Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Kevin Durant vs. Michael Rapaport, Matt Gaetz Investigations, and the Quavo and Saweetie Video

Episode Date: April 2, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss the internet feud between Kevin Durant and Michael Rapaport (18:00), the investigations into Florida Representative Matt Gaetz (31:00), and the video of the elevator altercation between Quavo and Saweetie (41:00) before answering some mailbag questions (1:07:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Huh! Ha! Yeah! Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors! Get on the good foot! Time for higher learning. Ew. What's so funny about that? How'd you were gonna go? War! Good God, y'all. That's what you sounded like at first. But that's the thing, though. That's the, that's how it's not. They used to get, oh, it's I, Van Lathan. It's me, Rachel Lindsay. They used to what? That's how they used to be, they used to be way more excited about it.

songs. Okay, so last week we had the parentheses, which by the way, I was listening to a 90s playlist and I can't tell you how many songs had the parentheses. Right? Shoup, ascension. Yeah. Maxwell. I'm trying to remember what else. Woop, there it is, came up like you said. DeAngelo, untitled. That's right. Pertheses, how does it feel? Pertheses is a big deal. You are not lying. I don't know how I didn't notice this. And I wasn't recording any of this. That's okay. Take the top. Take the Zoom off the top. Take the Zoom off the top.

Okay. We got the Zoom. It's that kind of podcast. It's that kind of part. It's that kind of part. You know, they used to be more excited about songs. Now people do songs, right? And it's like, yeah.

Hey. Ah, da-da-da-da-da. They used to really get into songs. Hey. Hey. Hot top, my. Go-God. Oh, come on.

Oh, think, that way. Think about Michael Jackson. Think about how excited Michael Jackson was. Like he was really excited about it. Before it even started. Before it even started. Before the song even started. You're right. Before the song even started, Mike was all into it.

This is getting me ready for verses for Easter Sunday. You got Earth Wind and Fire versus the Isley Brothers. Earth Winner Fire versus the Isley Brothers. Steve Harvey is hosting it. I'm not going to watch it. Okay. Can we just start off talking about that? Why?

How are you not excited about that? I don't know. Nah, I'm not going to watch it. I'll be honest with you. I want to believe that I will watch it. But I'm waiting for the why. This doesn't interest me. Really?

To see, I mean, when's the last time you seen that? Are you not a fan of these groups? Maybe that's what this. I'm a fan in that. There are other groups from that era that I'm a fan of more. Like, I love the Gap Band. I love the Gap Band so much. I think the Gap Band, to me, the Gap Band,

is the best of all of them. I think the cat band is stupid underrated, right? Earth Winter Fire, I like. They got jams that I listen to them when they come on at weddings and different situations like that. The Isley brothers, I like, I like Mr. Big, that whole era.

You know what I mean? I like the oldest stuff between the sheets and all that stuff like that. It's amazing, right? But I'm just not, I'm not gonna watch that. I'm not tuning in for that. I just think it's seeing these legends come together. Now it's like a bigger production

that Steve Harvey is hosting it. I don't know. There's just a lot of excitement. excitement around it to me. Like, I plan on making a whole thing of it. I guess you won't be joining us. I'll be real with you. I don't care about the legends.

Like, I don't. Really? No, I don't like... So you didn't like Patty and Gladys? That's different. That's different. Why? They're legends.

Because that is music that I still listen to. It's not the fact that they're legends. It's not that you don't like the legends. It's just you don't listen, still listen to these groups. That's what it is. And that's okay. And that's okay. But what I'm saying is,

just because they're legends, okay, it's not going to make me watch it. All right. Who would the Gap Band go against? Who would the Gap Band go against? Let's see. If you could get the Commodores back together with Lano Richie, that would be a good one.

By the way, the Commodores had a big hit post-Lano Richard. You remember that joint? The Night Shift. Marvin. It was about Marvin and Jackie Wilson who had just died I don't know if I knew that was the Commodores. That's why I'm like pausing.

On a night shift. My mom used to cry when the song would come on because it was about Marvin game. Yeah. Jackie, ooh, who, like the night shift. I wish I don't know. Van has been singing since even before we got on this podcast. I'm telling you, man,

they used to be jams. There used to be real jams, man. What happened to the jams? What happened to the jams? I mean, his songs out there that's got a bop. Don't get me wrong. They got a groove. What happened to them? But the whole, it's not the whole thing. Like, it was a jam because it was the beat. It was the lyrics. It was who it was. It was the presentation of the whole thing. Now it's like, oh, that's got a good beat. Oh, the lyrics are good. You know what I'm saying? It's not the whole thing together. It's true. Right.

They don't do it like that anymore. Don't do it. Some of them do. Who got the most jams right now? I'm talking about jams. You know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about who got them jams? You listen to it?

You got me, man, this got them jams on it. Who got the jams? I think about it. I got to think about this. There's several artists that I love. I love her. I love R.E. Lennox. I love Jasmine Sullivan.

You know what I mean? but I'm just talking about the jams. The jams that make you feel good that make you like, I'm so happy I can be alive to hear this song and groove to it. You know what I mean? The jams. You know what song does that for me right now? Is the Silk Sonic.

Really? Yeah. Okay. It's okay. We got different tastes. That's all right. You know, I'll be Sunday. I like Silk Sonic.

I like Silk Sonic. I don't hear anything like that right now. So I guess it's hitting. me a little different. Yeah, that's like a contrived jam, though. You can tell they, they're trying to make the jams. They're trying to bring us back to the time of the jam. Absolutely. Absolutely.

But there's also nothing else like that. So right now, so I'm all about it. Do you know what I will watch? You know what I will watch? I would watch, I would watch, I would watch, Ers went in fire against the Isley brothers if it were hosted by Lori Hart. Okay. Then I would watch it. Okay. So I think that they missed the shot.

Well, maybe she'll, okay. Well, you're probably, I think that there was an opportunity. You're not getting it. You're not getting it. So past the Harvey baton. No offense to Lori, but this is, that's not a stage for her. I'm just saying, they had an opportunity

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Why? Because I walk around. I walk around. Not like me. I just feel like you're one of those people, though, where things just happen. Either you're more able to see it and maybe other people are ignoring it. But things just happen to you. But go ahead.

Tell your story. What happened? What was interesting? Hold on for a second. I'll tell you what this. So after there was a crime that happened, around my neighborhood that I think we talked about. I didn't download it something called the Citizen App.

Do you know what Citizen App is? Of course I do. Someone just put me on to it. Okay. So two things about the Citizen App. The Citizen App is just fucking terrible for society. It just turns us into Big Brother is watching you, snitching on your neighbor, it's racist on the Citizen App.

But I will tell you that it is very, very, very, very, very, very addictive. It's very addictive. So right now, these are the things, these are the incidents right now on the Citizen app as we look at them. Report of oven fire. Report of attempted assault with brick.

Overturned video with a picture of the overturned video. Report of taser, pepper spray used in shoe store robbery. Trash fire. Okay. Report of manned. with knife and all of this stuff right there. So what I'm saying is all that stuff,

most of that stuff is bad. But that's happening outside within a five mile radius. So the longer you spend outside, the more you might see something that is interesting. So you saw something? I did see something. I saw a billboard for two distant strangers. Oh my gosh, did you take a picture?

