Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Kevin and Katt Squash the Beef, Stephen A.’s Wish, and ABC vs. Trump’s FCC

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

Van and Rachel recap ‘The Roast of Kevin Hart’ and discuss this era of gerrymandering and ABC challenging the FCC. Then, Stephen A. Smith has a wish for Black voters, James Charles apologizes, and Caitlin Clark does the Morgan Wallen walk. (0:00) Intro (0:14) 'The Roast of Kevin Hart' (17:27) Virginia redistricting ruling (36:04) ABC vs. the FCC (48:02) Stephen A. Smith and the Black vote (1:02:29) James Charles berates former Spirit Airlines employee  (1:33:28) Caitlin Clark and Morgan Wallen (1:43:03) A white, MAGA member of AKA sorority? Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Howe Learning is on is Ivan Lansing Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel, did you see the roast of Kevin Hart? I got through about an hour of it. I got up to... No, no, no, no, I just ran out of time.

I got to... No, no, no. The J.B. Guy, is that the name? J.B. Bickerstaff? Yes, I got to him. That's not who it. J.B. Bikersap is the coach. Oh, okay.

I'm not here as J.B. Who's what you talking about? He was... He was like the bigger guy that they kept. Oh, I thought. No, it wasn't, I would know that one, Donnie. I would know J.D. Smooth. Get on his ass.

He's like, he's a comedian. He's an older friend. He's a white guy. He was a bigger guy, glasses. Jay, I don't even know if it was a B. It was definitely a J. Okay. Who roasted.

Did you watch it? I did. Okay, well, the guy you didn't know. It was a blur to me. I was switching back and forth because the NBA was on too. It was fun though By the way, just let you guys know With what I saw last night

I gotta be able I gotta be free to tell my Charlie Kirk joke It was going fucking nuts last night But okay, okay, okay They were And to be expected from a Shane Gillis But like

I mean I'm not gonna say I was uncomfortable It was just interesting I could tell the audience didn't know if they could laugh or not But to you as a new newer

comedian are you going to add that to your label now no but I understand what you're saying as a newer comedian you haven't built

the reputation of what type of comedy you do yet it's fair so with you know who made the was it Pete Davidson

who made the joke about the neck yeah yeah Pete Davidson and the things that Shane Gillott was saying

it's like well we know that's kind of their comedy should you do this joke it will submit what type of

comedian you are Hmm. That's true. That joke was one. Did you see the George Floyd joke? Who didn't? Tony Hinchcliffe. Oh, I didn't get to him. Oh, fuck, I didn't get to him. I didn't get to him yet. Look, this is the deal with the Rose last night. It was a lot. I was a... Should we play that joke for Rachel in real time just to see how she was on.

Play it for me. I'll tell you who the guy is that you can't remember because I just look for a list of the people of the names. He was the one who kept making the black jokes about Cheryl Underwood. But Cheryl's so black this. Cheryl's so black this. And it was like, all right. We get it. That was that guy. His name is enlisted on this.

Yeah. Big J. O'Cerson. What was it, Donnie? Big J. Oh, Big J. Big J. That's it, J.B. I was like J.B.

I'm like, what the fuck? Donnie, did I send the Tony Hinchcliff, George Floyd joke to the chat? You didn't send it to the chat. Hold on. I'm sorry. The Shane Gillis joke to the show. On a scale of 1 to 10 for Tony Hinchcliff, how

I don't want to say the word inappropriate, but how Tony Hinchcliff was he, 10 being the most. It's 10. I want to play it for you live. You've done good though, Kevin. The black community is so proud of you. Right now, George Floyd is looking up at us all laughing so hard that he can't breathe. God bless you, Kevin.

God bless this room. and God bless the United States of America. Thank you. Thoughts? I mean, to be fair, the Charlie Kirk joke to me was just like a little insensitive as well. Oh, okay.

It's like, because, okay, Pete Davidson, there were several jokes about Pete Davidson from the point I watched, so I probably got an hour end. There were several jokes about Pete Davidson's dad who died in 9-11. Right. But Pete Davidson jokes about it.

Pete Davidson made a joke about it when he took the stage. So I feel like that's fair game. He's there. He does it as well. Right. But like both of those deaths were so public and both, and I'm not comparing the two in that sense, but just like, I just, you know, I don't know. That might be where it's just a little like.

So this is the deal. This is the thing. If everybody's getting it, I'm cool. The Charlie Kirk joke, when you make that joke, understand that somebody actually got killed and their wife is seemingly upset about it theoretically. And, you know, that's going to be something that's going to, like, upset people, right? if that is fair game, then the George Floyd joke is fair game. Okay, let me pull it back.

Okay. I don't know how Pete Davidson feels about Charlie Kirk. I know how Tony Hinchcliff feels about George Floyd and Black Lives Matter and just black people in this society. So is it a joke? Well. And I think that may be where it's like, even with. When I heard the Charlie Kirk, I was like, ooh, maybe too soon. But with Tony, there were so many jokes about him being a Nazi or a white supremacist

because of the things he said, because of what he's done and who he aligns himself with. So to hear him make a George Floyd joke, it's like, is that in jest? Because you don't really sound like you really cared about George Floyd, how that impacted the black community, the fallout after, what black people wanted when it came to seeking justice when it came to George Floyd so it's like George Floyd joke from you but do you see how

that's your analysis right there is kind of like how can I put it it's I'm not trying to I'm not trying to be charitable Tony Hinchcliffe but I'm saying no no no no I get the like I get both jokes I'm saying both of them I was like

but I'm leaning a little bit more of in a with Tony Hinchcliff is it a joke or was it one for you to get off on the George Floyd of it all because you don't align with what happened after? So this is the way I'm looking at it. Pete Davidson says that it's fuck Charlie Kirk. It is. You make the joke as fuck Charlie Kirk.

You probably wouldn't make that joke unless you thought Charlie Kirk was fair game because Charlie Kirk was an asshole when he was alive. You probably wouldn't make that joke unless you thought that, right? So I'm going to give Pete Davidson credit for the fact that he made that joke about that. guy getting killed, right, despite everything and how everyone feels about it and how terrible that shooting was and people saw it.

Tony Hinchcliff is interesting to me. It's interesting because he's up there with them and they are participating in the joke. So everybody up there that's joking for joking at the expense of Tony Hitchcliffe saying he's a Nazi and no white supremacists, well, they're hanging out with him. So obviously. on stage or you're saying he's a part of their culture and community so obviously

they must not care well I don't know if you could say that like just because Kevin Hall might call Regina Hall or somebody to come participate in the Rose and Tony Hinchcliffe's there as well doesn't mean that they're like on one accord what you mean doesn't mean

that they're on one accord I'm not saying that they're on one accord I'm saying that like or that they don't care I mean, if you were getting roasted and you had Andrew Schultz over there who I don't really align with, I would still participate in your roast because I'm there for you. That doesn't mean that I fuck with him. No, but what I'm saying is obviously if I have him on my roast, I don't care. You're right, right, right.

You don't care. So Kevin, yeah. What I'm talking about is the, I'm not speaking for everybody on the roast. I'm saying that everyone that's a part of that, right, all of the comedians that are taking shots at one another, They're taking shots at one another based upon their personal, like, relationships based upon public perception of them. They're joking about what people think about these comedians. There's a whole contingent of comedians that I think the comedy world is looking at for kind of what undergirds those comedians' political beliefs.

But they've accepted that. That's a part of it. They really don't care. So what I mean about that is like— I think for the protection of comedy, they—yes, I understand what you're saying. Like, I don't think comedians want restraints. And I think if they feel like they restrain one, then it's like, well, then where does that line stop? True.

But I also think that they are probably less offended. I think so too. I think some of them are really offended. Like the comedians that I was able to meet and talk to, I think they're really offended. I'm not speaking for all of comedy or anything like that, like after one stand-up step. But what I'm saying is that, like, what I'm saying is when I see that, when you look at Rogan, like, Shepel. Chappelle goes on Rogan. They chum it up.

They do stuff together. Like they are pals. They're friends. Despite the fact that Rogan has this reputation of being this really vile, basically, a purveyor of misinformation and lies and the mouthpiece for the Trump administration. Like Chappelle, who seems diametrically opposed to all of that stuff, that's his boy. And so, and you see a lot of people on there. There's a whole fabric of them.

And so, like, that's why when I looked at the Tony Hill, Edgecliff thing last night, it, them saying all of those jokes about him, to me, was them saying, we know he's a Nazi, but he's still one of, he's a comedian. He's a comedian. Like, he's a comedian, and we kind of accept that. That's why I felt like there was, I like a roast, because I like a roast. People are trying to, they're trying to see exactly how far they can go and everybody's like up in the ante. Shane Gillis. Oh, Shane was. directly went at Chelsea Handler for being a Zionist. Yeah. No, he did.

Very funny. Made a dead kids joke on Netflix. Like, the guardrails were really, they were off. I think that's to be expected when you have somebody like Shane Gillis hosting. I mean, he even kind of said it. Yeah. I mean, he was like white guy hosting for a black man. I forgot what he said.

Oh, Black Excellence. He's there to celebrate Black Excellence tonight. Yeah, I mean, you know what you were going to get. As soon as I saw him, I was like, wow, they're really going there. I mean, I think, and I wouldn't be surprised if Kevin Hart said it. Damn. I wouldn't even be surprised if some of it was purposeful. Smacked her right in the face.

I wouldn't be surprised as some of it was purposeful on his end to just like, be like, if you're going to do the roast of me. She got C-T-E. If you're going to do the roast. Look, you knocked her. You, you spent her, stand her up straight after you smacked her, man. Look, look, she crooked. She can't.

I don't think she can. You punched her dead and that shit. I don't think she can. Look at her. Let her lean on who. Who nanny? There you go. Who nanny? I think, no, she didn't need all that.

Or he doesn't need all that. But I think I wouldn't be surprised if he said if you're going to do a roast of me, like nothing is off limits. I wouldn't even be surprised if he was purposeful and who he put on stage just to push the limits of comedy. Yeah. Or boundaries. Last thing I'll say about the roast before you get into the big deal of today.

Kat Williams, Kevin Hart. I know. I haven't gotten there to that part yet. I mean, I saw it on social, but Kat did a set, right? Yeah, Cat walked out. I think even Kevin was surprised. So Kevin, you think Kevin didn't know? Because I haven't gotten there yet.

