Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Kevin Hart: Black Culture Vs. Comedy Culture, and Spencer Pratt’s Mayoral Bid

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

Van and Rachel are back from the holiday break to react to Kevin Hart's response to problematic jokes at his roast, updates in the fight against redistricting, and Spencer Pratt’s appeal to L.A. voters. Plus Jaxson Dart’s MAGA moves, and Ray J gets KO'd. (0:00) Intro (15:54) Kevin Hart responds to roast critics (41:20) Iran conflict update (56:40) The redistricting battle (1:12:37) White wine spritzers (1:21:13) Spencer Pratt on homelessness (1:38:31) Jaxson Dart, Abdul Carter, and MAGA (1:49:03) Ray J’s knockout Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Highland is on, Zyvan Lathan Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Okay, so I have a couple of things to say. First of all, we're back. We were off Monday. Did you have a good holiday weekend?

Went to Disneyland. Did you really? For work or for fun? I went there for fun. It was crazy. Good for you. Shout out to Disneyland. Let me tell you all what happened to me at Disney.

Did you go like Midnight Boys? No, no, no. Me, Rachel and Alexis Williams. Me, Rachel. Me, Kalika and Alexis. So let me tell you what happened. So we're going to Indiana Jones, right? Indiana Jones, nice ride.

The line, you know what I'm saying? We're in Disneyland, right? You got a whole, went to road, Star Wars Rise of the Resistance, played the shooting game. My whole Disneyland vibe. You know how I get down. Anybody, I've heard people say before that, you know, I heard Scott Jennings say one time,

He hates Disney adults. He's such a party pooper. He's a party pooper. By the way, he's a party pooper. The reality is some of us don't mind being around children and that are having a good time, like out in the open. I know the people that he covers for like to hang around kids on islands when nobody's around, allegedly.

Okay. So don't like that. Don't make fun of Disney adults. I'll come right at you. No, I'm with you. So, man, I'm in the Indiana Jones line. Mm-hmm. You did the fast pass?

Didn't need it. On a holiday weekend? Didn't need the fast pass because I'm in the line. The Disney staff comes up to me and says, yo, we're going to bring you through the exit line because we fuck with you. They grabbed me out of the line, take us through the exit line so we can get right on Indiana Jones.

We ride Indiana Jones. ride Indiana Jones, fantastic. Leave the line, come back out. The manager says, hey, we fuck with you. You get to go to the front of the ride at Disneyland. So you had that pass. The magical, most happy place on earth still got niggas in there that fuck with me. Bring me to the front of the line.

Okay. You're feeling like that nigger. I'm happy for you. That happened. By the way, not the only time that it happened. At Disneyland? Not the only time that it happened. It seems like to me that people fuck with me at Disneyland.

It seems like to me that I'm walking around Disneyland and people who's coming up to me and they're fucking with me at Disneyland and they're saying, hey, Van, this is your fucking spot. Seems like to me people was fucking with me at Star Wars Galaxy's Edge. They was fuck with me in California Adventure. It seemed like to me they was fucking with me, Hyper Space Mountain. They was fucking with me in the Matterhorn. Bob says they fucking with me in Fantasyland they fucking with me in Frontierland they fuck it with me

at Disneyland that's all I'm saying So you did the pass where you had Did you they gave you the escort? No they didn't give me the escort I saw the escort that escort shit It's expensive I saw the escort It is expensive not if you get a big group Okay what's the escort what's the price on the escort

I mean it's a damn what's the price on the escort Bena What's the price of that Bernard you like that shit Grab the microphone. Bernard, it's like, Bernard like, hey, man, how much they cost out here? I know how much they cost in D.C. 75.

It's some thousand, but I think if you do a group, like you just split all the price, you split the price. That's how it is. That's like a Bachelorette thing and Bachelor Bachelorette. Like, if you're the lead, they take you to Disneyland and you get to do that escort thing. It's really fun.

A thousand dollar escorts. It says Disneyland escorted $4.50. It's more than $1.000. It's cost between $500 and $900 per hour. So are you telling me that the Disneyland escorts, minimum. The Disneyland escorts are more expensive than regular escorts. Look up right now.

Seriously. So you get the Disneyland escort for a whole day. Yeah, as long as you want that. You have to have a seven hour minimum. Hold on. Seven hour minimum for Disneyland escort. Look up right now how much it is for a regular escort. Look it up on your computer.

Not a regular escort, like a working girl escort. Don't look at how much it is. On your Spotify computers, don't you dare. Wait a minute. This is for the pot. Wait, what class? No. What class?

Give them the mic. They got different classes on chat. Yeah, like, different classes of escort? You get a high-end escort. They're going to cost more than that. Do you want a low-tier, escort? Do you want a mid-tier? Average.

Shout out to all the escorts in the world. Keep doing your thing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah. That, they cost more than that. Okay.

Wow, we're back. We're back. Well, you know what I did? I'm glad you had fun. I went to Louisiana. Homer Shreve. report. Family reunion. Very special. Oh. Family reunion. Did I know this? I don't think I knew this. I did, because I didn't say, because you know, I'll like say when I'm gone.

Family reunion. Homer's like an hour almost. Yeah. East of Louisiana. We went out there. We haven't had it in 10 years because we have a trail ride every year, so it kind of feels like it's a family reunion. But it was so great. Like, everybody wore different color T-shirts to represent because it's on my grandfather's line. They're five of them. This was five different colors. Everybody came out. I mean, the families obviously changed so much in 10 years. New partners,

kids. It was so good. We did the history, the legacy, obviously good food, trivia games, dance, dedication to those that we've lost. It was just like a really fun day. It was supposed to rain all day. It didn't. We play volleyball. We just, we just

dance into the night. Louisiana is the best state for a family union. I agree. I mean, that's where I've been having them forever, but it's the best. And then my cousin's, my cousin moved out there from Houston. So then it was her birthday. So then we went into Shreveport and we just had a good time. In Shreveport? You were able to have a good time in Shreveport. Man, we went to, first we went to Louisiana Dacquery and that was a lot of fun. It was Greek night. You would have loved it. Oh. And then we went to, maybe was it Gigi's? I don't know, but we left there and we went to Phoenix. Okay.

And the guy who was DJ in our family reunion was DJing at Phoenix. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. So I was like, this is, this was, it was so much fun. I woke up the next day, an hour and I have to catch my flight. And I realized, I have no wallet. Oh, tough. I lost my ID. Oh, that's how you know you had fun.

I lost all my credit cards, debit cards. Mm-hmm. Nothing was spent. on it, thank goodness, but lost it all. I had a great time. So you have to replace all that shit? Yeah. I've done it before. It's happened before. What is the

level of trip that is worth losing your ID while it on the trip? That was. That's worth it. You know why? Because it was family. I saw family. I had a great time that. And then I got to party with my family and some friends in Streetport. And like, it's so casual

out there. Like, you know, I don't, I don't have to put on makeup. I mean, I don't really wear makeup on this podcast, but I don't put on makeup. I don't have to worry about what I'm wearing. It's just like I was in like a jeans skirt, a tank, some tini shoes. There you go. Getting it. Getting it. Dackers. Let me ask you this. Good music. So you lost your ID too? Everything. What if somebody is being Rachette right now? Oh, I was having this conversation with Jade and Bernard. I used to lose my ID maybe every other weekend. It's tough. When I was in Texas and law school. So there's a bunch of Rachel Lindsay's living out of Wisconsin and Austin, Texas. Probably.

So back in the day, I had this four tours. It's a Ford Taurus, S-H-O. What color? Anytime somebody says four-tores, I only see four-screen or blue. This one was silver. Okay. So this had been my mother's car. All right.

So this had been my mother's car, and it was a fancy Ford Taurus. So Four Taurus, S-H-O, it was a stick shift. My mother ended up getting the Lincoln Navigator. Nice. Okay. 1999, me and Ryan Davenport were taking the Lincoln Navigator to Dreams in Baton Rouge

going up and down the strip. So we're going to dreams in the Lincoln Navigator. Okay. I have to reorient. It's at a van time. This is the purpose of this story. My mother gives me the tourist SHO.

Okay. She gives me the car because she gets a navigator. Now this is a nice, car, the Taurus S-H-O. It's a special Taurus. Look it up right now. Look up the Ford Taurus S-H-O edition. It's a nice

version of the Taurus. So this was cool. There was something that happened in the Taurus, though, where next to the stick shift there was like a little hole. Okay? It's a little hole.

When I first got the car, I lost my driver's license in that little hole. Okay. I didn't know that it was there, but I put my driver's license in there or near there and it fell into the little hole. This was a driver's license that I got that still had the picture of me when I first got my driver's license. I was in great shape. I was like looking like myself in the whole nine, right?

So I'm driving the S.A. show some years later. I'm at tech. And I'm with a girl in the car. And she looks and she sees something and she pulls out a copy of. of my ID. And she pulls out this ID that I lost. Now, for me, I had lost this idea a very long time ago.

So I was happy to see it. And she goes, what is this? And I go, is that my fucking driver's license? And she's like, yeah. And then she looks at the picture and she goes, who is this? I'm like, oh, that's me. She was like, that is you?

At this point, I'm probably around $2.90 in real life on the picture. I was probably like 215 or 220. Okay. She started to cry. Why? She was so, I still don't know.

It's one of the weirdest. She's sitting there in the thing. What kind of cry? What kind of cry? She's like, this is you. I'm like, yeah. And I'm like, I actually wanted to call her to be where. I want it to be me.

I've never done that to a woman. But like she was, she started, she got either she was. Like hysterically? No, not hysterically. I think she was disappointed. I'm not sure what actually happened. But when she looked, I guess, at what she could be dating. I don't think that's what she was doing.

I promise you, nigga. Like, this is why I promise you. Y'all, this happened. No, no, I believe you. When she looked like she got, like, mad. And then after this, that little relationship ended up going sour because she would not let me eat. She wouldn't let me eat. She wouldn't not let me eat.

Every time I tried to get some chicken tenders from the fucking student union at Louisiana Tech, she would be like, you don't need all of that. So could the tears have been concerned? Like, what if she was like, wow, maybe, like, I'm concerned for him because he's, you know, put on weight. Like, maybe I can help him.

It could have been tears of concern. Like, she was concerned that maybe something else was wrong with you and she felt like she could help you. I'm so tempted to call Ryan right now. Don't call Ryan. We believe you. I'm so tempted to call Ryan,

but like I never forgot that. She had the ID and then I started like showing the ID to like random girls that we knew. Are you a masochist? I started just showing it just to see how they were respond. I started like showing the ID. Like I showed the ID that Ryan was dating this girl at the time named Teneal.

Like he was dating Teneal. Teneal had a sister named Treasure and I came in there. I was like, hey, look at this. And they went, who's this? And I was like, that's me. I never went, Trevor went, nigga, you fucking lying. I was like, man, give me my shit.

Why would you do this? Because, you know what I wanted to see? I was putting it to the test because I wanted to see if the superficialness exists on both sides. And? It does, but not the same.

I would never, I would never react like that. I just don't understand people. I definitely wouldn't cry. I wouldn't be like, that's not you. I would just take it for what. what it is. I would never give that kind of reaction. Like women always want you to be your best self though.

