Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Kyrie’s Coalition and Modern-Day Redlining

Episode Date: October 26, 2021

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay discuss the U.S. Department of Justice cracking down on modern-day redlining (7:25). Plus: Kyrie Irving’s vaccine stance seemingly has MAGA and BLM protestors on the same side for once (23:30). Then, Issa Rae and Amanda Seales have some Black Greeks upset (41:41), and Boosie’s homophobia is showing again (47:58). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Higher learning is on. It is I Van Halifan Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel, I'm jammed up today. I know you are. What is going on? Why are you so excited? I'm not sure.

You're not sure? I don't really know. I'm happy. You're happy. Are you familiar with clarified butter? I'm sorry, what? If it has to do with cooking, the answer is now. Well, here's the thing.

So I had some people over this weekend. We were hanging out. Just me. Shout out to Steve. Oh, Jackson was here. Jackson. Jackson was there. Jackson came to the house Saturday. Oh, that's so great.

Me, Jackson, Nick May, Steve, my producer from the Ring of Verse. We hung around and I made popcorn in my popcorn machine. You know, I got the movie theater popcorn machine. Nope, didn't know, but not surprised. I have it. And before I was looking, I was looking for the way to make the best movie theater popcorn. and I realized, I learned,

that you can't just melt your own butter and then put it over your movie theater popcorn. You can't do that. No, no. Because the butter, it makes the popcorn soggy. Yeah. So you have to get clarified butter.

And that's what you put on the movie theater of popcorn. Yes. I got a question. Sure. Doesn't popcorn come buttered? What do you mean? Can't you buy buttered popcorn? So there's like an oil that flavors the popcorn in the mood, but it's still not, when you go to the movie theater and you get the popcorn, do you then put extra butter on it?

No. Wait, what? So you go to the movie theater. I take what they give me. I'm not one of those people pumping and putting the extra stuff on. No. Never in my life have I done that. Dry ass popcorn from a movie theater.

How the fuck do you eat the dry ass movie theater? What the hell is going on, Rachel? Well, first of all, I don't always order popcorn. But when I do, I take it as they give it to me, I'm disgusted by people I see pumping away and adding all that extra shit on top of their popcorn. I'm one of them. What do you get when you watch a movie? It depends. I mean, I am one of those people who brings their own food to the movie.

I'm just not going to lie. I usually bring my own sandwich. Everybody in there. Like, God damn. I smell balloons. Bologna. That's me. I smell bologna.

Rachel over there with a fried bologna sandwich. That's me. It's crazy. How was your weekend? What did you do? Wait, what movie did y'all watch? Oh, no. We weren't watching the movie. We were just sitting around eating popcorn.

We were watching the movie. It was football day. We watched some boxing. It was Nick. Nick was there as well. Shout out Nick May, six feet over productions. It was we watched football. We watched boxing.

you know, basketball. We were just sitting around chilling. Okay. The guy's day. Man time. Man time. All right. Well, that sounds fun.

Both my teams were out of by week, so I, you know, wasn't as amped up for the games this week as I normally would. I went to Joshua Tree this weekend. Interesting. Never been. Never been. A lot longer to get out there that I thought. Only went for 24 hours. Group of friends.

Kind of a couple's trip. Rented a house. you know, had a catered dinner, had a, like a DJ, small performer. It was great. Talked around the campfire next day, did poll day,

had some massages. Very fun. Barbituates. Sorry? No, we need to do all there. Yes, you did. No, what? Is that what people do in Joshua Tree?

Is that why you're just... It's not what people did. Just what you did. Oh, okay. Barbiturates like you went on the drug. You now, now that you've done... Don't get rumors started. I didn't even know what all that was.

You educated me. Now you're going to act like you don't know. People who just goes out to Joshua Tree? Everything that you just did that you just said you did Joshua Tree, you could have did at the Beverly Wilshire. We know why you went to Joshua Tree. We know why you went to Joshua Tree. Well, I got to go all the way out there to do that.

Because that's what people do, because the stars, you can really see them well. You can see the stars. Actually, we saw no stars. We could barely see the moon. There's an overcast. See? That's what you think. The stars were very bright.

You were just tripping. You were like, I can't even see the stars. I feel like I'm in hell. Nah, the stars were there. Y'all was just tripping so hard. I could see you and Brian tripping together too. Like Brian, Brian was a hippie in a former life. Brian does not give off that kind of vibe at all.

What? A hippie in a former life? A little bit. A little bit. I could see him right now. But you know what, though? Brian wouldn't just be a hippie. He would be the leader of the hippie commune.

No, he wouldn't stop. Yes, he would. He'd be the leader. You're tripping now. It's true. I know what happens when you go out to Joshua Tree, but I'm glad you had a good time. Was it relaxing? I needed it.

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And when I say the folk, I mean the black folk. The U.S. Justice Department has announced a new initiative to tackle racially discriminatory lending practices. The U.S. Justice Department announced efforts to better crack down on reports of redlining. You guys not familiar with redlining. Redlining is an illegal racist practice that has discriminated against communities of color for years. The government is saying that they will prosecute those who continue to uphold it. According to news released from the Department of Justice, its combating red line initiatives will take various approaches to do this, including efforts to strengthen partnerships with financial

agencies to make sure redlining is better identified and referred to authorities and also increasing coordination with state officials to weed out potential fair lending violations. Rach, what is your experience, if any, with the process and the practice of redlining? And how do you feel about the U.S. putting it square in its crosshairs to get rid of it? Well, I don't have any personal experience that I know of with redlining. Would you know if you had been redlined? Would you know? Would you know if you had been lined, R-Led?

I'm lied. R-L-stined. I mean, I guess not. I mean, I haven't really applied for any type of loan, I guess, that would require me, you know, like in a certain neighborhood. I mean, you know, I'm just now house-house searching. Who knows? I don't know. They might have already happened.

I did not get an offer. You don't know. They didn't accept one offer that I put. I might have already happened. Who knows? I don't know. It's very true. But here's the thing, them trying to get rid of it.

