Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay - NFL Hiring Practices and Skip Bayless on the Black Woman Who Raised Him

Episode Date: April 1, 2022

Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay react to Todd Bowles taking over for Bruce Arians as head coach of Buccaneers (28:46), before digging into the NFL’s changes to the ‘Rooney Rule’ (35:37). Plus, Skip Bayless reflects on being raised by ‘the help’. Our words, not his (54:07). Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay Producers: Trudy Joseph and Donnie Beacham Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. What is up? Ha ha ha. Yeah, it's awesome. No. It is I, Van Lathan Jr. And it is me, Rachel Lynn Lindsay. I see you're still unpacking back there.

I see boxes. Well, it's the office, you know? So it's not a priority to me at the moment. I feel you. You know, I'm going to take. We've, I mean, we moved what, like 10 days ago? We've got a pretty good job. Yeah, not bad.

You got all your books up there. I see you got books, Zane. You got books by Zane up there. You know Zane? I know Zane. But the previous owner was a retired English teacher. So these are all his books. Got books on books on books.

So should I say that, Dan? You guys, I'm sorry. And go ahead and let them know because you know they're going to talk about you. Yeah, I apologize. Could you, yeah, the previous owner was an English teacher. And those are all their books. Yes, all their books. And it's like this in a few rooms, just books on books on books.

It's pretty cool. Are you going to get you, are you going to get rid of the books? I want to go through all of them and see. I'm about to say. Yeah. You don't know what's in there. You know what I'm saying? Can you imagine if it's just some wild, no.

No, no, no, no. I know who I got it from. You get, you getting there and it was like mind conf. You know, it's on the state. Look, here's the thing. How do you know those books on haunted? It could be. Haunted books.

But you know what? I feel like copper would have let me know at this point. Copper not fucking around with that. Listen, me and Copper touched souls while he was here. Copper, I talked to copper. You know? About what, Van. So this is what me and copper talked about.

You know, copper was me, because I was going back and forth to the kitchen. I was trying to get like food. When I were going there to get food, copper would be like, hey, Uncle Van, let me go in there with you real quick, you know, because he wanted some food too. And so I gave him a drumstick

and we're sitting there talking. And I'm like, you know, what are the things like at home? He's like, I'm not going to lie, bro. Compared to where I was before, this shit is lit, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, rage should be looking out. You know what I'm not?

He ain't lying. He was like, Rayshby looking out. He's like, yo, she let me do my own thing. You know what I'm saying? I kind of be chilling. Sometimes I don't be chilling. But, you know, mostly I just kind of walk around in my own zone, you know, I do me and I chill. Like Kevin Durant's MySpace profile used to say back in the days, I do me and I chill.

I was like, you know, what are your responsibilities? He was like, nothing, diggins? Nothing. I don't, I'm like, he was like, really, he was like, I see y'all. I see y'all. y'all do this little thing where y'all staring to this little box and it looks like y'all be talking to each other. I don't know what y'all be doing, but for me, I ain't got to do shit. You know, I'll just be rolling around, talking shit, doing my thing.

And that lets me know that Copper is not warning you if anything like that happens because it doesn't have to. Now you Matt Copper, and we've all heard him on this podcast. He will bark and raise hell at the sound of anything. at the presence of anything. When we moved into our place in Miami, copper wouldn't come through the door at first. That's a dog who's letting you know something right. No, you're misinterpreting the barking.

Because I used to think this about Bosewood as well. You're misinterpreting the barth. Okay. You think copper's warning you. That's not what he's doing. He's saying what's up? He's telling you to shut up. You bother him.

I thought you were going to say he's saying what's up to go. It's like, it's like, sometimes I think Bozeman is like somebody ring the doorbell. And I think Bozeman is like protecting us from the doorbell, protecting us from, that's not what he's doing. He's saying, yo, shut up with all of that noise, man. I'm trying to chase the ball. These dogs are different. The dog I had back in Louisiana, Apache, killer.

Okay. Come back there if you want. Come in my house right now. Bozeman will probably help you load the stuff up as you get like is you're bothering him you know I have no doubt in my mind that Bozeman is telling you to shut the fuck out Without a doubt without a doubt

My child Absolutely not Matter of fact he's at work he's at work right now Goes to work every day Huh? Oh he told me about that He told me you told me that you sent him to the doggy day The doggy daycare

Every day he doesn't like it shut out, man he told me he told me he said he isn't he said I was like I was like

yo man yeah bro what's telling me about these little fridge you be making he's like man that niggas a right bro

he's like them niggas straight but he was like on the real I can't really vibe with them because you know I come from the Texas streets

and these other Beverly Hills West Hollywood Hancock Park dogs like me and them though be on the same shit he runs a dice game there so he was telling me that he this is what he said he was telling me that like

you know he puts a little visor on and then after they break for lunch he comes in and they get together he runs a little craps game you know he's got a little racket going he's selling treats two for five five for ten and they're saying their little money up and they come to copper got the whole thing copper got a little racket

going he's like really there Well, then he should be thrilled. Talk about he don't like it. He doesn't really like them. That's why he had to start taking advantage of them because he told his exact words where he said, look, if you look at around in a room full of puppies and you don't know which one to mark is,

you to mark. And so he was like, I got to make sure these puppies know that I'm not the mark. So he got a little thing going. You know what? Get out of copper's mind. I don't like it. I don't like this character that she's created for copper. I don't like it.

I don't. Enough. Enough. But I got to be honest with you. When Bozeman was here, he followed Copper's leave. He did follow Copper's leave. When Post was here, he followed Copper's leave. You know, they was cool.

Copper was like, hey, Bozzen, come here for a second, bro. Let me teach you how to do this. I look over in the corner, Copper teaching Bowesman how to break a bone down, how to get the meat off of it. I see, got to do it like this, brus, you know, injure yourself. Because Bowesman kind of little chicken bones, but copper knew how to get around the whole thing. There's a real street dog.

A street nigger from Texas is what top. You can't tell anymore. He's living the life now. Far from it. So what of the last two days been like for you since Will Smith changed the world? Oh. I mean, for me,

what Will Smith did hasn't affected me personally. You want to be honest? I'm so tired of covering it to be 100% honest. I am tired of having to ask people about their reaction to what happened. Because at this point, if you were going to say something, you would already said it. At this point, nobody wants us to ask talent about it. Nothing new has really developed that's of substance, right?

So there's really nowhere to go with it. It reminds me of being at TMZ. This whole week has reminded me of being at TMZ. because when there was a celebrity story that broke at TMZ, you had to find every single angle of the story. And you would just beat the story to death until there was no more to it. Right. We got Will Smith related stuff to talk about on the podcast today.

But like you just keep on it until you didn't reach out to somebody's sisters, brothers, cousin. And they didn't tell it. It was just like, God damn, what is it over? You know what's hard? You know what's hard about what we do? Because our show is different from yours in certain ways. We can't give really opinions.

So we're reporting on what's out there. And when no new news is really coming, it's hard to keep, like, the news is to ask people their opinions. Like, I had a fantastic interview with Jim Carrey who gave an answer. I know people have people, some people haven't liked. his response. But it was interesting what he had to say. He and he wanted to talk, took the footage.

Couldn't hear it. Why? Because they said, because he had already got himself in too much trouble. He had, I already had that interview with Gail. But I actually thought it was interesting what he was saying because he more so in my interview got into the, we might see more of this happen because we were seeing every, you can't be everything to everyone is what he said.

And he was like, we've just gotten in a place where he said he thought the egot was the worst thing that could have happened because you're trying to do all these different things. And he's like, when is enough? When is it just okay to do what you do? And that be enough to try to prove all these things. You're trying to reach all these things. And he was like, it's physically impossible. It would be everything to everyone.

So eventually you might snap. And he was like, and we might see this. happen more often from celebrities in this society. And I'm paraphrasing what he was saying with the gist of it. This sounds smart to other niggas. You know what I'm saying? I'll be honest with you. These motherfuckers been snapping for years.

Let's not try to act like this. Phil Spector killed somebody. These motherfuckers been snapping. We've been watching celebrities snap. Like even, even out of this, Mara Carey snapped. Britney Spears snapped. To a degree, Whitney Houston and them, they snapped. This degree of celebrity for a lot of people living in society, there is a degree of

notoriety that is counterintuitive to human existence. It is simply not natural in the way we've socialized ourselves to walk around and have everybody know who you are, fixate on every step that you take, and break down and scrutinize every single move that you make. And they've been snapping for a long time. They've been snapping. Right. But the way our brains work is like,

it's so we easily forget, right? It happens. We move on. And it's the next thing. So I don't think it's wrong. We don't forget about this too. I know we are. But what I think he was more so saying is maybe the reminding of that it's

happened before. Maybe the reminding of we'll see it again. Maybe not in this way, but another way. and it might be more commonplace. Guess who we're not talking about right now? Who? Kanye West, a nigga who been snapping

because it happened to somebody else. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm not disagreeing with Jim Carrey, you know, who's very funny. He's very funny guy. I'm not disagreeing with Jim Carrey,

but what I'm saying is at a certain point and no one really wants to do this, at a certain point, the let me tell you what my my deep dark fear is you want to get to my deep dark fear

I'm talking about right now is my deep dark is this one of them or is it this the fear nigga I got like a this one of them yeah okay okay I go deeper and darker than a lot of people so this is my deepest

darkest fear about humanity my deepest darkest fear about people is that we actually have things exactly the way we want them See, I look at humanity as, and when I say humanity, I mean, cultures, period, black culture, humanity, period, you know, us within black people, right? In humans broadly, right? Let's just take black people. I worry sometimes that we have stuff just like we want it to be.

