Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - Mississippi Water Crisis and Serena the Great

Episode Date: September 2, 2022

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to the institutional failures that left Jackson, Mississippi without water (20:25), Serena Williams’s performance at the U.S. Open (35:24), and discuss Jay-Z’s relationship with capitalism (55:57). Hosts: Van Lathan Jr. and Rachel Lindsay Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Howe learning is on. It is I Van Lathie, and it's me, Rachel Lynn Lindsay. Rach. How's your week, man? Fan?

Yeah, I'm here. Thank you. Listen, before you got on, we were talking about the heat. Is the heat getting to you? Is the heat getting to you? What, wait. The way you talked about my beloved dad, and the 105 degree weather that you were in for multiple days and how you'd wake up in the

morning and it was 90-something and you go to sleep at night and it was still in the 90s. We're going through what they're calling a heat dome right now. I'm there even heard of something like that. You watch the news. It's like a dome of redness of how far reaching this heat wave is right now in L.A. And you're not talking about it. It's literally 106 degrees right now. Okay.

This is a good point. I have to admit. First of all, I just want to let you know that I love Dallas. I told you this. But we focus on the negative. So the fact that I say it's hot in Dallas is just... That's all you would talk about. You would screenshot the weather for five days and post it.

It was funny. Yo, it is mad hat. I'm not going to lie. But because I'm still dealing with the jet lag, like I've been spending time in, yeah, man, it fucks with me bad, right? It's dumb. It's dumb. Maybe it's my fat body. Maybe half of my fat body is still in Greece, you know?

Maybe I left calories. Ten years. Anyway. No, to your point, though, it is worth kicking somebody because, like, I just took Bowman out. It is. It is worth kicking somebody. Because I just took Bowesman out. and we got outside and Bowesman never poops quickly.

He really, he really makes you earn it. Boseman's like, nah, I'm not about to use the bathroom. And like, it's a beautiful day out here. This time, uh-uh. Bowesman went right to the grass, boom, and then looked up at me like, like, let's get inside. I got fur. And it's, it's very hot, very hot outside.

I cannot believe you took Bozeman out at 3 o'clock. What you mean? What was supposed to do? You have to take. him out early in the morning and then right it does. It's too hot for the animals to be out. Has Bozeman ever told you

it's too hot by his paws? Maybe, but Bozeman's a big dog, though. I don't look even worse. Well, I'm saying it's like he has to crap. He has to poop in the middle of the day. He's going to hold the poop and the pee. He's got to go out in the middle of the day. You only take copper out for two breaks.

Copper only gets two. But copper goes to doggy daycare. So he's got like like a like a handmade. that's probably like waiting on him. Koffer goes to daycare, yes. He goes. But no, it's too hot for the dogs. It's too hot for him right now.

Poor Bozeman. I got a new book in. It's called The Third Reconstruction by Poneal Joseph. Oh, shout out to UT. Shout out to UT. Shout out to UT. There are two jewels of UT, Rachel Lindsay and Pineal Joseph.

Other than those two people, UT has never produced anything worth anything. But Poneil Joseph, you guys have to get this book. America's struggle for racial justice in the 21st century. Penil Joseph is fantastic. He's got a new book. I'm not getting paid for this at all, but I got the book and I'm so excited to read it. And so I hope that you guys would read it too.

Oh, look, look, look. He put me on the back of the thing. I didn't even realize this till now. What does it say? A marvel. So these are the people that are on the back of the thing. Michael Eric Dyson I don't know whoever

Black because I don't really know But yeah so it Poneil Joseph's the third reconstruction Wow and he didn't know I would like to correct you for a second There are some other jewels That have come from University of Texas One being pretty hair

Oh pretty hair Pretty hair with there? Yes and the other being the judge I'll be honest with you though Pretty hair and the judge are dope But they ducked me when I was in Dallas So I can't They can't give them that same respect.

Don't do them like that. I can't put their business out there. Don't do them like that. They were. They ghosted me. They were very upset. They were so excited. It almost like bothers me how much my parents really like you.

I wanted to go into chambers. I've never been in a judge's chambers before. My dad would welcome you with open arms. What is your dad where under the? the judge rope. A suit. Really? It's just like a suit? A full suit. Yes. Can you wear whatever you want? Can you wear whatever you want?

Sure. So if your dad wanted to wear like Hawaiian shorts and like you can do whatever you want. Absolutely. So dope. What else has been going on? I talked to Brian today about my back briefly. I'm going to go over there. I'll be sure to tell him though. You sent

out though a tweet requesting assistance with your back. But knowing you could have, you could have hit up Brian at the same time. You could do both. It's, I don't think you understand how intimidated it is to be around Brian. He's fully clothed. He's not walking around.

But it's still, he's still super lean in the scrubs, though. You know how people kind of spill out of their scrubs a little bit? Not Brian. I think he got the extra small scrubs as well. The last time I was in there, Brian. Brian, Brian get his, be honest, be honest with me. Brian get his shit tailored, don't he? No, he does.

Yes, he does. Yes, he does. Brian doesn't get his scrubs off the rack. Brian get this shit Taylor. When we were Tamsie tour guides, one of the tour guides, Keith, who I've told you guys about who eventually got fired for chasing somebody in the bathroom and asking for a tip. Keith, one time I looked at him, I'm like, bro. how does your shirt like fit so well you know what I mean because at that point I was in the best shape but the shirts are they're boxing they're not cut to like how's your shirt fit so well

bro he goes I'll get it tailored I'm like what it's a true professional yeah it's like I take it to the tailor and I get the shirt tailored so that it's tailored to me I'm like god damn and I see Brian me and Kalika went to us I'm like I look at Kalika I'm like the nigga got them screw up's tailored that she tailored man did you go today No, I didn't. I'm going next week. I'm going to go next week. I got people were, people were sending me DMs on Twitter about last week's Monday's podcast. Wait, which part? Oh, people were upset about the, listen, they were equally mad at both of us. About what? People were upset about your take on student loans and they were very upset with me about my take on the therapist.

The therapist? We tried. We tried to get the therapist on the show. Should we, do you think that we should have the therapist on the show? I do. I do. But I don't want to get her in any more trouble professionally. That's the thing. She's going to say something nuts.

But I do feel like she needs to say something, especially with the revelation of the other video that's come out, you know, because you set me up for failure. Actually, that's not true. I had to defend. I had to defend. I wasn't going back. I had to fall on the sword and just keep going.

I still wholeheartedly believe what I said, though. I want to clarify that. I did not in any way set you up. What I was doing was reading the document and then realizing that that video wasn't in there. And so I'm in real time. I'm doing that. Donnie? Donnie?

Seriously, Donnie. Didn't I send you the video? I'm like, yo, play this one. Because I'm looking at it in real time and I'm realizing that that video is not in there. I'm like, yo, play this one. Because this one is, this one adds context to what a lot of people feel like were her thoughts. but yeah so I'm sorry that looked like that. Is that what people were DMing you about?

No, people were DMing me about student loan forgiveness. I got so many loans. I got like a three fucking page thing about student loan forgiveness. It's because you don't have loans, right? No. So you're not with us. You don't get us. You're not.

I am definitely with y'all. To give an analogy maybe of what we're going to talk about later, you are Jay-Z. I'm the JZ of student loans What? What? That's you. I'm a gangster capitalist. There's a disconnect.

So why? Why do you feel like there's a disconnect? What did I say do you feel like that was so wrong with student loan forgiveness? Do you not remember as you were talking and I was like, wow. Yeah. Wow. I really was expecting you to be like, no, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

But it was as if you didn't understand, you almost made it seem like it's our fault that we choose. education and making that choice, we have to understand the consequence of that they're going to be loans. And you weren't giving any kind of, I guess, weight towards that the loans are outrageous. And they're like benefiting off of us. They're telling us we need an education. You weren't giving that side any weight, which was shocking to me. Greece, you know, maybe you go, you go. You live this fabulous, luxurious, luxurious. Jury is vacation and Greece. You're on yachts.

You're on the water. Oh, yeah. You're eating at five-star restaurants. Ooh, stars. Drinking the eel? Disrespecting the food. Yeah, drinking ill, then throwing it up. You know what I mean?

Like, oh, turning your nose at it. You come back. You're a changed man. You're a different person. You are the JZ of student loans. I'm the bourgeoisie of student loans. Look, I this one, look, I have somebody that told me how

inappropriate the analogy that I made about, moving to LA was. And I thought about it. Okay. I think it's a perfect analogy. Oh, no. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why.