Well, this was supposed to have been done back in 1968, right, under the Fair Housing Act. And here we are 53 years later. And it's such an issue that the Justice Department is involved in taking a big step into prosecuting people who are continuing this practice, which means it's still quite prevalent, 53 years after it was supposed to be completely done. I personally, well, I'm happy that the Justice Department is taking a step and saying that they're going to prosecute and really taking some action to make sure this stops. But I'm glad we're talking about it. And I'm glad it's coming to the forefront. Because when you have people who talk about, you know, racism doesn't exist or things are changing for the better. And then you hear things like redlining, which obviously has been around for a long time, but these terms are starting to be talking.

about and more commonplace where people are realizing that these things have been around for a long time, even maybe they didn't understand what they were. I'm glad we're talking about it because you realize how deeply rooted racism is. When people say the word systemic racism, when people make generalizations about black and brown people and they say that they're lazy or they don't try to do better for themselves, and then you find out that there's this whole issue called redlining where they literally would take a red line and circle or around neighborhoods that they wouldn't invest in, they wouldn't give people loans to it. You realize how much, how deeply rooted the struggle is for minorities to succeed in this country

and how the system is continually against them in every single way, in every single way, can't even grow their own neighborhoods, can't even do better for themselves in their own neighborhoods, trying to continue to keep us down and in the same place through the financial system through investing, it's ridiculous. And I'm glad we're still, I mean, I hate that this is still happening, but I'm glad we're talking about it. I'm glad the Justice Department is doing something about it. Yeah. So you'd hear from a lot of people that red lightning was ended in the late 60s or in the 70s. And certainly the overt sort of institution of the red lighting has in many ways, it's more subtly done now,

so it's not as overt as what it used to be, but there still continues to be in America, an intentional apparatus alive to hurt black people. So this is the interesting thing about what Rachel just said, and I know we have a lot of white people who listen to the podcast. They're white, okay? I want to talk to them real quick, because sometimes you may,

might hear angstiness in the voice of Rachel or of myself about some of these issues. And it sometimes may feel like we are fixated on them. It's very difficult to be educated as an African American, a black about these things and not feel a tremendous amount of frustration. And it's the frustration also sort of, look, what the Justice Department is doing right now that's fantastic. I'd still say that there's some other things we need the Justice Department to be working on and not saying that redlining isn't one of them saying it, you know, every time they give us something, I go, okay, let's just do something else. Let's,

let's really tackle the problem. Let's, you know, I just, I want this to be done with so much more gusto. But the reason why I want to be done with so much more gusto is because these things that happen, they're not accidents. And that's hard to live with every single day in your life. It's like it's hard to live with every single day of your life, seeing the wealth gap between white Americans and black Americans and know that it was done on purpose. Know that it's there for like a very specific reason. Know that there's a caste system that exists in America and we were put in a specific place. It's hard. It's hard. So I see this and I get, I'm like, yeah, they're going to do something about it. But I think to myself, God damn, man.

and then you go out into the world and you talk to people and they go, hey, listen, this is what you should do. And then you look at somebody who's white and they tell you that and I go, no, this is what you should do. Right. It's like what you should do. Right. And look at copper. Is that copper? That's not copper.

That's a different dog. You have a new dog? We've had them. We have them off and on. We co-parent this one. So what's his name? Brownie. Very creative names over there and then Lindsay.

No, don't say we didn't name him. My friend's child did. Okay, so I'm stick with it. Anyway, my point is this. My point is I'm reading a book right now, and I want everybody to read it. It's called When the Frame of Action was White. And it talks about America in the America right after the Second World War and right after the Second World War. And also, prior to that, the New Deal America, in terms of how social,

programs and government stimulation actually bolstered the white middle class in a very purposeful way to give them an economic and educational leg up. And all the government programs that were used to make sure that America had a functioning middle class and a functioning white middle class. And then another book I'm reading is about the suburbanization of America that really goes into great detail about how things were done purposely to make sure that Americans, particularly white Americans had a way to shine, had a way to get ahead. And every time we talk about black Americans,

we're talking about undoing a legacy of on purpose, intentional harm. So when you look at those diverging sort of attacks there, those diverging methods of citizenry, one people being, go out and get it. Here's some land. here's an education go everybody else i take your land i take your education i take your ability on a home so yes let's tackle redlining but also let's have a discussion about why it's damn near 2022 and we still have to tackle redlining yeah i want to start off with that just know that like we're not

nobody's complaining that's the whole CRT thing CRT is like it makes white people feel bad i don't know maybe white people should feel a little bad. Of course they should feel bad. Feel bad. But here's the thing. We ain't making you feel bad. We're literally telling you what's happening. Facts, giving you the truth.

And so we're not making you feel bad. We're telling you like it is. If you feel bad, that's not my fault. I hate that. That's your question. Is there a way to tell people? Forget about CRT and racism real quick. So I went, I have to tell you guys a story.

real quick, real quick story. I went to, I went to, uh, box and Anthony Anderson was there. You went where? To box. I went to the box and jump. Oh, to box. Okay. And Anthony Anderson, my friend was there.

Okay. Okay. This is a true story. Anthony Anderson, who's boxing at that gym because I used to box there. Well, because I boxed there and he saw me boxing. He asked for Phil's number. I gave him Phil's number. Anthony Anderson, great guy.

His son's a great guy. Love Anthony. Anthony sees me come into the boxing gym. He looks at me and he goes, What's up, Fatso? Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Are you okay?

That was tough. That was a tough one. I actually enjoyed it after because I'm like, hey, it's not a big deal. People look at me. They see me. They try to act like I look the same. I know I don't have to depend on me. But let me ask you this.

He says he's just. he's just keeping it real because he doesn't want me to get back to my old self. Okay, so he's giving you some tough love. Giving me some tough love. What's the difference between pointing out a fact talking about it,

making people feel bad about it, and just keeping it real? How do you keep it real without keeping it real hurtful? What's Rachel's way to do this? I think it depends with what you're talking about. Okay. Using the term fatso, That's subjective, right?

Like, who's this, you know, like, there's, there's measures to it. One person may see it that way. The other person may not. It's an actual fact that you did things that harmed black folks with laws, with, you know, whatever systems, whatever it is that you did. That's, that's true. That's history. That's present. That's like that.

You can't deny that. You can't argue that. It is what it is. I can argue. the term fatso. That's what he said. That doesn't necessarily mean that that's true. Well,

it's an actual fact. That's your opinion. I ate the cookies and the cupcakes. And I did the things to put on the 30 pounds that I put on during the pandemic. It's an actual fact. Your actual 30 pounds doesn't necessarily deem you fat to one person. You might think that you are bigger than you were before. But that doesn't mean that you're a fatso.

So it's just the fact that he used that term. Fats so. First of all, that was funny. Let's be honest. That was funny. First of all, who says fat so?

I know. That's what I'm saying. What's so fat so? I'm like, God damn, fat so. Not only did you fucking insult me. You think he feels the way he can say that because he lost so much weight?

Also, because he's my guy. That's probably right he felt that way. Yeah, but he didn't just diss me. He dissed me in like 1973. So, but look, I will say this, like, once again, and I do, I believe in this. I brought that up because it was good for me to feel a little uncomfortable.

I know everybody's doing a great job to make me feel comfortable. Hey, Van, you've been through a tough time and you'll get back. But it was good to feel a little uncomfortable. Like, hey, this is something that you want to work on. And remember that's important to you. I feel that exact same way as it relates to why. America where we talk about the black wealth gap or the black land loss or redlining or police justice or any of these things.