Now in what way? Okay, so intellectually I look at all of the things that are outside of people. All of the things that we've built that seem to be bigger than us. All of the things that we seem to worship that keep us where we are. Like racism, you know, even religion itself, sexism, homophobia, and all of these things. And I look at them as things outside of us that for whatever reason, we know deep. down or as there's a collective understanding that there are things that need to that these are things that need to be overcome right and as naive as it is for me to think that I really have

believed that like racism for example like racism was the law of the land for a long time right and it still continues to be the oxygen that America feeds off of but I've always thought to myself that it's just a matter of time before things really change in a real way because people understand fairness on a basic human level. You know, you get this. People know wrong from right, right? So people, because people know wrong from right, it's just like, and if you look throughout history,

you see these big examples of wrongs being trampled and being destroyed. But like, what if at our basis level, this is who we are? and I thought about this based upon what the slap really and I'm going way too deep into it but I thought about this based upon what the slap really did the slap really just reinforced

people's already their trauma that they already have right and I thought about black people specifically and I thought about everybody who told me that that was deserved and warranted and that it's actually okay to walk on the stage in front of all of those people slap another black man and that he deserved it

and I think to myself I'm thinking like And really, I couldn't talk people out of it, right? Not that I'm saying Will Smith is the worst person in the world. Not that I'm saying I was traumatized by it. Not that I'm using all of these big explosive adjectives. I'm just saying, can't we just all agree that that's wrong? Yeah. And the answer is no.

And so because the answer is no and the answer is no on so many things, the answer is no on fucking Kanye West. Because like the answer is no on so many things. I'm like, you know, really, maybe this is us. Maybe the, maybe they're not lying to themselves. Maybe they are who they are. I am who I am. And the only thing that we could do is do our best to stay out of each other's way.

Maybe there's no, like maybe there's absolutely no, maybe too much happened for people to actually see things differently. And I've really been considering this. And it's like, it's a little scary. I'm going back and forth and I'm talking to people. And I was talking to one person specifically. And they said, well, I don't even consider what happened to Chris Rock on the stage to be violence. And I was like, they consider it.

They say it's not violence. It's like a little slap. It's like a little slap that didn't really move him at all. That's not violence. That person had just said to me before that the joke was violence. The joke was violence, but the slap wasn't. Like, how can you reason with that? You know what I mean?

I mean, I'm not saying that the, I'm not saying, I'm not saying that the joke was innocuous. And then I'm not saying that the slap was the worst thing in the world. I'm not saying either one of those things. But sometimes I get to a point. And y'all, I'm wrong on here all the time and I'm stubborn on here all the time. and I'm fucking like, I'm bullheaded on here all the time. And to some of these,

to some people, I'm probably the guy that I think that I'm talking to. But like, I just wonder like, yo, man, like, yeah, we kind of fucked. We,

well, don't you think that's adulthood? Right? When people say that people never change, or you can't change someone, so much might have happened to someone along their life, or maybe even recently, where they're like not going to change.

They are so affected by what has happened to them or what has happened in society and how that has impacted them that they're not going to see it any other way. For example, like what we were talking about in the last episode, when you were talking about the sand. There's some women who have been so impacted by the way they've been treated or perceived by men

or black men in this society. And they're so desperate. and longing for that, like that, for it to be reciprocated or for that love to come back, that they will desperately grab on to something knowing that it still won't give them what they want. You're never going to change their mind on that. And it's interesting that you say that because when I see, like, some tweets from, and I'll just stay on this, in this track, specifically from black women, I'm like, how can you not

see it the other way? I just think so much has happened to them or they have, or they perceive things the way they've been impacted by society or her society's treated them, but they're never going to see it any other way. That's adulthood, though. Yes. And here comes the butt. Okay.

Doesn't, okay, isn't there an understanding of how you're fucked up? For example, because of it, because, so, so, so, so, so you're saying, so think about it. Isn't there an understanding of how you're fucked up? So because of my relationship with my father, I am forever, forever, forever, forever in ways going to have an inferiority complex. But why do you know that? Because it's... Because of therapy?

No. How'd you figure that out? So I'll tell you how I figured that out. Like, I figured that out just by analyzing why I'm so hyper. are competitive sometimes and why I always feel like I have to have the last word and why sometimes it's difficult

for me to take the help because as much as I love that and I loved him from the top of his head to the five of his feet. I had somebody who established themselves as being above me and being beyond reproach and consistently

saying to me, there's a measure that you have to meet and I don't know if you can do it. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like there's a, there's a measure of manhood that you have to get to and son, I'm not sure. And not just for, not just him. He's like Pete Lathen, Bishop Lathen, Victor Lathen, like Jimmy Williams, all of these guys,

my uncles, like, talking about them. And these guys are like that, to be honest with you. Charles Stewart. They're like, all of these guys, like my uncles talking about them. They're like, you know, mythical gods. They're more than men. Tell me about what they did back in the devil. And you have to do this.

And you don't do that by like watching Stanley Kubrick movies and roller skating around the neighborhood. You know what I mean? Like you like you don't get there by. Sure. You know what I'm saying? Like he had his definition for what it was. Right.

Right. And so when I got to a point to where things started to happen for me in a way, I'm like, Okay, well, this is what I think. This is me. I'm okay. And because I'm okay, I'm fine. Like, me being okay with who I am is like rebellion against my father. Like, but that sometimes stops me.

I get it. Yeah, like me being who I am is like rebellion against my dad. It's like, this is me. I'm fine. I'm okay for myself. No one else can tell me that I'm bad. And me reaffirming that. that to myself, I'm rebellion against him, right?

But I still see shit that's fucked up, right? I still see like the things in him that are fucked up, the things in me that are fucked up. I still can like separate sort of, at least I hope that I can, the fact that there are all of these things in society, all of these deals that we have to make. And these things are simply like non-negotiable. I understand that there are certain things and certain. We talked about Leah Thomas on this on this podcast, right? And I realized that I went into that conversation half ignorant about the science of that.

But I did that. I wanted that though. Because I get that. Yeah. I need people to hear themselves sometimes. So I need to hear myself. And there's still more work to be done. And I'm still not sure what it is that I believe about that.

But I do understand that the goal has to be equitable and fair treatment and all of these things. But like sometimes it doesn't even feel like we agree on that. It feels like we agree on. It feels like the only thing we agree on is doing what makes us feel best to do in the moment. And that to me feels like the overriding, and this is way deeper than Will Smith and Chris, right. It seems like to be the overriding edict in human existence. is a hundred percent that's exactly who we are and i mean for you to be able to talk about it in this way and and and and be able to i don't even know if it's necessarily compartmentalized but be able to

i mean look within and and and pinpoint certain things and understand the root of it and able to separate you know why you have this feeling and this reaction and where it comes from most people cannot do that which is why i asked you if it's therapy that has helped you because i know therapy is what helped me when I first started going, realizing, oh, that I do this because this happened to me and I'm affected by this or I'm too fearful to make this decision because of a standard that's been placed on me or, you know, wanting to please and be a certain way and fulfill this certain destiny that's been laid out in front of me. I get that. Most people don't do that. Most people don't, I think personally, don't understand the why of,

of their thinking or where it comes from or why they can't see the other side of it or why someone's like oh no the violence is in what he said and not the slap and can't see that maybe it's both sure and you know what i also think just to be fair to people i think also maybe the fact that i've had like anxiety attacks and it's manifaces itself in so many physiological ways that i can't ignore makes me go like these obsessions that i have like when i start playing playing pool and like I start playing pool around in college or whatever I realized that I like pool I start playing pool hours and hours a day until I get good enough to where people can't criticize me for pool then I start playing Marvel versus Capcom too I realize I like to play the

game I start playing hours and hours a day traveling around playing the game so people can't criticize me for being bad at Marvel versus Capcom to basketball basketball to basketball play basketball my whole life. When I was getting back in shape, I drill myself basketball. No one can tell me I'm bad at it. Right? So like boxing.