No, I'm not into that type of stuff. Like, wait, no, no, no, no, stop. What do you mean? You're too cool for that? What do you're not into that type of stuff? I don't want to do it. I don't want to do that. No.

I saw a billboard right on Los Angeles. When Higher Learning had a billboard, we took a picture of it and posted it. So what do you mean you're not into that type of stuff? Well, first of all, I didn't take the picture. The picture was given to me, and then I posted it. And that's also to promote the podcast business, okay? First of all, I don't need to promote this already.

Netflix bought this. Netflix bought this. We premiere April 9th on Netflix, but it was just weird to see a billboard of something that we all conceived in our minds. It's just like a weird thing, man. It's a beautiful thing. And you should memorialize it by taking a picture of it.

So silly. So silly. Take a bit. Well, tell me where it is. I'm going to take a damn picture. It's the core. Like literally, Walk a distance from my house.

Las Inaga and Pico. Right down from the Bank of America. The Bank of America. It was very interesting situation. Yeah, man. Stuff is happening. Stuff is happening, you know? Stuff is happening.

It's a crazy time. What has your week been like? What have you been up to? You're so humble. You're so humble. What have I been up to? You know, I'm just trying to get the house ready for Brian. Brian comes tomorrow.

You comes tomorrow. Brian comes tomorrow. It's a little weird. It's a little weird. It's a little weird. I've been out here living this single life for six months. Yo. Yo, the rumors are true.

Yo, I knew it. I knew it. What rumors? People hit me up all the time. You guys got a secret divorce. You know, Brian's got a whole family back in Miami. or you, like, you're, like, you were dating Michael Strayhand. I heard it at one time.

What? Someone said that you were dating Michael Strayhand. No, I, no, no. That's why, because we both have, well, we both used to have gaps. No more. I'm very upset. I'm very upset. And I am very, I'm actually very upset.

I meant to ask you about that. As a, as a person that rocks the gap and makes it fashionable, what did you think about him getting those 32 chicklets redone? What do you think about that? I texted him, adding to the rumors. I texted him, I said, you said, oh, daddy. This better be a joke because you're too important to the community.

You know, I feel like us gaps have to stick together, especially of us that are on camera. Right. Far and few between. I think it's just disappointing if he really did. I think it's an April Fool's joke, although... It's an April Fool's joke. It's come out today.

It's an April Fool's joke. It did? Yeah. At least I'm seeing on page six an hour ago. Surprise! because Michael Strayhan still has his tooth gap in epic April Fool's joke. Why would he do it now is my thing?

Like of all these years, why would he go get big silly veneers now? I'm gonna tell you. Not big silly. Is that what you thought when you saw them? I'm gonna be honest with y'all. Y'all people with them veneers, I'm happy that you guys feel good about yourselves.

You look like Bugs Bunny. It's a whole Bugs Bunny tribe. Name a few members of the tribe. Nope. Because it's not about being a personal thing. Well, no, I'm trying to, I'm trying to picture who you're talking about. That's why I'm asking. It's a lot of them.

And I don't need to name the names, okay? But it's a lot of them. So what did you have to do to get, you have veneers? No, I don't have veneers. What did, what did you have to do to get the place ready for Brian? What did you have to do? No, we just moved in. So it's like, I'm breaking down boxes.

I like, I want him to come in and it to be a seamless process for him. I wanted to feel like home when he gets here. Yeah. So, you know, I'm just, what, what, what, what, what, what, what? You're getting that castle ready for that king. So that king can come into his castle. You know what I mean? That king can come into, that king can come into his castle, right?

Plant his flag. All right. Just tell us to stop. This is, play his flag. Yo, this is my crib. Brian, that's what you, that's right. You get that castle ready for that king, man. A king.

Well agree with you on the king part. Stop with the planning of the flag. Like he's the planet's flag. Yo, what if Brian, what if in this six months, Brian has changed? Well, I've seen him in these six months. Let's also remember that. I know, but what if he walks in the house and when he comes in the house, he's got like a wife beater on and he's got a toothpick in his mouth?

And he goes, yo, babe. yo babe it's me it's b a baby Miami Beach you know how we do it yeah what I need for you to do okay is I need for you

to go down to the chick filet and come back with our 12 piece and a lemonade bam and like what he's just totally changed you come back and you put the chick filet down on the table

oh so I actually did it okay yeah you did it so this is what happens keeps going You come back, you come back, you put the Chick-fil-A down on the table, and you got tenders instead of nuggets. And he looks at it and he goes, what is this? And he flips it over. Honestly, I would be amused.

It would be funny as hell. You're like, yo, what's wrong with you, Brian? I'm like, you're wilding. This is like, what's like, what is this? I watch those movies. I watch those old movies, and it was always so on the nose. You feel so bad for people. You come home and it's like, look, I asked for eggplant,

Parmesan, what is this? And he flips the thing all. And you're like, it's just guys an asshole. People live that in real life. They lived it in real life. It was so funny because as alpha as a male, as much as an alpha male as my dad was. Yeah. He never played those type of games.

Yeah. Never. I would say the same. My dad is very alpha male too. He wasn't like that either. He never played those type of games. You eating it? Well, first of all, my mom never missed a meal.

Never. She never missed. She never made something that wasn't amazing. I can tell in your house there were a couple of misses. But you're like, you're like, you already said by the way my mom's hair was flipped out that you know she can cook. So stop that. But the difference is that when I heard about the cinnamon toast, then I was thinking maybe not so much. Oh, my God.

I love the cinnamon toast. That's what I like. because I'm picky. My mom made homemade pancakes, though. Ooh, that's dope. It's dope. So it's like, but whenever we would eat, my dad would be like,

all right, now, y'all thank your mama. Thank your mama now. You know what, nigga, get your ass up and go to your room. He was so impatient. You get three seconds to thank mom. And if you, in any way,

would get your ass up and go to the room? I just, I wish, if we could just have him for five minutes, just five minutes on the podcast. No. If you could, it's taped. goodness sake. If it went out of, if it went off

the rails, we just wouldn't air it. But you can't keep talking about him and not give him to us. Five minutes. It's all I ask. No. And by the way, don't ever say something to him like, all I want is five minutes, Mr. Lathen. He's going to be like, huh, I'll give you 10, girl. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm telling you, I just

know something's going, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going, I'm not doing it. Five minutes. Does he listen to the podcast? I'm not, I don't know if he's aware of its existence. Not he doesn't listen. I can't be sure. My dad called TMZ,

ZMT for the entire time I worked on that. Boy, boy, what time ZMT come on? What time it come on? We've been trying to catch it. Why do people, why is it like catch? Why does he act like it's a rabbit or a squirrel?

in a while. Like, why does he talk on the television show? Like, he's trying to catch it. Well, you do, because you stumble across it. Oh, I caught it. I caught it before it went off. You know what I get it. It's like, yeah, it's like a catfish or something like that.

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Okay. Kevin Durant and Michael Rappaport are going at it. Michael Rappaport is back and forth from Kevin Durant. I suppose Kevin Durant gave an interview on Inside the NBA. And Michael Rappaport did not like the interview. He publicly criticized Kevin Durant. Michael Rappaport is not shy. You guys know Michael Rappaport.

He is an actor, podcaster. But now, more than anything, Michael Rappaport, Port is an internet troll troublemaker type of guy. It's what he does. That's what he does. Yeah. Yeah. So he got on his one on a platform and talked about the interview that Kevin Durant did.

