Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Kim Potter Charged in the Death of Daunte Wright, Plus Colton Underwood Comes Out As Gay

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss the latest news in the death of Daunte Wright (09:05) as well as the video of Army Sgt. Jonathan Pentland harassing a Black man (16:20) and Michael Rapaport’s controversial Instagram post. Next, Yodit Tewolde joins the show to discuss the latest in the trial of Derek Chauvin (31:40). Van and Rachel also go over the pause of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine (45:10), former Bachelor Colton Underwood coming out as gay (1:00:30), mailbag questions, and their Unexpected Ally of the Week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, Thought Warriors. What is up? Power Learning is on. He's Ivan Lathan. And it's me, Rachel Lindsay. Rachel's doing the podcast from our car, guys. I don't know how else to say it. I don't know how else to say it.

What does it say about me? This shows that I'm dedicated, that I will do whatever I need to do to get this podcast done. None of these other jobs will hold me down and stop me. You know where I am? I've never been out this far in California before. I'm in Ventura County. Right.

Thousand Oaks. Very nice. Very nice place. Very nice. Yeah. You're looking around. I'm the only one out here. You're the only one of you.

Yeah. Well, I'm nervous because it's like I'm in my car podcasting. My windows are down. I just like don't want anybody to come up and say. Are you at Ralph's? I'm at Starbucks. You're at the Starbucks parking lot right there. I find that Ralph's, the Ralph's parking lot is a safe place to go.

Well, I wish you would have shared that with me before. I don't even know if there's a Ralph's out here. There's an Albertsons. There's a Ralph's. That's how you know you're getting far away from the L.A. City Center. I'm deep. I'm deep. You see Albersons.

There's an Albersons on Venice, though. So the reason why I know that the Ralph's parking lot is safe. I do you know that? It's because I keep jugs in the back seat of my car. So when I have to pee, you know what I mean? Because I drive around so much. I keep empty jugs back there. And I always, when I pee into the jug, always put.

Wait, well, what? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Van. What? You don't just get to say that in passing. I, and I'm sure the rest of the thought warriors assume that you drink out of the jugs. You just said, yeah, so when I pee in the jugs and I'm sorry, what? So see these big jugs of water?

Sometimes I'll go on long drives and these big jugs of water, you'll drink one. But then during the pandemic, there was no public bathrooms that you could use. But I'm so nervous and anxious, I got to go on long drives. And so I still need to use the bathroom. Why can't you just pull over? You're a man. Like you could just pull over somewhere and do it behind something. Glad you brought that up because that brings us to,

that brings me to another story. But no, I don't want to get arrested. And I don't want to get arrested for peeing outside. So I use one of these jugs. And I always go to a Ralph's parking lot and find a Ralph's. I don't want to just be on the side of the road peeing. It feels. You have ten windows?

No, I don't have the tin windows. In the backseat, but not in the front seat. People can't see. This could go, you're a big dude. You're six, four. This could go really bad for you. People can't see. You know what I mean?

They can't see. Oh, but me and Rachel had a shout out to everybody over at Spotify. We had a shoot yesterday for frequency. Rachel and I did. It was good. We got all dressed up. Styled by Kalika Abrams. Yeah.

By one and only, she did a fantastic job. It was amazing. But so I told Rachel a story. And the story was that I actually pissed my pants a couple of weeks ago. Full on. Full on pissed my pants. So I drink a gallon of water a day. I take long walks.

I went out for a very long walk. And about halfway through the walk, I realized I had to pee. and it, it, it, I thought it was, because, you know, sometimes you have to pee and then it goes away. But what happens to me is, I'm sure it happens to everyone, like right before I get to the house, like, it just becomes super intense to where I'm hot, I'm sweaty, you know, I'm walking crazy. And so I get to a point to where I go, I just got to find an alley somewhere and I got to pee. And so I find an alley I go into the alley And as soon as I'm about to

Go ahead and do El Biznosia I see a cop There's a cop parked in the alley I don't know what was going on Is the cop parked in the alley And he looked at me like I know he ain't about to piss back here

And so I nodded to the cop I definitely don't want to piss in front of the police That's a Fucking punishable by death offense It would also be in decent exposure. The decent exposure. Next thing you know, I thought he pulled out a gun.

And then the cop shoots me, you know what I mean? And so I walk away and I get to, I live right at about the corner of La Ciena and Pico, but I was at about Robertson. And so I looked at I'm like, I'm not going to make it. But it's not going to happen. Took a couple walls. So I just took the avi. I took the alleys back home rather than the streets.

I took the alleys back home. And I had on black warmer pants. So let it flow. I just let it happen. I let it happen. And you know... In public, too. In public.

I'd say probably about a half a mile, maybe a little bit more. I walked. It happened. It's a thing. And by the... It's not a thing, Van. People have pissed on themselves as adults.

Correct. But it's not like a thing. It's not like something. that people just do. Can I ask you a question? Like a thing makes it seem like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question?

Can I ask you a question? I'd rather you not. I'd rather you not. Okay, I won't. But you know. Go ahead. Have you, as an adult, pissed yourself? Once.

There you go. See, it's a thing. Once. It's a thing. But can I just say, first of all, I've been thinking about this since we talked about this yesterday. I just find it hard to believe you didn't pass by any establishments that you couldn't go inside. No, they're not.

I didn't, for real. I really didn't. Okay. All right. Mine was not as public as yours. I don't think that I could just walk down a public street and pee on myself, even if I was wearing black sweats. I just couldn't do it. I think I would just rather cry.

I think I would just cry. I did it because I got, I was trying to get home. had I not run into traffic, I would have made it home safely, would have made it to the bathroom. Instead, that didn't happen. I got stuck in like dead lock, grid lock traffic.

Thankfully, I said, I'm not going to make it. I had a blanket in the back. I just tucked that blanket underneath me. Yeah. Yeah. And I just let, I let enough go to where I felt relief.

Right. I didn't go full force. It sounds like you went all the way. No, I didn't do that. By the time I walked. I didn't do that. I'm going to be honest with you, was liberating.

Because I was like... I could see you smiling. No, no, no. That's the only way I see it for you. I see you smiling. I see a bit of a skip. A little pep in your stuff. There was.

There was... You were warm? I was walking. And I was like, you know what? I'm always so worried about what people from higher learning pissed his pants. You know what I did? Fuck it.

I pissed my pants. I had too much to drink. And I took too long. of a walk and circumstances in the world. It's not like you can go to McDonald's and pee. It's not like you can go to these other places and pee anymore. They won't let you do it. They'll let you do it.

What would you have done if you would have rounded the corner and run in as like a thought warrior? Knowing that you smelled of pee. What would you have done? Would you avoid it them? Would you have said, I'm not van? Would you have run home? I think what would you have done?

