Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Kid Cudi Takes the Stand, and the Fight for Reparations With Jessica Ann Mitchell Aiwuyor

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

Van and Rachel discuss a wholesome TikTok trend (10:50) before reacting to the death of a member of Congress (14:15), and giving an update on the RGIII vs. Ryan Clark drama (20:06). Then reparationist Jessica Ann Mitchell Aiwuyor joins to dig into Maryland Governor Wes Moore’s veto of a reparations bill (29:40). Plus, Kid Cudi takes the witness stand in the Diddy trial (57:22), humanitarian efforts are stalled in Gaza (1:11:21), and director David O. Russell gets accused of using the n-word on set (1:27:19). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Jessica Ann Mitchell Aiwuyor Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, y'all thought warriors. What is up? Her learning is on, is Ivan Lacey Jr. And it's me, Rachel Lynn Lindsay. The Brownsters here. I'm back. Brown's back. Brownie is exploring the studio right now.

Yeah, he's a curious little thing. Getting around him. He just needs to find him from the spot so you can get home. Rachel, you've been listening to Feen lately, the record? I mean, I did when it came out years ago. I don't think it was years. Was it years? Was it last year?

Donnie, what did the fiend? come out. Look that up. By the way, just to let you guys know, 2020. 2023. So that is years. Just to let you guys know, when we ask for something to be looked up, could you please look it up?

Because I've asked for things to be looked up on the podcast and then they just go by the wayside and nobody looks them up. Okay? Is that a possibility that we... Sometimes the subject keeps moving. Like, we end up moving on something. And then the way the conversations go, it will progress. And move on to something else.

And it's like, well, we got to keep the train moving. We don't want to, you know, go back to something that we have moved on from. So. You better defend yourself, Donnie. It's funny. It's funny the way Rachel does. Here you goes. It's our faces on the podcast.

Go ahead. Stuff looked up. Poor pitiful van. It's not poor pitiful. It's actually, you know what? Fuck it. Watch. I'm going to stop caring.

We're going to see how things go when I stop caring. Fuck it. Do whatever you want. Donnie, like, you know what? We're going to see how things go when I stop caring. Don't look this shit up. This is also not the first go-around we've had of the, I don't, let's do things about it. We're going to, fuck it, Donnie.

You're right. Fuck it. Like, that's my new fiend. Feeing, fuck it, man. I need a lower dirt. Feeing, fuck it, van. Fuck it. Fuck it.

What we got on the show? show today. I don't know. We'll just shoot the shit. I like the Feene energy, though. I'm not bad at it. That Feene song gets me going. I made a mistake and listened to it this morning. I made a mistake. It's not for you. It's not. It's not for you. I felt like a... Because have you seen him perform it? People go berserk insane. And that's what it calls for you to do. Fing, show me what you do.

It's like a shot. It's like, I don't know what's growing with that. I feel like a vampire when that song comes on. Like, that's what black vampires are listening to. Well, Playboy Cardi. Playboy Cardi vampire. I mean, it's Travis's song, but you bring out the Playboy Cardi in it. I fuck with Playboy Cardi, man.

I don't know why. I don't either. Not new. Maybe when he started, but the progression isn't for me. I like it. It's like, I can't understand the music. But I think that black kids need the freedom to be vampires. I think you like it because it gives you permission to lose it.

True. And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's almost like a release. You know, it's like screaming into a pillow energy. That's what it gives. Gino's son, sigh. Is that the one that's with B.L's above? Okay, so, first of all, hold on for a second. Don't do my nephew like that.

You're not with him. You're the one who revealed it to the thought warrior. He's not with. I don't think he's with. I don't think he's a devil worship. He's not with Bub. He's not with Bub anymore. Sy, I want to,

he's a rapper, right? I got to call my nephew real quick. He's a rapper? He's a rapper. He's a rapper. What's his name? Bub. Like, Hallie, like, I gotta call Cy real quick.

I got to call Cy. Let's see if he picks a phone up. I did. Si, bro, you're on the podcast, bro. What are you doing? Like, Sy. Sy. Yeah, you're on a podcast right now.

What's your opinion of Playboy Cardi? Cardi is the goat. He's the goat. Why? Why? Love the name's Cy, by the way. He runs the youth right now. Anybody that runs the youth,

obviously they're doing something right because the youth runs music. So obviously, he's doing something right. When you say he runs the youth, that sounds concerning. It sounds cultish. It is cultish because he's a cultish. That's the type of artist he is.

But we don't even understand what he's saying. Zah, give us a rap real quick. A rap? Yeah, bust some, bus it, bust a flow. What's your rap name? Oh, yeah, what's your rap name again so they can go follow you? Sve A, A, Lee, you can follow me at 6800. On Instagram.

666? Hold on. H-A-I-L-E-I on all-platform. Oh, okay. On all-ploid? He was ready. He was ready. That's what I'm talking about.

But when you say 6-8, it's not 6-66, though, right? You're good. You're not with the devil no more. I never was. Don't, no, don't let him, don't believe nothing here. Why would he say that? Don't believe a height. That's not height.

So, but there was some talk, Si, that on the internet that you were with the devil. That's not true, though. I told people that's not true. Oh, it's all marketing. It's all marketing. I'm like, I'm not, I love God. There you go. There you go.

That's my nephew right there. That's my nephew right there. I'm autistic. Yeah. Yeah. That's so, so look, we're going to start playing your music on the show. I'm serious. If we, if we have your permission, we're going to start playing your music on the show.

I can sing you a song right now. Send it. Yeah, send us a record. Tell us a record. An exclusive, a new release? I promise you don't like it. Okay. Are we going to be able to understand it?

It's not like suicide music, is it? I don't want to hear no unalive and shit. No, I'm depressed. It's more like Fien, because if it's like Fien, I can get into it. Yeah, I'm singing. I'm singing, okay. It's really awesome, like, the beat kind of dude. Like, the beat like, really ambient.

It's the future. Okay, well, send it over and then we're gonna play it, all right? I did. I just did. Damn, this nigga ready for the, okay. He's just like his daddy. This is just like James. like Gino, Gino would be like, hey, we got a music group.

You're like, yeah, Gino, like, here's three CDs right here, listen to him. I was born for this. You know that, huh? Yeah, all right, now. I love you. I'll call you later. Is that Rachel? Hi.

Rachel. Yeah, that's Rachel. Hey, Rachel. Hi, Sy. Nice to meet you. I'm going to meet you in person one day. For sure. One day song.

Coming out. What is? What is? What are you doing right now? I would love that. Are you trying to, sigh, are you? What is. Are you trying to?

Are you? Are you trying to. Are you trying to... Don't worry about that. I worry about that. I like it. I like it. He's what, 20, would you, 23?

23 the other day. Happy birthday, niggas. Stay a kid for a little while longer. Like, mind you, man. I'm going to call you later. Bye. Just like his daddy. What the fuck?

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You've seen that? Because West is Caribbean. Yeah. I mean, he was born here, but his people are from the Caribbean. Yeah. So it's bringing that talk like, you know, of course he did type situation. I think there are expectations of him as a black governor. But yeah, you know what?

I am curious to what she's going to say because this type of bill, reparations bill, it's not the first time it has come up in states and it has moved forward in other states, yet he vetoed it in other blue states. So I'm going to get into it. Case you guys don't know, we're talking about the fact that there was a bill on the floor

in Maryland for a reparation study. And it has been vetoed by the governor now. Here's the deal, Governor Westmore and Maryland. Black governor. Black governor. Somebody who they also think is the future of the party. Could be a future of the party. We assume that the thought warriors know who Westmore is, but that's very important to say it's black governor. But here's a deal.

The deal is that Westmore is saying that, look, there's been enough studies. It's time to advance the reparations cause past the study. And there are some people that are saying that that is actually a red herring for him not to get behind this. so that his chances in 28 are better. And because reparations is, and it's just important to say this, it's an unpopular political issue on both sides of the aisle. The only people that want reparations are black people.

And then it's certain black people. To me, it's only the black people who actually... I agree with that. Yeah. So, like, the reparations movement is gaining steam. Don't get me wrong. And that has never not been mainstream. reparations as an issue has been around for years and years and years and years, but the internet

helps people hyperfixate on something and making a talking point. And so it is now. And if you seemingly are black and against it, it says something about you. I do want to say this. It is my understanding, and I was just looking at this up again, that he's not saying we need to move forward on reparations. He's saying we need to focus on other racial disparities in other systems. I'm not, from what I'm seeing, he's like, there are other things to focus on and other things to prioritize and other types of legislation to help racial disparity in the state of Maryland, not let's move the conversation forward on reparations. Not holding any water for the governor.

What I'm saying is that initially what was said was, what came out of it was, this is a study that then studies it. And then after the study, you know, seemingly there would be some action on the other end of that. And he was saying, we don't need any more studies. Let's move forward. We're not even let's move forward. We don't need another study about reparations. We know that we need it.

I don't even need to know if he's saying we know that we need it. And maybe that's the issue. That's the point of convention. All right. So we'll get into that a little bit later with the guests. But before we do any of this stuff, we already like 15 minutes into the show, we fucked around enough quick hitters. Yeah, first quick hitter.

We were talking about the youth. TikTok is the youth. There's a trend going on on TikTok. Van, have you ever called any members? of the player-proof. Oh, I love this. Good night. Sweet dreams.

No, but I'm going to start. Do it. Oh, you can't do it right now. It's too early. It is so funny. Hey, hold on. Should I call Ryan and just tell them good morning? Yeah, I just call to say good morning.

Because here's the thing. The difference between white and black people couldn't, is what you would expect. Right. Hold on. Let's see what happens. We call it Ryan live. We can't say. Ryan is going to say it, though.

Like Ryan is. I can say good night, but we can say good morning. Now, I can't promise that Ryan not going to say some wild shit. It's also the afternoon. It's also the afternoon. Yeah. And Austin, let's see. It's still like 11.