And Kevin Durant did not like this none too much. He then DMed Michael Rabbitport, somebody who he's known in the past and they've had a friendly relationship with. And he DMed him some messages. is not. Here's the thing. Some of the language in these messages are not it's not appropriate, I would say. It's not, it's harsh, but I'm going to read as much as I can. Yeah, I am. I'm going to try it. So, the first message is very simple. And I love it.

You a bitch. Three dots. And then he says, just do the fucking interview. If you're upset about something, you should have said something up there looking like you were going to cry and shit i did to interview you dickhead tell your daddy chuck to be to be more prepared with his questions uh and then he says you're a bitch for even caring about how i uh do an interview all you do is blank blank other men for attention trump didn't pay attention to your sorry ass now you want to use everybody else to get views and laughs your life is a joke you fucking pale blank blank blanker blank sucker

which, yeah. And so they went back and forth and to the point to where against Kevin Durant threatened Michael Rappaport, Michael Rappaport, threatened Kevin Durant. And then Michael Rappaport

made these messages public. He put these messages on Instagram out there for everybody to see. Your thoughts on this back and forth, KD and Michael Rappaport. Well, I think it's silly.

I'm just going to start there. I think it's silly. One, it became, it was a huge thing, right? It was, it went viral. From my understanding, the interview that Michael was referring to was back in December. Oh, so it was old. Okay. I don't know when Kevin decided to respond.

I'm assuming he responded recently. But the original post was back in this past December. So I'm not sure why this is all coming to light right now. But the biggest problem I have is that, Michael made it public. And he made it public by posting a picture of Kevin with the kids, with the group of kids and saying that this is, y'all think that he's a sweetheart. He's America's sweetheart, which I don't think that's the take people have of Kevin.

I don't think so at all. So when he posted that, I was like, I don't think anybody is calling him America's sweetheart. But he's like, this is who you think. Y'all think he's like this. But let me show you what he's really like. That wasn't cool. That took it to another level. I think it's inappropriate.

There have to be extreme measures. for you to publicize somebody's messages, in my opinion. So to me, Michael, you lost me when you decided to make that public. I'm not taking a side here. I just don't understand the purpose of doing that. What are you trying to gain from it? Are you trying to out Kevin? Are you trying to gain sympathy?

Is this for attention? Is this to go viral? Because Kevin could possibly be in trouble for some of the things he said because they were homophobic. And there have been other NBA players who've been fined and gotten in trouble for homophobic slurs. Well, Kevin now falls into that by these messages being made public.

So I just don't understand the motivation behind it. So that's why I say it's so silly. Like, we didn't need to be a part of this. We didn't need to be privy to this information. So here's the thing. The language that Kevin Durant used, obviously,

that's not going to fly. Like, people are going to be offended by that. That language is offensive. Yeah. Obviously it is. And I don't know if my, Michael Rappaport was so shocked by that language that he decided he didn't have to let the world know.

I'll tell you something, though. Michael Rappaport, white boyed the hell out of Kevin Duran. By posting him. Yeah. I'll tell you. And I mean exactly what I say. He white boyed the hell out of him. When we was back in middle school and high school, you would be sitting in a class with, you know,

one of your homies, it would happen all the time. White dude, thought that you knew. knew him, thought that you guys were cool. You're going back and forth. You're going back and forth. You're needling him. He's needling you. All of a sudden, you give it to him and then he goes and tells the teacher.

And he takes all, everybody's perception of you, right? And then he turns it on you. He plays that card. That right there, I know Michael Robertport gets off by getting on his platform and chastising black people. If you

follow Michael Robertport, you can see, that one of his favorite things to do is to get on his platform, on his Instagram, show violent images of black people or violent stories of black people, right, surrounding black people, and then say, hey, why don't you march for this? Hey, why don't you get involved in this?

As if black people don't care when little black kids are killed or that we somehow don't care about intra-community violence. It puts it out there like, chastising us, really? And look, and look, he does that. He'd be on Trump. He'd be on a lot of them. So a lot of times you don't pay any attention to it.

But this right here, this is interesting because this is actually him. He's dishing it out. He's going back and forth. This is actually him, actually him trying to hurt Kevin Duran. Absolutely. Now, I'm not saying that anything that Kevin Duran said was excusable. I'm not saying that at all. But these two guys knew each other.

And they go back and forth at it. And they go back and forth. These two guys knew each other. Michael Rappaport almost to the point where I thought it was April Fool's joke. Michael Rappaport was posting old video content and stuff that he had done with Kevin Duran. So Kevin Durant's talking to him, not thinking that he is going to then turn around and put this stuff out, right? And look, I'll be honest with you. I think it's telling.

To me, I think it's telling. That right there, that's that shit eating shit. That's that I'm going to go run tell the teacher on you shit. That's that officer. He went this way shit. That's that that, that's all that shit that like we be talking about. Those are the fucking things that happen that make us go, nah, there's a reason why I can't let you in the crew.

Like that's the type of shit that you be talking about right there. Yeah, it's more of the action, actions that he took after, like, after it happened, right? So you post this post, you phrase it in a way that, oh, y'all think he's this way. I'm going to tell you all how he really is. Then you post a video of what y'all used to be. Then you keep going in on it. Then you do a whole podcast on it. I listen.

You have podcasted in a month. Do a whole podcast on it. So you're trying to capitalize on taking this, this, black man down. Not again what Kevin said and those messages were absolutely wrong. But it's Michael's behavior of how he handled it again, which is where he

lost me. No, Kevin Durant in my opinion, owes a couple of different communities an apology. Well, did you see what he posted? No, what did he post? Which to me he said, my bad, I apologize. That's me,

that's wrong. Like what you said was disgusting and you said, you very flippantly said, my bad, I apologize. No, people need a little bit more from you than that. You gotta do a little bit more. You gotta do a little bit better than that, KD. Gotta do a little bit better than that. Because the words themselves

by throwing those words out there, and by the way, this is indicative of a whole group of people, not just Kevin Durant, right? You call somebody a blank sucker. You call them a blank guzzler. What you're essentially saying is that you

are the lowest of the low, because you do those things. And that's the humanizing language. And we have to really talk about that language and how that language is used and how that language affects people's real lives. Yeah. And that's a thing.

So anybody that is outraged and mad at Kevin Durant for those things that he said, they have a right. Absolutely. And he'll have to make his peace with the people that are offended by that. As far as Michael Rapport is concerned, that is the most cowardly

shit eating just ridiculously skeevy punk-ass thing I've seen anyone doing a long time and I used to work at TMC and it's just like that's a

nothing situation. If he wanted to say hey, if he wanted to go on this podcast and say hey, I had a conversation with Kevin Durant and this is how to Kevin this is how the conversation went, that's one thing. But to actually take the screenshots and then something else that he did. In the original screenshots that he posted, he deleted his messages.

Oh, I didn't see that. The parts where he was talking, he deleted his messages out. That's even worse. I didn't know that. I'm telling you, man, these people be looking funny in the light. Mike, that's bullshit, bro. I just don't understand what you thought. Like, what, how did you think?

people are going to respond. Obviously, people are upset at what Kevin said and they should be, but they're also looking at you. Like, this is the two wrongs, don't make a right situation. You're both wrong in this situation. For different reasons, but you're both wrong. One is wrong, and then one is

weak. Look, people, like people... Wrong and weak. Whatever. They're both wrong. Yeah, people... I've posted messages that people have DM me before, but these are people I don't know. And even when I do that, bust this.