I wanted to be in, I wanted to be in entertainment. Right? If I want to be in entertainment, like the person that wrote me said, like you didn't have to move to L.A. I had to go to school. That's not true.

I had to move to Los Angeles to do what I'm doing. I had to move to Los Angeles to do what I'm doing, right? Had to. There's no way around it. So at some point for me to be able to plan to move to L.A., number one, there were no loans that I could take out to do that. Maybe they weren't, but I didn't know. I had to understand what that's going to cost me. I don't think that, I think that if anything, what I'm, I'm not saying that people don't have to go to school.

they definitely have to go to school. But the fact that you have to go to school doesn't mean that you shouldn't factor in what it's going to cost you to go to school. Because I look at this the same way I look at reparations. They definitely should pay reparations to black Americans, right? But what if they don't? Like, what if they don't?

How are we going to succeed in America at the economic sort of disadvantage that we have now if they never make it right because they don't have to and on the student loan front unless we're going to subject another generation of people to having loans that they can't pay back I think now is a good opportunity to have a conversation a real conversation about people taking on this type of debt and if you feel like you're still going to do it still do it but along with that conversation, we have to put maybe a cap on tuition, maybe, and we have to talk about sort of the way the schools and the loan people are, you know, playing games against America's working

class. But having said that, there's still a component to this, and I don't understand why it's so controversial, there's still a component to this to where if you're looking at a situation to where you're going to take off $65,000, $100,000 with the debt. when you graduate, especially knowing what we know now that the jobs aren't out there for you to nuke that loan money when you get out of school, we definitely have to have a conversation, I feel like, about people and how much debt they're going to saddle themselves with. I think that's a responsible conversation I have because I don't think people were having that 15, 20, 30 years ago.

Right. So what's wrong with having that conversation? And I really don't understand what the big deal is. I don't think that anyone was saying that you can't have that conversation. That wasn't the issue. It was that you were dismissing because I brought up the example to you when we were coming up. Education was the way to succeed. That was the path to success. You brought up the LA example. You wanted to enter a specific field with a specific talent and that was a specific place to go. Going to college in general is not as specific. It was you go to college. It's going to provide you with an education.

you're going to spread your wings and find a specialized field that's going to get there. Like it casts a wider net. And so I think that's why I had a problem with the LA thing because it is a choice. You're right. They're choices that were made. But that is more specific as opposed to you need a college degree to succeed. You wanted to do something in L.A. in a specific way.

Do you understand like the difference? I think not really. See, I think I understand that they're, I understand that they're not the same, but I don't see the difference. What I'm saying is I had to move to a place that was super expensive, super expensive. Where I had to have a car. I didn't have a car at the time. And I had to figure out in my life how I was going to make that happen. Like for me, a lot of people just go out there and then they do it.

And so for me, I had to look at that and make a plan to do it. And what I'm essentially saying here is I know that you have. to go to college. You, you, you, that America has made to where you have to go to college. That doesn't mean it, but, but what I'm saying is, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a plan to pay your loans, your loans back. Okay, but that's, but that's what that's the difference. You choosing to go L.A. is a decision that you made for yourself that you put on yourself. You just said it. America, this country tells you, or at least it did tell you at a time we were coming up that you had to go to college to be successful. And they didn't also tell,

But like if that's the only option, you're not giving me a choice. My success is dependent on this education that you are making super expensive for me. And the flip side of it is what's not happening. And that's the conversation that you were talking about. We're not having a conversation about financial literacy. We're told you will have success. But I agree with that part. This country was telling us you had to have this route to have success.

And that success would afford you the opportunity to pay back what you were borrowing. And it doesn't. That's the issue. And so, right. And so the only thing that I'm saying is, okay, cool. Student loan forgiveness is good. Forgive the loans, $50,000, whatever. Forgive them to the entire deal, right?

When I went to college, I didn't take out loans, but I did do other things that college students did to fuck my credit up. I did buy a computer that I couldn't pay for. I did run up credit cards that I couldn't pay for. All the same stuff, like when you, as soon as you get there, they have a credit card thing like set up for the kids to come get a credit card

and all of that stuff. I did all of that stuff. The reality is my life still got affected by that because my credit did and I had to figure out how to pay that stuff off. So if I'm talking to somebody now, I'm going to say to them, hey, when you go to school,

maybe don't run to the credit card fees a kiosk and get the $1,000 limit credit card when you don't have a job to pay it back or you might even be using your loans to pay it back So now you're double dipping into this entire situation. Like, I guess for me, when I look at something that you feel like you have to do to succeed, whatever that thing is. Because a lot of people need, like a lot of people need a lot of stuff to succeed, right?

Like if you want to be a YouTuber, you might have to get a brand new camera. You might have to get a different type of setup. There are things that you can do, the things that they're expenses to every single step to success that you want. want to have, right? And you have to figure out how it is that you're going to pay for that stuff. Now, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the, with the loans, sure, there's extra pressure to go to college. What I'm telling you is our choice is either to, right now, our choice is either to have another generation saddled with this debt. That's a drag on the economy, right? Because they don't have the spending power or our choice is to

say, hey, maybe we, maybe we're not at the position right. We're not in the position right now in America where these institutions are going to be willing to address this, but we will, especially for young black kids who are disproportionately affected by this. So we, like, we need to be able to have conversations about how much debt you can sustain in your life at 21 or 22 years old and still live a viable life with the education that you got. And because if disandering, you can't.

his wins or if down the line fucking Tom Cotton wins or JD Vance wins, they're not going to forgive your loans. You know what I mean? So what I'm telling you is they're not going to forgive them. So I know I know you guys are mad that the old Miser van had to say maybe we should look at the other side of it too,

but I don't think, listen, no one's expecting for each president to forgive your loans. People are just like, how are we going to fix this education system in regards to how much it cost to go to get it. Right. Well, they need to fix it. They need to fix that in many levels, though. And once again, we need to also get rid of the fallacy that in order to be a successful

American, you have to go to college. I think that that's, that has, that is definitely, I would say, changed since we were coming up. All right. Right. I wish I would have came out here. Everybody wants to be an influencer. You know what I mean?

These kids will be influencers. You know, you can start, you start, you know, start doing your thing. Now, look, I will say this. To skip social classes, especially for black people, college has been, college is, you know, amazing. You know what I mean? It's still the best way. But it's going to be hard to skip those social classes if you come out on $200,000. You know, I got a friend to me that's very close.

went to Moore House then went to Stanford came out was getting that bread right getting that guap I'm killing this nigga now oh my God he's underwater with these loans

you're such a bad friend he just come on go to the next topic the next topic the next topic the next topic is the the big deal of the day

unfortunately It is not in any way a big deal of the day. That is something fun to talk about, but we have to talk about sometimes why it sucks being black in America, and you can't even drink water to quench your thirst. The playoffs are here, and you can predict the action all the way to the finals with Fandul Predicts. Predict the spread, total points, and even the game winner.

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There is a water crisis in Jackson right now. The water system in Jackson, Mississippi, the state's capital and largest city, failed earlier this week. Most of the city's 160,000 residents were without safe drinking water, prompting the Republican governor of the state, gentleman by the name of Tate Reeves, to declare a state of emergency.

He warned that there wasn't enough running water to fight fires, to reliably flush toilets, and to meet other critical needs. It's not clear when the city will have safe drinking water again. There have been problems in Jackson with the infrastructure going on a year. I remember watching the 60, minutes plus report near about a year ago, where a gentleman was talking about the fact that

the water system already was screwed up. What has happened now is there was intense rain, which flooded the Pearl River. Shout out to Pearl River Junior College, which it flipped the Pearl River. And it has strained the largest water treatment plant, which is called OB Curtis, which is having a lot of problems already. So Jackson, Mississippi is 80% black. It has been ignored. The infrastructure has been terrible, not just the water situation for a long time now.

And now we have yet another home for black people where little black kids are dipping their toothbrushes and bottled water to brush their teeth before they go to school in the morning. It's almost unreal. It's unreal. not just that this is happening in our country, but that this has been going on in Jackson, Mississippi, for years, and nothing has been done. And these people, these residents of Jackson, Mississippi, depends on their elected officials to take care of their basic needs, right?