I box, but I go every single morning. Right? So people, so you can't tell me I'm bad at it. And the reason why I don't want people to tell me that I'm bad at it is because every time I'm boxing, I'm boxing against my father.

Every time I play pool, I'm playing pool against my dad. Every time I'm playing video games, I'm playing video games against my father. Every time I'm running, every time I'm having the debate, every time I'm doing all of this, I'm doing it against my dad. Because I don't want anybody to tell me that I'm not, that I'm bad.

I don't want anyone to tell me that I don't measure up. And so that drives me to just get fixated on something until I know I'm good enough at it. Right? Until I can be confident that I'm good enough at it. And so I get that about myself, but I also like, I don't,

sometimes I'm not saying that other people don't get these things about themselves I'm like sometimes I have conversations and we'll and you'll talk and I'll and maybe this is once again my arrogance I'll be like yo on the baseline like you can't see what this is wrong like you can't see where we fuck wrong you can't see where we can't do it like this I get it I get how you feel but we can't do it like this right I mean I do we can't do this I know And it'll be like, no, I'll be like, well, fuck, man. Like, we just, we just out here. Like, if we can't, look, look, I'm just saying, if we can't agree that just straight

up dogging somebody when they say something you don't like, if we can't agree that that's wrong. And by the way, I want to say something here slightly controversial. Like, people were like, if. If a white man called you a nigger, is it different? Yes and no. Yes and no. In a perfect world, it wouldn't be different, right? But it is different because what I'm talking about in the case of Chris Rock and Will Smith or any of this other stuff is specifically how I think we should treat each other.

I don't think we owe white America emotional restraint. I don't think they burned it. Well, I just think that's also apples and oranges, too, because of what I think that there are levels to, okay, I think there are levels to what you have to look at what's being said. That word versus a medical condition. I'm sorry, we've talked about it before, so we don't even need to go into it. There's a whole history there. I think it elicits a completely different response and it's okay. It's different.

Straight up, though. I guess what I, but, you know, haven't said all that, I'm still. fucking Will Smith. Of course. Nothing's changed in my mind. Well, because one moment can't necessarily define you. We'll talk about it.

Just think of, I've been having deep thoughts, deep thoughts. This is kind of me and copper talked about. Okay. What we talk about, though? Like, but this is kind of, you don't want to believe that me and him had this.

So he'd be texting me. He had, like, a couple of days ago, he asked me for $10. I would, okay, first of all. A couple of days ago, like, a couple of days ago. I would actually love to believe that you would copper really talk. A couple of day coppers did me like, yo, man, like he FaceTime me. I look at him like, yo, he had a cigarette hanging outside of his mouth.

He's like, yo, yo, I'm down here, man. These niggas kind of busting me a little bit. Yo, you can see me 10? Now, that's what you're not going to. Copper can talk to you and tell you all day, but what he is not in is need. Let's take a break. We come back with a big deal of the day. For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters.

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It's the big deal of the day. It's diversity in the NFL. Rachel loves the NFL. She's good. Rachel loves the NFL. Let me tell you, of all the things that our audience doesn't like about us, what do you think of the top five things that the higher learning audience doesn't like about us? Trudy's Corner.

For sure. They hate it on both sides. Our hypocrisy when it comes to the NFL. Yeah. Christianity, they don't dig it at all. They don't, oh, they do not like when we talk about religion. Defining blackness. Hate it.

They hate that, too. I mean, I'm sure it's more than five things. It's a lot of things. We stay pissing off our. our audience. And then you keep coming back for more. Christianity is way up there. Like Christians.

And I'm not like even like a traditional Christian. You know what I mean? I believe I'm on the fringe, maybe. You know, I call myself a Christian with a brasser's password. Is what I call myself. You know? Okay. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But yeah, the NFL is one of them. And look, the more I was digging into this topic, that's the big deal of the day, the more I was asking myself. Yeah, the NFL's, let's be honest with the NFL's all fucked up, Rachel. It is. Yeah.

It is so weird. You know, all it is. This is kind of one of the ways that I'm talking about. Think about this. I just talked about not understanding people and meeting moments and have, this is one of those things for me. Because I understand that this organization is a pretty fucked up organization. yet when that little brown ball starts flying around the field I'm right there like

feed me some racism Now Bruce Arias has stepped down as the Buccaneers coach Now he stepped up for his old friends His old friend Bruce Aaron's Super World winning coach He was the coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers For a while

But he's an Arizona Cardinals after that He's not stepped down He's not going to be the coach anymore He's going to have a front office job He is advocating or has advocated for his friend Todd Bowles to become the head coach of the Tappenababak

Buccaneers and that's what happened. Todd Bowles is a black man. He's a blick penta. Todd Bulls will now drink the heart-shaped herb and get the bears of the blick panther. But this is a long line of

wokeness for Ariens. In case you guys didn't know, if you see him, you know that he's down with us he wears a Kango because that's the defining thing I'm gonna be honest with you I'll be honest with you think about it you're looking at three white dudes

and you're playing the game who's the ally right let's play a game a game called who's the ally three white guys just on site Cowboy hat baseball hat Kangal not even fucking close are you kidding me

Cowboy hat, baseball hat, Kangol is by far the ally. As a matter of fact, you could even put a beanie on one of them. The beanie could be like one of those skinheads wearing like those beanies and shit. You don't even know. Cowboy had baseball hat, can go? Definitely. Cowboy hat, you might have to get your smash on.

You might need to run. Baseball hat, probably January 6. Kangol, you just go You know So yeah, he wears a can go But look, he back in the 60s When he was a quarterback in Virginia Tech Was one of the

First guys at Virginia Tech To have Blake roommates Yeah, black roommates Stop saying Black. In 2021 He added two women to his staff And had 11 black coaches and three

11 black coaches and three coordinators Bruce Ariens I guess he's been down now I did like the fact that I saw him put hands on one of his black players last year and so you know

I always wonder when coaches do things like that if there's a little baked in sort of white supremacy that makes them think that they can put hands on these players like this but whatever only seven other black men have ever been the permanent head coach of at least two NFL franchises

in their careers and now Todd Bolton is one of those. A lot of talk about diversity in the NFL. Before we get to some of these other things, these other things swirling around, what do you think about the newest, latest black coach and how he got his job here? Well, I mean, I think he got it the way that coaches should.

He's qualified for the job. He clearly has the experience. And he's got somebody who's either held the position or been in this industry a long time vouching for him. this is how it should go. You know, without getting into all the other topics we're going to talk about, this is exactly how it should be. Todd Bowles is clearly qualified, deserves the job,

understands the system, understands the framework of that team. He deserves it as a coordinator, as an experience being the head coach before for the Jets. He deserves this. It's no question. And what Bruce Ariens is, and I don't want to praise him too much because then I feel like we're being very hypocritical too in the

since they were like praising the white guy who's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. This person, he's being fair, right? He's being, him having 11 coaches, that's great. They're probably qualified, right? He's not, he's not doing the good old boys club. The women are they that he has. They're qualified to be there. He's putting people in the position who deserve to be there outside of any other factors.

That's what he should be doing. So I'm not going to pat him on the, I'm not going to praise him too much. But Todd Bowles deserves to be there. So good for him for, you know, speaking up and saying that as well. Yeah, I'm not going to pat him on the back, but I, you know, I'm not going to pat him on the back, but I will let him in the club first. You know what I mean? Before the others?

Sure. If it comes down to him and the others. Yeah. If I'm working the door to the club, I'm like, yo, Aaron is, bro. Come on. Okay, get a free bottle. No free bottles, nigga. We don't get no free bottles.

Just getting the club. You're paying for the bottles because this is club black. And we need all the bottles to be sold. All right, the NFL is a stinky. siv of racism. We already know that. But they've instituted two new things and they're trying to address what's going on in the league as far as some of the inequalities is concerned. One is the NFL is now requiring teams to hire minority or women as offensive assistance.

An expansion of the Rooney Rule. If you don't know what the Rooney Rule is, the Rooney Rule is the complete fucking joke that the NFL has had going on for a long time. which requires you to interview a black coach if you have a coaching opening. So that means, let's explain the Rooney, really, really, you guys. Let's say I'm coach of the Beverly Hills Bozeman's. You know what I mean? The Beverly Hills Bowesman's. And we've fired our coach.

And I want to hire a coach, four guys on the list. they're all white. Can't happen. I have to interview a black person, right? I have to interview a black guy. Normally it's a guy, but it doesn't say, you know, obviously, because, you know, we're talking about NFL coach, but I have to interview a minority for this job. Okay.

What happens most of the time is that minority interview doesn't mean anything. Okay. Normally I know who I want to hire. It's one of these four white guys. I interview the black coach just to meet really real requirements. We've seen this happen before in the case of Brian Flores. When Brian Flores thought that he had a shot of getting a giant's job, he was texting with his old friend Bill Belichick.