Even when I post the message of someone calling me a monkey nigger or whatever like that. Right. Which, by the way, pick one. It's either monkey or nigger. Don't go double. That's like, that's just like too much. That's overkill. You know what I'll still do?

What? I'll still scratch out their name. No, I don't always do that. I do it. Because I used to. I'm not trying to get, I'm not trying to send 470,000 people to them. I'm not, that's not what the point is. Well, no, I used to because my thing is, if you're going to be bold enough to send it to me and not hide, you're not blocking your name out when you're sending this to me, then it has to be extreme, but I will post it from time to time, I will post it.

But they had a relationship. Now, he goes on his podcast to say that they were not friends. They did not have a friendship. But they obviously had something. They filmed stuff together, gave them tickets to game. They filmed a bit. like they did stuff together. So this is, y'all have a different type of relationship.

So it was just wrong. The whole thing was handled wrong from the get-go. But Kevin, he's, Kevin needs to apologize. Kevin, he still apologize. Yeah, apology probably going to have to be a little bit better than that. Apology, probably going to have to be a little bit there than that. I, I don't, you know, I know KD a little bit. I don't think that that's like in his heart.

But I don't either. But, but I think that it doesn't matter. Because once the language comes out, it becomes part of the atmosphere and those things. And he didn't just say one thing. He continued to say it. Okay. Matt Gates from down there in Florida. He got the goddamn, you know, some problems down there in Florida, Matt Gates.

He is being investigated over claims that allegations, should I say, that he, sex trafficking. Right. transporting a 17-year-old girl, cross-state lines, paying for her flights and stuff like that, so you can have S-E-C-K-X with her, sex, which would be against the law there in Florida as the age of consent. It's not 17, but 18. It would also be disgusting. Now, this is coming out of as a part of a larger investigation, which started, which started during the Trump administration. Right. This was Bill Barr's Justice Department that started this investigation. Okay.

So this isn't a liberal conspiracy, or at least that's too. So Matt Gaines is in the middle of this. He's being accused of these things. And I just want to play a little part of this because he goes on Tucker Carlson's show. last night, like almost an emergency edition of Tucker Carlson's white supremacist's talking points for a Wednesday night. And in two different ways, this is so hilarious. He puts Tucker Carlson in it. It's funny.

So they do the interview. This is the first time that Matt Gates basically called Tucker Carlson out without even try and listen to it. And I believe we are in an era of our politics now, Tucker, where people are. to try to take them out of the conversation. I'm not the only person on screen right now who's been falsely accused of a terrible sex act. You were accused of something that you did not do, and so you know what this feels like.

Why? If you're Tucker Carlson, why are you bringing up old stuff? Like, what is the deal? Tucker's face is priceless. Y'all got to watch the video. Tucker's face is priceless. It's like, I think Matt Gates is just, one of those people who wants to hear himself talk.

He thought that he was relating to Tucker Carlson, like, you know what I'm saying, Tucker. You've been through this before, too. He was clearly spitballing the entire interview. I thought it was hilarious. Tucker was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute now. Mine was due to a mentally ill person, and it was 20 years ago.

Don't try to put me in what you're in the middle of right now. Get off me, is basically what he's saying. So, didn't end there. After this, Matt Gates brings up a dinner that he and took her cross and then somebody involved with the case hat recently and check it out so good i can say that actually you and i went to dinner about two years ago your wife was there and i brought a friend of mine you'll remember her i i don't remember the woman you're speaking of it or the context at

all honestly so i'll tell you i'll tell you why this fascinates me it fascinates me because number one, there was absolutely nothing, nothing uncovered about Matt Gase's position on this very serious charge during that interview. He went up there, of course he denied it, but we don't even know what he's denying because we don't really, really even know what is exactly happening. He gave us actually no real evidence that the allegations against him are false. I'm not saying that they're true, but he didn't do anything. But what he seemed to do was his purpose for going on Tucker's show

seemed to be more about like getting his support or trapping him than it was about actually telling his side of the story, which I find to be fascinating. I felt like he went on to show that he's unbothered by it. I feel like he went on to say like, hey, I'm not hiding from this. This stuff isn't true. So I'm going to come here on one of the. the, if not the most popular cable show and let everybody know that this is false,

not realizing that he made the whole situation worse because it seemed more, people left more confused after the interview than when it started. I mean, even Tucker Carlson was at a loss for words and said, that's the weirdest interview I've ever done. Ever done? And there have been crazies that have come on Tucker's show. And he said that was the weirdest he's ever done. It should also be noted.

that when it came to a vote on combating human trafficking and commercial vehicles, well, that's an act. When the Combating Human Trafficking and Vehicles Act came about and it was time for a vote on it in December 2017, all of Congress voted to enact this except for one person, Matt Gates. Now, at the time... Are you fucking kidding me? At the time that might...

Are you shitting me? I'm not kidding. Now, at the time, people probably like, okay, you're being extremely obnoxious. It was annoying, but maybe not as big of a deal as we sit here in April of 2020. And now there are human trafficking charges that are allegations that are being thrown around with your name in it. And you voted against this federal bill. And he claimed, go ahead.

Did he explain that vote? He claimed the reason that he stood alone on the vote is because unless there is an overwhelming or compelling reason that our existing, agencies in the federal government can't handle that problem. I vote no. This is a quote. I vote no because voters in Northwest Florida did not send me to Washington to go and create more federal government. That was his response. Interesting.

They're looking too good for you right now, Matt Gage. You know, you know who's letting me down? Who? Q&On. Q&On is actually letting me down. Q&On, I have a message to Q&RNon. right now. Okay. Okay. Now, we all know what Q&On is here, here at the family, myself, Rachel Lindsay, Isaiah Blakely, Jackson, Safon, and of course, Trudy Joseph. Kewan on is a far-right conspiracy that thinks that Donald Trump is the only one that can save America from Satan worshipping pedophiles in a Democratic Party. Okay. Now, this is my message to Q&R.

I get that that's hard to prove. Okay, it's hard to prove about Donald Trump and the Satan worshiping and all of that stuff like that. That's difficult to prove. But there's some layups that Q&ON is missing. And that are right there. Trump was cool with Jeffrey Epstein for a long time. Yes. He was cool with Jeffrey Epstein.

Q&R didn't seem to care. Nope. K-An-on wasn't into that at all. Also, this whole Matt Gates thing. I feel like if you're a Q-on-honor that this is like meat on the bone. It's like going to a cookout in the park late May, maybe early June,

where things are really, really right there for you. It seems like the whole world is your weird and disturbing oyster, yet they don't even seen bothered by the fact that this is happening. What are they going to say? What are they going to say? He's accused of being an underage girl. I get you.

But this blows up their entire being what they represent. It contradicts it. They're silent. That's why we haven't heard anything from them. Come on, listen, it's all alleged at this point. He has not been charged within. anything, but it ain't looking too good right now. And what I found funny is he's like, you know, they're investigating me because in the

past I've provided for the women that I've, that I've dated, that I've been with. I would give them money. I'd give them gifts. I would fly them places. Matt, nobody's, nobody's upset at you for tricking. Nobody's investigating you for that. Not at all. That's not it.