That's why you elect someone to fight on your behalf, on behalf of those constituents. But these elected officials don't even live in the city. of Jackson. They live outside of it. And if you go back and you look, 2016, state health officials were alerted about elevated levels of lead in the drinking water. Nothing was done. In 2020, the EPA issued an emergency order that posed Jackson's water system as an intimate and substantial endangerment to his residence. Winter of 2021, they had storms that were across the country, with ice and it messed up with their water system.

Pipes were bursting. Nothing was done. Citizens or residents were without water for weeks, thousands of residents, tens of thousands of them. And for years, the city has had disruptions with water. They've had a recurring, a recurring boil water advisory because the water has been contaminated. I already said lead, but also with E. coli. It is well documented in this city for years that they have had issues with their water system, but nothing has been done.

And what makes it even worse is that in 2020, there were two bills that were put up to help with the water system and the Republican legislature, majority Republican legislature, I should say, voted to have it not happen. they weren't even trying to help these people when it's well documented that there were issues in the city. And you can't help but recognize as you already stated the statistics of what the demographics are of the city of Jackson, 80% black. Most of the people live out, white people live outside of it. It's even referenced in the articles when you read about it, that it's an issue with white flight. And the only thing that this boils down to is they don't care about the people that are living in this city because they don't look like them. They don't have the same socioeconomic status that they do. It's out of sight, out of mind, and they're right there. And I'm telling you

right now, we talked about this before, not just the state legislature, but with Congress, the U.S. Congress, there are four seats right now that are up in the midterms for re-election. Republicans. You've got to vote them out. They don't give them. And I didn't even say the fact that Jackson is majority Democrats, but it's a Republican legislature that runs a state and also those who are fighting on their behalf of fighting. I'm using air quotes on their behalf in Congress. You got to vote them out. Yeah, you definitely have to vote them out. So, I mean, the tale of what happened in Jackson is, you know, all too familiar. White flight happens, which erodes the city's tax base. And then you don't have money for public works, right? I have money for public works. And then situation

like this end up happening. It reminds me of something that was going on when I was in college. I was driving through a city called Faraday, Louisiana. What's it? Faraday. Fairiday. Okay.

Faraday, Louisiana. Fairday, Louisiana. So I was driving through. And I remember I saw something on the, I passed by a store and the store said, closed no water. Right? Closed no water.

And I looked at another store. and it says closed no water. Fair days and all, like an all black town, basically a small black town. Central Louisiana, if I can remember correctly, it's a close no water,

close no water, close no water, close no water, close no water. Like about to school, and a friend of mine, Ron, Ron used to work at Griffs near Louisiana Tech's campus. Griff's was like this greasy spoon

that you would go to and get like a pork chop sandwich. You know what I mean? You love that, right? I just don't watch people just eat a fucking. slab of pork. Hunk of meat. I mean, pork, yes.

You know I love it. You know I love it. I was like, goddamn, nigga, on the sandwich. Fuck, bro. I feel like that ill. Anyway, I asked Ron what's going on. And I was like, oh, yeah, we ain't got no water. Something happened with the pipes. I'm like, what, what do you mean? He's like, well, they find a dead dude in our water supply. What?

Yeah, he goes, they found a dead dude in our water supply, which then made them have to go fix the water or whatever, fix whatever the thing was. And then when they were trying to fix it, they broke something and now the town doesn't have any water. And I was like, well, what y'all do? This is the first time I heard of a town that's like, what do y'all do? He's like, oh, we got to drive into nearby towns and like get bottles of water and have the water come in.

And that's what we have to do it. And the reason why that struck me is because I thought about that whenever I thought about Flint, I thought about that whenever I thought about Jackson, it's because like, the real place that racism rears this ugly head to me is not in the, these, it's not in videos of Cairns, right? It's not in, uh, it's not in even police brutality videos, right? Because those are flashpoint moments when implicit biases get the better of people and then they do the things that their mind tells them to do.

That's racism, of course. But what I think is how much. harder is it in your day-to-day life, your day-to-day life to be black? Like how much more difficult it is, is it? You know, you might not run into a cop every single day, although that is a somewhat day-to-day occurrence if you live in certain neighborhoods. So I know the point, you know, I know that you can't detract or subtract what it means to be black in America from interactions with the police.

but I'm saying you wake up in the morning to go to school and you're brushing your teeth or you want to boil some eggs. Because you are black, you can't do that. Because nobody cares, right? Because even the politicians that you're talking about in that situation, they don't, there's nothing in it for them to make sure that little black kids have clean water. They don't get anything for that.

There's no gold star. There's no next term. There's none of it. What they really wish would happen would be that. all the Negroes would move out of Jackson so they can move back in and have it like it used to be. Like this is, in my opinion, environmental terrorism from neglect.

And it plagues black children everywhere. And it plagues black people everywhere. And so what we're going to have to do, Rachel's. What we always have to do is we're going to have to fix this. And we're going to attempt to give you guys some resources to help out in Jackson if you want to. But I tell you one thing. I don't know how you feel about this.

I am going to make sure that there are specific names of people to blame for this. I don't have the research now to do it, right? But I want every single podcast and all my socials and everywhere that I can. I want the names of the people's people whose job it is to make sure that Jackson has clean drinking water. And I want to continuously make sure that we make them famous. as famous as Kavanaugh was in the aftermath of the Dobbs decision or Amy Coney-Barrant was or Clarence Thomas was. We need to know who's responsible for the people of Jackson, Mississippi, black and white, not having clean drinking water. And we need to make sure that as this country continuously morphs into a developing nation, we need to know why that's happening.

Because too many times these things are just crises that we do water drives for, then we move on to the next one. This dysfunction is happening every day. I mean, if it's been going on for a long time, start with the governor in Mississippi. Tate Reeves. Start with Tate Reeves. Why are you just now declaring this a crisis, a state of emergency? You should have been doing this. This has been a problem.

And I'm very curious to as this trillion-dollar infrastructure bill, is this in any way, going to be trickled down into Mississippi to help out or wherever this has happened. You just named another city. I mean, obviously this is what's making news, but we know that Jackson, Mississippi doesn't stand alone. There are other cities, towns out there that are suffering from this as well. So how quickly is that money going to trickle down to help these types, these communities? Or does it have to be, you know, something that we're already talking about in the media,

where it's too late and people are already suffering? Like I Yeah No I mean you're you're you're absolutely right So I was able to To find a website called the For the Community Foundation of Mississippi Okay

The community foundation of Mississippi And of all the places that I've been able to go And um And look at resources as to what you can do to help This place This website has the Most thorough resources for people to be able to help It's for Mississippi.org.

That's F-O-R-M-I-S-S-I-S-I-P-P-I-P-P-I-S-I-P-P-I. The Community Foundation for Mississippi, you should go there. There are several different funds, organizations, and movements underneath that one, on that one website. There are a million different ways you can help on that one website.

And I would really, it's based in Jackson, Mississippi. I would really, really recommend everybody who wants to help. Think about what a $10 bottle of water would do right now. Think about what you could do by sending a couple of gallons of water down there. I'm calling on the Thought Warriors right now to get off of Reddit. All right. Get off of Reddit. We're going to post it and Reddit.

Stop complaining. I won't be posting it already. Well, stop complaining for a sentence. second and get to a space and actually help some people drink some water. And, you know, I know that, that obviously I'm kidding with you guys, but I know people in our listenership have good hearts. And, you know, this might be the difference between a kid having, just a kid having a sip of water.

It's hot right now, too, man. Oh, my gosh. It's a sweltering southern heat. And they don't have no water to drink. Listen, when y'all do it, when y'all donate or whatever it is that you do, send it to us. Let's follow, do something back for every single person that does it. I know you would love to have Van follow you all back. I'm not following you.

I know. I know. I'm not following. Yeah. Do we have a mayor of Jackson on? He's black, you know. Yeah, we're going to be reaching out to a, we're going to be on top of this. This is an issue that we're going to be on top of.

And by the way, there's not. We're not near a solution here. They don't know when the water is going to be back on in Jackson, Mississippi. They don't know when the water's going to be back on with no boil warning. Like, we don't, it's not. And they're saying, they're saying to fix it. It's so deeply rooted because I guess they hired a company years ago to fix it. And the company was not well equipped and mess things up with that infrastructure in their

water system. The city actually sued this company. It's going to take billions of dollars they're estimating to get it right. Yeah. Well, give them the money. Okay. And I hate to be this fucking guy. I don't give a fuck how many billions of dollars that it takes, right?

