Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Minneapolis ICE Shooting, Chris Redd Gets Candid, and the Penis Lawsuit

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

Van and Rachel discuss how House Democrats commemorated the five-year anniversary of the J6 riots before reacting to the ICE shooting in Minneapolis. Then, Spencer Pratt is running for mayor of L.A., former NFL player Matt Kalil is suing for talk about his penis size, and comedian Chris Redd gets candid on Instagram. (0:00) Intro (2:59) Van addresses the response to the last episode (15:37) Democrats mark five years since the J6 attack (28:53) ICE shooting in Minneapolis (55:43) Spencer Pratt’s mayoral race (1:04:34) Matt Kalil suing for penis talk (1:19:53) Chris Redd’s emotional post (1:48:01) Zion Williamson’s latest drama Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Jade Whaley Social Producer: Bernard Moore Video Supervision: Chris Thomas Van’s ‘Fuck You If You Disagree’ Substack: https://open.substack.com/pub/vanlathan?r=5cs2w&utm_medium=ios Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, mad-ass niggas. Harleian is on. It is I. Van Lathan Jr. And it's me, Rachel Lentzing. Interesting week. They are pissed off. They're mad. Who's mad?

Who's mad? Everybody. People who listen, people who don't listen. People who don't listen. Is it getting around like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think on Twitter that there's some aggregators that took the

the clip and then put it out and so there are people who don't listen to the podcast who are also upset which delights me on Twitter we both get it no I didn't see you getting it oh yes stop trying to be

stop trying to what always happens whenever I speak about the culture what always pops up the past what they love to recirculate the past

what was in the past talking about Brian shit It always pops up B daddy How is he doing? I wouldn't know Who fucking cares He's about to get paid again

And then we're done I'm done Oh it's almost over It's done Oh shit we gotta go to six flags Or some shit like that We should go to six flags We should celebrate

So then So you're about to be up then Well crawling out But yeah sure I mean I survived it You did What

What So then after he's off the teat so then do you do you anticipate there being any reason to have any contact at all going forward it kind of plays into one of the stories we'll cover there's a fear that if this moves forward

possibly we'll get into the story oh interesting I have no idea what you're talking about we could actually do it as a quick hitter but oh okay I have no idea what you're talking about suing somebody over comments made suing somebody over that is a very slippery slope

So I anticipate, based on the judgment, I have nothing else to pay. It doesn't stop somebody from getting upset, throwing a tantrum or a hissie fit, and trying to use the legal system to their benefit. We have to talk about that. So we're going to talk about the Democrats who did a candlelight visual. Oh, I forgot about it. Obviously, we have to talk about ICE, Minnesota, Minneapolis, the tragic killing of an observer there in Minneapolis. and how the Trump administration is discussing this,

how people are talking about this. There's video, very troubling stuff. Spinscher Pratt wants to be the mayor of Los Angeles. A former ringer. Former ringer guy. Former ringer guy did their podcast. Matt Kalil's being sued by his ex-wife. Chris Redd we're going to talk about,

and maybe if we have time, Zion Williamson and his latest only fans' excursion. But I think obviously we need to kind of talk about what happened on Monday. I guess it was Monday for us. It was Tuesday for you guys. And the conversation at the end of the podcast around Aiden Ross and the men around Aiden Ross. All right.

First, before I talk, where did you have anything you want to say? No. Zero. I don't think, I don't, I have nothing to say. Really? I think the floor is yours. Okay, cool. So this is what I'll say.

All right. Everything I say I'm responsible for. everything. So it doesn't matter whether or not context is my ally or not. If you can clip it and put it out there and I said it, it's on me. So there's nothing that I said on Monday or Tuesday show that I am going to attempt to walk back. What I will say is this though. What happened insofar as me talking about some of the feelings I have of criticisms that seem to be omnipresent around black men during that segment was just ill-timed because that has to be a part of the conversation surrounding Aiden Ross. I understand that. It has to be a part of the conversation.

Because Aidan Ross is a hip-hop cosplayer. And you have to ask the question, what is he cosplaying? He certainly isn't cosplaying Ninth Wonder or Sway or or Chuck D, he's cosplaying a certain type of, let's face it, black man that he is around. And that is leading him to act the way he acts. And then I think he is legitimately surprised when he is held to a different standard than even they are sometimes. Because when some of these guys that we're talking about say or do stuff or some of the Aden's minions that we don't even know, we kind of brush them off oftentimes as the knuckleheads within our culture that we kind of kind of get out of here right remember even when we talked about Tyler your creator back in in the day we talked about his tweets and I go you know those tweets never really bothered me no matter how they looked be they anti-black be they whatever because I'm like I looked at those guys was like the young knucklehead niggas and so whatever you don't take them seriously we don't do that all time but we do do it sometimes and having that conversation about how far that culture goes and how it informs somebody's who is white who's outside of the culture,

you have to have it. You have to have it. So if I have frustrations about the way we talk about black men on higher learning or the way black men are talked about in general, that was the wrong time to bring it up. That's just true. Two things, though, I will address directly. One is the reason why I think that happened. It has to do with that feeling, but it also has to do with glasses. Had glasses on the podcast. Glasses to me, me and Glasses argue all the time. Glasses has a lot of what I would call bad ideas, right?

But Glasses is thoughtful, inquisitive. He knows he's got a big brain. He uses it sometimes to incite you. He uses it sometimes to rabble riles. But at the same time, he is a friend of mine. So when we were having that conversation where I saw the conversation had, I actually was, I felt to be honest with you, somewhat vindicated that it was him that was standing in the gap because he to me represents a black man that I feel like

is being cast aside now, is being not tightened up, but like suffocated. And we don't have any use for it and they're bad and they're what we need to evolve away from and some of the ideas and stuff like that yeah that's true we do but it there seems to be something that's metastasizing that I am starting to notice um so when we had the conversation and it was like okay look the homie that I brought on the podcast that you guys didn't really like and I knew that you guys wouldn't like him. I was all almost trolling you guys bringing them on. Look what he did. He is the one that said enough on this black lady and used what he uses, which is the street ethic that he's learned, to say, if you continue, these are the ramifications

and repercussions. That was also interesting to me because what we have not been able to do is establish any ramifications or repercussions for cultural malfeasance. We just, we haven't been able to do it. As a matter of fact, the internet has undone that. The internet has undone the ability to really meet out cultural justice.

For most people, like for most people, that's a fight on the right right now. The fight that they're having on the right right now is essentially about how they get Nick Fuentes in the grouper movement in line, how they deal with them because the power structures that they have to cut people off don't exist anymore. You can't de-platform anybody. You can't silence them. You have to contend with what it is that they're saying and like how do you contend with something that's so disgusting. They don't know how to do it. We lost that battle first

because a lot of the people with the worst ideas, a lot of the people with the worst shit became the biggest gigantic people. Neon, if I'm talking about the streamers, neon, Ayn Ross, even of these new streamers I'm talking about, even I show speed, like even early on, he was on some different bullshit, right? Anyway, I digress.

So that was a part of that situation and me sort of overreacting to that. But there is something else. There's something that people clocked and they're right. I've gotten so many different opinions and there's one thing that is correct that people are saying.

I want them to know that it's correct. People have said just generally and actually even you said just generally that they don't understand why I see myself in a certain type of black man. Now, I cannot say that I see myself in anybody that's around in Aiden Ross. Those are like young knucklehead niggas.

I don't even think they know what they're doing, right? But what I will say is when you said that and when it's being said to me that you guys are basically right. I do see myself in the type of black men that are most routinely criticized by platforms like ours or other platforms that are trying to set right the cultural expectations of black people. I see myself in them more than I see myself in the people that would be pure or upstanding or upright. Like my father was a good dad, put together a family, but then had kids outside of his family. My uncles were drug addicts.

They were brilliant men. They were drug users. They were loving men that were violent. They were regulated men that were completely irregular. And they all died early. Like the place that I come from, what I come from is not what people would consider to be in any way elevated. It's really if there was, and I want to make sure that my mother, my sister and my grandmother, who are family that still live in Louisiana,

I said apart from this, because those are three of the most elegant, beautiful women that I've ever known, right? But like, I taught you on the phone, like my grandmother, my father's mother, was a man's side chick. Like, she had three children for a man who was married, right? Like, three kids for him,

for a guy who had a whole other family. She's on a deathbed, and she's, like, saying stuff to me, and she's like, oh, I didn't know it. the JT was playing on me and I didn't know this and blah blah blah blah is like by the time I was in too late I asked my dad about that I'm like dad what is she talking about dad's like man she's confessing she's absolving she's trying to get absolution right she knows she doesn't have much time left so when I say all of this

I'm not saying this to in any way try to pull on anybody's heartstrings what I'm saying is that I legitimately see myself as somebody who was able to expand their mind a little bit, read some books and have different connections, and be able to understand the systemic dysfunction that makes brothers who are perfectly good make the wrong decisions about their lives and about the lives of the people around them. And I truly believe that. I don't believe in the defectiveness of the people where I come from or the black men from see the shining sea. I don't believe in it. I believe that they, in a sense, in a sense, not totally, are victims of a historical and contemporary wilderness

that they have not yet found themselves in. And I deeply, deeply, deeply believe that. And if I didn't believe that, then I guess I would feel the need to call them, culturally call them and put them in a place where they could no longer have any influence. I don't think that that's true. I don't.

And so as we continue to have conversations and have had conversations on higher learning, I think it's important for me to be like, yo, when we talk about what black men are responsible for and what black men are doing, there has to be, to me, nuance and contextualization into how we speak about brothers and how we particularly speak about young brothers.

You guys, this is not to excuse any of what you're seeing I know particularly from our women and from our older people that you guys are fed up. I completely understand. I understand that you are fed up. You want better from the people that you share your community with. I get it. I want better for you. I want better for them.