He's going to pick up. He's probably at work. Hello. Yeah, what's up, G? What's going on? What's on, man? I just wanted to call and, you know, tell you good morning. Hope you have a really good day.

I was thinking about you. I just wanted to tell you good morning. Hey, bro. I already saw the video. But wait, Ryan. I was actually about to send it to the group text the other day, so you ain't about to give me what day. Ryan, hi, Ryan, it's Rachel.

What would you, how would you have responded? Honestly. If Van had called you and said good night, just want to say good night, sweet dreams. You know, it'd be weird. Like, why are you, why the fuck you're you calling me to tell me good night? Yeah. You wouldn't be concerned?

It's just not the dynamic of the friendship that we've had for almost 40 years. So, like, you know, like, why all of a sudden would you be calling me trying to tell me good night? Well, I'm telling you good night right now, bro. All right, I'm going to hit you back. All right. I actually think this is, I love this trend. I love this trend. I think it's fun.

And I also think it shows. it's just a lot of people are going to look at it and be like it shows that there's something that you know whatever whatever but I think there's something about the trend that's wholesome that kind of shows the I don't know the connection that black male friendship is yeah it's I can see how someone would be like oh you know like try to find something toxic but I would argue

and push back and say even when they're like, when they call it, when the black friends call their other black friends and they're like, what the fuck is wrong with you? There's still a level of concern.

Right. There's still, it's not like, hey, is everything okay? They're still like, yo, are you,

like, what's good? Right. And of all the ones I, and it always ends in love. It's always like, hey, man, what you do,

you know? Except for the one guy who's, I don't know if you saw, he was like, man, where's the red button on this phone? Yeah.

I'll go up in this baby. I love this shit so much. All right, Donnie. From something wholesome to something macabre. What's going on? Yeah. Virginia Representative Jerry Connolly passed away at the age of 75. This is a few weeks after he announced that his esophageal cancer had returned despite treatments.

His family released a statement. They said that it is with immense sadness that we share that I devoted and loving father, husband, brother, friend, and public servant, Congressman Gerald E. Connolly passed away peacefully at his home this morning. surrounded by family. Like I said, he was 75. Third House Democrat to pass away since March. And the fifth one to pass away in the last 10 months.

Is this a function of a subject that we've talked about here a little bit, which is the advanced age of the people in our politics? Or is they just catching a bad run? There's something going on. Is this a fucking John Grisham novel? I think it's a mix of both.

It's not a John Grisham novel, but I definitely think it's a mix of both. And it should be a wake-up call, not just for the Democrats, for just political leaders, period. I mean, you can't speak to somebody there being a tragedy and a sudden death, but for someone, you know,

unfortunately like Jerry Connolly, this is, you know, you've had cancer before, you're 75 years old. I'm not saying that it would come back again, but it's almost like, pass the torch, enjoy in your 70. You know what I mean?

Enjoy. not trying to retire people to push people out, but in a position like this, we just need to keep having. We've had this conversation here, obviously, a number of times, pass it on to someone young. And even when you think about this, when you look at the years that these people have held office, 30 years, 22 years, 16 years, you got it much younger as well. So why would you not pass it off to somebody who was similar in age to you when you joined? Why are you still holding on to it. There was something else I was going to say about that, two-sided. Okay, tell me if this is wrong. You know when you take a driving test? Yeah. And like you get a certain age and you have to like,

for your eyes, you have to take tests and you have to, I don't know if you have to get in the car again after a certain age. Okay, wait. When I was in kid, when I was a kid in my government class, we had to propose a bill. And so I might be mixing this up. This was a bill that I proposed. Which was? When you reach a certain age, you need to have to take your driving test every two years. Okay. And it's not discriminatory. I'm not an ageist by any means, but obviously the older you get, certain senses decline. Were you able to show data that proves that older drivers?

I was like fifth grade. Well, what I'm saying is, go back to something, what I'm saying is, if you're going to propose a bill, right, then what I would think is that you would need to show compelling data. You're right. that older drivers in some way propose a very specific. These were just to get the ideas going. But you're right. And obviously I would have to do that to convince people to try to vote for this legislation. I'm trying to move forward.

But my point is, is what if something like that was implemented politically? Look, I agree. I just say. However, you know, in this case, we are talking about people who this, Connolly had cancer. Sylvester Turner who also passed away had cancer so we're talking about a disease that strikes people of all ages

you can get cancer at any age get cancer at 35 and get cancer at 45 and get cancer at 55 obviously we all know people in our lives who have been affected by it yeah but look the older you get the more you're going to be susceptible

to these types of things I think what people want what I want I can't speak for people. I do that too much. I think what I want is to know that these congresspeople and these particular democratic operatives that they care about the function of their political machine as much as they care about their own careers. I think we talked about that the last time. This is obviously very sad. The gentleman also had a leadership position. He had announced that he was going to step down from his leadership position as a top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee. Now, he won that leadership position over AOC.

And so, once again, you see someone who's a little bit more entrenched in leadership and a new generation wasn't able to ascend. When I was in Lansdown, Maryland, talking with the Democrats, when I was in Lansdown, I talked to a lot of Junstown. your congresspeople. And there is a clear schism between the stars

and the non-stars and between those in leadership and those non-leaders like in the party in the caucus. Because I have people asking to come on

higher learning and they were like, hey, we come on higher learning. I'm sure you can come on higher learning. It's like, you're sure you don't just

want the stars and the people in leadership? And I'm like, no, you're a congressperson. Like, you can come on higher learning. You come on the thing. but there are people in the Democratic caucus who feel like they don't have a voice

and they might be being, in some cases, purposefully, purposefully drowned out to maintain a leadership staff. Well, that's what I was going to say. Did they say that? I mean, they probably wouldn't, but I mean, what else? Why else would they feel like they didn't have a voice?

Your constituents aren't making you feel that way. They voted you in. So who is? This isn't on the quick hitters, but I do want to get into something real quick. when we covered Ryan Clark and RG3

we were still at the beginning of it and it ended up Oh my gosh, it's everywhere. Going even further. By the time we had recorded on Monday to get in the pot out on Tuesday, there were four or five new storylines that came up from it.

One storyline happening to be that I don't think that people knew that Ryan's daughter, his oldest daughter, was biracial. So this got really, really, really personal. And everybody jumped into this back and forth. I mean, you had the usual suspects in the Clay Travis's and the Dave Portnoy's, the Whitlocks. The Whitlocks. Everyone was kind of biting at this.

And it started with the foul on Caitlin Clark. In its totality, what is? did you think about the entire conversation and what it ended up, it ended up becoming like a black purity test? Do you feel like that that's where it was bound to go being that Ryan had the specific type of criticisms that he had of RG3? Did it end up in a tit for tat? Was there anything that we could take from it that was nutritious? I mean, I think that, and I shouldn't be surprised that people miss the point of what Ryan was trying to say and they held on to little pieces of it. You know, they held on to, you know, RG3 became, he's already, and I'm not trying to, he's already kind of a joke to

some people. You know, people like to say he's corny, he's lame, and, you know, people started digging up tweets and they held onto the milk thing. You know, we talked about it here. So I think people were hanging on to bits and pieces and not understanding as a whole what it is that Ryan was trying to say, which is you have a pattern of being very critical to black women. I don't think you know how to talk about black women. from how you've talked about it before. And some of the reasons why are these reasons. And I think that's really what he was trying to say.

And it just took a life of its own because when we had, I'm pretty sure when we had podcasts, I don't think RG3 had put out his video yet. That's what happened after. The second video. The second video where he came back and addressed Ryan Clark and said that. He did all, he had all the points. Right.

all the points to make himself a victim. How could you talk about my family? How could you talk about my children? His wife wasn't in the video that time. He called out ESPN. He knew exactly what he was doing with that to try to get a job that let him go and kept Orion or didn't renew his contract and Ryan. Ryan got his renewed. He called them out to take action against Ryan. He knew exactly what he was doing. And to me, he didn't address any of the points that Ryan was making. He basically cried in words. And so I just think that it's easy. When you name the usual suspects,

they love this kind of thing because they can hit the points or the beliefs or the opinions that they have and use a subject like this to do it, rather than actually trying to understand what Ryan was saying from the beginning. Yeah. First of all, I don't think that RG3, criticism of

Andrew Reese or his observation about Andrew Reese was a sports take. I don't think that it was. And it wasn't, and that was a great point. Yeah, I don't think that that was sports take. I think it was, hey, she hates this person. And you know, RG3 is an intelligent guy.

And so in context, he must know that if he's not talking about the actual file in it of itself, if he's not talking about stats, if he's not talking about strategy, box scores, whatever. That if he's talking about a personal feeling that he believes that Angel Reese has for

Caitlin Clark, then there's going to be a very specific criticism that's going to come along with that of Angel Reese. I think he conflated it, right? Because he gave a personal opinion, but he backed that opinion up with basketball examples. So he's saying, therefore, this is a basketball take, which is. not true. If he had just said, you know, they're very physical with one another on

the court, and this is why. Even if he would have been like, what is it? Because this file doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal. This file doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal.

Is there actually something more? But that's not what he said. He said, she hates her. She hates her. And even throwing around the word hate, a situation where there is a racial dynamic is incendiary to it. He doesn't understand that. Right. And that's the point.

Well, here's the deal. And then, you know, we get into the back and forth. It's like, you talked about my family, you talked about this, you talked about that, you did all this. And I would say that Ryan simply did the same thing to RG3, that RG3 did to Andrews. He says, you're in this situation. And this situation makes you respond and react to issues surrounding race and surrounding culture in this specific way. And so what's good for the goose is, I guess, good for the gander. And then we have sort of a conversation back and forth about who's the purest black voice in order to bring these issues up and talk about these issues.

Yeah, no, I agree with you. But it also is. And then you were fighting on my Twitter. I'm so, I am. Why did you do that? I know. It was late. It was late.