He would have had to have known. But if he didn't know, he sold the moment really well. Because Kat came out there after, obviously, if you guys don't know the background, years and years and years of those guys going at each other. But do we really know the root of it? Yeah. Oh, okay, maybe I guess I don't. Yeah, the root of is it straight up jealousy.

Cat jealous of Kevin or Kevin jealous of Kat? I think that Cat and a lot of comedians this is in no way a shot at cat Williams love cat Williams but I think cat and a lot of comedians resented Kevin Hart for a long time for what they thought was Kevin Hart's meteoric ascendant rise that only took him like 30 fucking years when you first came out here Kevin Hart was like grinding and at chocolate sundays and doing all of that stuff, his career took a noticeable

and direct dip, like direct. Like, Kevin comes out Soulplane, what year's SoulPlan? Look that up. Oh, yeah. So SoulPlan comes out. Kevin does the 2004. 2004. Oh, wow. So 2004. I remember I was

ordering Soulplane. I was at Best Buy, like in Baton Rouge, right? I didn't even know who Kevin Hart was. Yeah, same. When the movie came out. Yeah. Then, I go back and I see him. He's in a couple of movies that Dame had made.

Dame doesn't get credit, but Dame be putting niggas on and giving them their shots and doing all kinds of shit. Damn, whatever. And then Kev was in a lot of movies, but then, like, he got cold a little bit. It kind of didn't take off for a while. And then he just started working his fucking ass off, working on YouTube, working in clubs,

just working his ass off. And he worked and worked and worked. but there was still this perception that he was either an industry plant or Hollywood creation, which anybody that was paying attention can see that that's not the case. And I think when he blew up and got to like a mainstream lunchbox type of celebrity, I think there were a lot of comedians that resented it, and I think Kat was one of them,

which never made any sense because Kat is a one-of-a-kind legend, like a true throwback comedy legend, like a true dangerous comic that you, you don't know what's going to happen. So, but it's good to see them squash that after all of those years. For sure. I also think some of cats,

some of his criticisms were probably valid insofar as like what Hollywood does to make comedians and how they choose a chosen one and all of that stuff. But it was mostly just this niggas shone and I think I'm better than him. But they're over it now. Oh yeah, I can't wait to watch the rest of it. I want to say it. Was he good on stage? He's cat fucking Williams.

Who was the best to you? Cat. Cat was great. Shane was great. Pete was great. I thought Chelsea was good. Chelsea was great. I thought the celebrities, the non-comedians got some shit off.

I thought Brady got some shit off. Brady shit was crazy. I've never seen him that loose. Yeah. I've never seen that loose. I thought Naeem was good. Yeah? I've seen him.

Naeem is hysterical. I've seen him at a, like, gone to a Kevin Hart show and seen him open up. And I remember, I was like on the floor. And I was like, that was my first. It was years ago. And I was like, this guy is hilarious. So when I saw him on stage, I was like, I'm so glad that everybody else is going to get to see him because he's really funny. All the plastic coboys get busy.

No, I know. Yeah, they get busy. But I've gotten to the rest of them on there yet. But I was like really happy to see him do his thing. But yeah, so it's good to see them together. I would love to see a Kevin Hart, Cat Williams movie. Maybe. Maybe it's coming.

Yeah. Two little niggas. Write it. Two short Niggas. Right. Like two short niggas That's perfect.

That's what we need. Last thing about that. Do you know the number one way to squash a beef with somebody in Hollywood? How? Stay successful. Wow.

So let me tell you. From my understanding of this. Okay. Let's say you got a beef with another celebrity. You have to stay successful. If you stay successful, if you stay, successful and on the right trajectory, you guys will eventually squash that beef. Do both people

have to stay successful? That's what I'm saying. Whoever you have the beef with, somebody has a beef with you. You have a beef with them. If you guys both stay successful, which Kat and Kevin have, right? Kat has had some ups and downs, but he's flourishing. No, yeah, yeah. So he's still relevant, he's still successful. That means that person isn't going anywhere. And because that person isn't going anywhere, the best thing to do after a while is just to squash it. But let them fall off. Yeah. Let them fall off to where you don't have to squash the beef with them.

Let them fall off. The person with more power will kick the person with less power's ass in perpetuity. They will fuck over them forever. And there are some examples of that I could mention, but I'm not going to mention them. The best way is just to keep shining and keep being successful. Eventually, y'all going to be like, what the fuck? What are we doing? We can get more money together.

But man, when one person is obsolete and the other person is on top, you become a footnote in their story. Yeah, that's true. And they lean on you as long as they fucking can. That's true. That's true. All right. Big deal of today, Donnie. All right.

Yeah. Virginia, the Supreme Court last week overturned the state's redistricting ballot measure that had passed last month. The decision leaves the Republicans with the opportunity to net more than 10 seats from redrawn lines. with several southern states in the midst of redrawn their own districts following that recent U.S. Supreme Court decision that gutted the Voting Rights Act. Was this decision by the Virginia Supreme Court Fair? No. Interesting. I mean, I don't think that they should be able to use a, first off, Virginia tried to do it right, right?

We see these red states or southern states not even putting up the vote to the public and allowing them to vote on redistricting maps. They're just doing it unilaterally. where then you have blue states or purple states who are actually trying to go through the process of allowing the people to vote on what it is that they want. They're using a procedural argument here to try to say, which is up for debate, right? They're trying to say,

hey, procedurally, you didn't do things the way that the Virginia Constitution says that you should. But despite that, right, the people still voted in April. Virginia citizens still voted on the referendum. and they voted that they wanted this to happen. So now, okay, you might say, and again, Republicans are saying one thing, Democrats are saying something else.

But at the end of the day, what you cannot deny is that this was placed up for the people to vote yes or no. They said they wanted to change the maps. And now you're taking away the will of the people. What does that say about you? You cannot separate the politics from this decision, what the Virginia Supreme Court did. and now there really is no recourse. I mean, they can file an appeal, like try to get an emergency decision from the Supreme Court.

That's probably not going to happen. And unless they can find some kind of federal question within this, the Supreme Court won't hear it. And even if they do find some type of federal issue and the Supreme Court or a federal question, the Supreme Court does hear it, what do you think the Supreme Court's going to do? So it just is such a knock on democracy in the sense that things were done the correct way and the word that they're fighting over is what is considered an election

and you're going to take away the people voted on it regardless and the people are telling you what they want and you're saying no we're not going to do that. So now you're stuck with instead of it being possibly 10 to 1 in favor of Democrats they're going to lose four, it's going to be 6 to 5. All right. So what racial

is talking about is the way things work in Virginia, according to the Virginia Constitution is, for a constitutional amendment in the state of Virginia, you have to have two different legislative sessions, right? You have to have the proposed amendment, then you have to have an election, and then you have to have another session for the amendment to come back, right? So that gives the voters an opportunity to vote on the people that are doing the amendment, have the election, then vote again on basically on the amendment or the people that. that are there. So the voters have two chances

to make their case directly hurt, right? So, Mimitt, election, then another legislative session. Do I have that right? I think so. Right, okay. So like, now what happened is when they brought this the first time,

they brought it on October 31st of last year. The election had already basically begun. The early voting had begun. Whoa. And that's the issue is, When does the election start? Right. So early voting had begun.

Well, 1.4 million people had cast ballots. Yes, yes. But this is the, yes, this is the argument. So by that rationale, those people didn't get a chance. The Virginia system is supposed to give the people the people a chance to directly affect not just the lawmaking, but the lawmakers who made the law. So by their rationale, what they are saying is that those people didn't get a chance. because this was brought after they already had voted. Now, this is in the state constitution.

They didn't get a chance to what? They didn't get a chance to vote on, to make their voices heard about this particular amendment. No, they didn't get to have their voices heard because this amendment, the amendment, they couldn't put the amendment on the ballot until the two votes had happened by the legislature. So the proposed amendment,

then the election, which is what's at issue, and then the legislature voting on it again. So what happened is, is that their, trying to say, this is the argument that came from the Republican side, that they voted in the 1.4 people had voted on lawmakers who potentially might have opposed. That's what I meant to say.

Okay. So like I don't, I don't mean directly this, what I meant to say was that. They're voting on the lawmakers who are supposed to either champion or oppose this. That's what they want to do. They want to make sure that they can do that. And so the decision here was going to be based around what you think election day is. Yes. If election day is the day that people go out to vote, then the Democrats were in a good position.

If election day is, or if an election constitutes the day that voting actually starts, then the Republicans were in a better position here or, you know, however you want to look at that. I'm not so sure that this is the wrong decision. And what I mean is if that is the system in Virginia, it's the wrong decision for me, certainly. But I'm not so certain that it's the wrong decision insofar as the interpretation of the rules that are already on the books. Now, you could argue either way, election day being the start of an election or election day being the start of the voting or the actual voting being the start of the electoral process. but like really that is that's kind of a fair interpretation depending on what you think is the most important thing like to me when I look at the actual decision it's hard to be outraged at the conclusion that they came from claim came to

other than the fact that I wanted them to come to a different decision so this is where I would you're not I don't disagree with you what I would say is it's the timing of it all because what I believe is the the citizen voted on this in April. I truly believe that if, and the vote was like 52.48 or something like that. And the Democrats expended a gigantic amount of $100 million. So $5248 in favor of

redrawing the maps, which would have been in favor for the Democrats. If it had gone the other way, this would never be brought in front of the court. And my thing is, is that it was proposed in October, as you said. There was the election. and then there was the vote on it in early of 2026,

I think like February. Yeah. Why not file the suit then? It's the timing of it all. They waited, they still allowed it to be placed to the voters because they thought that they would win. And when they didn't win, then they filed the lawsuit. So the reason I say it's politically motivated,

you didn't have a problem with it, you should have had a problem with it back in when it was done. And you didn't. You wanted to see, if it would go in your favor. And that's why I think that you have to talk about, they're using the court system to their advantage to get the outcome that they want.

They could have filed this to the Virginia Supreme Court when the second vote was cast that this was going to be put in front of the voters. And they waited until after the voting results in April to make this decision. The funny thing about that, though, is that when I was first reading on this, before the vote even took place,

before the vote even took place, and everything I read on it, they were like, the Supreme Court would probably come back. It's a good chance the Supreme Court would come back and nullified. Did they say because of the procedural? Because of the procedural?