He did not realize that the job had already been filled and he was not going to get it. He was probably a Rooney Rule interview casualty. No, he was. Right. He was. We've always speculated this, but the Brian Flores incident put it full, like we actually have evidence that it happened. That the guy had been hired before.

Brian Flores interviewed for the job. So that's essentially a waste of Brian Flores' time. And really, to be honest with you, a waste of the organization's time as well. Now, there are people who still argue that even if that is the case, have you heard this argument before, that it's still beneficial for minority coaches to interview for jobs that they were not going to get. Why? For practice?

Yeah, basically. Yeah. Okay. I'm serious. confidence boost? No, I can't, I can't get down with that school of thought. They say, they say that putting coaches, I'm just, this is what they say, they say that having black coaches go through the interview process, right, that that gets them familiar with

the interview process. It prepares them for the interview process. And it also helps them meet executives in a very formal way around the league that they might do business with, be consider. for it because let's say you're the executive of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and then you Rooney Rule interview some guy, then you move on and now you're with the 49ers. Well, you've interviewed that guy.

He's already in your mind. And if he made an impression, even if you didn't hire him from that job, he can still be top of mind for you at another job. No. Because if what we're saying, if what we believe about the Rooney Rule is true, that they're just checking a box because they have to, then how do we know how detailed and rigorous the interview process is for a black candidate when you're just just doing what you have to do they might be in their key key in with them just

because they like that coach doesn't know what the real interview process is brian flores went in thinking he was excited about the possibility to get this job as the giant's head coach thinking he had a real shot per his text message to belchak and turns out they were never considering him they'd already hired the guy. So you tell me how rigorous that interview process was. It wasn't. So that, that to me is out the window. Like that's no. And honestly, I think that these coaches, I mean, these executives and these front office people have their minds made up from the moment that they walk in. I mean, these candidates walk in. I don't really think that the interview process has that much of an influence personally. I think they'd know who they want. Right? You think Sean Payton's

going to have to go through a big process when he becomes the Dallas Cowboys new head coach? No. He's a Super Bowl winning coach, Rach. But I'm just saying the other people, the other people are getting that good practice when they go in there. No, the job is Sean Payton's whenever he wants to accept it. So now they've expanded upon this.

Beginning this season, all 32 clubs will employ a diverse person, diverse person, female or a member of an ethnic or racial minority to serve as an offensive assistant. So on your office of staff, you're going to have to have a quote unquote diverse person. Female, racial or ethnic minority. Okay.

The league will reimburse teams for the assistance salary for up to two years. Why is the mandate that the coach have to work on offense? That's what they said. In recent years, head coaches have been predominantly offensive coaches. So they're saying develop an offensive talent More important because we're seeing more offensive head coaches And the NFL is paying the salary for the first two years Of these diverse people

Because they know these teams don't want them I think this is an admission of guilt I think that this shows Here's the thing Y'all call hypocrites Hypocrite or want Yes, I watch the NFL. Yes, I've had to cover the NFL and work.

Yes, I do like football. Of course. You like it because it's racist. Yes. I literally told somebody in my DMs the other day. They tried to get at me because they said I allow you to say the N-word, but I didn't allow Hannah Brown. And they told me that I was racist.

I told me that was racist because of that. That's a crazy nigger. Whoever said that nigger, nigger, and a happy nigger to you. And I said, and use the word three times. And I said, you know what? If you just wanted to say the word, just say it. Just say it. Just.

But I told her I was racist. And I said, I'm glad you figured it out. I'm racist. But anyways, okay, this to me is an admission of guilt. For them to change the rules, knowing that typically head coaches are come from the offensive side of the game. and knowing that they don't have diversity and inclusion already within the teams and then creating this rule to me shows that the stuff that Brian Flores is asserting in his lawsuit, there is truth to

it, which is why I find it so interesting because the NFL's response to Brian Flores lawsuit is that it is without merit. Well, if it's without merit, and maybe there's talking about some of the other things that he's asserting. But if it is without merit, then why are you creating this new rule? I think you realize, and this is the thing with the NFL, and this is why, you know, we talk about the racism and the problems within it. Never that I can recall has the NFL been proactive when it comes to diversity and inclusion. It is always a response to an allegation, to a lawsuit, to someone calling it out some type of media public attention placed on the NFL. This is exactly what's happening right now.

Brian Flores possibly sacrificing himself in the process. He is the sacrificial. I may never get another head coaching job. Thanks to Mike Tomlin, you know, advocating for him. He does have a job in the NFL, but may never have a head coaching job for reasons like this. If he doesn't win, if his lawsuit gets thrown out, at the end of the day, his lawsuit, cause this rule change. Whether it has been official in the long run and creating more diversity and inclusion in the head coaching position or not, it has caused attention and spotlight and

highlighting an issue in the NFL that the NFL does not want. And what is it doing? It's changing its rule, which we've seen it do time and time again. That's how I look at it. At this point, why would Brian Flores even want to be an NFL head coach? Are you mocking me because of Colin Kaepernan? Yes, I 1,000% am. And I am so glad that you picked up on it. Right. Because all of you out there, and of course he still wants to be an NFL head coach is his job.

And even though he realizes that the NFL is a racist place to work, it's the only gig in town, guys. Bill you. Well, I didn't exactly say, well, I'm implying it. Sure. Sure. sure I'm implying I'm a hypocrite

we all are I guess but I guess you know Cap has gone down such a long of much longer road than it was the slavery thing for you isn't it it's like no but in no but in his lawsuit slavery is asserted as well the owner sitting at the top

watching the Negroes play on the plane it's somewhere like that in the lawsuit there's something he asserts it as well but I guess Cap sued on collusion and hopefully, yeah, yeah, I'm hypocrite. Yeah, I tried to make it work.

I tried to make it work. But I can't. We have, this is what we're going to do whenever we're doing. But I didn't say that, wait, wait, can I just say this? I never said cap shouldn't be in the leg. I said, I just, can you explain to me why? Why? I guess I get the feeling for Brian Flores.

He still wants to be a part of this. Of course he does. He loves football. He loves football people. Yeah, he does. He does. Remember that game, Hungry, Hungry, Hungy Hippos? Don, do you ever play it?

Ever play Hungry, hungry hippos? Remember that? Of course. Don, Don, you play? Don, you play it? Don, do you play it? Loved it, yeah. Big fan.

I would always choose the green hippo. The nigga asked you was a hip-off. Yeah, too, to TMI. Yeah, like, like, see what I'm saying? You come in, like, you're trying to build more in rows to the audience again. He's filling himself. He's always like, like, green hippo. We asked you straight up, did you ever play the game?

And you came through with the green hippo. Yeah, that's what we are. Whenever we're being, like, whatever we're being hypocritical, we just call ourselves some hungry, hungry hippos. There's not a bigger hippo on this whole podcast. And Trudy, and we'll talk about why later. I don't like that.

What he just called you was a heifer. Did you get that? Did you catch that? Did you catch that, Truddy? I didn't do that at all. Never. That's what I heard. Guys, one day I'm going to tell you a story of when calling a heifer goes wrong.

Family reunion. Does it ever go right? But wait, why would it ever go right? A heifer. I will never call the woman a heifer ever after what I witnessed as a child. Ever was terrible. They also, the NFL also announced the creation of a diversity advisory committee, which will review league and club diversity policy policy.

with a focus on senior level coaching in front office positions. Okay? This is very true. They're going to do this. All right. It's going to be led by Houston, Texan, general manager, Rick Smith, and include experts of business, academics, legal, DEI, and football league announced. Now, here's a deal.

You think that's a good deal? The NFL always has an ace up the sleeve. You got to know and hold them. the diversity advisory committee includes two lawyers who represent employer interests. Jim Trotter talked about the minority coaches, execs, wanting to be able to choose committee members. There's some, oh, go ahead. Go ahead and play the sound for me, Donnie. Well, Patrick, what I can tell you is that the people I've spoken to about this, the people who are most impacted by this have not greeted it with great enthusiasm.

Number one, they say the NFL has said it wants to expand the voices it hears on this issue. And yet these coaches and executives and folks say they did not have a role in selecting the six members on this diversity committee. As one coach said to me, don't you think minority coaches and executives in the NFL would like to choose or have a say in the people who are advocating for them? Mm. Your thoughts? It's all for sure. It's, see, there is no merit in Brian. All of this is a reaction to the Brian Flores lawsuit.

It means nothing. They will do nothing. I mean, granted, this new rule with hiring a person that's a minority or, what was it, a person minority, or a female, a woman. A woman, a diverse person, Rachel. Come on now. But it says a woman. As a diverse person, which is defined as a woman or someone from a fucked up race is the way it's looked at in the thing.

That's what it says. So there's a gap in it, right? Because what if you don't identify with the gender? Well, I mean, I'm sure that you would be diverse, diverse person for the NFL. But you said, you said minority or you said woman. You said that's what it says. It says, it says woman or person from a fucked up race. But that's race.

