Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Malcolm-Jamal Warner and Life As a TV Legend

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

Van and Rachel react to the fear and confusion surrounding the Poland missile strike (13:22), before discussing the mysterious death of Shanquella Robinson in Mexico (23:49). Plus, TV legend Malcolm-Jamal Warner joins to discuss his journey from child actor on ‘The Cosby Show’ to Grammy-winning musician/poet (36:27). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Guest: Malcolm-Jamal Warner Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Higher learning is on and is I Van Lathen, Jr. And it's me, Rachel and Lindsay. Rachel, how are you feeling? I feel much better. Now, for those of you who don't know, I had the flu. Probably still do.

I'm still at all. I had two strands of the flu. A and B. Didn't even know that you could give two at the same time. time. And despite us putting out an announcement on Twitter, people were very upset that they didn't know. We didn't have a podcast. I apologize, guys. I should, you know, we'll do better make it an announcement. But as you can tell, this voice is a million times better than what it was on Monday. Man, you heard it. Yes, you immediately were like, no. No. Rachel, you get, you get, you get, I'm worried about you.

No. You get sick a lot. No, man, I have been 6th, January. I'm in 6th, January. I'm in 6th, January. You get sick a lot. Are you eating enough apples and shit? You eat apples? What? Not really. You have a very fragile voice. I do have a fragile voice.

My voice does get hoarse. But I didn't know I had the flu. And as I told y'all on the last podcast, I was going to be hosting a Cowboys watch party. Good thing you didn't come, Van, because I had a house full of people. And I was yelling at it. the TV. People stayed for hours after. We were having a good old time. I was drinking and I think

that's what just took me to another. Kicked it into high gear. Kicked it all the way into high gear. Gave me the original and the remix version of this, of the flu. I think you're sick because of the football you had to watch. Well, I'm sure that didn't help. Thanks, Van, for making me relive last weekend. What's going to go on? What's going to happen in Texas, man. What's going to happen with the longhorns? What's going to happen with the Cowboys? I'm not even trying to be a troll.

I'm just asking because I know some of my Texas fans are very unhappy. It's not like we didn't play a really good team. You know, it's not like we lost to somebody who's not ranked. We knew it was going to be a challenge going into that game. You're always talking about this ranked shit. You lost to TCU at home when you were favored it. Like, they should have won that game. But we should have won the game.

Yeah. But it's not like it wasn't a possibility. that we wouldn't win. I don't know. I'm out of excuses. I don't know what to say. What year is this for Sark? Is it two or three?

I can't even remember. And they're, they're, they're, they improved from last year. Yeah, they improved from last year. You don't have that much time in Texas. Like, they expect 10 season wins. They coach, three and out. Right. Charlie Strong, three and out.

Yeah, but that was different. Who was after him? Who was after him from Ohio State? I can't even think of Herman. Tom Herman. Yeah. Herman. Herman.

He was two. I don't even think he was three years. He was two and out. Yeah. Sorry. It's like you got it. You got to produce a Texas. We don't have patience.

And especially with the new quarterback coming in next year, which will be interesting to see because Quinn's really good. But it'll be interesting to see. He's not really good. He's playing. Okay. Quinn, yours. So you guys have a lot of quarterbacks down there that everybody thought.

So you have Arch Manning coming in. It's the story. It's the story of Texas. I can't. I can't wait for Arch Manning to pull. play so you guys can realize what's what's happened well they want a new coach with arch i don't know why would they get a why would they get a new coach with arch arch i can't i'm just telling you texas doesn't have the patience we shall see i would want sark to stay another year whatever we lost

cowboys lost definitely shouldn't have lost that game that was an embarrassment the only thing i can say is we were cold we were cold we didn't have zeke but not that that matters because paull it's I don't know. Vander Esh went down for a quick second. I don't know. I don't know. We're not to it. We're not hot.

I did the unthinkable to come do this podcast today. So I started playing a game of Madden. And I do something in Madden. Whenever I see like Lamar Jackson, like I get scared. They have him. So I like go overboard. You know what I mean? Like I'm like, uh, got a,

spy to QB and do all of this stuff. And this guy's just dropping dives. He was up 21 in the first quarter with Lamar Jackson with me. 21. Then he went up 35 to 7. Well, I scored in the second half. I scored in the second quarter. Then I got the ball back in the first possession in the second half.

And I scored, kicked it to him. He went forward on fourth down. I stopped him, got it back. I scored. And I had come all the way back. and it was time to do the podcast. And I had to concede the game to get on here. I was about to pull one of the greatest comebacks in Madden History.

I had his number. I had figured all his shit out. I was going to come back and win that game. And I had to cut the shit off to come and do the podcast. Wait. Were you playing against yourself? I was playing against, I was playing online. Oh, because you were like, you had, I thought you said you had.

had Lamar Jackson. No, they had Lamar Jackson. This guy had Lamar Jackson. So he had Lamar Jackson and I was. Okay. Disgusting. This guy had Lamar Jackson and, uh, and. It's a hot toddy.

And you're drinking a hot toddy. No, I'm saying that because you said playing with yourself. Like you're, you're, you're, you're. Okay. Let's, let's grow up. Let's grow up. Whoa, you're talking weird stuff. Um, shout out to Diallo Riddle.

brilliant, brilliant man, South Side Show, Sherman's Showcase. Diallo Riddle, amazing writer. Shout out to Diallo and Bashir. Diallo was going to be on the podcast on Monday, but Rachel got sick. I'm sorry, Diallo. So we have to reschedule that. Diallo will be coming up. I think was it on the first or something like that, 28th or something like that,

that's the first. It's the first. Rachel doesn't even know. Like, look, it's funny. It's funny when people think that, like, people don't understand. like the dynamics of the podcast. People don't, if people, if people only knew.

No, I'm not going to say it. What are you about to say? People only knew. If people already started. Oh, I'm the problem. Let's just say like this. It's 50-50. At times, I am the problem.

Donnie. Oh, it's just been a while. It's just been a while for you. At times, lately, it's been me. I've scheduled a flight, messed up the time. It's been me lately. I was sick. Heaven forbid.

Rachel did the podcast one day from a cave. in Afghanistan. She was like, she's on the side. She's like on the side. Like, you can hear people making airport announcements in the back. Some of us make bigger sacrifices. Some of us just put pause on a game. Some of us actually find a hole in the middle of the airport.

It's a podcast for the Thought Warriors. I love this. And I'm looking at it. And I'm like, damn. Because at first I'm like, because here, Here's the thing with me. I never, I have a thing, I never quit a game. Okay.

So if, my friend, my cousin, Rara, shout out to Rara. One day me and Rara were playing Madden and I just couldn't stop him. I couldn't stop him. So it got to the point, you know, he's talking all of his shit, he's doing his thing, it got to the point to where I was playing out of spite. I was playing out of spite. but also I was downloading information. I remember I lost that game some crazy big number,

but then I came back and beat them three times in a row. So I never quit. I never quit. I take my lumps. I have a good Madden record, so I never quit. I take my lumps. But in this game,

it was different. I had figured this son of a bitch out. He was taking advantage of the fact that I was scared of Lamar Jackson and I was over blitzing, playing too much man coverage. So he was just like Taking advantage of coverage busts And throwing over the top of my head

Then I made him start quarterbacking a little bit And I started getting in this ace Oh yeah But I cut that off to come through the podcast man I feel like you needed to say that So you feel better about leaving the game I was only down one score I know and you wanted people to know that

So if I stop him if I stop him again baby we And he was gonna be so I was gonna make this nigga quit the fucking game forever. It's like some, some, some chubby black bastard came back on me when I was up. Oh, I couldn't score. No, he can't see me. But he can feel that I'm fat.

I feel like now, I feel like now, I feel like now. I feel like now, people just know, you know. Like people say stuff on the podcast. They're like, man, man, breathing so hard he sounds nasally. That's because it's like blubber in my nose passages, you know, in my, throat. My throat is fat. So you can feel it. They can feel it on the other side. I know that they can feel it.

Did Brian get sick? How's Brian doing? I saw him in a suit on Instagram. Brian's fine. We've really been living separate lives since our month of November. He had COVID. He had COVID and then I now have the flu. He's good. He's good.

You think he gave you the flu? You think he... I am holding on to that. I do I think somehow whatever his COVID, it fell on to me as the flu. Down mutated. Immutated. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So when you guys are apart because of sickness like this, what happens? Like what goes on in a relationship? Do you order postmates or something? Wow. We're big postmates. We're big postmates orders, period. What does he order from postmates?

Because he got abs. No, no. He actually does meals. He uses this company called Factor. And he does. Oh, Jesus Christ. All right, let's move on. His own meals.

Or he does butcher box. But we've been separated. I do, I've been eating a lot of chicken noodle soup. Mm-hmm. Sold on the side. But it was sold on the side. No, with promethazine on the side. Whoa.

That's what they gave me. I'm sick. I'm really sick. Rachel, hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. Rachel, you got some promethazine over there? I do. Hold on.

How much permacine you got like? Hit me up. How much permacinthene? Wait a minute. They came me. Even the pharmacist looked annoyed when he had to give me the promatocene. He was like, do you have the flu? And I was like, yeah, they called it in for me.

I got the flu. I got two, two strains of it. He was like, okay, this is what you need to do. Yeah. When I looked at the bottle, because she didn't tell me, she just goes, oh, I'm going to give you a cough, something for your cough. And I looked and I was like, you gave me promatency. I'm going to come over that's a look. I'm going to go to the store.