But for me, what I have to be able to do is speak to some of the things systemically that ail and plague these neighborhoods that create the outcomes that are created. I'm not going to go too much longer, but I'll say this. It is easy to create distance between you and what you think the proletariat or the regular or the undesirables as one person put them that responded to me. I said, Van, you're going to get so much love from the undesirables. I don't want to be a desirable. I don't want to be a nigger y'all look up to. I don't want to be somebody that you guys think is going to have the perfect answer. to stuff all the time. I don't want to be one of the good ones because the only thing that

people do to those people is shred them. What I want to be on this podcast and with everyone that listens is the most authentic, imperfect, but like present version of myself and y'all not always going to like me. That's the only thing I can give y'all. But I really do appreciate the engagement for everyone that reached out that was legitimately concerned. either about the way that I reacted or I responded, or the other people that were super mad about it, you're all entitled to your opinions. It's all gravy.

Fuck the Reddit. I didn't go on there. But everything else is completely above board. I'm fine with it. I felt like I owe you out that. And can we get into the podcast now? We can take a little break. We can take a break.

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Ask your doctor about trimfaya. Tap this ad to learn more about trimfaya, including important safety information. Okay. Rachel, this is for you. No, it is not. This first one is for you. No, why is this for me? This first one's for you because every time I criticize the Democrats, people get mad.

And I know that you like this. Donnie, let's talk about this. Yeah, the fifth anniversary of January 6th was this week. And in response, Democrats gathered with a candlelight vigil. And they had a song to sing. Donnie, you could have to play the whole thing. Don't have to play. I'm going to hear the whole verse.

You didn't have to play the whole thing. Jay, can you hand me my candle? No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. We're pulling out all the props in this motherfucker. This is not my story. You know I'm not doubt for this.

I don't understand the, I don't even know if I would call this pomp in circumstance or just the need to have some sort of. of public display. Of course, when people were talking about this, they compared it with the side by side photo image of the Democrats kneeling down on one knee with the kufi. They didn't have kufis, but they had the Kintechis on. Somebody might have to Kiki on. Nobody had a

Dashiki on. They had the Kintech Kloff. You know what? That's fucked up. Yeah, I thought, yeah, they had the Kintech Kna Klaught on. They had the Kintech Kovies. No kufis, no dashikis. But it's just for what? For why? Listen, Obviously, it's been five years. We all probably remember exactly where we were and how we fell.

And it seems so surreal watching what happened five years ago on January 6th. It is something that we should talk about, not just on January 6th, in order to not water it down, in order to remember what happened in order for them not to make light of it or to be a revisionist as they are trying to do and change these people from what they were, which were. terrorists. They were domestic terrorists. And they tried to make it seem like they were heroes. I get that. We should talk about it. But this is not the way. There should be no candlelight vigils. And let me just be clear. I do not want to also take away from the fact that five lives were lost on that day. But a candlelight vigil is not the way to do it. Singing God bless America is not the way to do it. This kind of behavior has to stop. There are ways to go about talking about what happened.

And this just makes us laugh. We're laughing about it. Instead of actually remembering how tragic that day was, we're laughing about the Democrats to get God bless America. Who was present? I didn't watch the video. Who were some of the heavy-hangers?

Who were some of the heavy-hangers? Schumer was out there. King Jeffries was out there. This was the whole strongly worded letter brigade of the Democrats. Exactly. Do you know what I noticed? I've noticed something about the Democrats.

So, play for a basketball team, a Breck team called the Warriors. And we had a guy on the team named Silas. And I don't know what happened to him. What happened to Silas. But he was just uncanny with his ability to find you.

He would do stuff, like he would take a couple of hard dribbles into the lane, And this is, we're talking about, we like 13, 14. Okay. He would take a couple of hard dribbles into the lane and grab your defender a little bit by their shorts and pull your defender with him and do like this like he was going to go up and then wrap the ball around to you. He would, he could just find you. I hated him. Even playing with him?

Playing with him was beautiful. Okay. Playing with him was gorgeous. You got to the free throw line. He was just good for six points. Just six easy points. But you get on the bus, Silas would fart. Silas would, like, he stink up the whole bus,

stink up the whole car. He would do this thing where he would take, like, a moon pie and eat the moon pie and make it into a mush and then show it to you. Someone was wrong with him. He could see that floor, though. And he could hit that little three. He would hit that little three.

He could see that little floor. He was my teammate, and I hated him. that is how I feel about them. I cannot stand these people. And I wish it was different. I wish it was different. They are the only thing that is standing in the gap for democracy. What?

They are. The Democrats, unfortunately, the Democrats likely to me, they're likely controlled opposition, right? Then they're likely a milk toast version of leftist political movement. Right. that's what they likely are. However, they legitimately, at this point,

are the only thing that can stop stuff from happening like it happened in Minnesota. If that wouldn't have happened if Kamala Harris were president, it's just a fact. If Kamala Harris were president, that woman would be alive today. We're going to talk about that in a second. It wouldn't have happened if Kamala Harris were president, right? That's true. That's a fact. There are so many other things we can talk about. That wouldn't have happened if Kamala Harris were president. You have to deal with and contend with those facts.

At the same time, the stuff like this and other things that I see, I just don't like this current batch of Democratic leadership. I don't like them. They're Democrats that I do like. We've had them on the podcast. I do like Maxwell Frost. I do like Summer Lee. I do like Rochana.

There's other people. I do like in the Democratic Party, right? But this, Cory Bush, who's running right now, who we hope to have on the podcast pretty soon, love Cory Bush, right? Even some of the centrists, West Moore is not quite that much to the left. He's a sentient, a lot of probably different political difference with West. West cuts a strong image, though.

Other people I could name that might not be as far to the left as other people, as people might think I need them to be for me to say, oh, okay, you're a good politician or a good Democrat or somebody. I just don't like shit like this that looks weak and makes the party look like a laughing stock. That's it. That's it. I mean, you don't like it and I don't like it because it's ineffective.

And for where we are right now in our society, to see this happens, obviously happened the day before what we're about to talk about that happened in Minnesota. But it makes you even more angry because watching them do it. they do serves absolutely no purpose other than to put on a show. And where we are right now in our society and what's happening and with the Trump administration and in Venezuela and overseas and even within our own country and you're sitting here singing God bless America in harmony. Like it's just to use, it's a laughing stock. To use my word, it's ineffective. And it's borderline problematic because you're not doing or it doesn't feel like you're fighting in the way that

we need you to you're putting on a show and the jig is up with that people don't want to see that anymore because of the things that are happening here over there or overseas yes after the standoff um on the uh i'll put you this after the standoff on health care did not go to the democrats way look i give them credit on that i know a lot of people don't want to, particularly a lot of my people on the left. Give them credit for what? I give them credit for frontlining the American health care debate. I give them credit for that.

I give them credit for making the issue an issue that now has to be talked about. Because had they not did what they did with the shutdown, then the subsidies would have gone away. The ACA subsidies would have gone away. gone away and there wouldn't have been much talk about it right now there is at least some type of political idea that the semi-average americans who are paying attention to this has about whose responsibility is that those subsidies went away now you can make a political determination and say hey at the end of the day it's a democrat's responsibility that the subsidies went away because they didn't fight effectively enough to keep them around.

Or you can criticize the ACA in its totality. You can do a whole bunch of things. But in terms of right now, there's an understanding, at least with some people, that there's one party that cares about whether or not poor people have health care or people who don't have means have health care. And then there's another party that wants to do whatever they can to have the most draconian capitalist health care policy that they can.

So I give them credit for that. But coming off that, which politically, even though I give them credit for raising the awareness of the issue with the shutdown, politically was a loss. Right. Politically, it was a loss. They did lose that fight, right? Those subsidies did go away. To do something else that looks disfectless and frankly, cyanide lavish, I want to know who the Democrats need caring civil. That's who they need.

Democrats need Karen Civil. Karen, I'm going to call you. Y'all don't know who Karen Civil is. Y'all need to get hip. That's who need to do the social media and the marketing and the stuff like that Karen Civil, get Candace Grace out there, get some of these women that know how to actually move stuff on social and build brands. That's who they really need.

Call Candace Grace. You're not going by that old name anymore. Call Karen Civil and get them together. Dream Team. up, go out there and figure out how to market what it is that you're doing to people. Because everything that you do... Miss Ditty. Don't call it that no more.

Well, I just wanted to be clear on who it was. I was just, I wanted to make sure I understood. She had to, that was funny. She had to get away from the Miss Ditty name. Yeah, she did. But I wanted to be clear. I wasn't quite sure. Yeah, so like, get with them.

Get with them. Get with Jason daughter. Alexis Wilson. She know how to build a brand. Get with these women and go out there. and build a brand that you can actually take out to America. Yeah. It's tough, bro.

Yeah. It's tough, man. This is like you... It's not tough. This is simple, van. This is simple. Like, you would think at least from the kneeling and the kente cloth that you would have learned. All right, we'll give you that one.

It was bad. We made jokes about it. We'll give you that one. But you're still doing the same thing. This is simple. Yeah. That's why not everybody participated in this. You could have used this to bring some type of legislation.

I don't know. I don't know. I'm not a politician. You know why it scares me? Because we are in the year of the midterms. And we talk about, you brought up health care and I don't want to dive too much into it. But even though, yes, they put it out there. They were the ones fighting for it.

You could make an argument. It was too late. Whatever you want to. They had tried earlier. They were the one. They tried. But then the letter. you can make all those arguments.

At the end of the day, people are without, the subsidies are gone. People are having to determine if they're going to afford their health care or something else. There are already stories coming out about how people are passing away because they chose to not pay into their health care and could not afford something and took a gamble and lost their lives in it. Those stories are already coming out. It's January 8th today and those stories are happening. It will be an even bigger loss if you get caught up in the God bless America of it all and you aren't continuing to remind people what has happened with the subsidies going away, with other things that the Trump administration is doing, what Congress on the right is doing.

If you focus on the God bless and not focusing on that leading into these 2026 midterms, I'm afraid. So to start out the year and this is your strategy, that scares me. because the focus needs to be elsewhere. And this is what I mean about it being ineffective. Well said. All right. We got cover it, Donnie.