Because after that after that every like, they're like, hey man, concerned. I'm fucking 21. Like a nigga gained some weight in college. But it's like, if you have a freshman 50, I had a freshman 75. Yeah. And it's like, are you okay? Like you know, is it because sometimes people gain it for depression. Sometimes like there could be a health issue, like a thyroid issue.

But she was concerned. I had a thyroid issue all right. I had an issue with my thighs. That's where the weight goes. Some people have a thyroid issue. Mine goes to my thighs too. Mine goes right to the thighs. But I'm happy that it goes to the thighs

because it makes it, sometimes people will look at me and not know how much I weigh because it's in the thighs it doesn't really necessarily go to the face or other places. My arms are always kind of nice, but the thighs, I'm thick. I'm a thick-ass nigger. No ass, but big thighs. You ever seen a girl like that? Yeah.

See those girls? have the fat-flat booty I got that, no ass but thighs Fat-flat booty Those are a girl named Veronica We can't take days off Why? Look at where we are right now Look at where we are

From escorts To fat-flat booties Fat-flat booty Because your booty has meat on it But there's no butt We got it We got it You have meat on your booty

But there's no actual butt You don't have a shelf In order to have like a real You got to have like a little Because you can- SpongeBobbish, yeah. No, nigger, I'm not like that. The SpongeBob Square.

Nobody said that, though. Bernard, you know what, bro? Bernard, that was a good comparison. Bernard, Bernard, you know what? Nigger, you're going to have to make a decision on this pod because it's already Rachel and Jay clicking up. Donnie is useless. Like, Donnie is not going to be on our side.

Donnie is on his side. He has a nice family. He's a true American. Donnie's in the middle. Donnie's not in the middle. Donnie is Donnie. Donnie is Donnie. I like that.

Donnie is Donnie is the one person at the ringer to me that's like best position to like run a studio. Like they come to Donnie. Like Donnie, Donnie, the fucking last Fantastic Four movie didn't make any money. Dany's going to be like, okay, we'll make it back on the next one. That is not how Donnie sound. Don't feel free to step in at any point.

Don't panic. Yeah, that was a bad impression. Put some base in my voice. Donnie, Don't know. Put some base in my voice. We'll make it back on the next. He literally doesn't sound like that. He doesn't sound like that.

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Let's talk about Kevin Hart. He was on the breakfast club and responded to the criticism surrounding Tony Hitchcliffe's now infamous joke about George Floyd during the Netflix roast of Kevin Hart. Yeah, the George Floyd joke, it wasn't a tasteful joke to our culture, to our audience. But our audience that's watching the roast, if you're watching the roast, you get why they're doing it. You get why the racial humor is on the table. Like it's not, I wasn't shocked. Like, that's what they do. Go look at the Tom Brady one.

Like, that's what they do. It's, it happens every year when they do a rose. It's not new. This isn't a new, it's not a new agenda. It's not a new approach to comedy. Do you feel like Tony Hinchcliff went too far when he made that joke about George Floyd? It's Tony Hinchcliff. Yeah.

Like, I don't, like, I don't expect less. I don't expect more. I feel like you're saying going too far is the point. I don't know for words. Yes. I mean, that's why you're there. And I hate to say this, but I'm going to, because we're being honest. People are talking about that joke.

Talk about a set. Tony Hinchcliff arguably had the best set or one of the best sets. Between Tony and Cheryl and I would say Naeem had a really strong set. I was laughing out loud at Tony until that joke. But not even just that joke. I don't like when people joke about violent, tragic death. I liked Pete said and then I was like, why you had to see a thing about Charleston.

Pete had a great set too. Pete had a Charlie Curtt joking. Like, would I tell those jokes? No. But do I get why they're being told? Yes. Like, I'm not looking at Pete crazy. I'm not looking at Tony crazy.

Like, that's what I know what you're going to do. They talked about my dead mom and my dead dad. Said that they were running a train on my mom. That was hilarious. Right? Oh, that was crazy. Yeah, that was. Regina killed that.

Oh, great. You probably should say Kim's. The jokes about Kevin was on a slave ship in a bottle with like the ship in the bottle. Like I'm going to appreciate humor. I don't get affected by the attempt of humor. I get it, right? In this case, like, do more. It's my production.

We're live. The more is what? Like what is it that you expect me You want me to to take a live production And stand up and and fight Tony or have a reaction Like Tony told a joke It wasn't a tasteful joke to us We didn't like it

Okay, hey man fuck that joke Thoughts Thoughts thoughts thoughts thoughts thoughts thoughts thoughts Um There's a part and I listen to the whole interview not the whole interview, but at least his entire time talking about the roast. There's a part in there where he talks about he understands that there's consequences for jokes. So if you understand that, why is he continuing to talk about it or even what feels like defending it?

Because if you understand that not everybody is going to accept the joke and not everyone is going to be okay with certain jokes that are made, no matter how you we understand a roast is different and typically before roast have not been so public so this audience may not understand it in that way not saying still what happened was okay why are we still talking about it because i guess if because i even saw kevin hart posted something about it and again he's kind of defending what he did and my thought is if you believe in what you believe in and you understand their consequences for it why are you still trying to convince people otherwise. Like I, and it was a little bit frustrating to hear him in the clip that you heard and even if you go listen to that section of the interview in its entirety because he would say things like,

I didn't say the joke. He said the joke. And I've, and it felt like you're dismissing the whole guilty by association and also dismissing a very good point that was made in that interview that you can't say you were up there and they said this about. your family member or another comedian was up there and they said something that could be deemed as crossing the line for them. George Floyd was not on stage. George Floyd can't be on stage. George Floyd is not here. George Floyd has become a symbol of police brutality against black people in this country. It was hurtful. And then even to be dismissive of like what the brother was saying and making a joke out of that, it just feels like you're not understanding

that how hurtful that could be to people and or you're saying you are, but then you're making excuses for it at the same time. And it feels like you're being more of a defender of Tony Hinchcliffe and the presence of him when he has a pattern of racist jokes than it is for an understanding of people who feel like George Floyd represents so much more and you're not listening to what the community is saying. Like George Floyd did not ask to be a punchline, specifically the punchline being about I Can't Breathe. Okay, so let's take this a couple of different ways.

First of all, on the why is he still talking about this? I agree. I don't understand the, just from a PR standpoint, I don't understand just like keeping this story going. I don't either. Right? but to your point, I'll ask you a question. You say, if he understands that there are consequences, why is he still talking?

Do you think it's important to negotiate consequences? I don't know if I think it's important. I can understand why you would do it if there's some level of understanding to the other side that feels a certain way or like, I guess the reason why there's a consequence. Like if he was more understanding to me of why people. people are offended, then I understand maybe the negotiation. But I don't think this, this doesn't feel like a negotiation. What I'm asking you is not even specific to Kevin Hart, just in general.

Do you think when you do something, someone says, hey, this is the consequence. Do you think it's important to have a conversation? Yeah, because I can't say that I haven't done that at all. It always is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the, him doing that doesn't really bother me, right? Him doing that doesn't really bother me because we always do that. We negotiate consequence as a part of a societal pact that we make with one another.

We negotiate consequence actually in legal proceedings. Like what is a fair sentence? Like what is fair? We are always going to ask that question because we're in community with one another. So when something happens, you might understand it there is consequence for it. But you also might say, are you guys treating me fairly? based upon what I've done. And we do that for almost everything,

so I don't think I have a problem with that. But this interview is not the first time he was addressing. Like, he'd already said something. Because I was shocked when I saw this, because I was like, okay, you're still talking about it. You're in the same way. Nothing changed.

I thought, oh, if you're going to go on here and maybe have a different conversation, then sure. This gave him more space to talk about it, but it wasn't anything different. So I was kind of like, well, why are we still doing this? Well, I mean, the reason why he's doing it.

Well, I get why he's doing it. I mean, he thinks he's right. Right? And so he thinks he's right. He doesn't think that he's, might be a couple of reasons I want to get in the guy's head, but it's obviously that he thinks he's right, right? He's going on one of the biggest platforms

in the culture to have what he feels like as a cultural conversation to either convert people to the way that he thinks or for it to be crystal clear how he's approaching this. And that is what it is. People do that all the time. From a PR standpoint, I don't think that this served him.

I think that this prolonged the fucking conversation and it actually raised new concerns for a lot of people about Kevin Hart. Now, I did something with this. What did you do? I was on record saying

that the rose didn't really bother me that much, right? I tell you why the rose didn't bother me. Because it's comedy. Comics talking about comics doing comic stuff. I normally, in those types of situations, have my opinions, but I also let people kind of police their own culture in that way. Comedian stuff. Comedians within comedians doing comedians stuff, whatever, whatever. Some of it's going to be offensive to me.

Some of it I don't always think is useful. That's why even in other times that we've had conversations about jokes that have gone too far, we've brought comedians on to talk about that to see how they feel, right? It's always, you know what's funny? It's like when an NBA player is talking about flopping to me, the flopping in this league has got out of control.

I'm always like, nigga, what you're talking about me? Why are you talking to me about the flopping? Because you're your lead. Stop flopping. It's your league. Don't talk to me about the flopping. But I actually called comedians. I actually worked this story.

I called comedians a bunch of comedians, and I talked to them. Did you ask them specifically about this joke or the roast? I asked specifically about this situation. Okay. And there is zero uniformity, and if anything, there are a lot of people who do not like the way this is being handled. There is, I did not speak to personally. And maybe that they were being this way because they were talking to me.

I did not personally speak to a lot of comics that were like, yeah, man, this is how we do it. They understood that a rose is a rose. Yeah. This is the takeaway. They understood that a rose is a rose. They do understand that. But on the backside of this, there are a lot of people,

I'm just being honest, who are bewildered at the way that Kevin Hart is handling this. Yeah. Like there are a lot of people that don't seem to buckle under the all-powerful unipotent culture of comedy to say that is what it is. They pointed out a bunch of things about this particular roast that made it different, that made it

a little off kilter and made it unique to pass roasts in the tradition of roasting that made this one feel a little insidious. Yeah, I mean, I'm not shocked. I would have been shocked if you said it went the other way. There were some that were

like that. To be honest, there were some that were like we need to have this conversation so that we can be free as comics to have our free speech. But I talked to all of these people were black. I talked to a lot of comedians that were like not only is this shit like

not above board for us, but this is weird. Yeah, it like... Say a lot. I talked to like seven guys. But that's, that's a lot. That's a lot. I think the thing too is I didn't expect Kevin Hart

to dial it back. Because I think that if he does change his tone on this, then too much falls on him. Because the question becomes, you know, people are coming out like Nikki Glazer's like, oh, I'm glad I didn't do the podcast. Kevin asked me to do it. Kevin asked people personally to be a part of the roast.

So if you say Tony Hitchcliff went too far, or Shane Gellis went too far, then the question becomes, why were they ever invited to be a part of this? And that to me is a question as well. Now, on the Breakfast Club, he said he doesn't think Shane Gillis is racist. He doesn't think Tony Hinchcliff is racist. He knows these guys personally, so he doesn't see them in that way.