Yeah. So there's nothing that I've ever read on this that took place in Virginia where the Supreme Court nullifying it wasn't a distinct possibility. And I guess this kind of gets me to like my main point here. This was obviously a crushing blow

for, to me, Democracy and fair elections and all of that stuff and what the Trump administration is trying to do. But it also, to me, shows that the Democrats are still being outorganized, that the Democrats are still being outflanked by the right. Now, look, I'm going to be honest with you. And a lot of my lefty friends about to be mad. over the next eight months or whatever

it's going to be really hard for me to criticize Democrats and I'm going to tell you why you mean to not criticize them? No, to criticize them. Okay. Like it for as much of my politics that

have become increasingly radicalized I believe in providing guardrails against Donald Trump. I believe even stopping the Trump administration. The Trump administration is on a war path to gain power in America.

They have to be stopped. There has to be some check to be able to stop them. And unfortunately, the only fires that we are able to choose, you know, street fighter, you got Ryu and Ken, Akuma and all of these people. We only got one.

We got one. That's the fuck I'm talking about. We only got one. And that is kind of the opposition that could be controlled opposition, which is the Democratic Party, right? We have to, that's the check legislatively against what Donald Trump is trying to do. And the only way to have that check be actually useful now is incredible turnout in November.

That's the only way. The only way now, you can't gerrymander your way out of it because the gerrymandering fight might be lost. The only way now is for people to show up. in droves this fall and overcome what is going to be a successful Republican effort to gerrymander all this. So that's the only way. So the conversations of how to the left we have to move for me, from a tactical perspective,

might have to be tabled in a way until after the midterms because I'm sorry and I apologize to all of my friends that are moving as left as me to the far left. I cannot cannot abide some of the stuff that's happening here in terms of the black people in southern states that are just

being torn apart by this MAGA Republican administration. I can't. So I might have to be party cheerleader, blue cheerleader, number one, in the midriff the whole thing

I might have to go pure on Cook Shill because the only way to stop some of this stuff and to regain some semblance of balance

I'll talk about this a little bit later on Stephen A. Smith thing is to really get people out in November at least that's where I'm at right now to vote and sort of

overrun the I'm sorry I think the big thing is that And it's, you're right about when you talk about black people just in general and how they're doing this to take away voting power and the voice of black people. But at the same time, they're also doing it to disenfranchise black people. And that's why you have to put on the midrift, as you said, and be a cheerleader because they want you to feel gutted. They want you to feel like your voice.

doesn't matter and there's no point no matter what you do and there really is if you all come out and come together but I just want to say back to the Virginia thing I think the argument nobody could argue against it if they had done the timing correctly I think to me and I don't know if that could this is a federal question or what or not but the moment you gave it to the people and allowed the people to vote I feel like that should take away any kind of procedural error that they're trying to claim. You allowed the people to vote on it. It should never got that far

because you had the power to use the court system to nullify any of this prior to a vote ever going to the people. That's the problem to me with what they did because now the argument for like what I'm saying

is people can say well you let people vote on it. You know what the people want now. And then you go against that because it doesn't align with your political motives. I have a problem with that. My problem with that is that that argument can and has been used to to legitimize Trump's agenda. Which argument? That people voted for it. Like whenever somebody,

whenever the Trump administration is questioned about ICE or, you know, the birthright citizenship, they say, hey, we said we're going to do all of this and people voted for it. People voted for him. Like, no, wait a second. They voted for him, but what they say is, this is the will of the people. They say, we want all the swing states. We want all the swing states saying we were going to deport 10 million people. We went all the swing states saying that we were going to challenge

birthright citizenship. We run all the swing states doing the stuff that we were going to do. This is what people wanted. And it's what people wanted because we said we were going to do. this and they voted for it. And then when they try to do those things, we say, hey, but rules are rules. And there's, there are laws and rules that are in place to make sure that you guys don't do some of this stuff. And these things are enshrined in law.

So it doesn't matter what people voted for. If there are rules and procedures that are on the books so that you cannot do this, fuck what they voted for. What you're doing is illegal. What you're doing is unconstitutional. What you're doing. breaks every sort of protocol that we've ever had. And those are the rules are the things that kind of, in my opinion, keep, of course,

elections matter and the will of the people matter, but people voted for Jim Crow, right? Like, and so some would say they might have voted on one issue. But whatever, though. So what I'm saying is, it's hard for me in this situation to be like, what I think is the most important thing is the interpretation of what is an election. Is an election something that starts whenever people start voting or is an election something that starts, is it election day, is that when an election begins? I think that interpretation is the most important thing here. And maybe you will have gotten a Supreme Court that will have interpreted. To read the decision

here is really interesting because it's clear if you read the decision here that the Supreme Court felt a little, they were pissed off. They don't like gerrymandering. and they also don't like the fact that they were voting on maps that that Supreme Court had actually made. They were kind of throwing it back in their face. So there was a clear, this is what we fucking said, niggas, that they did. But I personally, I understand and I hear and I get the will of the people argument.

But it's just been so corrupted by the Trump administration over the last year and a half, two years, that I'm kind of torn between the rules and the rules and the vote, the rules have to matter, no matter what the vote says. I mean, if I was going to say something towards that, I would just say that, you know, just because you voted for the Trump administration, people voted for Trump for various reasons. Now, I agree with you. A vote for Trump means you're agreeing with all the things that he said.

But I think people would say, well, I was voting based on this. I'm not saying that that's right. I was voting specifically on this. I wasn't voting for an idea or something that may happen. whereas this was a specific thing that they voted yes or no for as a referendum. Like this is specifically what I am voting for them to do. And it's on one thing yes or no. But, you know, I get both sides of it.

So real quick, this is very important before we get off this. I'm moving forward for any president. or Senate candidate that is running as a blue centrist Democrat, which I guess, you know, I'm plugging with them again. Hey, guys, we got to, I need you to be, I need you to be alive for me to kick your ass. That's basically what I'm saying to the Democrats. I need you all to be a lie for me to kick your ass, right? I need you to live so that I can kick you in the nuts.

Okay. And right now, you might be dead. You might be dead. I'm still voting to the left of all of you. I see, look, it's in me now. I'm still doing it, but I don't know how to do it. What I'm saying is whether or not you're willing to pack the courts is going to be... I have to do this.

Whether or not you'll be... But see, here's a deal. Back to the goddamn question about the Senate Democrats. They're hesitant. I know. They're hesitant to say that they want to pack the courts. First of all, there's a lot of hurdles to pack the court. That's why you have to ask the Senate candidates as well, too, because you're going to need the votes.

to be able to do that, right? But they're hesitant to say this, because they always go, if that starts, where is it going to finish? And what I'm saying is, they already finishing us. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. Like, they're finishing it. Like, we getting finished.

We have a partisan Supreme Court. And the only way to attempt to balance that out is to pack the court. That's it. All right. Let's talk about ABC and the FCC. ABC. ABC is accusing Trump's FCC of violating its First Amendment rights as FCC chair, Brenning Carr ramps up scrutiny of the outlet. Carr has questioned whether shows such as the view are, quote, bona fide news programs, which are granted certain First Amendment protections

by Congress. And ABC said in this filing that Carr's scrutiny of his programming is, quote, unprecedented beyond the commission's authority and counterproductive to the commission's stated goal of encouraging free speech and open political discussion. Question. Were you surprised to see ABC kind of go after the Trump administration? Before, we've seen them pay out $15 million in its defamation suit, which some people say that they probably could have won if they had pursued it, but they just said, here's $15 million.

Were you surprised that ABC is doing something, I guess making a bigger move than any other network is doing? Yes, at first, but then I thought about it. Uh-oh. At first I was like, look at Mickey Mouse. Got some big-ass balls. Mickey Mouse is dragging his balls across the Trump administration. Then I thought about it.

Trump's unpopular. You really think that that's the reason? It's part of it. Trump's unpopular. Trump's unpopular now. Trump's unpopular enough to where ABC feels like it's low leverage to actually have this fight. In 24 or back in the day, they were afraid of the rap. of President Trump, I feel like a lot of people were.

So they went along with a lot of things. But now Trump's wounded. So it's not just ABC that you see fighting back, the people in his own party that you see fighting back, people of his own intellectual cohort that you see fighting back. Trump is actually being attacked from all different sides. The Virginia win was very important for him.

So at first I was like, look at ABC doing the thing. And it's still very important that they did it. But then I was thinking, I mean, not that this necessarily matters for whether or not they're fighting back or not. But I was thinking, oh, this is also a sign of the strength of the president. I don't know if it's show, because to me, I mean, the FCC chair, Brendan Carr is still

trying to come after ABC regardless. So this is only going to infuriate him even more because what they're trying to do is, I mean, basically they're standing up for themselves in the sense that the FCC is trying to, is making them have to, I guess, again, submit their exemptions and possibly putting their licenses, however many ABC stations they own, putting their license. putting their licenses on the line and is calling for it earlier than it's up because I think it's 2028 and they're pushing back against it and saying basically what you're not what you're doing you shouldn't you don't have the authority to do you're doing something that's unprecedented and to me

that will maybe it's not popular with the public but it still infuriates the president the FCC who still wield power over these networks so I don't necessarily know if I buy the argument that it's because it's unpopular. Because it's not unpopular. I mean, because he's unpopular. Sorry. Well, I mean, I guess my only evidence is that when his movement was more robust,

they caved. And a lot of people caved. Well, maybe because they thought it wouldn't keep going. Well. And now they've done something else. And now they're challenging the view, which is their most watched program.

And they're basically saying the view, because like they're taking on a bigger argument and the person who filed this with the FCC is known for arguing cases in front of the Supreme Court. This is becoming a First Amendment challenge, which is why I think it's such a big deal, and I'm actually surprised that they're taking this on. Because what they're saying is, for 20-something years,

we've already argued the case with these talk shows like The View, and it's never been challenged until you got mad because you don't like how the View talks about you and your administration. And they're basically saying if you allow them to lose their exemption, then if, because this is within the file, if we interview one governor candidate from California, there's like 60 different names out there, so all of them have to, which is an impossible thing to do.