I think the thought warriors would appreciate the honesty. I think I'd be to, I looked at Thought Wors and be like, yo, just let you know, I love you. You're giving them too much. I just pissed my pants. Even I as your co-host, if I was around the corner, would have been completely disgusting.

That's what we're going to do. On all higher learning socials, because this is a stressful time. Don't need to hide from one another. At higher learning. No, Trudy, give them the higher learning socials real quick. It's at higher learning. at higher underscore learning on Instagram, right?

At higher underscore learning on Twitter and at higher learning on Instagram. Go to these places and tell us the stories of when you've pissed yourself as an adult. If you're drunk, it doesn't count. I'm talking about a conscious pissing. I'm not talking about like, oh, we went to coyote ugly.

We were dancing on the bar before you. You know what I mean? Right. An intentional release. I'm talking about you just said, lock it. All right. Let's take a break.

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She was arrested on Wednesday and released on $100,000. bond. Very interesting. So my question to you is there's not much in terms of the facts of this case to go back and forth. We know kind of where everything stands. Do you think that Kim Potter meant to kill Dante Wright? I'm going to say no.

I'm going to say, no. I'm going to that it was unintentional. I'm going to believe that she did not mean to pull her gun and fire that shot at him. It doesn't take away from what she did. Doesn't mean she wasn't negligent. Doesn't mean that I don't think that she should be charged, found guilty, and go to jail for it. It's interesting because Ben Crump is saying that it was intentional. Maybe as the family, he is now the family's attorney for this case. And I, maybe he knows more information than we do. But from the little bit that we know so far,

it's hard for me to say that she intentionally meant to shoot him and to kill him. It's just hard for me to say that. But I want to be very clear that that doesn't mean that I don't think she's guilty of manslaughter here, second degree. And potentially more if the prosecution decides to bring more charges because they have more information. What do you think? In terms of the intentionality of the shoot itself. Yeah. Probably not.

But I think his death was intentional. I don't think she shot him intentionally, but I think his death is intentional. I think that Dante Wright and guys like Dante Wright are put in certain positions by the system, a system that is incredibly intentional. right so the system itself to criminalize guys like that and to forget your training and your decorum and all of those things the system has a place it wants to see guys like dante right and that's

dead at 20 years old so in the heat of the moment you know i counted about seven seconds that she should have known that she didn't have her taser in her hand. Now, in her mind, that might have seemed like a blip, you know, my question is, I guess, what stops her from approaching that life

like there's a human being there? See, that's the intentional part of it. The intentional part of it is, the intentional part of it is, why aren't you treating that person like a person? That makes complete, sense. And I didn't see it, I didn't look at it that way at first.

Yeah, whether or not you grab for your taser, you thought it was your gun, whether or not you did this, you did that. The dehumanizing of guys like Dante Wright is the thing that actually leads to their death. And that's always intentional. So, you know, you put your, I mean, you could make an argument that they weren't trying to choke out Eric Garner. but the act of treating him like a piece of flesh

and not a human being is why he died. And that thought, that way of being, that American disease is intentional. It's the totality of the circumstances, which is what makes sense. And it goes back even before she reached for her gun. It goes back to why they stopped them. It goes back to why so many police were on the scene.

it goes back to, you know, like, telling him to get out of the car and not explaining certain things. The way that they approached him, there seemed to be, you would have thought that when they ran his information that he was wanted.

You know what I'm saying? He was out for murder or something like that. It seemed to be a heightened situation for a warrant for a misdemeanor. Right. For being pulled over for expired plates and for the air fresheny. or for something hanging from the rearview mirror.

I agree with you completely. It's she, her acts may have been unintentional, but she's in an intentional system because of the threat, the perceived threat when you see a black man or a black person. Right. Or a brown person, just a person of color. I agree with you.

We're talking about this with Lieutenant Nazario, right? It starts with the stop. It starts with all of that, you know, you, what if you pepper spray that guy? He has an allergic reaction and he passes away. you know, it starts with, then it becomes who's responsible. It starts with the stop. It starts with the system.

It starts way before the police and the black people meet each other at a point to where we can't trust their training to keep us alive, right? Mm-hmm. And so, and so, yeah, because of that, I can't absolve her. I can't absolve because to absolve Kim Potter for the death of Dante Wright

is to absolve the system that is creating Kim Potters and is creating hashtags and we can't absolve that accident I know that you know that's how you feel

so you know yeah I agree it's just a matter of what you don't want to do, and this is the legal side coming out, you don't want to, because you do, I feel the same way that you do, you can't charge her with that if you can't prove it. You know, like, sadly, the system hasn't caught up with what's actually happening in this country. And so because of that, she can only be charged for certain things. Not what she necessarily should be charged for. You know, it's too bad. We can't charge the system.

You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. It's true. So we barely got a chance to our breath until another disturbing video was released yesterday and this was a video of Army Sergeant Jonathan Pentland harassing a black teen in Columbia, South Carolina. This video started going on. I knew this was going to be hot because like four people sent me this video at the same time. The video starts with a young black man walking in the neighborhood. I think it's

called the summit in South Carolina. A man asks him, what are you doing? Where are you going? Get out of here. he tells him to walk this way, which I mean, I guess it's a way away from the neighborhood or something like that. Then he puts his hands on him and pushes him. There's been more information that's come out about this. Sergeant Pentland has been arrested for assault.

There were mass protests. Not mass protests. There was a big protest outside of his house in South Carolina yesterday, which it still might be going on right now. I do know that they shut the street. down at one point to people who didn't live there. Right. They shut the street down to at one point to the people that didn't live there.

They then moved Pentland and his family away. His wife was also in this video talking to and some people would say harassing. I would say harassing this black man. We don't know what happened before the video. But officials in South Carolina and the police there have said that they haven't

seen anything that's justified. That's their exact words that justified the treatment of this man whose name is not known, I think, other than D or something. I think I heard D'Andre. DeAndre. I think other than D'Andre, like we don't know very much about the victim in this particular case, perhaps for his safety. So he is an adult.

I do want to say that. Okay. They're not revealing it because he's a minor. Okay. So the police have said that they don't find, they don't see anything that justifies this. Did you see the video? What did you think? Here is my issue.

Yes, I saw the video. I think people are, you know, like, I'm not going to commend the police for charging Pentland for assault. Because what people are missing is that when this incident happened, the police came to the scene. And the police saw this video that is now gone viral. And the police chose not to charge him for assault. Instead, they told him, we can charge you for malicious injury to property because apparently he broke his phone, knocked it out of his hand.

So the police weren't going to do anything. It wasn't until there was public pressure and this video went viral that he was then arrested. The police were fully informed of this situation, of the information at hand, saw with their own eyes what this man, this sergeant, did to this young black man walking in this neighborhood. A neighborhood he says he lives in. they did nothing. Not until there was public pressure. And I'm so tired of this. When people ask us, why do we march? Why do we protest? Why are we angry? Why are we frustrated? Why are we upset? Why are we not stopping? Why are we not letting things go? It's because of this. If public pressure was not added to this equation, this man would still be in his house. Nobody would be in front of it.