Tragedy, Minneapolis. Yeah. An ICE officer yesterday shot and killed a Minneapolis motorist. Her name was Renee and Nicole Macklin Good. Federal officials claimed that it was a, they say that it was an act of self-defense. Video was taken by bystanders from different vantage points. They show officers approaching her SUV, which was.

stopped across the middle of a road and they were demanding that she opened the door if they grabbed the handle and the SUV begins to pull forward and different ice officers stands in front of the car and that officer pulls his weapon and begins firing into the vehicle killing Ms. Good. We're getting conflicting reports from Homeland Security and what the mayor is saying Homeland Security is saying that again this was an act of self-defense and that her act driving that vehicle was an act of domestic terrorism Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey Jacob Frey blasted Christy Noam's characterization as garbage and sharply criticized the general deployment of more than 2,000 officers in the Twin Cities.

So we knew this is not the first time that ICE action has ended in the death of a human being. This is actually the fourth time. This, I think, though, is the first time that ICE has actually pulled out. their gun and killed an American citizen in one of these situations. I'm not sure that that's happened anywhere else. If I'm wrong about it, let me know. I don't think so. I didn't see that.

Right. So two things. One, we knew that we would get here. There would not be the level of deployment that we've seen from ice in American cities and not in some sort of death in this way. Well, that and we knew we would get here sadly because there was a rush to load up as many ICE officers as you could without the proper training, without any of the tools that they need specifically because they are trained and they're not even getting that type of training. They're trained to guard the border. They're not trained to be in urban cities and to be doing whatever it is that they believe that they're being called to do.

and that's part of the problem too. There's a different type of protocol and training that is for an officer who's going to be within a populated urban city than there is for someone who is there to control the border. And that's also why this sadly was inevitable and we knew that we would in here at some point and sadly the way that it is being handled

so quickly by the Trump administration and Homeland Security leads me to feel like we will be here again. if something does not change. As quickly as this was reported and it happened, without any proper investigation, without anybody saying, hey, I mean, Tom did eventually, but Christy Knoam, who leads the Department of Homeland Security, immediately jumped out, got in front of a camera and a microphone and said what she believed to have happened without determining what actually happened. And thank God for the person who recorded what there are several different angles of the video, but for the bystanders that were recording what happened because otherwise if they didn't, who knows?

Well, not who knows. We know exactly what had been reported. What Christy Noam said as she took the podium in Texas reporting it. That's the story we would have received if we did not have video to contradict that. So a couple of things about the video. Number one, in my opinion, there are two different vantage points from the video. One is a blurry vantage point that takes place from, I guess, diagonal to the front of the vehicle, which shows if you watch that video, you can't really see the angle in which this Renee was trying to drive away.

If you watch the video, which is in pure Donny's showing that one right now, if you watch that video, it looks like she just decided to plow into an officer. Yeah. Right. The other video is from a more, to me, advantageous vantage point because you can see the angle at which she's driving away. So if you look at this right here, you see them come up. You see it's clear that the officers are there. There's one to her left.

She's backing up. And then she's going that way. Yeah. She's going that way. She's trying to get away from whatever is about to happen to her. She doesn't want to be detained by ICE. She's trying to get away. Yeah.

All right. She's killed. Can I just say from that video, like before you dive in, there are a couple of things, and there's a really good breakdowns of showing that she was not trying to do what they're accusing her of. There are, her reverse lights are on. Her wheels are turned a certain way. And that's also, and her, that's just her getting away. But to note also, and again, we don't know specifically what she was thinking or feeling in that moment,

but there have been several people who are involved in law enforcement that say, and this goes to what I mean about ICE not knowing the proper protocol to be in a big city, is approaching the vehicle, lunging into the vehicle from an ICE officer that you see in this, and then putting yourself in front of the vehicle. Law enforcement is saying you're not supposed to put yourself in front of the vehicle, which you see this ICE officer do, or directly behind a moving vehicle. That's not what you're supposed to do because you're immediately putting yourself in danger. So you're already seeing them do things that are out of protocol in accordance with law enforcement rules. So you're saying like a police officer wouldn't have done that.

Would not have done that. They're not trained to do that, which shows that these guys did not have the proper training. or perhaps they're operating in exactly the capacity that people want them to operate. Correct, correct. So something else we should say about this. Minnesota is a sanctuary city and deployments in sanctuary cities for ice are different than they are in other cities. And it's important that people know this.

Like, sanctuary cities have special rules about how they deal with their migrant populations, their undocumented populations. So they limit jail cooperation. Normally what ICE would want to do is go into jails and get the people out of the jails that they think are undocumented and then process them and send them back or whatever. But you can't do that in the sanctuary city because they won't let you do it. So that means that ICE has to have more at-large rates. What an at-large rate is is a raid at-large rate at home or a workplace or just on the street. All right.

So that means in a sanctuary city like Minneapolis, I think it's Chicago, let me look it up. It's Minneapolis, St. Paul, I think Chicago, Los Angeles. Give me a couple of other examples of cities where stuff like that has happened. I'm almost sure of San Francisco,

a couple other places like that. You're going to see ice more. Ice is going to be out there more. They're going to be more, I think New York as well. They're going to be more visible. They can't just pick up the people from the jails. They have to go get them out of the community. They also, in the sanctuary city, the detainers are restricted.

You can't have as many, so they flood agents into these regions. Let me tell you what happens. Communities then react and they respond. And the way that they respond is to set up networks in order to help themselves and help the populations of people that might be the target by ICE. One of ways they do it is by having observers out there, like people that observe what ICE is doing in their neighborhoods to make sure that there are no civil rights violations that are happening.

It seems as if this lady, Ms. Renee, was one of those observers. It seems as if she was out there to watch ICE with a lot of other people and make sure that ICE wasn't taking advantage of people beating them up, detaining them weren't that, you know, that the warrants were good and all of that stuff. They have all types of information that they give to people intercommunally to let them know what they have to do when ICE is there. So in any of the cities that we're talking about, Donnie, give me a list of these sanctuary cities that I'm talking about. In any of the cities that we're talking about, the ice rays that you see are going to be more dramatic and much more dangerous. Remember what happened in Chicago last year where ice went into a lot of,

apartment complex, rounded up a bunch of people, a lot of them black. There were reports that they zip tied children during that. Took a lot of people out, detained them sometimes for hours. This is during the night and then let them go. Because they said that this particular apartment complex was infested with Trindey-Aragwa, right? So what happens is when you have these types of confrontations, with ICE agents in these types of numbers because they're deploying to cities

where they have to use an overwhelming show of force because the people in those cities are going to defend their communities and the people that they share their communities with. Ice will be, number one, more agitated and number two, more brazen because anytime you put someone in a big hoard or a big group, they are going to feel more brazen

to do shit. like this. Sure. It absolutely heightens the situation. Something you said, you know, this is going to be litigated. We know that the mayor of Minneapolis has already put out a very, you know, strong statement basically saying fuck ice and you need to get the fuck out of our city. Tim Walls, the governor, has put out a statement.

They're calling for an investigation, an investigation outside of the DOJ because they don't don't trust them and rightfully so. But we're going to see it litigated and people, you know, compare the two videos and the first video we showed. We'll probably see that circulating around a lot where people are going to say, oh, she was radicalized. Oh, she was using her vehicle as a weapon. I mean, Donald Trump put out a horrendous statement where there is no empathy that somebody lost their life. It is a pure justification of why she needed to go. And if, and that's not normal. And if that does not terrify you, then I don't know what will because it should be terrifying for two reasons. And one of them, you kind of mention.

But one of them is shooting someone three times at point blank range is not okay and it should not be legitimized. That is what our government is doing. And the second thing is why they're doing it because it falls right in line with what is necessary to build. And I always say this word wrong, an authoritarian government. I did it right. You didn't. No. Authoritarian?

She was so proud of herself. Authoritarian. A government full of Stephen Kings, a government full of Zordial Herschis. I was so, I took the time. Alice Walker's, an authoritarian government. Authoritarian. Did I say it right? Authoritarian?

Authoritarian. Authoritarian. Authoritarian. Thank you so much. Lance a lot. It falls right in line with what is necessary for them to build. an authoritarian government and a fascist regime. The way that Christy known, one, has just sacrificed her sanity and whatever in the name of a uniform, a title, and fillers.

But also, just the way that she stepped out in front of that camera and basically said, they're allowed to do this. And the reason they're allowed to do this is because of this light, this light, this light, and this light. is all falls in lines with the steps that you are taking to build a fascist regime through military force, through coercion, through to achieve your political goals. They called this woman, and I can't remember who did it in the administration, a domestic terrorist. The argument could be made that ICE is a domestic terrorist organization.

If you look at the definition of what it is to be a domestic terrorist, ICE fits it to a T, particularly this agent who shot her three times at point blank range, but the way that ICE operates and moves within your city, it is direct a terrorism because the goal is political. They're doing it in the name of politics to achieve something. Let me actually say the definition right. They're using violence as individuals and as a group within the U.S. to push ideological goals, political. and you could argue social against civilians

aiming to intimidate coerce or influence policy without foreign direction. That is ICE what they're doing. And they're going to continue to do it. And that is terrifying. That is scary. Wow. Got me all scared.

The author, author government. Author. Author. Arthur. So just just before we go, before I chime in here, the major cities that, our sanctuary cities, just so you guys know, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, Denver, Philadelphia, Boston, Portland, Oregon and May.

And May, both Portland. Shout out to them. Baltimore, Minneapolis, St. Paul, Oakland. Houston has limited cooperation, not fully sanctuary, but functions similarly. Okay. And then there are some states that have restricted cooperating with ICE statewide. California, Illinois, New Jersey, Oregon, Washington, Vermont, Colorado, New Mexico. All right. Interesting what you just said, and let me tell you why. An American citizen has died at the hands of ice. An American citizen has died at the hands of ice with ice operating on faulty legal ground. Do you know what I think about when I think about that?

What? How this year was the execution. But last year was the primer. Let's talk about a couple of cases. If you talk about Kilmar Obrigo Garcia and him being sent overseas without due process based upon the interpretation of sort of obscure law, the Alien Enemy's Act that is for wartime, right, specifically for wartime. you look at the Trump administration and they want to interpret that law by saying that there's an invasion across our southern border. So that gives the president war powers or specific powers, direct powers, to act in a way against these invaders, right? Something that's legitimately used for war.