Then you're holding us to a certain standard that you're not holding to these radio shows, which are also under this, these conservative radio shows who aren't allowing every candidate to come on as well. And then they are even broadening it out, saying this is an archaic law because when this was used before, or policy,

because this was used before, was used before, you didn't have all the different media platforms that you have now. There's so many different ways to consume, you know, your political discourse or commentary, whatever it may be, and you're not holding them to the same standard that you're holding us, which now is it fair that only these two mediums are held to this standard, but none of the other ones are, which have even more influence on voters and people and how they view this administration, the government, or whatever. So to me, it's a big deal that they're making the argument in general to possibly change this policy to either cover everybody or that it shouldn't exist at all because there's so many different media

platforms out there. I think everything you said is absolutely correct. I think there is a political calculation that exists here too. And part of that calculation is that, yo, you're not going to tell us what to do, but you especially not going to tell us to do at 36% approval rating. You're just not. You're not going to tell us what to do when nobody is even fucking with you like that, right? Everything that you're doing is failing and you still, after all of that, are trying to act like you are the big mafia boss. Now, you're not that anymore. When you were that, we gave it up and not just us, but everybody. All of this, this whole argument was started, or not started, it was highlighted during the whole Crockett, Tala Rico, Stephen Colbert thing.

The difference is the Cook Brock. system, which is CBS, they are with Trump. They're with them. Broadcasting system. CBS, they're with them. They are part of the Trump intelligentsia over there, culturally maga over there, as their ratings continue to fucking plummet. ABC was at least willing to lie quietly. And now they're not.

I think there is a portion of it where they are being pushed too far. I think there's somebody else, and I know that I know the guy, and so I don't want people to feel like I'm throwing alley-ups for my friend. I think Jimmy's position in this is very important because as much as the Trump administration has been able to co-old other people that have presented a dissenting voice, they have not been able to beat Jimmy. They haven't been able to beat Jimmy. They haven't been able to intimidate Jimmy. they haven't been able to scare Jimmy they haven't been able to run Jimmy off TV Jimmy is standing right there going

fucking come on bring everything that you have yeah like bring more what else you got and is not it's dangerous to do that it's dangerous to do it Trump continues to make comedians hosts like Kimmel the avatar for everything that's wrong

with America which incentivize crazies to do all kinds of dumbass shit. Yeah. But the bravery of Kimmel's show and the entire fucking staff, everyone, this is a family affair over there, is kind of showing that you don't have to roll over and take it. I think ABC is definitely inspired by that. But at the same time,

it is a lower leverage thing to do now than it was when Donald Trump had everybody running scared. That is just not the case anymore. They over there with such bad policy and such unpopular stuff, they are poking holes in their own bully status. Donald Trump with every, like going to war in Iran, like what happened in Minneapolis, he's shredding his own bully pulpit because he's asking everybody to be as grotesque as he is. And even though they might, even though they might have voted for it, they're going, hold on for a second, man. Yeah. So I do think, I do think that what you're saying is true, but I also think that.

that a lot of people are standing up to him now in a way that they're having before because he's fucking up. I wonder if his approval ratings change will they pull back? Oh, they got to stay now. They have to stay in this. They got to stay now.

And honestly, it's something that probably should have been challenged before, but. It should have been. And it's also not working for Cuck Broadcasting. It's not. It's not working for him. Like, it's really not working for him.

Everything is getting fucked up. If, if, it's like, oh, sorry. No, go for now. Well, I was going to say, it's like everything. I mean, you're putting people who are not qualified to run something that they've never done before.

You can say that with the Department of Defense. You could say that with the Attorney General's office. You can say that with who's running CBS. They don't have the know-how. You're just putting people in who are loyal to you. And so what happens with that? The things are crumbling. What's the nigger name with the nice?

Jay, what's his name with the nice chin man? Who's on the morning show? Nah. Well, yeah, the guy that got to do a ton of, yeah. Tony? I don't know how you said What's the line name Chin man

I never I never thought of him in that way Tony Docopal DuCopal Tony DuCopal Hey man Chin man

Not cooking over there With this good looking ass Not chin man He got a good chin You ever noticed that before I do now I never thought of it that way Bring up the chin

It wasn't the first thing That I thought Not bring up the chin Hold on Look at the chin The chins are important are important for white boys. No, Donnie, am I wrong about this?

A jaw line's important for everybody. Everybody wants a strong jaw line. Men and women. Oh, am I saying, am I saying jaw what I mean? I don't know, you tell us. I think maybe you're right. He has a strong jaw line and a pronounced chin.

So which one is it? Let me look at him. I think it's the chin, man. I think he got, because he was a college baseball player. So there's a lot of discipline that he's had to. I know a lot of,

the bottom. I see. His wife is fine. What's the wife? Katie Turr. Katie Turr is the wife. She's fine. They are a fine group of whites. She's to the left of him. Oh, is she? Yeah, she to the left of him. They look good. They like, look, yeah, come on, man, that's the fucking chin. Dog, what the fuck y'all got going on?

Why do I always get, Donnie, look at him, doesn't he have a good looking chin? Yeah, I'll give it to him. Thank you. Prominium. Yeah. Like, like, yeah. Like, Chinman is failing. That shit is not going well. And everybody at CBS is mad. You know the leaks that are coming out of CBS?

They complain about everything. They're like, the fucking water is lukewarm in the building. She can't do anything right. We get bad tacos. Like, every... You guys aren't paying attention. Like, every story that's coming out of CBS news is something that's fucked up. Man, we used to have the best concessions in the building.

When Barry Weiss got here, now we eating steak. popcorn, pop tarts and shit like that. Chin Man failing. So I think all of this stuff is, you know, it's kind of leading people to say maybe Trump's coattails are not what they used to be. Yeah. Look, Maga-coded CBS Anchors ratings continue to spiral.

How Tony Ducopal became the face of Zionist fanatic. Bari, wow, that's a tale. Shout to the people as a tale. They never fuck around. They just go right for it. The tail doesn't fucking care. All right. I think.

Stephen A. Yeah, Donnie. Yeah, go for it. He was on Cam Newton's Funky Friday podcast last week. And he spoke about his wish for black people for one election. I wish for one election that every black person would vote Republican. What? What?

What? How can he say that? I said, it's simple. since 1964, the black people, black folks, we have been giving our vote to the Democratic Party at an exorbitant rate. Therefore, they know they got our vote, and they don't have to cater to us as much as we need them to. The Republicans know they'll never get our vote, so they don't give a damn about us.

And as a result, we're the only community in America devoid of representation, which is why we're considered disenfranchised. I'm tired of that. What I want is to put ourselves as a community in a position where both parties have to work to get our vote. You put your glasses on, so go ahead. You put your glasses on for this one. Oh, no, I just had to, you know, I got to put the glasses on. You know, I thought about this because I don't want black people to be disenfranchised.

I don't. I want them to have, you know, really, I don't know, how can I say it? See, I just want them to have desperate political representation. I want people to be desperate for black rights. But then I thought about something about Stephen A. Smith. Stephen A. Smith loves the ladies. He does. He does love the ladies, right?

It doesn't matter how bad it's going with the ladies. You know what Stephen A. Smith is not going to do? What? Try some dick. Okay. Do you know why? Why? Because that's not who Stephen A. Smith is.

Okay. Because as bad as it gets with the ladies, Stephen A. Smith is not going to go out and go. maybe a little dick will help something that's completely counter to my identity and what I want and need. It's not going to do that. I understand people saying, hey, black people should experiment politically. And I think that what that means is that black people should experiment politically to the left of the Democrats. They should experiment politically with things that are humanistic and are things that are based in justice and working people's rights. and, you know, health care and things like that.

But how could you experiment with the Republicans? You want me to vote for disenfranchising black people? You want me to vote for making DEI a cartoon character monster, like making blackness like an American deficiency? What are they, what are they offering? Vote, vote for them, vote for what? Vote for women losing their bodily autonomy? Like, vote for what?

When you say stuff like that, it what are you talking about like what am i voting for by the way the republicans are not not failing to cater to black people because they don't think they can get the black vote the republicans are failing to cater to black people because their base is obviously and viciously racist for this to come out on the heels of black people led by republicans being gerrymandered out of their voting power all over the South, their ancestral home is incredible. I'm not angry. I'm just saying this is odd and stupid and wrong.

You can say that it just is. Like you can say that, hey, the Democrats aren't doing enough. And I will agree. The Democrats need to be pushed. I will agree. I would say experiment to the left of them. Experiment with some political theory that might press on some nerves in your brain a little bit. But if you experiment to the right of them, then you vote for the people who need you gone in order to achieve their political ends.

How is that helping you? Yeah. So I guess Stephen A. Smith made, did this, gave this speech to a college. I'm not sure when he did it. But then he reiterates the statement that he made within that speech, which is the one that we just heard there, that he wished that. they could explore that everyone should vote Republican wants. So to your point, it's like, okay, let's just say he made that speech 10 years ago or whatever, before the Trump administration.

To then reiterate it now with all the things that you just said, I guess the word flabbergasted comes to mind, but it's just not a well-thought-out point. he's like it's simple no the simple thing is stop blaming black people for and making them the reason as to why they're in this situation and start demanding more from whoever's in the administration or from our politicians that's the simple thing it's not about hey go vote for this different party because that will make make the democrats say hey we got to do more it's just simple that our politicians just need to be doing more for us period that that's That's where the demand should come. And I hate this statement for so many reasons. I honestly don't know and I would love to. I wonder how effective Stephen A. Smith's opinion really is within the black community, how much weight it holds, how much influence it holds. I don't know that it does. But what I do know are that statements like this and thinking like this and this type of rhetoric is used as a weapon for the Republicans and for the MAGA movement.