I'm going to grab some jolly wrenches. And I used to use, I used to use, I used to use Fanta strawberry. I used to, I used to do frantic strawberry with the Jolly Ranchers. With the Jolly Ranchers for sure. You can't, my, you can't fuck with my mix. I just had the Fanta Strawberry. Maybe not. I never did Fancy.

I have to put it in there with their, put it in there, shake that some of the bitch up. And we're good, baby. God damn, it was the days. God damn it was, it was the days. Well, like, in Parson, Louisiana, They look at you crazy if you go there and you try to get some permissine. They don't want to give it to you. And he looked at me crazy.

Yeah. The pharmacist was like, mm-hmm. Rachel in there double-cocked. They called it in. I didn't even walk in with the written. They calls it in for me. That's what hot toddy. Hot toddy.

You got permitting in there right now? No. Rachel, you're on Lane? Oh, my God. I'm kidding. I don't. Rachel drinking Lane. Donnie.

Jump on. I don't. It's about the podcast. It's not in here. Donnie. It's not in here. Dony. I feel like we have to have an intervention for Rachel right now, man.

It's not in here. Rachel. Rachel. Yo thought warriors. Yo, you, your, thought warriors. Yo, your, thought warriors. Yo, your, thought warriors. It's Melbaugh, my God.

It's Melbaugh back time. It's Melbaugh back time. It's my mail back time. All right. Y'all don't even get the reference. Y'all don't even get the reference out there. Real Texas shit right now. Scary shit happened in the world,

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Restrictions apply. See terms at Fandual.com slash predict slash bonus dash offer dash terms. Uh, yeah, I thought it was over, Rachel. I thought it was over. It, us, stuff, people, stuff. yesterday trying to take a chill day I was on a walk I was trying to look at my phone a little bit less

and I saw a headline that said too dead in Poland from what seemed to be a Russian missile strike This was the entire danger of the war There was a thought that in this sort of protracted war between

the Ukraine and Russia, that people should be worried about one day just this huge, huge offensive against the Ukrainians, that this was going to, there's going to be some kind of exchange of nuclear weapons in there, the West would have to jump in, that much more likely scenario would be that even by accident, a NATO country, which obviously Ukraine borders Poland, would suffer some sort of attack or some sort of casualty. And then all of a sudden, Article 5 comes into play, all for one, one for all. The United States is defending NATO as if NATO is New Mexico or Texas and now all hell broke loose. So the moment that this was reported, Poland said that a missile had hit Poland, the Russian missile had hit Poland.

I was like, I need to know everything about this that I can. The Pentagon came out and they were like, look, we don't know what's going on right now. we don't have any clue of what's going on. But just to let everyone in the entire world know, we will defend every single inch, every single inch of NATO territory. Now we know Poland and NATO have said that the missile strike wasn't a Russian attack.

Did this have you shooketh? Were you scared? Two people died in this attack and we should make sure that their lives are properly remembered because even though we're not in the midst of World War III right now, two people are still gone forever, and that is the cost of this war, this illegal war of aggression that's been waged against Ukraine for the last eight or nine months. Were you afraid when you saw that this happened, Rachel?

I know people on Twitter were going nuts. Absolutely. I mean, this is, I guess, the escalation anxiety that we feared could happen with a war. like this. Russia seems to be very unpredictable. And I don't want to say that I don't want to at all, you know, I guess, tone down what's going on. I mean, this war has been going on for months at this point. But I would say that the media, at least here, hasn't been reporting on it in the same way that it has before. So I would think that it's, not think, but it's human nature that people have moved on and not thought about it in the same way they were when they did

when it initially happened. So then it's always, it's on our mind, but I wouldn't say as a forefront like when it initially happened when it was like, why is Russia attacking Ukraine? So then when this happens, it brings it back to the forefront. And this is what when this was reported, it's like, well, this is what we feared that Russia was going to start their attacks on neighboring countries, on allies of Ukraine. And we know that Poland has very well been. that. A lot of how the West has communicated and brought things through to the Ukraine has been through Poland. Poland has taken in a lot of refugees from Ukraine. And this place where this missile attack happened, well, where this missile landed and sadly killed two individuals was four miles

from that Ukraine-Polian border. So this is people's fears becoming a reality. So absolutely, I was terrified because it was like, is this the beginning? Where will this end? Yeah. So it's just that to answer that part of your question. Interesting is that for me, it didn't even have to be an intentional Russian attack. What happens if it's an accident, you know? And then you really, the way that works is the United States and other NATO member countries,

obviously Article 5 is it's the part of the NATO agreement that's, says, hey, one country goes to war, we all go to war. All of us, one of us, one of us is all of us. Okay. So that means that whatever Poland wants to do with that particular point, we have to fall in line and help out. And that's like that's what an alliance is. It's not like we can be like, no, they have too many nuclear weapons. If that's the case, then NATO and other alliances that we have like NATO, it would be total non-commonic.

A loss of confidence, should I say, in the U.S. ability to maintain friendships and help out and, you know, come to the aid of its allies. And you can't have that. You have to show strength. So I was really, really anxious about what's going to go on in this situation. Because even if it's an accident, you still have dead Polish citizens. And the countries have to decide how they want to rectify that or remedy that. For his, for his, for his, for his, of it. Zelensky, obviously the president of Ukraine, who's become quite the celebrity and the consequential world leader as Ukraine continues to battle and fight just honorably and viciously against Russian aggression, he doesn't believe that the missile was Ukrainian. says there's no doubt that his country was not to blame for the missile strike. Now, I will say this.

I'm sure that he believes that. He seems like a very honorable man. But I also, obviously, believe that he wants as much help and support in his, in the Ukraine's war with Russia as he can get. And obviously,

if people were to believe that the Russians were responsible for the Mitchell attack then the entire world the entire free world i.e. NATO comes to the direct aid of Ukraine. So I'm not saying that he's lying

by I am saying that he wants people to know just how dangerous Russian aggression is and how far they're gone. And you know, shame on us for having forgotten what's going on over there. Well, yeah. I was sorry I made to interrupt you No no no that's it I mean like shame on us

For having forgot what's going on whatever But you guys we're living in incredibly precarious times Where you have a major world power With An Armageddon toolbox Over there in Moscow That's just We're ever so slightly

On the brink Anything could go wrong It's not something that we're going to think about all the time But when you have a country like that that is, you know, threatening the world order, and I know that's a scary term for people because people think, oh, a van, a new world order. But the world order is, a part of it at least is, you know, you don't attack a country, a sovereign nation without having first been attacked. Now, I know that the United States broke that in Iraq.

But, you know, geopolitically, this is all incredibly precarious. is scary, scary stuff. And I think this is the first time that a lot of people felt in a long time, should I say that a lot of people felt that Jesus Christ, this could be, this could blow up and we could get to a point to where nations have to make real dire decisions. But I felt that. Secular. Make sure you think about that for a second.

But I think it's also important, whether this was intentional from. Russia or accidental from Ukraine, I think it's important to note how this is going to make the Polish government and people feel. They lost two citizens. And the Polish people have, this might have been, might possibly, and I'm sure, you know, from what I was reading, there seems to be a lot of exhaustion on the side of Poland. because so much, they've taken on so much in regards to this war. I mean, they've let refugees come.

The country has provided financial aid. And it's taken a hit on their economy as well. So the fact that they lost two of their citizens could even potentially weaken the commitment that they've made to Ukraine, which is so important what's happening in Poland, too, because, as I said earlier, the West has gone through Poland to provide effort. to Ukraine. So I think that it's also, you have to pay attention to how this is affecting that country because they were, whether it was intentionally or accidentally affected by this missile

in what's happened. And then becomes the fear of, okay, well, as them being a part of NATO, as allies, does more protection need to be provided to their borders? Because it's being reported that this was a Ukrainian missile that was combating a Russian missile because they're they're shooting 80 to 100 missiles sometimes a day so what needs to be done on NATO's part to protect Polish people so they feel more protected as they're giving so much to Ukraine what's being done for them so I think that's something important to pay attention to Poland but also other neighboring countries as well um all right all right you guys

hug each other world's a dangerous scary place Okay. A lot of you hit us up because we didn't have a podcast this week due to, you know, my flu sickness. And we've obviously been paying attention to it as well. But we have to talk about Chancilla Robinson, the tragic, horrific death of Chantquilla. If you don't know, on October 28th to celebrate one of their birthdays, Chancilla Robinson and six of her friends flew to San Jose. del Cabo or Cabo, San Lucas, in Mexico for a long weekend to celebrate this friend's birthday. Within 24 hours of Chancilla and her friends touching down, it was reported that Chankula had passed away. The initial reports of Chancilla's death were that she was found unconscious in her living

room, and it was due to alcohol poisoning. Her friends frantically called her mother. The authorities were also involved and also attributable. it to alcohol poisoning. But as the medical examiner got involved, her death certificate stated that Robinson had died from a, quote, severe spinal cord injury and Atlas luxation. And that is the loosening or detachment of her first vertebrae from the base of the skull. Absolutely disgusting. Now, her parents, her mother who received the call, the frantic call from her friends, felt that it was very suspicious under the circumstances

that her daughter had passed away. She's the one who stayed on the Mexican authorities, the medical examiner, eventually got that death certificate that completely contradicted the original findings or what was reported to her as to the reason that her daughter had passed away. Subsequent to that,

a video came out of Chancilla completely naked, fighting one of her friends while her other friends were recording this video, she was defenseless. The woman was beating her up, threw her down to the ground. Her friends are saying, Chancilla, why don't you fight back? Not intervening, not stopping it, just recording it

like they're watching a sporting event. And that's where the video ends. So there's a lot of outrage, rightfully so, surrounding this murder of chanquilla because that's what it obviously is at this point. It's not alcohol poisoning. Her face was allegedly swollen as well in addition to the spinal cord being severed and her vertebrae being broken from the base of her skull. A lot of outrage has also been at the fact that media outlets, national outlets,

are not covering this. and I don't want to compare one death to another, but a lot of people are saying when Gabby Patino was missing, every outlet was covering it. All hands were on deck. But with Chankilla, there doesn't seem to be the same effort

to discover not even just the reason, but who was responsible for the death of this young woman. I believe she was 25 years old, had a promising future ahead of her, was there with her alleged friends to celebrate, and within 24 hours of touching down, she lost her life. Van, your thoughts when you heard this?