It's got to be a lot deeper than that, which. I don't know. There's smoke. Seems to be. Look, I don't know what Matt Gates did or what he didn't do. I suppose that in the next couple of days or weeks, there'll be more details made about this. There's another guy being investigated who he rolled with, who he endorsed in Orlando. He's investigated for some of these same things.

I mean. Right. Yeah. Once again, I still don't know anything. I have no clue. All right. But it, it, that last night what happened wasn't in any way. helpful to Matt Case's case.

And there's evidence that absolves him of all of this stuff, that he's going to have to produce that really quickly because this is the type of thing. There's always been some talk of removing him from his committees and things like that. Yeah. And rendering him legislatively impotent. So he's actually been talking about leaving Congress, even before that. Maybe he knew some of this. There were some rumblings around.

He's talking about being an analyst on Newsmax or some other conservative networks. Wow. Wow. The Matt Gates Hour or Newsmax. Maybe, wait a minute. Maybe that's what he was doing to Tucker. Maybe he wants Tucker's time slot. So he's like, hey, Tucker, remember that time that you had a 20-year-old case and all

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This will be dropping on Friday. and this video came out on Wednesday or Tuesday I think. It was right after our podcast came out. Right after our podcast came out. There is video of a physical altercation between Cuevo and Sweeney. Now, of course, we had talked about it

here on the podcast before. Cuevo and Sweetie broke up. Very public breakup. It was after Sweetie went on Justin LaBois podcast along with Justin Combs and, you know, said some stuff. And then after she said some stuff, then I guess Quavo did not like some of the things that she said. Or maybe there were rumblings before this is they're going to break up.

They unfollow each other. Then after they followed each other, they announced to break up. And they played this whole thing out on Twitter. Literally, days after that, there's a video of an altercation that took place last year between Sweden and Cueva. If you look at the video, it shows them kind of tangled up. She then swings at him. He dodges it, gets out of the way, then comes back,

drags her into an elevator. They seem to be fighting over, I guess what's being described as to call a duty box, grabs her into the elevator, drags her in, they're tussling over this box, whatever's in the box. We don't know what's in the box.

It's like seven. What's in the box? What's in the box? They both go down. He gets up, rides the elevator. She does not get back up until later on. the video, at which point he puts the box in front of the elevator so she can get off.

They both get off the elevator. All right, Rachel, your thoughts. Does he go down? I don't remember that. He does go down. I'm going to watch the video now, but I'm almost certain that they both go down. Okay. Yeah.

So my biggest issue with this is, yes, he yanks her by the arm. She's thrown to the ground. It's like the back of the elevator thrown to the ground. Don't remember him following. Excuse me if that really did happen. happen. But you see her upset. It looks like she's emotional. She's sitting on the floor. And by the time she gets up to leave the elevator, she looks as if she's limping out of the elevator. Not at one time did he appear to help her or offer her any kind of support when she looked like she was injured

walking out of that elevator. He didn't seem to care. The only thing he seemed to care about was the camera that was in the elevator, which there is a point where he looks up dead at it and then continues. Like knowing... They both kind of... kind of went down. He was like down, but his feet were still on the ground. I could see why you would say he didn't go down. Yeah. His feet, his feet, he's down on the ground, but his feet were both still on the ground while

she ended up kind of on her back. Yeah. Yeah. So he looks up at the camera, which I was like, okay, so he's fully aware of what's going on at this point. What was more alarming was the response. This went viral. Everybody was talking about it on social.

The response from people, particularly. on Twitter. There seemed to be a debate going on about what is domestic violence and whether or not Cuevo was wrong or if any blame should be placed on Suidi, which I found extremely disturbing because particularly it seemed to be coming from men saying things like she hit him first and what exactly did he do wrong? And I just can't believe we're still in a place where we're questioning what is domestic violence. I mean, I guess I shouldn't sadly, I shouldn't be surprised after seeing the way that people handled the Meg, the Stallion, and Torrey Lane's situation when it involved blood, bullet wounds, and having to go to the hospital and police and arrests,

like, all that. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but it is. It still upsets me so much that people were trying to reason what happened in that elevator. And to me, we shouldn't even be doing that. This was, I don't care if you saw her swing. I don't care if she grabbed whatever was in that box, there were certain things that could have been done to diffuse the situation, and particularly on Cuevo's in, and the fact that he even put his hands on her, he used enough force to where she hit the back of the elevator, fell to the ground, then didn't offer her any type of help after he put his hands on her is a problem. It's a problem.

His hands should have never been on her. Whatever was in the box was not important enough for him to do that. Whatever was said, whatever happened before getting on that elevator did not amount to him using that kind of force towards her. That is violence. And I cannot believe we still live in a day and age where people were trying to reason or defend that. So I'll tell you why I look at it.

Number one, the edict is very simple for me. Six foot four, 265 pounds, right? So the reality is that since I've been a kid, my father, the man, we talked about earlier in this podcast, would always say, just don't put your hands on women. Don't matter. I've been smacked, punched, I've been hit. I've been hit so hard to where I looked.

I laughed. I was like, yo, that shit hurt. I know you must really be mad. Like, you punched me dead, my shit. That shit hurt. And I have to laugh, get my keys, and get up and leave and got beat up the whole time I'm leaving, right? Getting punched all in my back, slapped. You a bitch.

All of this stuff like that. Like mad, really over nothing, especially at that time. I'm over alcohol. So I get it. If you just use the term domestic violence, though, if you just say domestic violence, then there are two perpetrators of domestic violence in that video. And so when I look at the video,

I say, just to be honest, what you, Cuevo is not the guy I thought he was. Cuevo's not the man I thought he was, you know? And maybe that's an isolated incident and maybe whatever. People laugh about Jay-Z during the elevator video. They laugh about it, right? They laugh about that.

But the reality of the situation is Jay-Z has a full-on attack coming in with him, coming at him, no matter what he was guilty of before, which was fucked up, you know what I mean, bad from everything that we know, you know, everything that he did he do. He was fucking around on Beyonce and that's how that whole thing happened. Oh, lemonade, got you. Yeah, yeah. So no matter what he was guilty, he stands there.

And that whole time that's happened, he's standing there. He's looking at the bodyguard, looking at Beyonce. It's like, yo, somebody do some about this. Not at one point that he get beside himself. That's true. In any way, in any way, anyway, swing on salons, grab salons, didn't even hold her to get him off of her. In no way. And I look at there and I go, okay, that guy's been in some sticky situations before he knows how to handle himself.

Like he does it, he's not going to freak out and panic. right, and do something outside of himself or outside of his character. And I like to think that men, especially our brothers, would react in that way. The fact of the matter is, a lot of times they don't. A lot of what I was seeing, as I tweeted, keep your hands off fucking women,

a lot of what I saw was adults need to keep the hands out of each other. I'm telling these sisters out here right now, especially sisters in a younger generation, these motherfuckers will beat the shit out of you. They are moving with the edict of mutual combat. They say swing on me, I'll swing back. Clearly. It's not enough.

It's not enough fathers around to say, hey, don't put your hands on girls. There are different physical ramifications for when you swing and when she swings. They're different. Like, it's not the same. Right. It's unequal. Don't do it. Even if you are 5, 3, and 110 pounds.