I was in a mood and I just did not need to see that in that moment. When I see you fighting with somebody on the Twitter and then he comes. back at you. What do you want me to do in that situation? Oh, I didn't expect anything from you. But like, but he, you tell him the fuck all the way out. So some guy on Twitter legitimately, some

Twitter follower said in multiple tweets. Yeah, said that he that Rachel shouldn't be talking about this either because you were married to Brian. That Rachel... So I lose all of my blackness because I'm married, which again, isn't the point

which is what they were trying to do to Ryan. How dare you talk about somebody's situation when you have a child with someone who wasn't black? And I am so sick of that stupid argument of you lose your ability to be black when you connect yourself to somebody who is not black. And that's basically what he said. And it was just like he called me at a time where I saw it. I was probably drinking. I can't remember what time it was. I wasn't in the mood

and I just and the fact that he was soliciting you to like agree with him really and obviously you don't but it just made me even more annoyed it wasn't a comment under a YouTube video or social media post it was hey van do this

and I was like you can fuck all the way off and kiss my black ass because I am black and it's not like I'm you know obviously I'm past that people see these kind of things all the time but it just struck a nerve in that moment. I was so annoyed by that.

Yeah. No, but you didn't have to say anything. Because I'm like, okay, well, she told him to fuck off. He says, he calls her. He calls you a fuck nigga. I'm like, I want to be like, hey, don't talk to her like that. But then, and then at the same time, I don't want to, like, step in like I'm the big brother. No, he wants a response from you.

So I think you're handling it just fine. But I don't like when people, it don't matter if you, I'm like not an equal opportunity type of guy. It doesn't matter what you say. You could hit somebody and if they hit you back, I'm going to be like, don't touch her. You know what I mean? So it's just weird. But yeah, so I don't know. I don't know what the conversation about who's allowed to talk and who's not allowed to talk where that goes. But nobody, that's the thing too. Nobody is saying RG3 can't talk.

It's the way he's talking and what Ryan is saying, your lack of understanding the dynamics, the situation, the experience of black women. You don't get it. You aren't trying to get it. And let me give you examples as to how I know that this is the case. And RG3 got his feelings hurt. And that's really what it comes down to.

Nobody's taking away his blackness. He's doing that all by himself, by, as I said before, constantly centering whiteness in his life. And the only way we really talk about RG3, which I know this is why he did this as well, is because is when he attaches color to it. Otherwise, we're not. Let's put in our guest.

Jessica Ann Mitchell, I. Warrior is about to join us on higher learning. We're going to have a conversation about reparations, reparationists, multicultural. She's a reparationist and multicultural communication specialist, founder of the National Black Cultural Information Trust, commissioner of the National African American Reparations Committee. also a member of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America in Cobra, and is a member of hashtag Case for Reparations Advisory Committee,

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While I appreciate the work that went into this legislation, I strongly believe now is not the time for another study. Now is the time for continued action that delivers results for the people that we serve. Jessica, this was looked at at two different ways. The first way, or not the first way, one way was that people looked at this as him saying no to advancing the cause of reparations in this state. The second way was people saying that he is over empty procedure that goes into this, and wants to see some actions on it rather than a study. For somebody who's devoted their life to reparations, and it's a large part of what it is they do,

how did you look at it? I think the confusion is around study. I think that's what it is, not necessarily on the part of the governor, but on the part of the public. So when people hear study, I think that there's this connotation that people think we're just going to put

pick up some old books on slavery and read it. If I was to rename what this process is, I would call it a reparations accountability commission. Because that's what it actually is. When you have these types of commissions, like the one that passed the Maryland General Assembly and was supported by the Maryland Legislative Black Caucus, this is an opportunity to hold our local government accountable for the harms that it has contributed to over the last few centuries. So when there's a commission, here's what happens. First of all, there's five international standards of repair. There's compensation, satisfaction, satisfaction, guarantees of non-repletition,

rehabilitation, and restitution. And that is established through a type of process. So first of all, look at slavery as a crime against humanity. What happens when a crime takes place? There's a trial, right? Right. So that's kind of what the commission is. So the commission or task force, whatever is called in various local jurisdictions, it includes studies, it includes research reports directly into the state's involvement in chattel slavery, Jim Crow, redlining, lynching, all of the things, right, specific to attaching that with a form of repair or compensation. And so what happens when you have a governor, oh, another thing that's a part of the process is witness statements. We have the public, giving, participating in public hearings, all of the

things that includes community in the process while also holding the government accountable. when the governor vetoed the bill, what ends up happening is, you know, he may be a champion of reparations. I'm not saying that he's anti-reparations, but what happens is we lose that accountability on the part of the government. Because at any time they could say, well, we have a budget deficit, so we can't get to this part of it right now. Or this is how we view reparations, but it doesn't include the community hearings or input or witness statements or. the direct research that's connected to the different forms of compensation that could be had. So when we have a bill and it becomes law, they are beholden to that law. They have to go forward with what I again would call a reparations accountability commission.

They have to get the experts in the room. They have to get the public involved. They have to research the records of what the state of Maryland did. That's what this really is. And so after speaking with a number of my colleagues, my comrades, like Dr. Joanne Braxton of the Braxton Institute, who's also a Lakeland descended, and Lakeland is a black community that was displaced, which is now College Park, Maryland. She is hoping that we could have some more conversations between the governor and the caucus and the community. there has to be something more to this because the commission is not an empty process.

This is literally like having an ongoing investigation into what was human trafficking in a criminal enterprise that is never really, we've never really dealt fully into the scope of it with the state of Maryland. And we've never delved into the scope of it in terms of compensation for that. When you say something more to it, what do you mean? So, for example, there may be a reason the governor isn't advancing this. There's other things that he could have done. Like, for example, he's known that this bill was coming through the pipeline for years.

This is not an over-the-night process. This took years to get here on the part of black Maryland legislators, allies in the community groups and advocacy groups that were pushing for this. Now, what he could have done was just not signed it, and it could have still went into law. But if he did that, then the government would still be beholden to go through the process. So the veto indicates perhaps there's other pressures that we don't know about. Maybe he's afraid that we won't get federal funding if our state is going through with a reparations

commission. We're not 100% sure what is the real reason behind this. Because another thing, when he says that, well, we don't need a study. We need to just get to the work at hand. He's been the governor since 2023. Nothing was stopping him from doing anything then. It's only now that we are on the precipice of having this become law

that now you want to say is slowing the process down. The process was never slowed down. Yeah, I mean, you literally just answered the question I was going to say because, you know, you pointed out, you quoted what he is saying, his reasoning for vetoing it, or he's, or he said there are other things to prioritize and address other systems that create racial disparity within our state. But it's from everything that you have said, it's one, this doesn't necessarily mean reparations are going to happen. It's just an advancement of understanding how this could move, you know, continue to move forward. And I know

that other states have had similar models like California, Illinois. And so, So I guess since you already answered that question I was going to ask, I'm curious as to, since this was modeled after similar measures in like California and Illinois, how has that impacted other states to where this would benefit a Maryland? Thank you for asking that question because that's a really, that's part of what's happening in our conversations right now among reparations, organizations, and activists. So all of this is modeled really after HR 40, which would be the federal legislation that would move us closer to reparations, the federal commission. But we see what we're dealing with in terms of our federal government right now. So activists are pushing for reparations in their local jurisdictions. And so we had California that had that amazing over 1,000 page harms report. That's another thing that comes out of commissions is harms reports that helps to determine compensation.

There's Illinois. There's New York. And what is happening right now is activists in other states have been pushing for their own commissions. And the governor's veto of that is actually giving the people that were against having those commissions some leeway to weasel their way out of it. because they can now say, well, the nation's only black governor, he vetoed it. And this is why. And we're going to do something. We can do something similar.

And it's just another way for them to evade accountability. It's not, I don't think that our governor is insincere. He may be very sincere in what he's doing, but it's definitely giving those persons who are insincere the ability to try to dodge the process. Right now, there are several other states and local jurisdictions. and cities that are where they have activists on the ground pushing for commissions right now that are very scared and upset at what has happened in Maryland because it could impact the work that they're doing where they live. Brass tax is the governor lying?

You're asking me? Yeah. I don't think the governor is lying. I think the governor is figuring out a way to evade. accountability that would the type of accountability that would be by law. So if he doesn't go through with the commission and he says, well, I have my own forms of reparations. We're going to do racial wealth gap. He's going to make a whole declaration on Juneteenth about the race, closing the racial wealth gap. Okay. And he's already uplifted home ownership and businesses and all of that.

tomorrow something could happen in this nation or something political could happen behind the scenes and then he could change his mind on whatever initiative they're working on and it wouldn't be illegal to do that because there's no entity or bill holding them accountable specific to reparations. So I don't think that the governor is lying per se. I think that we're not getting a whole truth and I think that this is a way for him to be able to navigate this terrain according to what works best for him politically. Let me ask it.

Okay, just real quick. Yeah, but to what end, though, I guess what I'm asking is there's, with these, with politicians, and I'm not asking you to get in his head, but I'm saying, is this a play for 2028? He is, we talked about that a little bit earlier. He's one of the bright shining stars in a Democratic Party who can make a presidential run. You mentioned that this could be about pressure from the Trump administration or the federal government if he goes through with this.

There are others in Maryland that are going to say that there's a budgetary concern here, that they simply can't afford this. But those weren't the answers that were given. The answers that were given was that it was actually less less. prudent to do another study and he's going to do something or wants to do something or want to see something more actionable done about reparations. You're seemingly saying that that doesn't make a lot of sense because that's not the way it works. Is it possible that he's ignorant to the potency of or the utility of these studies? Or is there a possibility that he killed this knowing full well that this is needed in order to advance the case for reparations.

And he made a very cogent and direct political decision. That's a possibility. I was just talking to some other activists this morning that raised the 2028 question. Is this about a potential presidential run in the future and not wanting to be beholden to being the person that brought reparations to Maryland because then maybe white. Americans might not want to vote. They're going to ask you about it when you're running. For sure.