But I think a lot of people would not, or I think, I'm assuming here for comedians, would not have invited a Tony Hinchcliff because of there is a pattern with him. These aren't just one-off jokes. He has made jokes offstage about racial jokes to people. other comedians offstage that have gotten him in trouble dropped from his agency. If you watch Kill Tony, most of the time those comedians that come on there try to be, say, racist jokes because that's what that audience likes. That's what Tony Hinchcliff likes. That's the kind of stuff that he praises. So to invite that into your roast when this roast is about

celebrating a black comedian and then you invite people to laugh at black pain. if he doesn't, if he doesn't support it, then too much falls on him. So I'm actually not shocked by any of this. Wait me if he doesn't support it too much. If he doesn't say, well, Tony, Tony, double and triple down.

Yeah, like he's got to be like, that's a roast, that's just comedy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because if he's like, yeah, he went too far, then it's, why did you ever invite that person? Well, maybe he believes it. To your rose. He believes what? Maybe he believes in the no-hold,

no-holds-barred aspect of comedy where this is a rose and this is what happened. Maybe he believes in. I mean, well, he's purporting to believe it. Well, he has to. Right. That's the one PR, he has to.

If he doesn't, it opens up too many other doors of how this was even allowed to happen. You know what this is really about? And it's really interesting to me is that like, for me personally, I think it's important that everyone knows something. And is that black people don't like to see black subjugated to anything. there is no culture that should overtake your duty as a black person. Tell you what I mean by this. Black comedy.

People are going to ask which culture is more important. The black or the comedy. Yeah. Black police officer. Which culture is more important? The black or the police officer. If you are saying I am blue before I am black, then that means a nigger is going to get punched in his fucking face. A black man, as a black woman, is going to be abused because you are in the middle of a culture that can be dangerous to black people.

And you ain't going to say nothing because you blue and not black. If it's weird, we're going to talk later about Abdul Carter and Jackson Dart and the sanctity of the NFL locker room. Are you an NFL player or are you a black NFL player that will stand in the gap against racism or racist policies? Will you disturb the sanctity of the locker room, the culture of the NFL for your blackness? If you do not do that, if you're a black TMZ employee, if you're the black bachelorette. If you don't do that, black people feel unprotected by you.

And if they feel unprotected by you, they feel like they cannot trust you. And if they cannot trust you, they'll find somebody else that they trust to support. So the question in all of this stuff is, It's a fundamental one. I don't know if it's a fair question. I don't know if it's a fair question.

But I think, I mean, it's fair to me. But in the grand scheme of things, it's not fair that we have to ask it, right? Was what is more important? If you're a black comic, what's more important? The black or the comic? Because if there are rules in comedy that make black people feel less protected, less seen, more exposed, then people are going to be like, fuck your jokes. And that's fair.

Everything, all of this is fair. All of this is fair to me. All of these are fair questions to ask. But when people are asking them, it's important that people know, Kevin Hart or anyone else, they're not asking these questions like with an objective view of the lens of freedom of speech in America. They're asking these questions in context. And the context is 400 plus years of some of the ones.

worse, torture, degradation, and disenfranchisement in the history of the world. And it's difficult to put that to the side for a laugh. And I get it, right? And I get it. You know, never tell you the conversation that I had with the Nation of Islam guy? I don't think so. We haven't talked about this? I don't think so.

So let me tell you some wisdom I got. So something that happened at TMZ. I'm not sure what it was. I really, seriously, sincerely cannot remember the story. But I'm on with a member of the nation of Islam. And there was something that had been put on the website or said on the television show that I feel like did not represent factually and accurately

something that happened with the nation. I really don't remember what it was. Like I tried to remember, I couldn't remember one. So I make a couple calls and I get on with somebody from the nation to try to fix it, to try to fix whatever, have some type of situation. Bridging the gap between the nation of Islam and TMZ, it's not going to happen for a lot of reasons. Okay? But I was trying, as was what I thought my function at TMZ to be.

I never forget this conversation. So I'm talking to this, brother. I'm like, hey, so would you want to want me to do this and put you in touch with this person and have this conversation and all of that stuff? And then I'll put this and this and I'll do this. And he goes, yes, yes, yes. But I want you to understand something.

I never forgot this. He goes, if this doesn't go right, we will blame you. I'm like, well, I don't run TMZ. I'm not an editorial voice at TMZ. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He goes, you are the black man at TMZ. He goes, if this doesn't go right, our blame will be for you.

Yeah. So if you cannot deliver with what it is that you are talking about doing right now, then we would rather be in community with you in this way then we would be misrepresented on a platform as large as yours. We're going to blame you if it goes wrong. And I went, shit, well, I can't promise that I'm going to produce something or say something.

and when it gets above me that it's not, that it's going to change. I can't promise that we're going to do a lot of work, and then they're going to put it on a website or put it in the TMZ live or put it on TMZ on TV. I can't promise none of that. I actually do not have the nuts at this place to promise you that anything is going to go the way that I wanted. So we just didn't do it.

But I always thought about that because it was something that I knew, just reflexively haven't been there for a long time. But I think it's something that the more you climb the ladder, a lot of black people forget it. Specifically, they forget the responsibility of cultural stewardship. And I do not think that they forget it on purpose. Yeah, they get farther and farther away from it.

Right. And so, like, they forget that truth, that if you are black, protection is not desired. It's expected. And so if you get to a point and people feel like you're not into that, that you don't give a fuck about that, they're going to stop giving a fuck about you. you and not everyone, but certainly some people. You know what the only thing I would say about that particular situation and what's not fair?

If you had not had that conversation and then he saw something and knew that you were the black guy on TMZ, fair for him to feel that way about you. But if he knew how hard you worked and what your intention was personally because he was dealing one-on-one with you, that's not fair to me. I understand the school of thought, but like knowing, having that connection with you and knowing what you were trying to do, it would be unfair for me for him to hold you to that standard. I disagree.

All right. Because you know why? I get why he's doing it. I just don't think it's as fair. Like if I'm, if I'm, I don't know, Bachelorette's not quite the same, but I, but I understand, there was a level of responsibility I felt on that show. Like, once I left the show, The Bachelorette. Once I left The Bachelorette.

it was like, yeah, whether you watch this show or not, there are black people who watch it. There are black people who come on this show. Anytime they ask me a question, I'd be like, yeah, I should be the black person. It should be this. Like that was, you know, I felt like, well, I've opened this door. I'm not going to be like, well, I got it.

Let me pull up the ladder, you know, now that I'm here. I feel like I have this space and this opportunity to talk about, you know, being black and representing myself in this way on that show. If I didn't, I understand why people would be like, look at her. Look at what she did. but if somebody had a particular issue and I was working with them and they knew that I was trying

and I'm like hey I wouldn't talk to this person I'm coming back and I'm telling you what this is and then it still doesn't work out because I'm not on a certain level or I don't have the power I would feel a certain way if they were still holding me to a certain standard knowing how hard I worked

to get something done for them and I did as much as I could. So I understand what you're saying and let me tell you why I always took what he was saying to Hart, and I do believe in it, because in that situation, particularly if you're coming from where he's coming from, intention really doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is execution. I think this is an interesting conversation with what we're talking about with Kevin Hart,

because at different times in this Breakfast Club interview, Kevin Hart said, this is a Netflix thing. I don't want to interrupt this production. He, in a way, both try to communicate. that he is the man and this is the thing and this is what he believes. But then at the same time, he also tried to say, yo, just let you know this is above my head. Because this is nefarious, because this is this, this is that. So what I'm saying is that thing is never going to work. What he was essentially telling me is that if you take this responsibility to try to, and I have plenty of disagreements with the nation of Islam, right?

But what I can tell you is that right now, if it was a bunch of KKK people or skinheads that was coming to my house to try to kill me, I'm going to call the FOI. Because I know that they're going to be there. I know that they're going to stand in front of the place. I know they're going to provide security. I know they're going to be in proximity and all of that stuff. So that just is what it is. But what I'm saying is for him, he's looking at it. He's like, you're saying that your position there is to make sure that we are not culturally

misunderstood or taking advantage of. You have to deliver on that. Intention is not enough. Either you can do it or you can't. If you can't do it, don't glamour us into thinking that you can or let the shit go and we'll figure out a way around it. And I think the difference what Kevin Hart, what I felt like is like in that interview, he's like, nobody's done more for black comedians.

Yeah, he tried to make it. Yeah. But you're missing the point. That's great. and you've done a lot for black comedians and put them on in ways because of how you're positioned and the connections you have

and the power you have. You've done that and no one's taking that away from you. What they're saying is, did you even try with Netflix? Did you even push back? That's what they would want to know. If I knew that Kevin Hart was like, I don't want Tony Hinchcliff,

I don't want this person, or hey, the community's going to feel a certain way because of this person's pattern, because of what they've seen him do, you know, at the Republican National Convention or this person got fired for making a racist joke, not fired, but Devor got an opportunity on SNL because of a racist joke he made. Like that kind of thing, it's like, were you in the rooms fighting for the black community in that way?

That's what people want to hear. They don't want to hear you just say, well, Netflix, it was Netflix's production. There's really nothing I can do because they feel like if one hand you're saying you've got power like this, they feel that you have power in other ways too. I think I could let it go a little bit if I knew that there was something within him that pushed back against the type of roast that we ended up saying. It doesn't seem to be that way because to your point, it does seem like he is putting the being a comedian first in this situation.

I can't speak for all situations, but in this situation, it feels like he's putting comedy first. Yeah. That's all that's the question. That's the question. All right, Donnie, politics. Politics. US launches new strikes on Iran.

Iran accused the U.S. this week of a clear violation of a ceasefire between the two countries after we launched the defensive strike that threatened to disrupt intensifying talks to end the war. Two U.S. officials said the U.S. military strikes were in direct response to what they described as 24 hours of missile, drone, and small boat launches carry out by Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps near the strait of harm. moves. What are your thoughts on the latest out of the conflict in the Middle East? Well, you know, I have a deep, deep, deep geopolitical expertise on this particular issue. And the, I guess when I distill it and I boil it down, my takeaway is that the Trump administration is fucking stupid for starting a war with no way to win the war. other than to revert back to a deal. It's the bones of a deal

that had been negotiated bloodlessly, almost a decade ago. Now, there is no way out of the war short of striking political defeat for Donald Trump or the annihilation of the Iranian civilization which he continues to threaten over and over again.

I guess this is a question that I have. We'll have to answer it right now is you want peace. Of course. The only way for there to be peace is for Trump to essentially declare victory and leave Iran. That's the only way for there to be peace. There's no other way because while that's... Peace for who? For the Iranians and for everyone involved.

Well, the same regime would be there. So I guess I guess that's why I'm like, peace for who? What do you mean? Well, the regime was problematic for the Iranian people, which is why they were that in the diaspora, they were celebrating because they thought that Trump was in there, as he originally said, to overthrow it. So that's why I say peace for, I get what you mean.

There's a level of peace, but not peace for everybody, which is almost impossible. Can I ask a question? And this is not in any way to minimize. the concerns or the beliefs of the Iranian diaspora in any way. How many people from inside of Iran have we talked to? We haven't. I mean, other than, yeah, no, we haven't.

So we're essentially making, and I'm not saying that this is not true. Yeah. But we're essentially making a lot of determinations about life in Iran. that are formulated and given to us by Western media and... Not true. Well, yeah. With the protesting and all, like, the cutting off of their internet and the reports of the tens of thousands of people that were being killed because of the protesting, that's not just coming from Western media. Right, but this is what I would say.