Nothing would happen. He wouldn't have gone viral. He still, he wouldn't be had issues with his job right now. This is what we have to do to get things done. And it's time and time again, we can't rely on the system to protect us, to do things for us, to recognize what's right and what's wrong when it comes to us being harmed. Instead, we have to rely on us. We have to rely on public pressure. We have to rely on allies to put the pressure on them to get things done. This is what infuriates me so much about this. And I need people to understand this is why we can't stop.

I, it, like when I found out that they came to the scene and did nothing, like, here we go again. Right. Here we go again. You know, you know what the cousin of supremacy is? We talk about supremacy all the time. The cousin of supremacy is authority. Hmm.

You don't have the authority to tell me which way to walk. What makes you think you have the authority for that? What makes you think you have the authority to ask me who I am, where do I live and all of that? makes you think you have the authority for that. There is a baked-in authority that comes along with the American status quo, with white supremacist ideals, with latent white supremacy that exists in our society. And it makes people think that they are agents of some sort of unwritten or unspoken law. In all of these situations with Cairns, we see people demanding that you do something.

Right. And that demand comes from a place in their minds that is telling them that we are not the same. Right. What do we always say? We see people doing something like that that's them people business. That's their business, right? Who am I to go in and insert myself and what's going on with them? If you see somebody hurting somebody, then maybe.

you would, but two people, that's their business, that's their business. Right. To be white in America is to think that everything is your business. Hmm. It's to think that you can just insert yourself in any way. He's walking. Okay, where you're going. The fuck you mean where I'm going? My fucker, where are you going? And then,

and can I walk you home? Like you're a dog. Can I, oh, we'll walk you home. Can you walk me home? No. You can walk your ass out of my face. Exactly. And to, and the reality is that the aggressions, whether they are micro or macro, it's that that so many people have had enough of. It's that small. How can you ask me about me?

Who gave you the right? No, we share a community. This is not your community that I live in. The young man told him, hey, I live right over there. Like, I live right over there. Right. So if I live right over there, if that is in fact true, if I live right over there, who can you tell me, George Zimmerman is driving around, patrolling around,

Trayvon Martin is walking in his father's neighborhood. George Zimmerman decides that something looks off and then Trayvon Martin dies. And inserts himself in it, yep. So it's like, when you hear people, and we could belabor the point and talk about it, but when you hear people get exasperated about things like this, it's because even the small things are big. Oh, it's not a big deal that the people at Starbucks tell you you have to move. Fuck, it's a huge deal.

I should be able to sit here like anybody else. Those little things tell me that there's a glitch in this American matrix. And we know it when something big happens, right? Yeah. But the small things, right, that remind us like you're not welcome here. You know. Exactly.

That's it. You're not welcome here. It's just a weird, weird thing. Weird thing. Super weird. We're going to have a guest on next week's podcast. I think I guess we should talk about this now. Next week's podcast on Thursday for Friday.

We're going to have a guest. We're going to have Michael Rappaport. We've been trying to have them on. Right. But we couldn't get it. him because he's shooting the show. Me and Mike had a back and forth yesterday. Did you see it on the old Instagram? You brought it to my attention. I went and I looked at it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I saw it. Yeah, go ahead. No, no, no. What did you think? I mean, I think you're right.

I didn't go full into it because I'm like, okay, we're going to have him on this podcast on Thursday. But I just find it interesting when you talk about people inserting themselves into things as if they have the authority to do so, that's what seems to, this seems to be the place that Michael Rappaport was coming from. And I don't know why he feels this, he has this authority, maybe because he's married to a black woman. I have no idea. But the fact that he posted that and then doesn't see anything wrong with it, doesn't see the problem on it, pointing fingers at the black community, kind of telling us what we should be doing and challenging us why we're not recognizing so. certain things like he's with

like he's one of us because that's the thing with Michael it's he wants to play like he's with us and he's one of us and then on the other hand do stuff like that. So which one is it? Not saying it should be either to be honest. So you're right. I mean this is what happened. Mike put a post up on his Instagram and he does this sometimes.

To me it feels like he's chastising Black America. He put a post up on his Instagram. Absolutely. And the post was of a young man who unfortunately, He unfortunately lost his life in Chicago, 17 years old. And then Mike said something to the effect of, to all the sports leagues, would you guys boycott this or stop play because of this?

Does this matter? I can't remember exactly what he said. And I responded to him for a couple of reasons. Responded for a couple of reasons. Number one, there are people everywhere. Listen, if you don't know who these people are, just take my word for it like we do with everybody else's culture.

See, we don't we don't tell everybody else's culture how they should operate. We don't do that. Like, not that I know of. I mean, there might be some people who do it, but we don't get involved in things that are going on

with other people. I don't. Let me not say we don't. Let me not say we don't. I have friends and people who I really care about and respect and talk. and talk to every day from every different, all across the cultural spectrum, right?

And the only thing I do is ask questions because it is so beautiful to learn about how different group views the world. It seems like I ask questions, and for a lot of other people, we're given directives on how we should deal with things or what we're not doing. And so what Michael basically said was,

it was intimating, that they're not marches when there are kids that are killed in inner cities, one place. Of course, everyone likes to go to Chicago and nobody cares when that happens. Here's the thing. It's not that nobody cares. It's that you don't care. Okay. The reality is every single day we're working with organizations.

we're working with people, that this is their life's work to eradicate these problems. Every time you're talking to Alicia Garza, every time you're talking to Philibagno or Tiffany Lofton or Tamika Mallory or any of these people, right?

Every time you're talking to these people, this is what they do, Derey McKesson, this is what they do. They work on this stuff day in and day out. Day in and day out, they work on it. The media gets behind flashpoint issues, but black people are black peopleing

every single day. We're black peopleing. So it's always awesome to see organizations with huge platforms get involved in these things. It's always great. But sometimes for us, it's just Tuesday or Wednesday. And then to see somebody come in on the backside and act like

we don't care when a 17-year-old kid gets killed in Chicago but we don't care when it happens in Baton Rouge or when it happens in Richmond or what happens in Gary, we're trying to unfuck the whole system. It's part of the whole same thing. And he also said, hey, this was on purpose.

Yeah. He said this one was on purpose. Someone tried to kill him. Do you care about this? that is insanely, insanely insensitive, insanely insensitive. How you even fix your mouth, insanely insensitive to Dante Wright's mother and his entire family

who really couldn't care less right now whether or not it was an accident or whether or not it was on purpose. Now look, me and Michael spoke after this. He told me some of the way he views the world. he told me how the way he looks at things. And I think it's a conversation that we need to have on the podcast. So people were asking for it.