Yeah. So that is a part of the questioning right now. People are really trying to figure it out overall. And one of the organizations really pushing for reparations in Maryland is the National Black Justice Coalition. I just wanted to uplift them in their work. They put out an entire statement that detailed the reasons why we do need this study. We do need a commission.

And again, this is not like some. something you're just opening up old textbooks. This is about literally reparations accountability. And without it, then we can't, we can't hold them accountable because it's not in the law. We could hold them accountable through our voices and through our protests and stuff like that. But if the bill is on the table and it becomes law, then they have to do the commission. They have to do the report. And the number one thing that is stated in the fiscal notes of the study of that bill was compensation. That's the number one thing. It's not slowing anything down. It's getting us further into the process. And I think that's what a lot of people that are

anti-reparations are afraid of. Because if that's the issue, you could have been did something. You could have been said, I'm working on reparations right now in 2023. It's 2025. Nothing was slowing you down then and certainly not this study. Yeah. I'm going to ask it a different way. So we won't say that is he lying because we don't we don't know but hearing you talk about, we don't know specifically, but hearing you talk about this bill and knowing that this has been worked on for years and years, I'm trying to find one negative aspect about this bill. Like how does it negatively impact anyone? Is there a negative aspect to this bill? Not that I can think of. And that's why.

The one that some people might say is, oh, we don't have it in the budget. And it's not a- And he didn't say that. Yeah, they would say something like that. But Maryland, they have the capability to pay for a commission or a study. That's not something that would be stopped. And that wasn't one of the reasons he brought up, like you said, Rachel. Can I ask you this too?

Let's just say he had not vetoed the bill and the bill is signed into law. how far away, and I don't even know if you can really answer this, from that bill to actual reparations? Like, would it still be years in the process? Because I'm trying to think if he didn't veto it and it went through, how close are you to actually getting any type of reparation for people in Maryland? I think it depends on the type of compensation and the type of repair. So, for example, if you look at California, when they finished theirs,

they have not distributed any type of cash payments, but they've went into passing several other laws that are a part of the reparative justice process. In terms of Maryland, the study was set to conclude in 2027. So then that's the two-year process of basically a trial of crimes against humanity in Maryland. and then it would have a slew of recommendations for our legislators to then come up with all these new bills that they can then make into law that would be a part of reparation. So it could include education, it could include housing, it could include land back for black communities that were displaced. And again, those are things that you actually don't really have to wait for the commission to end. on. So like, for example, in California, with Bruce's Beach, they were able to return that land with or without that commission. So that, again, the commission doesn't stop anything, but it helps to give this more robust point of view or understanding for the overall community to get repair,

including speaking with economists that go in and study the amount of people that were enslaved in Maryland, the amount of people that were displaced by Jim Pro, the amount of people that were lynched and contacting families, getting witness statements, all of those things. So it really just depends. It depends on if it's attached to a health care initiative or education or housing. Some of those things are easier to pass in the legislature than others. Of course, the biggest, biggest question is, when will people get cash payments? And that is something that a lot of people are interested in because that's when we hear reparations.

That's the big thing that people think. And to be honest, we don't have. have a core answer on how long that would take because it depends on our legislature and it depends on the political climate at the time. But we can for sure say that there are forms of reparative justice that would move forward immediately following the conclusion of the of the study and commission, but also simultaneously we could be working towards that as we continue to move forward as a state. Let's move away from the governor for a second. more into the question of reverations themselves

or itself in terms of what it means as as a theoretical political happening. Three questions. I'm willing to repeat them, but these are the three questions that I always want reparations experts

to answer for the audience. Who? How? why? Who gets the reparations? How these reparations are delivered to these people in what forms? And then why is it such an important issue and why is it such an important thing, something that you have put so much energy and time behind? Sure. So who gets the reparations is determined by the harm. Okay. So there are three errors of harm that many activists include within the reparations movement. The first error of harm is the transatlantic slave trade and chattel slavery. So the who there would be descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States. The second error of harm is Jim Crow. Jim Crow is a continuation of vestige of chattel slavery. and also a slew of discriminatory practices that would include descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States and some black immigrant groups that were here around the time of Jim Crow that might have also endured redlining or any other discriminatory laws that were passed at the time. So I'll pause you right there real quick just to flesh that out.

So my understanding is that there would be some black immigrant. groups, in your opinion, that would be entitled to reparations? Reparations for Jim Crow, yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay, there you go, okay, cool. I just wanted to, because that's a big point, that's a big point of contention, I'm sure. Yeah, I know, I know, it's a big contentious, it's a contentious conversation, but yes. Right. So, for example, if there was a community that was displaced or had redlining and then

local government decided to repair those communities, then usually that would be decided on proof of what would you call it, basically that they lived there. Right. Proof of residency. And so if they lived there and their home was taken away from them, whether or not they were a descendant of slavery in America at that time would not be relevant to that Jim Crow question of if their home was taken away from them. They would be included in the overall black community who was displaced.

Gotcha. Okay. Yes. And so then the third error of harm would be modern day systemic racism, where we are constantly impacted by the police state. And we have many different examples of that. We have the prison industrial complex. And we have ongoing systemic racism that is also a vestige of chattel slavery and a vestige of Jim Crow. And that would impact the overall black community. So that would include everybody in that third era of harm that is harmed by this police state and modern day systemic racism. And so those are the three errors of harm and that is the who. How? That's a big question. And the how it really is determined on what communities want. So the how, so the number one how that people always talk about is.

a cash payment, which is definitely what a lot of us want, including myself. But then there's other forms that can take place. There's people that have talked about baby bonds. They've talked about free college education. All of these things are the different types of how additional health care support. All of those things are the how. That usually goes through legislation that takes place either hopefully one day, on the federal level and also on the local level,

and also through various community groups and organizations that are working to make this happen. So I want to highlight here that reparations can happen outside of the government, but the government also plays a pivotal role because the government was an aggressor, was the key aggressor here. Okay. The why. one of the biggest anti-reparations talking points is, well, that was hundreds of years ago, or you don't need to get paid for something that you never experienced.

And reparations really are about the right now. It's about the past, the present, and the future. Everything that happened to our ancestors impacts us today. The reason why we even have the racial wealth gap is because many of our ancestors never got paid, for their labor. And then when they were freed, they were underpaid or they didn't have the same access or they weren't included in the GI bill or they didn't get a chance to get a higher education. So that impacts many of us today because a lot of times your income or your social class or your educational status is dependent on that of the parent. Well, somebody like my mama that comes

from people where her grandparents were sharecroppers, you know, that could have an impacts. I mean, luckily enough, we were able to, you know, attain other forms of higher education, but for many people, that was not the case. So the Y is, and another part of it is epigenetic harm. So all of that harm that went through with chattel slavery, the killings, the lynchings, the sexual abuse, that's passed down through us as a form of epigenetics. It's in our blood, literally, according to scientific proof that we are impacted by all of those harms that took place. So we would require additional health care assistance because of those epigenetic harms. So if it's impacting us today, what happened to our ancestors, what's impacting us is going to impact our kids and our future.

So the why is if we want a better America for all of us, then we need to get on board with reparations. and Reparatory Justice initiatives so that we no longer have a society of the have and the have-nots or a society that is continuing to run based off of the vestiges of chattel slavery. Last question for me. Do you feel like we're making real progress to achieving any of this, any sort of reparation?

We are. We definitely are. I want to uplift my comrade Robin Ruth Simmons out of Evanston, Illinois. She was the older woman that helped to push for reparations in Evanston, and they are getting cash payments as we speak in Evanston. I believe up to $10,000, it could be more per person or family, depending on those that were displaced at that time or that experienced housing discrimination. The legislation that took place in California was very pivotal. The task force, calm report was pivotal. They're already getting laws. passed on the books in the state of New York. A lot of people don't realize that New York was a hub

for international slavery, meaning that people that were enslaved in New York were human traffics to other parts of the world. And so New York is very much complicit in the slave trade. And just having the task force in the commission there is leading us down a very good path for reparatory justice. I do understand and I empathize with the thoughts that The process is taking too long. I understand that. But we're actually moving at a far more accelerated pace than many people realize if you juxtapose it to the centuries-long movement that our ancestors have done to keep this movement alive. All the way from Callie House to Queen Mother Aldi Moore, who was a member of the Republic of New Africa.

this is a long-standing struggle and movement. And I just know that we are making major advancement. But I also pray that people really understand that a lot of work is going on behind the scenes. And we are making progress. We are getting us closer. But it is going to take even more time because we are as black people up against empire that doesn't want to see us get anything. that didn't even expect us to be alive, to survive that trauma and pain, and we did. So out of pure spite, they fight us every step of the way.

So no, it's not easy, but we're going to keep going. Wow. Jessica, thank you so much for joining us on higher learning. Whenever we have questions about this stuff, we're going to come back to you, okay? Is that okay with you? Awesome. Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

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He said Capricorn Clark, one of Combs' employees at the time, called him and said he does and said that they were at Kit Cutty's home. Combs and Associated were at Kit Cutty's home. Clark sounded very scared, sounded like she was on the verge of tears. He met with Puff after, allegedly, after his car was damaged, he said, Sean Cones was just standing there, staring out the window with his hands behind his back, like a Marvel super villain. They discussed

Kit Cuddy's relationship with Casty We discussed pretty much the whole story About how me and Cassie first started to date And what it was and how it ended So he had to, I guess, ensure That he wasn't seeing Cassie anymore To Puff, he said That he asked Combs about the car

And that Puff said, I don't know what you're talking about They ran into each other again At the Soul House in 2015 Combs was there with his daughter he pulled Cuddy to the side and apologize. He said, man, just want to apologize for everything and all that bullshit is what Kid Cuddy said. He apologized to him after that time.

I saw a kid cutting on Tuesday. You saw him where? Carbone. You saw him at Carbomb? I said Carbone. Oh. I'm mad I said it now. That was quick.

That was quick. That was quick. Wow. That was quick. And I actually said, I was like, I wonder if he's testified. Because before it was, Tuesday night. I was like, I wonder if he's testifying. So look, have you been following the trial very much?