You can send billions of dollars of aid packages across seas to other people who need it. You can spare a couple of billion dollars for the people in Jackson, Mississippi. Not equating to two, two completely different things. What I'm saying is, it's not for a lack of money. Fix whatever the fuck you got to fix and do it quickly. and if the feds need to get involved in this situation, then they need to get involved in this situation. If this is something that Mississippi for whatever reason,

obviously the governor you said is the tip of the spear there. Take Reeves. Take Reeves. Take Reeves. Is this something they don't feel like they can do? That's fine. Then this is the point where those votes that you cast in November for those people where they need to take charge, getting there and figure out what the fuck we got to do to make sure these people can drink some water.

God damn it. Our cousins from. right there in Mississippi. Our cousins. All right. Serena Williams. She had an upset win in the U.S. Open. Legendary career, Serena Williams.

She won a thrilling second round match. She beat Annette. Take a time. Take a time. Contaviet. I don't know who this person is. I'm sorry to this woman. She was.

She's the second-seated. player at the tournament. Serena beat the 7-6. She dropped the second second sentence. She won the last at dominating fashion and Flushing Meadows. How inspired are you right now by Serena Williams? Always inspired by Serena Williams. I actually

looked up tickets to the U.S. Open. It snuck up on me. I didn't realize. I mean, I watched the first round. I was like, oh, my gosh. I didn't realize it was happening right now. I was in Philly. And I was like, oh, I could go. Tickets. tickets were like $5,000 to $6,000 for the good seats. I'm not banned.

I can't afford that. Everybody's not able. I can't afford that. I can't afford that. I can't afford that. Don't ever talk. That's where my money is. Don't talk the games with me, nigger.

Rachel, hey, y'all, y'all, Rachel be talking this bullshit. Rachel got a waterfall in her backyard, true or false, Rachel, true or false? You're exaggerating. Rachel, true or false? See, that's what I'm saying. Your politic was right now. And how don't even know that? Because I turned it on.

Boom! You got a waterfall. Don't talk to me about some U.S. open tickets. Like, I'll look over here, Brian. I'm like, that's where my... Me and Brian are in the pool shirtless. Bad mistake for me.

I look over and... Yo, brother, is that a waterfall? He's on, laying on his back. He's like, yeah. That's not true. Stop. Anyways, I'm watching what she's doing is incredible. I saw a Bill Simmons tweet, and I don't want to misquote it, but it was so true

about how, you know, when someone's at the end of their, I'm paraphrasing here, the end of their career, just how they, not muster up this strength, but just how they just show what an incredible athlete they are as they're nearing the end of their career. It's like, like, you know, people like say old man's strength. It's like they just show how incredible they are. And that's what we're seeing right now with Serena and I'm hoping she goes all the way. It really is fun to watch. Let's find, let's find Bill's exact tweet so that people don't find a reason to get mad. Because if you get on Bill asked, I just what Bill said. I've been following sports my whole life and one thing never changes. The aging near the end superstar and probably thriving one more time

is still the greatest thing to watch. He is right. It was amazing when Ali would do it back in the day. It was amazing when Tom Brady would do it. When Tom Brady's been doing it, he's 45, even though I don't think Con Brady counts. I saw Tom Brady at a fuck. I saw Tom Brady at a goddamn press conference looking like one of the Stepford wives. He looked like an animatronic figure from It's a Small World in Disneyland. I'm like, Tom is turning, Tom had a face.

Brady had a fucking face. He turned into a bad bitch. He disappeared. for days. I mean, weeks. He was two weeks. He was away from the team. So, I mean, come on now. Yeah. So, um, but he's playing at a very high level. And just watching Serena, I can't watch her.

I can't watch the matches. Why? Because I care too much. That doesn't make sense to me. No, you don't understand. I don't. You don't understand. Help me. I care too much to watch it. I don't see what you guys. You don't want to see.

I don't want her to lose. Yeah. So I can't just watch it. I remember I have, I've had a panic attack over the, the, the Laker Celtics series back in 2008, 2009 or whatever it was.

I had a pack. Couldn't watch. Ask Kalika. Well, like, it was, it was a situation to where, like,

sometimes I get nervous and like, I'll turn from the game at third down. If it's a big third down, I can't watch it. What if we don't get it? What if Serena would have lost? And I'm watching it. Why does that make my life better to watch her lose?

I would rather not watch. And then after she won, just watch the highlights for a week. Because now I know what happens. Well, to watch it all play out, the ups and downs, you know what I mean? Because that game went to, I mean, that match went to three, three rounds. The first one was two. So to see, oh, she lost the second one. Will she come back in this third round?

You could call it that? No, nigger. It's called a set. You're making my fucking brain bleed. Like, it was like, they played three cents. That's a good thing of the word. I was like, well, shit, I'm going to go around. Watch her come back in the third set and dominate it in that way.

It's nice to see it as a whole. And this is why I have no business paying $5,000 for a seat. If I can't get the terminology. Did you see the Glass Knight was there? Okay. She was at the first match. she was there in the first round in the second round

I don't know if she was there but they showed it right first so she was there though in the first one do you know the people that were calling the game are you defending them? No no no

she really was at the in the first the first round I'm sure she was that wasn't glass night in that picture but what they showed no it wasn't They flashed to Dionne Warwick And then they say Gladys Knight is here

Listen Y'all don't understand how fucking annoying That is Like white Like white people Y'all don't get tired of being annoying Like just say it or right I remember this used to happen

So often at TMZ Like so often It's like so often They put up And it would be It would be always in a worst situation When people died or some shit like that They put up the wrong person

or something like that. Like, I don't know. You know, you get to a situation. I don't know, like somebody passed away. The guy from Earth, went and fire died. They put up a picture of Barry White or some dumb shit. And I'm like, what the fuck, man? Just take the extra.

If you don't know who it is, shut the fuck up. Has ESPN addressed this? Have they talked about the fact? That's insulting to us. You're like, I'll do some shit like this. See? She has three. She played three rounds.

I feel like I would be fucking loud and wrong I wouldn't mess up Gladys and Dion obviously but I might be like mess up some confused some white folks This is why

We need our own media companies Because we need To be able to fuck up white people's names Because I I mean I could happen You just did it You just did it with the second seed You quit

We're trying to pronounce her name And you said, she ain't nobody. Sorry to this woman. She ain't nobody. Well, she hasn't earned the right for me to care about her name yet. A couple more years of dominance, maybe. Who are two white people that you used to confuse? Donnie, you can jump in here too.

Give me two white people that you've confused before. There definitely is, it's a white male. Was it Ryan Reynolds and, um, well, Non-famous people. There were two people I went to law school with that I never could remember their names. I'm not going to say them. But I always confused those two people. For the life of me, it took me a couple of months to realize they weren't the same person.

I don't know. I'm sure it happens. Donnie, give me two white people that you used to confuse for each other. I confuse Dennis Quaid with someone that I'm forgetting the other person. I'm confused him. Kevin Costner. It is Kevin Costner. There we go.

Thank you. Yep. Let me tell you guys something right now. Speaking of Kevin. I see it. I see it, Donnie. Which is why I said that. Yeah.

Speaking of Kevin Costner. First of all, shout out Dennis Quay. Shout out Kevin Costner. Shout out the Dutton Ranch. Fucking yellow stuff. I don't want. Like, hold on for a second. I don't show you something I bought it.

No, don't spoil it. He's a spoiler. Don't do you watch it. Don't do it. Don't do it. I don't plan on watching it. But I do plan on watching Yellowstone. And I really need him to start.

doing to this. Look what I bought. Boom. I bought a Dundranche Yostone T-shirt. Tags still on it and everything. I want to be a part of the Dundan Ranch. I'm sick of this Negro life. How many times

about going to have to call you, J.C.? on his podcast. The Dunds are doing that thing, man. Fuck. I was watching more Yellowstone. I was watching more Yellowstone this morning. Are you caught up? Yeah, but I'll re-watch it.

Yellowstone might be the sexiest white show that's ever. It's very sexy show. Are you watching 1883? No, no. Let me tell you something. I have a problem watching white people in the olden times. Because whenever they, because whenever they do a story about white people in the olden times, they always try.

to make like a good white person and you just can't convince me that there were any good white people in 1883. Nobody wanted to be cool with nobody. It was one guy John Brown, they got him the fuck out of here. Nobody wanted to be cool. Nobody wanted to like Kalika said this one time.