So I have a couple of thoughts. Number one, we're not comparing one death to another. I understand that you were being sensitive by saying that. We're asking the media, where in the fuck are you? Gabby Petino is one thing. My heart goes out to the family of Gabby Petino. My heart goes out to the family of any of the many women that over the course of the years,

which is disgusting in and of itself that have been abroad and found themselves lost, killed, or otherwise assaulted, and it becomes front page news everywhere. All right. Now, Chakula's gone. Awareness and sounding the media alarm

helps put pressure on Mexican authorities and, quite frankly, authorities in the U.S. that might be curious about this to get to the bottom of what happened. So when people are asking why there isn't as much conversation or demanding more conversation about it, they're not doing it from an emotional place. There's a concrete reason why people want to hear the story talked about

because the more people understand it, the more people hear about it, the harder it is to ignore. And then if you can't ignore it, perhaps we get some answers as to what happened. sooner rather than later, which might help the family get some sort of closure. So we're not comparing deaths. We're asking, where is everyone? And that's a fair question to ask. I don't know what to believe, like, or not what to believe, or what to make of this.

This story has led me to do a little research. I think everyone has done some research. We've all talked about Femocide and how that's on the ride is rise in Mexico. Sobering, sobering, sobering stats. more than 10 women are killed every single day in Mexico and tens of thousands are missing. The rate of feminized, which is killing women,

specifically because they are women, because of their gender, is on the rise in Mexico, has been on the rise for years and years and years of years. 70% of women over 15 have said that they've been the victims of some sort of violence. So this is a big deal. So you look at that and you say,

well there is an epidemic of this in Mexico and Shaquilla could have been the victim of how danger it is to be a woman in Mexico that could have happened. But at the same time, the situation with her friends, the violence that they were taking part in,

the fact that they left and came back from what I understand, right? Like the friends left and came back without her, this is weird. I'm not looking at, to finger anybody for for for for any particular uh crime that they might have committed or might not have committed but obviously seeing that she was involved in a

violent encounter naked with everyone else like taping it watching watching yeah right before she she passed away is just insanely sad enraging and really really suspicious and peculiar so I'm for I'm just wondering what the fuck happened to Shankula. Like what happened to her? Well, even on social media, and this is allegedly, but from what I've seen on social media, some of the people, the friends, alleged friends that were involved are speaking out and only saying they'll speak out to the highest bidder in regards to an interview. It seems to be very reckless and just disrespectful in the way that they're hands.

handling the death of their alleged friend. But it also highlights this issue of not caring about black women. You should have read this story, watched a social media video, read a headline, and been horrified by what happened to Chancilla. And honestly thought that this could happen. You know, you've been told you should be careful about who you travel with. but this you never know what people are plotting against you you never know who's for you and who's not we don't want to be too hasty by putting Rachel's faith we want to make sure that we're responsible

I'm saying alleged yeah but I think it brings on the bigger conversation of when you're traveling especially specifically out of the country with friends you have to be careful allegedly fine but what I'm saying is I guess the bigger picture to not be so specific, if you want to be careful in regards to that, and I understand that, is that there is a black woman who's dead. There's a black woman who's dead under very suspicious circumstances. There is a black woman who allegedly died from alcohol poisoning, but her death certificate, and now that her family has the body weeks later, it totally contradicts what they were originally told. So there's a black woman who is dead, and things are not.

adding up. And people need to be outraged to the point where they're at least trying to understand and figure out what's happened to give justice to Chankilla, if such a thing even exists, and give peace of mind to that family who lost their child or sister, daughter, niece, friend. And they aren't, and as on a national media, from a national media perspective, they're not as concerned. So if nothing else, that's something that needs to be called out. Interesting shenanigans from the State Department here as well. When the news first broke, Queen City News reported that the U.S. State Department, this is according to Yahoo, said that there was no clear evidence to suggest that she was murdered. Rolling Stone then

followed up with the State Department, who didn't comment on whether or not her death involved foul play, but referring to her. Rolling Stone to Mexican authorities. That's peculiar to me. Sounds like they're punting. Well, that's, in my opinion, a definite punt. Obviously, if you want more information, the investigative agency closest to it is going to have that information.

But whatever information that the Mexican authorities have, the State Department should have it now. They should be sharing, this is the death of an American citizen, a suspicious death on vacation in a friendly neighboring country. There's no information that the Mexican authorities should have that the State Department shouldn't have at this point. That tells me that they're not being quite vigilant enough with what it is that they're trying to accomplish, which is tell the American public what happened to this black lady. So we don't have. The video is damning enough. The video is damning enough for you if we do more.

The video is damning enough because it injects violence into the situation. We don't have any more information into this except what we just gave you guys. But we hope that we have a better understanding of this as it moves forward. And I just can't imagine anyone can't imagine anyone trying to get a come up off the death of their friend. Like, we, look, I haven't seen that. You've seen it. I haven't seen it.

I'm not saying it does, if, if it is happening, God. Damn, man. God damn, bro. Fuck. We got Malcolm Jamal Warner coming up next. Let's take a moment. Just real quick. It's a very troubling story.

Heart goes out to, The family of the young woman. Everyone who has to move on in their lives without her right now. It's a very troubling story. Let's take a moment real quick. Take a breath. We got Malcolm Jamal Warner talking about a lot of things on the other side of this. He's got a brand-new album.

He's out now. It's nominated for a Grammy. He's already won a Grammy. We're going to talk to him about that. How he's maintained his longevity in his career. How he did not fall victim to the curse of the child star. and also obviously a little bit about his time on the Cosby Show and what the Cosby Show means to people now

and maybe what it should mean to people now. Malcolm Jamal Warner on the other side of this break. A fantastic interview. Stick around. It was a longer when the brother gave us a lot of time. We'll get to that in a second. You guys, this episode is brought to by WeatherTech. Everyone knows Winter is the MVP and make it a mess. You don't need Weather Tech floor liners in the summer

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Right? I've been following his life since I was a kid. Like seriously watching him, he put on the Gordon Gartrell. I'll never forget it. Wow. This guy's a piece of television history that we have on the show right now, actor, producer, director, musician, poet.

Michael Jamal Warner joins us today on High Learning. Yes. Hey, you guys. The first question I'll ask you. First of all, thank you for joining us, brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you hear people talk about you like that, like a piece of television history,

like you can't tell the history of television without showing your face. Yeah, sure. That's good. What is that like for you? Yeah. It's dope. I'll start there.

But I think it's also, it's a way of life, you know, it's almost like it is what it is because I was, you know, from 14 on you know, I've been a part of this iconic cultural

phenomenon, if you were, right? So with that, you know, that's been a great blessing. There are, I think for me there's also a certain, you know, responsibility that comes with holding that space you know my whole thing has always been

ever since you know coming off with like Cosby has always been you know making sure you know I was like I can't go from that show to go doing bullshit right so yeah so there's a there's a certain responsibility that you know for me

I have I've had to take it in terms of you know I'm very specific I'm very clear that I have no interest in doing roles that perpetuate negligent stereotypes of our people. Right. Work. Which means I don't work as much as, you know, I think I should.

You know, I think I've been, you know, I've been able to maintain a wonderful career post-consby, but, you know, a lot of that has come with being, you know, meticulous about, being very mindful about the kind of roles I do. And as a result, between, you know, gigs I go out for and don't get. And gigs, I turn down because I'm not trying to, you know, perpetuate certain images of us. I go through periods of unemployment, you know, a little longer than I'd watch. Yeah. You know what's funny about that? I remember one time I saw Malcolm and something and I was like, oh, my God. So, way before Jamie Fox, Way before, what's your man from Moonlight, Tradavius, Trevante Rhodes.

Michael Jai White played Mike Tyson. Like for an HBO original movie, which you guys, is a really good movie. Yeah. Michael Jai White played Mike Tyson. What, it must have been like 96, 97? Yeah, about 95. 95. Yeah.

So he played Mike Tyson. And in the movie, Malcolm played one of Mike's friends from back in the day. And they was kind of on their hood shit a little bit. And I remember watching the movie be like, oh, my God. The deal has changed. Do you remember that role, bro? I do. Yeah.

Yeah. And I remember, you know, I love being able to do that role because it was something, you know, it was so different for a costume. and this was, you know, this is pretty often, and so I'm, like, really coming off the whole Theo thing. So to have the opportunity to do that type of thing that was so different, like, I needed that, not just from my own acting work,

as in terms of my own craft, but I also needed that as part of my body of work to show that there is more to what I do then, just Leo. And because that role was based on, you know, worry, you know, Mike's best friend, it was, you know, in the context of, you know, playing somebody, you know, real. So when Van introed you on here, he said you're like family, which is so true. We've had this discussion on this podcast.

I've never related more to a family on television than I did, the Cosby's. Like that was my family. So for you, and you talk about this responsibility, how would you say that that show redefined or maybe just defined public perception of the black family in America. Yeah. I mean it was I mean it's it did obviously it did that.