I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but you should feel bad. You should feel bad that these things were done on purpose. Not that you did them, but if we're all Americans and we're supposed to be on the same playing field in terms of how we live and thrive in this country, it's. should make you feel bad that in order to have your privilege preserved and instituted, that somebody else had to get kicked in their ass. You should feel bad about that. I have no problem with you feeling bad about that. Because I feel like feeling bad doesn't mean that you have to feel guilty, right? You're not saying you did it. Oh, I don't mind guilty either.

But the thing is, is like, you're taking it too personal if you're thinking that people are specifically blaming you. It is something that was done by your folks, but I'm not saying that you did it. But now that you have the knowledge and you understand what was done, you should only feel guilty if you aren't a part of changing it and making it better. And I think that if you feel it, if you feel it, then you'll be more, you know, I'm losing the word. You'll feel like you more so would do something about it. More enthusiastic, yeah, about helping out. This is what I want to do. I want to do something now. I know I'm always with the hair brain ideas.

What is it? For Parents' Day this year, I don't want to. to talk to our parents because I've cursed too much. I'm afraid to see the judge. For Parents Day this year, I want to talk to the parents of some of the thought wars. I want to get your old white parents on this podcast. They have to have been born in the 40s. If you have parents that were born in the 40s, I want to talk to them on this podcast, white and born in the 40s. 40s are before. And I just want to talk to them about how it works. And I want to talk to them about how it was and how they lived when it was just Bladen put your foot in a nigger's ass era in America. And I want to know if they put their foot in any niggas asses, it's their time for absolution.

They can come on here and we can, they can come on here and face off with me and Rach. Face off. Yeah, face off. They can come here and they can face off with me and Rach. And who knows, maybe they'll end up going to the soup kitchen. but it doesn't really matter because we'll talk to them. I want to talk to some old whites.

I don't talk to old whites anymore. Where's your neighbor? Oh, no, no. I can't believe you brought that up. Bring him on. I can't believe you brought that. He's got stuff to say. No, he doesn't.

No, he's not going to be constructive. It's going to be me. How do you know, the way you're talking about people, the people that you want to bring on, it doesn't sound like it's going to be constructive at all. It can be. What happened with my neighbors, I have to see him too much.

I'll see him. I kick his cane from out under him, make him fall. Um, uh, Kyrie Irvin. Oh my God. There was a protest at the Barclay Center. Did you see this? Um, a large group was outside of the Barclay Center demanding that Kyrie Irvin be allowed to play.

It wore shirts and they read and they had slogans such as stand with Kyrie and chanting let Kyrie play. The group included supporters of Donald Trump and people. with Black Lives Matter signs while another source claimed to hear a reference to the January 6th storming of the Capitol. You saw this video, Rach? I don't have many thoughts

on this. People have too much time on their hands. I mean, that's really what I have to say about that. Listen, Kyrie has made a decision for himself. People are respecting that. They're letting him take his time away from the team. Well, actually, not take his time. He really can't play. It's not taking his time away he can't play.

Listen, he's fine with it. peace was its decision. He's not asking for people to protest. There's no need for this. This is going to accomplish nothing. This is why I say people have too much time on their hands. They have nothing to do. You going up to the Barclay Center, is it Barclay or Barclays? Sparkley. You know I'm good messing up a word. Barclay. People who are going up there and doing that, what are you trying to accomplish? Because at the end of the day, nothing is going to come with this. Nothing. The rules are in place for a reason. Kyrie's accepted that. Please move on.

Please move on. I underestimated Kyrie's importance in the ecosystem. I don't know if it really, that's not, that's not what this is. It's not Kyrie's importance. It's the, it's the hill that he's standing on, right? You're not seeing it. No, I'm not going to play this game. Rachel.

No, no. One year ago, two years ago, people asked the question, what could bring America together? what could bring the black people who are black lives matter together with some of the same people who storm the capital people thought that a pandemic a vicious pandemic would bring Americans together but it didn't nearly split them up more I actually thought I look at this because when I look at Kyrie Irvin got Sean King saying free Kyrie Irvin and he got Donald Trump Jr.

saying that he got Tamika Mallory on his side and he got Candice Owens on his side. Kari Irvin is building a coalition that not even Joe Biden can build. What is Tamika Mallory saying? That's her boy. That's her whole boy. So what she said is like,

let leave that man alone. Carrey Irvin is a great guy. He's got her saying it. Then he's got Candace Owen saying it. Then he's got Donald Trump Jr. saying it. Everybody seems to be with Kyrie Irvin. Not everyone, but people from all kinds of different backgrounds. Kyrie is uniting people over vaccine fuckery.

The whole time, the only thing we didn't know, only thing we didn't have to make Americans get together and stand one shoulder to shoulder with each other like they did at the Barclay Center is refusing to take the vaccine vaccine fuckery is the way to unite I saw these people trying to break into the Barclay Center and I looked at it I'm like god damn that's for Kyrie there's a dark horse candidate in 2024 it's a dark horse candidate in 2024 for the nomination could you imagine a ticket Donald Trump and Kyrie Irvin is Donald Trump's

Vice President Trump Irving Trump Irving 24 they would win they would win Trump Irving the flat earth party I'm telling you right now

third party I'm just just look at my face I knew what you were going with this I knew where you were going with this you're just not open to entertain it I'm not going to entertain it you're not open you're not open you're closed off You're right.

I don't want to open up to this. I don't want to open up to it. I don't want to open up to this. Karee is the face of he's become a martyr to this issue. That's all he is. A lot of martyrs out here. We're about to talk about, we're about about another martyr.

A lot of martyrs out here. Just remember, I want all the martyrs. I want to say something to the martyrs right now. That's the name of the party. Yeah, the martyr party. Marder party. I want to say something to all the martyrs out here. You can't halfway martyr yourself.

You got to be with, willing to die. You got to go all in. You got to go all in. Like, you got to go all in. Okay. Like, Jesus went, Jesus did his thing. He didn't complain. He might, he had one little moment. God, why have you forsaken me? This hurts a lot worse than you said it was going to hurt. Other than that, Jesus was good. Dave Chappelle just talked. Um, he said he's open to talking with Netflix and poise about his LGBTQ jokes. Um, but he also, went on his Instagram earlier today and he posted some stuff on his Instagram.