So next Thursday, we will have a conversation with Michael Rapport. And then next Friday, that will be on higher learning. Question. When he told you his views on how he sees the world, does it align with the post that he made? Or is it different? Are we misunderstanding him?

No, I don't think we're misunderstanding him. I think he's, I think he's, I think he's wading into some waters. I think Michael's in over his head. Everyone can have an opinion on everything. But there's a complex nature to all of these things. And the reality is,

Dante Wright and that 17-year-old boy in Chicago were killed for the same reasons. Like all of the violence and the drugs and everything, it's all part of the same thing. And you have to look at these issues and comb through them with a fine tooth comb. You have to kind of see the systems that have been built. Now, obviously, ain't nobody going to be able to fix it. If we don't care about fixing it, but the fucking fact of the matter is we do.

So stop telling us how to be us. Stop doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm looking forward to this conversation on Thursday. I know you are. Next Thursday. This type of shit you like.

You like. that type of shit. You know what I mean? You invited them? Yeah, because it's... Actually, no. I invited him last week to talk about the lady. That's all.

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to keep you guys updated on everything that was going on in this trial. Now, I know there's and so much other stuff in the news happening, it seems like these things always come in little clusters, and they definitely have been coming in those clusters just recently. But we still want to make sure we keep our eyes on the ball as far as what's going on in the trial. So, of course, we've been giving you guys Yodit Tawaldi

and all of her information, her legal information that she has on the trial. Oh, she's right now on the set of her new show on the Black News channel, making the case with Yodi. So congratulations on that, and we appreciate that. And update us on the trial. Like, where are we now in the day of Chauvin Trump? So the defense rested, the state rested, and the judge adjourned for the day and told the jurors to enjoy a long weekend because they're going to be coming back on

Monday for closing arguments. And so we could actually see a verdict next week. Okay. So the question is, what can we expect in closing argument? have they given us any hint of what we're going to see? I think the defense most certainly has given us plenty of hints because they've been taken L's since this trial has started. I mean, their arguments that they've made are pretty baseless.

They're outlandish. They don't make sense. Their own experts made no sense. They actually got the worst experts. He used to force expert embarrassed himself last week. Their forensic expert embarrassed himself yesterday on cross-examining. I think the prosecution really has made a solid case. And I think that what they're going to do is they're going to summarize basically all of their evidence.

One, they've had all those witnesses, those bystanders that came in and described to the jury what they saw. They had their own use of force experts and MPD officers. Derek Chauvin's colleagues from his own department say that his conduct was excessive, unreasonable, and not per department policy and training. and then he's going to have, the prosecutor is going to talk about the medical experts and how they, they plainly stated that it was the need to the, to the neck, the asphyxiation that is the direct cause of George Floyd's death. And it was unequivocal, whereas the defense expert didn't even factor in neck compression.

He even talked about carbon monoxide coming from the vehicle. I saw that. It was insane. So his analysis wasn't even. Like proper, it wasn't thorough. So that's what you're going to hear. You're going to hear a whole lot of the bystanders being threatening to Shovem from the defense that is talking about how his drug use and his heart issues were the

underlying issues. So really, honestly, it just comes down to the jurors. What are they going to believe? Now, I think that they're more, I think they're more not the word attracted, but I think that they believe the state witnesses. They were thorough. They were clear. And they didn't get pounced on cross-examination.

So I definitely think that they're going to be leaning towards the state. And I think they're going to get guilties across the board. And I never say that. Right. Well, so a lot of people are wondering right now with all of, I guess, the uproar or the unrest, should I say, you know, I'm getting sick of describing mass grief. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I don't know what the fuck to call it. You know, fuck it. With everything that's going on up there in Minnesota, a lot of people have been hitting me up and asking me if they feel like all of that, because it's in such close proximity, we're talking about what's going on with Dante Wright, is going to have any effect on this trial.

What do they do to make sure that it doesn't or that these two things stay separate events? Yeah. Is there any, is that a thing? So it's funny that you ask because the defense, once this happened on Sunday, on Monday, the defense asked the judge to sequester the jury. Keep them away in hotels so that they could be insulated from what was happening just 10 miles down, which made sense, right? Judge said that case has nothing to do with this case. We're not going to do it because sequestering a jury is so extreme.

If it was going to happen, it should have happened already in the beginning. When you serve as a jury or as a juror, it's on an honor code. All you can do is take what the judge says when he dismisses a jury every day. You can't watch TV. You can't talk about this case, XYZ. He is trying to say, listen, take my warning seriously. If I hear anything about, you know, you watching the news or a juror says something to me, then I'm going to question you one by one and ask.

So all you can do is just, you know, pray that they follow instructions. And that's all we can ask for. So are they going home and watching the local news? we don't know. They're not supposed to, but it's definitely a concern. And but it's something that we, unless there's hard evidence to suggest that a juror has already been tainted, there's nothing we can do about that. And we can only assume that they're listening to the judge. But I definitely do think it has some, it would have some influence for sure.

And isn't one of the jurors from Brooklyn Center where, did I make that up? I don't know. I don't know. But I mean, it's still 10 miles down, right? Like it's it's unavoidable. So I can see why the defense was like, we got to keep them like away. But, you know, judge said no. So what, what is it? Oh, I'm sorry. Wait, that wasn't my question.

Oh, I'm sorry. So, so, Chauvin decided not to testify. Yeah. Were you surprised by that? Do you think that he should? Do you think, okay, I'm not either, but do you think that he should have testified? And I say that because I agree with you, the defense president. had such a weak case that I don't know if it would have made it better or worse,

but do you think based on what they presented to the jury that he should have testified? Okay, so I was always asking, how could the defense's case get any worse? It could. If they put that man on the stand, it would have gotten worse. I mean, imagine, right? I was a prosecutor. Whenever you got a defendant on the stand, we were salivating. And we were like, oh, it's on now, right?

We're going to keep them on the stand as long as possible. Now, the prosecutor in this case would have probably taken that video, nine minutes and some change, literally taking it frame by frame and grilled him in terms of why he was still on George Floyd's neck. So no, they made the smart decision. He made the smart decision. What his defense attorneys were trying to do this entire time was through evidence speak for him so that he didn't have to go on the stand. Now, does a jury want to hear from him? Every juror wants to hear from a defendant. They want to know what is your side.

