen Brafford, who's terming out, he served on the task force with me. He introduced two important reparations spills. one would create a reparations fund

and one would create a reparations agency particularly for descendants of American slaves two pieces of policy we really haven't seen since reconstruction with the Freedman's Bureau and the Freedmen's Bank and unfortunately what we saw this past Saturday was the California legislative

black talk is blocking those two bills from being heard on the assembly floor for a final vote. That would have been the final step if it was introduced by them on the floor and then passed by the assembly. That would have been the final step before it would go to Governor Newsom's desk for him to sign or veto. So the community really has answers. I mean, questions, excuse me. What would compel the California legislative black caucus to portray their own caucus member who was a vice chair of the caucus, Senator Stephen Bratford, but really matured, the entire Black American community.

Yeah. Why? Have they answered that question? Because I feel like I saw somewhere that they're saying that there's a misunderstanding of it. So it seems pretty straightforward when I hear you explain it. Camila, so what is it where things are getting lost in translation? Why did they block it? Have they provided any reason?

And is there any recourse? Yes. They have provided some reasons. I consider them to be excuses, but I won't. want to just translate their reasons in a non-biased fashion. So one of their reasons were, you know, they felt that Bradford shouldn't have introduced those bills individually. They said that, you know, he should have introduced those bills with them as a caucus.

However, you know, the CLBC had a certain strategy for the types of reparations bills that they wanted to focus on in this first kind of legislative session where they were introducing reparations bills based on the task force. And so they wanted to focus on reparations bills or policies that were deemed low-hanging fruit. So some of the bills that they got behind were the extension of the Crown Act to, you know, apply to youth so they're not discriminated against anymore to wear their natural hair in competitive sports.

Or another bill that the CLBC had in their priority package was, you know, grocery stores having to notify employees and community stakeholders, you know, if they close to address food apartheid. One of the bills in the Black Caucus's priority package was a formal apology on behalf of the state to descendants of American slaves with a plaque to be in the Capitol. And so those are just some, a few examples of, you know, the types of reparations bills that the Black Caucus wanted to focus on, you know, things that they consider to be low-hanging fruit. However, Bradford, you know, who one was terming out, you know, 14 years. This is his last

year in the Senate. And then also having had a transformative experience on the task force, he had a different strategy. He wanted to aim high. He wanted to introduce something the more stronger, the strongest recommendations from the task force's final report into legislation. And so I think there was also a difference of strategy. Bradford wanted to go high. the caucus wanted to go low, but the caucus still was, I guess, blaming Bradford for not, you know, introducing those bills with him. However, I will say that, you know, so in all I'm trying to say, they were holding a grudge against Bradford for some time because he introduced those two bills before them and without them. However, you know, there seemed to be some mending of that,

that trust because, you know, the rest of the California legislative black caucus members throughout the legislative session actually ended up sponsoring Bradford Spills. So they actually were on legislative record voting in favor of the reparations fund and the reparations agency throughout the committee process. So that showed that they kind of got over that initial grudge that they had against him for going on his own. However, again, it was until that last day, the last few days of the, the last few days of the legislative session, they told Rafford that they would no longer be supporting his two bills,

and they would no longer be willing to introduce the bills to the floor. So many questions. Legitimately, so many questions. Love the Crown Act. Love the proclamation. Love all of the things that symbolically and legally protect expression of black youth and enter into discussion intellectually the history of discrimination, oppression, and some of the economic disparities that we see.

However, if I'm being honest with you, that falls far short to me in addressing a lot of the economic disparities that we see. To me, reparations is about redress and addressing a lot of work that was done for free and an economic engine that was built on the back of a people who could not participate in that. And there is nothing that stops short of money for me, of actual economic bread.