All right. Now there's a whole video that Dave Chappelle is talking about what's going on at Netflix. Obviously there was a walk out at Netflix. And now the company, I wouldn't say they're in a scramble,

but it's definitely not copacetic at Netflix, wouldn't you say? Right, right, right. Yeah, there's some stuff going on there. And, you know, the Tetzarandos, who's the co-ceeo of Netflix, is in a bit of a pickle with his

employees, you know, a large majority of those, excuse me, not a large majority, a large number of them are asking to be heard in a very specific way. And his support for Dave Chappelle has made it kind of impossible for him to hear them out in that way. Dave Chappelle responded to it. I want to play one particular part of this. And I want to get Rachel's reaction and the audience's reaction to this as well. This film that I made was invited to every film festival in the United States. And some of those invitations I accepted. And when this controversy came out about the close of, they began disinviting me from these film festivals.

And now, today, not a film company, not a movie studio, not a film festival, nobody will touch this film. Thank God for Ted Sarandos and Netflix. He's the only one that didn't cancel me yet. Okay, so he has a movie coming out about the time that he was in Yellow Springs, and now the film seems to have been disavited to a lot of festivals. Okay. And this is because of the closer and all of the hubbub surrounding it. Do you feel in any way sympathy for Dave Chappelle that his movie may not get some of the recognition that it was going to get prior to his special coming out on that? Netflix. I do feel sympathy. Is that the question you asked me? I do feel sorry for.

Sympathy feels sorry. Yeah. I do. I do in the sense that the same way I do for everybody who has been, not everybody, but because there's some people who just totally deserve to be canceled for what they've done. But I think I do feel sympathy. I think what makes it hard is that Dave Chappelle is refusing, in my opinion, to hear the other side. And I know he has said that, hey, I'm open to talking with Netflix employees and talking with people in the community. But then you backdoor it by saying, everybody that I know that's in the community is okay with it. And I'm paraphrasing here, but that's basically- He said that on the Instagram, yeah. Yes, and that's what he said. And to me, that's very close-minded. You're just,

generalizing all the people as if just because some people feel this way, then all people in the LGBTQ plus community feel that way. And that's not fair. There's a huge section of the community that is offended and hurt by what you did. And for you to say some people, your folks are okay, but they know you. When you know somebody, come on, Vang, you know, we talked about personal bias on this podcast. When you know somebody, you can bring another level of understanding to it, as opposed to the public who just doesn't know you. And so for Dave to say that to me, it makes me feel like you still don't get it.

That's my big, that's my thing with Dave. I don't want you to be canceled, but I'm concerned that you're not, that you aren't concerned with what people are offended by. Not upset, offended. Okay. So how does that relate to feeling a little bit of just so we can tie the point? I'm struggling to,

To answer the question, I'm struggling because it's like I do have sympathy because I am of the whole thing. Like it's for some people, it's hard. It's like when you make a mistake, does it mean that you can never do anything again? I struggle with that depending on what the mistake is. I struggle with that. So that's why I say I do have sympathy for him. But at the other end, it's hard for me to have sympathy because of what I just said before. I'm torn.

I'm torn. I need you to be a little bit more understanding. I'm not saying you take it back. I'm saying to understand why people are upset. Something interesting about this. Like, so there's something that Dave Chappelle said on the special that sticks out to me. So let's say me and you are having a conversation or we're having a conversation with someone and we're talking about the whole situation in the Middle East, right?

Gaza, West Bank. Israel versus Palestine, whatever. The first thing I say to you is that Israel isn't real. I say, hey, in 1949, a bunch of the world government got together and they made up a country. They gave it to the Israelis. It's not a real thing. I don't wish them to be the victims of terrorism. You know, I don't wish there to be any war there, but it's not real.

Or on the flip side, if we said, hey, Palestine isn't real. world governments got together and they decided that Israel had their own country and we don't want them to be living in an apartheid state. We don't want them to be lived, but Palestine isn't a real thing. So the moment that you do that, the moment that you do that, that conversation probably is not going to go anywhere, right? It's probably going to become a conversation that's defensive. It's probably going to be a conversation that is acrimonious because the moment that you say

something is sort of invalid, then that opens it up to all kind of attacks. Dave Chappelle said in his stand-up, he said with his chest, gender is real. He said everybody that came through, everybody in this audience had to pass through the legs of a woman. Now, I don't think he really understands the difference between sex and gender and how sex being what it is is a reflection of physical traits, gender being a social construct

and all of those things. I think that maybe Dave could do a little bit more work to understand the differences in those things, right? Well, yeah, but not really. Because at the moment that you stand on a stage with a microphone and a message being blurred out to the whole world, you should know what the fuck you're talking about. And if you're parenting things,

that are used to minimize and oppress and persecute trans people, you should probably be held responsible for the words after you say them. Absolutely. Right, right. So what I'm saying is once you get on the stage and say that black people come from, that black people are actually monkeys, we pass the talking. Now you got to get yours. and so

and so my thing with Dave is this number one that's just something that struck out to me that he doesn't understand really what he's talking about he's talking about gender as being sex when gender is the social construct

that as I understand it to be and maybe I could be wrong too that trans people are actually trying to change and that they are actually confronting and defining for themselves I say that I say all of that to say this

if you get it that wrong and people are mad I don't know what these guys want Dave Chappelle saying hey my movie got disinvited to festivals that's what happens like sometimes I don't think people want free speech because free speech is free you say whatever you want they want something they want something different

they want white speech. What white speech is is the ability to say whatever you want to say in whatever way that you say it and suffer absolutely zero ramifications. That is what white speech is. It's not free speech. It's actually white speech. White speech means I can look, you're free to say whatever, but white speech means I can say it and then no one can do anything about it. There's no consequence. There is nothing.

I say whatever I want to say I do whatever I want to do cool no one can stop and if anyone stops I talk about how I'm actually the victim that's what white people do that is white speech it's not free speech it's white speech because free speech is

hey fuck you and then somebody else goes nah man fuck you so when I was listening to Dave Chappelle talk about the fact that his movie got disavited from festivals and I'm sure it's a great film what happened in Yellow Springs last year

was pretty beautiful and pretty amazing. I was thinking, you said what you said. And he even said in his situation that he said what he said. Like, why would you even bring up the fact that your movie is being disavited to festivals? You

expect people to eat shit and then laugh? Because he doesn't think he gave shit. Which is why I say, he does not think, this is why I say you say one thing, but then you're also like, but it's also this. You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth, your neck.

You're talking out, you know, that's the neck. It's the neck. It's the neck. It's the neck of the mouth. You're talking, like you want it both ways.

And that's the thing. I do not think that Dave Chappelle thinks he did anything wrong. And that's why he's saying, my movie got shut out from festivals because he doesn't think, he thinks people are overreacting and exaggerating. He doesn't understand.

understand why they're offended, which is why I say, okay, you said what you said, you meant it, you know, you stood by it. You don't think you did anything wrong. But you got to be open to listening to why people are offended. Not just your friends, not just your circle for people who know you. You have to understand there are enough people who are doing walkouts, who are holding their employers responsible for this. Enough people who are bothered by it that you should say, what is it that I did? And he doesn't want to do that. Well, he said that he would be willing to, I guess, talk to them.