Whatever. Like, you know what I mean? Whatever. Like, you're a guy. Like people keep saying. No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. you're making the distinction that you're 6, 4 and however way, however much.

Cuevo's clearly not that. He's 5.3, maybe 110. I don't know if the man is 5.3. But I don't know if he's 5, 3, 110. I think he just shrank Cuevo a little bit. But what I'm saying is that, like, you know, in people say it's a, it's a double standard. It's not a double standard. It's one standard.

And one standard that we have in society is the person that can do the most damage has the responsibility to not do the most damage. That's one standard. There's no difference of standards, right? If the United States right now got into a war with Anguilla, right? If Anguilla did something to the United States, right, and we got into a war with Anguilla and we sent two aircraft carriers over there. and bomb them into the Stone Age, destroyed their whole deal over some light transgression or even one attack.

People would say that's not a proportional response. The United States should be better than that. So what are you looking at? What happened? I just, hold on. It was a point of pride. This is a quote. Sources tell CNN, Representative Matt Gates,

shared with lawmakers on the House floor, nude photos of women he had slept with. Matt, it's over. It's like, I'm telling you, there's just too much surrounding. Go ahead and go to news, Max, Matt, Matt, Matt, it's a rap. Matt, Matt, it's over. Gay, that's it, Matt. Your ass is grass.

All right, Matt, like, that's, nah. What are you thinking? Matt is doing his thing But like Matt Matt Is Matt's all fucked up They're like it's over Matt No so so my point is Like you know fellows we can't

There's not a double standard It's one standard Right one standard One standard is And this is not to I'm not saying that women are weak Or anything like that But I'm telling you it's most situations

The guy has a physical advantage It's incumbent upon you Not to To be violent against a lay So, but let me ask you this, though. Mm-hmm. Was sweetie-soidi not guilty of domestic violence there as well? You're right.

Yes, by definition, yes, yes. Yeah, I mean, she swung at him. Do you care, because I'm looking at your face right now, do you care? Is there any room in the conversation? Any room in the conversation? No, to talk about women hitting her. men.

No. There's no room in the conversation to talk about that. Well, because what do you want to talk about? Right? Like, nobody should hit anybody. Okay, fine. You want to say that?

Fine. But if a woman does... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Nobody should anybody. Fine. Like, okay, we're anti-violence. Fine.

But if the woman doesn't... I'm just asking. We're just talking about it now. I mean, if it... But if a woman does hit, it goes back to what you were saying. A man should never... Like, at that point,

the man should just remove... move himself from the situation, maybe even from the relationships, seek counseling, see whatever you need to do. Call the police, say like, listen, she's attacking. Do whatever you need to do. But to your point, they should never strike back. They should never retaliate. They should never try to forcefully do anything to her.

Even if she is in the wrong by throat. We don't even know if she threw the first, for all we know, he was swinging at her and she was defending herself. We don't know. That's just what the elevator caught. It looks, okay. We don't know. Now we're conjecturing.

But it looks as if, it looks as if she swung at him. She looked like she was running away from him. I'm telling me. It looks as if she swung at him because he was trying to come towards her and maybe grab that thing. She looked like she was swinging. She looked like she was swinging to try to get off because even when he jumps back, she didn't try to leave. And then he pulls her into the elevator.

So if you watch the video, it looked like she was running away. She was swinging to try to keep him off. But I just always. wonder about that because like I have I have conversations with ladies right and and it'll be like you know we'll be talking about something like I don't know like Lorraine Bobbitt woman cuts a man's penis off and and when I say this woman did this to the man she poured hot grits on them she strung him up and put him in you know what the first question I get from the women all the time is what did he do that's the first the first I'm like literally

Literally. I think people do that both ways. You think that, so you think, hold on for a second. So you think that goes both ways. No, I'm saying I think that when a woman does something, men will also say what did she? I think I'm saying both people ask the question. I'm not saying it goes both ways. I couldn't disagree more. All right.

Well, I think that if a woman took an acetylene torch and burned a man's balls while he was sleeping. all right? And I ask the woman and go, what did he do? And it's like, whatever. I think, though, and this is because of a history of violence of men against women,

which don't really need to ask the question. You don't. You don't. But I'm saying in this day and age, the way people respond on Twitter, the way people respond, I could see idiots being like, what does she do?

Yes, I do. Because that's how dumb people are right now. Oh, okay. I'm not agreeing with it. I'm just saying the way the society, and by this I'm saying response on Twitter, I feel like if you're going to say what did he do wrong,

if you're going to say things like she hit him first, then that's the same group of people who would be like, well, what did she do? That's, I guess, that's what I'm trying to say. Is Cuevo canceled to you?

I was off. What did I say on the last podcast? Cuevo ain't shit. So I already was done with Cuevo. But this, there's more meaning behind her. In her tweet, she said she had been hurt. Now I'm looking at the word hurt a little different.

Well, apparently this was some time ago, so they might have kissed them made up after that. Well, they obviously did, but her tweet was like, I've been hurt this way. I've been through this. I'm not going to pretend in that way anymore. So obviously, there was more to the story. Now, here's my question to you, former TMZ employee. How long do you think they've been sitting on this video? Who?

TMZ. Oh, they haven't been sitting on it. I know exactly where that video came from. Okay. 100% that video came from Swedish people. 100. It was in her apartment building. Of course it came from them.

But TMZ hadn't been sitting on the video at all. Like we, we, they can't sit on any videos because if they have a video, then they have to assume that somebody else has the video too. So what you do is, this is how this works. I will dip into the world of this real quick. So normally this happens through an email. Hey, I have video of an all, I'm going to take you through the whole thing.

I have video of an altercation between Soidi and Cuevo prior to their breakup at some point. Everybody sees the same tip. Somebody goes, hey, I'm calling on that. All right. Tip normally comes through email. Sometimes through phone, but normally through email. Somebody says, hey, I'm calling on that.

Somebody gets on the phone, they call. They call whoever has the video. Okay. So the first thing you have to do is you have to you have to identify who the owner of the video is because you can only buy the video from whatever party filmed it or owns it. It is a little murky

who would own a video like that just to be honest with you because the reality of it is is that really the apartment complex owns it. There is a world in which it's actually illegal. Okay? There's a world in which it's actually illegal

to sell that video. Right? because that video comes from the apartment complex unless they bought it from them. My guess is they didn't. They didn't buy it from them. They didn't buy it. They just gave it to them. No, no, no, no, no.

Somebody sold the video, but it wasn't somebody who was authorized to sell the video because it normally never is if it's an elevator video. So then you call the person, the first thing you do is you say, hey, send me the video. they have to send you the video why so you know that the video is real and it's to people that you say it is so as soon as they send you the video you get to write the story you write the story right away because you have to assume that you're going to get yeah yeah and so uh after that you haggle price over how much uh you're going to buy the video for you haggle price um you get it to to to whatever number that is that is good for both people they send it

an email saying that they agree to sell you the video, you then, after they say that, it's called like an I agree to sell the video. After they do that, you can put it up. What's the best video you got? That I personally got or that we got while I was there. That you personally got. I didn't get any videos. Okay.

I would like, to be honest with you. There was a part, there was a part of me. me personally, I would say I only news gathered probably for six months in my entire TMZ career. Videos I would get would be like I got a video of Johnny Mansell hanging out at a pool party, just being cool and partying. I got a video of riffraff playing basketball. I got a video any, like I would get videos. And those are cool stories too.