I'm getting the, you know why I've, okay, to be very honest with you, I'm pulling out because the headlines that are coming out right now, and I'm really reading the headlines from social media, they are more about the salacious nature of the testimony. And I am really getting sick of people with their opinions about what I kind of predicted being disappointed about what they're hearing pretending as if they understand because I don't even understand

RICO, which is why we brought Yodid on to talk about it and, you know, sex trafficking laws and on the federal level and people talking about how they're not proving their case and all of this that I've had to pull back because I am extremely frustrated that people are

already trying to acquit ditty, at least in the court of public opinion. So maybe I need to switch to just following the journalism part of it because what I'm seeing on social media is making me upset. And I'm not trying to say, well, yes, I am. I mean, I hope he has found guilty. But I just, the way people are villainizing Cassie

is making me upset at how can you be so dense. Yeah. So I'm following it on a couple of different. places I want to shout it out. Lauren LaRose is doing a great job covering the trial. Law and Crime is doing a great job covering the trial. They have an in-court reporter who then comes out and reports everything

from law and crime. I think her name is Elizabeth. And then they also have Afi Patterson. Yeah, Lauren said something I didn't agree with. They have Afi Patterson, who is doing a fantastic job. Who? Afi. Afi Patterson.

A hometown girl, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, known her for years and years and years. She's doing a fantastic job covering stuff in the trial. Laura Coates is doing a good job, so I'm getting a lot. And Bruce Rivers, criminal lawyer reacts, Bruce Rivers. I'm watching a lot of stuff from his channel. I think, yeah, yeah. He's what?

What does he call himself on social? Maybe he's not the one I'm thinking of. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. I guess I would lean away from the people, because I said something I was like, Lauren said something I didn't agree with. She says something, I would rather, listen to like some of the other people like Afi or Alora who have a legal background because too much opinion I'm hearing from other people, which is like what I don't want to hear.

Right. And I'm not, not to discredit. You know, like we have Megan on here and she's not a lawyer. So I'm not just crediting journalists who don't have legal background. But this is so complex that I'm more into that. Well, that's why for me, to your point, that's why it's important for me to get. full scope of it. I listen to what's being reported by some people. Then I listen to the actual transcripts coming from the people at Long Crime. We're doing a great job at just giving you what was

said in the courtroom. Then you get a reaction video from a lawyer, a reaction video from a reporter, and then you start to kind of get a feeling of what people are saying and how people are looking at different things that are happening in the case. And to be fair to what you're saying, A jury doesn't most people, I don't know if a lawyer's on that jury, but more likely than not, that there's a lawyer. And they are swayed by their emotions and feelings. Certainly. Even though they say that they are not, they are. So that's why sometimes, yeah, you listen to the reporters and stuff like that because if they are lay people, you might get a different sense of how the evidence in the courtroom is affecting them. Being interpreted. Being interpreted by them. Yeah. Fantastic. You know what?

So this seems to be when you look at it and we've talked about it, Yoli talked about it, they have to prove the prostitution across state lines, the interstate travel stuff. They have to prove the sex trafficking and stuff. They also have to prove the RICO stuff. It seems like some of Kuddy's testimony goes directly to proving the RICO stuff. because the organized crime portion of this,

because if you have Puff engaging in aggressive and potentially murderous assaults on people, and you have a behind Puff, an organization of people that are helping him doing that and then helping him in covering that up, that goes to prove the government's RICO case as far as that goes. You bring Kid Cuddy in, it's probably a good idea for the prosecution for Kid Cuddy to be able to prove just how deep this goes or attest to, just how deep this goes.

This is more than organizing sex parties. This is more than organizing prostitution for a guy to come from Florida to Vegas or New York or Atlanta or L.A. This is actually getting to the point of real deal hits being put out on people and actual violence. and just by wandering into this world, you put yourself in danger, particularly from this guy who they're painting like he was a mob boss. And that's what they're pretty much saying about Diddy.

You know what I'm interested in him? I've already seen some social media accounts online calling Kit Kuddy a snitch. I'm interested in how hip-hop reacts to Kit Kuddy like being on the stand. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm definitely not street a hip hop at all because if you try to blow up my car

or harm me and then I get subpoenaed, I'm gonna be on there, I'm gonna be like, he did it. Or how about the fact that he is clearly doing this as well on behalf of victims like Cassie? Right. Right. Are you more about holding on to the street code or to the rap game code or whatever it may be?

Rap game code. Yeah, I just made that up. Yeah. or brocode or whatever it is, are you more about that than you are about, I'm going to take this stand, I'm going to tell my story in order to, on behalf of these women who were victims of him,

I'm going to look him in the eye, I'm going to testify that they obviously called me, I'm going to do this. I just, to me, that's what keeps getting lost, and that's where I get upset when I see people who are looking past the victims in order to so badly prove, that Diddy

they're not saying Diddy's not some sort of monster they're just like Diddy is not guilty and they're so eager to see that kind of come out, that verdicts come out than they are about the women who suffered. And so I commend Kid Cuddy for being brave

enough to take the stand and what I look at it as speaking out on behalf of people who have been impacted in the worst ways by Diddy. The government has a very specific case to prove.

They must prove their RICO case. They must prove their sex trafficking case. Some would argue that the transportation across state lines for the purposes of prostitution has already actually been proven. Some would argue that in those

three troughs that they've already filled one. And that comes, I think, with like 10 years or something. Some would argue that they've already proven from testimony from sex workers, which all their identities were released, which is crazy. It's interesting.

That the government has already proved that. That what's yet to be proven is the sex trafficking. Well, some would say that they're getting there on the sex trafficking, which is, of course, the force, fraud, or coercion. That part of it would have, you would need to lean on Don Rashard's testimony and Cassie's testimony. Cassie testifying that she was living in a really violent situation and that a lot of these things she felt like she had to do after a certain point. Yeah. Because either Diddy was going to release a sex tape on her, which her mom testified that she actually took out a loan

on her home to pay Diddy $20,000 to not release a sex tape on Cassie. And by the way, this will let you guys know. There were news of Cassie that leaked back in the day. I vaguely remember that. There were news of Cassie that leaked. And people were wondering where these nudes leaked from. They had thoughts that maybe it was an ex from back in

her life that had leaked the nudes. Now you have to wonder whether or not those were used as leverage, not saying that they were, as leverage to keep her in line in some way. But there were naked pictures of Cassie that did in fact get leaked

to the public. I don't know where that came from, but she's seeing that. She's seeing the response. You've got to know, maybe she felt like she can go anywhere. So that's going to be a part of the trafficking situation if she's doing this by force, fraud, or coercion.

You also have to wonder whether or not the government is going to produce more witnesses that are going to talk about the fact that they maybe felt like they had to participate in these free golfs. because of force fraud or coercion. That goes to the trafficking, and you got to think that if you get them on the trafficking, then the RICO stuff to cover up the trafficking or to facilitate it is it's probably going to be, you know,

hand in hand in that situation. So it just depends on the way you look at it. But for a lot of people, what Rachel was saying earlier makes sense. But look, if you really want to know kind of what's going on, you don't have to spend a lot, well, it's my job. So I have to be on here like, you know, I know, I got to go to taking kids a little league and stuff like that. So you don't have time being just, but there are a lot of different sources that you can listen to to got to get a sense of how people are feeling about it.

You know, if you're listening to the one person on social media or two people on social media, a couple of different places. Diversify. Go, come up. I would say do that about everything. Boom. This is you. You're out there. You're looking for information.

You're trying to get information on politics. Bam, you go to the nation, right? Then you go to Zateo. Boom. Then you go to maybe a Sam Cedar. Bam. Then maybe you want to see what the devil thinks about it. You go to a Fox News.

Bam. It's all popping on. You're boom, boom. You're nimble. Feing! Feing! Fee! Fee!

Fee! Fee! Fee! Fee! Y'all just hear my underarms clapping? I thought you with the microphone. No, y'allie's up. You can see his little head popping in the corner.

We said Fee, he got activated too. You all hear that clap, though? That was real. I told you all I heard to go. Donnie, did you hear to clap? I didn't, but we'll see. We'll run it back.

I heard it. If not, Donnie, you know what to do. Yeah. Enhanced it. Thien. Thien. Steve. Steve.

I'm losing weight, but I'm losing weight, but I'm telling you all, man, I just need 15 pounds and I'm good. Just 15 and I'm back to me. And then another 10 after that and I'm good. I'm almost there. God damn it. We have to make a stark turn. But we have to discuss this.

We have to talk about this. Donnie? All right. Tom Fletcher, the UN's Undersecretary General for Humanitarian Affairs. He said this about eight efforts being installed in Gaza

during an interview with the BBC. Now, let me describe what is on those trucks. This is baby food, baby nutrition. There are 14,000 babies that will die in the next 48 hours unless we can reach them. This is not food that Hamas are going to steal.

We run the risk of looting. We run the risks of being hit as part of the Israeli military offensive. We run all sorts of risks trying to get that baby food through to those mothers who cannot feed their children right now because they're malnourished. 14,000 babies in 48 hours. It's an extraordinary figure. It's chilling. It's utterly chilling. But this is what we do.

We keep going. It will be frustrating. We will be impeded. We will run huge risks. but I don't see a better idea than getting that baby food in to those moms who at the moment cannot feed their own kids. There's still things happening right now. There's an immense humanitarian disaster that's going on with the ability to get aid into Gaza right now to feed people. You have that.