I remember having a conversation with someone. these are the conversations with the people that are the undesirables. I remember having a conversation with someone and them going, well, it could be seen as an invasion. It could be seen as a war. I'm on the phone and I'm like, it's just very important that you don't listen to everything this administration says and think that just because the president and his people are doing it, that there's some merit to it because there's an end game here. There's an end game. Okay. Let's fast forward a little bit.

then we start to see extrajudicial killings off the coast of Venezuela kinetic attacks on boats that we are told have drug dealers on them we don't know who the drug dealers are

we don't know where they're coming from or really where they're going we know that Trump and Marco Rubio and Pete Hexeth say that they are narco-terrorists that's all they have to say bomb them kill them double-tap them

we have designated these people narco-terrorists. So because we have done that, and we have the power to say, whoever is a narco-terrorist is a narco-terrorist without showing you guys any evidence, we can kill them. Fast forward. Now we're on American soil. We're here on American soil.

And a woman who is an American citizen. I'm not saying that American citizen's life is more important than a life of Kilmar or Brigo Garcia or of any of the people that were in those boats. I'm saying now it's in your neighborhood. It's in your neighborhood. They say she's a terrorist.

So they kill her. They use last year as proof of concept that they could do what they wanted to do give flimsy and faulty legal justification for it and that all we would do was debated on the Saturday shows and the Sunday shows and the nightly shows

that we would accept the killing of people who Trump says he has to kill. And now they're going to ask you to do it in this case. And the question is whether you're going to do it or not. They're going to ask you in this case right now to say, you know what? We said that that lady's a terrorist. We said that she was trying to hit that person.

We said she had to go. She's got to go. I'm telling you guys right now where this ends up. This ends up with the Crips and the Bloods being designated domestic terrorists. This ends up with Black Lives Matter being designated domestic terrorists. This ends up in a place where the government says, you know what? This group is at cross purposes with American ideals. We can point to this meaning criminals in this group.

We can point to how they misappropriated funds this way or how they do this. And what we can do is bomb them or send people to get them with no due process wherever we want, whenever we want. And if you are acquiescing to that, you're making sure that more things like this happen. I hit a lot of people that I knew, some of them Trump supporters. I hit some of the Trump supporters. Okay, what they have to say, undesirable. Undesirables. I hit some of the undesirables that I knew.

Hit one of them and one of them was like, I don't know, man, that was tough. Like, I'm not laughing or making light of this. This is one of my most die-hard. I've known him for a long time. I even know he was, whatever. This is the guy I know. I'm sorry, guys.

You guys are you going to be upset with me. It's a guy I know. He's a good basketball player. He actually, she was the deep three. It's like, it's a guy I know. He's like, now this was hard. He was like, even if there was a world where you could justify the first shot, he goes that second third shot.

Yeah. Or just like he was like, even if you could justify the first shot, which he's a, I don't think that you can. He's like, that's second and third shot. You just can't justify it. And he was like, I don't think they're going to get the reaction from this that they wanted. Like my, I don't think that they are. I'm not sure he's right.

I'm not sure he's right. I think the Trump administration is going to get it. I don't think they're going to get the reaction from this one that I think that they are. And it's going to be very important. I'll tell you what's going to be important here. What's going to be important here is how your podcast bro's react to this. Rogan, Flagrant, Theo Vaughn, name you some other motherfuckers. Tim Dillon, basically, a socialist now.

Tim Dillon didn't say it, fuck it. Like, but how they respond to this, whether or not those people who, let's face it, are thought leaders, are thought leaders in that space, how they respond to it is going to be really important to see how the regular average American white boy responds to this, to this killing in Minnesota. It's interesting. Yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly. it's also going to, I'm interested to see, are we already at a point where this is normalized, where this kind of force, this kind of aggression, this kind of violence at the hands of, I can't call them police, but agents, government agents, is normalized. Like, are we going to move about in our daily lives and move on with the news cycle as if

It's just another day, and this is just what the Trump administration does. I think that's also going to be really important because I keep going back to how quickly Christy Knoem stepped in front of a camera and a microphone because what's so effective, I think, in what they do, one, the quickness of it, but also the narrative over evidence. They are so quick to establish a certain narrative that people will quickly see and run with, and that's the first information that they get. and then they get distracted and move on to the next thing. With this type of regime, with this type of government, narrative is more important than evidence

because what did they immediately get out there and say? This officer was acting in self-defense. This officer was there trying to protect the people. There was a huge crowd. This woman was radicalized. This woman was a domestic terrorist. Then evidence becomes secondary. An investigation takes time.

They're going to have to talk to people. They're going to have to interview people. They're going to have to look at the scene. They're going to, that takes time. Will people move on with the first narrative that they were given or will they wait for the evidence to show otherwise? That's what's going to be really key here. Because that's so quickly what happens. And that's what's so scary.

And then we normalize it happens. And then it happens again. And we're like, remember what happened on January 7th, 2025? They were just planting seeds. And I'll go further. It'll be the Crips. It'll be the Bloods. It'll be Black Lives Matter.

it'll be the AKAs It will be TV networks Which we've already Kind of see And then it'll be It'll be

It'll be Voices It will be individual voices It will be social It will be social media Pages It will be They where will they stop

It'll be a slippery soap Nowhere They did that after Charlie Kirk They did that after Charlie Kirk Now Erica Kurt doing stand-up. Did you see it? Is she doing stand-out? Yeah, she got a Netflix special coming out. Stop it.

You didn't see that? I'm not. No, there's no way. Erica Kirk has a Netflix special coming out. It's called Erica Kirk all on my own. There's no way. There's no way. Am I tripping? Y'all did not see this? Erica Kirk has a stand-up special coming out. Erica Kirk. And Netflix is all on my own. Yeah, Netflix don't care. Not CBS, not Pyram-N. She comes out there. She's got a sweater on she got a little booze is Erica no no that's not how she comes out

what you know she comes out shaking that ass no with the pyrotex okay yeah she's got it have you not seen all that like the swinging the swinging in the piracy like no Erica come out there and then Nikki going to come in in the middle she'll be the opening act

do the opening act why did Nikki sign up for the Chitlin circuit I can tell y'all something right now it's like the Maga entertainers that's the Chitlin circuit it is that's the Chitlin circuit That's the Chitlin Circuit. You, if you are a, okay, because it's going to be more, y'all.

This year, I think we're going to see a lot of entertainers that we think used to be semi-down, go and do the magazine. I think, I just want you let y'all know. Why would you think now? Because we've already been seeing it. I know, but I just think it's a way when we didn't, when somebody's been turned off, it's just an instant way to get attention. It's just an instant way to get attention. some people in mind. I might make a list.

I might make a list of people that I think of, but just let y'all know. We haven't had a valet 10 in a while. There's a watch list of people that could go maga. It's a watch list. I got one. I'll tell you guys, that's the chilling circuit. Just let y'all know.

All right. Y'all gonna be on stage with Kiss. Now, shout out to, I guess Kiss was cool, but y'all gonna be on stage with Kiss now. It's a chilling circuit. Kid Rock. Kid Rock. We haven't given a fuck about anything.

think he's done in a long time. This is facts. We haven't given the fuck. We started... For sure, a decade. We started looking at Kid Rock. When Kid Rock first went country, we was like, okay, this sounds okay, but what are you trying to say, Kid Rock?

What are you doing? This is not Buy with a Buy. And then I remember, he forgot the words. Go back and look this up. This is when I knew Kid Rock was fake. So, Jay-Z did the BET Awards. and you did 99 problems. I want everybody to go back and look this up.

This is how you knew Kier Rock didn't take black culture seriously. Jay-Z did 99 problems. And he had Kid Rock on stage to be the voice of the cop in 99 problems. Hove casted this correctly. He could already see the future. Kid Rock forgot the words. Go back and look it. Look it up.

Kid Rock forgot the words. All you have to say, what did he say in 99 problems? Are you a lawyer or something? That's all you got to say. And Keir Rock couldn't say that. What did he say? I can't remember, but Jay-Z was being cool. Look at the bitch-ass, niggins.

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going to step into the summer. You don't need weather tech unless you plan on doing summer. Visit weathertech.com today. Reality shows, Donnie? Yeah, Spencer Pratt. He announced that he's running for mayor. He lost his home in that Palisades fire. And he announced his campaign at the they let us burn event in the Pacificity. What? What? one year anniversary of the fire. He announced his campaign at the what? They let us burn. Hold on for a second, man.

First of all, I'm not about to make light of that because if you take your car right now and you drive on sunset by the Palisades, it legitimately looks apocalyptic. A whole neighborhood and community reduce to fucking rubble, like Nino said. in New Jack City.

So there is nothing funny about that. But they let us burn is fucking, that's how they feel, though. That whole community of people up there. Everyone that I know had a home, everyone that I know had other homes. Because, you know, if you live in a palisage, you have one home, but you might just have two.

So everybody up there, they feel abandoned. They feel orphaned by the city. They do. Yeah. Yeah. They let us burn is crazy. When I saw this that he was running, I did not know that there was an event. There's a website even for this.

This is actually a movement. I guess I was shocked to hear that Spencer Pratt decided to run for mayor. I know that he's been very vocal and very critical with the governor and the mayor of L.A. And I'm not going to lie that obviously, you know, he lost everything. And his family did. and so many other people did, and there should be an awareness that is brought to what happened as they continue to heal and rebuild. But it is interesting that Karen Bass, who is also running for re-election, said that there are people

who are profiting off of this. And she's referring to the fires, to the let it, they let us burn rally. She said that they are intentionally profiting from social media, book deals, etc. And this is a time that we need to be about healing and moving forward and getting the community back. When you hear that statement that Karen Bass made and you think about Spencer Pratt, I don't know if you know this also, but they started doing a podcast and they do it from the lot where their house used to live. Spencer and Heidi? They were doing a podcast already. I was on it.