And that's what he feels like when he makes statements like this. And just also, it just assumes so many things. One, it assumes that black people are a monolith and they all vote the same way and they all vote one way for a particular reason. Not true. He's assuming that people, black voters are uninformed, that they don't research their own policies and aren't making educated decisions when they go to the polls to vote. You're assuming that we just vote that way because we've always voted that way. The other thing is that it ignores why black people originally started voting for. Democrats because of what was done and because during the 60s, the strategy was to make, I guess,

or to get rid of or not have the civil rights progress that we do have. So he is ignoring why the original alignment was even there. The other thing is, is that he assumes evidence that's not even, let me say this again, he assumes facts that are not in evidence. He's assuming that or they would guarantee that if we started voting for Republicans, that the Republicans would in turn give us the favor of doing things that benefit our needs. And he assumes that if you vote for him, that means that a vote will be in the benefit of you. And then he's also assuming that if we vote for Republicans,

that the heart of Republicans would say, you know what, we're getting the black vote. Let me go ahead and start doing things that don't disenfranchise them, that are in favor of the minority need, that benefit lower socioeconomic status people and so on. And then the other thing is that this, to me, a statement like this shows his privilege because if, let's just say, black people are like,

you know what, what Stephen A. Smith is saying makes a lot of sense. I'm going to start voting Republican. They would be voting against their direct interest for all the things that you're saying with what the Republican Party and the Trump administration are doing now, and it would not affect him personally. So he's sitting at a place of privilege saying, vote for this and if it goes wrong, he won't be impacted with his $100 million contract

with ESPN in various places, but the people who actually need the change, who need democracy to work, who need policies that benefit them so they can get out of the current place that they're in are going to be the ones to suffer. It's just so ludicrous to me. Yeah, so, you know, very well said, and here's the deal. Here's the thing, you know. Roland Martin said. Roland said that, you know what Roland Martin said that, you know, black people are among the, amongst the most sophisticated voters. I think that Roland Martin is right because he said when the Republicans, the early days of,

you know, civil rights, not civil rights so much, but, you know, after slavery, radical Republicans and all of that stuff, seven mystic years into that, when the Republicans were the party that were coalesced around black rights, black people were Republicans. Then, for a whole host of reasons, the Republicans started having a problem with the ascension of black people politically and economically and socially in America, and they fought civil rights. And then black people were sophisticated enough to go, we're not beholden to this party anymore because this party is not beholden to us. Where is the party where we can access our rights? That became a Democratic party.

and then they started to vote Democrat, writ large, right? They voted for their citizenship. They voted for their voting rights. They voted for all of those things because those things were being offered by one party. One party was the one that was in, hey, if you vote for us, we'll deliver these things.

And early on there, they deliver them. Now I think we are at an inflection point where not just black people, but working Americans need to take a hard look critically at what they believe political, success to be. Like what is success? Like what is the goal? How do you frame your life as an American? Like, what's the framing around that? What do you think makes a successful American? What do you think makes a successful society? And are the politicians that you are electing? Are they interested in those

goals? Are you electing politicians that are interested in you having environmental justice? interested in you have an economic opportunity. Are you investing in politicians that are interested in things that you care about outside of America, the dignity of the global South, be it the plight of the Palestinians, be it American, American aggression all over the world, right? Are you, like, investing into politicians that actually care about these things? Are you investing into people that tell you that they care? And then when the rubber meets the road, they do something differently? And where are the people that you could actually build community with, political community,

that would actually care about those issues. I think that's fair to ask every black person right now, right? Ask them, like, especially as you kind of look at some of these numbers and maybe they seem a little bit unchanging. But I can tell you one thing. During the time that we've started to ask these questions, the Republicans have only gotten like more radical. It's a new group of radical Republicans.

And they're radical in a completely different way. They're saying, you guys deserve nothing and you are nothing. you fly the plane and the plane crashes that is the fucking am I going crazy? Am I tripping? No he is. They legitimately say

if Latisha flies the plane, the plane crashes. How the fuck I pose a vote for that? Yeah. What do you want me to? If you have an iota of consciousness or racial self-esteem, how the fuck can I vote

for the party that uses Felicia as a slur? What is he talking about? It makes sense. I'm so saying shit. I'm trying not to get all animated and stuff like that. But I look at this when people say that there are Manchurian candidates or people that are like getting paid and activated within different political groups to make people make the wrong decisions, I always say that that's bullshit.

Always. I say that that's bullshit. And it is bullshit. That is not true of Stephen A. Smith. I do not believe that at all. But God damn, if I was in a court of law and I was presenting evidence that that were the case, I would start with this.

I would be like, Perry Mason, I'll be like, you know, Perry Mason, be out there. I'll be out there, your honor. Look at this dumb shit. You would have to be an agent to say something like this, especially in the times that we're in right now. He literally says in the speech, the speech that he gave, he was like,

the Republican Party doesn't give a damn. So why would a vote for them further make them suddenly give a damn? Or if your argument is, which is fair, we've talked about it here, that Democrats believe that they are entitled to the black vote. They assume they're going to get it. And so they say things, but they don't necessarily do things that benefit it. Why then would you think that, oh, if I go vote for the Republicans, then they're going to start saying that they'll do things for me, but they're, but they'll

actually do it. It'll actually benefit them. Or wouldn't it just make the Democrats start saying, oh, we're really going to do it? And then they don't, like, it's this game of, oh, I'm just going to play with my vote and then get the party to say what I want. How do you know they're actually going to act. It's just, it's so, I, I don't disagree with him saying that maybe wholesale black people need to think of a different political strategy to enhance what they are getting from politicians. We don't, but don't put the blame on black people. Blame the politicians who aren't doing anything or who assumes certain things or who are telling you things just to get your vote. we as voters should be demanding more from our politicians and requiring them.

Otherwise, they don't get to be an office. They don't get a second term or a third, fourth, whatever it may be. That to me is the bottom line of it, not saying, you know what'll get them. Go vote for the other side. Literally, there's no evidence to show that that works. Vote for your own demise. I'm not the one that try to change black history. They try to, we beat it.

This is a dead horse. We beat it. We beat it. That was funny to me when I saw that. That was funny. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to stay on that. But like, do I agree that yes, there needs to be a different political strategy?

That's why we all need to get in rooms and talk about what this stuff is. But like that right there is just. That's not the strategy. They outwardly trying to fuck us up. What's next? God, damn. Yeah, what is next? James Charles

Influenced He's facing some backlash After he went off Over a message he received from a lady Who allegedly got laid off by Spirit Airlines So a little bit of context 17,000 people lost their jobs last week When Spirit shut down all operations

And one of these former employees Sent James a message with a GoFundMe link Asking for a donation And this is what James posted after he got that link I just got a DM on here from a girl That said Good morning James I know you'll probably never see this, but if you could just take one minute to read,

it would really mean a lot to me. I'm really struggling right now because Spirit Airlines just fell for bankruptcy, and I have lost my job. Here's a go-fund me, Link. Any donations help. I'm sure they do, sweetheart. I'm sure they do. You know what else would help you?

Getting another job. Yeah, try that. Because in the time that it took you to copy and paste the same fuck-ass message to myself, who you don't follow, by the way, and probably a hundred other influencers and celebrities. You could have applied for 100 other jobs, but you didn't because you're a lazy piece of shit and you're entitled and you think that influences and celebrities should fund your life for you. Why? Why?

Would I ever help you? You're not a fan. You don't even follow me. You've never supported me. This is your first time DMing. And you think that I'm going to send you money because you lost your job? Oh my God. Welcome to the real world, sweetheart.

People lose their jobs every fucking day. and you're white, pretty, and able-bodied. You're in a much better position than a lot of other people out here who are trying clearly much harder to make a better life for themselves. Why would I fucking help you? Aside from that,

17,000 people lost their jobs at superior airlines. Why do you think you need to go fund me? I can at least like 1% respect the mentality of closed-mouthed, that it doesn't hurt to try. But honestly, it does hurt to try because now you pissed me off, okay? I'm not the one. Go find fucking mysteries.

This is literally his entire schick. I'm sure the next YouTube video is literally going to be like, I rehired all 17,000 of the Spirit Airlines employees. It's going to be the real life hunger game. The last one of them to live the Spirit Airlines plane gets to be the CEO of the new company and gets a house that a car, $10 million that everybody else dies. Like, go find that video to compete in, baby.

I'm not helping you. I'm not fucking helping you. All you did was lost your job. Okay? Welcome to the real world. I can at least understand if you were like, James, I'm a longtime fan. Here's a trillion years of DM. Donnie, do you have a apology?

And my support for you. I love you. I'm suffering with a really. This diddy was fucking stupid. It was rude, it was obnoxious, it was privileged, and most importantly, it was completely fucking unnecessary. When I saw that DM, I absolutely had the choice to ignore it and say absolutely nothing at all and move on with my day.

But instead, I couldn't even tell you why her message just triggered me and I decided instead to make a video about it. And I bashed her and it was obnoxious and I shamed her for asking for help in a situation where she was clearly really struggling and this could have been her absolute last resort. I have no idea what was going on in her life. And I should have never assumed that she was just copying and pasting this DM as an easy way out.

I don't know. I just don't know. My intention behind making this video in the first place was I get a lot of messages like this every single day. And for me personally, it definitely sucks to receive messages from people that don't follow you and don't follow you. He goes on to say, thank you, D. He goes on to say, please, D. I tried to find your message and I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it.

So please, DM me. I would love to help you if I can. I do hope Mr. Beast does a video in response to that. Obviously, I'm giving that apology a big fat zero, which is also what James Charles is, a big fat zero. I mean, it just speaks to something bigger about people being out of touch with reality as influencers when they live in a world of social media

and how it's a growing problem that exists within our society. As so many people consume social media influencers and the content and information they put out, but just how unrelatable and out of touch the person with the platform is. 17,000 people lost their jobs at Spirit Airlines. We didn't cover that we were going to, we didn't.

Lost their jobs. It was immediate, it was sudden, they woke up, they didn't have a job. That is in an economy where gas is on average, what, three, four dollars. That's where your groceries are way more than they were before. That is where, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, 300,000 people have lost their jobs in the four months of 2026. That is the world we're living in. So think about how out of it you have to be to say, just go get another job and don't ask me for money. All this man needed to do

was see the DM and then just ignore it if you wanted to. But instead, and this is why people are so upset, he ignores the economic reality that a lot of Americans live in. He chose to humiliate

her publicly. And then he gives us, well one, he shows he also shows his privilege, and then he gives us this apology that means absolutely nothing. I have been in a situation where somebody said something with their full chest and a lot of passion. And then when they had to apologize because of all the backlash that they were

receiving and their job was in jeopardy, they give a emotionless, heartless, cold apology. And people are like, which one are you? No, you are the person who gave the initial response and you had so much emotion behind it. That was James Charles. He goes on, I don't even know how many minute rant degrading this person who has lost their job and possibly stands to lose so much more if they can't get another one just because they simply ask you to go fund their go fund me league and i saw this and a lot of people were talking about this i just think i guess i just kind of i know we do the apology rating but i just want to break this cycle of people who are entitled in privilege who with their whole chest reveal who they are their morals what they value what they what they

they consider in high regard in this society. And then they get backlash and that compromises their bottom dollar. They possibly might lose their entire, it might jeopardize their reputation. They might lose their job, money, all of that. So then they apologize. We're forced, we're told to accept it. And then the cycle continues again. Because this isn't the first controversy that James Charles has had. So I just, it frustrates me because I feel like people like that should be held accountable, I'm not saying that I'm promoting cancel culture, but let's not allow this person to have the influence that they do have when they're so irresponsible with their platform. So cancel then.