So look. Hey, Kalika said the funny state. Remember when Jay-Z and Beyonce wore like the diamond or whatever that? Remember that joint? So like I asked there. I was like, You think that they knew that the diamond was racist?

Whatever. And she goes, it doesn't matter if they knew. She's like, they found a diamond in like 1870 or something and shit like that. They should have known they didn't know goddamn 1870 that white people was up to no damn good. And it wasn't a good situation with the fucking diamond. It was nothing good that was going on. Yeah. So 1883 might take because they're going to try to make them good white people.

I just can't believe it. Yeah, I can't believe in. And, you know, even when I watch Django, I'm like, he was cool as fuck. But I don't know if that nigg will really exist. I guess there were some. Shout out to the white people. I'm sorry to those men. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters.

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business. So visit Spectrum.com slash business to learn more. Restrictions apply. Services not available in all areas. Rachel, do you think that rap lyrics should be used to convict people in court? It depends.

I think that if you're confessing, if I'm investigating you on a specific charge or I believe that there's some sort of suspicion. I have probably not even probable cause. I think a higher degree than that. But I think that if you are speaking to something that you have been charged for, it is fair game. If you've been indicted, maybe they use it in the indictment. I think that

there are circumstances where it works. I know people are going to be upset with me. I get the whole freedom of speech, expression. I get all of that. But if you are going to to confess to something in a form of art, whether it's a lyric, whether it's a painting, whether it's a book, something like that. I think that it's fair game. Well, the Fulton County DA agrees with you. It says she says that people can continue to be angry about it. She's going to continue to use a lyric. Her name is Fannie Willis. She addressed the ongoing criticism facing the use of art and criminal cases. Okay. This is the audio from Fannie Willis.

Route lyrics in prosecutions. Do you have thoughts about that? I think that I would welcome an opportunity to sit down with Hank Aaron and discuss that proposed legislation. I don't think that it will be successful. I think if you decide to admit your crimes over a beat, I'm going to use it. They could have a They could have corrected her. I'm not targeting anyone, but however you do not get to commit crimes in my county

and then decide to brag on it, which you do that for a form of intimidation and to further the gang and not be held responsible. One of the lyrics used in this indictment, just one of the lyrics used in this indictment, just one of the lyrics is me and my crew striking out, striking in all black, send me the drop, we'll kick in the house. If we steal a car, we're going to take off the tag. Well, they're kicking indoors, committing home invasions, and now I'm using those lyrics that they're admitting to doing that. I'm going to continue to do that. People can continue to be angry about it. I have some legal advice. Don't confess to crimes on rap lyrics if you do not want them used, or at least get out of my county. So shout out to Hank Aaron.

who's trying to catch, who right now is trying to catch a fly ball in heaven up there playing a good old game. You know, Babe Ruth is a bad. And he's like, what the hell that I do to this woman? She's talking about Representative Hank Johnson, whose rap act is made headlines earlier this month, he's trying to spearhead the movement to not let rap music be admissible in court. I want to read off a lyric to you guys right now from one of my favorite songs, Who I Smoke. Okay.

This is the lyric. I told the rocket when I travel, I'm pistol packing the heat. Hold on. Do it again, Donnie. I told the rocket when I travel, I'm pistol packing the heat. I was lurking on this page and I caught him lacking in Houston. We let off shots. He got shot and went live.

I was tweaking like, fuck man, that bitch ain't die. Okay. Give it to you one more time. I told the rocket when I travel, I'm pistol packing in Houston. I was lurking on his page and I caught him lacking in Houston. We let off shots. He got shot and went live. I was tweaking like,

fuck man, that bitch ain't died. All right. Lock him up. Now, I want you guys, I want, because everybody's,

it's a very controversial subject. I want people to know what he's talking about in that situation. There's a rapper named Julio Fulio, who went to Houston and went on his live, okay? They saw that he was, whoever they say, were in this case, saw that he was in Houston and saw his location, pulled up on him, shot him.

Everybody in the whole world learned that he had survived this attempt on his life when he went live. So in this rhyme, he's saying we saw him on his live. We pulled up. We shot him. And then boom, I was like, fuck man, that bitch ain't die. You guys, let's. let's draw some

let's have some real talk right now let's have some real talk as a family because I realize that I'm gonna say this and then people are gonna be pissed up you just can't do it like that man you can't look look

back in the day rappers was killing each other back and forth I'd shot a bunch of niggas blah blah blah I'll shoot you in your face ha ha ha everybody's rapping about killing everyone selling the most dope

So all of that. All of that was true. Specifically confessing to individual crimes. Yeah. And telling names of individuals that you have killed is going to make people think that you actually killed them. What are we talking about? Like, I get it.

I'm the old nigger nerd in the room. I understand it. You just can't do it like that, man. You can't go on there and give details to how you kill someone and then expect the authorities aren't going to say, oh, well, maybe they did do it. What the fuck? Like, I don't even take my word for it. Look at the lyrics of this song. By the way, I could do this for 150 more songs.

King Vaughn in the song says, Cotter put a pretty out bitch in the morgue. He's talking about Jakara Barnes, aka A.k.i, a young woman in his. Chicago that was 16 or 17 years old, a killer in her own right, allegedly, that they think that he killed. So what are I supposed, what are people

supposed to do? It's my thing. You know what's interesting? If you, if that lyric, if you wrote that song out in a letter and you mailed it to someone, nobody would have a problem if that was used as evidence. Right. But because it's in the form of

it's the same thing. It's in the form of a song now that there's some sort of debate over it. But if that was written out, we would be like, oh, that was a he used it, you would be using evidence and nobody would have an issue with it. What? Tell me the difference. Tell me the difference.

Self-snition. All right, now, the current indictment in Fulton County is focused on the alleged actions of a group claim to be known as drug rich. Prosecutors claim started in 2016 and have made victims out of a lot of prominent people.

Mariah Carey, Calvin Ridley, and more people that they've targeted the drug, rich gang. I don't know very much about them. So, you know, don't come for me, but stop, just stop. How about this? How about we change it up? How about do your crimes and then try to get away? Try to get away. Okay.

Just, well, don't do crime. No, you can do the crime. But also, you can speak in general and not as specific. Right? I mean, look Sometimes crime is a part of poverty Due to crime, you know I'm not talking about kill somebody, but if you got a rob You got to rob, you know

Okay, robin, you go get you You get robbed. Go ahead. You be You be understanding of the person that robs you, okay Go ahead. You wouldn't be understanding of the person that will rob you. Let's say somebody came up to rob you I'm like, yo man, take this bro, I feel you as hard out here. Yeah. Is it going to go that smoothly? Are they put in the gut?

Like, is it armed robbery? Have you ever been robbed before? Have you ever been a victim of crime? I've been, I've never been robbed before. Yeah, they got me one time. Like, daytime, nighttime,

was it like you walking on the street? Were you standing in life? So, so nighttime in the bottom, Baton Rouge, and they, they hit me up and they were like, it was a cautionary tale

because there was, Now, you know damn well you don't need to be down here. Man, what you got? They taught you a lesson? They taught me a lesson. It's like, you know damn well. You don't need to be. Man, come here, man.

What you got? Hey, man, take you out here. It'll take you a little $10. You know, now, this is what it costs for you. This is the admission price. Get the fuck from around here. You know, he ain't supposed to be out here. I just flashed the gun.

And then I was like, hey, go there go to $10. And $10 was all I had. All I had. You know what I mean? Shout up to him. Stop doing. crime. No Stacey Dash. Let's talk about Jay-Z now.

Jay-Z was talking about his verse. God did. It's four-minute verse. Staley-Hale-Halev had four minutes. Hove did his thing on that. And he jumped on Twitter spaces, which I'm sure he had to have somebody show him how to work it. Probably like had to have Blue Ivy show him how to work it. Blue Ivy, how you do Twitter spaces?

Maybe Solange did. Smacked him upside his head and showed him how to get on Twitter spaces. So he was on there with the homie Rob Markman shout out Rob Markman who is a great journalist

and also a pretty good rapper Rob Markham's good for himself DJ Calitt was on there Lenny S was on there shout Lenny S and Jay Z talked about the perception of him as a capitalist and overall

the feelings that he has when the term capitalist is brought up to describe some of the cash kings of hip hop this is what Hope had to say Donnie, run the whole thing. Yeah, we're not going to stop.