Then you also have intense and non-stop shelling that's still going on. Yes. Things that are happening that were happening at the beginning of this war, this genocide, that people weren't, not weren't talking about. There was talk about whether or not a hospital was being hit or whether or not this place was being hit or whether not this was being hit. All of that pretext and all of that sort of, the cloudiness

about whether or not that type of stuff is happening is pretty much gone now. Now what you have is to me a stark and bone-chilling bone-chilling

culling of people that's happening in Gaza. You couple that with the Trump administration outwardly saying, outwardly saying in plain English language that they want to move up to one million people

out of Gaza into someplace else. There's no real plan to do that. And really, to be honest with you, fuck the plan. You are not, you're making people leave their homeland. You're ethnically

cleansing people out of a place where they live the thought of us saying that and supporting that loudly and proudly is it shows you the dire situation that the Gossans are in right now. Well, it's almost as if when the Trump administration says it like that, they're literally making it seem like,

which it's still a problem, right? Like, even if I, what I'm about to say, I'm not saying it. They're trying to make it seem like it's like, oh, well, it's not worth being there anymore. We're just going to... No, that's not what they're trying to make it seem like. That's what he's saying.

No, no, I'm saying like, they're like, we're just moving them over here, right? But you have to think about the way in which they're doing it, which is what they're not getting into, right? They're leveling buildings. So they're making it completely, not just take the bombing out of it. They're leveling things to where people can't even go back and rebuild,

making it unlivable. then you have what you just what was just reported about the aid Washington Post has a report that aid trucks have not are entering are entering Gaza for the first time in 80 days we're getting this report from the UN that says 14,000 babies will die if they don't get aid in 48 hours how do we even get to that point because trucks haven't been there in 80 days you're actively trying to eliminate not just move eliminate These people and the future, 14,000 babies, it goes towards the ethnic cleansing of what you're talking about.

It's beyond disturbing what's happening over there. And, you know, the criminal. It's absolutely criminal. Even the leveling of buildings is not, like, it's criminal. And IDF is saying that they don't condone it. But even that is not a part. Like, that's a war crime as well. But when you talk about, I mean,

this is making headlines because it's headlines, because obviously this has been going on, right? They haven't received eight in 80 days, but it's making bigger headlines because you're talking about babies. But how do you justify that? Just like Tom Fletcher was saying, you can't even blame this on Hamas, right? Because that's the bit of the thing. Well, Hamas is going to take it. Hamas is stealing it.

Hamas is hiding there. This is why this is why this happened. Hamas does not want what is on these trucks. And you're still denying babies, a future, a life. in the name of what? Total victory, to quote Netanyahu. Total victory, which means total elimination. Ethnic cleansing, moving them out.

Genocide, that's exactly what happening. There's no way to look at this other than that. Not that any of it's been justified, you absolutely can't justify this. Let's talk about this as plainly as we can. You know, none of the issues in this area of the world are new. None of them are.

If you've taken the time to go into what's been happening there, what's been happening in Israel, in Palestine, in the West Bank and Gaza, since really the first Aliyah in the late

1800s, then you know that there's been contention about who belongs there, whose land it is, how the land was going to be divvied up, and who had that, whose ancestral home that land is. We always talk about how complicated it is, and the more you read about it and the more you study about it, you see that while it's complicated, it's also quite. quaint and simple is the same thing that people have been fighting for since people invented weapons to fight. They've been fighting about who's supposed to get what, how, and why.

It's no different than the American Civil War and what you think you should have and who you think should suffer for what it is that you have. It's no different than any of the great skirmishes in history in that you think something belongs to you by right or by decree and what you're willing to do to either stay where you are or move somebody from where they are. Now look, I have my own thoughts about all of that. I have my own thoughts about what it means to displace somebody. I have my own thoughts about what it means to be a person living in a place where your humanhood is dictated to you by someone else. If people are wondering why it's difficult sometimes

for some black Americans to just not care about stuff like this, it's because you live in a place where you kind of get told how much of a person you are. And any rights that are granted to you, those rights are granted to you. They're not rights that you assert. They're not rights that anybody fight, for you to have, you're a person and you're this and you're that because some powerful person

allows you to be that. And even that feeling, the feeling, the feeling of that is debasing. It's inhumane. And so when you see somebody else going through that living in a situation where they're seemingly controlled, you go, not right. I can't understand it. I don't get it. But the complication is this. For me and for a lot of other people

is you share your community with a lot of Jewish people. And the plight, at least for me, of black people in America, particularly in the past, there's always been people that you could turn to when you look in your history books

to help you and those people were Jewish people. And a lot of the Jewish people in your life that you talk to and you have a lot of respect for and you have a lot of communications with, they seem so sure on this issue. They seem so sure, right? When you say so sure, are you saying that they agree with the means?

No. What I mean is a lot of them seem, I mean exactly what I'm saying, they seem so sure. About, like, I understand that. They seem so sure that Israel is incapable of doing anything that is abhorrent. They seem so sure that Israel. Yeah, that Israel is right. Yeah. That Israel is.

And the, the, having the conversation about this is, is straining to a lot of people that you care about. and a lot of people that you're with because they look at you as an anti-Semite. And if you are black, you don't want to be put in a situation where you're an anti-anything.

Like, if you're a person that believes in freedom and justice and equality and equity in the world, you just don't want to be put in a place where someone is able to say, there's a blind spot that you have, and that blind spot is going to result in things like October 7. That blind spot is going to result in things like the Holocaust. That blind spot is going to result in things like the killing and minimizing of Jewish people everywhere. You don't want to be told that.

When I'm talking to my Muslim friends, my friends who I was at a beautiful dinner, It was like me and Tommy, Tommy ended up taking me to like an eat dinner. You went so I can eat dinner and a party after that. I was listening to these people. Amazing, beautiful, brilliant people talk about their feelings and how they feel in the world now. And these are like just unbelievably accomplished, smart, high up. Like, these are people who have skin in the game. and they feel unsafe.

They feel unsafe. They feel like they're walking around on pins and needles in the world. And they're talking about people that they know, that are in this region of the world, that they don't know when they're going to see them again. They're talking about arranging to get people out of places. They're talking about making arrangements

to get people from here to here and to move people from this to this and who's going to take them, where are they going to go, and all of this stuff. And I've devoted brain power to it to try to understand what type of solution

could exist. And you do that because you think that there has to be a solution. You think that there has to be a way out of this. And that's arrogant, right? Because I don't know a way out of it. I don't know how to have conversations with people that you don't want to offend

or have conversations with people that you don't want, that you want to be compassionate to and be right all the time. You can't. But I will say this. If you can't be pro-Israel, you can't be pro-Palestine, can you find it in your heart to be pro-Palistine? Can you find it in your heart to be pro-children? Like, and I don't mean to, but I'm serious, can you find it in your heart to be pro-smiles, to be pro-l laughter?

Innocence. To be pro-innocence, to be pro. Can you find it in your heart to be pro-children? Like, can you find it in you to be pro-dil? doll, pro food. Can you find it in your heart to be like, like pro kid? I get it, I understand it.

I know that there are so many people that are completely hardened to eat an ounce of humanity that would exist in Gaza. I know that there's so many people that October 7th was a red line and they now, in their heart of hearts, really want to go in there and kill and move everybody out. There are people like that.

There are people that, the horror that they saw, it was too much. Yeah. But 14,000 babies, we're talking about food, we're talking about water. We're talking about, like, I know some of you

and I know this isn't who you are. Like it, I know this isn't who you are. I know that there's no way you can turn around and act like you're not looking at this and act like you're not seeing this. And by the way,

there are conflicts everywhere and we could be talking about any other conflict that's in the world where things are happening. We're talking about this one right now. we're talking about this one right now. For whatever reason we're talking, we're talking about this one right now.

So if we're going to be people, if we're going to be human beings, let's just decide to start today. That's as good as I can do. That's as good as I can do. Nicholas Cage in the N-word. We got him, yeah, I cannot do the, we cannot do the justice department.

I can't. I was like, please. If you went into it, I was going to be like, please. Please. Thank you. All right, let's talk about it. A supporting actor in the upcoming film Madden reportedly quit the movie after director David O. Russell allegedly used the N-word on set.

The actor, whose name has not been disclosed, walked away from the film, two weeks into production due to alleged racism and a full frontal nudity scene that he was uncomfortable with. Have you guys seen this report on the Mad movie starring Christian and Nicholas Cage. Do you have any backstory? You have any insight? I don't. I don't have any intel.

Like five members of the cast and crew shared that Russell was working with the actor on an impromptu monologue when he allegedly said to slur. That were upset the actor and others on set, prompting them to walk off before lunch and wrap for the day. First of all, if you know anything about David O. Russell? Have you seen some of the old David O. Russell videos on the set of I-Hard Huckabees? On the set of what? I-Hard Huckabee's. Oh, no.

Damn, you haven't seen this? Mm-mm. Donnie. But I'm looking at some of the movies he's done. You don't know David O. Russell movies? No, yeah. As a cinephile, I don't think, who's the director? I just watched the movie.

Oh, interesting. But, yes, American House of Silver Lining. Donnie, bring up David O'Russell versus Lily Tomlin. No. Play it for Rachel right now. I love Lily Tomlin. Take a beat and please it. You can put the fucking thing down.

You can put the folder down for a second. Well, to use both hands. Yeah, and take your legs off the desk. And a whole bunch of other stuff. I don't see it. You got to keep your leg down too. Look if I see. Okay, for Christ's sake.

Let's just take it one fucking line at a time. Instead of changing everything. It's very difficult to even create what you're going to do when it's constant a barrage of change this, change this, change this, do this. No, wait, wait, do it a different way. Do it a different way. Don't get me started. Okay, so I'm just saying, let's just, you know, it's impossible. One actor's doing one thing, another actor's doing another, and I'm not, I'm not as, I'm not as brilliant as you.

I can't keep up with you. We're being very efficient. Being very efficient. You're being impatient. Watch. Let's rehearse. I couldn't understand you. No, it's not the first time.

Okay. That's Lily. Now listen to this. Fuck you. I'm just trying to fucking help you. Do you understand me? No, no. You know, I'm being a fucking collaborator.

I'm just trying to help you figure out. Here, yeah. Hey, bitch, I'm not here to be fucking yelled at. I worked on this fucking thing for three fucking years. You're just out some fucking cut. Oh shit. Where's the fucking crew, when I'm trying to fucking help you, bitch. Figure it out yourself.