So the low-hanging fruit was what we just talked about. What is the hard-to-reach fruit that you guys were going for, that you are still going for. What are you guys talking about doing in terms of reparations for Californians? Right, absolutely. So, you know, even though this legislative session is over and thus Bradford's bills have been effectively killed for this year, advocates are still planning to bring back these bills

or pressure the black caucus to bring back these bills the next legislative session. So we're pressuring them to bring back to the bill. to create a reparations agency, attentively called the California American Freedmen Affairs Agency. And as someone who studied reparations under international law, successful models of reparations

domestically and internationally, really what unites them is that there was first infrastructure set up before, you know, compensation was provided other material benefits and other programs and policies. And so that's the vein in which, you know, we are arguing that

their first needs to be an agency set up with a genealogy office to help trace, you know, lineage for eligibility standards, just like for Japanese American and Termin Camp survivors, there was an office of Redress Administration set up where they had a genealogy office to ensure that, you know, the claimants actually, and the descendants of the claimants were actually related to those who were in turn. Similar Native Americans, you know, they had the Bureau of Indian Affairs, you know, Jewish Holocaust survivors and their descendants, you know, there were a certain, for structure set up. And so that's the spirit in which, you know, we are advocating for SB 1403,

the reparations agency to be brought back the next legislative session. And then we're also advocating for SB 1331 that would create a new account in the state treasury, the reparations fund for descendants of slaves to fund these policies, to fund these programs, to fund potential compensation when it becomes politically and economically viable in the state, that is what that fund would represent. And so we're also planning to come back even stronger as well. When I was on the task force, I advocated for free education for descendants of slaves at the Cal States and the University of California, similar to a recent plan where Native Americans of federally recognized tribes also receive now free tuition from the UCs.

We want to see something like that for descendants of slaves as well. I want to talk about... Oh, sorry, go ahead. Well, I wanted to bring up, because Governor Gavin Newsom also plays a part in this conversation as well. And so, you know, Gavin Newsom also, while the C.OBC came to Senator Bradford at the last minute, saying that they would no longer support his bills. Gavin Newsom also came to Bradford at the last minute, I believe on August 26th,

asking Bradford to change the language of the agency, to take amendments that would essentially change the nature, intent, and purpose of the agency. What Governor Gavin Newsom and his team wanted Bradford to do was to amend the state agency to become a two-year additional study bill. To further study the task forces recommendations, and that study would be conducted. throughout the Cal State University systems.

And also, he wanted for the Cal State University system to kind of, I guess you could say, you know, a part of that study also study further what eligibility criteria could look like. And so Bradford balked at those changes and told Governor Newsom, no, I am not going to take your amendments. that would change the fundamental nature and characteristic of what we're trying to do. We don't need any additional studies. We studied as a task force for two years. We've been studying the harms and atrocities against this particular group of people for generations. The time to act is now.

And so, you know, that's also an issue where people are starting to think that, you know, was the COBC, the California legislative Black Caucus, effectively carrying water for Newsom, right? Renegging on the commitment to introduce these bills to the assembly floor for their fellow Black Caucus member to appease or please Governor Gavin Newsom who did not, oh, who told the Black Caucus that if you actually bring these bills to the floor and for a vote, I am going to veto these bills. And so the COBC pretty much stated in the press, you know, they were scared of a Newsom veto. They didn't want to risk the eye. optics of Newsom vetoing any of, you know, any so-called reparation spills.

So they were just going to stick with their low-hanging fruit type bills for now. A pardon my interruption before, but I couldn't help but get the question out as my ADHD. He seems like he's slow playing it. Why? Well, that's a good question because, you know, Gavin Newsom, he's the one who signed the legislation that created the task force in 2020, right after a, Of course, the racial reckoning of George Floyd where lots of folks were making major commitments to black Americans.

So to me, it just seems like he's part of this trend, corporations, other entities kind of reneging on their commitments that they made in 2020. I saw that there's some talk from activists and lead organizers that believe that Gavin Newsom is using black legislators to do, to pull back on this rather than having to do it himself. Is that true? Or do you believe that?

Yes, that is the prevailing view and understanding. And actually, I talked to some assembly members in the California legislative Black Caucus leading up to the Saturday deadline because, well, I will say on Wednesday, we heard that everything was good, that the Black Caucus members

plan to bring Bradford's two bills for the agency and the fund to the floor, for a final vote. People traveled all the way up to Sacramento to witness what would have been a historic occasion and then they never brought the bills to the floor. So people started to get concerned.