And those stories would be big stories too. but but like the video like I got video of like Johnny Mansell's people used to see me videos of him dunking or him doing or stuff like that but any of those that other stuff like I didn't really

I'm not going to see that link and then click to do that story. I just I just never deal hey I want to call on this right now like never but look that's their job that's what they do I really wish

Interesting. Right. So the whole thing. But in this particular case right now, if it didn't come from Swedish people, which I think is a low chance that it didn't. Because even if it, even if it didn't,

because there's two ways that it could work. One way is it could work, and she could be like, you know, we had an altercation in an elevator. And I bet somebody has it. The only reason why that doesn't make any sense is because typically with those feeds on those elevators, they redo those things about every 30 or 45 day.

They erase them to start them again, right? So typically they're not like, they don't have videos going back a whole year. Right. So whoever saw this at that point taped it. Well, I could also see, though, I mean, he, Cuevo looked at the video. He looked, I mean, he looked at the camera.

Right. So I could see either one of them saying, asking for that footage and just had it. Well, if Cuevo and them asked for, if Cuevo knew, my thing is if Quavo and them had the video, if Quavo didn't know the video exists, what they should have done is bought it.

Yeah. Oh, no, 100%. Because if that had happened to me, I would have been like, I'm going to go back and get that video. And just hold it, just in case? Just hold it in just case. What I wonder is,

why are you talking crazy to her when you know it's some shit like that out? I always wonder why people fuck around. Because people think they're above that kind of stuff. It's the same stuff. Just like people do are in these scams. they get caught up in certain things. They get away with it for so long.

They think that they're above it, that they're untouchable, invincible. All happens all the time. And he's, and look, and now you got all these people on the internet defending him. Huh. I mean, yeah, a lot of people defending it. A lot of people are making an man versus woman thing.

I do wonder this, though. I do wonder, and I can get beat up for this. By the way, we've been getting beat up a little bit more. The Thought Warriors really, Didn't enjoy our thoughts on Lil Nasx. Yeah, I figured that though. A lot of people hit me up. And by the way, I want to address that real quick.

I want to address my thoughts on Lil Nasx. First of all, I fully understand that I have no depth of understanding of, I fully understand that I don't understand. I fully understand that I don't get what it was like to grow up in the church as a member of the LGBT community. My sister tells me about it all the time. But I fully get that. I don't understand what that's like, right? I understand that the video in a way was a rebellion against some of those ideas.

Which we said. We said that. Yeah. But I don't think we dove into that as much as we dove into the, hey, we scared of the devil type shit. Okay. Yes. That is our fault. We gave our perspective rather than acknowledging the other side of it.

Right. That's fair. And so I think that, and this is my deal. I think that there's certain there's certain imagery that once it gets out there, you just get blinded. And really it's based on fear.

So I am scared of dark energy and satanic shit. I'm scared of it. So as soon as I see it, I go, oh, no, bad, no, no want, no. It's hard for me to, like, get into that.

Other people were asking me, man, what do you think about some horror movies and all that stuff? I don't watch, I don't look at all of that. I do, but I don't like to watch the satanic ones. I don't look at that. I don't look at that.

I was, I looked at the exorcist. And I had enough. I don't, I don't, I don't like to, I can't handle that kind of stuff. But I think it's, it's, you know, apologies, you know, I don't, we never want to offend people on this podcast. And we definitely apologize if that's what we did. I think we got caught up in talking about the fears that we have. And what, what, like, our perspective of it without acknowledging the other side of it.

And I hope that it didn't come off because in no way. Are we being judgmental? In no way are we saying... I want to let you to people know. I'm not apologizing for anything. Well, I want to apologize. No, I do. I want to apologize because some people were really offended.

I think people felt like we weren't being supportive of the LGBTQ community. And maybe there's a misunderstanding because just as you said, you don't know what it's like to grow up in the church and be a part of that community. So for that, I apologize. So I will say that.

Because I don't want people to think that we feel a certain way or we were being dismissive about how some people might feel in that community. So that I will apologize for, absolutely. Right. So for me, the reason why I don't feel like I have anything to apologize for is because the conversation was around. What I'll say is I think that there needs to be a deeper conversation. And I'm going to look to, I think we should look to book a guest on there that can like lead us through it. because I said everything that I meant to say

so I don't think that there's anything that I apologize for. It's the omission is what I'm apologizing. But I don't know what I admit it because I don't know what I'm missing. Well, you said it. No, I think I've gotten ideas from a couple of people, but those aren't things that I necessarily think. You know what I mean? So I think the best way is to have somebody come on

and maybe give volume to a voice who could explain why there's a different way to look at the video because there's, come on, guys. there's certainly got to be a way to look at the video that, I mean, he's in hell with Satan. And if you're in hell with Satan and if you're in hell with Satan and there's a certain religious way that you feel about that, then there's certainly got,

there's got to be oxygen for people who look at it that way as well. Well, then that's the thing. We talked about it from our perspective. We didn't acknowledge the other side of it. They're acknowledging their side of it and don't like the way that we're talking about it. It's not judgmental. It's just talking about like how we feel, how we viewed it, whatever, but yeah, let's have a deeper conversation about it.

So have a deeper conversation about why that video was so revolutionary. By the way, great video. Great video. And you know what? When you watch it once again without strangling yourself by clutching your pearls, it's not, it's fine. Really, the video was fine. I actually said this on the pot.

I did say this on the part of the ass. The video was fine. The shoe bothers me. I'm sorry. I feel like we talked more about the shit. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

All right. Jackson. It's time. It's time for mailback. Mailback time. Time to read your letters. And then we'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback time.

Write us with your queries. And we'll chime in. Okay. You know, got to hurry up. Yeah, hurry up. Okay. From Nikki San Pedro. Tell us about a time you leveraged your fame to get something.

Interesting. Leveraged my fame. I don't think I'm famous enough to leverage my fame. Did I leverage my fame? I don't know if I'm, I mean, that's how I got tickets to the NBA championship in San Francisco or Oakland. I definitely leveraged it for that.

I see leverage seems to imply that I was the one who then tried to get it. That's exactly what it means. I know, but I don't think I've ever really done that. I think that people have wanted to do stuff for me because they know who I am and stuff. I'm so, okay. Does y'all just hear that? Tell us your favorite flex story then. Just flex on us one time.

Yeah, what are these things that people are just offering you? then since you ain't got to leverage. Okay. Well, I can do it, Daddy. Oh, no. Daddy. One time, I am at a Laker game. Okay. And going to a Clipper game, going to a Laker game, two different things.

I'm at a Laker game. And there's somebody at the game that goes, hey, hey, bro. Super rich person. I love what you said to Kanye. I love what you said to Kanye, man. Hey, we're about to get out of here. You want these seats? And they were sitting courtside.

Like, not on the sidelines, but, like, behind the basket court side. And they had, like, access to, like, the, like, the little where you can go eat at halftime and stuff like that. And so I, uh, I, I took the tickets. and then I went and I ate. And when I came back out, this guy was still standing here. And while he was still standing there, he goes, hold on for a second. Hold on for a second.