But then he said, no. He said, no. He said, what the fuck am I doing? These are human beings to talk to the people that were hurt at Netflix. You're not saying them in that way. I know, I know. But I don't think, yes, he said he's willing to talk to them, but he also says he doesn't know what it would accomplish, which means you're not coming in to the conversation,

being open to understanding the other side. He is already like drawn a line in the sand You know and said this is how I feel I'll hear you but I'm not gonna change my mind Well then you're not willing to understand why people are bothered by it That's the that's what's making to me this so hard To accept his behavior on this And by the way the movie's still gonna be on Netflix

He talked about the fact that you know Netflix is still he's got He'll be fine just like yeah Nothing's happened but my point is that I want all of the martyrs to really get on that martyr shit I'm serious like really like it like don't have martyr don't who full martyrs for you who's a full martyr Colin Kaepernick Colin Kaepernick

I talked to I talked to Nessa this past weekend shout out to Nessa Um Colin Colin Kaepernick Colin Kaepernick like I mean, he didn't, he's not full martyr in the sense that, you know, he lost his life, but they took his career and he never got it back. Yeah. Like they took his career, he never got it back.

And Stephen A. Smith helped. Okay. They took his career and he never got it back. And by the way, like, there's been a lot of hubbub about that. But, you know, he lost the whole career. He lost the whole, he had to go do something else. He's producing television shows and stuff like that. You know, he had to actually go do something else.

Like a lot of people that are talking about I'm this and this, they still get to do like, don't get me wrong. Kyrie Irving can play basketball at any time than you wanted to. Yeah, he'd go to another team. Day Chappelle's movie is still going to be on Netflix. Yep. Just come on, bro. You said what you said. You know.

Okay, you are in Delta Sigma Theta. Why are we talking about this? Because we have to. You're a Delta. Yes, I'm a Delta. A proud member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated. You know what we should do? Before we get into this topic, can you tell people that might be listening what the differences are in the white sororities and the black sororities?

I mean, I'm not that well-versed in white sororities, but obviously there's a difference because we could, like, black women could not join. your sororities. And so they started their own. First one started in 1908. The real one started in 1913. It had to be said. No, no, no, no. But we couldn't, we weren't allowed to join. We created our own. I'm assuming that the white sororities stand for the same things that's similar to black, education, politics, service, things of that nature. But, you know, it's a, it's a community. It's a group of women that get together. And for us, like, we do certain things. to benefit the community to uplift women, to uplift black folks when it comes to Delta. Yeah.

So the reason why I ask this is because insecure has been on. Insecure came on. It's like an insecure debut. Everybody was going crazy on the Twitter sphere last night. And in this, Amanda Seals, I guess her character, I didn't see it. Her character, Tiffany, had an AKA shirt on of some sort. Yes, she's an A. She's an A.k.a. She's an A.k.a. on the show. Her character, Tiffany, is an A.k.a.a. on the

lettera letters on. This is frowned upon in the black sorority and fraternity circles. And the divine nine, as they're known, you don't wear the letters if you're not in the group. There was a little bit of talk about this with a lot of AKAs on Twitter. upset. This is how Amanda Seals responded to that. Check it out. I don't know why people keep asking me if I'm a soror. I am not a sororer. Tiffany is a soror. Tiffany is a character on a TV show. I didn't write the character. I played a character. I'm not a soror. I'm an actress. And I'm playing a character on a TV show. And I think reality TV didn't really got folks fucked up because You know, it's like, it's all the same.

But it's, I'm just playing the character. That's it. Y'all know that, though. But some of y'all don't. I feel like some folks really forget. She also said separately she's out. I would be honored to be a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha, but I simply am not. When I am Tiffany, I wear the letters with pride and regard and respect for those

who did cross the burning sands. Issa Ray also eventually responded to an upset user saying, oh shit, let me at HBO. Let me have HBO delete one of the upcoming episodes then hold on because apparently in an upcoming episode Tiffany's character is going to wear her AKA letters again or maybe Issa was just joking. You're a Delta.

If you saw a character in a show, who was not a Delta wearing the actual Delta Sigma Theta and not like some made-up fraternity or sorority like they do for some of these other movies would you be annoyed by it? First of all, I would like to acknowledge that this is the ACCA's problem.

Okay? It's a K.A.'s problem. Y'all got to deal with this. Not us deltas. No, wait a second. Now, wait a second. I want y'all to know something here. I want y'all to know something here.

This is how they do. This is how they do. Because remember when Kamala Harris made it to the White House, it was, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, when Kamala Harris made it to the White House, it was like, ah, it's all one big Greek family and we're all together. And I was telling you, I was like, I promise y'all, it ain't like that. I was on the yard at Southern University's campus.

It's not like that. now some beef is going on and it's not one big family it's the AKA's problem that's their problem it's the ACA's problem listen I know there definitely is the whole you do not wear letters because I've actually

seen people wearing fraternity sorority stuff that they got from like Goodwill and I'll be like how do you have a Delta shirt on you're not supposed to wear somebody else's letters but I don't really see it as that big of a deal to be honest I would like the recognition if there was a character playing a Delta, I love the fact that Delta Sigma Theta is being represented as a character

on the show. I have no problem with that on the show as a character playing a part. I think it's cool that deltas would be getting that type of platform. I love this does not bother me. So you have no problem. Look, I got to be honest with you. I'm not in any other organization so I really can't, but this is kind of stupid. Y'all, come on, man. Yeah. It's like it's not like Boosie when Boosie went to the shit and we'll talk about Bootsie here in the second two. It's not like Rabusi went to the game. And I was just sporting it. Amanda is playing a character and a show.

Come on, guys. The only thing I'll say to that. Yeah. Only thing I'll say to that is a Delta is, what a ACA ain't, what a Zeta want to be, what a Sigma Kank, what an alpha like, what a cap of love, what a Q-Saf, I can't get enough up. What's the next topic?

You love it. You want it to hop. You want it to hop a little bit. I did love it. I'm not feeling a lot. That shit got me all jammed up. Wow. I don't love Deltas, man.

I love Deltas. I do. Deltas are great. Let's take a break. Did you know about one in three people with plaques psoriasis may also develop psoriotic arthritis, which causes joint pain, stiffness, and swelling? Does this sound like you? Listen to what it sounds like to be a million miles away.

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to Lil Nas X? All I know is that it was, I just saw the headline that it was filled with homophobic and like he was cursing and all of that slurs. And I was like, you know what? I'm not even going to read into this.

Was I wrong? Was that not what it is? That's what it is. Yeah, I didn't even want, I'm so sick of Boosie. I was like, I can't even entertain it. I can't even read about it. It's the same shit different day with him when it comes to the disrespect that he has towards that community.