What I would say, it's not just, well, some of it is coming from Western media. Some of it, of course. Let me kind of get out what I'm trying to say. Number one, we have seen vast protests in Iran over the course of many amounts of years that let us know that there are people inside of Iran that want different for themselves. The question becomes, is that enough reason to bomb them? Oh. Exactly. So when I say peace, for example, like Renee Good.

has been killed, Alex Priddy's been killed. Black people right now are the results of police brutality for Cedar Shining C all the time, right? I don't feel like I live a peaceful existence here in America. Would that be enough for a foreign country to go, I'm going to liberate the people of the black people of America by bombing Baton Rouge, right? Because if we're getting to that level, then we have to have a clear set of objectives as to how we are going to give my people their country back. And so when I say peace, I mean getting back to the situation before we began this war and like 165 school children were killed and the infrastructure of the country is being ravaged. If right now there is some understanding that someone can give me about how any of this

is going to make the Iranian people free, change the trajectory of Iranian civilization. I'm willing to listen, but I haven't heard that. I haven't heard it explained. Not only have I not heard it explained, I haven't heard anyone try to explain it. In months, I haven't heard the name of Reza Pavlovi in months, the gentleman who is an Iranian expat,

who lives over in Maryland, who some people would say would be a transitional leader and would bring the monarchy back. I haven't heard any of that. I've heard straight of her moves. I've heard gas prices. I haven't heard anything about the Iranian people

and what they're going through. So when I say peace, I would assume that if I could talk to people inside of Iran that they wouldn't want their civilization bombed back or bombed out of existence. That's what I'm basically trying to say. Yeah, no. Everything you were saying is correct.

The only reason I brought that up is because I want to make space for the fact that the regime over there is extremely problematic and it has been since 79. And that's the only thing I'm making peace for. As a woman living over there who wants more for herself, who wants more freedom, she does not live a peaceful life. That's the only thing I'm making space for. You are correct. Because obviously we both agree that the way to go about this, I mean, we disagreed from the moment they started this at the end of February. So I'm just more so saying, I'm speaking of the individual there. I think the reason we're not hearing about it in the way that we did because what was said is this is why we're going over there because a regime change, right?

So we were seeing more of it. But we know at the end of the day it was really about business and money and all of that with the Trump administration. So I was just making space for that. You're right. I get it. I'm just saying. It's tough. It's tough. It's a good point you make.

about being black in the United States and not feeling peace. But the same thing over there, I'm just making space for that. This is not the way to do it. I'm not comparing the regimes. I'm just saying, what I'm trying to say is that like, I do feel like, though, making too much space for that argument now, in a way kind of justifies the thinking that not just there, but it's not just there, but it's not just there. in places like Cuba, that America has to come in and save the day. And it almost gives, in a way, carte blanche for us to do it any time that we want to do it.

No, no, no, no, no. Because I've made the same, said the same thing about Venezuela. I would say the same thing about Cuba. I would say the same thing. I'm not in agreeance that we should go over there and overthrow governments. We know that that does not work. Never works out well. I'm just simply saying, when you said peace.

that there are still people over there. I do not agree this was always going to end bad. This never needed to happen this way. And to your point, they would much rather not be having school children bombed or not knowing what the future is of the state of their country with the way that they went about it. I was just making that small little thing about, you know, the protests that have been going on there

and what it is to live there, particularly as a woman in Iran. I'm not saying that that should justify us ever going over there and trying to overthrow a regime. Fair enough. I guess what I'm saying is when I was saying peace, I meant the absence of this type of war. I didn't think that there would be perfection in the Iranian civilization. And essentially, of course, there is no love for a repressive, theocratic government that doesn't rule by democracy. or human rights or any of that stuff. You're going to criticize it other places in the world.

You've got to criticize it everywhere. I'm just saying that this particular war has been uniquely useless, uniquely useless. Violent threatens a wider regional war that basically already is happening, has realigned global power dynamics to a degree to where not only does Iran want to control the straight and perpetuity now,

you might have other governments who are looking around and seeing where can we grab regional influence and power by controlling vital waterways or other types of things that can hold the world economy hostage. All of this stuff. I don't think any of this shit

should be that much of an issue because I think you should all have fucking solar panels on your houses and we should change the grid over to electric, all of that shit. But to me, when I'm looking at this, what I am trying to figure out is how do you end the killing that's happening here?

How do you end the killing? How do you get things? And the only way to do it is for Trump to take his L wrapped in the bow of a win. It's very difficult for him to do that because he can't win. Either he loses politically, right? Or the Iranian civilization

loses life, blood, people. The women that we were talking about being oppressed, they're going to be dead. projected to that, yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. No, it's, there's no putting it back in the bottle at this point. And that's the thing.

It's like all that they've gone over there and done is played battleship, right? Their claim to fame is that, you know, they've destroyed pretty much their naval fleet. That's non-existent, but they still have their speedboats that are laying mines in the straight of Hormuz. So really nothing has been done. And so they're never going to go back to the way that things are. So to your point, they either claim a victory and lie to, you know, your base here who will believe whatever you say, but then you completely lose the control or any power that you have over there. I was going to ask you like, what do you, how long do you think this is going to go? There's no, you know, they always say, oh, you keep saying there's no in his sight.

It just started. It's only been this many months. That's what always, excuse me, their defense is. And, you know, like, we're going in there. We've been able to destroy all these ships. But I'm like, but literally you had so many goals when you said you were going to go over there. What's up with the uranium? What's up with the regime?

Right. I mean, I guess they've destroyed, you know, some of their, the factories above ground, but they still have retained a lot of their missiles that are underground. being made. And I don't even know how you could trust a negotiation when you talk about a ceasefire and then you're doing defense strikes, defensive strikes, and you're saying that they're doing strikes, or you're watching an alleged ceasefire that was supposed to happen between Israel and Gaza, and they're still over there bombing them. So why would you have any faith in a ceasefire or believe it that's coming from the U.S. when you're seeing what's happening over there? Why would you believe any of their negotiations when you see what's being done over there? And, you know,

Every single time you say ceasefire, there continues to be bombing, whether it's in Lebanon, whether it's in Gaza, whether it's in Israel, whether it's in Iran. It's like, what faith would you even have with these negotiations? I don't even know what a ceasefire is anymore. If I'm standing in front of somebody and we're like, we're not going to fight and then you kick me in the nuts, I go, hey! So he goes, I didn't punch you in the face. I'm like, what? Just kicked you in your nuts. Kick your balls.

They didn't punch you in the face. The ceasefire's still on. The truth still on. No, you're kicking me in my nuts, but I'm not, didn't punch you in the face, didn't hit you directly in the nose. There's no blood. There's no, we're not fighting unless there's blood. I don't even know what ceasefire is anymore. Like we, with ceasefire and Israel's going crazy in Lebanon, drop sites doing all the reporting, right?

There's independent media out there that's reporting on all of this stuff. There's been no real ceasefire in Gaza. There's none of the international reputation of the United States is completely shot. We love to attack under the gods. of international negotiation. There's nothing. The only thing that is left is to pack it up and go home.

But even then, though, Donald Trump declares victory in one way. In every situation, not just in this situation. There's one way that Donald Trump declares victory, and that's to break your will.

That's the way he does it. Like, Donald Trump declares victory in breaking your will. Nothing is a negotiation. It's all a power play. A negotiation is a situation where at the end of it,

everybody loses a little bit and wins a little bit. You don't have a president that is okay with that. You have a president that's okay with ultimate surrender and dictatorial behavior, not just internationally but domestically. So he has clearly not been able to break the will of the Iranians. Every time he challenges them, they say, fuck it, let's go.

Like my man Remember snowing the bluff? Fuck it Fuck it We ball Okay Every single time Let's do it

Come on let's do it Let's do it Now they want a deal Don't get me wrong They want a deal Because they're being decimated But the same time They keep talking

This cash money shit They not getting out of his way No They're gonna stay there So the thing is If we have people That were mature And understood

what kinds of negotiations need to happen for there to be peace. You'd have somebody, go over there and be like, okay, blah, blah, blah, is going to look bad, all it is to declare victory, get out. But you can't, because that's not politically expedient for the president. The only thing that's politically expedient for him is to essentially make Iran a colony of the United States of America. And they're not going for that. No. And they've said it a bunch of times.

They're not going for that. So I don't know. I don't know. All right. I don't know what's happening right now. It's tough. It's tough. It's tough. Enjoy your gas prices. You voted for it. Okay. Donnie, the courts. All right. Some potentially good news in the fight against redistricting. A federal court blocked Alabama from using a newly proposed congressional map for the 2026 elections, ruling that the map likely discriminated against black voters. The court said that Republican-backed map would reduce the state from having two majority black or near-majority black congressional districts.

down to one, despite black residents making up about 27% of the state's population. Judges ruled that Alabama lawmakers intentionally weakened black voting power when redrawing these lines, calling the map unconstitutional under the Voting Rights Act. Now, this will be appealed, but in the immediate, it looks like a win. Huh. Yeah, we talk about Alabama and South Carolina at the same time. Yeah. Do you want to give a little bit on South Carolina?

Yeah, Don, do it. Right, yeah, same situation. The South Carolina Center rejected an effort backed by Trump to redraw the state's congressional districts ahead of the election. This proposed map was designed to help Republicans potentially gain another house seat by reshaping districts currently represented by Democrats. Republican lawmakers in South Carolina declined to move forward with the plan with some expressing concerns about changing the district maps so close to the election cycle. So, yeah, again, another win, but we'll see how long that win lasts. made some calls here. My people in South Carolina told me, I did, made calls. Tiffany, let me know. They said that the question I asked was, people I know in South Carolina,

was, was it the fact that Rep. Claiborne is so well respected? Is that one of the reasons why this didn't? And Rachel was like, no. They said no. That's not why. Part of this is just a rebuke of the feds. They don't like being told what to do

in South Carolina. They don't like being told. They don't like being told what to do. The president's political power isn't the same way that it is. It's been in the past. Trump's not on ballot right now. So they decided that at least for now, because this doesn't mean it's going to be like this forever. At least for now, they're not going to go forward with this.

I don't know if I'm really going to call any of these wins. I think it sounds good right now when you throw it up against what Louisiana and Tennessee are doing or even Georgia talking about what they plan to do for 2028. I think we're just talking about the inevitable that all these red states will eventually make this happen. And if they do try to, which I will give credit to the Alabama federal court for saying putting voting rights

and putting voters and citizens first, it's going to go to the Supreme Court and they're going to do exactly what they already did in Louisiana. So it's just, it's such a shit show. like voting should be simple and it really just like I don't understand anybody that protest that like I'm not talking about politicians you should be able to people should run for office you should be able to go to the ballot mail in a ballot early vote vote on the general election day and that should be that should be it right of course you should be a citizen of course you should

have ID, but you should not be making it so hard. Like anybody who is against this, I would just ask yourself the simple question, why should it be hard to vote? I'm not talking about somebody who's illegal. Why is it hard to vote? Why should it be hard? They would probably say it shouldn't. And then you would throw in this kind of stuff.

Then why are they doing this? Because they are manipulating, which we've talked about a great length. There's no place you can vote without ID, by the way. Yeah, no, I know. I know. I'm just saying like if somebody tries to take what I'm saying in a different way, I want to be very clear. Bernard. What, you got something to say? We like teachers in the classroom.