Yes, but they started a new fire podcast. They're not here anymore. They're not here anymore. Oh, okay. But they did a new podcast and they film it. in the rubble. Yeah. When you,

Spencer Brad, obviously for all the reasons we said, has, you know, been passionate about the fires and what happened, particularly in the palisades, don't really hear him talk about Altadena, but you can't run for office

based on one cause, in my opinion. And I, and, you know, he's within his right to fill us to whatever he does about the powers that be that run this city and this state.

But that is not enough alone to, for you to decide to run off your hate and off of one issue. And like I said, he lives from the, he is in the palisades, but there was more than one fire that happened within Los Angeles. And I do not hear him fighting in the same way for Alta Dino. Yeah. So, you know, I should I put this.

A couple of things. I've done a lot of work. I worked the stories today. I worked the stories today. So I asked a lot of people just around here how they feel about Karen Bass. And, you know, a lot of Angelinos here, transplants and, you know, homegrown Angelinos. And the answer that they gave me was either non-committal or I don't like her. And I was just the straw poll that I did around here at Spotify, non-comitinal, I don't like her.

So whether or not Mayor Bass has a bright future running this city, like we'll see. there were people that criticized her response to the fire. So they criticizing her for not being in town when they happened is a stretch. Yeah. Okay. The conditions were bad, but people leave town when the conditions are bad all the time.

I don't know if there was anything that demonstrated that a fire of that magnitude or a fire of any magnitude was imminent. And so criticizing her for that is a stretch. But people have criticisms about the infrastructure, about the way things handled, about whether or not anybody, cared. I know people that lost homes that want the state and local government to get involved in the way the insurance companies are acting. For sure. And that's a very valid claim.

Right. So, you know, if Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass, I know that they're doing some things, if they could be super aggressive with making sure that the insurance companies whose job is to make these people whole because of a natural disaster and how they're jerking these people around and not paying in Altadena and in the Palisades. The Palisades, people tend to have more means than the people in Altadena have, right? Or even canceled insurance policies prior to these fires. Right. I know one family that went all over the Western United States

trying to find some semblance of who they were. I mean, they've tried. Pacific Northwestern all places, they lost their home. Their lives have been completely reset. That being what it is. I'll say this. I, as you guys know, live through Hurricane Katrina. I will tell Spencer and Heidi this.

I'm not so sure that I agree that you can't run off one issue. I understand what you're saying. It wouldn't be enough for my vote. Right. I think that if you were going to run off one issue and it was smart, you could make the fire, the mascot of what you think is the inefficiency or structural weakness of LAC, C, and County. government. You could say, let me tell you how this fire shows everyone that we don't have the right

things in place to protect citizens of this city. You could do that. I'll tell you one thing now. I live through Hurricane Katrina. I live through it. There's a special place in hell, a special place for people that profiteer of that type of despair. For sure. A special place. If there is any part of anyone, Spencer, Heidi, anybody that is using a fire that devastating to promote their own personal brand, then you are a piece of shit. I cannot make that determination. Of course. Because I do not know why people are doing things.

But what I do know is that there were people in South Louisiana who we knew, I'm not talking about people that were doing some other stuff because some of that stuff I was like you know what's the government get the money but I'm taught there are some people who use the hurricane to push and promote their personal brand and once that was found out and easily provable those people were pariahs in both Baton Rouge and New Orleans once people got a sense

that you're using this type of suffering to come up and push something that you want to do, those people became pariahs. So whatever you're doing, whatever you're running from, I'm not going to tell you what politics to have. I'm not going to tell you, who knows. There's a bunch of people getting in the race. There's some Democrats getting into the race.

People are waiting to see if Caruso is going to get in the race. Karen Bass is going to be fighting for her life to be... She did the last time. She did the last time to be the mayor of Los Angeles. There's going to be a lot of people that come in and try to use this issue and some other things to end her tenure as the mayor. But if, in fact,

I can't tell anyone who's experienced this type of profound tragedy how to react and respond to it. But if it's not genuine and people find out it's not genuine, they're never going to look at you the same. And I have experience with it. People are going to then take you

and use you as the mascot of the terrible American that profiteers or pushes their career for, this ain't no fucking reality show based upon a lot of suffering that people went through. So, you know, just be careful. I can't tell him not to run for mayor.

I don't know if he's, you know, want you to run from there. You should run. Oh, no, I'm not a politician. Oh, big tics, big dicks have entered the chat. I knew you'd love this story. Big ones. Cockwagons. Let's talk about big penis.

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Haley, I believe her name is pronounced. Yeah. She was talking about his penis size on a Twitch. He's suing her for what she said. This is what she said. Like, yeah, yeah, I'm saying. No, I don't know what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. For a lot for how long?

Oh, no, she said. Shut the fuck up. Our whole marriage. No, dead ass. Dead ass. Shut the fuck up. I was going to try it off. Yeah.

Therapist. Doctor. Your fucking lying. Not even lying. Looked up like lipo. Like shit. You know what I mean? What?

Mm-hmm. What the fuck? That's like not triggered. It's like kind of funny. It's like my life is a comedy and it writes itself. But like, okay. The Q's bug. Okay, I don't want to like.

No. No, no, no. Was this like, was that the, that was the biggest factor? Yeah, the biggest factor, yes. Oh my God, but no chance, like no shot. No, because it was like he, like, like, he's like 0.01% of the population. Oh, is like that. Oh, yeah, of course.

Of course. Like, impossible. Like, unless it, you know, you're going to be in tears. She went on in that stream to say that it was the size of two Coke, two Coke cans, maybe a third. Jesus Christ. She said 0.001%. Matt breaking stereotypes, man. But Matt doesn't like it.

Right. Matt clearly doesn't like that she is speaking on behalf of his penis size. Now, this happened back in November, as Donnie said, 2025. I remember hearing about it or like seeing it in passing, but I didn't dwell on it. I just was kind of like, oh, okay.

but now that he has gone on to file a lawsuit, I feel like this brings way more attention to a story that really did get that much traction to now where everybody is talking about it. And it feels, and she goes on, she goes on to say, like, since he has filed this lawsuit, she has said that people took apart this one, and clip this one thing.

Of course they did, and she knew what she was doing. She's an influencer. She's about making viral moments. moments. Instead of paying attention, she says, to the entirety of her conversation where she talks about how he was such a good guy. They grew together. Everything was so great. They just couldn't get past this issue. She talks about how they're still good friends. And he is married now. And I think he, I believe he might have a child with his new wife. But she goes on to praise him and talk about how great of a guy he is. He goes on to sue her after this. And I couldn't find the

exact lawsuit, but I believe what he is claiming is an invasion of privacy for what he is calling degrading and deeply personal comments. He goes on to say that it was unwanted attention and an invasive commentary from the public. And he goes on to say in the lawsuit that she has been able to profit off of this while this has left him embarrassed and negatively affected him, his wife on social media and all of this. Your thoughts. About the lawsuit? About like I don't want to, I, if I had to assume, right?

And this is, and I'm going to go ahead and say that assuming here is wrong. I would think that men brag about this kind of thing and that he would be peacocking while his wife is talking about how big he is. it's actually shocking to me and again I'll say that that that can be wrong for me to do that that's just I guess a stereotype that I would think that men would be so proud of this

and instead he's embarrassed which is it goes against I guess the stereotype that I thought men would feel about this and I'm curious as to your thoughts again not all men are the same some people don't like this type of attention

some people do but he is going as far as to suing her requesting a jury trial and saying that the damages are over $75,000 that's what he is requesting because she commented on his penis size and said it was too big for her to handle and it destroyed their marriage

so I'm going to get to my analysis of what's happening here in a second but before I do I just got to think about this comedic aspect of his life life? What if his whole life, this has been the one thing that he has been ashamed of? It might be. What if like he's 12, 13, everybody's like, oh, here comes Big Cock Mad again. We hate you. Look at you. Everybody else in the fucking locker rooms got the little tiny wangers, right? And they're like, we can't. And he's just like looking at the mirror like, Jesus Christ.

God, why did you curse me with this fucking ginormous cock? No one understands me. No one understands me. He's like tucking it beside using one ball to like make a little bulge. He's like, this is his, what if this is his cross to bear? And he gets with her. That's fair. He like, he shows her.

It's like, I'm a little embarrassed about it. She thinks she, maybe she likes a tainty winger, right? She thinks she's going to get the tini winger. All of a sudden, this niggas, mandingo, Jack Napier, whoever you want to call him. this might be something that's really deep. That's a funny story because it really doesn't exist, right? Like it doesn't exist to your point. I'm going to be real with you.

It doesn't exist. Normally you slang in it like that. You find a reason to bring it up. You'll be playing basketball with somebody and somebody hit the last shot of the game. Game, big dicks. And you'll be like, what? Game what?

Yeah, nigger. Nine. Soft. 13 hard. I'll show you. Bro, you're okay. You're going out there. You get your meal from McDonald.

Order 3, 4, 5, 6, Bick, Cock, Benny. Your food is ready? Yeah, that's me. I'm Big Cock Benny, everyone. You're like, yeah. But no, you don't see this. You don't see a guy that's about this. I think this is something else here.

It's got to be. But he's basically saying, don't speak on me. He's saying, he's saying, he's saying don't speak on me says I don't want you to speak on me this has nothing to do with the dick thing because I mean I guess you could say what if she would have said being that this is taken as a positive what if she would have said

fucking this guy was the greatest guy ever like great and bed well not even great and bed just great like he's a light sleeper or whatever she did kind of use this as something that was a little pejorative meaning that it was the thing that ended there marriage. She is talking about his body. So if you were a little bit out of the, I guess, normal male as I see it, you could look at this and be like, hey, this is an invasion of

privacy. I don't want everybody talking about my dick. Certainly, if he was somewhere saying, hey, man, I'm not going to lie, I couldn't stay with her because the pussy was too good. It was too good. I just, I was obsessed with it and all that stuff like that. The structures are different, but most people would say you shouldn't be speaking on somebody. you're not with like that anymore. It just feels contradictory in the system. That's why I think it's something more because if you don't want attention,

nobody was talking about it this. I'm sure they were, right? Because I saw it when it happened. But now... You saw it. I saw the story. Oh, shit. I was about to say, what the fuck?