And Little Nas in particular. So just as you guys know the story, we're going to touch on it here. Little Nas X made an Instagram video where he trolled Bootsy and said that he was doing a song with Bootsie. Bootsie came back and said some things to Lil Nia's X, called him the F word, and then suggested that he engaged and suggested that he take his own life. That's what he said. Oh, my God.

That's what he said. The world would be a better place if he did so. So this is. is what we have to uh all right so we have to be real about this now it's very funny on the internet to uh to talk about little boozy's disdain for little nazex and anything that seems to be gay um it's becoming its own trope it's becoming its own joke we now have to address this in a very serious way not that we necessarily didn't before but i just want people to know that The suggestion that Lil Nas X take his own life is beyond anything that anybody in our culture should accept.

Anyone in our culture shouldn't accept this. We shouldn't deal with this lightly. We shouldn't deal with this in an understanding way. Right. That is gross, foul, ridiculous. abhorrent, any other adjective that you want to use to describe something that's particularly disgusting. And it shouldn't only be one voice saying this.

It should be every single voice in our culture. If you want to Boosie's O'Hays, if you want to Boosie's O'G's, if you're someone around him, I know Boosie's brother, I know other people who know Boosie, it's time for somebody to talk to him about the things that he's saying publicly regarding not just Lil Nas X, but the LGBT community. All right. I know I said it wrong again, but I promise I'll do it. LGBTQ community, okay?

Yes, there you go. To say that Lil Nas X should kill himself shows me that Boozy's not aware of. of how serious things are, because the unfortunate part of this is that a lot of our young sisters and brothers who are in that community are killing themselves. They're killing themselves because they believe what Bousi said. They believe that the world would be a better place if they were dead. They believe that there is something dirty, that there is something unholy, that they are they are something ungodly and that they are something not worth love. They think that's true.

And so they have no other choice in some of their minds, but to take their own lives. So black suicide rates have been on the rise for LGBTQ youth in recent years. They are increasingly, increasingly choosing that route. We should not do anything to normalize. To normalize, any speech that encourages that. We should normalize the speech. And to be frank with you guys, we should normalize the speakers. That's something that everybody and anyone

who cares about human life, who cares about human black life, should be completely disgusted with. I couldn't believe that I read that from him. I don't know why I couldn't believe it. But I did not think that he would go that far. Well, because didn't he at one point when he was talking about him performing

when when little naus ex was saying he was going to be on stage and naked and all of that and boozy says something and then people came at him and he made it seem like he wasn't serious did i miss in that what he said he said something like that but he was he always had a way to couch it or make it seem like he didn't care or didn't have he didn't have any sort of disdain for

correct his life and he didn't want to see anyone hurt he didn't want to see anyone whatever this was different this came with a different spirit and i think that's what so when i'm saying that because you're like i don't know what you're like i don't know why i'm surprised well to me i wasn't surprised that he had something crazy to say but i am shocked and i did not know that he talked about him taking his life like that's wild and i don't understand why we're not more i don't know if we're not more upset because we just don't really care about busy at this point but he still has a big enough audience and he still has enough influence

and enough impact where the things that he says are extremely extremely harmful. I mean, if he can go trending on Twitter for even though he's saying the same shit, it's a problem. There's people that are paying attention to what he says.

So I just don't understand why we we aren't speaking enough more out on it, why he isn't getting canceled. I mean, this is a person. Here's the thing. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Rachel. Go ahead. Go ahead. No.

So here's the thing. Bootsie came on and he said, cancel Boosie, there's a ghetto in every hood around America where they love Boosie. Do you see, do you see that, that point that he made? That's true. I know. I know. It's true. Here's the thing. That's a true point. You can't cancel Boosie. There's ghettos that Boosie been putting in work with around the world in America all over the place. You can't cancel them. But that's the reason why. Because Boosie and who he is is a main state of so many people, that's the reason why. That's the reason why, canceling him isn't what we need from him.

We need Boosie to be better. But you have to, but I have to believe that there's some kind of, we cannot tolerate that from him or from anyone. We cannot tolerate that from him. But you also have to accept a point that I almost feel like it's wasted energy at this point. There has to be another solution.

Boosey, this is who he is. He does not want to change. He's done this too many times where he has talked in a very disrespectful and harmful way about that community. This is Boosie. He doesn't want to change. And matter of fact, double down on it by saying, you can come at me all I want.

There's still going to be a community that supports me. So I think I don't want to say like go cancel him, but there needs to be people in the community that he is saying supports him and wraps their arms around him. Who else from that community can call him out on what

he's doing? Who can reach him? Right. So this is what I mean. It's not that I'm trying to guard anyone from being canceled. I don't really believe that cancellation is a real thing anyway, but it's not that I'm saying, hey, hey, hey, don't do this. What I'm saying is that the point that he's making about his reach and his stature in certain areas being what it is is probably a real one. And that's the same thing that when we talk about, when we talk about any of these guys, like a Chappelle, you can't cancel Dave. You can't cancel him. They've been doing what he's doing

for too long, Dave has a firm grip on being one of the top five comedians ever, if not being the consensus number one comedian of all time. You can't cancel him. He's too big. You can't cancel him. I'm not putting Boosie on that same level, but I'm saying to the people who love Boisey, you can't. This is why as a community and as a culture, we have to make these people better.

We cannot fail here. And when I say making them better, I mean, every one. There's nobody that has a voice that needs to come out and excuse in any way what was said. Nothing that Lil Nas X said warranted that response. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. My man, Charlemagne, said something all the time.

He says, you can't dictate the way somebody is going to respond to you. I've always disagreed with that. And it's true, but I disagree with the notion that it posits. The notion is that, hey, if I walk by you and I say, those shoes are ugly, then you can turn around and shoot me in the back of their head. And if I didn't want to die, I shouldn't have said anything. Well, that's just not the society that we live in.

We don't live in one of those societies. We live in a society where you're as responsible for your response to something as the person is that said it to you. And that's just the way things are. That response was ugly. That response was disgusting. That response was homophobic. That response was humanphobic. You don't tell a human being to take their own life. you just don't. And if you're out there somewhere right now with a platform and you're making an excuse to where's why one of our brothers should have said that to another one of our brothers,

then it's not boozy who needs to look at a mirror issue. I'm disappointed. That's Baton Rouge right there. That's somebody who I've seen and known for a long time. Not my best friend. I know his brother more than I know him. But I'm disappointed in a real way that I didn't think I could be, even more so than with the other stuff.

It saddened me. Very saddened by that. And I don't want anybody to think in any way that that's just how people in South Baden Rouge. That's how people feel. That's not. My city, not going to wear that. McKinley not going to wear that. We're not going to wear that.