What's so funny back there? What's you laughing at? What you're laughing at? What you got something? What you got something to add? Was that a slight to Rachel for not having her ID? Oh. I want to make you.

No, we just want to make sure because if she says that. Yeah. Because if she's... I want to make something very clear. When I leave here and after I go to this event, I plan on early. voting. And I want everybody, because when I put on, I vote a sticker and everybody's like, wait a second on that podcast. She says she didn't have an ID. I have my passport. She got the passport. Okay? I have my passport. And it's particularly in my purse today because I plan on early

voting. I'm just making sure that nobody jumped on rage because Rachel is saying voter, blah, blah, blah, we actually panicked. I looked up the, I literally looked up the laws in California last night because I was freaking out because I'm not going to be here on general election day. I'm out of town. And I was freaking out about the idea of not being able to vote. Okay, because it's too late to do Mellon ballot at this point. I say it's a shit show because obviously dedicating three years of my life to go into law school and practicing law for seven years,

you know how I have felt my dad being a federal judge about the laws, about the court, the way that I looked at it. And the Supreme Court right now is playing with our voting rights to fit their partisan preferences, which is in complete contradiction of what the Supreme Court or any type of judge is supposed to represent and what our laws in this country are supposed to represent. And the reason I say, like I shook my head when you were talking about South Carolina because I don't even think that it's really them saying no to the feds. I think it's

just so many people showed up to early vote. And I think that is the voters saying we want our vote to count that they're like so many people have voted at this point that we're going to go ahead and let this primary happen because we don't want to deny these people of the fact that they were voting, which good for them. But they're basically saying that we're going to let this primary happen and then we're going to revisit it when it comes to the midterms and the general election. So that's why I say it's the inevitable. But fine. Shout out to the voters who went early and said there's so many of them, we need our votes to count, and they actually honored that. In Alabama, I'll give the feds, the federal judges, their due because they said, we already ruled that this map is illegal

and it discriminates against black voters particularly, and that is the map we're going to put in place. So even in viewing the Supreme Court's decision and looking at what they said, we still believe that our map, the map that was put in front of us should not be green lit because it's discriminatory on the balance of racism. Now, it's going to go up to to the Supreme Court. And it's such a high standard to prove that. Because remember, as we discussed before, if you can prove that it's political more than it's racial, then it counts, which is insane to say out loud anyway. So it's going to get turned down regardless. It was nice when I first saw these headlines, but the more that I read into it, it's like these maps are going to get changed anyway. And

there's honestly no way to fix it unless, you know, you vote the right people into your local Congress and national Congress to try to not let these things happen. These maps be redrawn. I said something wrong. I rebuke your nihilism. I rebuke your nihilism. I rebuke your cynicism. I'm counting two wins.

Do you know why I have to talk like that? Because I don't want people to be like, everything's turning, it's working. They would have to be morons to think that at this point. Well, no, no, no. People read headlines. I know. I know.

And I want them to understand the depth of the headline. Contextualizing it is one thing. But the reality is there are things that you can pull from both of these that signal wins and you kind of got to talk about the wins to me. I'm not being the contrarian. No, me. Oh, I don't know. I said, am I being the one now?

Not you. I don't like to use that fucking term. because a lot of times when people use that term is just to depress actual conversation and people's actual real feelings about... I apologize. Okay.

So it's too much. It's about to be another. It's about to be a May crash out. No. Okay, so two things, two reasons why I will call... Oh, that's, oh, yes. Like, two reasons why I'll call these. They're not total victories.

You're right. But number one, the Alabama judges legitimately called out the racism here. They did. They called out the racism here. Two of those judges, or at least are Trump appointed. You're right, too. They called out the racism here. They said, the judges said, so people know,

when you are watching late night television, Fox News, whoever you watch on your fucking podcast, and everyone's trying to tell you that this is not about race, the judges in this case, two Trump appointed judges, said, guess what, this is blatantly racial and discriminatory. They looked at it, that's what they said, right? That in and of itself, I have to be like, yes, because you have two people that probably don't share

the same political beliefs that I do. This doesn't absolve them from, we go through, they put this nigga, whatever. This doesn't absolve them from any of the beliefs they may have or may not have. In this particular situation, they were willing to say something, and put it out there that it doesn't seem like the judicial is willing to do right now, which is to say this is discriminatory, this is racist, and we are here to stop this from affecting Americans.

So I got to count that as a win and take a glimmer of hope. Not that this won't get fucked up by the Supreme Court or whatever, but a glimmer of hope in that we can still get there. In the case of South Carolina, they bucked the point. president. They bucked the president even slightly at a time. Some Republicans have actually even accused McMasters, the governor, of slow rolling this in a way to silently buck the president so that he can do it without having to do it. And their internal talks about whether or not South Carolina wants this for their state. I'm not so sure that South Carolina actually wants this for their state. I hope I'm wrong.

I don't know whether not you're wrong or I'm right, but there is enough dysfunction in South Carolina around this for me to believe that there are certain people there that are going along with the motions for this to I guess

placate the president. And then there are certain people who think that this is a bridge too far and they're not quite willing to move on it. And if you kick the can all the way to the midterms, then maybe there's a chance that it doesn't happen. Well, listen, to your point, the only way that this, they allowed this to not move forward and to keep the maps in place was for Republican, state Republican senators to join the other side. Right.

So if that continues, and I hope you're right, maybe this will spread on. Because in the Alabama, and I know you were just talking about South Carolina, the Alabama judges are doing what they were sworn in to do. They are putting the law first. They use this thing called the Purcell principle. which the federal, it's a doctrine within federal courts where courts should generally avoid changing rules too close to an election to avoid voter confusion. That was a huge, huge part of what they did. They were like, we can't change this because people aren't going to know what districts they're voting in and all of that stuff. They did it for democracy partly.

Exactly. Voting matters. It is your voice. It is important. And to do otherwise, which is what the Alabama courts are saying, is to deny people their voting right. It's completely against democracy to be in favor of what, to manipulate voting to benefit a particular party, to be partisan, which is, again, so crazy that that's what the Supreme Court said you could do. You can manipulate the system in favor of your political party. That court has always been on some bullshit, Rachel.

Well, you know. That court has always been on some bullshit now. Okay? I should have appointed Sam Lindsay. You think, what if he was on there? I would. Is it too late? My dad's going to be 75 this year.

You know what else I've been thinking about? He had to go through the Court of Appeals first. You know what else I've been thinking about as it relates to the Supreme Court? This is not a novel thought. You know, Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court. And he is by far. The most problematic judge of my lifetime, maybe ever, the most anti-black Supreme Court justice.

Anti-woman. Anti-LGBQ plus. All of it, all of it, right? In a functioning society where people that take advantage of women and don't respect women are not allowed to grab the highest rungs of the social and political power ladder, He would have gotten there because we would have been like, hey, you know, he put pubic hair on a Coke can or whatever. Talk to this woman like this. This is not someone with the required decision-making prowess, the moral standing to make the rules that will govern the lives of millions and millions of women and people.

we didn't do that we didn't do that we did the same thing that we always do which is overlook certain things about people and put them in positions to make direct and definitive decisions over people's lives and that wasn't just

a situation that was that happened on the right there were many people on the left Democratic Party that for some reason attacked to heal and put manned and dude

in front of right and just and we're fucking paying for it now we can be in a situation where we continue to do that I'm not getting on a moral horse and looking down to people I'm the wrong one I keep trying to tell you guys this over and over again it feels like I'm being a hall monitor I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm saying

that there are things about Clarence Thomas's past and who Clarence Thomas is They should have stopped Clarence Thomas's ascension. They didn't, and we're paying for it now. And how many motherfucking examples of this do we need until we vet people and hold them to different standards for leadership? That's all I'm saying. Guys, you got a little man, you can't say this. You love Pinky's videos.

I'm not, you know what I'm saying? I'm not saying this at all. I'm not trying to act like I'm just saying, guys, like this is something that could have been hit it off at the past in the early 90s. It wasn't. And look at what the court is now. Not only that, but the full-on assault that's been on the, ah, fuck it. All right, let's go.

Sick of it. There's all this complaining. Can we have a non, what do we have to complain about now? This is a complaining-ass podcast that we're doing right now. Are we complaining too much? No. You don't think so? Things suck.

Yeah, but I'm having fun. Oh, before, you know what? As a little, before we get to Spencer Pratt, What is everyone's opinion on a white wine spritzer? It's refreshing. What do you think? I'm only drinking white wine sprinters the whole summer. I'm not drinking another alcoholic drink.

And how are you introduced to them? So. You love a light drink. Love a light drink. Actually, no. No, no, no, no. Let me take that back. I take that back.

I stand corrected. Let me not do that to you. Because lately when I've been around you, you've been like, y'all got Hennessy. And I'll be like, race no you literally said that that's race and I was like

that's the hard I like you I'm used to you you usually have like a little umbrella in your drink and you're like can I get the Hennessy and I was like race that's race I like Hennessy and you guys don't understand when race is being done from inside your community y'all niggis got Hennessy in the hose that that's how she came

off right there did I say that's race that's the way I took it that's race that's your fault That's race. That's first degree race. Right there. You guys just like, that's race. Well, let's get back to your wine-white spritzer. White-white.

White wine. That's for Bernard. Wine-white. That's for Bernard. White wine spritzer. I like white wine spritzer. I like white wine spritzer is the perfect drink. And where did you have it at Disneyland?

I had one at Disneyland. I had one at the hotel. I had one last night at this boys panel that I moderated. Shout out to a prime video. Eric Kripke, the entire creative team of the boys. I'm moderated. panel there last night. I had a white wine spritzer. Let me tell you what they did at the Pacific Design Center. A bunch of fucking Jesus is over there, right? I'm telling you. So I go up to the bar.

They got a white wine. I'm like, can you guys do a white wine spritzer? They're like, we can do anything. I'm like, whoa. My bad. Okay? We're pros. We can do anything. And the guy looks at me, he goes, you know, like the bartenders always, hold on, the bartenders. he's always like polishing a glass he looks at me and goes hey you ever have a white wine spritzer with sprite

I look back at him I go nah I never had that before that's some 2072 shit and he goes let me put you on did he did the white wine spritzer with a little sprite

and God damn it if my life wasn't changed all summer long. I'm just going to be walking around a neighborhood Friday night white wine spritzer with Sprite. I like it with the ice in it. Oh, do you? Oh, my God.

It is a refreshing drink. It's a refreshing drink. I don't want to get all fucked up off alcohol going crazy. You can't get fucked up on a white wine sprits. You have to drink a lot. I'm a big guy. I don't want to get all crazy fucked up

or like with hanging out with Sean Dickerson and getting all crazy fucked up off drinks. Don't do Sean like that. It's a lot of drinks. Sadeke. Sadeke is coming up. There's a lot of drinks there. Remember that time you went to it.

you go to the Diddy party a couple of years ago for Halloween? No, I did not. When he came as the Joker? No, not that one. The next one year after. No, I didn't. It went as Batman. You weren't there? This was a Sadiq party? It was a Sadiq Halloween party. I don't go. Puff was there as Batman. You were there? I was not. I was in New York. But there were people that I know that were there. And I sent them. But it wasn't, was it a Diddy Party? It was Sadiq, though. Like, people go to Sadiq. Sadiq is one of the most amazing brilliant parties ever.