You know, the hip hop is young. We're still growing. And we're not falling for that technology, whatever, you know, this public puts out there now and that, you know, before it was the American dream. Pull yourself out of bootstraps and you can make yourself, you can make it in America. All these lies that America told us our whole life.

And then when we start getting it, they try to lock us out of it. They start inventing words like, you know, capitalists and, you know, things like that. I mean, you know, we've been called nigger and monkeys and shit. I don't care. Those words y'all come up with, y'all got to come up with stronger words when I say, y'all, I'm not talking

about you. The words they come up with, they got to come up with stronger words. We're not going to stop. We're not going to be tricked out of our position. Y'all locked us out. Y'all created a system that, you know, doesn't include us. We said, fine. We went our alternate route. We created this music.

We did our thing. You know, we hustled. We fucking killed ourselves to get to the space and you know now it's like you know you know eat the rich and man we're not stopping so that evolution is you know from us you know we came from selling seven records and selling records out our trunk and you know no radio play and I think reasonable doubted 36,000 the first week or something like that I may be I may be adding a little to it you know so you know, we come from the, I come from Marcy Projects. In my first house, 615 Lexington Avenue, my grandmother's house, seven families.

That's enough. Reginal? Well, when I listen to Jay-Z in this clip, in this moment, on this Twitter space, it seems like there's a disconnect, which I already referenced earlier when I you know, when you, when there's a disconnect between you because you don't have loans versus us that do. You don't get it. And it's not that necessarily Jay-Z doesn't get it, which is why I think he constantly references where he's come from, where he used to be. But it's almost as if he's so far removed from that. It's like you don't get it necessarily anymore. And I do understand the

aspect of him talking and that the fact that he is a billionaire, he's a billionaire, the fact that he's He's a billionaire. Well, that's what he says in the lyric, I guess. The fact that he is a billionaire is, you know, revolutionary in that way because he coming from work. In no way is him being a billionaire revolutionary. Wait, can I, can I? I'm sorry.

Coming from where he's come from, he was never supposed to be that. And what he had to do and how he's turned his artistry into entrepreneurship and then to making a path for other people to have similar success, that is a thing, like, revolutionary in that sense. And so his wealth, his achievement, his accomplishment, that is what I'm talking about. So, I mean, you by now agree with me using the word in that way, but I do believe that in that regard, just that it is something. And so I think that he's, when he talks about himself, he's holding on to that, like,

where he was come from to where he is now. But the fact that he starts talking about capitalism and being called a capitalist, Jay-C, you are that. And I think he's holding on to what he's come from. And he doesn't think that he can be a capitalist, but you are. And there's certain things that you have done since you've had money that constantly puts you in that capitalist role. And I don't even know if when he's talking about this, because he says they,

it almost feels like when he's saying they, he's talking about, white people, but it's like black people who are calling you this. It's black people who are the ones who are calling you out on certain things that you rap about or certain things that you claim to be, but then you're living this kind of life. That goes towards the NFL, his partnership. That goes to his relationship with Robert Kraft and buying him a car with Meek Mill. That goes towards you already referenced the Diamond and the Tiffany ad. There's certain things that he does that put him in that capitalist lane. And for him to either, for him to have a disconnect to think that he's not that,

and then to say that that's up there with using the N-word, like, I understand why people are up in arms about this two minutes of him talking as his explanation because it just seems like you just aren't getting it. So a couple of things. First of all, I'm sorry for interjecting when you were talking. apologize. But I think the actual problem is actually what you said.

I think the problem is Jay-Z thinks that becoming a billionaire was revolutionary. I think we need to take that apart. Okay. Okay. Okay. So there's nothing revolutionary about becoming a billionaire.

The odds are low that you will become that. But Jay-Z becoming a billionaire is not revolutionary. By the time you become a billionaire, your proximity to whiteness is such that it's almost impossible for you to be a revolutionary. That's just a reality. All right? By the time you become a billionaire,

by time you've done enough of that, your proximity to the structures that make America are such that it's very, very, very, very hard for you to call yourself a revolutionary. You might be what Hove is, which is an, asset to the culture. People don't know how much Rock Nation, how much Jay-Z does for people

who are revolutionaries, right? For people who need their situations funded. Like, you could be the bank for them, but you're certainly not the revolutionary. You can't be a revolutionary hanging out and doing business with Robert Kraft. You just can't. Okay? Robert, like Robert

Kraft supported Donald Trump. He is an unabashed Trump supporter. I'm not saying I don't know Robert Kraft personally, but once you get to that level, you start not wanting to pay taxes. You are a capitalist. And being a capitalist in America is the furthest thing from being a revolutionary. He said that capitalism is the new N-word, right?

A capitalist is a new N-word. What J-Z doesn't understand is that it was capitalism that created the N-word. The N-word exists because of American capitalism. and if unchecked American capitalism will always create a new nigger a new group of niggers because American capitalism doesn't work

unless there are niggers. It has to have its own niggers. Now if we're to a point to where we say, hey, what we want to do is we want to be the power base and have the money to dictate who are the niggers in society. That's one thing. Maybe that's the only way to win, right? Maybe that's the only way to win. But the reality of the situation is, that's how it goes. There's certainly nothing that's going to

come from making a whole bunch of money in America that's going to influence equitable treatment of people. There's not going to be anything that comes from making a whole bunch of America that's going to influence the division of power and equality in America. That's not going to happen and we know that right so i think that j z is mistaken and i think that his immense and overwhelming talent has put him in a position to where he is equipped to have a certain lifestyle that um and have certain friends to let him see this from a different lens than all of us do correct and and and he most certainly probably has the same heart that he did before because i'll be honest with you i'll just keep in real with you

like selling some dope on the side of a corner to like keep your bills on is one thing. Having a whole project that kingpin shit, that's a different thing. Hove has never not been a capitalist. And the reality is when you are a capitalist, somebody suffers. And even in that situation, somebody suffered. I'm not judging him personally or judging him or making him. or making a moral judgment, far be it from me, the XTMZ employee to make a moral judgment of anyone.

But what I am saying is that in this situation right here, like there is no us. Like there's this new, this us that we speak of. There's no us. There's you. And what we're hoping is that you're such a good guy that when you're where you are, that you do right by us,

but you don't have to. You never have to look. at us again. You never have to shake hands with us. You never have to come where we are. You never have to do it. You can hang out with Robert Kraft and and and and and and and Rubin and a rest of those guys and the NFL owners, which you want to be one for the rest of your life. And niggas would still look up to you because of what you've been able to do. But there's no us. Yeah. The us on the us right now is only emotional. Now look, people can talk about. what you can do for your community when you get in those situations.

And I hear this a lot. Well, shit, when I get there, what I can do is reach back to the community. That's cool. But as long as there is an economic system and a political system that allows somebody to be so astonishingly wealthy where there are other people who have nothing, there's not enough philanthropy giving back and job creation you can do to offset that. it's a systemic problem and I think that these people that are in these positions and I love them all I love them all

I love all of these guys they mean so much to me but they better damn well know that and so like what he well like slavery was invented so somebody back in that day could be a Jay Z could be a fat cat making a bunch

of fucking money where the niggers of the world had nothing we just talked about Jackson Mississippi you on a yacht they ain't got no water to drink you're on a yacht you're on like you're on a yacht by the way I'm on it fuck him I'm on a yacht forget about him I'm on a yacht I'm in Greece I'm doing these things

when people in Jackson Mississippi don't have any water to drink I think there's a difference though with that you're doing something you're on vacation you're you know like allowed to do nice things for yourself I think what you're saying though is differences when there's that much wealth, when you're on that status, when your song is bragging about you being a billionaire and how Holt's house has created multiple billionaires, there's a difference.

It's like too great of a difference. I do want to say this about revolutionary. I think there's a difference between calling Jay-Z himself a revolutionary, which I did not, and saying the fact that he made money and his wealth is something that is revolutionary. I mean the difference? I understand what you're saying. I just want to be clear that I am not saying he. I do not think he is some type of revolutionary.

I think there's a difference when you look at a noun versus adjective, but that's just, you don't have to agree with me. I just want to be sure that I'm not. I tend to think revolutionaries dismantle systems. And as a noun. Right. Okay.