That doesn't quote. That doesn't, that doesn't. I don't know. You're going to get yourself in trouble. Okay. No, I'm not getting myself in trouble. I'm saying that it's not including everyone. It's what I'm saying.

The way people identify. It's not. Are you familiar with the term called regulatory capture? You know what that is? No. No. So regulatory capture, I'm going to give you guys the definition of it. And then I'm going to give you the way I see it playing out to this. So regulatory capture is in politics, regulatory capture is a form of corruption of authority that

occurs when a political entity policymaker or regulator is co-opted to serve the commercial ideological or political interests of a minor constituency, such as a particular geographic area, industry, profession, or ideological group. So I'll give an example of regulatory capture the way I see it. It's like when you hire a guy from Goldman Sachs who used to work at Goldman Sachs to be like the secretary of the treachery, right? So you hire somebody from Goldman Sachs to be the secretary of the treasury. People on the outside, they look at that and they say, okay, that makes a lot of sense.

He knows the way money works and stuff like that. Also, but also, though, in that situation, though, now you essentially have a Goldman Sachs Baker writing U.S. monetary policy. What does that mean? That all of his motherfucking pals and his cronies over at GS and all of those other people are probably going to get favorable outcomes as far as the way the policy is written and the country is governed when it comes to money.

And this is what happened in 2008 when you had all of these people making the rules used to work at Goldman Sachs and Goldman Sachs guy still got their bonuses and they still got all of this stuff and the American taxpayer had to fund huge bailouts for all these banks. It's more complicated than that.

I get it. Do not kill me financial people that are listening to this. But regulatory capture is when the people who are essentially making the policy have a vested interest in serving a small group of people. The NFL can't help but endeavor into that. They can't help it.

The NFL can't help but work for itself, which is the problem with all of this stuff. You're asking the NFL in this particular issue to be accountable, but it's very difficult to be accountable to yourself when there's not. no incentive for you to do so. The only incentive for the NFL to be doing this

is bad press. It's not good enough. So two of the people that they've hired, one is Peter Harvey. It works for a law firm that deals in making sure employers have good outcomes in these types of situations. They hired another lady. Her name is Patricia Browne Holmes.

She recently defended McDonald's in a discrimination case brought by black franchises who claimed that their white counterparts received a preferential treatment preferential treatment. Why on earth, if you're trying to why on earth? I'm sure Patricia Brown Holmes

is a great lady, but why would she be brought on when she's represented the interests of McDonald's basically over black people? The NFL doesn't even think we're watching them. It's interesting. It's interesting, is what I'm saying. It's interesting. You know Patricia's black.

so what? No, I'm just saying that's no, it does to them. That's part of the reason that she was also picked. Patricia. So yeah, look, you guys, we realize that we know that we're hypocrites, okay? I am glad the Saints didn't get to Sean Watson now because I don't know what I would have done. I doubt have been too much. I got to watch the Sean Washington fleeing the pigskin around.

I guess it'd be tough, you know, to watch that. So there's a level, what level of hypocrisy? would you say you're all from the level of one to ten, judge your hypocrisy on the NFL? Seven. Did you say seven? We're up there. At least.

I'll say it's still ten. At least. It's not even who you think you are. It's not ten. It's not ten because we at least will call it out and acknowledge it. Okay, but we up there. What you're soup kitchen in the NFL?

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Skip Bayliss says he was raised by Black Woman. He has a Skip Bayless show. And he spoke fondly of Katie Bell, a black woman who worked for his grandmother, to whom the job of raising him fell. Run the audio. Now for the tricky part. Katie Bell Henderson worked for my grandmother in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

My grandmother traveled in her work, and she needed somebody to run the household. And Katie Bell had been with her for a long time in. And Katie Bell took over the household. My immediate family, my extended family, I never got any racist vibes from anybody. Everybody loved Katie Bell, but they treat her like an equal. They treated her like one of the family. You're just going to have to trust me on this.

She was an authority figure. Nobody in my family, my cousins, nobody except for one quick story I'll tell in a second I didn't hear the N-word I heard it school occasional on the playground when I was a little kid but not from my parents or my grandparents I just didn't hear it Katie Bell was just Katie Bill to me Katie Bell what look you know what it just reminds me of my grandmother my my dad's mom passed away and she passed away there was like these white people at her

funeral I was like why are they there. I forgot that she used to like, she was like a, she was like a nanny. Right. She'd be like a nanny to like kids growing up. She'd like raise these kids. Like she was a nanny in the house. So all these kids, there are

these people that are rich white people that looked at her as sort of a mother figure. You know what? I thought I don't know them people. I mean, they can't be that close to her. Because there would be times with her grandkids, you know, it was kind of fucked up. We never heard from them. It's not like a family family. It's, I'm not saying that I don't know why this bothers me.

This is this man's experience with Katie Bell, who was a stoutly built woman. He comes from a family who never said the N-word. And they had a woman like that movie Clarence Hart when it was Whoopi Goldberg and Neil Patrick Harris, who came in and changed his life. I don't know why it bothers me, but I think I do know why it bothers me. I wish Katie Bell didn't have to raise no fucking snot-nosed-ass Stephen A's fucking no, snot-nose-ass Skip Bayliss.

I wish Katie Bell didn't have to do that. I wish you to think about how fucked up Skip Bayliss was as like an 11-year-old, you know, hating on somebody that hadn't been born yet. Like said, that problem was still every day was still hating on LeBron probably. You know what I'm saying? Like think about what Katie Bell had to go through. I wish she didn't have to be his school mom or whatever. I don't know.

It just bothered the shit out of me. I don't know why listening to him talk about how dope Katie Bell was and the fact that they were doing her a favor by never calling her the N-word. I don't know. It just bothered me. I don't like that shit. It should bother you. It should bother you because Skip Bayless let everybody know he had a mammy. That's what he just did.

He introduced everyone to his mammy. And I'm sure it's not the first time he's told that story on television or in a podcast or some four. of media. The reason that it bothers you so much is because Katie Bell wasn't hanging with Skip out of the goodness of her heart because she just enjoyed the company of some white kid. She had to. She was employed by his grandmother. She was the help. She had to take him with her to church. So while he is romanticizing and glorifying certain memories, and I'm not, and I, and I'm, sure he does go on. I listen to the whole thing.

He talks, he talks about his mother who was an alcoholic. He talks about how he had to go from family member to family member. He spent a lot of time with his grandmother who Katie Bell worked for. So he spent a lot of time with Katie Bell. But Katie Bell was what had to work for him. And so I think what bothers you is how. much he's talking about it, like it's this beautiful love story when at the end of the day, Katie Bell was the help. And she had to do it. My grandmother did this. My great-grandmother did

this. And at my great-grandmother's funeral, very similar to what you discuss, I saw members of the family that she worked for, which they literally talk about her the same way that Skip does. and what bothers is that like they had to they had to I'm not saying Katie Bell didn't have some sort of love for Skip but they had a lot of love to give had to do that

it bothers you when you hear Skip Bayless say I was the only white face of the church but they treated me like a prince sign of the times God damn quote that's what he said sign of the times what else were they going to treat you like like you were an outsider

You know what I mean? And so it's just, it's one thing for him to pay respects to a woman who met a lot in his life. But you can't do that without acknowledging that time period and what black people had to do to survive at that point and not talk about the struggle of black people. And honestly, what black women had to endure. Truly. Like there weren't many options for uneducated black women, which is why your grandmother has a very similar story to my grandmother and my great-grandmother. And you know what they wanted to do?

They wanted to be with their families and they kids. But it wasn't a lot of options. Exactly. And I also found it interesting that he said in the clip, if you all listened to the whole thing, he said he hadn't talked to her since she was 20. Well, if you watch the movie The Help, you see that they raise these children who eventually grow up to hate them. And I'm not saying that skip. I'm just saying he and talk to Katie Bell who he glorifies and romanticizes since he was 20.

And that's what that's a story for a lot of them is that they move on. They become affected by society. And maybe the way that they saw them as children is not the same way they see them as adults. And it's a totally different thing. I don't know. It bothered me as well. And I'm not. And clearly it's emotional for him.

But you can't talk about that without talking about the other side of it. I want to know how much, I want to know. How much made you made? Nah, I don't want to know how much she made. I want to know how close he is with her kids and stuff. None. Like, not. Like, talk about the story of once you became an adult in y'all's relationship, you know?

She's no longer with us. We're so cynical. We're so jaded. I don't care. I don't care. Rachel, what's wrong with us? We're the people that you talked about at the beginning of this podcast. We are so those people.

Rachel, we're those people. We're so those people. No. You know why I can talk like that? Because I can tell a story from my grandmother and my great-grandmother. It's not, it's, it's not, it wasn't that for them. Sorry, it wasn't.