Fine. Don't support them. I'm not saying cancel, like, take his page down or whatever, but like don't support somebody who's so ugly to, like, who only lives in a bubble of people who are like them, who are similarly situated with them, with their socioeconomic status, with their job, with their job with the places that they do when the very people that you're talking down to is the audience that gives you the money that you have they're your followers they're the people who like they're the people who engage with your stuff and you're talking to them like they're pieces of shit and people

like that should not be rewarded i'm sorry it shouldn't and i think it's and i think that the way james charles is in this video is a reflection of i think it's a bigger thing it's a reflection of the society we live in. What we consider in high regard, once you get to a certain place in society, you devalue those underneath you. And I just think it's bigger than just this social media ran. It just shows how we are, how people are. Question for you. Do you think that celebrities are people? Yes. Okay. So I think this is the way we frame not what you're supposed to think but this argument around this. I think it's easier if we don't see celebrities as people.

Do you want to be seen not as a person? Yes. Don't you think that people already do that to you when they're, I'll use the Reddit for example. I think that when people talk like that, they're not considering that you're a person. I don't like that. Well, let me tell you why I think it's useful though.

So of course, celebrities are people. Now, if celebrities were people and we looked at them as people, we'd be forced to deal with them the way we deal with people. And the way we deal with people, the way you and I deal with each other or other people outside of this is people do something and you go, hey, too far. Too much. And then you see how that person responds. Now, people respond to things by going, hey, man, fuck you. Fuck you. You know, I like this move. I hope y'all watching on TV.

Donnie, do you like this one? This is better than, oh, Bernard. Do it again? Oh, yeah, it's better when you do it like that. I like when they... How many times did you see people do that in real life? Never. I've never actually in real life.

Y'all look, y'all look on, y'all have to watch. I've never seen in real life someone do this to something. Hey, fuck you, hey, fuck you. Hey, man, fuck you. You fucking Muleon. You're fucking Muleon. I've never seen them do that before. Molyan is funny.

I'll give a fuck with nobody. That's a funny one. I've never seen anyone do that. But, okay, so when people do that, then you get to decide whether or not that person actually cares. Like, sometimes you find out how much somebody cares

about hurting your feelings after they've done it. Like, after they've hurt your feelings, you find out, does this person care about this? Is this person willing to address their behavior? behavior, address my boundaries. Am I worth it to that person?

We do that for people in our lives all the time. Actually, it's a requisite. Like you teach that as kids. Say sorry. Be better. It's a requisite. We don't do it to celebrities. We don't do it with celebrities.

We assume that celebrities should already have known better, which is why we deperson them. The reason why I think that it's better if we don't look at them as people is because celebrities need to be controlled. I'll tell you why I think this and why I know this. I know firsthand the direct and obvious manipulation tactics that celebrities use to craft public image. I know the links that they go, even the best ones, the cool ones.

I know the links that they go to. I know the chances that they take in order to make themselves a synthetic version of humanity. And I know that those things that they do are only governed by how you respond. Correct. So if this video would have come out

and everybody would have been like, hey, James is the best and she shouldn't be asking, James wouldn't have done nothing. This video came out, and James got the backlash that people would have for someone who said something so obviously wild. So James tempered his approach on it. Now, if we treat James as a person, then we have to say, hey, James made a mistake.

He thought something in a real way that wasn't humanistic and that he realized it was wrong. and him apologizing took a lot of courage, him apologizing took a lot of self-reflection. That's the right thing to do. It's the only thing that you can do after you fucked up so bad. The only thing you can do is say sorry and offer heartfelt apologies

and didn't do something else. That's treating him as a person. If we treat them as a celebrity, which is how I think we should actually do this, is we go, hey, you've crossed us, we make you. So go sit in the corner. like you we make you you're nothing without us we as a group of people have decided what we think is appropriate and if you go out and you do that type of shit we're not fucking with you that is the

same conversation we're having when people are making records and at the same time they're assaulting people when people are uh uh making acting and at the same time they're supporting all this terrible grotesque political stuff. What we're saying is, hey, I don't want to support you if you support putting kids in cages and all of that stuff like that. My affinity for you makes you who you are. If you like that, I'll find somebody else's support. And my overall point here is that you can't have it both ways.

if we're if you decide that we're going to treat people as people then we have to be understanding in the fact that people are going to fuck up and they're going to have the wrong taste and then we have to kind of deal with the reality of how they fuck up and how they come back from it but if we treat celebrities like what they actually are

which is walking, talking, breathing brands, their advertisements, everything on their body was given to them by somebody who wants to see them in it. Every thought in their head for a lot of them, for a lot of them, is meticulously crafted. It's the language is crafted. The walk is crafted. All of it when you get to a certain point. And that enriches them. Then we have to be able to box them in when the shit on their, the stuff on their body is made out of elephant skin. The ideas in their head are politically putrid. We have to be able to go, nope, don't like it. Get to the edge. We'll put

somebody else that we're like. That's the power of the average person when dealing with a celebrity. But you can't have it both ways. You can't have some celebrities that are people and other celebrities that are entities. Well, we disagree. I mean, I think that I think that

not all celebrities are the same, right? Not every celebrity has a particular crafted, and there's an image. There's a brand there for sure, but not every celebrity moves the same way. Definitely. a lot based on what you said.

There are a lot of celebrities who move that way, but not all celebrities move because celebrities are famous or public figures are famous for different reasons. So their brand might not be the perfectly curated everything from head to toe. I'm like a walking advertisement. They might be a public figure for a different reason. So I'll disagree on that part. But the reason that the danger to me and not considering celebrities a person is where that can lead to.

the slippery slope of that. It allows people to not look at you as a human being with feelings or you're void of that kind of thing. And so then they talk to you any kind of way. Which we've been subjected to the right. Like anybody and words, actions, they have an impact on you. And so if you start going down this road of a celebrity, don't treat them like a person, then it allows, it opens a door for people to treat you any kind of way because they don't

look at you. They don't value you as a human being. So I think that that can be dangerous. I think that there is a way to look at a celebrity as a person. We'll use James Charles here. And they do something, continuously do certain things. And you hold them accountable for what they do. They apologize, right?

And it's up to you as a consumer. Do I want to continue to support what you're doing or do I not? And I think that you can treat somebody as a human being with that. I can hold you accountable for it to where you say you're sorry or maybe you donate to Spirit Airlines GoFund me in general or maybe you particularly donate to this woman or maybe you don't and then I decide what I want to do after that. That's still treating somebody as a human being. Not to me. It's just holding them account. You hold human beings accountable and you decide what you want to do, how you want to move after that. Right. So the reason why I say, so the apology rating is a good metric of this, right?

The apology rating almost always gets like a one or two. It does. So every time we put somebody in the – Every time we put somebody in the apology rating segment, it's to kick their ass for apologizing. And so – Because their apologies suck. Right.

But the reason – so this is my point, though. My point is I don't give a fuck about that because I understand that what you're actually doing is what I'm sitting. just thing that people do. Now, here's a deal. When I say treat celebrities not like people and treat celebrities like brands, there's also a personal responsibility here.

The question to me always is, how is your humanity reflected in the way you would treat someone? So how is you, fuck them. Accepting an apology or even asking for forgiveness that's a reflection on you. That is how, like, you're, we get to a certain point

to where how you view people in your relationships with them, you should not take continuous abuse from people or continuous bad behavior. I'm not saying that at all, right? I'm not saying that to anyone because we don't do that. But what I'm saying is,

if you are the type of person that understands everything that I'm talking about surrounding celebrity and chooses to treat people like total shit, then that says more about, you than it does them. I don't know one big star that doesn't have PR. When someone hires and has PR, that is so they look a certain way to the public.

That is so they look a certain way to the people that consume the stuff that they're doing. I know the celebrities that I know, they're good people. Like the people that I know, like huge stars. Like they're good people, like legitimately good people. But they are people who it is their job to maintain a certain percentage. of themselves in the public. So there are things they don't say when they should say them sometimes. There are things that they say to me that they don't say publicly.

There are things that they say and then they don't really mean them. Right? All of this is because part of their industry is maintaining a certain reputation with the public. It's just like being a politician. The most frustrating thing about the politician is you have a conversation with the politician on the fucking phone. The politician gets here and you go, why do you care about this so much? and they go, well, you know, I'm the son of a single mother that worked in a coal mine in South Hawaii in 1913.

I'm like, what the fuck, nigga, I just talked to you. I was just on the phone with you. I was just on the phone with you. And you was regular. And now we're talking about single coal mine shit. You're doing the shit. Don't do the shit. But it's a high leverage job where their public image has to be sort of groomed and maintained.

I'm saying this. It is easier for people to me. to say when people get out of line, we bust their ass, we get them back in line. We have people that align with our values. We don't accept any shit from them. Because if it's about treating people like people,

then we have to understand, man, we have so many people in our lives that have done such terrible things, that have been such terrible places, that have overcome such things, then you would have to look at this and accept this apology. You'd have to be like,

hey, this is a guy that thought he was being funny, thought he was getting some shit off, thought he was saying all of this stuff, and then maybe he realized that this was wrong and he is just a dude after all or just, I want to say just a dude. Is it, he's just a... I think he goes by a guy.

He goes by a guy, okay? I'm trying to be straight up. I'm trying to be shout out. Yeah, I think, yeah. Okay. And we have to, some of these apologies, we'd have to accept, is what I'm saying. Some of them, we'd have to accept some of them.

Sometimes we'd have to accept them. Well, let's not start with this one. Let's not start with this one. Okay. But I understand what you meant because when I started looking at all of this shit, this guy is a serial, he pushes the lot. A lot.

And then we just, he just comes right back. And I don't know. And maybe that's the difference. It's like with the treating them like people versus, it's like this guy has a huge platform, which means he has a lot of influence, which means he's pushing out a certain thought or rhetoric or, you know, mindset to his millions and millions of followers.