But I wouldn't be shocked if now people are trying to, like, they're looking at him, they're looking at pictures, they're trying to zoom it. Like now it is blown up to something even bigger. And if what you didn't want was Uh, on one attention and an invasion of your privacy, you're, you're bringing more attention to it. And the reason I said at the top of the show, I was like, this kind of stuff is scary

because even her attorney is saying he is dramatically, the jokes right themselves. He's seeking to dramatically expand. Yeah. Hell yeah. The existing law. Uh-huh. And establishing damaging new precedent. And I think that's the thing.

She is an influencer. She talks on social platforms. She's front of camera in what she does. If you silence someone for something like this, right? Defamation, that's why you can't sue for defamations. That means. Not defamatory. Yeah.

Like that's one thing, right? But for someone to just speak about their experience with a significant other, a friendship, you know, and they're not, and they don't have an NDA. So a business, whatever it may be, working relationship. for you to say, actually that's an invasion of privacy or you're not allowed to do that. It's kind of raising a First Amendment concern here. It's a slippery slope. The point is it might check her to where she won't say anything else. And maybe that's his purpose, right?

It's to scare her. He may drop it. They may settle this outside of it. But it is scary. You know, and I said, this makes me think of my own situation. If I talk about my experience on this podcast, if I do someone else's podcast, if I write a book are you going to try to use the legal system to bully me on a bogus frivolous claim? Even if I get it dismissed on that, right? I still have to spend the money to retain an attorney. I still have to fight this in the court of public opinion and in the legal system. It's just, it's just petty to me. This situation feels very petty to me. And I don't want to minimize how he may feel. I just feel like you're bringing even more attention to a situation that you're. You're bringing even more attention to a situation that you're just. You're just, you claim you don't want any attention from.

So it's what I'll say. He's doing two things. Number one, by following this lawsuit, he does bring more attention to the fact that he's got an Oregon Oregon Trail Cock Wagon, right? It's a covered wagon capable of going from C to the Shining Sea, right?

He's letting people know that. But he's also, don't speak on me. Yeah, yeah. You got your little streaming career, your little streaming career. Shout out to her. I don't know how big a streaming career. No, she's a pretty big influencer.

You got your career. Go have your career and have your career. Don't speak on me. I don't know if a lawsuit like this holds up. But this is essentially saying don't use our relationship, particularly my body, as part of the narrative that you are going to spend in your career. You would know better than I do whether or not that's legal,

whether or not it's petty. it's not something that I would do, right? Because to me, you know, you get into that type of talk, you're in a relationship with somebody. They have their own experience. They can tell whatever they want to tell, say whatever they want to say, as long as it's not fake or as long as it's not, I guess there are things that would be more intrusive than this to me. This wouldn't really bother me. But I do know that there are people that it would bother. Yeah, it may bother him.

I totally understand that. I do think that this is a real reach when it comes to the law of invasion of privacy. But it's- Dick? Cock? Well, what do you have to prove, right? And I don't know what state that she's in, but I believe in California, it has a lot to do with whether or not you've recorded somebody without their consent.

Like, that's usually what it falls under. Oh, you're talking about the specific invasion of privacy thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. doesn't cover. So there's evasion of privacy, you're saying it doesn't cover stuff that people can say about you. Not that I am aware of, but I don't also

know what state this is because I, you like, you couldn't access this lawsuit. I don't know what state this is, I don't know if the laws are different in a in another state, but not that I'm aware of that you know, that you're able to do that. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's a reach for him to be able

to do this. How far does it reach? And he's also saying that she profit. That's a question. He's also saying that she profited off of it And she didn't write a book She's not selling pictures or videos of you So I think it's going to be really hard to say Oh, because more people watched the stream It's not even her stream

That she actually made money off of it That she got viewers that that turned into something She got a lot of likes that that turned into money That's going to be really hard to prove That she made money off of this comment Could the settlement here be No money? Don't speak on me no more.

Should have done that in the first place. Yeah, maybe you didn't want to. I didn't sign one. You didn't sign an NDA? You ready. What kind of your question? How much of this is because of maybe you want to get your shit off and you don't want to be? Well, no, when I saw the, you know, 100% when I saw this, well, let's not, let's be honest.

I've dealt with a lot of petty stuff and particularly lies in my divorce is very messy. So I would not be shocked if something like this happens. Right. For sure. Right. And I saw this and I was like, wow, this could really be a president center. You can't see it happening by any means, especially in a California. Tough.

You know what I did know is before we move on from this? Play her sound once again, Donnie. Like, you know what I'm saying? No, I know what you're saying. But like, for a lot for how long? Oh, no. Shut the fuck up. Our whole marriage.

Shut the fuck up. No, dead ass. Dead ass. Shut the fuck up. I was going to try it off. Yeah, therapist, doctor. Donnie, pause it. That man's dick ain't why they broke up.

Dead ass, dead ass, dead ass. That's not why. She wasn't really at home. She wasn't really at home. I've never heard her talk. I've seen her stories. I've never heard her talk like that. She wasn't really at home.

I've never heard her talk like that, though. Yeah, yeah. She was meeting the moment. She knew exactly how to talk when she was in the right situation. She wasn't at home. No. She going to find her home. Watch.

You know how people say that they change their voices when they're in certain conversations? I've seen her videos. She don't talk like that. That's the first thing I noticed. Yeah, she doesn't talk like that. She talked like that to him. I can smell it. I can smell it.

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Let's hear from Chris. What's going on, y'all? You know, I'm not really one for resolutions and nothing like that, but I do have one that that I'm going to be leading with a lot more vulnerability and openness. in my work, in my life, whether it's here on the internet, you know, all my platforms and shit, or if it's in, if it's on that stage, you know. And in order to do that, I gotta really do that. So I wanna do address something that's,

that's kinda this, I guess, been around for a long time, by four, five years now, and, but you know, I've never addressed it. I know a lot of people talk about me dating, Kenyon Thompson's ex-wife. and how that came to be, you know. And, and I'm gonna just tell you to you straight, man. It wasn't no plan.

I, you know, I saw everything that everybody said. Every single thing that everybody said, I saw it, you know? And bottom line is I'm not the type of person to scheme on a person. I'm not the type of person to even date somebody that, like, one of my homies is dated. You know, this is a very unique nuance. thing that happened, you know, we were all cool. You know, there was nothing that I was never like hitting on. It was never nothing crazy until it got crazy, you know.

Bottom line is, you know, while I was at the show, I had some pill issues, you know, I had some pill problems. Nothing, nothing too crazy, but crazy for my black ass, you know. And I was even selling some to the people, so some of my castmates. I'm not going to, I'm not going to snitch on y'all. motherfuckers, man. But it was really funny to me that, like, I would be around, have, I would be around on this shit and people would talk shit about it and by, talk shit about me and I would hear them because, you know, some of that Adderall shit got your, got you fucking super hearing and shit. But wouldn't, like, help me, you know, I would have panic attacks. Wouldn't, like, be concerned about me and

nothing. Just would talk shit, you know? And it was crazy that somebody would watch you destroy yourself, you know? This lady was the only one to, to call me on my. my shit, helped me with my shit. She helped me with my therapy journey, you know, and she told me things about her life that made me look at a lot of people involved in it differently, you know. And in that time, we fell in love, man. And I felt bad from the start. It's always felt like an emotional double-edged sword for me because I really love everything me and Keeney, I really appreciated every piece of work that we put together. I think that we were a great team, and I hate doing something to somebody that I know would have.

hurt them. No matter who they are, no matter what they've done, you know, that's just not how I'm built. I must not built like that. I'm a player for this shit at all, you know, but I did choose love. And, and that's what this story is. And, you know, it made me look terrible, you know, it made me look terrible to people that I love. And, you know, a lot of my fans. So I didn't know how to do this without doing this. I mean, therapy, niggas. So, like, you know, a lot of my fans. So, like, Like, ever since I figured out that I'm like, I'm more sad and angry. All my angry issues, I've turned into tears, Nicky. Like, it's crazy, bro.

So obviously you saw him getting very emotional there. He then, after this video was posted, started going back and forth with people in the comment section. He says, I go, well, he said, I can't go back and forth with everyone, every mean message that I get. I understand you, Chris. But the home record narrative just isn't true, regardless of what you may feel about the situation. And cheating was never the case. They weren't together and had not been for years when we started. Not taking anything away, I said, but I felt this needed some clarification, man.

Are they still together? They are still together. I spoke with him this morning. I know Chris for a little while. Not crazy, close friends, but two guys that have tapped out and checked on each other and talked about different things and all of that stuff. And so I talked to him this morning and just wanted to see if he was okay. And you know what the funny thing is? The funny thing is that I feel like we're at similar points in our life.

Where it's not as if you want people's understanding of you, but you do want to be able to move authentically as who you are. And sometimes in real time, you have to talk through decisions that you've made about yourself and things that you've done. and ways that you've disappointed people, disappointed yourself. But also sometimes you just have to say, fuck it, this is me. And that's a hard thing to do.

It's a difficult thing to do to be like, you know what? This situation is not quite right as far as societally or culturally. I understand that this is looked down on or that somebody like me might be looked down on. But this is me. This is who I am. And anytime you do that, like particularly as a man, a damn, always breaks. Like a damn always breaks. Anytime you stand, you try to stand in truth and authenticity, especially if when you look at yourself, you see a lot wrong. You see a lot of bad.

You see a lot of people that you've hurt because you can go from day to day month to month, year to year, trying to rack up wins and never see the trauma that you're causing or never see the things that you've done or the stuff that you're running away from. And then as soon as you see it all for a second, it's like debilitating. So like, you know, obviously, know him a little bit. So I responded in kind, call him up, see what's up. But the same time, you know, I get that that's not going to be something that people are going to say is okay or understand.