That's what I said. You know the thing that made that show all that it was right? All of the things, all of the stereotypical things that you didn't necessarily see on that show was because Mr. Cosby was creating this show. show. And he and NBC always kind of were, had a difference of perspective. Because while NBC

thought, okay, we're doing a show about this upper middle class black family, Mr. Cosby was like, no, this show was about an upper middle class family that happens to be black. Right. So when you think about it, it's really the first, you know, black sitcom on television where the, the humor was not predicated upon being black. Right? The humor was predicated upon like a human experience. So I think that's, you know, that's one of the key things and why that show was different. Whereas now, even, you know, Post-Cosby,

we may have, you know, black shows on TV, Black Rose where they up the social economic class, right? But the execution is still kind of stereotypical executions. They just have professions. So, so I think that's one of the, reasons why how it reshaped how people, you know, saw black people because, you know, this family was very clearly black. You could sell by the dress, by the art, by the music. But it was a show everyone could relate to because it was about a, the human family condition as opposed to the

black family tradition. And that turns some people off. There were black people alive before. Black people don't really live like that. You know, that's not real. But the fact that, that there has always been a black middle class, right? Throughout history is with the black middle class. Or if you just go, you know, as recent as, you know, Cliff and Claire's generation, right? You know, so many of their generation were the first in their family to ever go to college. Yeah. So their parents were going to make sure they were doctors, they were lawyers.

So, you know, this life that, you know, people wanted to say didn't exist. was really because they weren't exposed to the reality that these people do exist. So long answer to... No, that's a great answer. No, yes. I'm going to come back to... Because I want to talk about...

You're nominated for an Emmy for outstanding supporting actor. You won a Grammy with my man, Robert Glasper. Yeah. And Lila Hathaway. You're with all of my friends, and we don't even know each other. So if you're doing some great... some great work and your new album you have coming out hiding in plain sight. We was nominated for another Grammy.

Yeah. This is your congratulations. Like you're all the amount of many talents. I want to ask you about something. Yes. Recently, Aaron Carter passed away. And the first thing that I thought when Aaron Carter passed away was how he had been a child star. He had been a child star.

obviously we know that there is a long list of child stars that for whatever reasons could not adjust into either life after the sitcom ended or adult life period. Yeah. And we've seen that really with a lot of your contemporaries, you know what I mean? People that were on TV at the same time as you were. And then people after, and to be honest with you, people just before as well, you know. Yeah. Why didn't that happen to any of the Cosby kids?

It seemed like everyone turned out to be, you know, really well adjusted. Like, and brilliant people, Eric Alexander, brilliant. You know what I mean? Like, like, oh, Raven Simone. You know what I mean? Everybody, yourself. Vanessa had a, she had a talk show at one time. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. So Tip is blessed. So all everyone together, it seems like Keish and I pull him, you know, when I was in college, she changed the image a little bit and we loved it. But I'm like, God damn, Rudy. But like, but King Magazine, huh? King Magazine. I'm like, shit. But everybody turned, everybody turned out, why? Why is that Denise? Like, everybody. Obviously, she's her family now. Is Lisa. Lisa. Bonnese, she's got her own multiverse of beautiful light-skinned people. So why did that happen? Why did everyone from the Cosby show turn out anything? Is there anything that in a DNA of that show

that made that possible? There are a couple of things, man. I would start with our parents. Right? Our parents was very involved in our lives. Actually, I go one before that. We shot Cosby show in New York

as opposed to L.A. So we were already removed from Hollywood and so many of like the Hollywood stuff. So when you grow up on television and Hollywood, your best friend is on the same lot as yours, you know, the next stage down, working on their television show. So there becomes this insulated way of growing up in Hollywood

when you kind of you're a little bit of from reality but then the world you win is kind of a you know fuck the world in itself you know so it's just

so we did not have that experience like our first studio was in Brooklyn Avenue Avenue in these 14th Street was Jewish neighborhood there was no commissary so at lunch we had to go out into the neighborhood and get our food wherever we're going to decide we're going to eat

So just that like that kind of experience or growing up in New York where people don't care who you are. Right. In fact, you can get played in New York because you're on some, do you know who I am? Yeah. So the world with which we grew up during that time kept us in a very reality-based focus. you know, because of course, New York, you believe in the dope as high rise, you walk outside and you're faced with hardcore reality. You don't get that kind of going up in L.A. in Hollywood. But then also, like I said, our parents were very, very present and very much, you know, if you look at, you know, young people who kind of go by the wayside or whatever, you have to look at their parents first, see where are their parents.

Like who are the, if the parents don't serve as the guidepost for the kid, then there's so much room for them to go off path. You know, my mom told me, I was 14 when I was 14 when the first hit, and, you know, when the first hit the numbers were like out the box. And I'm 14 and my mom was like, yo, baby, it's great that this show is the phenomenon that it is, but this show could be over next year. What are you going to do when the show's on? she was like, I can type, I can always get a job. What are you going to do when this shows me? So, you know, for me personally, she had already impressed upon me this concept of longevity, this concept of life after Cosby.

And between that and being in New York, you know, grew up with a very real perspective of, you know, who I am, you know, how I navigate through this business, how I navigate with a soul you know my dad my dad was good for that helping me

you know to keep my soul attack he set some really good foundations you can't you can't be named after Malcolm X and Amad Jamal

and be about dumb shit yeah I fuck over that legacy yeah my dad's my dad set me I was I was 15 when I figured it out and I called my dad

I was like yo you set me up and he just laughed right right He just laughed. He was like, okay, I get it. I get it.

This is what, you know, this is the legacy that I have to, you know, not just have honor, respect and reverence to, but I also have to hold that responsibility. You have, you have, in your namesake, you have your own legacy, but that legacy, but you've created your own legacy in your own right. I mean, as Van pointed out, you're nominated for best spoken word. poetry album for this year hiding in plain view. You direct. I had no idea that you directed new editions any heart rate video, which I love.

You asked your poet as I just, yes, he directed. He's in the video, right? I know he's in the video, but he also. How do you not know that? Yeah, that's why I was in it. Because I directed it. But yeah. But you were in.

Yeah. So just so because you don't know that, I got to tell you. So my first two big music videos was new additions, Any Harbred, and special ed, I'm a magnificent.

Those are big, you know, big direction for my first started out director. I actually got, I got in trouble. I think it was fourth and fifth grade because me and my man, Drico,

shout out to Driko, we switch shoes, right? He had one shoe on, and then I had the other shoe on. Like they, like they had, like what they had?

It was golden black? No, it wasn't golden black. I had white sneakers on. He had black sneakers on. And then I was like, yo, give me one of your sneakers. And we was new addition. Like, oh, from the video, it's so fucking hard. Okay, go ahead.

Go ahead. Finish. I'm sorry. I know you direct, but I had no idea you were behind that video. You act. You're a poet. You're a musician. As we see the guitars behind you, multiple guitars behind you right now, of all the things

that you do, what is it that you enjoy the most? And why? why. Man. That's kind of like, which kid is your favorite kid? That's nice. Some parents can probably answer that. Yeah.

They're like, I love them all because like it's like I think I was probably around 30 or so where I realized, oh, you know what? I'm an artist. Like I do all of these things. And one of the reasons I do all of these things because I think I was about 23, a couple years after Cosby, no, about a year and a half after Cosby was done.

You know, I'm in between gigs and I'm pitching, you know, directing stuff and whatnot. And at some point, I realized, so I was acting indirectly, I was like, if I keep my eggs in just these two baskets, this business is going to break my heart. So I set out to find other creative avenues of expression to keep me creatively fulfilled in between acting gigs,

to keep me creatively fulfilled when the passion becomes a job and all of the things that come with the territory of having a job. No matter how much you love it, there are things that get in the way of the joy. So my thing has always been, I've got these different avenues of expression

available to me. and let me use them because I need them. Like, my acting career needs my music outlet. You know, because what the music business is, you know, my music career needs that. Right, right, right. So they all feed each other and together they all hold me up. I have to ask you this.

Is Bill Cosby still a hero to you? Damn, man. And let me tell you why I ask you. Because on this very podcast, we've talked about just having gaping holes in our childhood. And what it would mean to extract the Cosby show. You know, my father went to Southern University. I went to Southern University as well. but I learned what a HBCU was, not from my dad.

I learned from an HBCU from the Cosby Show. Because somebody's wearing a Hillman sweater. And then I go, what is Hillman? And my mom goes, what's they probably mean, spellman? It's a school. It's like, you know what I mean? She's like, it's probably a take off of that. But like, it's a black school.

And I'm like, oh. And she's like, your dad went to a black school. Like my mother went to LSU. My father went to Southern. My mother went to a black school. Southern. That's the school for all. And I was like,

And I just put it together my mind. I was like, yeah, every time I go up on the yard, I don't see nothing but black people. You know what I mean? So there's so much of my, of culture, my brain was molded partly, so much due to the creations, the narratives, the stories that came out of that show. It was a major, major part of my childhood. But obviously, we all know what's happened subsequently. So for us, it's a question that as consumers we litigate, but for you, as someone who had your

entire life changed. I guess the question is, is Bill Cosby still a hero to you? Right. So, so that that question that question assumes a hero perspective.

Okay. Right. So I worked with him, right? And also on my last records called Self-Prin's I'll be in his record with me and Lettsey. And the song's called Brand New Day. And my very last line of that joint is,

I'm holding out for an iconic love like Cliff and Clear. Oh. Right. So that's Cliff and Claire, not Mr. Mrs. Cosley. Right? So while there was this father figure to the world, right? This was someone I worked with. This was a colleague.