Well, I have to do that. Yeah, fuck yourself. Why don't you fuck your whole movie? Why don't you fuck your whole movie? Because that's what you. you're doing. So she was 65 when he was yelling at her. I wanted to see, I wanted to see how,

because she's 85 now. That was 20 years ago. Like, how old was she? If she was 25, it wouldn't have mattered, but wow. So we don't know if he said it, but more likely than that he did. The moment, when I saw this, just knowing David O. Russell,

when I saw this, I was like, I wonder what kind of set this is. because if David O. Russell, who's made a bunch of brilliant movies, right? If David O. Russell is the David O. Russell of the old days and he's yucking it up with these people dropping the in-bombs being D-O-R, you know, D-O-R, fiending it.

If he's feigning, if he's D-O-R... David O'R... Oh. If he's feigning, he might have thought that... He might have thought that he was fucking around with someone that was... with the fiend, but they weren't. I, so do you think the actor was black?

Probably. Even worse. Yeah. So, okay. Because he also said he didn't want to be nude in a locker room scene, and David O. Russell, David O. Russell probably said, nigga, with that dick out. I mean, but here's, here's what's even worse. He probably did.

That's funny to me. That's funny to me. Like, that line that I just, that's, I'm a laugh at my own sister. That's probably what that dick out, nigga. It's probably what Dave is. He didn't say it. It was an impromptu monologue when he said it. So he was going back and forth and decided, you know what?

This is a time when I get to say the word in public. Like he needed to get, he fiend. He needed to get that out of his system and said, you know what? Let's do an impromptu monologue so I can call you a nigger, which is how I'm feeling right now, or maybe how he feels all the time. That's what it sounds like he was doing. He found an excuse to get that out. Have you ever been in the situation where a white person used the N-word around you

and you had to make a snap decision on whether or not you were going to take it there or not? Yeah. Tell us about it. Well, it was singing a song. I've never been more interested in anything that's ever happened on the podcast. Hold on. Hold on. Let me get the words right.

I want the words right. All right. So we in the car. And they're like, Ah, this is my song. This is a group of us, right? I'm trying to think how she starts it off because it starts off with the N-word,

but they didn't say it at first. It was like, we were just like, that's my type, that's my type. H. Big Ooth. This is recent. Oh, shit. This is, I'm sure it's happened before, but I distinctly remember it

because it's somebody that I adore. And I was, so, because it was like, now wait a minute. Rich nigger, A, figure that's my type. And I was like, No, no, no, no way, no way. Because I just didn't know they had it in them.

Yeah. Oh, so this is a person that you wouldn't have seen the nigger in them. You wouldn't see the nigger were in them. I don't see it in any of my white friends. Yeah. But we're all like in the car just and I was like, wow, not only did you just say it, you said it boldly. And I was like, no, they didn't. Keeps going.

That's my type. That's my type. You know, you can't say that. Right. Right. I was in the front seat. I wasn't even, I was listening. I turned around. You can say that.

What do you mean? Turned down the music. Yeah. You can't say that. Yeah. And I'm saying that as nicely, this is me talking. I'm trying to say this as nicely as I can because if you say it a third time, I think I'm going to lose my shit and you're going to see a different side of me.

Oh. And so, but I was very nice about it. And I explained, like, it was really like, oh, we just saw singing the song and I'm like. Oh, there was pushback. No, no, no, no. I didn't realize it would have offended you kind of thing because I'm just singing the song. And it's like, let me explain to you why.

So it was like that. But I was like, if I hear you say it a third time, I'm going to lose it. Because I feel like I felt like I was being taught for a second. I was like, are you fucking with me? Yeah. Are you taunting me? And they took it well, never. I've been around them since where we're singing songs and they don't say it.

At least not in front of me. So there was one time. Do you remember that video that came out with that, that teacher and the teacher was going, niggah, nigger. You remember that? vaguely. You remember that?

Vagely, vaguely. Don, you remember what I'm talking about? Yeah, he's like, can a nigger get a pencil? Can a nigger get a pencil? Remember that? Donnie played that. It's always funny when it doesn't happen to you. Right.

Because he was trying to explain to his- This is a white man. How do you fucking not seen this? He was trying to explain to his. Okay, we got to play for Rachel. So this is, this is principal, this is a guy, he got in trouble for using the N-word. He got trouble for using the N-word. And he went to bat for himself.

And he was trying to explain. Wait, I vaguely, no, now he's starting to sound more familiar. You've seen this before. Because you was in college when they probably came up. he was trying to explain how the N-word isn't the same all the time and he's a teacher

so he was doing it in the And he said somebody else used the N-word first? He said his, yeah, Donnie playing, play real quick. The teacher told him to sit down and the teacher says that Kishon used the N-word first.

And I just kind of stunned a second. Well, well then get away from the door, nigger. And I was just, I repeated. the same insult because that's sort of what I've been trained to do. The school district says that is...

KKK? Wait, what? I just don't understand. Who trades you to do that? Listen to where he explains... It's the way he says, can you get away from the door? Nigga. So listen to...

Listen to him to explain it. Listen to him to explain it. And I'm trying to understand it. I need help. Yes, I use nigger. I've used it. I admit it. I put the H on it to emphasize.

It's... Pictures. You know, nigger. Nigga this. Nigga, please. You know, can you lend a nigger a pencil? I only remember him being like, can you get away from the door?

I do not remember him holding up the difference between nigger and niga. I want to find him. As he says. I want to find him. He might not be with us anymore. He's pretty old. So, he's pretty old in this clip. So we're at, we at this old place I used to work.

Can a nigga get a pencil? You know they say it all the time. That's the example. We have this old place I used to work. This is pre-TMZ. Before y'all I ask, it's pre-TMZ. We at this old place I used to work. And the video comes out during this time.

and one of the producers goes and he repeats it and I look over to him and I was like hey fucking the never again and I said I'm saying his whole

fucking off of it are you fucking playing what you're talking to and everybody was it's so funny because they test the waters right

they test the water they do everybody is so quiet right everybody is so quiet is so quiet, like what's wrong with Van? And I get mad at them. I was like,

don't fucking look at me like I'm wrong. Fuck all y'all. Y'all heard that shit. And then it's got to be a meeting. You got to pull Van in the room. We have a conversation to talk. And they pull us in the room. I'm in the room and everybody's in the room like,

Van, we just want to have a conversation about, I'm like, fuck, I don't give a, no, there ain't no conversation. This is the conversation. You ever do that again? I'm going to bring the nigga out. That was going to happen. I was like, I was like,

it's like, if you ever do that again, I'm going to bring the nigga out. Like, yeah, no, no, we ain't doing that. No, line drawn. Whatever happened, y'all need me to leave? Line drawn. Y'all need me to leave? That's it.

No, we ain't playing around like that. We ain't playing. I remember for the rest of the day, it was so tense around there. Because everybody was mad. They were mad at me. everybody was mad at me that I ruined the fun because everybody was listening to it and even in a situation like that I'm not going to lie so when that video's playing

and everyone's laughing at it I'm never comfortable I'm like of course not I'm waiting and then somebody did it they test in the waters because if you if you laugh with them about it then it's a whole deal right right right then they start then they start saying it's a it really is an art and a skill how clearly it wasn't, they said something wrong, but they turned it on you. Whenever it comes to the inward, whether it's tears,

whether it's either it's, I didn't mean ignorance, somehow they always make it seem like I'm not the problem you are for being offended by it. It's a skill. That's the ignorance. That's what I mean.

You know what? I just heard a clip recently. I want to get your opinion on this clip. Donnie, look up the clip of, I'm serious. No, I got to send this to somebody. Look at the clip of Patrice O'Neill and Louis C.K.

Right? What do he do? Patrice O'Neill is the greatest. But listen to how Patrice O'Neill takes this joke. All right. It's Patrice O'Neill and Louis C.K. They're talking about... Patrice O'Neill is explaining where the etymology of the K word as a Jewish insult comes from.

And he explains it about why that happens. Cut that part out. Go past that. listen to listen to the joke that Louis C.K. makes and tell me, Patrice O'Neill, who's one of my favorite comedians of all time, tell me if you could have taken this joke.

Okay. There is some black guy being a nigger. So they called him a nigger. The circle. You have to play the whole thing. Yeah, like, I do know with a term, Kite came from, by the way. Ah, derogatory term for Jewish people.

I do know where that came from. Where? It is when people used to come over on the, you know, in the ships on Ellis Island, a lot of people couldn't write English. So they used to make their mark, and the Jews mark was a circle. And the circle is called Kikl. So that's what they were just shortening it to Kike. The guys, I mean, and so here's another Kike once they've seen the circle.

You know where a Nigger came from originally? There is some black guy being a nigger. So they called him a nigger. Well, one, it's not funny. It's not even funny to me because he's using the N word. It's just not funny. Right. So it's the same way that Louis C.K.

Then we're going to use the N word, very famous clip in front of Chris Rock and the whole deal. Louis C.K. was definitely probably around some people that did my. The question is, you blew up on a friend. I blew up, I blew up like at my job. Like at my job, at my job, I was like, no. And it ended up becoming a whole thing.

Patrice O'Neill, comedy legend, it's probably around a lot of comics that push the issue. He takes the joke much better. Because, probably because he's a comedian. And that thing they give each other a lot of grace because probably be less triggered by it is the thing. No, because I'm not going to give you permission. If you had not said a thing, you know what you would have been?

They would have said, they would have done the same thing somewhere else. They would have been like, well, I had this coworker van one time and he didn't have a problem with it. I'll be damned if you say that about me. Yeah. I'll have a problem every single time. Right. And I can not blow up at you, but I can turn down the radio and nicely say, don't do it again. Yeah.