That's one man talking his shit. There might be other people that agree with them, but not all of us, not in any stretch of the imagination. All right. Let's take a break. This episode is brought to by Viori. When it comes to clothes that score high and both comfort and style, Viori is my MVP.

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and a proper gun went off and in a proper way and it killed somebody on set there's a lot of more information coming out about coming out about that like as the days go by that we're getting more stuff apparently there had been some fucked up

safety stuff on the set in it of itself apparently things weren't going right yeah so like more than that there were other issues there were some other issues apparently that were going on on the set that's why that's a better

Friday topic because the news is coming out so fast on it. But also not the first time that happened. I don't know if you remember. You know Brandon Lee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Happened to him while he was shooting the crow. And he ended up getting a shot.

He ended up passing away at a pretty young age. It's just, it's sad. It's negligence. Like you just, you, I, I can't, it's like, how does it happen? How does it happen with all the checks and balances and the people that it has to go through? It's just so sad. that something like this had occurred. Like it could have been avoided.

It could have been avoided. So, you know, our hearts and prayers go out to the Hutchins family. I mean, it's, I can't even imagine what it is that they're going through. And I hope that, you know, no, I don't even hope. I don't even want to say that. Our thoughts and prayers go out with, go out to them. Now, in a pick-me-up story, did you see this group of fathers who started patrolling the schools there in Shreveport? I did.

Yeah. A group of 40 fathers in Shreport, Louisiana, are taking, interns monitoring their children's high schools to help prevent any further violence and to watch out for their children and all children's. A group named Dad's on Duty. They have T-shirts. They help students get to class on time. This was at a high school up there at Southwood High School in Shreveport. Well, there were 23 students arrested in September.

It's going down at Southwood. Jesus, Southwood. But the dads took into their own hands and began going to the school. They got T-shirts and they're rounding the kids up and they're helping them get to school on time. They're throwing in a couple of dad jokes. They're doing their thing. What did you think about this story when you saw it? I think it's a great story and I'm glad that it's getting national attention.

I love that the dads are stepping up. I love to see men step up and do their thing and say, you know what? We're going to be involved in not just our kids' education, but just also in and the third. social behavior as well. And I think, too, it also shows that, you know, like these dads can step up. They know how their children, not just behave, but like how they should be reprimanded at the same time. And I think obviously it's working because I don't think they've had any arrest since. The dads are very involved. They're obviously influential doing their thing. And they know nobody's going to look out for them like you're going to look out for your own. So I love to see it.

I'm glad this is making the rounds. I liked it. I like it a lot. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot because there's this um it combats a narrative that black men in some way don't care about their their children absolutely y'all lying all y'all do like to lie on black men just like tell a bunch of lies like black men don't care about their kids look at these dads man just black people no i'm talking about the black men see what you just did you took it off black men yeah like like no uh black but yeah you know these guys care i will say that my dad could have never done this though wouldn't have why wouldn't have It wasn't work.

This wasn't a work. Why, man? Because he doesn't have, my dad didn't have that type of patience. Like, my dad would go, okay, it's getting a little late. Go ahead and go to class. Nah, Mr. Lathen, you know, look, nigger. How you know they ain't saying that to them? They might.

I don't know. That's what my dad would have been like, look, nigger. And you won't respond to it. I told you to get your ass to class now. Like I said, they know how to reprimand them. They know how to talk to them. They know how to get them in line. You see they haven't been acting up since.

They haven't been. What was the one thing that your dad would do to let you know that he was really mad? Is there anything that one thing that your dad would you know, how did you know your dad was really pissed off? I mean, he would say, he calls me Rachel Lynn. Like when he's like just Rachel Lynn, like yells it out. Right. And if I would be upstairs and he'd be like come to the top of the stairs. Right. Yeah.

And I'd be like, what does that mean? Right. Yeah. Something not good. What was your thing? He had a couple. he had three. There was a holy trinity. One was look. If he gave you a real stern look, look like that. It was about to go down. The second one was one, I tell you what you do. If my father ever said, I tell you what you do. That is so bad. Okay, you know what? I'll tell you what you do. You take your motherfucking ass on in there. How about this? You talk about some basketball practice. Basketball practice your ass in there on that motherfucking room. Huh? Basketball practice. I'll tell you. what you do, you go in there and do that. Either he did that too

or if he took the hat off his head. My dad wore a cowboy hat at all times. My father wore a cowboy hat at all times. If the cowboy hat got removed from his head, oh my God, were you fucked? That's so funny.

And he would never snatch the hat off. He would just take his hand on there. He would tilt his hand to the side. And he would just take the hat off and he'd start blinking like this. as he got clarity on what he was about to beat your ass about. So, yeah, but now I love the story. I love the dads.

The dad's, the one thing that being a dad does from most of the dads that I knew, it didn't just teach you how to love your kids. It taught you how to love other kids too because you know that those kids. And so I saw the deal with a lot of love. I love those pops. I love those dads. Van's very serious question of the week is here.

Oh, we're already here. Okay. Yeah, we are. We are, unless you want to talk about Condoleez or ICE. No. I mean, I don't think anybody is surprised by the statements. Who's your favorite black Republican? I don't know if I've never thought about that question before.

Really? Do you have one off the top of your head? I do. Okay, who? Michael Steele. Okay. Oh, that's a good one. Michael Steele.

Can I take him? That's actually a really good one. You have to pick somebody else. No, you can't have it. Why? It's got to come back. Michael Steele's a really good one. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was going to say. Michael Steele's my favorite Black Republican. Do you? It ain't Condoleezza Rice. I can tell you that it's not her. Didn't we give her away in the delegation? No, I don't think we got. Look, would you want to give Condoleezza away? Are you anti-condoleezza? It's not that I'm anti, but if I gave her away is, did it, is it that she's because she's done so much for us? I mean, who would you, who would you get back for her? I don't know. Again, don't put me on spot. I got to think about this.

Would you trade Condoleezza Rice for Barbara Streisand? Straight up. Straight up trade. Condoleezer Rice for Barbara Streisand. It's like two different things. Doesn't matter. That's not what we're talking about. Okay, fine.

Let me ask you a question. Like, let's stay political. Would you trade Condoleezza Rice? This is your very serious question. Is this it? I don't know what you were going to ask, but I'm liking where this was going. Well, I don't want to do. do political because

if we do Hillary Clinton well here's what you're saying would you trade Condoleez or rights for Hillary Clinton straight up trade straight up racial trade Condoleez or rights for Hillary Clinton would you trade interesting

think about it crime bill Haiti I'm thinking about it Benghazi Benghazi come on man don't do the don't do the fucking Fox News talking points on here

all right I don't No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't like where this, I got to think about this. Anyways, Condoleezza Rice. I don't know if I'm a traitor for Hillary. I don't know.