If I met Sadiq and Ditty pops up, I wouldn't think it was a Ditty party. That's the question. He came to the party. Is any party that Ditty shows up to a Ditty party? No. Or is a Ditty party something that Diddy threw? Now that the Ditty parties have been defined.

Yeah. And we know their levels to it. It's a Ditty party is only a party that Ditty is throwing. So I think that there should be degrees. At his residence. Okay. Just, you know. Okay.

It's like, it's like, I think that there should be. degrees to ditty parties like there are to murder. Wow. You just got on me for seeing residents. Just listen. You just compared it to murder. No, listen. Okay, what's third degree?

So a third degree diddy party is like a corporate party that diddy through at like, let's say diddy throws a party at like fucking, I don't know, the Pacific Design Center or like the W or something like that. That's a third degree ditty party. All right. Cool. A second degree ditty party would probably be a ditty party that he threw at his residence. Right.

Okay. So that's a, you're a second degree ditty partier, right? A first degree ditty party is probably a party with like under 50 or 30 people there, where, you know, there's not a lot going on, whatever. And then a capital ditty party, capital murder, that's a freak off. So there should be, so because there's so many people that have been to ditty parties that you can't put them all in the same. there should be first degree ditty party, second degree ditty party, third degree ditty party,

and then capital ditty party, which is essentially a freakoff. So if you went to too many first degree ditty parties, and it's probably a thing, right? But if you was at a bunch of second or third degree ditty parties, then, you know, these are parties that everybody was at. Which ones were you at? What are you getting charged with? You know, it's not a thing, okay? But I would say I probably made it to second degree.

but like look I just let you guys know Jay don't look at me that way I'm actually I have a question on the white wine spritzer Okay go for it thank you Let's hope there no more ditty parties by the way But keep there a joke Oh no no no no that shit is done Now this is so let me tell you what this is

Let me tell you what the deal is Do you remember when Epstein got out of jail In like 09 Or remember there are people that Party with him before And they're like hey man I know what the fuck was going on It might have been tough not to know

but there's a different degree of people that partied after. Like that partied after Epstein got out. Now, that's kind of the same place that you are in the Puff situation. There are people that party before that might be able to be like, hey. But see, if you had a party in 28 or 29, you've made a choice. Agreed. Hmm. Agreed.

Jade, your question. Go for it. Is there a difference between white wine spritzers and sparkling white wine? Sparkling white wine. Was that like Persecco? No, that's champagne. It's like, what's a sparkling wine? I've never had this.

It's a sparkling wine. It's just a sparkling wine. But I'm like, is there a difference between the sprits? Yeah, because a spritzer has, you just put club soda in it. But it just. Or Sprite for you. Why are you trying to complicate shit? Well, I'm a sparkling wine kind of girl.

So that's why I never even knew that there was sparkling wine. I don't know if I've ever had sparkling wine. What is sparkling wine? Prosecco is not sparkling wine. Perseco is champagne. Okay. Sparkling wine. So a sparkling wine and champagne is not the same thing.

I think a Prosecco is a type of sparkling wine. Okay. But, you know. You know, I just, I had a question. I appreciate that question. I'm interested in these spritzers. Yeah, they're really good. They are good. They're really refreshing.

High learning. Like a Hugo Spitz. Oh, you're going to love a hugger. I love a Hugo Spritz. I love an operol sprits. I love all of these things. Shout out. Apparal Sprits is sometimes a little bitter.

Because I don't like the bitters. Sometimes it's a little bitter to Aparal Sprits. Shout out to La Petit Troa over there. Melrose. Great restaurant. It's a great place. That's where we're going to have higher learning little dinner. Where?

Lipitreau. Tuat. Oh, yeah, yeah. Was that your first time? Yeah, it just opened. It's fantastic. It just, no, it's been there forever. They just opened it.

I went to the restaurant. La Petit? Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I feel like that was there when I lived there. Sorry, sorry, sorry, no, no, no. Thank you, Donnie. No, no, no, no. No, no, no.

Sorry, I'm thinking of the restaurant at the PDC. I thought we were still there. Oh, sorry, that's the new. Not Donnie coming in for that. Not offended. No, no, no, they have a great pork chop. They used to, you know, I know where all the pork chops are.

Pork-based diet. All right, let's get to. Okay, we had to take a little break, guys. We had to take a little break from all of this shit. to say stuff about ditty. I do think that the first degree parties is like... I thought that was a great comparison. All right, let's go.

Spencer Pratt. All right, yeah. The L.A. mayor challenger, Spencer Pratt. He blasts the incumbent mayor, Karen Bass, his approach to addressing homeless people in the city, but also talking about how Seattle would welcome them. Let's hear from Spencer. What are your plans for the over 40,000 homeless in Los Angeles?

Yeah. Well, they're not homeless. They're drug addicts. most of these people are addicted to fentanyl and meth. This isn't Spencer making it up. Are you saying they don't have homes? There is places for all of these people to sleep in LA. No matter what anybody tells you, we have housing and shelter for everyone that's living on the street.

They are choosing to be on the street because they want to do drugs. They don't want rules. They don't want to listen. They want to have animals to abuse. This idea that they're forced on the street right now is a lie that our city is perpetuating. We've paid $24 billion to house these 40,000 people. There are spots for all of these people. They are choosing because they're an addict and you can do fentanyl and super meth on the sidewalk with no repercussions.

These places are not as you have to follow some rules. You can't torture a dog in some of these houses. You can't just attack people. So where are you going to move? I just released a nine minute video. I think I saw your video. Yeah. So it's very detailed.

It's going to take time to build the facility and money. No. How fast do you think you can do it? These people can literally, I went to Washington and I saw miles of the most insane prefabricated housing and building. I asked all the CEOs of these companies, say, how long does this take? I met with FEMA and HUD three days, three days. And all of this is cheaper than trying to take over, kick home, senior citizens out of their

buildings is what happens. They kick them out. And then the NGOs come in and they spend four years. This is LA. This is LA's time table. Where is this facility going to be? It's on federal, beautiful federal land property. Where in LA County? Well, when I'm mayor, I'll go meet with the federal government and I'll get the property. Right now, I'm just running. So I can't give you the exact address because I don't have the legal responsibility to go represent Los Angeles and say, can I have this land? But when I'm mayor, I promise you, because we have the Olympics coming and everybody in the government wants L.A. to be the number one most beautiful city, they will work with me to give me the land. I need to put this. So you're going to move these 40,000 people somewhere and you're going to have this facility up in, you said, how long? Here's what you got to realize. 90 days. Let me explain something. These 40,000 people, 60% of them, City Watch just announced this week, are not from Los Angeles.

They're not from California. These people have been bust in by scam rehabs, scam NGOs, scam homeless nonprofits. These people, when I unplug them and say, we're not. He says that he says that he's going to take all the homeless people, round them up in Sinema, Seattle. I can't, fan. You can't what, Rachel? I cannot do Spencer Pratt right now. Why? Go ahead. Talk about him.

I found this response really interesting. Why? A couple of reasons. Spencer Pratt has run essentially a campaign off being a concerned citizen. That's his campaign. Things happened to him, and they were so terrible that it made him see, how much dysfunction existed in Los Angeles. And so now, Special Pratt has decided

that he is going to do his civic duty and become mayor of Los Angeles. Does that sound like somebody who cares? No, it doesn't. Does that sound like someone who gives a shit about any of these problems? No. Of course it doesn't, right?

Now, I will be honest, I have said before that I do not have a problem with a citizen going, hey, my city is not being run right. I am going to run for mayor, run for city council, whatever. I think that's what people should be doing. But if you run on, look at what's happened to L.A. And look how it's affected me.

How could you then turn around and take a problem as serious, dire, and complex as unhoused people in their lives and make it into essentially a moral judgment of the 40 to 60,000 people that live without homes and shelter in Los Angeles. It is anti-human. It's more than anything. It's a political miscalculation for, to me, the campaign that Spencer Pratt has been running, I guess we're to believe that the tragedy of being unhoused only matters if, you are a rich person and your home was burned by fire. But everyone else has made the decision that they don't want to live with shelter, functioning.

I mean, all of this stuff, there's so much stuff that goes into this. There's capitalism. There is health care. There's the entire kitten caboodle of social dysfunction lead to the type of crisis that we see in Los Angeles. And you need serious people to address it. That's not a serious answer. Not only that, that answer is. so deeply unsurious that it seems like that's the point of it?

Well, because it's working, at least as far as the attention that it's getting, and he's speaking to people who speak in headlines, who speak in clickbait, and it's working because we've created a society that that is what they do. I recently commented on my former co-worker, Billy Bush's post because he posted a picture. with Spencer and I said Billy I'm really trying to understand why of course he invited me to come on his podcast Billy which I will do are you going on there absolutely okay and the thing is is to your point the reason it's like I don't even like the thing speaks for itself I say that a lot you always say everybody has different jobs I always say the thing speaks for itself it is so obvious in that clip

that his privilege, he's speaking from a place of privilege, and he is only willing to serve people with privilege. You look at the people who are supporting him, there's all a common thread through them. Privilege, that's all they care about. I said it a couple of weeks ago. This is a man who is for sell. This is a man who cannot be taken seriously.

This is a man who is doing this in order to get the attention that he has wanted, ever since we've seen him on reality TV, to get, to be connected and chummy with certain people in this LA society and to profit off of it, because let's be for real, he's going to fucking do that too if he becomes mayor. I am so disappointed in certain people actually taking him seriously because to align yourself, very similar to what I said the other day, about aligning yourself with racist policies, to align yourself with someone who thinks people are disposable,

who only cares about a certain sector of people, and to use care ambassadors, words, who is using the pain of other people, the actual people suffered to boost your own campaign and to win, you are equally the same person. Who is? The people who support Spencer Pratt. If you support what that man just said in that clip, you believe people are disposable. If you support what that man just said, you believe your privilege over everything. We talked earlier about Kevin Hart, do you put comedian first or do you put being black

first. These people are putting themselves and their privilege first over anything else when it comes to the city of Los Angeles. It is so obvious that they don't care about the actual needs and the concerns of these city, this city. Like Karen Bass, and I'm not here to like promote her in that way, but like a simple search shows that one, in the same way, I do appreciate that interviewer because it's better than other interviewers that I've seen him talk to, him pushing back, okay you're going to use federal land where are you going to use it it's not that simple you have to fight through bureaucratic red tape to get that stuff done to build affordable housing you don't just say i'm the mayor i'm going to talk to these people i'm going to build this land in three days and move 40,000

people or ship them back out of here so you can make way for the olympics so the people who are funding your campaign can have their city look the way that it wants to that's not how it works i just like i i don't know if i'm frustrated by anything more than the spencer proud of of it all and people who I actually think are smart supporting him. I shouldn't be surprised that they're putting their privilege first. But damn it, I didn't think that they would be this overt about it. Rachel. I'm fucking sick of it.

I'm like in a fucking mood. Maybe it's my, me losing the wallet and my debit and credit cards. But I, we've already been through this with Trump, and I'm not saying he's on the same level, but it's out of the same playbook. And I just, I go through my feed and I get, I'm also on my period. I'm not to like almost get emotional. I'm supposed to get emotional. What the fuck?