But I get where he's coming from. The being with your friends. Being with your friends, X. Did he say why he decided to put out a video? Yeah. He told me, I mean, it's pretty much in the video. He told me he decided to put out the video because I personally think he wants to, we talked about it, he wants to turn a page in his life.

He wants people to have clarity on that. And maybe it's an albatross that's hanging over him if, in fact, there's no clarity out there. Because he really didn't, when it was reported that he was dating Kina's ex-12, wife, they're really, I don't remember him really speaking on it. I felt like they, they, the only thing that was really announced is that they had, they were divorced and they had been separated for a couple of years even before the divorce was filed or finalized. That was it. And then it seems like, that's why I asked, are they even still together? It just seems like, you're talking about Chris and the lady are still together. Right. But that's why I asked if they

were still together because I'm saying there hasn't been much attention around it other than the fight, the divorce, something must have come out from their side saying that she had been separate, they had been separated a few years before the divorce was finalized. But I haven't really seen anything. It was, I don't know what, I've never been in that situation before.

You know, I know he explains it to how it turned in from friendship to falling in love. I've never been in it. I'm not, I can't say that I'm above it. But what made me sad is that he seems like he lost, He chose love and lost a lot, like friendships, maybe even affected his career in certain ways that I would imagine. He and Keenan, not just on Saturday Night Live, he was on Keenan's show. Like, they were obviously very close.

I don't know why they divorced. I don't know any of that because he makes a comment where he says, she helped him, but he learned certain things, almost like a, I learned that maybe he learned something about Keenan or their marriage. There's a comment that he makes there. Yeah, that don't matter, though. But I'm just saying, I'm just saying he said that. I was like, hmm, I did note that you kind of get to kind of threw that in there just a little bit. That you want to stay away from. Whatever happened in their marriage is what happened in a marriage.

Right. But I did note it. I just want to say. I was like, hmm, okay, maybe maybe don't say that part. But it was sad to see for me to see him fill the need to go on social media and for whatever reason he wanted to speak his people. and then feel like he needed to defend that in the comments. I would have wished that he could have, for whatever reason, he needed to say what he needed to say, get that off his chest because he hasn't really spoken about it,

and then continue to move on. And, you know, instead it's like he, I'm not sure that it was great for maybe his mental health to have to argue and continue to prove himself to people. Because as we know doing this thing, people are, you're beating a dead horse trying to prove yourself to people. People are going to make up their minds and think what they want to think. If you want to say something to make yourself feel better, great or that you feel like you need to do that to move to turn a corner, great.

But trying to win favor with the public, that's more than likely going to be a losing battle. And you can see him getting emotional over all that. And that's sad to watch. This is like, you know, messy shit happens. Messy shit happens. Now, look, this is one of the ones that. That is really, this is one of the ones that get volleyball more than anything. Because you know the Lee Majors, have I talked about the Lee Major situation before?

Yes. So that's always so fascinating to me. If you guys don't know the story, quick version, Lee Majors, fucking, like, federal prosecutors are investigating Letitia James and her hairdresser now. Not going to stop coming there until they get it. No. We're going to have more on that on Monday. Just broke. New York Times.

I just saw it. not going to stop investigating until they get it. But like, you know, Lee Majors asked Ryan O'Neill, who is his friend at the time to take, I guess, his wife at the time, Farrah Fawcett, out on the town. Lee Majors got to go shoot a movie somewhere else. He asked Ryan O'Neill to hang out with his wife. They hang out and they fall in love.

And Lee Majors is fucking out of here. And Ryan O'Neill and Farah Fawcett are together until Farah Fawcett dies. Obviously, it's a fucked up situation. in your opinion does the length of that relationship and the fact that they seem to be each other's one true love in any way change the perception of the fact that the two people were friends before?

Does... Oh no, it's messed up. Does it soften the blow if in fact these people... If you're one true love, anybody can answer. If your one true love is with or was with

one of your one true friends does it change things? Well, that means you have to believe that you can Oh shit. That was a strong yes. Who's that? Bernard. Speak up.

Speak up, Bernard. I want everybody's opinions. Donnie, too. Does it change the situation? Not just, not just talking about you sneaking around, but this person, the feelings are so strong. So to take your example,

you have to, that means you have to believe that that was her one true. love. That would assume, yeah, that that you can only have one love. You don't know that she could have lived and had a great life with Lee Majors until the very end. You never know. But I am a person who believes that you can, based on time and situations and where you are in your lives, that you can have more than one love. I believe that. Okay. But for me, just to know your best friend, Hey, look. That's a tough pillow swat.

I would think you'd always been looking at her. Maybe she was always looking at you. It's not a fairy tale to me. That's a. It's, come on, man. We all know that that's the whole reason for having friends is to, but at the same time, shit happens. And like, you mean, it happens.

At the same time, shit happens. And the question is, if this was the one true love of yours, would you pass up on that one true love because of the friendship code? Is the friendship code? What's more important? The friendship code or I'm going to be happy with my one true love code? I cannot imagine losing. And again, I may not be above it.

I said that at the beginning of this. I just couldn't imagine losing one of my best friends who, you know, has been there with me for so much over taking the risk of maybe falling in love with someone or maybe, you know, this being loved of my life. I just couldn't see it. but you just never know. You never know. I want to introduce my man,

Chris into a club, man. He's inducted into a special club. Chris, I hope you hear this, brother. It was great talking to you. But welcome to the men who have cried on the internet club. Oh, my God. Chris, you are in such a good company.

Like me, Will Smith, Tyrese Gibson, Michael Jordan, LeBron, like so many men we have cried on the internet welcome to the club Kanye

Kanye West Chris you're in the club now you guys could play it right here last year Jason Wilson came on the podcast I ugly cried over some shit that I haven't worked out Chris don't feel bad

about it which I'm sure you don't I know you don't feel empowered that you are part of an exclusive club and guess what? Nigel, we're gonna cry again. What the fuck? I went to see Hamnet. Oh, how's that?

Destructive. Oh, because of what happens to the Hamlet. Pure despair. Did you know the story? At the end of the movie could not hold it together at all. Ugly cry. Can I ask, spoiler alert,

do you see? Because obviously it's a fictional tell because there's not much that's really written about Hamnet, Shakespeare's son, and he died so young, is the whole, do the whole movie, do you get to see the life of Hamnet and then the tragedy happens, or does it happen? And then you see them dealing with it and trying to pick up the pieces. You get to see some Hamlet. Okay. You get a little Hamlet. Hamlet's in there. The after they have playing Hamlet, like, cute little white guy is around there.

You would be sad if he wasn't around. He was cool. Poor guy. Like, but Hamlet, destroyed me, right? If you could have got, that was the same way I cried when Jason was here. So welcome to the club. Dionne Sanders also a member of this club,

all right. So just welcome to the club. Duane Wade. I think we should normalize this. Like, be, feel how you feel. And don't feel like you have to hide it. Yeah.

And Chris. It's a great club to be in. Chris, you produced, those were, that was robust tears. Those were good tears. He had the thing where your eye glazes over

real quick when the light hits it real quick. My tears just drop. my tears don't want to stay in my eyes just like they go man bitch ass niggins boom and they come straight down Chris does the thing where he gets the tear they well up they well up in the thing and then after they well up

to him up boom and that's a more that's a better cry it's a prettier cry that might be a cry that he also learned in drama because like I'm not you taking the no no I'm not saying that he's not I'm not saying that he's acting I'm saying that he is

probably utilizing those tactics It is... It is more dramatic because when you see... When you see somebody about like... My tears well up in my eyes. You just go crazy. You cry like...

You know what you... They... Like, you can see it because there's been times you've been like, you're about to cry. You're about to cry. So it's like a...

It's more of a dramatic effect. Yeah. Like they, you see it and then you start to feel you're like, oh my gosh, is she okay? She's about to cry. And then they start, it's... You know who you cry like, though?

You cry like a mama on a TV show that has lost their baby the gang violence. No, it's not, that, mine are not that dramatic. You get, like, you know,

my son. Like, you cry, like, you know, like you're trying to, or, or, you know what, this is how you cry. You cry like the mama

that's in front of the house telling the gangs to leave their son alone. That's more fit. That's more fitting. That's actually the cry. That is to cry. You don't come by this house no more.

It's angry. It's angry, but emotion. at the same time, it's an angry, sad cry. Because, like, when I get really angry, I cry. Cry, so you crying out there. And then one of the gang, Big Slick, the leader of the gang, he goes, y'all, let's roll out.

And they walk away. And I'm standing there with the broom in my hand. Get your ass in the house! Get the house! I don't ever want to see you with those boys. That is my cry. That's your cry. 100%.

So look. This is you. I want to say something before I go. Everybody was a, so I want to plug something that I'm doing right now. Shout out to my new substack. Fuck you if you disagree. That's the name of the substack. Yeah, it's called, I thought that was just the title of your first article.

No, it's called, fuck you if you disagree. That's the name of the substack. So it's been released. The Marty Supreme article is up right now. Marty Supreme is a title Perry movie. You guys can go with my substack right now. Fuck you if you disagree. Van Laketon a substack.

But also I'm going to do something else on substack. I got one coming on Saturday, on Sunday. We publish every Sunday morning. This one is about why I'm obsessed with race. We published me. It's just me. Okay, if you disagree. The next one is why I'm obsessed with race, why I'm race obsessed.

That's, and I give sort of an explanation as to how this happened and why it happens and why it might not continue. So that's on Saturday. But Sunday, should I say Sunday morning on Subtac, subscribe to the Subtac. When were we doing the whole thing, Donnie, help me out here where you couldn't talk about race? How long was that supposed to go on? I don't know. Because that lasted maybe two episodes.

Can't do it. One and a half. Donnie, that was definitely last year, maybe like a May. We never made it to the end of May. Because I think you said if you do, maybe it was April. If you did, you would take your shirt off at the live show. And you definitely failed and then you chickened out about taking your shirt off

at the live show. Right, Donnie? So at one live show, I might have to take my shirt off at one of these live shows. We're going to do one in 2026. We're going to do one in 2026. I'm going to have to take my shirt off. I will say this, though, that there was somebody that was just really mad that I didn't take my shirt off.