This was Ennis' dad. It's the guy I see every day. This is a guy I see, you know, passionate out with the writers every single week because, you know, they're writing something that's not what he set this show out to be. You know, this is a man who schooled me a lot in terms of business. But he wasn't my father. Right? Like my father, my father, I'm 52 years old, my father still chases me on the lips. Word.

Right. So it's a very different kind of relationship that I've had with him, very different from America's relationship. Hmm. If that makes sense. Yeah. It does make sense. No, it makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense.

I'm going to switch it over to Malcolm and Eddie because I just learned. something. Van, I don't know if you know this. And this could be something that just resurfaced because you know how social media is and they bring up old stuff. But with Malcolm and Eddie and you and Eddie Griffin, I had no idea that Tupac was considered for the role of Malcolm. What? Malcolm did this. Okay, I'm looking at those face. You had no idea. I know not of which you speak. So Eddie was doing an interview and it was on something.

And was Eddie joking? Now I'm like knowing, not that I know Eddie, but from what I know of Eddie as his person. Is he joking? But he literally was talking about that Tupac was up for this role and that it wouldn't have made sense for him. him to have Tupac in this role as Malcolm. Was this real? I've never heard of that.

I know not in which you speak. You and Pock never talked about that? This was real. You and Pock never talked about that? Yeah, we didn't remember about that. Okay, since you didn't know about that, let me ask you this. With, going back to piggyback on, a van was saying, I'm curious with everything that's going on.

Have you stayed close to your castmates from the Cosby Show? Me and Keisha are, that's always been my homie since she was four years old. She's still my homie. We both live in Atlanta. Our daughters are a couple of months apart and love each other. Oh, wow. Which is so surreal. Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, it's crazy. Oh, it's so crazy. That's crazy. And so it keeps the one I talk to the most. Me and Lisa, cool. You know, whenever we talk, we don't talk very often. But when we do, we're always, we'll always do. And I used to talk in Cempast a little more, not so much.

And then Felicia, you know, sometimes life just gets rough. I just got to call Felicia. If you like, how do they feel about people that say, take the show off the air and don't want to watch? the show and all of that. How do you guys feel about that? We don't even talk about that. Word. We don't even talk about that.

No. No. Like our, you know, we are, we're so far removed from the show. Yeah. So, though we may talk about it publicly,

I think Tisha and I had one conversation about, and that's because I had to call her up and bid her up, because I did her up, because I did. some interview my last record I put my last record in 2015

I couldn't get any interview I could get no coverage on my record unless I agreed to ask at least one question about the concert right so I'd wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait they told you that before yeah yeah like my publicist

could not could not book me any press unless they wanted because this was like in the height of so they also they so oh so Oh, so you, but you would say to them, you would say to them, I don't want to talk about it, or they would say to you.

Yeah. Oh, my public said, you know, I have my, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Give me gigs and, you know, they're like, well, you know, you know, we're going to want to ask one about questions about cons. You're like, no, okay, well, no, thank you. But it was that kind of, as I'm trying to, as I'm trying to promote my record. That's what it is.

So I do this interview with, with what's AP, we do 25 minute, and if you talk about the music, They're talking about. I'm acting. Like, it's a dope conversation. The last question she asked is, do you think, you know, what's happening with the Cosby now has tarnished the legacy of the

congressman? And I said, well, of course, it's tarnished it because whenever we see, we have images on television that perpetuate negative images of people of color. We always have the Cosby show to hold that, you know, to juxtapose against that. And now that the show is taking off the air, we no longer have that.

The next day, the headlines read, Malcolm Jamal Warner says the Cosby Show legacy has been tarnished. That's the headline that ran across the wine. The interview that's supposed to be about my record. That's the headline. So that's the thing. Then Keisha is on some talk show and they ask her the same question. And she's like, no, the legacy can never be charmed. So there's a whole generation that went and got higher education.

because of that show. You can't take that back. There are people who are out who have loving black families because of that show. So, no, you can never take. You can't take that back. You cannot punish the legacy.

So I saw that, and I hit it up. I was like, yo, I'm biting that. Whenever somebody asks me, I'm using this shit. That's the only time we've ever, like, discussed it. It's not a part of it. of our conversation. Did you ever want to rap?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. That's how became a poet. That's what I'm saying. Because you was because like when y'all was doing, that was the goal. You were there for the explosion of hip hop. And I see that you're a poet.

What would have been like if in like 89 or 90, 91, you'd have just I don't know, you'd have got with the bomb squad and just got on your public into me shit and just dropped a whole wreck

or just you and Cockroach you and Cockroos together man man man no I so my band is called Miles Long right so okay listeners if you go to Spotify or Apple Music

if you type in just my name you'll get like features and collaborations but you hear like my catalog of music it's Malcolm Jamal Warner's Miles Long Miles Long Miles Long was actually the name of my first rap group.

So in 89, Miles Long was a rap group, me and two other cats. I was up in Russell's office with his old ass demo tape. Like, yo, your Russ, it's conscious. It's like, yo, you got to hear this, man.

Or some De La Shole type shit? It was not that good. Okay. You're honest. Not that good. But it was, but it was, it was on some, you know, the DJ, you know, producer. He ended up going by Frankie Knuckles. And Russell trashed the project.

But he ended up fucking with my man. Because Frankie Knuckles is a legend, right? You know what I'm saying? So, wait, so you go into Russell's office. You got your group with you. It's just you. It's just you. You give the demo, and Russell doesn't like the music,

but he ends up getting with Frankie Knuckles, who's now a legendary DJ. He liked the music. He thought the music was cool, but he just didn't think that, you know, the rap laying was for me. You know, and, and I don't remember what his exact words were.

I don't even know if he was going to talk about the imaging, but he was just really like, you know, it's cool. It's a cool idea, but the skill set isn't there. I'm paraphrasing, but he was like real. Like, you know, skill set is not good. So is that how you got in a spoken word? So I got a cool word like years later.

But I had, but so I've been a poet. I've been writing like my whole life. My dad went to Lincoln, um, with Gail Scott Heron and Bright. Oh, wow. Yeah. My dad went to Lincoln because Langston went to Lincoln. Mm-hmm. So my father had me,

steep in poetry. Like when I was six or seven years old, never took an acting class at that time. But at six or seven years old, I told my parents I was either going to be a famous actor, a famous poet, or famous basketball. That was my, I just knew it.

Can you hoop? You're so honest. I've never met anybody with this clean and honest of a spirit. Just like, Like, at least like, no. You couldn't. Wait, what's your answer?

Is it really no? There's no. There's no. Like, I look, I look good. You know, I had like, you know, not handles, but like I had maybe I handle. Right. I couldn't shoot to save my life. Right.

Like, and you could, you know, it's shooting. If you just stay on me, you could imagine the ball win it. But if you left, if you followed the ball. Right. All day. Well, you're good at so many things. I guess you can't be good at everything, Malcolm. It's cool.

You can't be good at it. You can't be good. So the poetry is always a part of what I do. But the spoken word kind of came out. You know, it was before Love Jones, before poetry spots, you know, popped up all over the place. But I was in L.A. my man was telling me about this poetry spots

so we went and we see Jada Pinkett and Tashina Arnold so they were doing poetry and like and all the women came up and all the poems were just were male bashing poets like you just did not feel good

about being a man in this room but I was like yo this is whack man so me and my dude we've been we're in a little hall you know roll something next week we both came out and like

we you know we came in rapping for you know for the fellas right and just the poem that I've written it was so it was so to the core that of course the dudes were like

yeah the women were like yeah he's right he's right right right right right so So I just realized that I was writing something and it's had this universal kind of thing and people dug it. So that's what kind of pushed me into the spoken words. I was like, okay, well, the rap day is over.

My dad has always had me in poetry and now here is a, it's not just writing it and he's having it, you know, reading to yourself. Here is a platform where you can actually do your poetry, you can actually, you know, perform your ballroom and then coming from stage and all of that, it just, you know, it was something that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, it inspired, I guess, all of those other avenues for me, like, you know, the writing, you know, the wanting to do hip hop, you know, the acting, the theater. It was, you know, it touched all of those places in me, you know, and this, it was a venue for this. So that's what really got me. And then, you know, then Love Jones came out and then poetry spot started popping up. It became the wave. Yeah.

It became the thing. Yeah. Deaf poetry and then slam poetry. Slam, slam poetry. And now everybody thinks slam poetry and poetry are synops. Right. Yeah. You know.

Rachel, you got something else? Well, I want to ask you about your upcoming, which you got coming up on Fox. the accused I mean I know you got Resident the Resident Season 6 which is huge but you also have something new you got a lot coming out so if you can tell us what you have coming out the resident

and then also accused So start the resident We're finishing our sixth season And a couple weeks ago Last week the episode I directed aired Wow okay Really true that man doesn't stop

I worked that up for couple years, I harassed them for a couple of years about getting a direct spot. But we're, yeah, we're finishing our sixth year, which is a great because when I first started the show, I was only supposed to do the last three episodes of season one. It was just a three-episode arc and then A.R. I am in the back time of our sixth season. So that's been a great ride. And Fox's, in the mid-season, Fox has a new show coming out called Acute, which is a courtroom anthology, so kind of like

Twilight Zone, a black mirror. Oh, but all in court? Yeah. Yeah. And they're all, you know, they're all their own separate stories, separate episodes. And I, yeah, I have a really crazy episode about a man who is being convicted for the murder of the man who molested his 10-year-old.

girl dog, my tenure. Jesus. So it's, you know, it's nice light fare. I'm not gonna say, there's some feel-good stuff. Yeah, it's heavy, man. It's heavy, but it's, uh, I think that's gonna be a really important series. And I'm really excited about people to say that episode. Again, it's another sign of, you know, a lot of people don't see.