So Thursday, Friday, people were calling around to different black caucus members. I personally made some calls, you know, and they pretty much told me, look, you know, Senator Bradford messed this up for all of you guys. You know, he shouldn't have brought this on his own. And plus, news of totus that if we bring

Bradford's bills to a vote, then he's going to veto them, and we're not going to risk the optics for that. And so we're just not going to bring them to the floor. So in all, you know, I directly heard from Black Caucus members that essentially, to me, my perception is, okay, you guys are one, either, you know, letting your personal differences, petty differences, self-interest, ego, grudge that you may have against Bradford get in the way of doing something historic and or you're also. you know, carrying water effectively for Newsom when you should have told Newsom what Raffert told Newsom, which is, look, we're going to do our job, bring this bill to the floor for a final vote, pass it, and then it's going to be up to you, Governor Newsom, to sign it or veto. That's your responsibility. It's on you whether you sign it or veto, but we're going to do our job, but they failed to do that.

Camila, let me tell you what this feels like. What this feels like is that we don't have our shit together. Okay. That's what it feels like. It feels like reparations, which is something that is, you know, it remains a controversial and very forward thinking means of redress and restorative justice in America. And not just amongst the. general American political consciousness,

like even in some areas of black America, talking about the reality of reparations is still something that kind of divides people. And it seems like California was on the path to showing the rest of the country and really the rest of the world that it was realistic and that we could not get our shit together in California

to make it a reality. what would you say to somebody that says this is a significant setback to the nationwide reparations movement and people who are super duper bummed out that the black people in California could not get on the same page about this? Yeah, I was just say it is unfortunate that literally it was just 10 black people who really got in the way of, you know, passing what. could have been and should have been, you know, transformative policy that would positively affect the lives, not only the black Californians, but black Americans as well. And would have set an amazing precedent for what Repertory Justice could look like worldwide, to your point. But I will say, I think, you know, it's fair for folks to feel that way for now. But, you know, reparationists who were there at the Capitol, you know, although we were upset, you know, on Saturday, you know, we were there from, you know,

the morning to midnight, you know, waiting for the CLBC members and the other assembly members, because it wasn't the only, it wasn't only the Black Caucus members who could have introduced those bills to the floor. It could have been other assembly members as well. And in fact, the only assembly member who attempted to introduce the bill to the floor was a young Republican, Arab American assembly member, Bill S.A. Lee, who tried to introduce the bill on the floor on behalf of the reparationist advocates. And he did not get a second. He tried to do it another time.

He was physically blocked by a black caucus member. Namely assembly member, namely assembly member Isaac Ryan. He is on video, Bill S.A. Lee videotaped Isaac Ryan physically blocking Bill Saly. Bill Assembly member Isaac Ryan tries to gaslight Bill Saly by saying, hey, you've supported anti-black policies in the past as the Republican. You don't really care about reparation. you know, why are you trying to introduce the bill?

You know, and Bill Saly is, look, he's like, I just, you know, let's introduce the bill. Like, we should have a, you know, this is a democracy. Let's have a conversation. These people deserve at least for us to have a conversation about this as an assembly and then as a vote for a vote. And then I think Brian, he goes on to say, well, yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Will you even vote for it, Bill? Will you even vote for it? And Bill's like, yeah, bring the bill. I'll vote for it. it, I'll vote for it. And then Isaac Bryan just turns his back. So that was very, very disappointing to see.

You have other assembly members, like assembly member Reggie Jones Sawyer, who served on the task force with me. And I also have a theory. I have a theory that some of the Black caucus members who were trying to block these bills, there are the ideology

that reparation, particularly in the form of the fund, or the agency shouldn't should only should be race-based. So the

Black Caucus members who, you know, block these bills believe that reparation particularly should go to all black people. However, Senator Bradford,

in writing this legislation for the fund and the agency made it specific to descendants of American slaves. So I do think

that there was some ideological differences that prevented some of the Black Caucus members from

moving these bills to the floor as well. But then also, I want to mention that there's other interests at play as well that I think need to be investigated because, you know, there's rumors that have been substantiated to a certain extent that the California legislative black caucus members want to divert the $12 million that actually Governor Newsom has already been allocated for reparations implementation for the next fiscal year. So we have $12 million in the state budget next year for reparations.