What do you have to say for yourself? but they have to follow the law and understand it he has a right not to take the sand, not because it means he's guilty, but there's other factors too. But no, he did the right thing. He could have made his case much worse if that's even possible. But no, I was not surprised. So what do you feel like is the end date? If you have to give people right now a date that this is all going to be over and there's

going to be a verdict, how close are we to the end of this? Okay, so I think I told y'all the end of April, which I think is still, fairly accurate. But if they do closing arguments on Monday, go through instructing the jury, let's just say the jury gets the case on Monday afternoon, they start deliberating. I'm thinking that they could come up with a verdict by the end of the week. But again, I'm not these jurors. I have no idea what they're thinking. They probably have already made a decision, you know? So I think, I think I'm betting the end of the week. Interesting. Okay. Well, there you have it. You have anything else, Rachel? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I was going to pick your brain about sadly because there's another issue going on in Minnesota. I was just going to ask you really quickly because we did touch on it on this podcast. Kim Potter has been charged with second degree manslaughter. I just want to ask you, that's one of the charges also that are against, if I'm not mistaken, Derek Chauvin as well. Is this something that you think based on what we know of the case so far that the prosecution can prove? Or there's some other charges that should have been listed. as well in addition to that one. So prosecutors always charge the most poolable charge, right?

And then they can increase as time goes on. And that's what happened with Derek Chauvin. If you all remember, he was actually charged with the same charge. And then when the AG got involved, they started adding charges. So there's still a possibility that the prosecutor can add charges later. Right now, what we do know is that from that, which I didn't want to watch, you hear her saying in the video before she shoots Dante, taser, taser, taser, taser, which could imply that this really was an accident.

And so, yes, the second degree manslaughter does fit per what we know so far. Now, prosecutors always know more information that they don't reveal to the public, so they don't compromise their own case. So they may know more and add later, but as of right now, that's what it is. and she's culpably negligent, you know, and people are like, well, what is that? You know, if someone committed an accident, that doesn't necessarily mean you can't be held accountable.

It's like someone who is getting, you know, shit face, and they're impaired, and they get behind the wheel, and they hit somebody and kill them. Yes, was it an accident? Sure. Did they mean to kill somebody? No, but they're still negligent because they took an unreasonable risk of causing someone's death,

and they did it consciously. So that's kind of the case here. She was a 26-year veteran. She was actually training officers at the time. And she was carrying this teaser, which I believe is carried on one side, not the dominant side. Whatever her dominant side is where her gun is. The taser is on the other side, if I believe, if I'm correct. Yeah, that's right.

But so a lot of these pictures of a taser and a gun, I don't know if you've seen it, it can be misleading. I think it's not appropriate in the case because her taser wasn't just a bright yellow taser either. So we got to be really accurate with the facts here, too. So, yeah. Well, hopefully we have you on to talk about a fun legal case at some point. There is never going to be a fun legal case. Sometimes there are fun legal cases. And they're never fun.

I'll tell you what. I can tell you a fun legal case right now. Maybe one. When I was working at TMZ, when I was working at TMZ, there was this dude. who used to file all of these bullshit lawsuits. Okay. He was just, somebody would get famous,

and this guy would just file a lawsuit. And he, this dude filed a lawsuit against Johnny Mansell. And he alleged that Johnny Mansell had exposed himself to the guy at Disney World while he was singing. It's a small world after all. That was in the lawsuit, I swear to God. That was in the lawsuit. Zune used to do it all the time. He said somebody else did it at a hot dog stand while saying,

or singing, I got an Oscar Meyer winner. That's a real story. That's a real story. That's hilarious. That is a funny. We used to, I used to have to like, go on news hits and like talk about these stories to like news stations in Texas. Is this man still around?

We need to bring him on the podcast because that's hilarious. We stopped covering it. We stopped covering it. Because it was obvious because it was like we got a lawsuit in and it was like, yo, did Johnny Mansell expose himself to somebody at Disneyland? And then like when we're reading the story, it's like Evan's laughing. So the case got dismissed, right? Of course.

Of course. Okay. So that individual who keeps filing frivolous lawsuits needs to actually be fine by the court. You can't just, just because you got the time and the money to be like filing this. He needs to stop.

That's funny. That's funny, though. So I'm definitely wrong. That is a funny. Funny legal case. Okay. Thank you so much. Yeah, we will.

We will bring on for fun of one. We're also going to check back with you at the conclusion of this one. And if they drag on, we'll check back in with you. And make sure everybody, to watch making the case with Yodi. When is that on? Go to bnc.tv.

It'll have all the providers, pick your provider, and then it'll tell you the channel. Okay. That means that's a... And what time? Tell them what time. 9.8 Central.

9 8 Central. Check your local listings, but it's 98 Central. Go to BNC. Go to the website. BNC.com is the website? BNC.com. BNC.c.TV.

Go to BNC.C. TV. Thank you so much, Yody. for you guys. Thank you. Rach, are you vaccinated? I get my first shot Saturday. Which one are you getting?

Pfizer. You're not going for Johnson to Johnson? Well, it's been paused. So even if I wanted to, I couldn't. You should get you should get Johnson to Johnson just to see. You trying to do the podcast by yourself? No, I'm saying it's like it. Why would you do that to me?

You say you like roller coasters. Do you all hear him? Did y'all just hear him? Wait. Did you just hear what he said to me? Wait, wait. No one was out there. No one was.

If you don't know, you're going to be so offended. You said, you like roller coasters, right? Not the same thing. What's a better roller coaster than a two-week roller coaster? What would be more exhilarating? You know what you're doing? Michael Rappaport? You're making a generalization here.

All right. So the CDC and the FDA have issued a pause. A pause in the Johnson Johnson vaccine due to a small number of vaccine recipients reporting a severe type of blood clot after receiving the vaccine. Of course, the number is infinitesimally small. However, with vaccine hesitancy being out there and a lot of people wondering if they were going to get vaccinated, the news that Johnson and Johnson could have a potentially very serious side effect

did not sit too well with a lot of people that I know. What do you think? What do you think, Rachel? Would you, I'm going to ask you right now, if the only vaccine was the Johnson and Johnson vaccine right now. And we should tell you about the numbers. I think the numbers are, what, six out of some crazy? Six out of 6.8 million doses.

Six out of 6.8 million doses. have turned up with this severe reaction. If Johnson & Johnson was the only vaccine, would you take it? Hell no. And let me tell you why. Do you know what those six people with the blood clots have in common? What? They're all women.

So that's a big hell no. Absolutely not. And sadly, one of them has passed away, which is what caused them to say, you know what? We're going to put a pause on it. They haven't recalled it because that actually has to be done by the company. That's the way the FDA explains a recall. So they've only paused it because that's the recommendation from the CDC and the FDA. That's all I need to know. Okay? I'm not trying to rush it. I will continue to wear my mask. I will get tested every other day and I will stay away from people. I'm good. I'm not

trying to risk my life for the vaccine. Not at all. And I think this is just a reminder that we all need to slow down a little bit. I know we're ready. I know we're ready. I'm ready too. But I think it's just like every time we get some good news, we get a little bit of bad news. This is all very new. We're still trying to figure things out.