Thank you for giving us so much time. I got one last question for you, man. You've done so much. You've done so much. You've, like, with everything you've been a part of, you've had your own show here and now. Don't think, I know, bro, I know. Yeah.

Yo, do you remember, do you know that Lauren Hill? Oh. Lauren Hill, but I know Daryl Chil Mitchell, yeah, like, yeah, like, yeah, it was a lot of stuff that was going on. Yeah. You know what, I always thought? there was this one episode of the Cosby show I always thought they were going to spend Theo off

but there was this one episode of the Cosby show where I guess Theo was teaching. Yeah. Or something like that and I always thought that was a backdoor pilot. I was like oh they're about to give Theo his own his own joint or something like that would you have been even up for that? So that was part of the conversation

but I wanted I didn't want it to be spent off when I wanted to talk. Oh yeah. So that That's how here and now came out. Yeah, because it's kind of the same type of situation, same premise. Yeah, so here and now could have been a spinoff, but we tried to, you know, just kind of flip it a little bit, so it wasn't just the same.

What left do you want to do? Like, you've done so much. You've got Grammys, you're nominated for another Grammy. You've got music. You've got television show. You're already a television icon. You've already etched your name into the history. Like I said that before, that's a very, very true, right?

And it happens so early. Yeah. You know, like you accomplished by probably 17 or 18 more than 99.9% of actors or performers get a chance to accomplish in their whole life. What's next? What do you want to do next? Do you have any things that you're like, it would be so dope if I could do this or so dope if I could do that? Like, what's left on that list? Well, so here's the thing.

It's a, like Mr. Cosby used to always say, you have to remember it's a marathon. Well, everybody else is outrunning sprints, you remember it's a marathon. So when Mother was talking to me at 14 years old about longevity, my thought process has always been about what's next. Like, what's, you know, cool, this is hot right now, but what happens after this. So I've been very fortunate to be able to have a life where I've set myself up where I don't have to panic during, let's say, dry spells. If you got leave their longevity, you have periods,

where you're hot, periods where you're not. So fortunately, I'm set up. So when I'm not, when I'm in those periods of not high, I don't have to make desperate acting choices. But the road is still the road. Like once the resident, once we're done with the resident and the accused airs, But I'm still, I'm back on the audition room. Right?

So it's, so the whole thing about this journey is like, yeah, so many times we get called up in at a hot TV show, hot song, hot movie, you know, and people get so called up in that that they don't think about 10, 15, 20 years from now. So like the trick really is to enjoy what's happening, but not to get caught up in it because the road is still long. You know, I got to find out of luck. Yeah. So my grind. Yeah. Yeah. There's no end to the grind.

Right. Right. Yeah. So it's, yeah. I'm, you know, I've got stuff from developing like, you know, like every other actor in Hollywood does. But yeah, the grind is still. It's one of the reasons why I do so much because the grind is, if I can do several different things,

they all be grinds and they all be grinds that I love, then collectively it keeps me busy, it keeps me creatively fulfilled, and keeps me growing and holding all of those skills. Before we let you go, I got to ask you this. We all have our favorite. Do you have a favorite episode? from the Cosby show?

Probably the Monopoly button. When Clim and Theo going back and forth about, you know, you haven't eaten. Well, I can get by and blow up with cereal. Yeah. Or you don't have a car. I can ride a probably. Probably that one, because that was the pilot,

and that's what set, that's what set the tone for the show. I didn't know if you were going to say that or Gordon Gordon Gartrell that man mentioned it. If you're actually my top five, that's a different answer. But if I got to just one. But yeah, the Gordon Gartreel is definitely open the top of it. So like calling women, I just remember something

thing, calling women burgers. It's so stupid. It's like, it's like, there's. So calling women burgers. But obviously, for me, the relationship that I had with my dad was most illustrated in you trying to guilt trip Cliff and Theo trying to guilt trip Cliff and Cliff Cohen

that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like because like I will watch because I will watch like you know other sitcoms Mr. Belvedere and all of that stuff like later. And I will see the way the white kids on the show would talk to their parents. They would guilt trip them to make them feel bad.

and then like it would work or they would get mad and like walk out the room. I hate you mom. I hate you dad. Like I'm struggling. And like I would try that shit. And my father would look at me like Crystal, we need to take this boy to the doctor.

This nigger has lost his mind. You know what I mean? So so that just rang so true. I'm not going to hold you, bro. You've been so gracious with your time. You are. Yes, you have. I'm so happy to see you well thriving, doing your thing.

Thank you. Grammys in your pockets. More Grammys coming to you. And when you get a chance, I'm saying this to you and to your listeners and viewers too. Please, please listen to an album. It's by far my most important album. I tell people that it's an album.

You know, this record is for us. It's for black boys. It's for black men. It's for black people. It's for non-black people who have the foresight enough to see our self-healing as an invitation for them to explore their own self-heed. I have all throughout my record, Dr. Daniel Black, assistant professor of African American Studies at Clark Atlanta University. What up to Clark? I will be as well.

I will be as bold enough to say that this record is one of the most important records that you hear come out in 2022. And I know I put a lot on it, and I invite anyone to go listen to the record and tell me I'm wrong. I'm open for that discussion. Do we have your permission to maybe at the end of the show today, play our audience out with a little bit, put a little bit of it in there

so they can hear for themselves? Yeah. Yeah. What is like, like, you have, I know you have an album. Which one? Which one do you want us to play? Oh, off that record? Listen to me.

Or have somebody. Okay. It's like, yeah. I mean, it's, oh, the record is, it's an important record. That's all I can say, right? Oh, I got you. You know, yeah, the record starts. I mean, the record starts, Dr. Donny Black, he's on the first track.

The track is called Love. someone. So we'll play that one. And he says the thing about a black boy is you don't necessarily want to be the black man. What you want to do is you want to love him so fiercely. You want to love him so divine that your disappointment would kill him. That's what the record starts on. So yeah, so listen to the record man and you know whatever because there's so many chunks you know and bits in there that

I'd say you know you or your producers or whatever can listen to something and see what resonates the most with the show and your listeners absolutely all right Malcolm thank you for giving us your time brother thank you

we appreciate your being here together next time you're on the show you're going to give us some guitar lessons man I just got a guitar basically basically bass. The bass. Yeah, the base.

Slap of the bass. And as we play a bass all over the record, too. So it's... All right up. It's all of that. Well, that's great. All right.

Thank you. The album is how to play you nominated for Best Spoken Word poetry album. I want everybody out there, all the thought words, to stream that, listen to that, go out and support that.

I want y'all to make him feel our support. So we're so happy to have you. We're happy that you gave us your time. Peace to your brother. Blessings. We're all one on how I'll learn. Thank you.

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Malcolm Jamal Warner. Look, you were, this is, Hey, Rachel, that's enough. I held it to,

Rachel, that's enough. I kept it in for all, for that, all that interview. God damn it. Like, you sound like Burgess,

you sound like Burgess Meredith. Like, you don't see how you don't care about me. Like, that's enough. You see what I go through on this podcast. Hacky, hacky, Hacry, cough.

My health for y'all. You know what I'm saying? I'm not 100% whole. That's enough. But I refuse to let the thought. Drink some more, Yolene. Drink some lean. Another episode.

Rachel, drink some lead. Another episode without hearing for Van and I. Drink some lead. I refused to cancel on another guest, which obviously that was a fantastic interview. And I am currently out of lean. Oh, she ain't got no more lean. The drink up in my cup. Man, hold up.

Drink a bit in my cup. Drink. Drink up in my cup. Oh. Trump. All right. So look, this is what happened. We were gone and the midterms came out.

The midterms came out like they dropped like they had new album. The midterm elections were had. We did not. We were gone, but we have more clarity now. If we were recorded Monday, the House is still up for grabs. The House is now not up for grabs. Republicans have gotten to 218 in the House. They're going to have a majority.

albeit a smaller majority than they thought, which might sort of hinder them in getting as much as their agenda passes they wanted to or being on the same page. It's a lot different, having a huge majority and having like a one, two, three, or even four or five seat majority. It hampers some of the things that you can do, especially since there's a civil war brewing inside the Republican Party. But we do know now that we got split government, president, dimmy, demit, Senate, dimmy, demie, Senate, dimmy, Republicans have taken the house. The predicted red wave, the crushing of blue balls everywhere did not happen.

A lot of people say this is because Donald Trump. Rachel, have you been well enough to pay attention to the political happenings in the country over the last six or seven days? I have. I mean, how can you not be paying attention to it? Sick or healthy? I will say that I have to,

to come on here and say, I was wrong. I was wrong. The last time we were podcasting, I said, you know what? We've lost Nevada. We don't know about Arizona. And Dems won Nevada. In regards to the Senate, let me clarify.

I know we. Dems won. I know. I said we. Dim's won Arizona. And we know Georgia is going to a runoff December 6th. So I was wrong about that. And I'm glad that I was wrong.

I also talked about the fact that nobody's pointing to the fact that it seems like the Republicans are going to win the House, which they have, and they've already started on their bullshit, right? They got their 218 seats, more than that, and they're already on their bullshit. I will say from watching everything play out to this point, because we know who controls the Senate and we know who controls the House. We know that Mitch McConnell was challenged for a quick second, but he's still going to hold his place in regards to his title in the Senate.

Kevin McCarthy, we're not quite sure what's going to happen there as far as who's going to be Speaker of the House. And at this point, we know that Nancy Pelosi has said that she does not want a title at all. She's going to step down. And I understand that from all that she's personally been through in regards to the attack on her husband. You know what?