Katie Bell. You know what? You know what the crazy thing is? Like, you just never know how it's gonna go. It's, Skip probably thought, Skip probably thought he was gonna be a nigga other day. Well, he shouted them all out

And said that he's more comfortable around His wife told him he's more comfortable About black folks than he is around white folks And that's all because of his mammy Katie Bell Yeah, like You just never know, Skip Skip, you never know Okay

You thought it you thought it was going to be today Isn't today a nigger day for you It's not You thought it was going to be today Hey, you've been wearing Jordan. Skip been trying to talk to us for a while now. He got that chain, you know? Because I'm going to be honest with you.

Let's talk real quick about this. Turtle neck with chain. Okay. You do a turtle neck. You wear a chain. That's black, right? It's tacky. Turtleneck and chain is tacky.

I don't like it. And? You're a big Drake fan. No, I never said that. You don't like Drake now? I like Drake. I didn't say I was a big fan. You were a big fan of Drake when we saw him that night at the Oscar party.

You're very big fan of. Did we switch places? Did we switch? Hey, Drake said hi to me. Y'all, y'all see that? Rachel, Kalika, y'all see that? Drake dabbed me up. Drake acknowledged me.

I was trying to get to the bathroom. Yeah, right. There was plenty of bathrooms. You were trying to get to the Drake room. Brian, I'm joking. Okay, so a couple of updates to Slapgate. Slapy slap, slap, slap happy. One, the academy says Will Smith was asked to leave after the slap and refused to leave.

Do you believe this? I don't know, because I've heard the other side of it. What's the other side of it now? I haven't heard the other side yet. Well, no, TMZ. Pause. TMZ is saying that that's not true. they're hearing reports

if the Academy never did that. So I guess here's where I land on it. It doesn't matter if the Academy asked him. Okay. Can I let you guys know something real quick. Okay. That came from Will Smith's camp. Yes.

They're hearing reports. No, they didn't hear no reports. Fucking TMZ is very wily. They're going to use this to get closer to the Will Smith camp. They're going to use this to get, TMZ as an organization is very, very adept at swooping in on a celebrity in their lowest moment or most vulnerable public moment to then use that moment to build a relationship with that celebrity, right? So in this particular moment, Harvey or somebody at the office is communicating to the Will Smith camp that, hey, you don't have to talk, we'll talk for you.

Hey, is this true? They can't come out and say it. and they don't really want to have too much conversation back and forth with maybe like a blue blood, like people magazine about it. But they'll definitely talk to TMZ about it. This one thing definitely came from the Smith camp. Came from the Smith camp. Sure.

But here's what doesn't matter. Even if the academy really did say that, you didn't force him to leave. So you asking him and him saying, you're going to force him after that. But like the academy is trying to say face. No, no, no. But the academy is trying to say.

face, right? Because people have been hypercritical and rightfully so of the academy and the way they handled this entire situation. So now they're like, well, we asked him to leave. Okay, but did you make, did you tell him he had to leave? You're going to make him leave after he just smacked the man on TV? At the very at the very least,

they could have stopped panning the camera over to him throughout the night. We kept getting shots of Will Smith all night, having a good old time sit front and center at the award show. At the very least, they played into him, which is why they're now apologizing to Chris Rock.

So it doesn't matter whether they did or didn't. At the end of the day, you allowed him to remain in the same space that he was pre-slap. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't really have that much of a problem that he watched the rest of the show. Okay. That's fine. I think you should have been removed. I mean, maybe, but like.

Anybody else? It was so bizarre. It was so bizarre. We wouldn't a guy. It was so bizarre. It was like, I don't know. You know what the thing is, and this is so fucked up. I know it's wrong, but I'm not mad.

Everybody, like, this is, I watch Wanda Sykes. Wanda Sykes said that she was traumatized. Different experience. Oh, yeah, because she was there. Yeah, it's true. You know how chaotic it probably was behind the scenes? Hey, I'm not mad at it either. I'm not traumatized or trigger.

I'm not traumatized or trigger. Yeah. But who knows what they went through? behind the scenes. Plus, you know what? I think being, being, I don't think I'm traumatized by violence that way. The most violent thing I've seen recently happen on the basketball court.

Like one of my niggas got knocked out on the basketball court. Pop, pop, pop, 2016, 2015, boom. He's kind of a bully on the basketball court. Everybody knows what happened. L.A. Fitness, Hollywood, 2015. Everybody who hoops there knows what happened. going back and forth this guy

and the human body is such an amazing thing walks up runs up on this guy bang! Like just and just you just turned his lights out

he just crumbled to the ground I was at half court I was like god damn that nigga just got knocked out crazy so I walked over and I'm like

standing him up I'm like yeah bro stand up bro there's actually no sit down it's like what happened I'm like bro did your jaw hurt nigga

did your jaw hurt he's like yeah my shit banging I'm like yeah the nigga just knocked you the fuck out. It's like, he's like, he just, just knocked you out, bro. You walked up on him and hit you hard. It's like, where he at? I'm like, he's gone. You were just unconscious. Why don't you sit your ass down? You know, you big jaw, you know, but it had to happen because,

you know, kind of a bully on the basketball court. We all knew that it had to happen. So, like, that didn't traumatize me. Matter of fact, it was slightly humorous. So, like, it, like, I've seen this before. I'm not traumatized by it. Like, I've seen this happen by it either. Maybe if it would have happened to me, I would have been more embarrassed than anything. But no, like for us, it's not traumatizing. Oh. So this is the interesting thing about the fallout from an event like this. Other people get their asses kicked.

And I'm going to be honest with you. I can make an argument that neither Will Smith or Chris Rock got their ass kicked on Twitter. as bad as Zoe Kravitz did. Zoe Kravitz got her motherfucking ass lit up. Did you not see this? Zoe Kravitz went on their Instagram.

And remember we've, as a culture, been praising Zoe Kravitz for her beauty for the last, I don't know what. Her beauty and her performance, yes. Yes, she's great. She's a great actress.

You're a great actress. And she posted on her Instagram, a picture of her. And the pictures said that, you know, this is her dress or whatever. And it said something like at the end of it that apparently the show where we are assaulting people on stage and screaming obscenities. She fucking gave it to Will Smith. And they gave it to her. When I said gave it to her, Zoe Kravitz went from being the coolest. smartest, most beautiful celebrity out there to a sexual predator overnight.

They drug, when I say they, I mean, it was receipts on receipts on receipts. They drug the shit out of her. People brought up an interview to where she said that, this is what she said, 2013 V Magazine interview. She said, there was moments when I was hanging out with Jayden and thinking, I can't believe you're 14. I have to check myself, like what I say to you. She said, he has so much personality,

so much swag, he's so much cool than I am. He's so handsome. I was always like, when you're older, you know, we'll hang out. No, that's inappropriate. You're 14. All right.

So they brought all this shit up now. They brought up shit that she had said, but I didn't even know she had said. She said she's not a black artist. She's just an artist. Oh, I always saw the Jaden Smith stuff. Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh.

I'm trying to look. I did not. I only saw the Jaden Smith thing. She says one where she says, she says she put up a picture of this mural that said, I'm not a black artist. I'm just an artist. And then she had a caption where she's like,

I'm going to drink a black beverage and go to the black store, do the black this and the black that and the black this. She's trying to make a point that she's more than black. Were they fair to her? I mean, what do they fair to her? I don't know. Was it fair to drag Zoe Kravitz over what she put out there?

Was that fair? Was that a dragable offense? Well, it's hard to answer that question in that way. I mean, anything you put out for public consumption is fair game, right? Like, it's out there. It's public. So is it fair? I mean, sure, it's fair.

You said it. They're bringing it back to the public's attention. I think that it's without rehashing how I feel about the whole incident. I guess I'm a little shocked that people wanted to dig up or were holding onto these receipts in regards to Zoe Kravitz over this incident, which to me seems pretty much like, listen, what he did was wrong. It doesn't take away maybe from the why he did it, but the what was wrong, right? Like how he went about this whole thing was wrong. Why are we now trying to tear down, sorry Zoe, this black woman. Why are we doing that? Why is it so easy to do that? Why is it so easy? Why are people just like jumping at the opportunity to bring down a woman, a black woman? To me, that doesn't seem right. Right? She's voicing her opinion. Several celebrities have. She was there at the Oscars. She saw what we saw in person. We have both talked about the fact that we think we voiced our opinion on it. I just don't

understand why that gives you the right to say or the motive to be like, you know what, now I want to tear her down. I don't think that's necessarily cool. We should say it wasn't just her. Everyone who came across

with an opinion on the thing, black Twitter, large parts of black Twitter lit their asses the fuck up. Who else did you see other than Jim Carrey? Jim Carrey got lit up. They got all over Nicole Hannah Jones's ass.