And when so many people get their news and information just from the people they follow, it creates a certain mindset. And it's just not great. I mean, to you, but to your point with the Reddit, right? Sorry, y'all. To your point with the Reddit. It's their Reddit. It is their Reddit. They created it.

It's their Reddit. So I'm on the Reddit and I'm doing all this stuff. I'm like, yo, you know, they put my mom on the Reddit. They do all that. I'm like, no, this is not for me. I'm not a, to your point, I'm not a person to them. Like, I'm a dude spewing stuff. I'm not a person to them.

So my thing is, if it's fuck me is fuck you. That's the way that it works, the hoarse doctrine. If it's fuck me, it's fuck you. And at the same time, get out of they fucking Reddit. Let them have they read it. Is they read it? Yeah. No, no, no, I get it.

Yeah. I just feel like, you know, when we come on this podcast, I'm not pretending to be anybody except being myself. Like I'm not, this is not a brand. This isn't anything. Now there were other platforms that I was like. You said there were various versions of Rachel. Right.

This is the platform where I'm myself. Right. More than any other platform. But you do on your social media. Project a certain version of yourself. I mean, I put up higher learning. Yeah, I know. But like when I'm saying, I'm not trying to get into a conversation that gets into you.

I also think there are certain things that I won't put on. No, there's certain things that I may have said on this podcast that I will not put on my page. True. Very true. Very true. Very true. Right. So, you know, I'm not trying to act like I'm not. So, and it's, and that's a part of it, man. You know, you know what? I'm going to to the Reddit, man. Shout out to the Reddit, man. Shout out to y'all. What y'all got going on? You know what I, the Ring of Vers redid I went off on.

Did you see that? No. I went crazy on the Ring ofverse right. Why are you over there? Why haven't you learned your lesson? But I thought that the Ringervverse was in community because we nerds. That hurt. Like that. The Reddit is a place to get your shit off. Well, we, I thought. See, I hold nerds to a higher standard. That's what really happened.

They were mad because we didn't cover a specific show. And you went off on them because of that? They was just going crazy. The show was called Invincible. Oh, okay. It's a car. And then, you know, the funny thing is, I did start watching some of it. Should have covered it.

They were right. That bitch is crazy, man. They were right. Because it's just one guy they put on, his name Thrag. Thrag. Thrag. Yeah. Is this an animated thing?

It's an animated thing. The animation don't look. little crazy, but they put drag on this bitch, man. Man, drag. Man, thrag that nigga, man. You can make it up to your Reddit, folks. I can't do it now. I can't do it now.

Because now... You already told them they were right. But see, I have no problem. I admit when I'm wrong. I'll say this. The thing about them is the tough thing now is that I can't... I have a problem with... I'm not your bitch.

You're not going to bitch me. I'm not your bitch. But if you were wrong, as you said, you don't have a problem. Admitting. Then maybe it's like, we should cover it. That'll make you their pitch. We're like, yeah, y'all had a good point.

But here's the thing. You're right. That nigga Thrag crazy, first of all. Let me see what he looks like. Like, bring up Thrag right there. He got a fade. He got power. He didn't push Mark to a new limit.

The show really got back on track and I didn't want to watch it. But everybody kept talking about it. I was making these jokes and all of this stuff. She said Thrag has a fade? He got a Caesar. He got a Caesar. He got a Caesar. You know what I'm saying?

He got a seizures played by Lee Pace and I watched some of the shows and the show's all crazy. But I was disappointed in them because I expect, if anyone else, I expect nerds to understand me even more than black people.

Because nerds, that's me, man. I'm one of them. So you're a nerd first, then black, then a man. So let's rank them. Because you know how they do that. You know, they'd be like,

I'm black first, then I'm a woman first, then I'm like, you know how people say that kind of stuff. That's crazy. Let's do the rankings. Hey, do you ever told you about the craziest line

that a black woman ever told me? Mm-mm. So, um, moonlight came out. Okay. And La La Land came out. And I liked La La Land better than Moon Night.

Everything's better than Moon Night. I like La La Land better than Moonlight, right? Yeah. All right. I love Moonlight. Love Moonlight. Shout out to Barry, or Herschel Monei

Tramante Rose Andre Holland beautiful fucking brutally beautiful movie right but La La Land is about people coming to LA and what you have to give up and all that stuff it struck me deeply I love the La La Land so I go on TMZ

and I go I think La La Land is better than Moonlight the black community was none too pleased of course my people reached out I never forget this sister hit me and she goes so La La Land is a story about a heterosexual couple out there chasing their dreams in LA you resonated with that Moonlight is about black people finding love

queer black people finding love or the journey of a queer black man to understand and accept his identity she goes it's possible that you're straighter than you are black and I was like fuck I was just dropped it's possible that you're

it's possible that you're straighter than you are black how does that make you feel then got off the phone I'm like what you can't just leave she wanted you to sit with it yeah she wanted you to sit with it and you did here you are all these years later still sitting with it

I still like La La La Land better it's just you know kind of is what it is. Moonlight has is one of my favorite movies, but I just see it's very close. Like Lala, like Lala, that's slightly better.

But back to the ranking. So now we got to add straight in there. Straight. Yeah. Straight is very important. So you said you're a nerd before you nerds get you. I never said that. You said,

I'm sorry, you said nerds understand you better? No, I said that the nerd thing. Okay, so this is what happened. What was the exact statement? It was not great. Okay.

If I'm being honest. But the nerd thing, growing up, I, the nerd thing was the thing that, because I grew up black and everybody, I never had any issues with the black thing, right? But the nerd thing was what I had issues with. Even with the brothers, they would be like, what the fuck is Monty Python and the Holy Gras, why are you looking? We're not watching this shit.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I used to watch Fat Beach with the homies. And after Fat Beach, can we put on, you know, we're not watching that. So the nerd thing is like, where. I really had to like struggle to find other nerds. And so I expect safety with the nerds in a way that I might not even expect safety with some of the brothers because me and the brothers used to compete. We used to compete for.

We used to compete for. But me and the nerds, there was nothing to compete for. We was at the lock in. So you're at the lock in as adults. That's, is that not a fact? Donnie, what's the next subject? Is anyone going to say anything on my behalf? Because when I, because when I, nope,

Bernard, nope. I need it from Jade. Because there's something that's happening where it's a Jade like a Rachel thing and a Van Bernard thing and that can't happen. I need it from Jade. I need it from Jade because that was

a shot and everybody can hear Donnie, was that not a shot? Is anyone going to stick up for me? Who's going to stick up for me? You you deserve to feel what's the word? It's so hard for her. No. To be honest, I was

To be honest, I was like, I was like, I was working on some things. Look at you, you're so happy with yourself. No, I'm not. As an adult, wasn't necessary. You are not to stand in your truth and be happy in your truth, regardless. Well, for the new listeners, there might be somebody new who's listening to this podcast for the first time, and they are unaware of the original story. So I was just adding context to it, which is that you were, in fact, grown. And you're also allowed to like.

I'm not going to like your Donnie, you're allowed to like your nurse in. Donnie, Donnie, are you good at. Is anybody, I'm sticking up.

Who's who, no, it was too, you took too long. I was, I was doing something. Donnie is, is it okay if I have a moment

where I, is that, is, I'm being attacked right now. Am I not done? Attacked. Attacked? I feel like she just stated what it was.

You were 21 at a lock in at the mall. Fuck you guys, bro. 21 years old. I'm drinking. age with, more context.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. By the way, before we move on, my niggas at the lock in reached out. Shout out to Irvin.

Shout out to Kevin. Oh, I love that you'd keep in touch with them. Shout out to all my people. Shout out to Trey. Shout out to Dakota. Two people got married. Oh,

from the lock-in. Yeah. Well, Dakota's sister used to be there. And she got married to Demetrius. Demetrius married Dakota's sister. Oh, wow.

Love at the lock-in. Mm-hmm. Brianna. Hey, y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder, what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up? That sofa was four days old. You should have ordered from Wayfair.

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All right. Next fucking topic, I'll be quick on this one. All right, Caitlin Clark. She joined Morgan Wylan in his concert in Indianapolis. Saturday night as a part of his Still the Problem Tour. Clark is the latest big name to help while and kick off the start of a show. There were others such as Drake, Nick Saban, Moneyback, Yo, Tom Brady, Marshawn Lynch, Patrick Mahomes.

The list could go on and on and on. There are a lot of people that did this. We haven't talked about Caitlin in a while. Where are y'all's thoughts when you saw this? I wasn't surprised. Surprised about what? That Caitlin Clark did a walkout in Indianapolis with Morgan Wallen.

Why aren't you surprised? She looks like she'd be a fan of his music. So I'm going to say this. First of all, Caitlin Clark is in no way, shape, or form of racist. No way.

She's a form of racist. Caitlin Clark is... Right now, I have a nickname from Caitlin Clark that I'm shopping around. Go ahead. Madam Morrison. Why? Because her career

it's kind of shaping out closer to Adam Morrison than it is anything else. I say that in jest. Caitlin Clark, as of late, on the basketball court, is going through it. The first game that she played, she scored 20,

but she had like five or six turnovers. She shot like 30% from the field. She was like two of nine from three. So something's happened with Caitlin Clark since she's been dealing with her injury issues to where she's lost her three-point shot. Yeah, she kept leaving the court. during, I watched the game, she kept leaving to get adjusted for her back.

Right. So she's not hitting her threes. She's turning the ball over. The fever had a lot of success on the court without Kaelin Clark. And so a lot of people are wondering what Kailen Clark is like as a basketball player, right? The Morgan Wallen thing, shout to all my people over at Outkick that were outraged, that I put LOL over the top of, is outraged. And the reason why I thought it was funny.

Funny, not because I think Caitlin Clark is a racist. No. Kailen Clark in any way is aligned with Morgan Wallen because she liked the fact that Morgan Wallen said the inward. If you don't know, Morgan Wallen said the N-word back in the day. And here's the thing for Morgan Wallen. Once you are in the N-word Hall of Fame as a white guy, it's a Hall of Fame you can't really get out.

Yeah, it doesn't matter how many rappers you have featured all your albums or all of that. Right. Black community doesn't forget. There's a lot of things that the community will accept. A white guy saying the N-word for a lot of people still is that type of cardinal sin to where they're going to believe in perpetuity. That's some kind of way that is in your heart. And when you look at a black person, you see niggins.