My way, Kevin McCarthy has won the GOP nomination for Speaker of the House. So that's that stuff. Did that come out? Yeah, Kevin, Kevin McCarthy. Like, he's one of that. Look, a lot of people thought that the Republicans are going to get in and what they're going to start doing, impeaching Biden for walking, impeaching Biden for falling asleep,

not enough, impeaching him for all kinds of different things. It's going to be a lot harder to do without a significant majority in the House. It doesn't mean that our government is going to be functional, but, hey, it hasn't been functional to this point anyway. We've been in gridlocked. We've been under the tyranny of the filibuster. for so long that they can't fucking get anything done. I think the lasting lesson from the midterms

was that this particular Republican Party doesn't seem to be resonating with voters like they thought that they did. And when you look back at the last two or three elections, I'm not telling you guys anything that you couldn't hear on any of the major news talk shows, but I just think it's very interesting that there seems to be

there seems to be real confusion as to the direction of the right. Like, it doesn't seem like America, by and large, on the whole, is going to go for fascism, extremism, and election denial. That doesn't seem like that's a winning strategy. But at the same time, there's a core base that is so dedicated and has so much allegiance for President Trump and his musings that you can't win without him. So how do you

disinvite people to your party that you need to show up to have people in it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, how do you, it's, it's really, as far as,

it's one of the most, it's one of the most interesting conundrums that I've ever seen in American politics. Like, it's like the whole, the whole Republican party is just a primary party. great in the primary to get to the general and people aren't trying to hear that crazy shit

the Democrats should have been easy to be easier to be like it's things are not I mean when you look at it I mean well no I was going to say I think it shows that there's a weakness in the Republican Party there's a split in the Republican Party

I mean as you just pointed out election deniers those that were backed by Trump did not do well in the midterms so there is this divide from those extremists with MAGA and Trump and elections deniers versus more traditional or, I wouldn't say moderate, but more traditional Republicans. And I think that that's what we have as a, I guess, as a roadmap going forward into 2024. I think Trump announcing the fact that

he's running for presidency is the gift and the curse to this party, right? Trump was a gift to them when he announced before. And those same things that they loved so much about him are now those same things that are hurting their party as it stands. And the fact that Trump announced and the fact that donors, big donors, those who are leaders in the party, leaders who supported him, not even just politicians that supported him before and family members are not standing by him shows that there is a divide within this party, big time. And that's what we saw in the midterms. There's not just a divide in the party in terms of like, from politician to politician.

There's a divide in the Republican Party from body to soul. The Republicans were always a very simple party. There is. There was there was always a very simple party to to sum up. And the simplicity was, their strength. It was always limited government, limited government, deregulation, family values. Somewhere in there is guns in the military. Okay. So those are the things. So all kind of in that scope. Now, when you get behind the veil of politics, they're making your oil buddies profits and there's kickbacks and all that stuff that everybody does.

limited government Constitution Family values military stuff we don't spend a lot of money you know we don't cheat we're this we're that

and the Democrats the problem has always been or the left should I say is that there's huge complexities in being a liberal like huge complexities in being a liberal you know what I mean like there's all there's a there's a there's so many different factions in the left that want to be

heard because almost it's almost as if sometimes it feels like being a liberal is reactive and I think that we look at it that way sometimes more in touch with the people yeah but it's reacting to people it's reacting to America that's already existed and something that you know you don't want, right? And that's why it's great that we have progressive minds that think about the future and imagine a different future. Because sometimes we could just look at it and be like, well, I know I don't want to go back to 19-fucking 55. Well, I know I don't want to go back to separate water fountains or gays not being able to get married or all this. I know what we don't want. So we're voting against that, right? And I think over the last 10 or 15 years, there's a lot of progressive

of ideas have come into the mainstream and like really ways to challenge the status quo of American existence and in citizenship. And I think that's great. But the Republicans always had a simpler message that was just easily digestible to people who didn't want to think about politics that much, right? It's like now they're complicating things. They are. Elections don't work.

All of these books. are evil. They're given their, they're given their constituents a lot to think about. They're giving them, it has nothing to do with who they are anymore. To me, it's the deep state, Q and on, all of this stuff, they're becoming this almost mutated form of liberalism where there are all of these different factions in there and they don't have a clear, clean message for anyone. That's it. They don't have a clear, they're telling you. They're telling you go vote for me but just know

the election doesn't matter and you start to think to yourself well what the fuck you know what I mean they're telling hey get it like there and it's like it's just it's a weird thing to where I don't think besides the crazy people who like when I say crazy

I fucking mean crazy the crazy people who no longer want the version of America that we're in right now to exist which I think it's actually probably people, I don't know if I want the same version. I wouldn't say that that's that crazy. But

I think you know what I mean? I think beyond those people, just the regular voter who is a moderate centrist on either side, they just can't vote for this shit. They can't vote for it. There's no agenda. That's what you, there's no agenda. And even after winning

the House, what's the first thing that they say? We're going after Hunter Biden. Like, there's no, their whole theme seems to be you know, going after Biden, going after Hunter Biden, we're going to Democrats at this, this is what it is. You know, we're doing this with education.

We're taking away women's, like, there's no, as you said, if it's as simple, if what you're saying is true is the Republican agenda used to be as simple as this, then what's being presented to them now if you're a Republican is the complete opposite of that. So I think the fact that there is no, this is what we believe in, and this is where we're headed

and where we're going as a party has made their party go insane. And that's why there's a divide. And with somebody like Donald Trump, who has asserted himself as the leader of the party, said he's back and, you know, saying the things that he's saying and has said the things that he said

and is being investigated for the things that he's being investigated as nobody's as hopeful in him as the person to lead the party to the next place as they were before. And him running is honestly a gift to the other side

because I'm not sure Republicans want him to run. And if they do put up somebody else, it splits the vote. Rachel, me and you could run and beat Trump. like literally. Let's go.

We could run and beat Trump. You know what I mean? With all of my precarious browser history. Like we could run and beat Trump. I'm glad he's back. He's back. He's not the leader of the Republican Party. He's the king of it.

And he's going to be the king for as long as people like Lindsay Graham, choke on his dick. Lindsey Graham came out and said, Trump sounded presidential. And if he's that guy that he was on the night where he delivered a meand. during barely coherent speech, then we, he'll be tough to beat. And I already start the party for 2024. Because I think I hate Trump more than I like the left.

So, so, like, I already start the party for 2024. Here's the deal. Candice Owens is off the Trump train, or at least she fanged like she was. We'll see what happens.

This audio that you're about to hear from Candace Owens is breathtaking. Please please. Not only was he just mad, by the way. He then during a golf session with some mutual friends of ours had a person next to him who was egging this on saying to Trump, and I know this, because again, this is a mutual friend, aren't you mad at Candace? Aren't you mad at Candace? Aren't you mad at Candace? And eventually he was like, yeah, I'm so mad at Candace. I'm so mad at Candace. And this got back to me that he was upset with me, that he was angry at me.

And the next time that I saw him, he was quite rude to me. He was actually rude to me. I'm telling you this personal story because I think it is something that made me for the first time question him as a person. So you have an individual that spent years defending you, right? And that individual gave you a completely kind and fair interview. You said something yourself that your base didn't like. And you somehow transformed that into something that I did wrong. That's unacceptable. So Candace, this is a black lady.

You always want to help out of black lady. And it's Black Lady. I've talked to Candace before. Like Candice used to... Be all the friends. I wouldn't say they were friends. I'm not friends with Candace. I'm not friends.

I'm saying I was going back and forth. I thought we were going to talk and go back and forth. And back when I thought it was whatever. But I was not friends with Candace Owens. However, still want to help. Because Candice is there saying that Trump was mean to her. And because he was mean to her, questions what kind of person he is.

Jesus Christ. How could this be, Rachel? It's Donald Trump. So if Candace had any thoughts on, you know, what kind of person Donald Trump is, we thought we would help her out. We thought we would give her some other instances where Trump has been an asshole. Because obviously she missed all of these things. Oh. Rachel, she didn't see him.

Oh, she did? No, I'm giving it, no. I love that you're giving her the benefit of the doubt. Benefit. So kind. That's start in 1989. Trump, on the exonerated five. Of course I hate these people.

Donnie, run the sound. Of course I hate these people. And let's all hate these people because maybe hate is what we need if we're going to get something done. It's a 1980. It's nine years old, Candace. It's Trump.

Donnie, run that sound again. This is Trump on Exonerated Five. Of course I hate these people. And let's all hate these people because maybe hate is what we need if we're going to get something done. Wow. Okay.

Delightful. We're going to skip forward to Trump and a friend of yours, Rachel, having a conversation, a little locker room talk. If you ever thought that Trump might have been less than a nice guy, Candace, just listen to this. I got to use some techdacks just in case I start kissing her. You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful. I just start kissing them.

It's like a magnet. Just, yeah. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Whatever you want. Grab them by the pussy. Wow. Now, Candice, you might have heard about that.

You might have thought that's a one-off. There's no way to decent, nice guy known as Donald Trump. See, I'm not a decent nice guy, so I know a not decent nice guy when I see one. Candace, I'm not, I'm not qualified to be the president, but it's not about me. It's about Trump. Once Trump talked about pageant locker rooms, this is what you talked about. I mean, I mean, some of these foreign girls, you know, Mr. Trump, in my country, we say hello with the vagina. Well, you could also say is the owner of the pageant.

It's your obligation to do that. So you have done that. Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that I'll go backstage before a show. And everyone's getting dressed and ready and everything else. And, you know, no man are anywhere. And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. You know, I'm inspecting. I want to make sure that everything is good.