I know people who've gotten the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. It's one shot. Yes, because one shot. It's one shot. It's one shot. And it's a different technology. It's a different technology than the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. So I know people who have gotten the Johnson and Johnson vaccine.

And obviously the people that are. I know aren't among the six people who, it is very sad what's happened to them. They are fine. So, Rachel, I'm going to be honest with you. Am I detecting a little hesitancy, a little skepty-skepte with the Vaxi-Vaxi? No, because I have an appointment set up

because it's open to everybody now in California, and I made my appointment early, and I'm getting it April 17th, Saturday. Right. There's no hesitancy for me. Not at all. But here's my thing. Imagine if you're one of the people.

And you know this, right? Like we talk about anxiety and all of that. Imagine if you're one of the people and you're sitting in between because what is it? Six to 13 days after the vaccination symptoms can occur. Imagine if you're in that window. What do you do? Imagine if you still, and they still, there's so much they don't know about it, I feel like. If I have it, does it work?

Am I susceptible to this, especially as a woman? And it's between the ages of 18 and 48. Like, I fall right in that. I would understand being afraid. I would, the chances are just ridiculously small. Ridiculously small. But you're saying there's a chance, but you're saying there's a chance. See, you sound like me.

You sound like me now. It was crazy. Remember when we talked about the fact that cars drive by? and I'm like, yo, is a car going to jump the curb Not the same thing. Why? Because I think that percentage is even smaller. Of people getting hit by cars?

Let's look it up. Of that car, no, not people getting hit by cars, of the car jumping over the curve and hitting you. Not like you walking, because it's not like you're walking across the street. I want to talk about people getting hit. I want to look up people getting hit by cars percentage. I'm looking up right now.

No, it's the way you were going to get, it's the way you were going to get hit. It'd be different if you were walking across the street. like you're putting yourself more in harm's way somebody could run through a red light. You said this car would jump the curve as if it would come after you. No, what I'm saying. You get hit by a car out of nowhere.

I'm willing to bet you. I'm willing to bet you. You can have it. That the numbers are lower of people that got hit by cars. Oh, by the way, that's fine. ABC News 10 right now,

the number of people getting hit by cars in the U.S. is going up. It's right here. Here's an article. How likely? Well, I feel like we just added on to your anxiety. No. Okay.

So people that get hit by cars, how likely is it to get hit by a car? Would you like to know the numbers? We're already here. Go ahead. One in 4,292. And what did we say about the vaccine? Wait, wait. As a pedestrian or in another vehicle.

Yeah, exactly. Okay, that's a good question. Wait, wait, wait. That's a good question. Good question. Pedestrians. The Center for Disease Controls report that about 4,280 pedestrians die as the result of getting hit by a car. Another 70,000 pedestrians are injured as the result of being hit by a car. This is a total of 74,280 pedestrians struck by cars each year.

Divide that number, blah, blah, blah. one in 4,200, 4,300. So you have a much greater chance, just by the math, as far as what we know now, of being hit by a car than you do, of developing these side effects from the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Well, they should put you on the poster.

When they press play again, they need you to be out here speaking for them. I already got Pfizer. What I'm saying is, this news obviously was the weapon. by people who are on their own disinformation campaigns to make people not want to get vaccinated for whatever reason. So it's just very important. That's not me.

There's two other vaccines out there, y'all. That's not me. So I'm just saying it's very important for us to keep things in perspective when we're talking about stuff like this. That is not to say that there's no reason to not be like an easy about something. but it's a small number at least right now

but it's something worth watching. Fine. You've proven your point. So get that, you only got to get one to get that J and J. and J. Ah.

E. Oh, all right. Oh, this is interesting. You ever watch that show Luther with Idris Elba? I don't. I've never seen it even.

But I do watch Idris. Okay. I mean, if I'm Brian. You know what I mean? Brian felt that somewhere right now. No, he did. Yes, he did. He felt that.

It's like in Star Wars, the Force Awakens. Like Hans Solo dies. And Princess Leia wasn't there. Princess Leia wasn't there when he died. She didn't see it. It's one of the saddest fucking things I've ever seen before in my life. Where are we going with this? Listen, Princess Leia wasn't there.

When he died, she didn't see it, right? Because his son killed him and then Chooey let out this scream that was just gut-wrenching. But when that blade, that lightsaber, not a blade, when that lightsaber went through him by his son, Ben Solo, Leah felt it Leah felt it Cut to Leia, Leia felt it And when you just said

What you just said about Idris Elba Brian is somewhere right now Probably doing his taxes And he felt it He's like he he's like Oh what was that? Not the same thing Not the same thing

Oh What happened? Anyway So It's just so was on a show called Luther and Luther's about a black detective in England I guess I've never seen Luther. I've never watched it.

I have not even. People say that Luther is good. But Miranda Whalen, who is diversity chief of the BBC, which is what Luther comes on. It's a show from over the waters over there. Says that Luther doesn't have any black friends. So it's not black enough. It's not authentic enough because Luther

Luther doesn't have any black friends. Luther's not, Luther's just a black guy that's in this world, but it's not authentically black because Luther doesn't have any black friends. A lot of people, like, they went ham over this,

and they start to, do you think that this makes sense? Does Luther have to have black friends? She also said he doesn't eat Caribbean food. And that's also. Interesting question. Can you be black and not, Black. We talk about this all the time.

Yes. Listen. Yes. Listen, you hear people say all the time, black people are not monolithic. So not all black people have to just hang with black folks. You know, like there are it doesn't take away from your blackness. Then maybe majority of your friends are a different race. But here's

the thing. I laughed about this until I saw the rest of her statement. And so like she talks about like with these big shows and these key characters that you have to make sure that their environment also. reflects a little bit of their culture. So when I heard the rest of her statement, I'm like, okay, I understand where she's going with

it. But when you just take that piece of no black friends and Caribbean food, is I can see why people have a problem with it. But this is what I found more interesting, the creator of Luther. Did you hear what he said? He's the problem. He said, I have no knowledge or expertise or right to try to tackle in some way the experience of being a black man in modern Britain. It would have been an act of tremendous arrogance for me to try to write a black character. We would have ended up with a slightly embarrassed, ignorant, mental class, white writer's idea of a black character, which I guess I don't really understand.

You created this show. You created a back lead. Well, how do we know that it was supposed to be for a black guy? I mean, maybe that's true. So casting changed it? Well, no. What I'm saying is that like the movie enemy in the state, right? that movie was a movie that Tom Cruise was supposed to star in, right?

Tom Cruise passed. Oh, I didn't know that. And then like Will Smith got in the movie. What do they do? Then they change the script. They go, hey, while he's running from the CIA, he stopped saying that Roscoe's chicken and waffles just kicking with the homies. No, same movie.