There's rumors that they want to divert that $12 million to nonprofit organizations that they affiliate with, particularly the California Black Freedom Fund. You know, Senator Bradford has gone on in the press saying that the budget committee, I forgot which one, deliberately allocated that $12 million for Bradford's bills to set up the infrastructure for the agency and for the fund. So reverendants are also, you know, investigating, well, that begs the question if the C.OBC members just killed Bradford's bills. And the agency only would have cost three to five million dollars. And you would probably put like, what, six million or so in the fund. So it wasn't any cost issues. So again, that begs the question. If the CLBC members went out their way to kill Bradford's bills and the budget committee, they said they put the $12 million in for Bradford's bills. where is the $12 million going to go? And, you know, people have DM me. I won't say their names.

People have the CNME saying that they have, the CLBC went on a speaking tour with the California Black Freedom Fund this summer. They're still on a speaking tour. They're going to be in Oakland on the 28th, Sacramento on the 14th. And she said she attended one in Santa Barbara. And the CLBC and the California Black Freedom Fund

said out loud their plan to use that $12 million. to go to the Black Freedom Fund and organizations within the Black Freedom Fund. That's not reparation. Wow. Yeah, Camila Moore, chairperson in California at Reparations Task Force, thank you so much for joining us on Higher Learning.

Really quickly, listening to everything that you're saying, how likely is this going to happen? I know you're bringing it back to the floor in front of the legislature of the next opportunity when they reconvening, but how likely is this to happen? Yes, that's good.

I think it's, I think it's more, likely than ever before. You know, I think that, not to be shady, I think the California legislative black caucus thought that they were more politically savvy than they actually are. And so I think that because they probably saw kind of

the same amount of people or the same types of people at the task force meetings, engaging them throughout the legislative session, you know, even at the Capitol these past few days, you know, they thought that this issue would go away. You know, they didn't anticipate all this

media attention. They didn't anticipate that people would care. And so I think that they miscalculated. I think the governor miscalculated. And I think they see now that, you know, reparations, we have community support. And so I think with the additional community support that we have leading up to this next legislative session, I think we will be successful in bringing these two bills back and getting even more stronger bills, like a bill, like I said, for free education, for. descendants of American slaves and hopefully setting the foundation for the strongest recommendation coming out of the task force, which was direct cash payments for what our economists at the task force found to be harms that the state perpetuated against

African Americans in mass incarceration and over policing, housing segregation and homelessness, health harms, the evaluation of black businesses, and unjust property taking. So we're setting the groundwork for, you know, some of the more stronger recommendations to come, to follow. And I think we'll be successful. We'll be paying attention. We'll be watching. Thank you so much for joining us. Let everybody know where they can find you and support the work you're doing. Thank you so much. You can find me across all social media at Camila V Moore, K-A-M-M-I-H-V-A-M-O-R-E and my website, Camila-M-M-O-R-R-E. Thank you so much, Rachel.

Thank you. Thank you. All right, we got to go. You know what? We're out of here, man. We didn't give you, we gave y'all reparations. Shout out to Camila Moore

for coming on the podcast today. Reparations Task Force. We got to get our shit together in California. By the way, when I post that clip, I'm going to post something from it. I'm also going to post the 10 names. Or maybe I shouldn't.

Is it cool to post the names of the Black Caucus and the people who stopped that from going forward? Why not? It's public record. Is that kind of like doxing them, though? It's public record. You're not posting their address

and their phone numbers. She said that they said it on record. It's recorded. Yeah, very important to know who the villains are to any particular story. Yeah. Donnie, bro, we're happy to have you back, man. Glad to be back. Great to have you back, Donnie.

All right. Take 10 caps off. Do not stop learning on Van Lee Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Bye, guys.