Like somebody on Reddit. They were super pissed off. I thought you went on the Reddit. This was back then, though. No, no, no. This was almost like a year ago. My Reddit, you know. Like in a way that,

you said something like they really they just wanted to see you i don't know what it was so my um so i got off the redid really when i saw my mom on the reddit rightfully so they posted my mom on the redid and i'm like no i didn't see that but fuck the reddit but but um not fuck the reddit but like obviously i'm not this is yeah fuck that part of the reddit like it is what it is but um it's plus that's for them it's not for me i'm not supposed to be on this for them um but i saw somebody it was like yo when was a live show may somebody was like, yo, did Van take his shirt off? And then everybody was like, no, he didn't take a shirt off.

Like, he's full of shit. He's a liar. I'm like, oh, my God. What the fuck is going on? The van's full of shit. Well, you better get to it. Yeah. I owe them.

But you'll be in training by that point. Yeah, I'm in training now. I'm doing my thing now. No. Why? Because of, oh, yeah. Oh, we got something to announce. This, this. summer, the higher learning games are happening.

It's going to be all of us, including Donnie and maybe Junie. Right? All of us, including Donnie, we're going to get together for a sports competition. Yeah. You guys suggest some games. Think of the field days that you used to do, but this is bigger. We're already thinking, we've got to do basketball. Because Van talks too much about it.

What do we say? Rock climbing. Rock climbing. Rachel put that one in there for her. That's a Rachel dub. Yeah, I can't wait to see me up there, rock climbing.

40 yard dash. 40 yard dash. That's probably another racial dub. There's going to be so much jiggling on the dash. It's going to be crazy. Then we said ping pong, table tennis, Marty Supreme situation.

And maybe some other things that we're going to do here, maybe throwing the football. I'm freakishly good at ping pong. Huh? I'm freakishly good at ping pong. It's been a while. It's been a while.

It's been a while. The higher learning games are coming. right donnie do you have any suggestions for games that we're going to do i'm trying to think of things that i would be good at uh which are running let's do sack races sack just the higher learning i just see the funniness in that this going to be the summer we might invite y'all out to watch this to watch the higher learning games because you know i'm not trying to play basketball outside it's like get all my shit shred it up so we might need to rent a gym or something but we're trying to get y'all for a

two-day event, a weekend event. Two days. Yeah. We don't do all these games in one day? They're quick. And not that quick, man. We need two days. This is a whole two-day higher learning event.

Well, maybe it's one day. I don't know. Maybe it's one day. Rachel's right, one day. One day we do the higher learning games and we crown the higher learning athletic champion. We'll do it like a family reunion. Right.

So maybe not the rock climbing because I can't be there. But we have a family reunion, a higher learning family reunion. We invite everybody out and then we play games. We play games. And then you know what? You puck motherfuckers? I want y'all to do it too. Because I'm sick of y'all's shit.

I want to see y'all put something on the line. So it's not just going to be me out there doing all of this stuff hanging out. I want to see y'all do it as well. Y'all, we're going to crown the champion of higher learning and then the champion of the thought warriors as far as athletics are concerned. I wanted to do this a couple of years ago. I wanted to have what I call a regular guys combine. Because I posted on Twitter one time, I said, what would be your 40 time

if you ran it right now? You niggas are stupid. They said anything under four is ridiculous. I mean, anything under five is ridiculous. Like guys came back, I think I could run a four, six right now. Come on. What you niggas don't know is that four six is fucking flying. You're not under five.

So many people's like, if I, like, you know, right now I think, in high school I think it was like a four, three or four, four. No, you weren't. You were never that. That's not what you ran. Like, everybody's like, oh, my God, I can do this. I can do that. No.

And so I told Bill, I was like, you know what we should do? Me and somebody who doesn't work anymore, work here anymore, somebody went to a different organization. And he's gone. I was like, we should have a combine for just regular guys. Get all of the regular guys out there that think they can do this shit and put them through a combine at SC or something like that. What qualifies you as a regular guy?

This means that you have to have been, if you played in high school and college, that's fine. See, college I think should eliminate you. But if you haven't played in like 10 years, But you could have ran a fourth four in college. Man, I'm gonna be real. You can't be a collegiate athlete. You had to have the aspiration to do it. But Rachel, I got, I think, okay, that's fair.

But let me say something else, though. It's not as many collegiate athletes that ran a four-four as you think that they are. No, no, that's true. I know, I know. But I just think that it makes it more regular if, because, you know, there's a lot of guys that, like, man, when I was in? And you're like, oh, when did you play? And it's like high school. That's the kind of person I want out.

there. Okay, cool. Okay, cool. So we might do the combo. I used to dunk high school. But the, but I dunked at 39. It's the last, my last successful dunk is at 39. It's not a great dunk, but I dunked that bitch. I got video. So, please, please insert it right here. Well, is it timestamped? What did you just say? Insert. Oh my God. What? You can't say that. Yes, I can. You can't say that. Yes, I can't. You can't think it like that. You just said, please, you can't say that. You can't think like that. Please insert it right now.

You can't. That's like something you, all just aside, you can't say that. Yes, you can. You need to say, how? I'm just saying like you, the way you just said that is crazy. You can't say, okay. It's like you can't say anything. I'm just being honest with you.

You can't do that with every single thing. That's crazy. That's crazy. Uh-oh. Also, um, man. Man. Also on, fuck you if you disagree. Since you guys want to talk to me so much about things that I

say on the podcast, I'm going to start going live on substack. I didn't even know. You could do that. You can. I talked to somebody. Somebody saw me posting on substack. And the substack people were so thrilled. They're helping me guide.

They're helping guide me through my subsack journey. I'm going to start going live on substack, I think, from two to four. Jesus. Where anyone that wants to talk about, you have to be a subscriber though. Anyone that wants to talk higher learning stuff, maybe even you want to do a topic, you want to get directly at me. You want to talk your shit. Come do it on the substack.

Fuck you if you disagree. I don't know if it's going to be next Thursday. It's going to be the first one. But it's going to be the Thursday after that for sure. I need to do a test. You need to do a test of the substack. Okay. We got to get out of here.

Two hours is crazy. Maybe one. I'll see how long you keep that up. Maybe one hour. One hour makes sense just to get your shit off a little bit. I want to talk to you guys. You get your shit off a bit. I can.

I could stream for like hours. No, no, you can. But like, just like, a healthy. Healthy time is an hour. Speaking of streaming, Hassan Piker is coming on higher learning. Nice. Hassan. No, I obviously know that he's coming on.

Don't turn it into something. It's not nice. You like Asa? I don't have an issue with Hassan. I asked him to take you on the date when I was on his stream. Why do you do that? You did that on the stream? Yeah.

Did he get uncomfortable? Yeah, he did. Yeah. I mean, I had, I think I had Hassan. Hassan's a great guy. I think I had, man, Hassan was hitting the, me and Hassan was hitting the crown. me and Hassan I did it oh you got lit on that that's fine me and son hit the crown I gave Hassan had a black Santa back there that was that was doing black Santa stuff he had a black Santa

and when he told me how he got the black Santa it was an interesting story I gave the black Santa a whole oh I don't know I feel about that man we talk to him about it when he comes here he comes here so you're telling me when you said you should date Rachel he had a look of disgust on no he did not have a look of disgust I just think a lot of people aren't as free with stuff as I am and he was caught off guard a little bit Hassan,

great guy. He's going to come on a podcast. Can't wait from him to come on a podcast. We were going to talk about

Zion Williamson and the only fan situation. It's not much to say. Yeah, there really is. It's not much to say. Just do whatever you want.

It's fun. I think the more thing that, I think the thing that I learned about this was for myself. I'll tell you why. One day, I hope that there's a situation like this, and I don't know who the woman is.

I hope one day to not have... Oh, is she a popular model? I don't know. She's popular, but she's one that I knew. Not that there was a whole deal, but she's one that I, that I, the dope chick 69, she's one that I, I knew she was. It's like, not like one of my old faves, but I knew who she was. And so we're building up to the days where I'm not going to know that.

But Zion, just, you know. The model says that he's the... That baby looks like him. She brought up side by side. Let me see. Somebody did. I can see that. Yeah, you see him.

Stop it. Hey, look. I'm not... I told you one picture to look at. What you want me to do is like, you know, this is how you... This is how niggas want to do it. This is, I'm not, I can't judge.

Remember, I don't judge. You know, I see myself in Zion. This is how niggles want to do it. I don't judge. I can't judge, but, you know, know, if, if in fact there is a uncle or a big cousin, a big brother, Zion, uh, Jai even, not on this tip, but on different tips, just, you know, just do one of these. Huh.

This is the thing. Hey, bro, hey, man. Just like one of these. Just a little, the arm, this is the, this is the deal. Come over here. Hey, how are you doing, man? You're getting strong. You're getting strong.

Hey, motherfucker. You good? Because it's a lot of fucking shit. What you fuck are you doing? It's one of those to Zion. One of those. Yeah. Yeah, say so.

If he is the father, please step up and, you know. I just tell you guys, if you're the father and you don't step up, step up, whatever. Yeah, we got to go. If you're the father step up, it's your child. So we shouldn't have to tell you to step up. You should want to give your child. Yeah, whatever, man. You know, step up.

Step up like it's something that, like it's a choice. It's your child. It's crazy, though, that she wrote on her Instagram. Let's play a game, who's my baby daddy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's funny. That's wild.

Did she put a list of people on there? I don't know. I'm just looking at what's in the red zone. Let me see. I didn't click on it. Let me see. I don't know if I can. We really got to go.

She said, play. Let's play a game. Wait, she said, let's play a game. Wait, she said, let's play. play a game, who's my baby daddy, three laughing emojis, and added TMZ. Oh, shit. Yeah, she did put some other categories up there. Oh, shit.

Added TMZ is when you know. And I want to say shout out to hotnewhiphop.com. This image of Zion, this is good. Okay, the image that y'all use, that's old, y'all got my TMZ. The image that y'all use is good. All right. Take thin caps off, but do not stop. learn I'm Van Leeton Jr.

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