So what I'm saying is that I don't know enough about Luther to know. And maybe Luther's based on books or something like that. I don't know enough about Luther to know whether or not Luther is supposed to be a black character. If that part of the culture is supposed to be in there. But if it was just a character and then, you know, Aegis is hot. He's on the rise. And then they cast it,

then maybe he wasn't even supposed to be black. Yeah, like, I feel like we could give better opinions if we actually watch the show. But I can understand people being bothered by the Caribbean food comment. Our opinions are fine. Don't know. Talk about yourself that way. Don't do that.

Because, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's cool. I'm not about to go I'm not watching Luther I watch enough shit You know I'm not gonna go back and watch English guys By the way shout out to Arunday Garrett

Shout out to Arronday Garrett My manager who's also Idris's manager But what I'm saying is I'm cool on that I don't need to watch English people solve crimes I don't You know I'm good

You know a crime You know I'm good Well listen You know a crime Luther could solve That I would be into What? Who called Archie a Negro?

I knew you were going to say that. Did they say? That's not what was said. Look, that's what Luther needs to solve. Who wanted to know how dark he was going to be? Who wanted to know how dark Archie was going to be? If Luther want to be black, if Luther want to be black, Luther is such a good detective, find out.

Who wanted to know about Archie's skin color? That's what everybody wants to know. That's not another mystery in Britain that we care about. You know what I mean? Find out. That's so funny. Find out. Find out who in Buckingham Palace said that.

Find out who in Birmingham Palace said. Birmingham Palace wanted to know about this kid's kid. Oh my gosh. Find it out. What you got next? Oh, I know. Because we could be waiting a while on Luther to figure that out.

Oh, no, I know what I got next. I know what I got next. Oh, unexpected ally of the week. No, it's not. No, nigger. It's not unexpected outlier. It's definitely not. Not at all.

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comes out as gay. This has been all over the place. He spoke to Robin Roberts about it. He has talked about it. Now, this was the guy that, correct me if I'm wrong, when he was on The Bachelor, he was El Virgin.

Yes. And that was the thing. And he said, because I remember covering this on TMZ, he said that he didn't have time to have sex because he was too focused on football. Correct.

Right away when he said that, I called bullshit on him, by the way, right away when he said that. Not on his sexuality, but just on that. Half the reason we played football in high school was so that we could have more sex.

That's what football, you know what I mean? You know, but so I didn't get that. You know, I didn't get that at all, at all. But it was his experience.

What are your thoughts on this? This was everywhere. Obviously, you're a part of the, batch nation. What do you think about Colton Underwood coming out as gay? So I've been reporting on this for a couple of days. And I'm trying to stick to reporting more than I am on an opinion.

Because what I'm trying to not be is one of these clickbait headlines. Okay? Because that they love to do that. They love to listen in. And then they love to give a misleading headline. So this is what I'll say. I think it takes guts and courage to come out, especially when you're such a public figure.

It takes guts and courage, period. It's absolutely ridiculous that you got to come out anyway, that you have to announce what you are. It's so sad that that's the society we live in, even though it is way more accepted now than it used to me. Why do I feel like you're about to say something crazy? No. I'm saying I'm saying I just want to make that note

because that's like something that always bothers me. It's just so sad. that you have to make this big announcement. It's just unfortunate for the LGBT-Q-plus community. But I know. I think it takes guts and courage to come out, and especially on national television, on a high-rated, highly-watched morning show,

sitting with Robin Roberts, one of the best in the business, to say that you're gay. When you've been on three shows as this most eligible bachelor, finding love, and it is a stark contrast to the way that you've been presented to the world to what you're saying now. That takes bravery. That takes courage. But immediately what I did was ask my friends in the LGBTQ plus community what they thought.

And every person I talked to didn't like it. And I listened to what people had to. to say, like, that are from the community. Do you know what I mean? Sure. Rather than giving an opinion. And everyone I talked to just, I think what it was for people, there's two things. One, it wasn't, it hasn't even been a year since it has been reported that you allegedly stalked,

emotionally abused, and harassed your former girlfriend, Cassie Randolph, who was on The Bachelor with you. That case ended up settling out of court. and then they dismissed the criminal part of it, but it is an accusation that Cassie stands by. She never took it back. And so the fact that you have yet to comment on that, to address that situation,

it rubs a lot of people the wrong way. That's one. Two, the fact that he coupled this announcement with the announcement of a new reality TV show. That is also rubbing people the wrong way. So the community seems to be split. I think across the board, everybody is proud of Colton for, you know, coming out and having the courage to do that.

But a lot of people are upset. There's a petition right now on change.org to remove his Netflix show. People are emailing Netflix. They're upset about it, that they're giving a platform to somebody who has a history of being problematic. A lot of the people that I talked to in the community were upset that he announced that he was gay, didn't address his problematic past, and kind of blamed the fact that he, was in a dark place as to why he behaved that way. And I think that there are two separate issues, as my friend Demi said, there's two, who's in the community, there's two separate issues. Him being gay. And then what he, no.

And what he's done that's problematic. I would have said Levado if it was Levada. Demi Burnett, who was, Demi Burnett, who was a contestant on Colton season, who is bisexual. And so she has had a same-sex relationship on the show during Paradise. first one to do it. So she said there's two separate issues. And just the fact that nobody is recognizing Cassie and the fact that she's a victim is troubling to a lot of people.

The people are mad at Netflix because they're giving him this platform. And then there are a lot of people in the LGBTQ plus community who feel like it's very opportunistic of him to have this reality show when he seems to be, this is all new to him. He seems to be trying to figure this out and navigate it. They don't understand why it's coupled with this show. show. They don't like the fact that he has quote what they're calling a gay

guide to navigate him. It just seems to be to quote a friend of mine in the community. He said it was icky. A gay guide. That's what the show is calling it. He's going around figuring this out with a gay guide.

People find it they were offended by that. So like I'm not really going to give an opinion. I'm just going to tell you what I've talked to people in the community about it. I mean, I think it's great for him. He said he's the happiest and healthiest he's been, and I do not want to take that away from him.

Look, good for him. Good for him, too. I don't know nothing about what you just said, but nobody cares about what I think about this. They care about what you think. I don't know a lot of, we have talked about on this show different sort of community teachers. Remember Chris Harrison had a, didn't he have a,

A race, a race educator. A race educator that he kept throwing Dr. Dyson into it and not as a gay guy, you know? Yeah. And I'm not saying if there's anything wrong with that, but that's fucking funny as hell, man. I'm sorry. Like that's, that, that is hysterical. Like, that is a black educator and like a gay guide. To me, that is.

really just the concept of it is what does the gay guy do? Does it, does it kind of get you into the world? Helping him navigate it. Yeah, apparently he's going to be sitting down with a bunch of, apparently he's going to be sitting down with a bunch of other people in the LGBDQ plus community that are going to be talking with him, answering questions for him, and all of this is going to be documented. It's just very public.