I just, wow. I just cannot stand the attention that this man is getting right now. This man does not give a fuck about anything but himself. And the fact that people I know are actually like, yeah, Spencer Pratt for me, I don't know. I'm calm down. I'm you today. You don't have to calm down. I am you today.

Wow. See, look how that went. I actually No, I just mean like I'm like so emotional about it But again, you know Like I said I'm on my period I actually wish he still worked here

So we could call him in I would love for him to come on this podcast Can we just look at what just happened Rachel said I'm emotional I'm on my period I'm you You know it's like I don't like that I'm sorry

What the body blows that I receive On this podcast ever stop Why don't like When the body blows that I get on this podcast ever cease. You know what I've more meant is that, because I apologize to that. You'll have to apologize for that.

I got it. I apologize for that because I more so meant you'll get so worked up that you just stop. You're like, I'm just going to stop talking right now because you just don't want it to go there. That's what I meant. I'm just going to stop.

I'm like, I should not be this outrage. You're disappointed in Billy Bush. I'm disappointed in anybody that I know that I have like a connection with that actually is taking this shit seriously. I actually don't think they are. I just think they're taking themselves seriously. I think I'm getting upset

because there is a real chance that I think that he's going to be a contender. No, Rachel, they like this shit and let me tell you a couple of things. No, they do. It benefits them. Let me tell you a couple of things. First of all, I've been through this, you know,

when I was at TMZ, I thought that there was a, because remember, this is there. I talked about this before. Setting a level of morality to me is impossible. You can't do that. You can't set a level.

level of good because there are people that I know that are so devastatingly good that the average human being cannot meet their moral standard, right? And I just don't believe, but what you can set and what I think that society should try to do is set a level of bad. You can set a level of toxicity, what we'll accept, we're all a little toxic, right? We're all a little fucked up. We're all a little hypocritical. We're all a little bit liars, a little bit this, a little bit that.

We can say, though, that you've gone too far. It's difficult for everyone to say, hey, let's meet the standard of this particular person because everyone has different ideas of what is good. What is bad, though, is kind of the thing that society needs to agree on, in my opinion. We need to agree on what's unacceptable. All right.

So sometimes, you know, I was at TMZ. I thought that when the Trump shit came, that we had kind of set that line, that we had set a line of like what was, unacceptable. We could have conversations about what did we say, the jokes we make, the way we cover things. And then I realized that that line was not said, at least at that point, things seemed to be different then. And I was legitimately disappointed. Like a fucking babe in the woods, an ignorant, stupid, legitimately like, wait a minute, man. I didn't think it would get to this

point. Things have changed. People make up their minds, whatever is different stuff. I'm not looking to revisit that. I'm saying. The situation with Spencer Price, is that a lot of these people that are supporting Spencer Pratt have emotions surrounding this particular problem that aren't unlike a lot of other people. If you are driving around Los Angeles and you see an encampment or if you are driving along around Los Angeles and you see people that have addiction issues, it arrests you a lot of times. It makes you feel like you will indict yourself. You'll be like, look at, I go inside and play the video game and do all of this stuff. Look at this person that's legitimately outside of my building. They have to take planters and put them in a space outside of my building to stop someone from sleeping there and doing drugs outside of the building.

This is not in a bad part of Los Angeles in any ways, they perform. You go one block, Beverly Hills is right there, right? which you never see that in Beverly Hills because their police forces, get the fuck out of here, right? And then there are people that look at Los Angeles as their personal

cultural playground that don't think about the fact that what they might have might contribute to inequality that leads people to sleep on the streets. They don't like the sight of it. It bothers them. They don't like the sight of it. They think that the dysfunction

that signals is this moral decay, which is what he's speaking to, which is why I try, albeit poorly, to always indict systems over people. I do that,

so I never sound like Spencer Pratt sounds like, sounds right now, because Spencer Pratt right now is saying that 50,000 people, 60,000 people decided that they would rather be addicted to fentanyl,

live on the streets, and abuse their dogs, rather than have homes, jobs, and their mental health. And that is such an easy thing for people to believe because they look at it as not this grander problem that we have to solve, but just something that we can get rid of. Yes. Something that we can dispel.

Something that we can get out of here. That type of reductive thinking is what leads to abuses of power. It leads to demagoguery. Because now what you want is not someone, to fix a problem or address a problem, you want someone to just take the trash out. And I see that in so many different things it's not about just taking the trash out sometimes.

Sometimes let's get to the root of the reason why there's so much trash. And maybe there won't be as much. So, you know, I don't know Billy Bush or whatever or none of those people. I don't want to make it just about Billy Bush. Okay, I'm not trying to get out. I'm not trying to get.

Because they're going to come at me for even being like, well, I don't want to, yeah. That's my coworker. I know I'm in a different way, whatever. I'm going on this podcast and talk about it, though. No, no, no. But by the way, though, that's the way that you do that. The way that you do that is by having that conversation.

I don't look at that in any way and go, oh, my God, like, you work with the fucking guy. You know the fucking guy in a different way. It's not the only fucking person. It's not the only time that it happened. That's a nothing thing. But the reality is that when I look at somebody like him, the last name, stuff that I know, let's take it away from him. Let's take it to David Fulster,

who was always like a cool, jovial guy. Let's take it to Jeannie Bus, one of the owners, somebody who I met not too long ago, one of the owners of the Los Angeles Lakers or former owners of the Lakers. I'm not sure you know the way I was working right now. All of these people seem to be coalescing

around Spencer Pratt, and it's because he's one of them. So the question is, what happens to the people that are not one of them? Because those people, not just the Palisades, but Altadena,

not just Beverly Hills, which is a different city or the west side or whatever, but everyone needs answers and they need serious people to answer these questions. And even from a cynical perspective, he didn't even fucking try to answer that question.

He didn't. He just performed. Which is out of the Trump playbook. Which is out of the Trump playbook. Okay. Yeah. Which is why Trump is supporting him. It's Maca.

He's Maca. Okay, so look, we have, we're basically coming to the end here. We have two more. We could do out of, Abdul Carter or we could do You teased Abdul Carter The last one will be quick

As quick as As quick as that fight was Damn man Rachel why you Can we just do Abdul Carter please Then we can get to this anti-Rajay agenda That has continued to be on this podcast For a long time man

I'm sick of the spectacle I know I know you are But let's just do Abdul Carter real quick Let's do Abdul Donnie All right Let's start

the New York Giants quarterback Jackson Dart drew some offseason attention after he appeared at a political rally in New York where he introduced President Donald Trump. The appearance quickly drew some online backlash, including from his teammate, Abdul Carter, who posted that he thought that the video was AI and questioned, what we're doing. Carter later deleted the post and publicly stated that he and Dart has spoken

privately and resolved the issue and said that they were both good. But former NFL quarterback boomer Ossison had this to say during a radio segment on WFAN. This was a real error on the part of Abdul Carter, not on the part of Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart was asked to do something to introduce the President of the United States. How many people get an opportunity to do something like that, regardless of who the president is? You may not like, you may have hated Barack Obama. You may have hated Joe Biden. And some guys didn't want to go to the White House because they didn't like those presidents,

just like other guys didn't want to go to the White House because they didn't like President Trump. You know, but to put this out like a child on social media is ridiculous. And then when I heard, yeah, we spoke man to man. Yeah, there was only one man on that call, and that was Jackson Dart. You were a man who was late to meetings. You were a man who didn't live up to your draft choice. You're a man who wanted to wear number 56.

And by the way, your idol, number 56, has introduced Donald Trump numerously. times. So I don't want to hear this. So he made another just boneheaded error by going to social media. Uh, yo, okay, this is the deal. If Abdul Carter not a man, tell him to his fucking face, he's not a man. That's the first thing. Y'all know that I don't get into all of these projuratives and these mandingo fights and these dick measuring contests and all of that stuff. That shit is fucking useless. That is useless unless you're going to fucking fight.

But unless you go when you start talking like that like he's not a man, no. To me, and look, I saw a picture of the Giants locker room. It looked like they figured things out or whatever. To me, being a man is saying that like the locker room or the sanctity of the NFL is not as important

as the freedom and voting rights of my people. And there are things that mean more to me than that. That's being a man, knowing that there are going to be people like Boomer Osceison that question your manhood over asserting what you believe to be. And he didn't even do anything that was light. It's like that got to be AI. Maybe he's saying there's a difference between voting someone or going or not going to the White House and doing what Jackson Dart did, which is becoming a part of the MAGA political experiment. That is what Jackson Dart did. Jackson DART has now made the New York Giants a MAGA team.

When Jackson DART does well, President Trump will come out and say, hey, look, the New York Giants, MAGA's team have done well. The New York Giants are now MAGAS team because their leader and their face, their quarterback, didn't just vote for Donald Trump. He introduced Donald Trump at a rally. He became a part of their political experiment. And you don't have to fucking like that. If you're Abdul Carter or anybody else,

you don't have to like that. You don't have to surrender what you think is right, what you think is appropriate, what you think is civil for the fact of your fucking locker room. You don't. Football is not more important than whether or not niggas can vote. Right.

And so, like, to me, when I hear Bumer Osiasen come back and say, there's only one man on the phone, who the fuck you think you're talking to? Like, why would you, like, just put a boy or a nigger at the end of that. Exactly. That's what I heard.

Like just go for it. There's only one man on the phone. Like, no, whatever's going on. The man is the one that went, hey, my QB did something like that. And I don't have to like that. I'm going to say something. I encourage all of these people wherever you are. If you have the latitude to speak up or at least make your displeasure known,

you are doing no one any favors by not doing so. Because if he didn't think you were a man before you made the tweet, He was not going to think you're a man unless you do exactly what he wants you to do and that is the central trick of white supremacy. You are worth it. You are a man. You are a citizen as long as you act in the way that we deem that you act. Yeah.

He basically told him to shut up and go back into the locker room. Okay, boomer. So it's okay for Jackson Dart who really, hasn't proven much as an athlete on the field to go out and align himself with President Trump, which I don't, you can't, President Trump is the most controversial president of our lifetime. And that is very obvious. So for you to water that down and try to say like, oh, you know, you have Obama here or whatever. No, you are making a statement at this point where we sit right now in May of 2026 when it comes to doing something that aligns yourself with Trump. This isn't going to

the White House, which I still disagree with, because you won the Super Bowl. This is you introducing him, which is an endorsement. That is a statement. It says a lot. So why is it okay for Jackson Dart to do that out loud and do what he wants? But Abdul cannot out loud express what he wants to on his social media feed. It's okay for him, but not for you. And the fact that he then proceeds to start naming all these things that he feels are controversial that Abdul Carter has done.

and he's like, you need to go back and focus on that rather than doing this, lets you know exactly how he deems one athlete versus the other. And there really is one glaring difference when it comes to it. We talked about privilege earlier. This is again, boomer showing exactly who he is when it comes to his privilege and how he views one athlete versus the other, how there is grace for one and there is nothing given to the other. And the fat audacity for him to even be able to fix his mouth,

to reprimand Abdul Carter, who's a grown man playing in this league and tell him what he better be doing. What he needs to be doing is so problematic. I think this should be getting more attention than it actually is. But maybe nobody listens to Boomer on the radio. Everybody has the right to have the political opinion that they want. I don't have a problem with people going, this is who I am. I legitimately don't.