The warriors were running out onto the court. And he introduced me. Oh, I got another who this is after a time. And he introduced me to all the warriors. I remember I dapp up David West and say what up to Steph and Clay and they run it back out on the court and stuff like that. that was the I,

the, I'm gonna like, damn. And then we watched the rest of the game from like the, you know, like right under the basket

right there. It's not the best angle, but like you sit next to, man, it was like crazy. They're great seats. Right. All right.

Well, Jackson, he flexed on us. I definitely have, I have used it. I like if they were both basketball. You know what's funny? I would now, but coming off the Bachelorette, I absolutely did.

Absolutely. Okay. All right. What's next? From Stephanie Kalina. Do you like roller coasters? Why or why not? Fuck no.

You've never ridden a roller coaster? I've ridden them before, but hell no, baby. Okay. I was scared till a certain age, probably like 10. After that, I love them. I'm front row, hands in the air, riding a roller coaster. backwards, forwards, up, down, all around. I love it.

If I want to raise my blood pressure, I'll go outside without my mask on. All right. If I want to be scared, I'll let somebody sneeze on me. Oh, herd immunity, they're saying by June. Did you see that article today? Herd immunity? I didn't treat us like some cows. That's what it's called.

I ain't know, I ain't know, Kyle. No, I don't like, I had a short stint where I wrote them, and then I went to Space Mountain. Roll around Space Mountain got Disney. We're in my day of Disneyland. Fuck it. No more. I love Space Mountain. All right, Jackson.

Who would you rather be trapped in an elevator with? It's different people for each of you. There's like a two-part option. Van, would you rather be trapped in an elevator with Van Jones or Kanye West? Oh, that's easy. Can I answer what I think he would pick? Who?

You'd pick Kanye. Hands down. Yes, you would. Can I be honest, can I say something right now? I have to say something. And it's, it's, it's almost serendipitous that his name was brought up on this podcast. I think that I owe Van Jones an apology. Why?

But thinking about this. So let's dissect my little Van Jones rant. do I think that Van Jones was out of line for chastising me over jokes that we made on the podcast? Yes. We're using your family member's name. Do I think that it was distasteful for Van Jones to reference my Uncle Mark? Yes. Do I think now that he was attempting to do that?

No. do I think that he struck a nerve with me that he probably didn't know existed because after all I had shared that with him. Yes, but more than anything, I have an edict that I went against my own edict of not destroying black men for black people in public

for things that we can actually work out behind the scenes. And I was triggered and I went against myself. And the reality is that I do not agree with a lot of Van Jones's moves. I do not agree with how he gets to where he's trying to get. But I do agree with where it is that he is trying to go. That I definitely agree with. And because I'm not driving that bus, because I'm not the one out there doing that work,

what I'm going to have to do is trust that the people that he is working on behalf of that they care about it. This doesn't mean I'm going to agree with him. This doesn't mean that I think it's all gravy to be down with the Trumps. I think a lot of stuff looks funny in the light. I think a lot of stuff is weird. But the one thing we have to understand as a community as a group of people is that we don't have to agree to be cordial and respectful to one another.

and I have to live that. So I've been thinking about this recently and, you know, I'm glad that it was brought up. But if you're listening to this, Van Jones, if you have your people listening to this podcast, as they were listening to the other podcast, my apologies, brother. Best of luck in your endeavors and what it is that you're trying to do.

Stay away from Donald Trump. Stay away from him. Okay, but my bad. What's the answer to the question? That was very well set, though, by the way. Having said that, the answer is Kanye West. Definitely knew that. But I think what you said, though, was a really good lesson.

Like, sometimes we react quickly before we really think about it. I mean, I understood everything that you said in that moment. And I stand by what you said in that moment in support. Okay. I do. Oh, hold on. Kevin Durant just responded. I'm sorry that people've seen that language I use.

It's not really what I want people to see and hear from me. But hopefully I can move past it and get back out on the floor. Why did he say get back out on the floor? That was the, why did he do that? Kevin. Kevin. Kevin, that is not an apology. You literally apologize for getting caught.

Who's talking to him? Who's talking to him? He's being interviewed again. He's being interviewed. It's being... Like a press one? Yeah. Okay.

Kevin didn't apologize to the communities that he offended. He apologized for getting caught and is wants to play basketball and just wants to play basketball. That's what he said. You shouldn't even played it. Wow. Come on, Kevin. Ah, Katie, you my guy. But now, man, we got to do better than that, dog.

There's too many people out there living too hard alive. because of too many societal situations I don't know why he responded like that. You know he's better than that. You know he's better than that. I know he's better than that. Like, yeah.

What's the, who am I an elevator with? I hope it's not Kevin Durant. No, it's not Kevin Durant. It's much more intense than vans, though. Rachel, would you rather be trapped in an elevator with Ben Shapiro or Candice Owens? Like, why?

Why do I have to be sick? I don't know. This was not my question. Okay. My answer is Kanye West. That's good enough for me. Honestly, Candice Owens.

Candice Owens. Okay. I was really going to say Ben Shapiro, but I'm like, no, we need to have like a sister girl moment. And we just need to have, we just need to talk.

I'm assuming there are no cameras in the elevator. Right. They're none. They're none. Oh, all right. We got one more. Sure. From Amina Amin Das, who is somebody of a different generation or era that you've had a crush on? Like past? Yeah, like not someone younger, obviously.

Because like someone older. Sam Cook. Sam Cook. Sam Cook. Um, what's her name? She's so bad. It was Pam Greer, but also Jane Kennedy. Do you know who that is? It was Jane Kennedy.

Oh, she was bad. She was bad. Oh, she's beautiful. Wait, no, that's not the right person. Jane Kennedy. She was young. She was the, she was on like inside the NFL or something like that. She was like on NFL films.

She was bad, baby. Yeah, she's pretty. Oh, oh. Dad. Stop. You know what I'm saying? Stop. Sam.

cook for me for sure. I'm trying to think if there's somebody else it's the first one that comes to mine. All right. No unexpected ally of the week. Not one for me either. Maybe Tucker Carlson, just joking. Not one for me either. Here's the thing.

Before we leave, do you have thoughts on DJ Quick's April Fool's Day joke? I didn't see it. So DJ Quick, renowned hip hopper from around the way here in Los Angeles, posted earlier today. He's a hip hop and a legend. He got shot seven times and was on his way to the hospital.

And then hours later said April's full. A day after the anniversary? Or is it two days? After Nipsey? It's not good. No, it's not a good one. I honestly think there are no good. Like April Fool's jokes are played out.

That is so in poor taste. That is terrible. Were people ripping it for that? I'm sure they were. Yeah. He was, he was trending all day long, man. Did he respond? He just said he was playing. Like he, like people, people like, look, we didn't go on through too much for all of that, man.

We love you, DJ quick. Don't die. All right. Like, seriously, bro. Like, we can't, we can't, we can't do it that way, man. We can't do it. Can't do it. Wow.

Can't do it. Wow. The level of self-awareness. Good grief. Come on, man. Come on. All right, guys. That is going to do it.

us a little bit of a different show today. A little bit of a different show. I'd say so. A little bit. A lot topical. We'll bring somebody on. If you guys know anybody that can come on and give us more insight into the little Nasek situation, we are here for that conversation.

So we're going to jump out of here right now. Right now, hey, he. Good God, y'all. Good God, y'all. It's me, Van Lee. That's me, Rachel Lindsay. Bye.