And it's a tough thing. The reason why I said LOL is after Kailn Clark had had the game that she had to where everyone was talking about whether or not she is viable. the face of the WNBA anymore, I couldn't think of a funnier occurrence. Legitimately. I know. I couldn't think of a funnier thing for her to do, a funnier thing for her to do than to walk out with Morgan Waller.

So Kaelin Clark is such a lightning rod. I fuck with her and joke with her, right? It's clear how talented Caitlin Clark is, but she has become a lightning rod for stuff that has nothing to do with basketball, that is not necessarily fair to her. Also, a lot of this stuff is not fair to Angel Reese, how Angel Reese is treated, and how these guys have these guys,

how these ladies have been pitted up against each other. But after you have the game, the first game of the season, where it looks like some of the struggles that you've been having on the basketball court are going to carry on into this season, and it's one game. It's one game. It's one fucking game, right? Dallas Wings look good, though.

Page getting busy. They look good. Yeah. Yeah, Paige getting busy. Page, not page. Out of 10, man. You know what I'm saying? It's like page out there.

Bing, bong, bing, boom, bong, bing, boom. It's a good game. Yeah, it was a good game. So, like, after she had that, the funniest thing to do was after that to walk out with an in-world white boy. Like, that's just, I'm like, is Kailin sitting back like, all right, the season's up,

let's give him something to talk about, right? And so that's why it was funny to me. Is this a thing? No. Like, Morgan Wallin, I don't know his music, but people love the music. I know a couple of songs and the shit be going a little bit.

They're good. They're good. So there have been so many people who have walked out with Morgan Wallen at this point. So many people. I don't think any women. I think she might be the only,

I was looking at a list and I couldn't find another woman. Right. Oh, okay. That's interesting. It's interesting. It's like mostly like athletes. Athletes.

Athletes. You had martial. A lot of black people. A lot of black people. You had Drake. Yeah, Patrick. Yeah. I had to

It was there in front of me I had to I had to I had to It was just so easy It was so easy That was a shot Oh no it was

But I had to I wasn't going to Get the fucking mic off Bernard please Get the mic off bernard I wasn't gonna say anything I said it And then I was like Oh wait it's just so right there in front of me

I have to throw them in there It was just too easy That's funny I mean it's not untrue It's too easy So like you know Walking out with Morgan Wallin It's not exactly the most controversial thing right now

But it was funny for her to do it, knowing that it would be steroids for this Caitlin Clark, sociopolitical debate over who her fan base is and all of that stuff, along with the fact that she had just had this game where people are wondering, like, is Caitlin Clark the basketball player that we thought she was? That's what I was thinking of. And it was a loss. They lost the game. And she was like, well, I got to finish this press conference.

Get ready, get adjusted one more time, because I got a long walk from backstage to the stage. I thought of it the same way that you did. But sometimes I think people think that she's indifferent. But then I think people also, when it comes to, I guess, black issues, but I think people also forget that she has spoken out about her privilege. She's definitely talked about it. And that she knows that people have paved the way before her that don't look like her. She understands the privilege that she has within the WNBA system.

She's talked about people don't use my name. to degrade other WNBA black players, and somehow that always gets lost in the conversation. And I'm not here to take up for her, but the reality of the situation is she has spoken out multiple times. But I think either people don't know it. They choose to ignore it.

But to your point also, it's just Morgan Wallen and he never gets, they're never going to be okay with. They think that if you affiliate with Morgan Wallen, then you are, that is saying something. And some people just can't see past that. You know, with her, I'll say this. I think there's a bunch of different arguments that are being had. Number one, I want Caitlin Clark to be a great player

and to do all the same shit she did in college, and I tell you why. Yeah. I'll tell you why. I love having players that are fucking phenomenal that I hate, that I get to root against. I like having great players to root against. Yeah. Because, number one, nothing is better than when a great player subjugate you with the sheer force of their sports will.

And it's happened before. LeBron basically did that. Wimby is doing that to me right now. I got the Wimby sick. Get the fuck off me. Wimby, you know, I came out as a, I debuted as a Wemby hater early on. You did.

Early on I was with the Wemby hate. And Wimby, man, even in games where he can't make a shot, man, that bitch had 12 block shots. I'm like, God damn, it's going to be hard hating on this guy. But I'm up for the challenge, you know. It's the rivalry of it. It's what makes it. We talked about the Caitlin versus Angel.

Even though one was favored more than the other, it still benefited them both. It brought attention to it, like, raised their platform. Right. Like, it's, you want rivalry in sports. You want someone to root against as equally as you want somebody to root for. There's one thing I hate more than any individual players because they're players. I hate when somebody doesn't reach their potential because it's such a profound thing. When somebody comes out and they have to.

have all of this talent and all of this potential. And then they don't reach it for reasons that deal with injury or maybe it's in their head or whatever. Man, I watched this fucking YouTube video about Jimmer for Debt. And I was like, God damn. It would have been fucking awesome if Jimmer for Debt, Jimmer for Debt, Jimmer for Debt would have been able to like make the same type of impact. I just don't like that. I don't like when you was the man at one point. And then you're not demanding me.

Yeah, yeah. I do not like that. So I don't want to see that happen to her because the longer she struggles, the more I'm going to actually be rooting for her to figure it out. Yeah, you don't want them to have peaked. Right. But this was fucking funny, and I'm sorry, guys. After that game, everybody's like, can Caitlin Clark fucking do it?

By-blah, blah, blah, everybody overreacts to the first game. I'm putting in it in all group checks. And then she walks out with Morgan Wallin, and everybody goes, she's leaning into the people that are the Caitlin Clark peers that represent the worst parts of the internet. She's just, that's funny. Fuck what y'all talking about. That's funny.

That's funny. All right. I'm done. No more topics for me. Oh, I got one more. I got one more. Donnie? This is called a clear-out.

All right. Yeah, the internet was buzzing this weekend about a white lady who has openly supported Trump online, becoming a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Incorporated at Stillman College. She apparently has made some of her socials private. But yeah, this is calls an uproar. and we have a divine eye representative to react to this. Yeah, I mean, guys, 20206 is supposed to be a good year for all of us, year of the firehorse.

But it is burning up in a way for the AKAs that I could have never predicted. I mean, this might be the worst of the worst. You know, it's already controversial. to hat when you see, for some people, a white person or non-black, go to an HBCU. It's even more controversial when they pledge a Divine Nine sorority or fraternity

at an HBCU. And let me be clear, there's a vetting process, right? And to each their own, right? That's a whole other conversation we can get in and whether you think that should happen or not because of, you know, historically why the Divine Nine was created, in what they were excluded from, and can a person who's not black

carry out the mission and the goals and all of that and further the foundation of the sorority or fraternity in the same way a black person could? That's an argument for a different day, but let's just talk about this. To be in a, I'll say, D9,

you are vetted, or at least just supposed to be. You go through an application process, you have to have letters of recommendations, to which I say, who wrote that letter? You have to have letters of recommendation from somebody within the sorority fraternity, your resume, community service,

all these things have to go out there. I would imagine, for me, when I pledge, all we had was Facebook, so there wasn't a deep dive into social media, but I would imagine in 2026 there would be. Now, this, the girl who is being alleged to be the white, aka Trumper, who attends an HBCU,

She has her pages private, but there are some sites that show that she reposted a lot of anti-Kamala Harris stuff. Her sorority sister. She reposted a lot of anti-Kamala Harris stuff and in favor of pro-Trump stuff. And to that I say, how did this happen? Again, I repeat. And I'm sorry to keep saying this. But Delta Cipater would never. we would never

how did this pass the process at this point you guys need to come together and you need to strategize you know we spend a lot of this podcast talking about the left and the Democrats but there needs to be a call in of alpha-pacapa alpha and figure out what the hell is going on

too many public mistakes are happening I just I'm worried about y'all I'm speaking of a place of from concern. And that's really all I have to say. At this point, they can't take her letters away. Nah, she wanted them. But, like, I've seen videos of her

in her pink and green, holding up, you know, the mirror, putting her hands outside to side like y'all do. I'm not going to imitate it. Why not? It's rough. It's rough. And I'm just rooting for y'all to get a win in 2026.

This is well said. Let me ask you a question. Should white people be able to join D9 sororics? I said that's where I... I want to ask you, like should white people be able to join D9 fraternities and sororities? Ask you a question.

Shout out to my man Sam White. Sam White is a capital. His sister is a Delta. White. His sister's a Delta. Where? This is a Delta. Oh no.

I think in Philly, they have like maybe city chapters because I think Sam went to like either Villanova or a temple or something like, anyway, whatever. I don't know. It's tough, right? It's tough, right? Because these sororities and fraternities were built because in a response to racial exclusion and oppression.

Mm-hmm. So it's like, can a non-Black person authentically represent and carry forward an institution that was built on these things? It's tough. I'll tell you this. prior to me being in my chapter there was everybody was black since I have left there are non-black people a part of the

sorority or our chapter I would just say this it would be hard for me to be in line strutton behind a white person but I can't say that they like I it's just it's tough it's tough

it's I just think that they have to be, let me say this way, I'm not going to say that they shouldn't. They should just be properly vetted. And clearly that was not done here. Like I don't, I know non-black people that pledged at University of Texas in other D9 fraternities, sororities and fraternities. So I don't want to say that they can't. And they're great people, the ones that I know. but you just got to be truly understand what this means to people who have pledged this, what it means to the people who've come before you, what this was built on, and what your duty is as a member within this organization moving forward is,

like what you're supposed to carry out, what you're supposed to represent. And I tell you, it's not Trump. I mean, just the craziness of it. Like, how did this happen? Trump is literally actively fighting DEI. and taking money away and doing things that specifically impact the schools that you go to, the jobs that you may have, and the very organization that you're a part of.

And you let one of them in, allegedly. I'm just, all right, I'm not, I got nothing to add. I just want to ask you the question, just let you know that. I saw it and I said, it's not getting enough attention. No, you jump, the D9 battles is beginning. It's not getting enough attention. The D9 battles is beginning. All right, take us out.

We out of here. Shout out to the A.K.A.'s, man. May this battle with you and Rachel. I'm ruining for you. Y'all thought y'all were up. When it commonly getting off is 2021. 2020, November 2020 to 2024. Yeah.

Thought they were up. Put all of this together. I can't wait. Take D. Caps off. Do not stop learning. I'm Van Lathan Jr. I'm Rachel Lynn Lindsay. Ooh.

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