I have a problem with... I don't hear it because I want to know. I have a problem with the policy. I have a problem with the execution of said policy. I have a problem with the political direction. So I don't have an issue with that. You want to go and be a part of it. I'm certainly not going to get in anybody's face

for introducing any candidates that I agree with. I'm not going to. But remember, candidates to me aren't people. they are a subset of policies and leadership qualities. I'm not judging a candidate based on any morality. I'm judging a candidate based upon whether or not I believe that what they do works for people. Now, I might make a moral judgment on what I think should work for people, meaning it's a moral judgment to me around health care, around housing. These are things that if you don't think that these are human rights to people, I look at you as a little immoral.

I don't look at you as a humanist, right? I think that people should have the ability to go to the doctor, to have a place to live. I think that people should have the freedom of movement. I think we have a moral obligation to provide those things. But I try to keep morality out of politics because they're not people. There's no one in my estimation who's moral enough for leadership. That's not a concern of mine. I think people are people.

and leadership should be about why you want to do something. It's moment as I say that. So I have a problem with Jackson Dart doing that. I really don't. I have a problem with the fact that we can't say we don't like it. Correct. That his teammates, he can go do something publicly, can go espouse something publicly,

endorse something publicly, and the rest of the guys in the locker room to be men, and have to be mute about it. Gotta just take it. Man, y'all, if y'all can hear me, y'all don't got to do that shit. Y'all don't have to do that shit. Y'all don't have to be quiet for your fucking locker room.

Y'all don't have to be quiet for your fucking team, for your coaches, for your teammate. Y'all don't have to be quiet for none of that. That quiet shit ain't done nothing for you. Nothing. Nothing. These people only give a fuck about you when you rush in the quarterback. Don't go for that okey-dote.

which is another reason getting out of this situation while we should not have allowed them to mute Colin Kaepernick. I'm sorry, more Kyle Bell because that's essentially what they did. Colin Kaepernick came out and he said stuff and he started stuff and they said, guess what, nigga, not from you, not now. We don't want to hear it the culture in this game is bigger than you. Then they took his livelihood, shoved him to the back of the fucking bus.

He's still doing great. But I'm saying this is the project. of cultural strangleholds like the NFL. Nothing is more important than the game. That doesn't seem true for Jackson Dart. Correct. Because he certainly didn't give a fuck about what it was going to do to his locker room. I bet he didn't fucking call Abdul Carter or anybody else in there

before he made the decision to go do that. Correct. So why the fuck should any of you guys care about that? You shouldn't. That's the same capitalist shackle that has been used to put around your neck and your goddamn hands and feet since you got here. Let's talk about Ray J. Yeah, he was hospitalized after getting knocked out in Vegas.

A celebrity MMA fight against Internet personality, Super Hot Fire at Aden Ross's Brand Risk 14 event. The fight was very quick. Super Hot Fire landed a right-handed punch that sent Ray J. Stumbling into the ropes before collapsing into the canvas. The incident sparked concern because Ray J. has publicly discussed his ongoing health issues earlier this year, which we talked about. Sources close to Ray J. said that medical staff were also concerned about his slow heart rate following the knockout,

and they were investigating whether or not he suffered a concussion in the fight. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. What is there to say, Van? I mean, there's a couple of things, I guess. I mean, this is so... The thing speaks for itself. I mean, somebody before the fight, someone even asked was a press conference. Somebody even asked Ray J, like, aren't you supposed to be sick? And he was like, yeah. And like, we've tiptoed around it because I'm not here to question somebody's medical health. I don't know.

We'll never know particularly what Ray J is or is not suffering from. But what I do know is you publicly came out and said that your heart is pumping at 25%. Why in the world are you subjecting yourself? to a, he didn't say MMA Fed, like in his press conference, he was like, we're gonna do it all. We choking, we hit and we kick and we're doing all of this to where you don't know what the outcome is gonna be. And then you're doing it for Aiden Ross.

Tough. And we know how that I feel about that. So how am I supposed to take you seriously, which I don't, how am I supposed to take your fighting career seriously, which you claim you weren't able to fully commit yourself to, when I was about to imitate it, but I'm not. How he was fighting. The knockout?

No, no, no, not the knockout. That's been me. You didn't see him when he was running up to him like this? Yeah. Do you box? Is that how you do it? Look, I'm going to be honest with you. If I came up to you, just start a fight, say, hey, you ready?

Yeah. I'm going to be honest with you. Stand up. Okay. So I'm going to be honest with you. this because I sound so stupid just having as many rounds as I've had in my life

anybody that would be willing to fight in front of a bunch of people actually under the lights I kind of respect it like anybody like you guys you put hair gear on you get in the ring you sparring against somebody that you know from the gym or somebody that you don't know you are

it is getting there is one thing to go in there and train it's another thing to put your fucking gloves on and going in and actually fight. So I always try to like stop short of giving too much criticism to someone that in front of an entire watching public both on television and in an arena under them fucking lights.

Because I didn't see homies from the gym that's wizards in the gym. Go under them lights and fight. And if you do that, I kind of respect it. I'll say this though. Why is Regie doing this? Hell thing aside

Ray J I'll be honest with you Ray J made more money with his dick than most rappers made from their raps like the sex tape alone

Ray J had been making money and being on TV and stuff like that since I was in the 10th fucking grade from movies to singles to sex tapes to all of that stuff

why on God's green earth is Ray J in the ring at damn near 50 years old under the lights. He's 46. We're the same age. He's 45 maybe. So maybe in his mid-40s,

throwing punches with people. Why would he be doing that? And when I look at lessons, I'm like, that's the shit that I look at. I don't want to be in any way needing or even wanting to be in that situation. I don't know what's going on

with the brand risk shit and all of that stuff. Ray J. seemed to assert or allege some things after that. The fighting part of it, it's like I can't really hate on it because it's such a ballsy move for people to do it. But why is Ray J doing it? With everything that we know about his health and with the long list of things that he's done,

indoor pool, outdoor pool, Ray J got the May box and all of that stuff, why the fuck is Ray J doing this in his mid-40s? So you talking about the respect you have for people who get in the arena and fight and you box and you spar and you've done all that and you go and you know that sport,

I think those people would be highly offended if you compared that, what they do fighting to this. This was not a fight. This was a fucking spectacle. I know more about Ray J than I ever want to know. And I've had a fuck enough.

I really have when it comes to Ray J. I don't want to know anything else. I want to take some of the, like I said, the medical stuff, we took it seriously when you said it, then you out here in a, what even appears to be a rigged fight because you got mad at the person

that you were fighting, super hot fire, you got mad at him because apparently he didn't stick to the plan. Your friends are courtside, ringside, I'm sorry, laughing at you. Chris Brown could not even talk. He was laughing so hard.

Like, what are we doing here? And then now that we get pictures of you in the hospital. And then the latest thing that comes out is you're upset because Aiden Ross hasn't reached out to you. He got exactly what he wanted out of it. Why he didn't reach out? He made money and he got you to dance for him in a ring.

And now you're the laughing stocking and he got paid. What are we doing? Enough. Yeah, I can't. Enough. Don't you dare say you respect what he did there. I respect. I respect people.

I respect people getting in the ring. I do. Because I respect it because it's so many people that talk so much shit. But if you really put, you know, I don't know much about the MMA, but if you them in headgear put gloves on them, they wouldn't get in there and get busy with you. But this was a rigged fight. Well, whatever. It didn't look rigged to me.

It looked like the nigga went to sleep. Well, that he went off script. Yeah, it looked like the nigga went to sleep to me. Pinda Don was like, what's that on your fucking hand? He was funny. He's very funny. It's hilarious. Like, but it didn't look rigged to me.

I just wonder why Ray J. If he had like, you know, I've been training for a long time and I wanted to always try this and blah, blah, blah. I don't know if anyone asked him these questions, but man, it's estimated that Ray J made upwards of $15 million alone off the sex tape with him alone he just got hit off a couple of years ago according to reports

with $6 million just for silence just so he wouldn't talk about it anymore well people blow their money I mean Spencer Pratt spent a million dollars on crystal because he thought the world was ending according to the Mayan calendar so like people people lose their money 2012 I remember I thought that for a second

You ever see the end of Apocalyptic? I love that movie. You've seen the end of it? Yeah. I can't believe you've seen that. How the fuck have you seen that? I've seen it so many times. Are you an insane person?

So you mean to tell me you've never fucking seen back to the future. You've never seen back to the future. No, no, I don't want to hear it now. You've never seen back to the future. And you don't watch. You don't know who Marty McFly is. You have no idea who Darth Vader is. Luke Skywalker.

You don't know any of these people. But you've seen Apocalyptic. a bunch of times. Is it not a good movie? Okay. Well, I mean, yeah. To me. It's got all kinds of problems with it,

but the last scene of Apocalyptic is this chilling scene where, you know, he makes it out to the end, he survived, and when he gets to the beach, he sees that the conquis the doors are coming, Spanish are coming. I am Jaguar Paul. That's what it was.

Yeah. So he's like, so Jaguar Paul now, whatever. I just wonder if this is happening to me in actual real life to where generationally, we've made it out of the wilderness and now there's new conquisadors,

younger ones, the Aidan Rosses, the fucking Theo Vons, all of these people that are just coming, like, even if you beat the waves of people that were there before, you beat all the record company people, you beat all of them. As long as you're running through the jungle, it's going to be somebody there.

You're going to run to ships that are. You got to get out the jungle. You got to get out the jungle. That's what I made. Ray J, man. I'm still a Ray Jutter. I don't even know what that means. I'm still a Ray J truther.

I'm still. Ray J has just done a lot. Maybe they've been around. A lot of people have done a lot of stuff. That doesn't mean that it was meaningful. Do you know who Ray J is? Ray J is Bizarro Jason Weaver. No, don't do Jason Weaver like that.

Let me tell you why. Both Jason Weaver and Ray J have been able to stay along for a long, long time, and consistently give us stuff. It's just that the stuff that Jason Weaver has given us, has been super wholesome and the stuff that RayJ has given us has not been.

That's the difference. Who's your bizarro person? It's a good question. I don't think I'm big enough to have a bizarre old bizarre person. I need to do a couple of more things. But like, bizarreo Jason Weaver is Ray J. Ray J is the bizarre old version.

Jason Weaver, think about this. No. Just think about it. Jason Weaver got on young Michael Jackson. Ray Jay got on. Moisha's illegitimate brother. Look at that. Bizarro.

Jason Weaver gets on musically, Chingi. One call away. You know, just in the video chilling. Ray J. Wait a minute. Tupac thing. Remember little Ken?

I'm the little one and it's not by a while. What is she talking about? You know, think about it. Jason Weaver gets on drumline. He's in college. He's doing all of that stuff. Ray J. at that same time

for the love of Ray J. We're already into the reality shows and the sex tapes. They're both staying around for decades upon decades upon decades. One is wholesome. The other one is the bad boy. That's what is bizarre version of it.

But I got love for the staying power, man. I got love for the staying power. Right now, Jason Weaver makes all of the right cultural decisions. Ray J. Magashit. Rai J. Rai J is Bizarro Jason Weaver or Jason Weaver is wholesome Ray J.

Ray J is your Spencer Pratt. Now let's go. Let's get out of you. Nah, he's actually my Billy Bush. Don't throw me in it by myself. Don't get by, don't play with me. All right. Think Caps off, but do not stop learning.

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