You know, is everyone okay? You know, they're standing there with no club. Is everybody okay? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that. He's still going. Mexicans. All right, I don't want to do this anymore.

It's like, it's like five of them. Let's just get worse and worse. And the last thing. Candice may have forgotten, but we didn't. And the last thing, Candice, Trump is a scientific genius. I remember during the harrowing times of COVID, we all were searching for answers. We wanted to know what should we do?

Wear a mask, not wear a mask. Yeah. Can you run outside? Can you get COVID through your computer? Can the virus travel through the internet? All kinds of questions. Will ginger ale solve it? Can black people get it?

These are all questions that were litigated. But some of the best ideas came from stable genius known as Trump. Donnie played a sound. And then I see the disinfectant, but it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number of the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that so that you're going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds interesting to me.

So a little rundown was just for anyone that just forgot who the man running for. for president is. And what I'm going to do here, because we're going to play, we're going to play Malcolm Jamal Warner's song at the end of the episode. Like we said that we would.

But before we do that, we have got to play. And Donnie's going to have to put it in the post because we don't have it right now. Have you heard Herschel walkers Fright Night monologue? The Vampires. Donnie, have you heard Herschel Walker on Fright Night?

Yes, I'm pulling it up now. Herschel Walker is the most amazing person that has ever lived. Wow. I'm serious. Because. I listen to Herschel Walker talk about Fright Night. I've seen the original Fright Night. I've seen the Fright Night remake with Colin Farrell.

I don't know what. What fucking movie Hershal Walker saw? It is a head movie. I don't know what fucking movie Herschel Walker is talking about. There are no werewolves in Fright Night.

And his head movies. He, he, Donnie, just run it. Just run this. I want to tell you to keep the fame. Oh, do you ever watch a stupid movie later at night hoping you're going to get better, don't get better, but you keep watching it anyway.

Because the other night, The other night I was watching this movie. I was watching this movie called Fright Night, Freight Night, or some type of night. But it was about vampires. I don't know if you know vampires and cool people, are they not? But I'm going to tell you something that I found out. A werewolf can kill a vampire. Did you know that?

I never knew that. So I didn't want to be a vampire anymore. I want to be a werewolf. But then anyway, as I'm watching this movie, and then you can tell how stupid it is because it's one in the morning. So I'm watching my TV, these kids watching their TV, a vampire kill on their TV. So you know it's kind of stupid. I'm seeing watching though. As I'm watching this show,

what was funny, these kids had a vampire in their attic at their house. So they were watching their TV. Now I'm watching my TV. They're watching their TV, or they see the vampire killer on their TV. So they win this contest to bring this actor. Now, y'all got to stay with me. Bring this actor who's a vampire killer from that TV to get rid of this real-life vampire in their attic. So if this actor comes to their home, he got all the right stuff.

He got all the right stuff because you know, got to have a state and got to have a thing to kill him in the heart and he got a necklace of garlic because that worked i don't know what it does but it worked you got to have a cross because it burned i know that worked and then all of a sudden this one's so funny about it and they're walking through the house this these this guy's got the holy water he's blessing the house this actor now he's all faith he's blessing the house with his holy water they walked upstairs in this vampire looking real good in this black suit whoa that sounds like senator war not doesn't it looking all good in this black suit floated from the ceiling he floated from the ceiling looking good and cool and I'm

thinking whoa they better get out of that house and somebody float from your ceiling get out of that house that's that's not your house but as he floated from the ceiling the kid jumped behind that hero as they jumped behind that hero they got jumping in front on with this holy water threw it on the vampire forehead he covered his eye and he took his hand away he started laughing and he said that don't work he took the cross he put it on the vampire forehead and the vampire didn't even do anything he said that don't work and that's the way it is in all of a life. It doesn't even work unless you got faith.

It is time of us to have faith. You got to have faith in our fellow brothers. Hey, stop laughing. Stop. Rachel, stop. I'm serious. That was Twilight, scary movie.

One of the scary movies. Rachel, stop. Right. Stop. See, you're having no faith. You know what? Fuck it. Walker for City.

Oh, my gosh. We in so much trouble. Uh, something just happened. 75% of the remaining 3,700-ish Twitter employees have opted not to stay. 75%? There is something happening at Twitter headquarters. Twitter just alerted employees that effective immediately,

all office buildings are temporary closed and badge access is suspended. No details given us to why. We're hearing this because Elon Musk and his team are terrified, employees are going to sabotage the company. Also, they're still trying to find out which Twitter workers they need to cut access for. Offices will reopen on November 21st. In the meantime, please continue to comply with the company policy of refraining from discussion, confidential company information on social media with the press or anywhere. Something dawned on me about Elon Musk.

Elon Musk has made a shit ton of money. Okay. How much money is Elon Musk worth? Give me a guess, Rachel. Like, I don't know, like $100 billion? $200. Okay. $200 billion is what Elon Musk is worth.

Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. Okay. He's interested in a... in a really peculiar way. He worked with PayPal early on. Okay. PayPal is something that people use. But a lot of stuff

that Elon Musk is tremendously wealthy for creating or making has very little effect on the average person. Which, as I looked at it, it's pretty impressive.

Most people that have made that much money have products that in some way affect the average person's life. For example, Bernard R. R. No, is worth a shit ton of money. Let's look at the richest guys in the world. Riches men in the world.

Richest people in the world. The richest people in the world. Not in Florida. Why does Siri do that? I know who the richest person in Florida is. Flo Rida. Richest people in the world. Okay.

So, 22 rows. So, richest people in the world. It is, this is real time. It is Elon Musk, Bernard Arnault, Gatama Doni, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, and so on and so on and so on and so on. Yeah, Larry Page in there.

You got Carlos Slim in there, telecom billionaire down there when you look at the rest of these people Bernard Arnault in his family LVMH So even if you can't afford Louis Vuitton

Like My uncle's feet Was like Hennessy's been a part of our For a long time People drink Hennessy The average person goes out And drinks Hennessy

Drink spirits Different spirits Different spirits that LVMH might have people's spirits You look at Jeff Bezos Amazon Everybody uses Amazon Amazon is for the common person

Right The common person Right you look at Warren Buffett, Berkshire Hathaway. He owns a litany of companies. Like, Bershaw Hathaway,

if you look as a holding company, what they own, they don't be like fucking Dairy Queen, put like dorsal batteries. So many different companies that you have to have. Like you want a piece of Dairy Queen, go get some dairy queen.

Like he owns a bunch of the airlines. People have to fly, blah, blah, blah. Bill Gates, Microsoft. Obviously, for a long time, everybody had to have Microsoft. Carlos Slim, telecom, Larry Page, Google. Elon Musk is different in that Tesla is a luxury brand and you have to be sort of rich to have a Tesla.

SpaceX, space exploration, all of that stuff really awesome, right? But that is not really affecting the average person, right? Any of the stuff that he's doing talking about trying to create the hyperloop, all of this stuff is theoretical. like Elon Musk is one of the most interesting hyper-rich people ever because it's not like he owns Walmart. It's not like he owns like Amazon or like Dell computers I'm looking at like all of these people. Media magnets Nike. You got Phil Knight here. Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook, all of this stuff that people own.

The Mars family. He really is kind of like a theoretical billionaire. there. Like, they're obviously really, there are real reasons why the stock of these companies are valued at so much. There's real reasons why he's so wealthy. I'm not saying that they're not. I'm just saying that Elon Mux is out of his depth as it relates to Twitter because he doesn't know how the average person thinks and moves.

Interesting. Like, he doesn't, the person that can like, to have a conversation with some friends of mine. and you're like, well, eventually people are going to have to buy Twitter. You're going to have to get on Twitter. I'm like, yo, man, I know a lot of motherfuckers who will not pay for Twitter. They're not going to pay for it. I know a lot of people who still ask me for $25, $50 from back home.

They're not going to buy Twitter. Right. And to be honest with you, it's like they're just communicating. Like, he's so out of his depth and trying to be a regular, non, or make a service for people that people use all the time. that like somebody who's not trying to fucking go to space or have their car, drive to their mama house for him, which, you know, all of that stuff, he's just out of his depth.

He doesn't know what average people really want, what regular people who communicate on Twitter really want. And he's never had to know that to make $200 billion. Which is why I think he's had trouble internally with his companies because it seems like he also doesn't know how to talk to the average person. You know, set Twitter for the side. There's also all these issues that are, going on within Tesla. It's like he's out of touch with the everyday person, which is why he can send

out an email like he did for Twitter, which is what we're talking about, about making people click a link, yes or no, within 48 hours, I think it was 48 hours, correct me if I'm wrong, of are you willing to stay with the company and move forward or not? And as you just reported, 75% of the people were like, nah, there's a disconnect there. And it seems like it's starting to catch up, with him. It's interesting. It's nuts. It's nuts.

All right. We're out. No mail back. We gave you guys a fucking two-hour podcast. Jam-pack. We made up for missing on Monday. Jam-pack Tuesday. We're going to know what happens to Twitter.

There might not be a Twitter on Monday. We'll probably be all better off if there's not. Are you going to be okay? You're not a Twitter user. I've gone way down on the tweeting. Okay. I'm not like my mental health is too important. You guys, I love you all.

Rachel, how are you feeling? better I know you are better yeah Rachel I'll let you take us out in your in your own

Rachel's sick voice take us out in my own Rachel's sick voice guys we're so happy to be back sorry me this week but we brought you something great this episode take if you get us off

but don't stop thinking I am Rachel Melendie Bye guys Bye supposed to be me My voice sounds so much sex than that right now.

So much sexier than that. Bye.