They did? Yes. They got all over Nicole. Hanna. They brought up Jim Kier. They brought up everyone. All I saw was tweets. This you. This you. This you. This you. The receipt bin is overflowing with Black Twitter. There's got to be three people in charge of this. I'm not going to lie. They've got to be three people in charge of this. There's got to be three people. It can't be. They've got to be three people. It can't be. they've got to be three people who are in charge of the receipts. I want to know who the people who are in charge of receipts are. So I can keep staying on their good side.

Just giving it to them. And let me tell you why this happened. Let me tell you why this is happening. I'll tell you why this is happening. I know why this is happening. I know why. Why? Because it's happening because we get annoyed by the overaggressive billification of shit.

We get annoyed. All right. We get annoyed when people like Jud Appetal go, you could have killed them. We get annoyed when people over, we get there was bad. See, the reason I tweeted this, the reason why we don't trust,

we don't trust white America to weigh in on these things because, like, they go too far. It's like, yes, it was bad. But, like, thug and I'm shocked and traumatized, and I'm not going to be able to go to sleep. And this is the worst.

that and I can't believe and making it seem like it was this great crime against humanity that's kind of what happens you're right here comes Rachel let's get it to it Rach, let's get to it and they always they always OD

they always OD and then that makes us go or at least me I'm going to speak for myself that was that makes us go fucking he didn't do it fucking because we can't trust you guys to to dole out the same. People put

this out there. Jedapitow didn't do James Franco like that. When Busy Phillips said that James Franco was all over her on the set of free to geeks that shit, he wasn't sickened and shocked by that shit. They were around that guy for years. Nobody was sicken and shocked by that. They're sicken and shocked by Will Smith. I'm not saying that

things are a one-to-one and I'm not at any... What I'm saying is people get frustrated by the fact that like, it's like they wait for us to fuck up. This has been said so brilliantly by Orlando Jones on American Gods.

He said, by the way, you fucked over Orlando Jones on American Gods stars. You fucked them over. But brilliantly said by Orlando Jones on American gods. When a white person fucks up, sometimes America looks at it as a good person

doing a bad thing. When a black person fucks up, America looks at it as you're showing us who you really were all the time. and that feeling is baked into a lot of people sometimes. And so when they see that, they just want you to remember, hey, you're a fucked up person too. And I'm not saying it's right what they did to Zoe Kravitz,

but I'm saying a lot of people feel like they're trying to maintain some sort of semblance of order on this whole thing and not just, you know, whatever. Listen, I get the sentiment of we constantly feel like we are always being attacked or people are always looking for an excuse to be like, I told you so when it comes to black folks. I understand that. To me, that's not, if you're doing that in this situation, I don't quite understand it.

I understand being on the defense. I understand being like, you know what? It's very similar to what happened with OJ. We were like, you know what? You ain't about to take down one of our own. I understand that with Will. guess maybe it's taken away from social media. Let's just take the celebrity reactions. The celebrity reaction isn't necessarily that I have seen that Will is this terrible person

and we need to cancel him and this is who we knew he was all along. It seems to be just attacking that moment in what happened and that incident that it was wrong. I'm not going to sit here and speak for people who may have been triggered by seeing a slap on TV because they've experienced it in their own personal life. It didn't trigger me. It didn't traumatize me. I was just like, oh, my gosh, does that this happen? But for somebody I know that it's experienced that,

for them to just be thinking they're watching one thing and to see that, it ignited something in them. I'm not going to take that away from them. But what for the- If that kind of fucked, like, no, it could have been anybody. Really? You're like, yes, yes, all right.

Yes. I'm sorry. I'm doing it again. Really, you're traumatized. I'm not. I know not you. I always want to tell those people to toughen the fuck up, man. No, that's not.

That's just because you might have been through worse shit in your life doesn't mean the worst thing that has happened to somebody else is not the worst thing that's happened to them. So I'm not going to take that away from them. Just because it didn't move me in that way doesn't mean it really didn't affect somebody else. When they're thinking they're watching one thing and then they're watching this. And maybe it's because of it. of who it was by, right?

I don't know. So I guess I'm not going to take away from that. But I also don't see this. There is some dramatization of it, but I'm not seeing this dramatization of from Hollywood and correct me if I'm wrong of people saying, we always knew Will Smith was like that. They are kind of OD in a little bit.

I'm not going to lie. I'm not, am I seeing people talk about it a lot? Absolutely. Did I start off this podcast saying, I'm tired of talking about the situation? absolutely. But I'm not seeing, I'm seeing people talk about the incident and that it was wrong, which I think both of us agree that it is. But I think that you can't talk about this conversation without going into how somebody else could understand what happened in a different way,

which we did in a great way on the last podcast. But what's wrong is wrong. It was wrong for him to do what he did in the way that he did it. I'm not addressing the why. I'm not addressing the why. I just... That's a totally different situation. And I just don't understand people being so motivated in wanting to tear somebody else down just because they called an action wrong. Right.

So now I'm going to go attack you. I know. And you're not, you're not wrong, right? Ezra Miller, the Flash, the guy who plays a Flash, was arrested for disorderly conduct, walked up on the stage, snatched a mic out of a girl's hand or something, a person's hand. He also has been on tape before, like hitting a woman in a restaurant, right? Shia LeBuff goes nuts on the, on a beat somebody up.

Fucking the guy from, what's the guy's name? From, from the kid's name from Wild and Alpha Dog. Help me. Help me, Donnie. He started Wild. He was an Alpha Dog. He was just in once upon a time. Emil Hurst.

Emil Hurst. beat the dog shit beat the dog shit out of a woman at Sundance in 2015 for no reason an executive walked up to her beat her unconscious right like Tommy Lee

six months in jail for beating all Pamela Anderson just like and it's like we get it it's all bad and I'm not making excuses for anyone but what I'm saying is it sometimes don't seem like they sickened when it happens from people inside their community. No, that's a hundred.

We know that. So that's why people are trying to, I don't know. But it also, it's like, no, no, no, no. You're right. And I'm not disagreeing with you. They obviously give more leniency to their people than they do for us, almost as if it's innately within us, okay? But Will Smith did it on an international stage online.

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I saw our old friend, Tamika Hamilton. She was on the old Twitter She tweeted Yeah Yeah, move on She said she Yeah She said some stuff

Yeah I don't know It feels like It feels like it feels like It feels like Tamika's She feels like She's turning full

I don't know man I don't want to be mean She sounds the same to me Her tweet was completely not sessical it was like dude it was like good for bluster

but bad for any sort of actual intellectual thought but I don't want to say that to her and Tamika you come back on I know the law audience loved you so much the first time we had you so yeah come back on

yeah they loved you that's probably the favorite guess we ever had it's Tamika Hamilton I think they loved her thoughtlers loved her especially to Reddit on a Reddit on a Reddit

have you been on the radio lately what's going on over on the Reddit. I actually haven't. You haven't been on there? Can't tell you what's happening. You're not fucking with them. Be honest. No, no. I'm not you. Don't try to turn me into you.

All right. I think it's time for mailback. Let's do it. We've gone through the, Donnie, you know, you know what Donnie, just just bring it. You know, just fucking do your thing, Donnie. Mailback time. Time to read

your letters and then we'll reply to them. Oh, it's mailback time. Write us with your queries and we'll chime in. All right. I appreciate the permission. Haisal eyed band. Damn. Sorry. Hazel I Banded 11 on Reddit wants to know. Van. Can you give us an update on your friend that saw his dad out with another woman? I just forgot about that. Okay. So number one, Donnie, I just want to make sure you reason. That's not hazel-eye bandit.

That's hazel-eyed bandit. Hazel-eyed bandit. No, not hazel-I-D-Band-D. It's hazel-eyed bandit. Like, you know how Eric Sermit? It's so terrible at your job. You know how Eric Sermon calls himself the green-eyed bandit? The green-eyed bandit?

The green-eyed bandit can't stand it. You know what I get it. I get it. She's, this person has hazel-ey-wise. Hazel-Ey bandit 11. And you said, Hazel-Ey-Ly-Band-Dy. Let me look at it.

I'm definitely right. I'm certainly right. Donnie, Donnie, Donnie, come on, Donnie. Donnie, come on, Donnie. It's clear as day. Donnie, what are you doing, bro? What the hell is Donnie doing? Not his job.

Jesus Christ. Donnie. Can you give us an update on your friend? That's all I got out with that. Yes, I can. And it was all bad. So he told. Yes.

Mom? No. Dad told mom? No, siblings. And the siblings told them. There's a civil war now. No, siblings haven't told yet. There's a civil war now between the siblings about whether or not they should tell.