Would you trade her for Maria Shriver? Sure, she's not problematic. Condoleezza Rice straight up from Maria Shriver. We'll take Maria. We'll take Maria. Last one. Would you trade in a straight up trade? Would you trade Condoleezza Rice for Martha Stewart?

I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know. I don't know. That one. I don't know. black secretary of state you know what I'm saying I mean that's what I'm saying Martha gets cool points because she'd be doing stuff I'm asking you like a black secretary

state for a white ex-con you know what the crazy thing is with all of the condolese right shit they were talking about it's really it's hard to give up a black secretary of state you know she was the secretary of state national security advisor you know what I mean I mean something these are titles yes they're titles they're there they're first there there's titles, but I mean, Condoleezza Rice says some things. She said some things about the insurrection. She said some things right now.

What she said about the insurrection? I missed that. She's like, we should move on. She said we should move on. We should move on. We should move on. I'm fascinated with that. With the Condoleezza Rice of it or the move on. I'm fascinated at the things that white people want to move on from. Well, she's black. She's,

Like I said, but I'm just, I'm fascinated in, let's say the right. I'm fascinated in the things that the right wants to move on from. Why? Because they want to move on for some really heinous shit. Of course, things, things that don't go well for them. That's what they want to move on. They don't want to talk about things that. How do you say move on from slavery?

It's just so funny. Yeah. It's like how you move on from that? You know what I mean? That's like, that's a tough thing to move on from. You can say that when it doesn't affect you. Ah, but it does affect them. See, people think that it doesn't affect it.

It does affect them. You can move up. That's weird to me. It's weird to me. All right, this is Van's very serious question in the week. Okay. Okay. Okay.

It was Drake's birthday. Oh, I mean. This past weekend. It's Drake's birthday this past weekend. You're in Joshua. You're in Joshua tree. Right. It's on another level.

All right. And Joshua tree at another level, barbitiots, hallucinogens, all the things. Uh, one celebrity that you could, if you could party with them on their birthday, easy question. Fans, very serious question of the week. Who would it be? Rihanna. Okay. You didn't let me finish the question.

Oh, sorry. Okay. It has to be somebody that you never, ever met before. Does interview and count as meeting them, though? Yes, it does. Of course it does. one celebrity that you never met that you think would be the most fun on their birthday

this is a great question who would be really fun that I've seen you're also saying that I've never met this is what's tough I get it I get it because oh I've met everybody no no they're all your friends I just get to interview them I'm not saying the friend thing

do you have your person do you have your person you said it multiple times already on this podcast I already know who it is who's your person My person is Leo DiCaprio Really? Yeah

Oh my gosh Who would be a good time Who would be funny This isn't fair I've interviewed a lot of people So what? I don't care So that's it's crossing them off the list Yeah so what

Maybe Maybe a lady Gaga Lady Gaga is a good one Lady Gaga. We both pick white people. I've been to be a lot of fun. Well, once you's named a white, I knew that it was safe for me. No, Lady Gaga.

If second serious question, there's a lot of white people out here and we get into them. And they end up having some inward tweets. We've seen this. Okay. Okay. It's true. It's like we, as soon as we see a white white, right person that we like, you look back through their Twitter in 2011 and this nigger,

nigger, nigger. Nigger, nigger. There's a lot of white people. It's just like nigger. Nigger. They say it. Okay. If you had to base the fate of the world on one white person having absolutely zero niggers in email,

in text, is there one white person that you just can't? You cannot, you straight up can't see them ever having said the N word. In a tweet or... In a tweet or whatever. There's one guy who I just can't, there's one dude who I cannot ever in my life. I got one. I know he might have said it like in a movie, but there's one guy I can't ever see in his personal life ever saying the N word. Who?

I got one. Mr. Rogers. What year was Mr. Rogers born? Hold on for a second. Let's look at this. Let's look at this real quick. Slash Tom Hanks. That's mine.

Tom Hanks is mine. So Mr. Rogers. Let's see, Fred Rogers was born in 1928 in Pennsylvania. Do you think that Mr. Rogers has ever said the N-word before? I like to think not. 1928 in Pennsylvania? Like, would you read his background and just like, I just, I don't, I don't think so. 1928 in Pennsylvania.

You know what Pennsylvania is? It's Pittsburgh and. and Philadelphia and then Alabama in the middle, although he's from Pittsburgh. What if he grew up in like a Quaker town? So he graduated from Pittsburgh, Theological Seminary, a bachelor's degree. Okay, see.

He's a Presbyterian minister. Okay. I think, I think I'm right. Okay, well, look, here's the thing. I'm going to go, you're going to go with Mr. Rogers. We're going to take a vote. We literally chose the same person, okay? Look who they picked to play Mr. Rogers.

Yeah, we're going to take a vote on this. I want this to be cut out. a vote. Who do you think has said the N-word more in their personal life? Mr. Rogers or Tom Hanks? I want everybody to vote. This is a boat.

Who has said more in-words? I'm not talking about Tom Hanks for a role. I'm sure Tom Hanks has said the N-word in a role. I'm talking about personal usage, personal time, N-word. Think about it. In their life, two people. Mr. Rogers is here. Tom Hanks is here. If you added up all

in words, who do you think is that? Remember, Mr. Rogers was born in 1928. Oh, no, no, no, don't try to discredit people for my choice. Because when I said Mr. Rogers, I saw you take a beat. You thought to yourself, damn. It is tough. That was a good one. But 1928, that's the nigger era. No. That's the era of nigger. No, that's the nigger. No, that's the nigger era. Tom Hanks is born a little bit later in the fifties. Stop trying to bring people to your side. 30 years of nigger in between them. All right. We'll see what the people have to say. Rachel says, Mr. Rogers is I say Tompick.

I personally think that Mr. Rogers, 1928. Stop seeing that. Oh, look at this. Mr. Rogers. I'm on Mr. Rogers' Wikipedia, controversies. No, there are no controversies. There are no controversies on his page because I bought it too. There are no controversies.

Mr. Rogers. Mr. Rogers was colorblind, so he might not even know when he was talking to a nigger. I thought that too when I read it. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute, hold on. Mr. Rogers was a registered Republican. That doesn't mean he was saying the N-word.

Wow. Doesn't mean he was saying the N-Wern. Okay, it's very true. But he was very independent in the way he voted. Very true. Very true. Okay. We'll see.

We'll put this to a vote. Mr. Rogers or Tom Hanks, who has said more N-words? in their personal life. You know what I mean? Think about it. Mr. Rogers since 1945. Okay. All right, that's enough.

That's enough. That's enough. All right. Take your thing caps off, but do not stop learning. We will see you guys again on Friday. I am Van Lathen Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay.

Bye, guys.