Well, I don't want to get stuff on the semantics. His money is that the wealth that he has created, I think is revolutionary. There's a difference. I agree with you. What you were saying, go ahead. No, we have to, there's breaking news.

Donnie, did you see this? What happened? No, what is it? That means it's not been. I'm being, no, no, I'm being 1,000% true. I don't know any other way to say this. I'm nervous. Tiffany Haddish and Ari Spears have been accused of child sexual abuse.

A Jane Doe and her brother alleged in a lawsuit that both individuals recruited them into performing inappropriate sexually suggestive acts and sketches when they were minors. This comes from The Daily Beast. During their childhoods, Jane Doe and her brother said they called Tiffany Haddish Auntie Tiff. I'm going to read you the whole Daily Beast article. Just knowing that this just broke. Full disclosure, I know Tiffany Haddish. Have known Tiffany Haddish for some years.

Haven't had the chance to talk to Tiffany Hadish about this. Doubt that she would talk with me about it anyway. but this is what's coming out right now. So apparently, Tiffany Haddish, the comedian had met their mother through the comedy circuit and used to refer to the siblings as niece and nephew. But a lawsuit filed pro se,

what does pro se mean? What does it mean to be a lawsuit be filed pro se? For oneself. For oneself. For oneself. On behalf of both herself and her brother, who is a minor, the siblings allege that Hadish

and her fellow comic Ari Spears recruited each of them to perform inappropriate acts on camera when they were children. The Jane Doe is now 22 years old. Her younger brother John is now 14. They have adopted pseudonyms due to their respective ages at the time of this. It says sexually suggestive acts while on camera and underage. Jane was 14 when this video took place. John was 7.

Their mother alleges that she and Hadish met through comedy and bonded over a She had strife. She talked to Daily Beast and said that her and Tiffany bonded over a divorce. Messy, messy, messy divorces. We got super, super close. And apparently this happened. And the summer of 2013, she attended a comedy camp with Tiffany Haddish was a guest speaker. She told the child she'd find, found the perfect role for her in her very own commercial.

And neither the mother or the child knew what it would entail. and apparently it was something weird. So here it is. It says the, I'm getting to it right now. Sorry, guys. It says they watch the recording booth. The legislature leads them to innocuous and first.

It's a little strange. A group of co-ads were arguing over a subway sandwich, but then the co-eds began eating the sandwich in a suggestive manner for opposite ends, moaning and making sexual noises as they both ate the sandwich in a manner that, simulate the act of Felacio

the complaint claims that Spears told Jane to mimic what she had seen on the screen including the noises precisely like what she had

heard throughout the video. The 14-year-old says she felt nervous and disgusted she felt silent until Haddish returned to the room.

Haddish verbally explained what was expected of the plaintiff then showed the plaintiff Jane Do

how to give Felacio including movements, noises, moaning and groaning the lawsuit states. At this point, Jane told the Daily Beast, I knew 100% what they wanted out of me. She says Spears allegedly looking on while a physically, emotionally and mentally uncomfortable, Jane received this instruction. Then she says that she tried to mimic what

they wanted her to do, but it came out super uncomfortable. Haddish paid her a hundred bucks and then sent her home. There's going to be more to it. But, oh, so here it is. A year later, Hash approached the children's mother with a similar pitch, recruiting Jane's little brother John for another video. Although the comedian allegedly told the family John would be filming a sizzle reel for Nickelodeon, the suit alleges the seven-year-old wound up starring in the video posted on Funnier Die and other online platforms titled Through a Pedophile's Eyes.

Who's the name of the video? A representative, Funny of Die told the Daily Book. B's funny a die found this video absolutely disgusting and would never produce such content. We were not involved with the conceptualization, development, funding, or production of this video. It was uploaded to the site as user-generated content and was removed in 2018 immediately after becoming aware of his existence. Both siblings allegedly attended to shoot, which the lawsuit claims took place in Spiris' home. James says Haddish's behavior changed what the children arrived at the home, no longer in the company of their mother. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on Tiffany Hatch's people have not have not in any way responded to the allegations here. Okay. Well, her attorney said that this is an attempt for them trying to extort money from her. All right. She says that they said that they basically had to do a pedophile sketch. in some way making fun or making light of pedophilia. What do you make of something like this? Well, I don't know.

It is interesting that the individual bringing in the lawsuit is not represented by an attorney. She's filing the suit by herself. Tell us what that means. Well, just exactly that. I mean, usually when you see somebody that's filing a lawsuit for the most part, or at least in a manner like this, they're represented by some sort of counsel there. But this, they went ahead and filed the lawsuit on their own.

I did see in the article where it says they tried to reach some sort of settlement with Eric Spears. And I guess they didn't. So they went forward and filing the lawsuit, but they're doing it because you can. Anyone can. Anyone can. You don't have to have legal representation. And they don't, as of right now, the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. I don't know. I mean, breaking news is really not much to say about it.

If, in fact, everything happened the way that they said that it happened. I'm just asking. I'm just asking. I don't want to comment on it. Okay. I mean, like, I wouldn't even know. I have no cool. It's so outrageous.

It's so outrageous. It is such a sensitive subject and it obviously deals with the allegations in this or dealing with a minor that it's like, I don't even want to touch it. I'd rather wait to hear of some sort of response from Erie, from Tiffany, from their camp, their people. Yeah, it's just so fresh. I just don't even want to put any kind of the crazy thing is. What the crazy thing is is I just, I just, I just like searched in my phone the name of the sketch. And it just hit me that I shouldn't have done that. You know what I mean?

Like, this is weird. But look. When I did that, though, Dan Harmon, the creator of community, uh, uh, also had to apologize back in the day for a sketch that he had made about pedophilia. I just wonder, the only reason why I said if it's all true,

I just wonder if there's a line here between, if there is a line. And by the way, the guys, I know the bias police is out there. Um, I'd say right now, I've been around,

Tiffany Haddish, I do not think that in any way Tiffany Hashes is a danger to children. I don't know, but I do not think that she is. I wonder if there's a line here between really bad and appropriate comedy and actually like hurting someone. And you never know what that line is.

I guess the line is whatever the kids say that would be. The line is using actual minors. Right. Actually, yeah. You know what I mean? That's where like, you know, should this be these allegations if they turn out to be true. I think that's where it is. It's like, okay, comedy is comedy. And, you know,

that's a whole other thing to get into of what's too much and what goes too far. But if you're using minors, then like, that's already a red, that's an issue. Well, we'll see what happens with that. Tiffany Haddish is she's trending right now. It's like, why is Tiff trending? Wow. That is not the breaking news. I mean, it's not great. It's not. It's not. It's not. a great situation. Okay, it's not great. This episode is brought to you by WeatherTech. Everyone knows winter is the MVP and making a mess. You don't need WeatherTech floor liners in the summer unless you hit the beach or go camping.

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Was LA one? I saw Dallas. Charlotte, Dallas, Detroit, Los Angeles, and Miami. Oh, all three cities. I used to live in. Yep. In Miami. You know the only problem with this is?

55% of black people live in the South. Okay. I guess Miami's the South. Yeah, Miami. I think, yeah, it's the South. People don't consider, people don't consider Texas the South. Y'all not the South. Okay.

Y'all only to, y'all Texas. Y'all only the South where y'all want to be the South. y'all are basically like who could I think give me somebody y'all like the tiger woods of the south now stop y'all Texas is the tiger woods stop it right now

Texas is the tiger woods of the south y'all the south when y'all want to be the south other than that y'all got some kind of weird background and nobody really knows because you're different from everybody else that's Texas y'all are the tiger woods of the south y'all got this whole thing. We used to be our own country. Fucking Sam Houston, the

Alamo, we got our own shit. We got the Texas Rangers. They like the police, but they cowboys. Y'all got y'all own shit. And it's really you could be the South, but you really not. Y'all really cock a Southen more than anything.

Y'all like the Tiger Woods of the South. Yeah, sometimes y'all go, we the South when it's time for the NWACP Awards. You know what I mean? Or it's time to hang out with Michael Joy. But then other times, y'all just Texas. Texas is Texas. Texas Texas is Texas I can't

I can't deny that it's just Texas You're right You're right Nigeria becomes the first country to officially ban the use of white models

and advertising You fucking with it or not I'm not I'm not fucking with it I'm sorry This is not the way to do it Because no

This is not the way If you want If you want to promote You know Nigerians And where they have It's a Nigerian voice and Nigerian representation. I totally understand that.