That's a warning. Yeah. But don't ever use me as an example. How did it feel knowing that your friends are some niggasayers? Well, I think I would have had a harder time if it wasn't the song. And I still don't want you standing in a song. But I know a lot of them use that as an excuse of, well, it's just in a song. I'm just seeing a song where rappers give them the freedom to be like, yeah, if I'm, if I rap about it,

yeah, you can say it back to me. So I know they think that there is some leeway in a song. And I'm here to tell you there's not. All right, before we get out of here, I have to talk about this amazing video. Okay. I want to bring on an animal expert to break down this video. Now, you guys aren't, if you're listening. I purposely didn't watch it.

If you're listening to me, if you're listening, you're not going to be able to understand what's happening. I am going to describe what's happening on video for you. And what I would like to do for our viewers is to get to. get this video playing I'm sorry I'm sending it to people they're going to be like

what the fuck you might as well send the is a mini mall video as well and Afro Ninja too they're going to be like are you have you been in are you been in Van Winkle they're going to

it's like what happened to me in college you know my parents didn't let me watch and I was like talking about like oh y'all see that episode so do they live in color and they were like, yeah, Rachel,

50 years ago. Like you were, you walking around campus in 2007 going, let me tell you something. Like, doing fire martial bill.

Open the class. Like, you're walking around, everybody's like, yo, what's wrong with this girl? Like, you're like,

y'all, y'all heard a handyman and they're like, yo, we move past that shit. Like, don't bring that shit up again. So there's a video,

right, of this dog. Rachel. We got to Oh, they're going to be like, what the fuck is Rachel on? So I've never seen anything like this before. So there's a video of these dogs fighting. Okay? They're fighting.

Whatever reason they're being bad pups. All right. All of these dogs are fighting. And at, I'm going to say, all got their teeth out. All got their teeth out. At 11 seconds, the boss dog of the fucking world walks into this video.

I have never seen any living being. Forget about a fucking dog. I've never seen any living being with this type of fucking authority before. The dog walks into this situation. There is a gigantic cane corso to its right. The cane corso bows. The dog bowes. Yeah.

There is to the dogs left. When you're looking at the video, a big German shepherd who's chilling. The German shepherd gets up and walks out as if to say, oh shit, the motherfucking one is here. It's like literally, the cane corso bows, gets down. He does bow. He tips his head and everything.

And then the German shepherd is thinking, oh my God, y'all are really fucked up now. because motherfucking whitey white saw is out in this motherfucker The dog's not even big Not big at all The cane corso bows And it's a cute foofy little motherfucker

The puck walks over Gets on the dog Making the trouble All the other dogs scatter All the other dogs scatter It then puts its paws That's the part At 17 seconds

On top of this dog as if to say, shut the fuck up. Then, after the dog nips and bites a couple of times at it, it puts its right paw on his throat

and says, shut up. I said, shut the fuck up. The other dog behind him, I'm calling this dog Big G. The dog behind Big G goes back into its cage. Like look, I've never seen anything like this before in my life

I've been around dogs my entire life The whole video is 23 seconds on Like I've literally never seen anything like this before in my life Like I've been around shepherds I've been around beagles I've been around like all different types of pups Walks out there Dead's the whole situation

Kane Corso bows German Shepherd Walks away Walks away The other dogs go back into their cages Look at this And a trot A trot

everybody clears out. Do you know what's crazy about the throat touch? It's not even just that he puts it. He slowly raises his paw in slow motion. And it just taps it. And it just looks at him. I said enough. I need an animal expert to come on the podcast and explain to me.

I watched this video 150 times. I want like, what's going on here? Like what the fuck is. Look at him. This big genius. is a motherfucking man. Look at him. Don't bark at Big G. Look. Put my hand on your throat. Shut the fuck up, bitch.

Like, Donnie, are you as amazed by this video as I am? Yeah, I think I've watched it about as many times as you just said you did. I can't take my eyes off of it. There's a whole thread of more videos of this dog. Just doing authoritative shit. Just look it up. Alpha dog. There's Alpha dog

threads. Like this dog is... Of this same dog? I want to know what breed he is. where he's living. Like, is this doggy daycare? Is this a breeding ground? What is his name? So we see, just y'all,

pay attention to the video. It's at 11 seconds when he comes in doesn't even acknowledge the Cane Corso. He looked like he got a couple people backing him up too. Like, he comes in, Cane Corso bows, other dogs clear out. He comes over there,

and the dog gets right down on the ground and shows his belly. Right down on the ground at 16 seconds and shows his belly. And then at 17 seconds, he mounds the dog. Shut the fuck up. The dog bounce again. And then the last thing, the coldest thing, is at 21 seconds,

he just very slightly puts his hand on his throat. I've never seen anything like it. Donnie's sending more. Oh my gosh, she really is cute. Okay, I changed my mind. I'm looking in the face. The alpha male of the dog kingdom with the most insane aura who is often calm and deadly enough to control the environment.

I've never seen anything like it. I've seen dogs bark and bark and bark and barking and barking and one back down. I've never seen anything like this before my life. I want to know. This, I'm so, I'm so into animals. I'm into two things. Animals and feigning. Feeding and animals.

Feeding this week, you'll change. You're about to go down a dark hole with all these videos. Anyway, Brownie, what's, where's Brownie at? Brownie's passed out back here. see, Bowlesman ain't like that. Brownie's alpha. Brody, oh yeah, he kind of is. Brownie's mean.

Brownie's alpha. For sure. Yeah. That is, it's... I have seen Brownie. We were on a walk. And, you know, like you walk and you hear the other dogs come up to the fence. You could tell, it's a big dog.

Woo! Roo! Right. It was good, right? That's not bad. Comes up to the gate. Brownie sprints to the gate, but it's wooden. It's not like you can see the dog.

The dog must have stood on his leg. and push the gate hits Brownie in the face, right? Brownie keeps going at it, trying to fight. Ronnie turns around to me. Blood, just all down. Brownie doesn't give a flood. Brony will lose his life.

That's too much. That's like Kujo or some shit like that. Well, Kucho is on to get the side of the wall. We out of here. We got to go, once again, animal expert. Oh, a couple people I want to have on a podcast coming up. Clay Kane from the series XM. show. Delays from decisions,

decisions might be Corrible decisions. It's decisions. That's right. That's right. Formally known as. Formerly known as. And then, and then.

I'll put it out here. I want Jamal Roberts on the show. Okay. Oh, yeah, you did say that. I want the American Idol winner. I haven't watched it in years. Watch it first, Black Man to win since Ruben stuttered. You remember him?

Yeah, America's Velvet Teddy Bear. Yeah. Well, now they're into the velvet voice. Um Velvet what? You're about to say Velvet throat. Oh, velvet throat.

Not. Damn. Not dick. Velvet throat is crazy. We're never going to get him on now. Is that? Not ABC Disney. So you're saying,

you're saying, Jamal is a velvet throat? He got the velvet throat? His voice is just, it's, you haven't heard anything like it. It's so reminiscent of like David Ruff and Sam

Cook, Teddy P. Just all wrapped in one. Go, go, go, let's do it. And from Mississippi, shout out to him. teacher, three kids, just like a really, like, it's a really great guy. What if that's preacher boy?

From what? From five heartbeats? Wow. Is that not his name? Now I'm talking about sinners. It's a preacher boy from Mississippi. Maybe he's turned into a vampire. In all fairness,

the first preacher boy was five heartbeats. In all fairness. That's true. In all fairness, thank you. Thank you so much. And a movie reference, point for Rachel. I want to give a shot.

out to New York Women and Communications. I emceed their award show on what day was that? Tuesday had the most fantastic time meeting so many wonderful people. Shout out to Table 33. Love chatting with you guys, Thought Warriors. I mean, so many Thought Warriors that were coming to talk to. It's so nice when people want to talk about the podcast and not Bachelor. She's like Just Bachelor. Like we want to have more to say about it. So shout out to Table 33. Shout out to the wonderful people that I met that listen to this podcast. And shout out to New York Women in Communications. I was actually going to see Thunderbolts again. And as I was watching Thunderbolts, a gentleman walked up to me and showed me his phone.

And he was watching higher learning. That's cool. That's great. That's cool. We on our thing. Also went to go see Kendrick and sizzle last night. You liked it? It was okay.

Can I explain myself? All means. I've probably seen Kendrick five or six times. I'm used to seeing Kenrick. I've seen him open five. I've seen him do himself. I do it by himself. I've seen him with Drake.

I've seen him with Kanye. I've seen, like, I've seen Kendrick so many times. I did not, I was not aware of the setup. So it's not them as artists. It's the setup of the show that wasn't for me. I thought Cizzo was going to do her thing. Then Kendrick was going to do his. There are two different types of acts.

It's not like on the run tour, which I have been to, Beyonce and Jay-Z are more compatible in what they bring to the stage. It was too up and. down for me. Like I'm watching, and it was actually more Siza than Kendrick, I would argue. And I'm more, uh, no more Kendrick songs. Cizza is enchanting. She's captivating, you know, you sit, you vibe to her music. So to do that and then you, you're coming off of like, Martin had a dream, Kendrick had a dream or turn that TV off. Turn that TV off. I might dun, duh, it was too, it was too up and down for me. You know, so it was more of the setup. If I,

had known, it would have been different. So for all you, go see the show. Go see the show. The show's already sold out everywhere. Yeah, just know that it's a back and forth. Like, in a skits that they did in between, Recool, it was like this deposition and, like, that intertwines. But I just wasn't prepared for that.

So that's- Are you a Cizza fan? I like Cizza's music. Okay. But I know Kendrix more. Right. You know, like, I can say like, oh, that's Kill Bill. Oh, that's snooze.

But I don't know the words to the lyrics like I do. a Kendrick's stuff. I think I'm going to the Toronto shows. I know. We talked about that. I think I'm not going to be here. I had invited myself. Yeah. I think I'm going to Toronto shows.

I can't wait to see it despite your lukewarm. No. The show is, I said I wasn't prepared. See, now you're going to go and prepared and you're going to be like, okay. I would like it anyway because I love to see Black's Excellence on the States. And they are. And they are.

And they are. Thank you to our guests. Take you guys off. Did not stop learning Van Lathan, Jr.? I'm Rachel Lundland, see. Bye, guys.