Oh, my gosh. Okay, first of all, Thought Warrior Hazelide Bandit. great question, totally forgot about the story. And it sounds like in a month or two, we're going to need another update. Yes. I actually forgot about it. But it was brought up. So the siblings now are fighting, not just the siblings, but other people. It seems like almost everybody knows now except for the mom. It's not going to hold. They're going to have to tell. Is he continuing? I got too much of my dad in me. Once it starts gets to people's business that can lead and

hurt feelings, I opt out. All right. Next one. Next one, Donnie. Try to get the name right. Son of them. This was easier. Mother of Teddy on Reddit. If the internet and all forms of media vanish tomorrow, what would Rachel and Van do to make a living? I'd go back to practicing law. Yeah, I would be in your fucking living room.

That's where I would be at. Or some real shit. Blocking. Sounds like I'd be. I'll be representing you. That's what exactly. We'd still be cool. Because Rachel, like Rachel, I would be coming in.

I'd have my hand in cuffs. Rachel would hand me a file. Like, man, this is what you're looking at. I'm like, there's nothing we could do about that. You know what I'm saying? And we'd have great little podcasts across the table. It'd be great. Yeah, we'd have all kinds of talks.

And they'd be like, ma'am, ma'am, your law license is expired. You can no longer. It's not. It's not. I don't know what I would be doing. Probably, I have no clue. I really don't know. I don't.

Come work for me. Yeah, I'd work for Rachel. I'll be Rachel's private. an investigator. Me and copper would be on the case. All right, next one. All right, Tina TX3 on Reddit, ask what's the most

embarrassing thing your parents caught you doing as a child slash teenager? I know you have a good story. I don't. Oh, really? Like, the most embarrassing thing, it wasn't even embarrassing. It's like my parents caught me in a lie or something like that. Like, I was at

some dude's house that I wasn't supposed to be. I have no embarrassing story. Right. Jacking off to the Jan Jackson. I knew it. No, no, no. Can I guess which video? Can I guess which video?

Guess which video? They called me Jan Jackson video. Wait, did they both catch you? Just my dad. Just my dad. Guess which video you called me? I'm going to guess the video and then I want to know what his reaction was. Okay.

Guessing video. That's the way love goes? No. It's not that way. No, it's not the, oh, no. wait a minute no no no it's not it wasn't that's the way love goes it wasn't

it wasn't that's the way it loves what is a slow song or a fast song it was like a mid-tip-o joint if no wasn't it okay because that's too fast right so

so it was one called you want this you want this early year I would not I guess that was. So this is the only time I think this has ever happened to me. But so I was waiting for the video come on to make love to the video. And I remember I heard my dad coming up the block.

And the video, they were like, when the commercial break comes back, you want this Janjax. I'm like, fuck. why couldn't he be gone for 10 more minutes? You know what I mean? Were you in your bedroom or the living room? Oh my gosh. I was in the living room. And so,

and so I was like, and so, you know, he's coming down a block, whatever, and then they come back from commercial. I'm like, oh shit,

I got time. So I figured I would have time because when the, I remember this clear as day as it was yesterday, because the truck would drive up. I could hear the truck cut off. and I knew that there was going to be about a minute, two minutes, two and a half minutes from the time that the truck cut off, he got out, walked around, came through the side door, walked through the side thing, through the lip, up to the thing, and then pass the living room.

I was like, I got plenty of time. For whatever reason, either I was too into what I was doing. That's it. Or, or he fucking teleported from getting out of his. his truck to the opening where he could see me. Either that or that. But I swear to God, it just happened. Boom.

And he looked at me. He just stood there. He was like, well, I guess you to that age. And then he walked around and he looked at the TV. And when he walked and looked at the TV, the video had gone off and Miss Cleo from, you think I'm lying? It's true. And Miss Cleo. The commercial was on.

My daddy was like, boy, what you were looking at though? And I'm like, what? And then all of a sudden, he was, he was looking at me and this weird moment where we both paused. And then he realized what was going on and he got angry. He was like, what if your mama would have been walking her through here? Don't you show your dick in my house? That's what his words were. Don't you show your dick in my house.

Boy, boy, what's that? Put that. back in your pants, boy. Now sit your ass down. But he didn't even go in the room. I didn't hear from him for the rest of the night. We never talked about it. So that's the kind of things that would happen

with me and we never talked about it. See, what should have happened there? Love you, Dad. What should have happened was come back out. Son, let's talk about when and where you can jack off and all of that stuff. He didn't know how to talk to you. Never talked about it.

Yeah. We never discussed it. That generation didn't. You know, no fault to him. That's just not how they were raised. Oh, wrong. My sister called me one time, too. but it was her fault she walked into her

she walked into her and that was to the insert to the Foxy Brown album so she had a pictorial Oh my God you were holding a picture It was on the bed So it was like the insert of the Foxy Brown album

She'll Ebony Ebony's gonna hear this and she's gonna remember this because it's like she saw the insert You know you get you buy the CD I only bought the CD for the pictures to be honest with you It was like that's Foxy Brown little Kim it's like they had sexy pictures, whatever

Wow, I'm a little embarrassed. All right, next. Yeah. Last one. That's tough. It's tough to follow. What should be illegal but isn't? From Demer Samantra on Reddit, Demer Samantra.

What should be illegal, but is it? Turtlenecks and chains. Turtlenex and chains is a good answer. We'll just go with what we had talked about on the pie. Yeah. It's not a cute look, guys. You don't think so? Turned neck.

Do you do it? No. Are you a turtleneck fan? You like a guy in the turtleneck? It doesn't bother me. It doesn't move me, but it doesn't bother me. So like a, like, what's your favorite genre of man? Like your favorite, man in uniform, man in suit.

I like a suit. A suit's nice. Man in fantasy suite. Like, he's like, you know. Whoa. Hey. Are you speaking, before we get off, Mailback, are you watching Batch?

No. Are you watching Batchel? No Batch? Nope. Haven't watched it a while. I don't think it's, since Matt James's season. Really?

Who's on Batch right now? Is Batch currently Batch? They have two Bacheloretts at the same time. Two Bachelors at the same time. Yeah. They come on different days? No, they're going to be finding love together at the same time. Like, I know enough without watching it,

especially because Brian still does a podcast. but basically the guy the girl this girl he wanted I guess didn't want him back and that's who he wanted so he sent the other two girls home so the show is like

we're going to help these other two girls find love and we're going to have two bacheloretts at the same time I have like I have a question we've talked about batch as far as when they're going to get black batch when do you ever think they're going to go

gay on batch. Well, I mean, I guess they did. There was a D.L. Bachelor. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about when there'll be like, if there's like a bisexual bachelor or a bachelorette, they'll have like. I don't know, but they need to.

I think that that would be fantastic. Now, if you're familiar with their fan base at all, they might not like it. But I think if you're trying to draw in a younger audience, a new audience, would be well received. I would love to see a gay bachelor. Or a bachelorette.

Or a bachelorette. Yeah. Shot at love. Or just like not even calling it either one. Right. All right. Do you have, that's it for mailback.

That's it. Donnie's mailback grade. I'm going to start grading Donnie on every mailback that he does. Mailback grade for Donnie, D. D minus. Okay. That's extreme. Donning, it was a solid B minus.

B minus D is a D. So you have to receive. Did you hear how much he cared in his voice? Yeah. I do better. Thanks Thursday. Donnie, you know what? No, Donnie, me and you have to record another podcast tomorrow.

And I hope that you are better than you are now because it's not working out. I got to catch up. I'm behind on Atlanta. Yeah, well, catch up on it, Donnie. You're behind all that Atlanta. What is this, prestige? Yes, prestige podcast, prestige TV podcast on Atlanta. Me and Donnie have to do it with Rimbledt Brown.

I bet you're not behind it with Seinfeld, race trader. Anyway, do you have to... No, I do not have an unexpected ally of the week. I mean, I guess it could be Bruce. I love Seinfeld. Bruce Who? Bruce Ariens. Oh, Bruce Ariens.

Yeah, I don't expect the ally of the week. Although it is expected from me. Yeah, I guess so. All right. As the slap turns, I'm really going to be fucking turning off my brain to all slap-related content. We gave you a lot of that was one of our best

podcast on the slap on Tuesday. And we delved more into it today. So I'm over it. Until I just got word that Will Smith and Jada are, of course, going to do Red Table Talk. Come on. We have to come to a red table talk. No, I'm not, I'm not interested.

It's in a controlled space. It's the two of them. I don't like that. That's not what I want to hear. Let me know what Chris Rock is ready to speak. Well, he has spoken a little bit. He went on stage and he said he's not here. He hasn't processed it quite yet, so he did say something.

And he said, when he does, it'll be serious and funny. That's what I want to hear. I'm not trying to listen to Red Table Talk so they can profit off of this. Red Table Talk, Talk, Ta, Talk, Thet, Thack. I have a new Red Table Talk theme song. Ready? Let's go. One, two.

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We talk, dark, dark, red table talk. Enough. I know I talked about it before and I said this wasn't true, but I now feel traumatized and triggered. Please end the podcast. Okay. Take your big cap's off. But do not stop learning. I am Van Lathen Jr.

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