But to ban it and then the tax people when they use it, this is not, when they don't use people that are from Nigeria, it's just, it's, it's a little too far. There could have been somewhere where we meet in the middle to accomplish the same goal. You have to pay $240 for every form mile you use as not Nigerian. Or voice. The hope is that it will channel more creative projects into the country. It'll boost opportunities for native talent. I get the purpose behind it.

I'm fucking with it. Fuck it. We got our own government in Nigeria and we can make the rules. Fuck it. Like, I don't give a fuck. It's probably wrong in the grand scheme of things. It is wrong in the grand scheme of things. But no, no, no, fuck that I'm not, if I'm not hedging shit, fuck it.

Do it, Nigeria. Good. Come down there and try to fucking take everything. That's all they try to do.

They come down there, try to take everything. It should, it should be done across Africa. Across Africa,

it should be done. You know, I love it. Good for them. Wakanda forever, nigger. Donnie, let's go with mailback.

Mailback time. Time to read your letters and then we'll reply to them. Oh. It's mailback time. Write us with your queries and we'll chime in. All right.

The first question is from Jew Brooks 312 on Insta. So this question was kind of already answered at the top of the podcast, but Van, you specifically asked for me to look out for questions about Tuesday segments. So I'm asking anyway. So they asked Van's Van's student loan forgiveness take was a bit, right? Was a bit?

No, it was not. He wasn't a bit as serious. I was dead ass serious. And I did, I did, I doubled down. Jew Brooks 312. Jew books 312. Jew books 312. I fuck Brooks.

I doubled down. It wasn't a bit at all. You're a bit. A bit annoying. No, shout out to you, Drew Brooks. Shout on to you. All right. Next one.

All right. Next one is from Anonymous T. rex on Instagram. They ask, who is your favorite white artist? A lot. It's a good question. Like musician, actor. Artist. So, yes, all of the above.

Like, music? Okay. I guess an artist in general, it could be anything. It could be an author. It could be a... Let's just do music. Let's do music, favorite white musician of all time? It's a lot of good white music.

I'm not going to lie. I think. You're going to go with Justin Timberlake? No. The Timbersnake? No. Who? Kenny Loggins?

I interviewed him. He's great. Garth Brooks. Roping the wind. Has he problematic in any way? I hesitate. I'm like, okay, I was like,

that's why I hesitated because I was like, oh, I don't know if he's, I don't think. so I love Garth Brooks. I'm a big fan. I've been to concert, his concert. Garth Brooks. I think that's it. I don't think I'm forgetting anybody. Garth Brooks. It's a tight one for me between three people. Well, you can't name three. Okay, I'll pick. I'll pick. Who are the three? Go. Sting?

Okay. Okay. Kurt Cobain. Okay. And Josh home from Queens of the Stone Age. Queens of the Stone Age is my favorite band. Okay. I got to go with, I got to go with Kirk Cobain. Kirkobane, all right.

Change my life. Change my life. Kirkland changed my life. I had a real grunge era. You know what I mean? I was looking down like this. Were you wearing like the clothes as well? Yeah, I would.

Like, did you have like, the fucking thing on my neck in fucking Terry Lathen's house wearing something on you no fuck no I dress like I dress like them in terms of like wearing the shit

you know and it was kind of weird because I was like a chubby grunge kid so like you had like a you had to give like a big flannel for it to be loose you know shit my fucking jeans all on the dirty Louisiana ground and then I did my dad one day

was like you see this this is over It was like, I never told you this story. I never told you the story of my dad finding the lyrics to Pearl Jamms Jeremy in my pocket. What's this? So I had printed out the lyrics to Jeremy and I had them in my pocket. And I don't know why I had the lyrics to the song in my pocket, but I did. They printed out the lyrics and I had them in my pocket.

And my dad comes in. My dad looks where he goes, come here, boy. Come here. I'm all right. Come here. Sit down. And he pulls out the lid. He goes, what is this?

And I was like, it's a song. What you mean? It's a song. It seemed like some sacrilegious shit to me. I was like, what are you talking about? He was like, why he gnashed to teach his breasts? Why he gnashing? You know what I'm saying?

That happens in the Bible, the gnashing of teeth. Do you know what this means, boy? This gnashing that you speak of? I'm like, what are you talking? What are you talking? What are you? Like, what are you talking about? Hey, am I to understand that whoever Jeremy is blew his fucking brains out at the end of the song?

And I'm like, yeah, yeah, like he committed suicide like in the song. Like, you know what I mean? He didn't even, he had to deduce that because Ebony told him about the video. Ebony ratting me out. And he killed herself with a gun at the end of the song. She ratted me out. And this thing I said, uh-uh, uh-uh. Like I had an electric guitar, all this shit got taken away.

Oh, you did? I was trying to be in a band. The band was with me and Joseph. Guillotine. With me, Joe Santa Higan. It needed to stop. Yeah. It needed to stop.

Wait, wait. I, when I was like in my, I wasn't as deep of in a grunge phase or anything like that like you, but I was walking around the house and I was like. singing Lent Biscuit. And I was going... Great stuff. I did it all for the Nuky. Come on to Nuky.

And my dad goes, what did you say? I didn't know what Nuky meant. Oh, wow. So you can take that cookie. So my dad... Yeah, and I was like, so you can hate that cookie and stick it up your dog. Because I was doing like, and my dad was like... What the fuck are you on right now?

The judge. I said, that the other day. Do you remember that? I was like, you remember I was singing the lyrics to that song? It's like the time that I said, man, I'd empty up all my bank account to go see Otis Redding perform. And my dad goes, Rachel, he's dead. And I cry, I mourned him. Passing away. I mourned him that day. I mourned him

that day. Rachel, he died in the 70s or 60s. I can't even remember. 70s, 77. Okay, what's the next question? One more, Donna. All right. Let's go with Dex underscore 07H. If you needed to be remembered for something, what would you want that to be? Soup Kitchen.

I'm just kidding. I'm about to say, that's a good one. That's just kidding. I'm about to say, that's a good one, man. That's too deep. I can't really think about that. That's really deep. That is deep.

And I can't go there right now. Not just singing about the, Nookie. Yeah. I don't think that I've done anything yet to be remembered by. Because it's not a moment. I really need to think about that.

Because that's like a legacy question. Can we do another one? Yes. Do another one. Do another one. All right. Amanda Bake or Bakke 15. Best book you both read this year, question mark.

Oh, without doubt, is miss me with that. Miss me with that, you know. Real tears. changed my life. And since then, niggas's been missing me with that bullshit. They know,

miss me, I was, I'm gonna be honest with you. What? I was a, I was a cold whore before I read, miss me with that.

But after I read it, I became a bad bitch. As is, I became a bad bitch. I hate you. After I missed my target audience. As if that was, well, that's obviously minus fat,

crazy. you're tired. Oh! Obviously. All right. You have an unexpected ally of the week? I mean, I'll just do a throwback to the White House Twitter account. Oh, that's great.

Yeah. White House Twitter account putting people in. I mean, we could go there as to why some of these politicians got such big PPP loans, but we won't. We'll just acknowledge the fact that you were calling them out for their hypocrisy. Before we leave, Kanye West. Kanye West is dissing people. He's going crazy again.

On what? My kids are going on Instagram. My kids are going to Donda. They're not going to Sierra Canyon. Then he says, Charlemagne the God and Chris get your motherfucking popcorn. And can you please stop? No, we need to talk in person.

You don't have an say to where the kids go. Why you get say? Because you have. Why you get say-said? Because you have white. From my mom. Please tell him to stop mentioning my name. I'm almost 67 years old and don't always feel great.

And this stresses me to know in. Now, I don't have so-so over my black children and where they get to go to school. They will not do Playboy and sex tapes. Tell your Clinton friends to come get me. I'm here. What are you reading? This is Kanye West on his Instagram. Don't let Chris, Kanye West,

don't let Chris make you do Playboy like she made Kyle and Kim do. Hollywood is a giant brothel. Pornography destroyed my family. I deal with the addiction. Instagram promotes it. Not going to let it happen to Northie in Chicago. All right. Poor Kanye.

You got all cut up on the latest news, baby. Okay. Take a thing kept off, but do not stop your kids from going to Sierra Canyon. I am Van Laitha Jr. I'm Rachel and Lindsay. Crazy ass world. Oh, my God.