Right. And I think that's dope. that's what people are struggling with. That's dope. I guess that's better than, you know, kind of not knowing what to do and all of that stuff like that. That shit is hilarious to me.

No, it's better than going on a TV show where you're the most eligible bachelor dating 30 women who some have quit their jobs. You know, like came, went for you because you were the virgin Christian bachelor. He might have not known at that point that he was gay. He said that he's known. He was different since he was six and he's known,

I believe he said since high school, is when he started. Rachel, this is a very complicated process, though. No, no, no, no. I'm not telling him. I'm just telling you what he said. You're saying maybe he didn't know. I'm telling you he said he knew he was different.

He said this on GMA. He knew he was different than six and then something with high school. I'm just answering your question. I'm not going to, I'm not ever going to criticize someone about their journey, especially from a world that I do not know. I'm never going to do that. I'm just telling you what he said. So it's, you're right.

though, it is a sense, it's sensitive. That's why I don't want to give opinions about it. I'm just going to tell you what I've heard, what people have said to me, what's kind of going on out there, because it's, it's, we talk about people inserting themselves in other people's business. This is something where I need to listen to the community rather than telling you what I think. Because if you know Bachel Nation, you know that Colton and I don't have the best history. So I'm not going to sit here and say anything that's judgmental, anything that's insensitive. But I will say that I think I'm proud of him for being able, you know, to tell his story for the first time ever.

Okay. Well, let's leave it there then. Take a break. That's it. Yeah, leave it there. Yep. Take a break. We come back with mailback.

Mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback time. Write us with your queries And we'll chime in So you guys know that Jackson isn't here anymore Jackson's not here Love Jackson.

Trudy, let's go. Hurry up. I miss Jackson. We did the song already. Trudy, you're doing a great job. You're doing a great job. Trudy, let's go. Speaking of Jackson from Jackson-Safon,

If you had to replace your co-hosts with anyone alive, who would it be? Yo mama, Jackson. That's who it would be. All right. Asking us questions and stuff like that. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I'd quit.

This is the perfect. This is the perfect pairing right here. Maybe replace Rachel with one of Luther's black friends, meaning nobody. All right. Next question. Right. What are we got? I'm Rachel Miller.

if you could get one piece of information from the future, what would you want to know? Good question. I really don't know. I want to know when I die. Not me. Fuck that. See, I would.

No, hell no. I would. Do you think I'm wound up now? I would want to know. I know. But just think of what kind of power you would have knowing, right? Whether it's near or far away. I want to talk about this.

The power you would have. No. Okay. That's what I would want to know. I'm like, you see me? No, I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to know nothing. How about that?

I want it all to be a surprise. None of it. I can't take anymore. Next question. Okay, wow. I'm too wild up. It's the juicing. Tell them you're juicing.

I am juicing. So people can understand why you're so on edge right now. Oh, tomorrow's my birthday, by the way, guys. So when you're listening to this, I'll be have, I'll have turned 41. So tomorrow's my birthday. because me and Khalidavis both know that we're going to blow it out eating, I'm juicy and it's not great. It's, uh,

I'm irritable. Trudy, next question. From Patrick A. Grover. You can erase one event from history, the Trump presidency, or the assassination of one civil rights activist of your choosing. Which do you choose?

And if it's an activist, which one and why? Hey, Patrick. This is a stupid fucking fucking, question, okay? Patrick, wherever you are. First of all, let me do something right now. Patrick, I love you. Patrick A. Grover. Patrick, I love you. It's not a stupid question, Patrick. I want you to hear me, Patrick. Just answer it. Patrick, I want you to hear me right now. You, my dog. If you see me on the street somewhere, Patrick, come up and give me a fist bump. But Patrick, this is a stupid

fucking question. Just because you know how you would answer it doesn't mean it's stupid. Please answer Patrick's question and tell him why. Patrick, I believe that if Martin Luther King Jr. had survived, we wouldn't have had the Trump presidency. Okay? So, so obviously, it's a man and his children and

or even or Malcolm X and his kids or Maker Evans and his kids. I would bring them back. Fuck Trump. Patrick. I love. Black Lives Matter. Next question. Patrick. I love you. Next word. I mean, I would never. Yeah.

Things would be different. Things would be different, Patrick. All right, is that it? That's three questions. That's it. Leave Patrick alone. Do you have an unexpected ally of the week? No, no.

And let me just say something. And you shouldn't either. Similar to Johnson and Johnson, we're going to put it on pause. Okay, we're not going to recall it. But let's just put it on pause because of what's happening right now in the country. I don't want to, no, no, no.

I actually do have one. Is it a really, really good one? It's kind of good. All right. Let's end on a positive note. Pat Robertson. Did you see Pat Robertson and his old ass was on his show talking about the way police are treating black people? He held up a taser and a gun, said that these are two completely different things, said that

Darien Chauvin needs to be buried under the jail. He said that he's pro-police, but police have to stop the onslaught against the black community. And they're doing all of these things and they're acting out. Pat Robertson and his old conservative, racist ass,

like he kind of, that's, when I say unexpected ally, he's not an ally. Sure. He's not an ally. It's just for the week. It's title for the week. Maybe even for the hour.

Yes. But, you know, to your point, though, we can't put on on pause for a little while. Until we waved through something. A little bit. But I actually had one this week, Pat Robinson. Okay. All right.

Well, that was a good one. It was a good one. All right, Rach. Uh, yeah. Hope you get inside of the studio or whatever you got to go. You're inside of your car right now. I'm actually going to plant trees. Is that true?

It's, it's, I'm doing something for extra. but it's in the field. In the field. It's an integration for Earth Day. Earth Day is coming up, April 22nd. Oh, Earth Day. So it's about that. So I'm talking to an Allison Bree.

Allison Bree. About, yes, about what she's doing with Earth Day. I had one of my first panic attacks after Earth Day special that came on in like 91. Wow. Because like they had bit, this was a true story real quick before we go. they had Bet Midler act like she was like Mother Earth

or something like that. And this was like an Earth Day special that came on. It was like Bet Midler, she was like Mother Earth or something like that. And then they were showing, she was talking about like the future of the earth or something. And then they were showing all of this B-roll of like pollution and stuff like that. And then my dad said, well, hell, if they already got that, then that would be going on right now.

And so then the guy says to Bet Midler, he says, he says, wow, is this the future? And then Bet Midler goes, no, that's the present. And I was like, fuck it, it's over. I was, it was so good. If you guys, if anybody could think about what this Earth Day special was, maybe it was before 91, whatever, but Bet Midler was like Mother Earth. They had all these celebrities in it.

They had all these celebrities in it. And I remember, I freaked out. So Earth Day connects me to my anxiety. All right. They found the clown, the scary clown commercial. They'll find this. All right. That's it, Thought Warriors.

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